HEATED DEBATE With California Boss Babe Feminists?! Andrew Wilson! Goth Dating?! | Dating Talk #215
Date: 2024-11-25
Duration: 9h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Lexi(guest)
SPEAKER_03Anka(guest)
SPEAKER_04Tiffany(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ellen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Gianna(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_12Pa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Chloe(guest)
SPEAKER_14Cena(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:14
IntroBrian Atlas opens the show with announcements: BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit, WoW guild on Nightslayer realm, Molten Core raid Dec 12.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:03:20
IntroGianna introduces herself: 18, LA, model, studying psychology online at City College.
“hi I'm gaana I'm from Los Angeles I'm 18 and I'm a model”
00:03:51
IntroCena introduces herself: 18, Canada (Montreal), does OnlyFans, studying engineering. Brian notes she's a returning guest.
“hi I'm Cena I'm 18 my occupation I do only fan and I'm in school for engineering”
00:09:09
IntroChloe introduces herself: 20, lives in South Korea (only here temporarily), model and dancer, studied psychology in university.
“my name is yoa I'm 20 years old I live down in Korea so I actually I'm only here temporarily”
00:13:13
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, political analyst.
“my name is uh Andrew Wilson I'm the host of the Cru Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm political analyst”
00:32:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she's never officially been in a relationship, has a graveyard in her phone (changes exes to tombstones). Reveals her 4-year non-relationship was toxic/abusive. He cheated with her best friend while she was pregnant. She put water in his gas tank. Has a 3-year-old son.
“I have like a graveyard in my phone I don't know if anyone's seen that like once you're gone like you get three tombstones”
00:41:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she has had 2 abortions, was supposed to get a third but the ex never took her to the appointment (Missouri, abortion was illegal). Son's father told her if something happened to their son (who had a heart murmur) it was 'on my watch.' No child support, no contact.
“I wasn't supposed to I was supposed to get an abortion um oh and it didn't happen so”
00:51:00
Key MomentPa reveals her ankle injury: occurred during an upside-down 69 position (standing 69 → straddle handstand) with her 7-year situationship guy. Tripped over nightstand. Tells her boss a different story (tripped over a curb).
“he was just grabbing me me off from the bed um and because of I guess the like amount of drinks that we've had”
00:54:42
Key MomentChloe reveals she has Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, is blind in her left eye, went to hospital after sex ruptured an ovarian cyst. Graduated high school at 14.
“I'm tiny and um I'm like barely 53 and I have a genetic disorder”
01:09:00
QuoteTiffany on men liking submissive women: 'I don't think they have to but they usually do — men like to provide.' She also argues from 'Why Men Love Bitches' that overly submissive women bore men and men cheat. Andrew disagrees strongly.
“I think men should pay okay um I think I don't think they have to but they usually do”
01:31:20
Key MomentDebate: Zuckerberg (Facebook/Instagram) vs Tim Stokely (OnlyFans) — who caused more harm? Andrew: definitely OnlyFans, produces nothing good, creates parasocial relationships with lonely men. Alyssa and Cena defend OnlyFans. Most guests say Facebook.
“definitely only fans has done more damage”
01:51:40
QuotePa on having a party where she invited all 7 men she'd slept with and made them all wear pink to identify them — without them knowing.
“I only invited seven wait so seven dude was there an orgy afterwards”
02:00:00
ControversyChloe claims she witnessed two friends get shot by police in Jennings, MO at age 13 during Fight Club roughhousing. Andrew challenges the story vigorously, offers $500 for proof, says it would have been national news. Brian says Jennings is rough and takes her word.
“I have seen probably two people with my own eyes but then I have seen in passing as in like heard from everyone”
02:33:20
Key MomentPa's 7-year situationship guy confessed 'I think I'm in love with you' while they were together (he was drunk). She said 'ask me sober' — he hasn't. He then dropped off a book for her the morning of the show.
“he literally just whispered I think I like he said I think I'm in love with you”
03:04:50
Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Guests rate themselves 1-10. Gianna: 9. Cena: 8. Lexi: 7.5. Pa: 6.9-7.2. Chloe: 8. Ellen: 7. Anka: refused. Alyssa: 8.5. Tiffany: 8. Andrew: 10 (non-objective confidence). Discord sends AI-aged forward photos of each guest.
“go ahead I would say a decent 8.7 nine maybe I'll say nine”
03:37:42
Key MomentRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) joins via Discord. Delivers detailed argument for homeschooling, stay-at-home motherhood, and birth rate concerns. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good; all said yes. Then asks if staying home is a privilege; all said yes. Rachel points out the contradiction. Asks who would choose babies over career if humanity died out otherwise.
“hello ladies hey Brian thanks for having me on”
04:11:10
QuoteAnka's most quotable moment: 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, it's a fair trade-off.' (Later partially walked back.)
“so if it was like the man's going to me... I'd rather choose being mauled”
04:31:40
Key MomentBow video segment: Brian plays video of ex-girlfriend bowing and cooking dinner. Goes around table asking who would bow for their man. Only Tiffany semi-concedes. Brian argues bow takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
“boom huge bow huge bow and then you know she scampers to get the laundry done after”
05:09:00
ControversyAnka says 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, that's a fair trade-off' during Rachel's career-vs-babies hypothetical. Chat erupts. Ogle donates saying she's 'disqualified herself from any future partner live on air.' Anka later clarifies she was partly trolling/rage-baiting.
“if it was like oh whatever I do says you know then Humanity's off but like I mean I'm doing what I want to do”
05:17:20
ControversyAnka estimates 50% of men in a forest and 40% of men alone in a room would assault her. Brian challenges the math (66 million American men). Andrew asks if she'd choose assured death over a random man in the forest — she says yes. Extended bear vs man vs velociraptor vs T-rex debate.
“I would say like in the forest if we're talking about just in the forest it's a 50/50”
06:02:21
Key MomentTrans debate: is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Gianna, Anka say yes (straight regardless of surgery). Andrew and Brian argue two males having sex is homosexual by definition. Chloe nuanced (depends on surgery/genuine attraction). Brian sarcastically asks guests to 'affirm his identity' as being correct.
“so just to be clear uh would you guys agree that uh homosexual means same sex”
08:00:00
ControversyAt end of show, Chloe admits she was partly rage-baiting during the show after realizing it was political/debate-oriented rather than a light dating show. Says roughly half her extreme positions were genuine and half were trolling.
“I made a decision when I was going to come on here that if this is one of those rage bait more so political ones then I was just going to act just as rage baity”
Topics Discussed
00:03:20
Introductions & Relationship Status
Guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Round of relationship statuses including Chloe's Korea story, Pa's 7-year situationship, Alyssa's abusive ex and child, Tiffany's long-distance relationship. Also covers Pa's ankle injury (sexual stunt).
00:51:00
Sex-Related Injuries & Health Stories
Pa's ankle fracture from upside-down-69 stunt. Chloe's ovarian cyst from sex (Ehlers-Danlos syndrome). Discussion of EDS symptoms.
00:56:10
Men Losing Weight / Loose Skin
TTS question about a man who lost 360lbs with loose skin — would guests date him? Mixed answers; Chloe says she wouldn't due to fear of them regaining weight.
00:59:55
Chloe's Korea Life & Family Background
Chloe discusses living in South Korea, her unusual family (mom on 5th husband, 23 siblings), why she can't date white men, debate with Andrew about sibship/dating logic.
01:13:20
Feminist Identity & Core Values
Do guests identify as feminist? Andrew's definition (egalitarianism). What are guests' core values? What do they bring to the table? Discussion of ideal man attributes.
01:24:20
OnlyFans vs Facebook — Societal Harm
TTS question: has Mark Zuckerberg or Tim Stokely (OnlyFans founder) done more harm? Andrew argues OnlyFans produces nothing good; Cena defends OnlyFans as helping lonely men.
02:43:00
Democracy vs Abortion & Political Questions
Would you support a bill tying abortion rights to military draft eligibility? Who's pro-life vs pro-choice? Would you choose democracy or abortion rights? Most chose democracy. Chloe says she doesn't like the US democracy.
03:04:50
Self-Ratings & Aging Attractiveness
Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Discussion of whether they'll be more attractive in 10/20/30 years. AI aging forward images shown. Self-ratings: Gianna 9, Cena 8, Lexi 7.5, Alyssa 8.5, Tiffany 8, Pa 6.9-7.2, Chloe 8, Andrew 10 (joke), Ellen 7.
03:37:42
Rachel Wilson on Homeschooling & Feminism
Andrew's wife Rachel Wilson calls in. Advocates homeschooling as superior (Tucker Carlson appearance). Argues feminism has led to birth rate collapse. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good, and if staying home is privilege. Heated exchange with Anka about career vs motherhood duty. Rachel argues society is unsustainable if women don't have children.
04:22:00
Who Should Pay on the First Date / Bow Video
Brian plays bow video of ex-girlfriend. Would guests bow for their man? None (except Tiffany conditionally). Debate about first-date paying norms — most expect men to pay. Brian's argument: bowing takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
05:09:00
Abortion, Women's Rights, Child Support
Do women have equal rights to men? Anka argues abortion is the one area of inequity. Brian points out men have zero reproductive rights. Debate: can a man legally avoid child support? Should taxpayers pay? Andrew's body-our-choice vs responsibility argument. Extended back-and-forth.
05:17:20
Man vs Bear Question
Would you rather encounter a random man or random bear alone in a forest? Chloe, Ellen, Alyssa, Anka chose bear. Gianna, Cena, Lexi, Pa, Tiffany chose man. Anka estimates 40% of men would assault her. Extended Velociraptor/T-Rex variants. Debate about whether bear-preference is sexist.
06:02:21
Trans Identity Debate
Is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Most guests say yes (pre-op too). Brian and Andrew argue biologically two males having sex is homosexual. Chloe most nuanced; says depends on surgery and genuine attraction. Guests define "what is a woman." Extended philosophical debate with Andrew about self-ID logic.
07:59:00
Body Count Discussion
Is it hypocritical for a high-body-count man to require a low-body-count woman? Chloe says yes. Brian disagrees — asymmetrical attraction is not hypocrisy. Body count round: Gianna 0-5, Cena 3, Lexi 2, Pa 50-60, Chloe under 5, Ellen very low (0-3), Alyssa 100+ (stopped counting), Tiffany 0 (virgin), Anka declined.
08:00:00
Roast Session & Wrap-Up
TTS roast session at $20 threshold. Roasts directed at each chair. Chloe admits she was rage-baiting some answers when she realized the show was political. Final body count round. Brian thanks panelists. Wrap-up and raid.
Transcript
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06:30:51
Andrew Wilsonyeah oh you [ __ ] [ __ ] as [Laughter] [ __ ] oh uh dumb as a box of no but I'm not going to insult rocks like that
06:31:03
Brian Atlasdon't don't okay all right um here I'll finish up on this then going around the table the question was um is a man giving oral sex to a transgender woman with a penis
06:31:14
Brian Atlasis that heterosexual or homosexual Lexi I have no opinion on this come on you've got an opinion no I don't I'm not a man so it what do you mean okay okay here uh a lesbian woman
06:31:25
Brian Atlasbeing penetrated by a transgender woman with a penis is that heterosexual or homosexual I still don't have an opinion on this that's my answer I'm sorry okay a straight
06:31:37
Brian Atlaswoman scissoring with a transgender man is that heterosexual or homosexual I don't even think I'm following along
06:31:46
Brian Atlaswith where you are right now all right clearly um Cena what about you omo
06:31:57
Brian Atlashuho all right uh GI what about you a man giving oral sex to a transgender woman with a penis is that heterosexual or homosexual hetero that's straight okay uh and then really quick I guess
06:32:09
Brian Atlasone more followup a man having penetrate of anal sex with a transgender woman is
06:32:15
Brian Atlasthat heterosexual or homosexual hetero Cena I don't know Lexi are you what just you you're
06:32:27
Brian AtlasCatholic right okay PA oh well yeah well you didn't have anything on this same opinion
06:32:36
Brian Atlasheterosexual for a man to be having uh as in it depends for for a man to be having penetrative anal sex with a
06:32:46
Chloetransgender woman is heterosexual depends moving on what about youing my opinion which is
06:32:56
Ankawhat which is into the mic which is that if you're one gender and someone presents as opposite gender whatever act you do with them will be
06:33:07
Brian Atlasheterosexual I'm just okay look straight is short form slaying for heterosexual I so I don't know how these acts could ever be heterosexual if it's two males
06:33:17
Brian Atlasengaging in the sexual act um this is a really novel position I perhaps you guys want to be politically correct even transgender activists activists don't
06:33:29
Brian Atlashold this position I know you guys are trying to be woke and politically correct even transgender activists don't hold this position I don't know why you
06:33:39
Brian Atlasguys have dug your heels in so far on this in any case um you guys don't believe in
06:33:51
Brian Atlasscience that's all I have to say I mean you guys just outright reject science yeah we have to correct you're literally science rejectors science deniers you're science deniers
06:34:03
Brian AtlasI I don't know how else to say it like biology is this is not up for negotiation you cannot change your
06:34:14
Brian Atlassex if two males are having sex it is homosexual it cannot be heterosexual it cannot be straight and in fact as a straight male I find it offensive that
06:34:25
Brian Atlasyou guys are essentially attacking my sexuality how the turntables have turned how the tables the turntables turnes how the turntables have turned no but it is
06:34:38
Brian Atlasinteresting tur tables are turning as they turn like if I were to say to like a man who's gay I was like no you're not gay you're actually straight you'd guys be like whoa that's
06:34:50
Brian Atlaslike that's like a uh gay conversion therapy that's totally unethical but like for you guys to sit here and tell me a straight man that you're questioning my sexuality and you're saying that a sex act between
06:35:02
Brian Atlastwo males is straight you're attacking my sexuality and I find it deeply offensive wait I have a question in fact furthermore hold hold on Tiffany he's
06:35:12
Brian Atlashe's on a roll hold on I want to add that because all of you believe that this all comes down to ID I hold on I choose to identify as the correct person
06:35:24
Brian Atlason this matter and I wish for all of you to affirm my identity as correct on this matter and all matters moving forward please affirm my identity you want me to just I want you to affirm
06:35:36
Brian Atlasmy identity as being correct on this matter and that you were wrong that's my identity um go ahead affirm it I'll say your identity is
06:35:46
Brian Atlasaffirmed okay thank you do you affirm my identity Cena affirmed thank you for affirming Lexi do you affirm my identity I think I don't know it would be bigoted for you not to affirm my
06:35:57
Brian Atlasidentity past you for my identity are straight the most not as a straight man I don't want you affirm my identity as a straight man I want you to affirm my identity as the correct person on this
06:36:09
Brian Atlasmatter okay yes thank you for affirming Chloe do you affirm my identity wow that is a bigot right there Ellen do you affirm my identity as the correct person on this
06:36:21
Andrew Wilsonmatter I just don't really have an opinion on this oh my god do you do you affirm my identity do you affirm his identity that you can't have a uh or not have an opinion on this do you affirm
06:36:33
Ellenthat identity do you affirm my identity I would just prefer not to speak on this topic do you believe in science I believe in science can you tell us a scientific
06:36:48
Ellenmethod does the seven scientific me like like that yeah yeah just the scientific method yeah I can't list it off for you right now okay wait I have a question go ahead
06:37:00
TiffanyTiffany what if you were to have sex with a trans man would that be gay no yes no it wouldn't yes no well no no a man I thought she said a man she said no
06:37:12
Brian Atlasshe said trans so it's a female oh yeah yeah it's a female no it wouldn't be gay but it would not be it just be like having sex with a Butch chick it'd be like having
06:37:23
Brian Atlasyeah I guess so yeah how how about this would I prefer having sex with a transom or a trans man what what do you think about that one that's a good question
06:37:32
Andrew Wilsonanswer it yeah trans man well hold on I think if you have sex anybody who says that they're trans you're gay that's my
06:37:41
Andrew Wilsontake uh that's fair that's actually kind of fair but like so here's my reasoning they're all part of the lgbtq right that's what they say so then necessarily
06:37:52
Brian Atlaswouldn't they be gay the Hulk Hogan argument like Hulk Hulk Hogan with a vagina or Megan Fox with a penis yeah I mean you got if it's
06:38:03
Brian Atlasbetween trans man trans woman i' he'd pick the trans man you just anyways okay [ __ ] it whatever moving on oh final thing on this uh going around the table just because I feel like it's important uh what is a
06:38:14
Brian Atlaswoman um a female oh wait a woman is is that aale a woman is a female yeah oh you
06:38:26
Brian Atlassimple okay a female creature a creature okay can you come come back to me sure what is a woman pause
06:38:40
Brian Atlasum how would I describe it um like feminine okay what is a woman a woman is a woman uh try to I mean typically in the dictionary you would not like a cat I'm
06:38:52
Brian Atlasnot the dictionary huh I'm not the dictionary okay but so what is a woman though a woman try to try to Define woman without using the word woman I don't want to
06:39:04
Ellenwhy why can't you cuz I don't have to well you don't have to but Ellen like an older more mature
06:39:14
Ellengirl wait so an adult human female an older or more mature girl it's just like a later stage in
06:39:24
Andrew Wilsonlife which sex do they belong to but you asked me to give you the definition which I gave you right but I'm asking for that's that's true to be
06:39:35
Andrew Wilsonfair to you that is true you did you did uh give a definition but when you give a definition usually you're you're going after you're pointing to some kind of information which tells us what the
06:39:46
Ellenthing is so if you say a woman is a girl right we ask you well then what is a girl I answered the previous question I
06:39:55
Ankawould like to leave it at that oh damn bro all right what is a woman what woman is someone who identifies as a woman and is feminine presenting a biological female is biological
06:40:11
Andrew Wilsonfemale can you define think that's a pretty that's a pretty good standard Progressive answer I think but can you define woman without using the word
06:40:21
Brian Atlaswoman feminine feminine presenting feminine so like a non-transgender man who is feminine as a
06:40:31
Brian Atlaswoman I'm just saying this is this could be a straight straight man who's just feminine no is he a woman no oh cuz you just said feminine I'm just saying they
06:40:41
Ankahave to be feminine and identify as a woman what if it what if a transgender woman is not feminine are they I okay well you asked me not to include the
06:40:51
Brian Atlasword woman I was I was trying not to all right uh all right I got some chats here uh we have Ogle Ole donated $200 you me chair six
06:41:02
TTS Readeror chair why not just kick chair five off if she won't participate anymore my EDS sister I'm disappointed in you boom you guys ever hear that Shia Twain song
06:41:14
Andrew WilsonI Feel Like a Woman anybody feel like a woman I don't know how any have any of you girls ever heard that song yeah feels like a woman yeah is that It Go I mean I don't know sing it
06:41:25
Andrew WilsonAndrew sing it for us well I mean no that to vocalist than myself but when Shas Twain is saying I Feel Like a Woman in that song do you think she's saying
06:41:37
Andrew Wilsonlike I feel like a dude who's dressed up like me do you think that that's what she's getting at in that song that she's like she's like uh she's talking about uh a you know somebody with with a penis
06:41:50
Andrew Wilsonwho's dressed up like a woman and acts like a woman or do you think she's talking about something else when she said I feel like a woman that's crazy you know all right um I'm going to let some other chats come through haale and well met yo thank you Paladin paladins
06:42:02
TTS Readerdonated $200 and2 a woman is a woman who would Define the word Woman by using the word woman and also say women when talking about a singular
06:42:14
Andrew Wilsonwoman that sounds really regressive L paladins why are you giving us regressive definitions like a woman points to a woman to a woman is a woman and that's what a woman is it's anything
06:42:24
Andrew Wilsonthat says it's a woman because that's a woman that sounds regressive like the opposite of a definition like something that should be rejected as a definition but what the hell do I
06:42:36
Brian Atlasknow okay we have also not a simp here Chloe read this one for us did we get an I patch photo by the way Damian can you Chloe can you read it
06:42:49
Brian Atlasno I genuinely can't see okay Andrew I don't like how you get so mean to people in these debates I don't really care though but if you ever hurt my goth mommy oh no no no that's her goth mommy the knuckle sandwich you'll get I thought you was talking about Chloe why
06:43:00
Andrew Wilsonshe's uh she's been awesome the whole panel she's engaged in every question she seems like she's interested she's been she's been great to talk to the goth mommy yeah she's the one well the
06:43:10
Andrew Wilsonone he's referring to yeah yeah usually uh the only time it ever gets aggressive is if people are like um you know being evasive or refuse to answer basic questions I can understand if there was
06:43:22
Andrew Wilsona loaded question who were like tell us your mom's name and your address and you're like I refuse to answer that seems totally fair to me you know what I mean but it was just like did you go out on a date two weeks ago and you're like ah you I don't know about that re
06:43:34
Andrew Wilsonanswering that seems a little less like correct on a dating podcast you know what I mean so yeah it can it can get aggressive back and forth in some of these debates I agree but I don't I don't take any of it personally I don't think most of the women here take it
06:43:46
Brian Atlaspersonally I wonder if this is a differential between men and women in so far as like men are willing to have these kinds of conversations and like women are not willing to offend because
06:43:57
Brian Atlaslike they operate what's that oh did you see Andre have you seen that uh uh it was this post about like women filter things through a consensus filter do you know what I'm talking about yeah I do I
06:44:09
Andrew WilsonI'm never you know the thing is like I'm never too sure on those things I think that they sound good to us but you know I've noticed that if you talk to women like by themselves when there's not
06:44:21
Andrew Wilsonother women around they're kind of based a lot of them are kind of based they're like yeah they a't no [ __ ] chick like what are you talking there ain't no guy over there but if they're around a group of other women they're like well you know I'm not really sure five that so
06:44:34
Brian Atlasmaybe there is some truth to it you know what I mean you're talking to him solo suddenly they're like oh hell no that ain't you know it's just it's a strange phenomenon okay we have Brian rookard hey thank you for the Super Chat man really appreciate it to the Future
06:44:46
Brian Atlasanesthesiologist there are differences in dosages between men and women with respect to certain medicines so biological woman comes in but identifies as trans man you give her male dose kill her but you were just bowing to her
06:44:58
Ankawishes do you want to respond to that really quick I real that I misspoke earlier like when you're asking me can sex be interchangeable and I said yes um I misspoke I didn't understand the
06:45:08
Andrew Wilsonquestion so no you meant you meant gender gender is fluid sex is not like biologically yes that makesense yeah yeah they're they're easy to confuse I get that so um by that definition if
06:45:21
Ankathey're biologically male or female yes in medicine they would be treated differently based on dosages of medicines and um biologically how they are so no I'm not going to give them the
06:45:30
Andrew Wilsonwrong dose based on what they identify as okay uh so let me ask you this if all if there was a virus that only took out
06:45:41
Ankawomen it only killed women right would trans women die a virus that only killed women yeah
06:45:51
Ankaif there was a virus that only killed biologically female no no it only killed women would trans women die hang on hang on if it only killed women would trans
06:46:02
Andrew Wilsonwomen die why I don't it does a virus understand gender identity I don't like I yeah so if so if there was a virus that only
06:46:13
Ankakilled women would trans women die from that virus I a virus that only killed women
06:46:23
Andrew Wilsonthat would mean a virus that only killed bi biologically female so then we've established that so then we've established that a woman is a biological female I'm saying from a medical
06:46:34
Ankastandpoint which is what the previous person was asking a biological female is a biological female so if a virus was going to attack a biological female then yet no the trans person but what was my
06:46:45
Andrew Wilsonquestion my question was if women if it was women only who could die by a virus would trans women also
06:46:57
Ankadie I just don't think that your question makes sense in a science way why it's because you're CU I we clearly defined that sex is sex and gender is gender and now you're saying yeah I know
06:47:09
Andrew Wilsonbut we never defined what a woman is so so if women if I were to tell you for instance if I were to tell you tomorrow there's going to be a virus is escape
06:47:17
Andrew Wilsonfrom a lab in Wuhan okay and it only only uh affects women and and uh takes out women
06:47:28
Ankaright would would would you worry about any of your trans neighbor if a virus suddenly became sentient and understood the difference between sex and gender then yes now there's viruses which specifically only attack women and
06:47:40
Andrew Wilsonsome that specifically attack men that is true there are some viruses that are that way so if you had a virus that only attacked women could it attack trans
06:47:50
Andrew Wilsonwomen um I just I think that um I pretty much answered your question that sex it's a category error right so if it if it can only take out women but it can't
06:48:02
Andrew Wilsontake out trans women then we'd have to establish a trans women aren't women I don't think a virus can do that but if it but if it could if it could only take out women if it only
06:48:12
Ankatook out females who we call women then necessarily would trans women have anything to worry about I don't really want to follow this hypothetical because I was strictly viewing it from a
06:48:22
Brian Atlasstandard like a science standpoint so oh okay H all right well moving off of that specific uh specific topic uh going to chloee here in your notes you said you
06:48:34
Chloewere 50/50 on if men are physically stronger than women yeah I think men and women carry their strengths in different areas of oh I me so it means uh well physically Stronger Yeah women and men carry their physical strengths in different areas of their body women are
06:48:47
Chloegoing to be stronger in some physical aspects than men are and men are going to be stronger in other aspects such as women are for example I mean it's no denying women have more strength in
06:48:58
Chloetheir legs naturally than guys tend to have we are more prone to having more natural strength in our legs whereas guys have a naturally more stronger upper body
06:49:10
Chloeportion women dominate Sports erroneous erroneous women dominate which sports women I'm not specifying a single sport
06:49:18
Chloewomen dominate sports that have to do with leg strength whether or flexibility yeah actually
06:49:28
Andrew Wilsonso um so just to correct this make sure that we're on the same page females have a higher proportion in lean mass in their lower limbs so they have stronger
06:49:40
Chloelimbs by 0.1% men still have a significant amount of muscle strength difference in their legs than women women are stronger in some aspects physically than men are and men are
06:49:53
Chloestronger in some aspects more physically than women are that's what I'm stating well if this was so according to WebMD directly the question was asked is it true that women have stronger legs than
06:50:03
Andrew Wilsonmen the response from a doctor I would assume no men have generally stronger leg muscles than women the only disparity between men and women is um is
06:50:16
Chloein limbs that's it women are stronger in some ways physically than men are men are stronger in some ways physically that's simply what I'm stating the legs
06:50:27
Chloeyeah but what what ways physically are they stronger in my personal viewpoint I have seen many women beat a man physically and I've seen not beat them
06:50:38
Andrew Wilsonas in beat them but beat them as in like beat them in a physical aspect just as I don't disagree that there's not some women out there who couldn't beat up some men I totally agree with that right I mean I've I've
06:50:50
Andrew Wilsonseen videos of it I'm sure that it happens um I'm sure that it happens I'm sure that there's some women out there who can beat up um a good majority of men even there's some women who could do
06:51:00
Andrew Wilsonthat but for talking about the average we're just asking about the average on average on average are men or women stronger I'm talking about the totality
06:51:11
Andrew Wilsonof it so yeah so so am I so so an average would be the totality of the mean right the totalities in are all men
06:51:22
Brian Atlasstronger no that's not the question that's not what's the can you repeat the question so the the statement is and it's asking if they disagree or agree
06:51:31
Brian Atlasmen are physically stronger than women it doesn't say most it says our men I mean is it wrong to say the sky is blue sometimes the sky is
06:51:46
Brian Atlasgray so then when the sky is gray the sky is gray right but so typically when you make a statement like this for example do humans have 10 fingers yes do some people have birth defects that
06:51:58
Chloethey're born with an extra digit yes or have a finger cut off if someone someone were to ask me do humans have 10 fingers I would say sometimes most of the time
06:52:07
Chloemost of the time okay so generally speaking are men physically stronger than women I in my personal encounters I've met more strong women
06:52:18
Chloethen I've met strong men so my standpoint okay if we were no you
06:52:27
Andrew Wilsonhaven't in your personal in your personal in your personal experience you've met more strong women than you have men really I mean she could be hanging out with a
06:52:40
Andrew Wilsonbunch of like soy boys so I mean it could be true bro it could be true bro like all her male friends are so soy boys how [ __ ] how much more ridiculous [ __ ] are we going to have
06:52:51
Andrew Wilsonto listen to from this woman you know most in your life you had most definitely met way more men who were stronger than way more women no yes and
06:53:02
Andrew Wilsonif you don't want ridiculous nonsense okay well let's find out you grew up I still have your little Hometown here right you still have your little Hometown here um would you say that on average the black women in your hometown
06:53:15
Andrew Wilsonwere on average stronger than the black men in your hometown was I hanging out a bunch with people no you said you were you said that in fact you said you hung out with
06:53:25
Andrew Wilsonthem so much that you wouldn't even date within your own race I didn't because yeah you you did no I didn't say yes no I said I wouldn't date within my own race you said you
06:53:38
Chloewent to a school which was overwhelmingly black my assumption is then that most people that you associated with were likely black am I incorrect there I went to a real school for a very short period of time cuz as I
06:53:51
TTS Readeralso said before I was mostly homeschooled so now hail and well met LOL Paladin's donated $200 and2 even soy boy California Burrito
06:54:01
TTS Readerfatty Brian do more push-ups than the entire rest of the panel combined oh boy so when you went to this school your experience after
06:54:11
Andrew Wilsonschool that more women after school were stronger than the men didn't go to a real school for a long period of time so I'm not talking I know but for the period of time that you did go was your
06:54:21
Andrew Wilsontalk to anyone I went not even a full year yeah I know so within that time that you were there that time frame yeah so within that time frame
06:54:32
Andrew Wilsonyeah that time frame was it your experience that the men or the women were stronger on average my standpoint still stands I'm not changing it can I let me explore it
06:54:43
Andrew Wilsonreally quick if that's if that's fine Andrew um unless you have more you do you want more or well I I just um this is like this is unfathomable like you don't even have to double down on these
06:54:56
Andrew Wilsonpositions they're so stupid even the women who are listening to you are like what is this chick talking about it's insane here just like like look let me demonstrate it show of hands just quick
06:55:06
Andrew Wilsonshow of hands easy uh can anybody raise your hand if it was your experience when you went to school that the boys were usually stronger than the girls just by a quick quick hand raise I know you can
06:55:18
Andrew Wilsonmight get The Sisterhood on this one no I I don't think I'm going to get The Sisterhood on You Got The Sisterhood from her no she raised her hand too okay all
06:55:29
Brian Atlasright uh so here I'll explore it really quick just like get a couple examples out of the way um soccer uh you said like uh lower body
06:55:41
Brian Atlasstrength women have more lower body strength leg strength so you would expect to see like soccer which is a like mostly kind of like L capacity though okay so not soccer then like the
06:55:54
Andrew Wilsonthe the women out compete the men in soccer I think women are better at soccer than men yes and let me real quick Brian I just want to make sure you get this Direction uh women are not so I just had this researched out cuz I know
06:56:07
Andrew Wilsonthe answer women are not stronger in their lower body they're only stronger in their lower body in proportion to their own upper body not in comparison to men's lower body okay yeah yeah yeah no I know exactly and also Andrew I mean
06:56:20
Brian AtlasI know you say it's ridiculous but like remember that one girl who said that her mom could beat up Brock Lesnar I mean it's not as ridiculous as that of course that's c yeah but the thing is is like
06:56:32
Andrew Wilsonwhen I know that a person when I know that a person knows themselves that they're full of [ __ ] I just lose interest right it's like once I know that the person themselves knows that complet just you know I'll skip it sorry
06:56:46
Andrew Wilsongo ahead go ahead I didn't mean to trigger that go ahead I was just saying once I once I know that the person themselves knows that they're full of [ __ ] I just lose interest it's it's like no longer interesting Ogle coming in here it's going to take a sec to come back Ogle thank you for the TTS man
06:56:59
Brian Atlasreally appreciate it so women better at soccer soccer I think so okay so what if I told you they've actually like done this experiment Ogle's about to come in they've done this experiment where they'll match up like a professional
06:57:11
TTS Readerfemale soccer team with like Ogle donated $200 J5 is such a strong argument against homeschooling were you home you were
06:57:22
Brian Atlashomeschooled yeah wow okay we have L paladins coming in here in just a sec but so they've run this experiment they'll set up a professional a women's profession Prof soccer team they might have even done it
06:57:34
Brian Atlasmaybe with the I don't know if it was the Olympic team but like Olympic team maybe not in the US but in uh they've done in various other countries they'll pair the professional adult women soccer
06:57:45
Brian Atlasteam with like the 15-year-old boys and the 15-year-old boys will smoke the women that's embarrassing yeah smoke
06:57:57
Brian Atlasthem and I've said this whole time in my personal experience right but sometimes your personal experience doesn't map on to like real we're asking about my opinion so that's my opinion right but like you could have your own personal
06:58:08
Brian Atlasexperiences and still be able to like like for example like as a woman you could be the strongest woman in the world right not you but like you okay picture the strongest woman in the world
06:58:20
Brian Atlasright she's the strongest woman in the world she's actually probably runs into men there's a good chance that she's actually stronger than a lot of the men that she encounters she would still be
06:58:31
Chloewrong to say that women are stronger than men right I'm not saying women are stronger necessarily than men all in all or that men are stronger all in all I'm saying they're each stronger in their
06:58:42
Brian Atlasown ways well yeah but we're asking how and you're not really presenting a compelling argument because they are so you said be women's lower body strength so like for example uh in my experience
06:58:54
Brian Atlasdo you go to the gym at all do you work out yes do you do squats not squats no you are you familiar with the exercise yes so you know how there's like world record
06:59:02
Brian Atlasfor ATT okay so if I were to tell you that there's no woman the world record holder for the woman's Squad across all
06:59:13
Brian Atlasweight divisions no woman lifts more in the squat which has to do with your lower body strength
06:59:22
Chloethan even probably the top hundred men who who are the top in terms of their squat well there's also different types
06:59:31
Chloeof of physical strengths that would be Jim weight strength whereas there's also practical strength there's also strength as in fighting their strength as in hey
06:59:42
Andrew Wilsonactually that's fair you know if women on average are strong or stronger than men as you previously stated I know you changed your answer just now then why did you pick the bear you can just kick the man's ass right I picked the bear
06:59:55
TTS Readercuz I want to play with a bear oh my gosh oh okay okay uh hold on L paladins is coming in here thank you and well met LOL paladins donated $200
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TTS Readerand2 the only thing keeping women safe is the fact that the vast majority of men are actually not bad men If any man wanted to hurt you they could take comfort that men do not want to hurt
07:00:18
Brian Atlaswomen not 40% H that is an interesting point the benevolence of men um wait so hold on going back to this you said like for fighting women would are stronger like
07:00:30
Chloewomen can no simply stated there are many different kinds of physical strengths but you mentioned fighting I said there's practical strength I said there's weight strength as in like going to the gym how much can you weigh so
07:00:43
Chloewhat would be an example of practical strength lifting up a box how long can someone stand on their feet all day when they're working a
07:00:52
Chloeshift how there's tons of stuff women have higher pain tolerance yeah okay all right I got I'm just going to
07:01:03
Brian Atlassave time I'll just move along um and and Brian um I'm at uh at 3:00 a.m. my time um so I got I got my hard cut at three um yeah Sho us raid man thank you
07:01:15
Brian Atlasby the way Andrew yeah I'm going to send the raid over of course create your World of Warcraft character Andrew we're doing it we're doing it when when are we playing next they're playing we're you just hop in whenever
07:01:26
Brian Atlasyou feel like it yeah just create your character you're what Undead mage I think I'm going to do the uh I think I'm going to do a priest no Andrew I'm kidding I'm kidding I'm dead Mage
07:01:38
Andrew Wilsonwell I mean look we need healers you know we need healers so yeah you always got to have healers all right I appreciate it very much Brian you have a good night it very nice to meet all of you thank you really appreciate it all right have
07:01:51
Brian Atlasa good night Andrew thank you for uh joining us oh wait Andrew Andrew Andrew I'm here I'm here oh really quick last thing last thing uh really quick did you want to address like you wanted to respond to we'll do it another time Tuesday we'll
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Brian Atlasdo Tuesday yeah we'll all right sounds good all right man good night all right we have two chats here coming in Cena I'm going to have you read it go
07:02:14
Cenaahead it's funny that she has to differentiate the scientific belief which are different that her religious beliefs she knows scientifically that men and women are different but
07:02:29
Cenaagainst woke woke Dogma thank you L paladins appreciate you talking about I'm not sure to be honest Lucas go ahead dear God this girl is a [ __ ] can you
07:02:41
Cenatrack down those videos on YouTube where men compete against women especially the four time 400 mixed relay someone has strong feelings about the 4x400 mixed relay that's what I'm gathering from
07:02:53
Brian Atlasthis I mean question for you when it comes to racing right uh racing running running yeah what about like Sprints do you think like men or women I think that
07:03:03
Brian Atlasfully depends on how much you train for it sorry could you repeat that I think that fully depends on how much you train for that okay so a woman who trains the
07:03:16
Chloehardest versus a man who trains the hardest well then then it would depend how much you're born with natural talent in it and that's dependent on every person not
07:03:28
Chloegender Who currently holds the world record for don't know if I told you it was a man then on that standpoint then he was that
07:03:37
Brian Atlasduring that moment you do realize that um the world record holder for the women's 100 meter sprint she wouldn't even qualify to compete with the men you
07:03:49
Brian Atlasunderstand this right I don't watch running right but so I've just presented to you with a fact the world record holder of all time when it comes to the women's 100
07:04:00
Brian Atlasmeter she would would not even qualify to be able to compete against the men I think that partially has to do with
07:04:09
Chloeexpectations all throughout time all let's take gymnastics for an example gymnastics used to be a much simpler sport than it is today but as Sports
07:04:20
Brian Atlasdevelop running running point a point B straight line as fast as you can what I'm getting
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Chloethere the expectations of the very big thing that you have to train even harder for men well for one I'm sure I don't know
07:04:40
Chloethe actual statistics of this or the facts of this but I'm sure men have done sports for a longer time competitively than women have what um women have been in the Olympics since I'm not talking
07:04:53
Brian Atlasabout the Olympics I'm talking about in general anyhow um okay so just to be clear a woman who a woman who's been sprinting her whole life versus a man who's been sprinting her whole
07:05:05
Chloelife I think we place more importance usually on men's sports in our society that's seen by soccer in as well you always hear about male Soccer Stars you don't really tend to hear as much about
07:05:17
Chloethat's because the men are better no not really yes really um so the expectations maret dictates the market dictates reality the expectations do you watch soccer yes really yes name a name a
07:05:29
Brian Atlaswoman soccer player I can't name any soccer player because if I were to ask a man who watches soccer he could tell me a hundred male soccer players you can't name one and you watch women's soccer can you name a
07:05:41
Brian Atlasteam the Barcelona team I watch them play the Barcelona team yeah do you watch the United States team no I don't watch theu she only watches the what's
07:05:51
Brian Atlasthe name of the Barcelona te FCB huh FCB you bar oh men's soccer no they have a woman team is it I don't know I don't watch women's so it's still called Barka
07:06:04
Chloefor the women they don't have different names women there's bar man can you name one female soccer player I can't name a female or a male I watch them play I don't care they are
07:06:16
ChloeRonaldo I can't name one other than one you hear constantly in the media no and the one you hear constantly are all male no how are the girls at this table not like what the [ __ ] are you
07:06:28
Chloetalking about I hear two names constantly Chris Ronaldo Chris you know whatever and messy but I usually hear that from people so female sprinters Reas back to this female sprinters have
07:06:39
Brian Atlasnot had the same opportunities as male sprinters I say opportunities so is there sexism in sprinting is that your argu expectancy so if women if there was more
07:06:51
Brian Atlasexpectation on women to run faster they would they would train harder they'd have to and they would be able to beat the men possibly Ellen do me one solid bro I know Ellen you don't want to like talk
07:07:03
Ellenabout this [ __ ] bro just like look at her and be like just tell her like yo you're [ __ ] [ __ ] just say it for me please don't say I'm kidding don't say that that's such a not really polite
07:07:15
Brian Atlasstatement to say to somebody like even if I sorry even even if you believe she was [ __ ] I mean she can hold her own beliefs I have my opinions what your opinions on this you don't have to call her the r word that
07:07:28
Ellenwas that was wrong of me I just feel like she can hold her own opinions I don't agree with them but that's is she wrong though factually I mean there's my opinion there's her opinion I can share my
07:07:41
Ellenopinion but that's that's the limit why just curious why don't you want to like Risk offense um you know I I would like have like
07:07:53
Brian Atlashigh career aspirations um and I don't want to offend anybody like you you think it would be it would impact your career prospects for you to say that generally
07:08:04
Brian Atlasspeaking men are stronger than women and when it comes to various sporting events women just cannot compete with men I just I mean I told you I have my opinion and I just don't I don't think that's
07:08:16
Elleneven controversial to say it's just reality why' you come on this podcast if you don't want to see controversial stuff if I'm being honest I came here
07:08:26
Ellenbecause my friend invited me and I didn't want to say no honestly whatever here so okay whatever look
07:08:39
Brian Atlasum I don't know I don't know uh there is something to be said about like the unwillingness to like speak the
07:08:49
Chloetruth I just find that interesting to be fair when joining the podcast I had this pretense that it was going to be majority about dating where we talk
07:09:02
Chloesignificant substantially about da substantially more so about politics in my op I agree with that I and that has been very misleading and kind of I mean chlo you've been trying to get on the show for like I don't know exactly when
07:09:13
Brian Atlasyou first messaged us on Instagram then you got sick and you had to cancel um you've been trying to get on the show for a while so you've been aware sitting here March 24th is when Mar 24th March
07:09:25
Brian Atlas24th you sent us a message on the Instagram page oh and then after that I didn't you got sick in any case I mean you have plenty of time to investigate the nature of the podcast um but we are
07:09:36
Chloeexploring told something I take it as you say it's a dating podcast it's going to be about dating it's going to be about that substantially and majority
07:09:49
Chloeespecially since the name of it and what not is literally a dating podcast you don't come on expecting to mostly talk about whether something's gay or not gay or whether dating the
07:10:02
Brian AtlasGenesis of the question was is it straight for a man politically aligned and it's not so much that has to do how did you find out about this
07:10:12
TTS Readerpodcast I simply saw that they were looking for people online that's all all right sleepy bear donated $200 she's only proving that she's the
07:10:25
Brian Atlastype of liar willing to lie to cover a lie there's no way she believes women are stronger than men here we actually there's a Damian there's a thing you can pull up super
07:10:36
Brian Atlasquick on this it's in the I'm trying to find where it is it's called Uh you can just type the URL boys verus women.com and like I don't know if this is going to be compelling to you but
07:10:47
Chloeit's like um I think it should could maybe change talked about the general aspect I've been saying this whole time in my personal experience the women I know
07:10:59
Brian Atlashave been stronger than the men I know okay that's fine so this is Boys versus men so this is male high school athletes
07:11:08
Brian Atlasmale high school athletes versus female Olympians so I believe this is comparing us high school athletes not International versus female
07:11:20
Brian AtlasOlympians from every single country the overall medal count would be as follows if you had just the male high school athletes compete against female Olympians scroll down
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Brian Atlasuh track and field scroll down a bit more track and field scroll down just a teeny bit yeah that's good that's good
07:11:39
Brian Atlasit's going to reorder it okay so if you had uh boys compete against uh the
07:11:49
Brian AtlasOlympic women's finalists the boys would take the first eight places for the 100 m the 200 M scroll down scroll scroll down
07:12:05
Brian Atlasthis is not male Olympians versus female Olympians this is high school boys 400 m they take the first eight places 800 MERS they take the first eight places
07:12:15
Brian Atlasscroll down 5,000 MERS so women do beat out the men the excuse me the boys excuse me in the
07:12:28
Brian Atlas5,000 met there actually is something to indicate that like for women can sometimes like Edge out men a little bit uh 400 met hurdles uh my but the comparison here is
07:12:39
Brian Atlasbetween boys I believe if it was uh women versus men uh the men would still win for the 5,000 meters if they were both male Olympians 400 meter hurdles uh they take all the first eight places
07:12:52
Brian Atlasscroll down 4 * 100 meter relay we're going to skip down a little further after this one to uh they take the first two places is the fir then eight scroll all the way
07:13:02
Brian Atlasdown let's go to swimming pole vault high jump actually wait uh go back up to the one up high jump pull Vault the boy the high school boys beat the female Olympians
07:13:13
Brian Atlasscroll down SC uh more more scroll down track and field swimming let's look at swimming for a bit all
07:13:26
Brian Atlasright they take the first eight places take all the they take all the top places scroll down this is for the 200 you're a swimmer right Ellen I am a swimmer okay all
07:13:37
Brian Atlasright uh the boys out compete the female Olympians in the what is the LC that's long Course Long Course Long met uh they take the all three medals in the 400
07:13:48
Brian Atlaslong course scroll down this is the 800 long course 100 long course meter backstroke they take first and second they take okay
07:13:59
Brian Atlasnext uh scroll down further just keep going keep going breaststroke
07:14:10
Brian Atlasbutterfly okay scroll down scroll down further further further further I'm just going to skip some of the swimming stuff is there anything else no that's pretty much it so it's track field uh swimming is this
07:14:22
Chloecompelling to you at all like I said prior this is about my opinion which relates to my experiences and I've answered that that is through through my
07:14:32
Chloeexperiences So my answer still stands through my experiences that answer still stands okay all right I'm going to move off that but
07:14:42
Brian Atlasum it's a certainly an interesting take uh we're going to do just a few more here then we're going to wrap up the show uh women should be
07:14:52
Brian Atlasdrafted Cena disagrees Giana she's in favor of the female draft good for you Lexi disagrees with women being drafted P disagrees
07:15:03
Brian Atlaswith women being drafted Chloe you disagree that women should be drafted Ellen no opinion no surprise there um you are in favor of women being
07:15:15
Brian Atlasdrafted good for you you feminist you Alysa you disagree that women should be drafted Tiffany you disagree women should be drafted uh don't you think for the sake
07:15:24
Lexiof equality Lexi that uh women should be drafted that seems fair right yeah but if everyone is being drafted it's kind of I feel like there would be
07:15:35
Lexia pretty big disrup if we're talking like War right yeah War so if there was a big big big decline in women then when there
07:15:47
Brian Atlaswouldn't be the why do we value women more than men
07:15:56
GiannaCU probably for the sake of childbearing that's interesting okay but we can't have children without
07:16:06
Giannamen so mhm that's why I think women should as well but all right just me I'm
07:16:15
Brian Atlasgoing to move off of that one for the sake of time um Lexi you were iffy on uh women are not
07:16:24
Brian Atlasoppressed trying to see who else was uh women uh no opinion from
07:16:33
Brian Atlasher uh you said a avantika you said women are not you disagree that women are not oppressed um just curious how are how
07:16:44
Ankaare women oppressed um I maintain the same standpoint that I've always had that um you know there are still certain
07:16:53
Ankaexpectations of women they're like I feel that you know C like women they can't I guess have the same career goals aspirations what do you mean they can't
07:17:06
AnkaI mean they're told not to what do you mean it's totally the contrary everything in society you think like the messaging that Andrew or Andrew are you talking about women in the US or across
07:17:17
Brian Atlasthe world because across the world not universally I can't speak to the specifics of like Ethiopian gender politics but yeah within the US within the US yeah are women oppressed I think
07:17:30
Ankain terms of of Reproductive Rights right now they are being oppressed on another basis no anything else just the reprodu are men oppressed on the basis of Reproductive Rights in the United
07:17:41
Brian AtlasStates based on the previous line of questioning yes okay you're consistent uh Lexi any thoughts on that uh you said that you're maybe iffy about the women's
07:17:52
Brian Atlasoppression I don't think women are really oppressed in the US in the United States okay all right let's see what else uh going to back to avantika I apologize am I saying your name
07:18:04
Brian Atlascorrectly yeah okay uh men are the primary victims of war you disagreed with this I'm not saying that so the question
07:18:17
Ankawas saying that men are the primary victims of war I'm saying that there's children there's families I feel like everyone is equally affected by War does anybody uh I will open this up to
07:18:26
Brian Atlasanybody else um does anybody think that men are not the primary victims of war okay um so you there are other victims
07:18:35
Brian Atlasright of War certainly women children Etc but the question is uh primary victims uh so explain to me uh men are not the primary victims then why do you
07:18:48
Ankasay that it's never just oh men are fighting um of one nation or fighting other men of the Other Nation and they're the only ones getting hurt you know there's other
07:19:00
Ankathere's there's entire civilizations there's women there's children there's Future Families so on that basis no men are not the primary victims okay let me
07:19:09
Brian Atlasask you this um when the United States sent men to World War II uh were men or women in specifically with the United States specifically with World War II
07:19:19
Brian Atlaslet's do World War I also uh when it came to the United States demographic were men the primary victims of war in the United States mhm yes why Japan no
07:19:31
Brian Atlasbecause women and children got bombed men also got bombed yes and so that would make them all victims so if I Grant and I actually I do grant that in
07:19:43
Brian Atlasmilitary conflicts there are civilian casualties and this is going to Encompass both uh this is going to Encompass women and children in fact it may very well be the case that perhaps more women and children are civilian
07:19:55
Brian Atlascasualties I'm not sure if that's actually true but I mean just granting it um this would be the case because the men
07:20:04
Brian Atlasare elsewhere in the war and these men are typically dying sorry can you ask that question well here how about this let's say
07:20:15
Brian Atlasthere's a war and this war 10 million men die and then there's like 5 million Civ civilian casualties and when it comes to the civilian casualties well between the children it's 50/50 because
07:20:26
Brian Atlasthe children don't fight right so it's 50/50 between uh male and female children when it comes to the women however what if I just say okay well it's like
07:20:34
Brian Atlas70% uh female civilian casualties and 30% male civilian casualties um can I change my answer a little bit sure I'm
07:20:46
Ankagoing to say anyone that is in front line of the war so yes men and anyone who gets injured or dies due to war are the primary victims and um secondary would be their wives and their family
07:20:59
Ankaand their children so those would be the the secondary mhm okay so I changed my answer yes men are the primary victims but also anyone who is on the front line and anyone who gets injured or dies are also primary yeah but the question kind
07:21:11
Brian Atlasof suggests like a collective uh a collective degree of victimization right so I would agree with you like for example uh a civilian
07:21:22
Brian Atlaswho gets bombed and the civilian happens to be a woman is a primary victim of the war but if we're like comparing the I
07:21:32
Brian Atlasguess suffering toll or the victim toll um do you think that this is men or women when it comes to Warfare well I guess yes if you like I said I
07:21:43
Ankachange my answer but since we're putting on technical terms more men are fighting in Wars okay you know and so um more men men are the primary victims and then
07:21:54
Brian Atlascome whoever's affected by that okay so you're changing your position on that then yes okay so men are the primary victims of war anyone who's on the front line which
07:22:05
Ankais primarily men primarily men yes in this scenario in all in all scenarios well what if women got I mean what if women are drafted more and suddenly would the like it changed are they
07:22:16
Ankathough no so so in this scenario yes how about all wars that have occurred throughout human history well all wars that have occurred throughout human history have been primarily like f yes
07:22:28
Brian Atlasfought by men and dictated by men so yes they are the primary V okay all right um trying to see if there's I want to bring things back to dating related topics for
07:22:38
Brian Atlasa bit here uh let's see uh where should we go H one sec guys why don't we
07:22:49
Brian Atlasuh how much time we got a few minutes um before we do that actually can you go to Twitch really quick Damian guys go to twitch.tv SL whatever drop us
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07:23:39
Brian AtlasI'm going to get back to the pre-show notes actually on here uh Gian you said you don't date around you prefer to have very few relationships but the one you didn't let the one time you did let a man take you out other than your
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Brian Atlasboyfriend he became your stalker and you had a good restraining order but that's an even longer story ELO yeah that is true okay you want me to Dive Right In well you said you don't date around you
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Giannaprefer to have like very few relationships um so the one time you let a man like take you out on a date he became a stalker yes MH he did so he good times right very good times um he
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Giannafollowed me I guess oh no he dropped me off home and then um I actually had him drop me off a few houses down cuz you
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Giannaknow I didn't really know him that well and I am very like to myself so cautious I guess um and then I waited till he left to go to my house and apparently he
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Giannadidn't go too far cuz he saw where I went and then couple weeks later started spaming my phone neighbors showed me um videos of him staying at my house cuz we
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GiannaI lived in an apartment um not too long ago and stuff like that so yeah I am very very very cautious with who I got with and who I okay sure spend uh moving
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Ankato to avantika you said what what was the movie story um have you heard of the movie
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AnkaEvil Dead Rising um so I um a guy from like uh like School asked me like it was a couple years ago to go to the movie
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Ankascreening well I chose it cuz I I love horror movies and um we were at the movie theater and um we were the only two people there I don't know how it happened and the whole theater and then
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Ankahe got like really like scared and he started crying and it was it just kind of funny uh and you also said that he said he l oh no he loved movies I thought he said he loved you uh and then but he uh
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Ankahe started crying like when you say crying like just a singular tear or like full-blown like crying I think if you've ever seen the movie it's like ridiculously gory it's so like I feel
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Ankalike I was pretty shocked did you suggest the movie or did he I did but um I kind of just dived in I don't really see the trailers for the movies so I just dived in so he started crying yeah
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Ankaand he was scared did he like reach for your hand like oh my God yeah okay and um he tried to make a move on you
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Ankaafter yeah like it was so weird because after he cried I don't know after like he left a little bit like think 10 or 20 minutes earlier and then I left I thought he left like left left and then
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AnkaI saw him there at the end and then he was like you're like do I want to take this like somewhere else and I was like no no cuz he was it cuz he cried or um no I just I guess like I the the
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Brian Atlasimplication was sexual and I just wasn't feeling it I going to watch a horror movie oh okay H all right um you sure it wasn't because he
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Ankacried i' I've cried at movies I cried a like Sad Dog documentary like I cry anything basically so I was really that all right you said uh maybe this is a different guy his family was part of a
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Ankacult and you found out 3 months in yeah it what was the cult it was Scientology oh okay nice and and like I guess I try to put it for a juicy story but a lot of people are part of that cult so it's not really too juicy okay you said you went