HEATED DEBATE With California Boss Babe Feminists?! Andrew Wilson! Goth Dating?! | Dating Talk #215
Date: 2024-11-25
Duration: 9h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Lexi(guest)
SPEAKER_03Anka(guest)
SPEAKER_04Tiffany(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ellen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Gianna(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_12Pa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Chloe(guest)
SPEAKER_14Cena(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:14
IntroBrian Atlas opens the show with announcements: BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit, WoW guild on Nightslayer realm, Molten Core raid Dec 12.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:03:20
IntroGianna introduces herself: 18, LA, model, studying psychology online at City College.
“hi I'm gaana I'm from Los Angeles I'm 18 and I'm a model”
00:03:51
IntroCena introduces herself: 18, Canada (Montreal), does OnlyFans, studying engineering. Brian notes she's a returning guest.
“hi I'm Cena I'm 18 my occupation I do only fan and I'm in school for engineering”
00:09:09
IntroChloe introduces herself: 20, lives in South Korea (only here temporarily), model and dancer, studied psychology in university.
“my name is yoa I'm 20 years old I live down in Korea so I actually I'm only here temporarily”
00:13:13
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, political analyst.
“my name is uh Andrew Wilson I'm the host of the Cru Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm political analyst”
00:32:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she's never officially been in a relationship, has a graveyard in her phone (changes exes to tombstones). Reveals her 4-year non-relationship was toxic/abusive. He cheated with her best friend while she was pregnant. She put water in his gas tank. Has a 3-year-old son.
“I have like a graveyard in my phone I don't know if anyone's seen that like once you're gone like you get three tombstones”
00:41:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she has had 2 abortions, was supposed to get a third but the ex never took her to the appointment (Missouri, abortion was illegal). Son's father told her if something happened to their son (who had a heart murmur) it was 'on my watch.' No child support, no contact.
“I wasn't supposed to I was supposed to get an abortion um oh and it didn't happen so”
00:51:00
Key MomentPa reveals her ankle injury: occurred during an upside-down 69 position (standing 69 → straddle handstand) with her 7-year situationship guy. Tripped over nightstand. Tells her boss a different story (tripped over a curb).
“he was just grabbing me me off from the bed um and because of I guess the like amount of drinks that we've had”
00:54:42
Key MomentChloe reveals she has Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, is blind in her left eye, went to hospital after sex ruptured an ovarian cyst. Graduated high school at 14.
“I'm tiny and um I'm like barely 53 and I have a genetic disorder”
01:09:00
QuoteTiffany on men liking submissive women: 'I don't think they have to but they usually do — men like to provide.' She also argues from 'Why Men Love Bitches' that overly submissive women bore men and men cheat. Andrew disagrees strongly.
“I think men should pay okay um I think I don't think they have to but they usually do”
01:31:20
Key MomentDebate: Zuckerberg (Facebook/Instagram) vs Tim Stokely (OnlyFans) — who caused more harm? Andrew: definitely OnlyFans, produces nothing good, creates parasocial relationships with lonely men. Alyssa and Cena defend OnlyFans. Most guests say Facebook.
“definitely only fans has done more damage”
01:51:40
QuotePa on having a party where she invited all 7 men she'd slept with and made them all wear pink to identify them — without them knowing.
“I only invited seven wait so seven dude was there an orgy afterwards”
02:00:00
ControversyChloe claims she witnessed two friends get shot by police in Jennings, MO at age 13 during Fight Club roughhousing. Andrew challenges the story vigorously, offers $500 for proof, says it would have been national news. Brian says Jennings is rough and takes her word.
“I have seen probably two people with my own eyes but then I have seen in passing as in like heard from everyone”
02:33:20
Key MomentPa's 7-year situationship guy confessed 'I think I'm in love with you' while they were together (he was drunk). She said 'ask me sober' — he hasn't. He then dropped off a book for her the morning of the show.
“he literally just whispered I think I like he said I think I'm in love with you”
03:04:50
Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Guests rate themselves 1-10. Gianna: 9. Cena: 8. Lexi: 7.5. Pa: 6.9-7.2. Chloe: 8. Ellen: 7. Anka: refused. Alyssa: 8.5. Tiffany: 8. Andrew: 10 (non-objective confidence). Discord sends AI-aged forward photos of each guest.
“go ahead I would say a decent 8.7 nine maybe I'll say nine”
03:37:42
Key MomentRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) joins via Discord. Delivers detailed argument for homeschooling, stay-at-home motherhood, and birth rate concerns. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good; all said yes. Then asks if staying home is a privilege; all said yes. Rachel points out the contradiction. Asks who would choose babies over career if humanity died out otherwise.
“hello ladies hey Brian thanks for having me on”
04:11:10
QuoteAnka's most quotable moment: 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, it's a fair trade-off.' (Later partially walked back.)
“so if it was like the man's going to me... I'd rather choose being mauled”
04:31:40
Key MomentBow video segment: Brian plays video of ex-girlfriend bowing and cooking dinner. Goes around table asking who would bow for their man. Only Tiffany semi-concedes. Brian argues bow takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
“boom huge bow huge bow and then you know she scampers to get the laundry done after”
05:09:00
ControversyAnka says 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, that's a fair trade-off' during Rachel's career-vs-babies hypothetical. Chat erupts. Ogle donates saying she's 'disqualified herself from any future partner live on air.' Anka later clarifies she was partly trolling/rage-baiting.
“if it was like oh whatever I do says you know then Humanity's off but like I mean I'm doing what I want to do”
05:17:20
ControversyAnka estimates 50% of men in a forest and 40% of men alone in a room would assault her. Brian challenges the math (66 million American men). Andrew asks if she'd choose assured death over a random man in the forest — she says yes. Extended bear vs man vs velociraptor vs T-rex debate.
“I would say like in the forest if we're talking about just in the forest it's a 50/50”
06:02:21
Key MomentTrans debate: is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Gianna, Anka say yes (straight regardless of surgery). Andrew and Brian argue two males having sex is homosexual by definition. Chloe nuanced (depends on surgery/genuine attraction). Brian sarcastically asks guests to 'affirm his identity' as being correct.
“so just to be clear uh would you guys agree that uh homosexual means same sex”
08:00:00
ControversyAt end of show, Chloe admits she was partly rage-baiting during the show after realizing it was political/debate-oriented rather than a light dating show. Says roughly half her extreme positions were genuine and half were trolling.
“I made a decision when I was going to come on here that if this is one of those rage bait more so political ones then I was just going to act just as rage baity”
Topics Discussed
00:03:20
Introductions & Relationship Status
Guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Round of relationship statuses including Chloe's Korea story, Pa's 7-year situationship, Alyssa's abusive ex and child, Tiffany's long-distance relationship. Also covers Pa's ankle injury (sexual stunt).
00:51:00
Sex-Related Injuries & Health Stories
Pa's ankle fracture from upside-down-69 stunt. Chloe's ovarian cyst from sex (Ehlers-Danlos syndrome). Discussion of EDS symptoms.
00:56:10
Men Losing Weight / Loose Skin
TTS question about a man who lost 360lbs with loose skin — would guests date him? Mixed answers; Chloe says she wouldn't due to fear of them regaining weight.
00:59:55
Chloe's Korea Life & Family Background
Chloe discusses living in South Korea, her unusual family (mom on 5th husband, 23 siblings), why she can't date white men, debate with Andrew about sibship/dating logic.
01:13:20
Feminist Identity & Core Values
Do guests identify as feminist? Andrew's definition (egalitarianism). What are guests' core values? What do they bring to the table? Discussion of ideal man attributes.
01:24:20
OnlyFans vs Facebook — Societal Harm
TTS question: has Mark Zuckerberg or Tim Stokely (OnlyFans founder) done more harm? Andrew argues OnlyFans produces nothing good; Cena defends OnlyFans as helping lonely men.
02:43:00
Democracy vs Abortion & Political Questions
Would you support a bill tying abortion rights to military draft eligibility? Who's pro-life vs pro-choice? Would you choose democracy or abortion rights? Most chose democracy. Chloe says she doesn't like the US democracy.
03:04:50
Self-Ratings & Aging Attractiveness
Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Discussion of whether they'll be more attractive in 10/20/30 years. AI aging forward images shown. Self-ratings: Gianna 9, Cena 8, Lexi 7.5, Alyssa 8.5, Tiffany 8, Pa 6.9-7.2, Chloe 8, Andrew 10 (joke), Ellen 7.
03:37:42
Rachel Wilson on Homeschooling & Feminism
Andrew's wife Rachel Wilson calls in. Advocates homeschooling as superior (Tucker Carlson appearance). Argues feminism has led to birth rate collapse. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good, and if staying home is privilege. Heated exchange with Anka about career vs motherhood duty. Rachel argues society is unsustainable if women don't have children.
04:22:00
Who Should Pay on the First Date / Bow Video
Brian plays bow video of ex-girlfriend. Would guests bow for their man? None (except Tiffany conditionally). Debate about first-date paying norms — most expect men to pay. Brian's argument: bowing takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
05:09:00
Abortion, Women's Rights, Child Support
Do women have equal rights to men? Anka argues abortion is the one area of inequity. Brian points out men have zero reproductive rights. Debate: can a man legally avoid child support? Should taxpayers pay? Andrew's body-our-choice vs responsibility argument. Extended back-and-forth.
05:17:20
Man vs Bear Question
Would you rather encounter a random man or random bear alone in a forest? Chloe, Ellen, Alyssa, Anka chose bear. Gianna, Cena, Lexi, Pa, Tiffany chose man. Anka estimates 40% of men would assault her. Extended Velociraptor/T-Rex variants. Debate about whether bear-preference is sexist.
06:02:21
Trans Identity Debate
Is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Most guests say yes (pre-op too). Brian and Andrew argue biologically two males having sex is homosexual. Chloe most nuanced; says depends on surgery and genuine attraction. Guests define "what is a woman." Extended philosophical debate with Andrew about self-ID logic.
07:59:00
Body Count Discussion
Is it hypocritical for a high-body-count man to require a low-body-count woman? Chloe says yes. Brian disagrees — asymmetrical attraction is not hypocrisy. Body count round: Gianna 0-5, Cena 3, Lexi 2, Pa 50-60, Chloe under 5, Ellen very low (0-3), Alyssa 100+ (stopped counting), Tiffany 0 (virgin), Anka declined.
08:00:00
Roast Session & Wrap-Up
TTS roast session at $20 threshold. Roasts directed at each chair. Chloe admits she was rage-baiting some answers when she realized the show was political. Final body count round. Brian thanks panelists. Wrap-up and raid.
Transcript
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05:35:12
Brian Atlaslandmines so there's still like people no so you're either scenario you're fully alone fully alone fully alone with either the man or the bear if it was a
05:35:23
Ellendeep set Forest I think it's the bear because I don't see why just like a regular man would be well let's assume there's a hiking path oh than the man then the man because then there's like a reason for somebody or the man to like
05:35:37
Ellenwell there there's also a reason for the bear to be there too oh no there's like a reason or there's like that's where they live no but it's just like the general population goes there but like I feel like a serial killer would just go to the random how about how about this
05:35:48
Brian Atlaslet me let me give you this one uh so you you randomly spawn in the forest you just get dropped there randomly okay then there's two buttons that get
05:35:59
Brian Atlaspresented in front of you you can randomly spawn a random man or two buttons or you can hit the other Buton randomly spawns a
05:36:09
Brian Atlasbear so there's not motives as to why they're there you just random man of the entire US population random bear of the
05:36:18
Ellenbear population in the US than a man oh okay yeah why did you pick bear initially because I thought it was like a deep like dark forest and there's like no
05:36:31
Brian Atlasreason for a human being to be there unless they're like kind of crazy okay all right um that's an that's an interesting interpretation of the
05:36:41
Ankaquestion what about you so why do you pick bear why don't you pick men um just don't trust the man's intent I mean even if it was a woman I don't think i' trust
05:36:51
Brian Atlasany person's intentions ESP you'd rather be in the forest uh with a bear over a woman even yes cuz I don't trust anyone's intentions in the middle of the forest I think you guys are letting The
05:37:03
Brian AtlasForest Part do a bit of heavy lifting here I mean if it's public or even so even in a forest you'd you'd rather come and also the
05:37:14
Brian Atlasscenario you're going to cross paths you C you will cross paths with either the man or the bear there's not like you can't hide from them they become aware
05:37:23
Brian Atlasof your presence um so Bear yes because you don't trust people in general I mean a bear
05:37:33
Ankacan't assuming the worst a bear can't like torture you and you and everything you know and I mean they'd probably Maul you and kill you but that's like aside from like I don't know psychological
05:37:45
Brian Atlastorture I'm just talking about like the capacity each one has okay so just to be um wait just to be clear even a woman
05:37:54
Brian Atlasyou'd prefer to pick a bear over a woman a random woman yes H interesting this is a new one I haven't heard uh and then you picked bear why do you pick bear why
05:38:04
Brian Atlasdon't you pick men um I just feel like I would be better off with a bear than a man all right uh so I guess those of you who you changed your answer did you
05:38:16
Brian Atlaschange your answer too or you're still bear okay bear bear bear you said you don't trust men uh I guess a lot of you are concerned that the man in this situation while the bear could murder you the man could try to torture you before he could try to essay you before
05:38:29
Brian Atlasthat seems to be a lot of the uh things that women will say on this one uh I guess what percentage then of men do you think are inclined to uh
05:38:39
Chloeassault you in this way to pick bear over men starting with you Chloe go ahead I actually wasn't even thinking about them doing something per se I just
05:38:50
ChloeI don't like the majority of guys like really people too I do agree actually with you even a woman spawning there I don't really I just don't really like
05:39:00
Brian Atlaspeople all that much you dislike people to the point that you'd rather encounter a bear oh I'd love to test my luck I I
05:39:09
Brian Atlaslove I love animals so the choices like have a like like gossip about some [ __ ] with it like a like a bimbo like that could be a scenario like she's just like Paris Hilton or some
05:39:23
Chloe[ __ ] it's like no I don't want that you'd pick a bear over Paris Hilton
05:39:32
Chloeyes if I wanted to talk with someone and like he he haha I'd go to like a salon or go somewhere where i' want to talk to people if I'm in the woods can I ask you a question if you didn't eat breakfast today how would
05:39:45
Brian Atlasyou feel what do you mean if you didn't have breakfast this morning how would you
05:39:51
Brian Atlasfeel I'd be a little hungry okay um all right [Music]
05:40:01
Brian Atlasuh so you pick a bear over any human what about a baby there's a baby in the crib it's crying maybe you pick the bear then I'll pick the bear cuz I don't want the baby to
05:40:14
Brian Atlasspawn in the forest the baby should be at home with its with its family all right good that's a great okay cool all right uh and then why so you're you
05:40:24
Brian Atlasyou what's the percentage chance of a woman doing something bad to you to the point that you'd rather pick a wild animal that's like four times as big as
05:40:36
Ankayou over a woman like what are you afraid the woman's going to do to you I mean with an animal it's clearcut you know they're either going to eat you or they're not are they going to go
05:40:47
Brian Atlassomewhere else I you don't know a person's intentions especially in the middle of a forest so there's one two three four five six seven eight women here um I
05:41:00
Brian Atlasmean like you would rather spawn with a bear than any of the women here at the table I mean excluding paw so all the other women here at the table you'd rather be in a forest with a bear
05:41:12
Brian Atlasthan any of them I don't know who they are I don't know I don't know their Capac you know them like Ellen over there she could [ __ ] stab you bro she could [ __ ] pull out her knife and just
05:41:21
Andrew Wilsonstart shanking you live on on air yeah I don't know she could be violent right okay um what if what if you changed it from a bear to a lion just by
05:41:34
Andrew Wilsona show of hands would anybody's would anybody's answer change random bear or random lion or random
05:41:41
Brian Atlasman no no is this because like lions are maybe P perceived as more aggressive yeah like 20 fold
05:41:56
Payeah change all right um Tyrannosaurus Rex random Tyrannosaurus rex or a random man yeah anybody's answer change T-rex or no yeah maybe a t-x because they
05:42:08
Andrew Wilsoncan't really get to you what they have tiny arms yeah but they have oh I mean they're like big and they rewat Jurassic Park bro random okay show hands real
05:42:19
Brian Atlasquick random Velociraptor or a random man show hands Velociraptor or man you can just like climb the back and I can't reach you okay pause I'm going to get you in a
05:42:31
Brian Atlascage with a velociraptor I go does it change your Velociraptor or man no it doesn't change still Velociraptor yes
05:42:39
Alyssavelociraptor look I'm be honest I'm damaged um so I would probably still the the yeah Velociraptor veloc I don't know Velociraptors are cute what the
05:42:51
Brian Atlas[ __ ] what the [ __ ] I used to call my little sibling a velociraptor I don't know that's great okay couple more clarifying questions then uh so okay going to the men though to the men I
05:43:03
Brian Atlasknow you said you don't even want the woman over the bear um what is the risk assessment on like what percentage of men do you think would choose to like sa you out of the random of the male
05:43:14
Ankapopulation in the United States I don't know but am I willing to take that risk in the middle of a forest you know someone who would well that I mean typically when you're doing a risk assessment if like the risk of something
05:43:27
Brian Atlasis like 0.00001 versus say like 50% you're going to like you know if the man chooses to sa me and I have to live with that for the rest of my life life I well there's no guarantee in this situation that you
05:43:39
Brian Atlasit's not a guarantee you get essayed okay do do you think that or do you think that it is a guarantee if you're alone with a man he's going to essay you I don't think that it's a guarantee okay so what's the what's your risk
05:43:51
Ankaassessment what's the percentage I'm going on the worst possible scenario so if it's like the man's going to me what is the percentage of the worst possible scenario happening um I would say like in the
05:44:05
Ankaforest if we're talking about just in the forest it's a 50/50 cuz you don't know what type of person they are they could be a hiker they could be someone who wants to get a person Alone um and
05:44:14
Andrew Wilsondo whatever they want with them what do you think a Rex would want to do kill me do you think do you think do you
05:44:23
Brian Atlasthink that uh you could like calm it down I could do it I don't know I mean I haven't really I don't know wait so 50 50% of the men though would in the forest in the forest okay let me just
05:44:36
Andrew Wilsonask this real quick real quick Brian yeah uh if you were assured death or a random man in the forest which would you
05:44:47
Ankachoose um probably death I just don't know what the person is capable like I said not man it doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman if I'm in the middle of the force with them I just don't know what they'll do
05:45:00
Ankaversus if a bear is mauling me in two seconds then I'm already gone so what
05:45:08
Brian Atlaswhat what is the percent risk of anybody trying to say you trying to hurt you in some
05:45:17
Ankaway what's the percent risk I would say it's 50/50 anyone 50% in the forest in the forest what about in urban settings in urban settings probably I would say
05:45:30
Brian Atlaslike 75% they're not going to do anything and maybe 25% they are how about this
05:45:38
Brian Atlasum you're alone in a room with a man what's the percent
05:45:45
Ankathere what percentage of men would do something if I'm alone in a room with
05:45:53
Ankathe man the man yeah um I would
05:46:02
Ankasay it's hard to say I don't know uh maybe like 60% that they're not going to do something 40% they are i% I don't know the true intentions of someone okay so
05:46:15
Brian Atlas40% of the time you've been alone in a room with a man you've been ESS no I mean so how do you I'm not in a I can't like calculate probability you have you ever been in a
05:46:27
Brian Atlasroom alone with a man yes have you I mean it sounds like from the previous statements you've made you have had casual sexual encounters I'm assuming these were consensual maybe not all of
05:46:37
Ankathem but yes and it's just been with one person who's had good intentions wait you've only had that with one person I'm not saying I'm not saying like that I'm not like saying
05:46:48
Ankathat like oh it's like 100 people and then it's like 25% of them are like wrong and then you know what I mean I don't okay so 40% of men so just to be
05:46:58
Brian Atlasclear um do you have any male siblings no uh you have male cousins you have a father yes all right uh 40% of your
05:47:06
Ankaimmediate family are uh essers no what makes her family Superior to the general population I mean I I don't know cuz I know them on a personal level I don't
05:47:19
Ankathink they would do that but I'm not saying it's limited to a the case with some of these statistics that it's more likely to be somebody you know who does this to you you're right on that I'm just saying if it's any random person
05:47:30
Ankanot limiting this to a man or not I'm saying there's like a 6040 chance per of them being good versus bad what's the population the adult male population of
05:47:39
Brian Atlasthe United States it's 165 million 40% of 165 million sorry I'm [ __ ] terrible of 165 let me ask you a question real quick
05:47:51
Andrew Wilsonuh just another curiosity question I was wondering about you agree with me that uh people can overcome horribly traumatic experiences they can overcome those at least some percentage of people
05:48:03
Andrew Wilsoncan some percentage yes yeah at least some percentage can they do that if dead no no so if you had to choose on behalf of other women who were not you you did not know the woman but you had to spawn
05:48:14
Ankathem in the forest with a random man or a random bear which one would you choose then I don't know I look me personally yes I would choose a bear for them yeah
05:48:26
AnkaI know but this is not you personally this is you choosing for somebody else I don't know I mean I I guess if I don't know I like you're asking me if I'm choosing between them being dead
05:48:38
Andrew Wilsonor having a traumatic experience they're going to eventually overcome like well I'm not asking you that I'm asking if if you had to choose on behalf of another woman who was not you did not know what woman what the choice would be that this
05:48:50
Ankawoman would make but you could spawn her into a forest with a random bear or a random man which one would you choose then I guess the man I'm just saying I couldn't deal with
05:49:03
Ankaan extremely traumatic experience I'd rather choose being mauled and like being dead in like two or you know like a couple minutes if it was another woman maybe she might be stronger than me I don't
05:49:14
Brian Atlasknow well just on your risk assessment really quick here you said uh 40% uh are you prepared to say that 66 million men in the United States are uh
05:49:25
Ankainclined to this kind of crime no I didn't say a hard fact like that I just well you said 40% yeah that's based on my belief of whether or not I trust a person alone in a room or alone in the forest right but the question was
05:49:37
Brian Atlaswhat percentage of people would be inclined or what percentage of men would be inclined to do something like this and you said to which you answered 40% so you have to say that 66 million men in the United States are inclined to
05:49:49
Ankado this no that's not what I'm saying I'm saying that I am more cautious of their intentions that's my belief I don't think that a lot of people are I think that's not the case uh and then those of you who said bear I guess final
05:50:01
Brian Atlasthing then I'm going to move it on does it change anything if it's 10 men versus 10 bears I don't know I still think it's kind of
05:50:11
Chloefun I don't know it's I don't know I just like them I would take my chances for a little
05:50:21
PaAdventure it would be fun like expecting to play around with the bear or but what if they're all attacking you at once could you survive like 10 Bears 10 men for me it's not so much of
05:50:33
Chloea concern of whether I'll survive or not if I do or don't that's just just what happens but so what's stopping you from just like right now you do you just not care about like living is that I just like my life experiences and I would
05:50:47
Chloereally like to experience possibly being able to befriend and cuddle a group of bears I think at the risk of death I mean I would try to like play with all the wild animals near me as a kid so
05:50:58
Chloewhat's stopping you right now from going to a zoo and jumping in the gorilla enclosure there's literally nothing stopping you from doing it when I was a kid my biggest dream in the world was being able to like hang out and spend
05:51:10
Chloetime next to a hippo I knew how dangerous they were but they're just so darn cute maybe like a baby hippo no like an
05:51:20
Brian Atlasadult like the big chunky ones want a hippopotamus for Christmas that was my favorite song only hippopotamus will do
05:51:30
Brian Atlasand I don't care if it bites me in half I don't give a [ __ ] I like wrong with what do you mean you going to go hang out with the hippopotamuses what are you talking about yeah you're going to be
05:51:41
Chloedead son like one time I tried to befriend this coyote that was near us d e d he wasn't so nice but we came to a
05:51:50
Brian Atlasmutual understanding I think that's that's good um H does it change anything for you if it's 10 men versus 10 Bears I would take the 10 Bears what
05:52:01
Brian Atlasabout a 100 men 100 Bears I would take the 100 bears I'm a little confused though so you said 60% like even using the your own number
05:52:13
Brian Atlasthat you provided you said 40% of men would try to do something crazy 60% wouldn't so if the 60% of men even
05:52:23
Brian Atlasgranting to you the ridiculous statistic no offense 40% of men are evil and they want to attack you whatever there's a
05:52:32
Brian Atlasthere's 60 men versus 40 men if 60 men saw you being a attacked by 40 men the 60 men would outnumber the 40 men you don't think that they would intervene in
05:52:43
Ankathis situation they just let it happen that' be kind of crazy to watch do you want to answer the question though I I don't know I I'm just saying
05:52:52
AnkaI don't like it's based on each of them I don't know like I still would choose the Bears yes that's my final answer you don't all right I what if what if the 40
05:53:04
Ankamen had guns they I would change them and then they shoot me like I don't like it's just like average what if they had knives and then the other what the good men can't stop them like we're putting crazy hypotheticals in this I'll add even more crazy
05:53:21
Brian Atlashypotheticals it's just it's just interesting to me because there's this fear here well if you're alone well then you're alone but like you move through your life with other people
05:53:33
Brian Atlasaround you walk by men all the time in the streets they don't do anything to you you've probably encountered thousands tens of thousands of men they've done nothing to you they you
05:53:44
Ankajust walk right past are you assuming that because like people yes like WR okay so the majority of men that you literally just Ro majority [ __ ] slap you in the face not the majority but there has been times where I feel that
05:53:56
Ankapeople are like past like stalked me basally I don't care how you feel did they or did they not they made me feel uncomfortable yes how did they make cat calling harassing walking behind you for like 10 minutes straight trying to
05:54:09
Brian Atlasfigure out where you live the majority of men do that saying the majority you're twisting my words it happens once a season some guy follows you how often have you been followed home I'm it
05:54:19
Ankahappens to women 100% literally work in La like yes I am scared okay so homeless homeless people I'm not saying homeless people I just say like I'm scared on my walk to back to my parking lot like in a
05:54:29
Brian Atlascity yes it's scary to me okay so I don't know what their inten but I grant that this happens but like how many men do you walk past and there's no encounter whatsoever a lot of the
05:54:42
Ankatimes tens of thousands of men you've walked past your entire life who've done nothing to you let me flip the question how many times has a man been scared that any anyone's going to do anything from him on the um actually there's
05:54:55
Brian Atlasthere's statistics to you mean like if you see in prison I'm not talking about prison I'm just talking walk back to your car in like a crowded like suburban area actually as a men are more likely to be
05:55:07
Brian Atlasvictims of violent crime so um yeah I think about my safety all the time and I just feel like this question's asked a lot more towards women not what what do you mean I just answered your question I know but I I
05:55:19
Brian Atlasfear for my safety that's that's all I'm cool I fear for my safety too okay I'm glad we both agree okay I don't know if that was a really productive exchange there but I you think men are just like oblivious to
05:55:32
Ankatheir surroundings I'm sorry I don't think you're I don't think it was a productive exchange for you to ask me if I was trapped in a room with 100 men and then 100 Bears Forest the forest fine 100 Bears 100 men like like I don't know
05:55:44
Brian Atlaswhere this conversation is going exactly well the reason I I bump up the amount of people is that there's a component here of like well if you're alone d d but like even using your own stats that
05:55:56
Brian Atlasyou said it was 6040 if there's six men who are good men and then there's four men who have bad intentions that's still more men that would intervene on your behalf to protect you from these four
05:56:09
Brian Atlasbad men okay so I mean that's why I ask it despite
05:56:16
Brian Atlasthis you would still risk the bear over it's just kind of crazy to
05:56:28
Brian Atlasme um do you guys think that this is a sexist position to hold to pick a bear a bear over a man is it sexist against
05:56:38
Alyssamen no not sexist okay I'm just saying I I've said any person do you think it's sexist no I didn't choose a bear because of that reason oh okay do you do you think it's
05:56:50
Chloesexist what was the question do you think if you pick the bear over the man do you think it's sexist well I'm picking the bear cuz I think it'll be fine I'm not thinking it okay well just
05:57:00
Chloeengage for real Z what do you mean you asked if I pick a man or a bear I said a bear I have my own reasons for that my reasons are I think it would be really fun okay I'm
05:57:12
Brian Atlasjust going toip not sexist question if um if we were to change this to have be uh like include Race So if people were picking bear over black person would this be
05:57:24
Alyssaracist I feel like it would why well because there's a people are
05:57:34
Alyssascared of black people so to say is the statistics and so I feel like people would be more people would choose
05:57:43
Brian Atlasthe bear because they would okay would it be racist to pick a bear over a black person no it wouldn't be racist I would
05:57:53
Tiffanysay that about any race any gender I guess she's consistent I guess what if I would I would normally choose a man over a bear but if it's specified
05:58:05
Ankathat that man is is black I would choose a bear would that make me racist like if you're saying oh I you'd normally choose any other race man over a bear and then the bear I mean the man is black just a
05:58:16
Ankanormal man doesn't okay well if you're I guess if you're switching the question in that way yes if You' like
05:58:24
Brian Atlasyes but I I know I've kept it consistent it is it is interesting um okay all right I'm going to move it off of the bear then let me see we do have a
05:58:36
Brian Atlasat here we have L paladins this woman is literally on the oh my God bro on the same mental capacity as the four-year-old girl can I pet the that dog can we get Brian to play that clip I
05:58:47
Chloelove that clip you know what that I don't know what that is can I thatg that dog is she has a really cute little girl yeah oh my gosh I love it so much all right um okay well we're going to get
05:58:58
Brian Atlasinto the uh rest of this try to get through it as quickly as possible um G Giana I'm going to start from the bottom
05:59:06
Brian Atlasand move my way up uh like okay um you you disagree it's not straight for a man to date a transom it's
05:59:19
Brian Atlasnot it's straight for a man to data trans wom I mean yeah yeah you think it's straight yeah yeah so you disagree it's not straight um going to Cena you
05:59:31
Cenathink it's 50/50 what do you mean well like like if that trans was it transom or trans
05:59:41
Cenaman uh so it would be a man dating a trans woman if that trans woman is like fully transitioned I'd be like it's it's straight but if it's what
05:59:53
Brian Atlasdo when you say fully transitioned do you mean had bottom surgery yeah okay so it would be what if they didn't have bottom surgery it would be what would it be gay I
06:00:04
Cenamean it depends on the man right like if he thinks that's okay if he likes that then I'm going to come right back to this I have two chats coming
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TTS Readerin Ogle donated $200 chair 4 is one of those people who thinks being counter or quirky is cool but it's not you mean chair five real idiot would say it would be fun to be
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Brian Atlaswith bears hanging out I think you mean chair five taking this seriously just skip her yeah yeah yeah you're right you're right Ogle um I have another one coming in from he does clarify he does clarify yo Ogle thank you for the TTS
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Brian Atlasman I really appreciate your support good to see you in the chat dude I knew somebody named Ogle a long time ago I don't know if it's the same donated
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Brian Atlas$200 my bad $200 penalty for clicking too fast sign hey thank you for the clarification Ogle I do appreciate it you're a legend sir thank you thank you
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Brian Atlasfor the TTS and your support of the show appreciate it uh okay we were you said it was uh
06:01:06
Brian Atlas5050 on that okay Lexi you did a little 50/50 squiggly thing uh so care to provide
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Lexiclarification I just feel like if the other person doesn't have any surgery or whatever it's totally up to their partner to say like oh yeah I am gay or I am straight I just think
06:01:29
Brian Atlasit's their business wait sorry uh are you saying there's a duty to disclose or what do you mean like I'm just saying I'm not going to tell
06:01:40
Lexisomeone like if you're dating a trans woman you're gay I just think it's whatever he wants to be I'll yeah I don't really have a well you might not say that to them but like if you were to have like if you were actually to
06:01:52
Brian Atlasanalyze the situation I don't really have a stance on it I don't think but I'm you do have a stance and your stance is that um I'm 50/50 like you're
06:02:04
Brian Atlas50/50 but you're not prepared to outright say that it's not straight for a man to date a trans woman not straight just think it depends on a lot of
06:02:16
Brian Atlasfactors I don't know yeah such as surgeries and what the people are comfortable let's assume that the transom had bottom surgery had a Neo vagina I guess they're called uh would
06:02:28
Brian Atlasit be straight then yeah okay uh no pause nothing on for you going to you chloee you said uh you disagree that it's it's not wrong or
06:02:41
Brian Atlastransphobic to not want to dat a transperson and then you were 50/50 on it's not straight for a man to date a trans
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Chloewoman I think people are entitled to their own moral beliefs and I'm not in a position to say oh you're wrong for not
06:03:00
Chloewanting to do that um but as far as whether or not it is not straight um it is for me more so dependent on if they've had the surgery so going off what you said if they've
06:03:13
Chloehad the full surgery and whatnot then I don't think I think that would be straight otherwise though it's not so much in my opinion about them being trans per se it's just if you're
06:03:25
Chloeassuming you're dating someone or seeing someone and they are trans and they have not gone through with that surgery and you engage in sexual actions with them then you're doing that I assume because
06:03:37
Chloeyou enjoy it and are attracted to them which means you're therefore then attracted to them as they are which includes their unchanged genitalia which would then lead to question are you
06:03:50
Brian Atlasfully straight because you like what you're doing and then you also did say um would you object for example to a man uh not wanting to date a trans woman
06:04:01
Chloebecause they were trans I don't think I took it as in like because they are purely trans for me both of those questions were 5050 it's
06:04:11
Brian Atlasvery dependent C you cired fully on 29 which is it's do you disagree it's not wrong or transphobic to not want to date a trans person it's not wrong or
06:04:22
Chloetransphobic if that is not what you are attracted to everyone has their preferences like I said before it's not my decision to decide whether or not it's okay for someone to you did not
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Chloemean to Circle that then it's not that I was like oh it's good for you to not date someone just because they're trans no but it wouldn't be for example if a man didn't want to date a trans person
06:04:46
Brian Atlasbecause they're trans regardless of their if they're fully transitioned let's say they're fully transitioned they still don't want to date them is there anything wrong with that I think there can be tons of reasons for that I'm not going to say someone's wrong for
06:04:58
Chloethat I wouldn't not date someone just because they are trans but there could be religious reasons there could be moral reasons maybe their family wouldn't approve and maybe that would affect them they don't want to go through that there's plenty of reasons
06:05:11
Brian Atlasokay but it wouldn't be wrong it wouldn't be completely wrong Ellen you have no opinion do you want to keep no opinion or do you want to weigh in on this one I think I'd like to keep my
06:05:23
Brian Atlasanswer uh vantika you said uh you disagree it's not straight you disagree with it's not straight for a man today to trans woman I think um it is straight
06:05:35
Brian Atlasit would be straight great for a man to date a transom okay uh and is there any differentiation between uh what if a man is dating a uh pre-op transom is that
06:05:47
Brian Atlasstill straight I would say if they're still feminine presenting yeah then um yes but still have a penis yes straight
06:05:58
Brian Atlasokay um she's up Tiffany you have no disagreements on that um I guess my confusion here whether postop pre- op
06:06:08
Brian Atlassome of you had differentials on there um and any of you are welcome to if you have oh going to you uh did you I don't know if you what your answer was to this
06:06:18
Brian Atlasno you didn't have you did not disagree on that um would you guys agree that uh homosexual means same
06:06:29
Brian Atlasseex yes yeah and straight is short form slaying for heteros seual yeah and so when we say homosexual we mean same-sex
06:06:41
Brian Atlasrelationship uh you would agree that trans people have not changed their sex correct are you saying based on surgery or so just for the just for the sake of moving the argument forward and not like
06:06:53
Brian Atlasgetting too bogged down I'm going to go ahead and Grant this isn't actually my position but I'll just grant for the sake of argument that transgender women have changed their gender so they used to be a man but now they're
06:07:06
Brian Atlasa woman their gender but you wouldn't say that they used to be male but they are now female correct they they have not changed their sex would you guys agree with
06:07:17
Brian Atlasthat uh yes yes okay so still male they're wait they're so they're a transgender woman but they're still male correct um no i'
06:07:30
Brian Atlaswould say now they're a female cuz they transitioned they're female okay um I'll get I'll before I respond to that I'll get everybody here
06:07:40
Chloeuh are they a transgender woman is she male or female by gender identity they are a female by biological identity they are a male well no by gender identity they're a woman they're not female
06:07:52
Brian Atlasfemale pertains to sex okay female woman semi interchangeable words I say these are my female friends right but I mean female points
06:08:03
Brian Atlaswhen I'm use in the context that I'm us it in fact I mean in any context male and female pertain to sex if I have TR I might call them are my part my female
06:08:14
Brian Atlasfriends I'm not going to be like these are my women friends no I just say these are my female friends it's not going to well I suppose that has to do with the flow of language less so than like the actual definition of right so I I say
06:08:27
Brian Atlasfemale and I don't tend to say woman okay assuming we're when we're talking about male and female assuming we're talking about sex do you grant that a transgender woman is not female
06:08:36
Chloebiologically due to what is all going on in their body unless in some ways they might be this weird in between cuz estrogen well there's interex but I'm not talking about interex I mean more so
06:08:48
Chloecuz parts of you change and stuff like that your hormones and stuff like that goes more female biologically when you're on estrogen so it really just depends but
06:08:59
ChloeBase by base they would be biologically male because if they had to go to the doctors and get something done or if they had something it'd be viewed on a
06:09:08
Leximale basis standpoint uh Lexi going to you um is it transgender woman are they male or female I honestly don't think I
06:09:18
Brian Atlasknow much about this topic to have an opinion okay sure that's fine um you would I mean perhaps I can reframe the question a little bit you would agree that uh when people change their gender
06:09:31
Lexithey're not changing their sex can you I I just don't know I'm not I don't really know the concrete definitions of gender and how about this um you know
06:09:42
Brian Atlaslike chromosomes right mhm yeah um is there any procedure to change your chromosomes from male to female not that I know of but uh
06:09:52
Brian AtlasCena uh transgender women are they male or female as it relates to their sex I guess the way that you said it they're
06:10:02
Giannastill male mhm what about you female they're female yes okay so they change their sex then however they see themselves as now
06:10:15
GiannaI would I would go as as well so if they see themselves as female now they're female now if they see themselves as
06:10:27
Brian Atlasfemale but what if they're not female and they're male but they see themselves as female well are they male or are they transgender F they're trans no they're transgender woman uhhuh but are they
06:10:39
Brian Atlasmale or female I would say female so if you were to do a test for example and this is a test that you can do which uh allows you to determine somebody's
06:10:48
Brian Atlaschromosomes M would they have XX or XY chromosomes they would have male chromosomes so they're male then but I would say female but you can't change your sex
06:11:05
Brian Atlasso okay how about this uh a couple more questions on this so if you're if two males are having sexual
06:11:15
Brian Atlasintercourse is that heterosexual or homosexual sex are you asking me yeah we'll go around this way if two males are having
06:11:26
Brian Atlassex is that heterosexual or is it homosexual homosexual it's homosexual okay homosexual I agree homo oh uh I guess
06:11:37
Brian Atlasyou if it's two two males if it's two males who both say they are males well so hold on it could
06:11:47
Brian Atlasbe two males one is I hate this term sis male sis man and the other is a transgender woman well then that changes it for me would that change it for the
06:11:58
Giannarest of you too no I don't know that term what's the term sis born male still male it's I don't like the term but uh like I normal
06:12:10
Brian AtlasI don't know I don't know what's appropriate but born man like a regular okay man I don't know how to not be offensive but like how do we differentiate between transgender like a
06:12:21
Brian Atlasnot transgender we have to refer to a normal male as a not transgender I don't know um man I suppose um going to you uh if two males are having sex is this
06:12:32
Brian Atlasheterosexual or homosexual if they both identify as male and then their sex as male then it is homosexual no no no they one is a man and the other is a
06:12:42
Brian Atlastransgender woman but they're both male but no it's not homosexual but they're both male medically yes biologically they're
06:12:52
Ankaboth male so just to be clear you are you arguing that you can change your sex no I guess IE I realized what I said previously I would say no from a medical standpoint you can't change your sex okay
06:13:05
Brian Atlaswell there I mean I don't think there's really any context you can change your sex cuz sex points to your you asking me earlier okay I'm just confused so like how can two
06:13:20
Brian Atlasmales who are engaged in a sexual relationship how can that ever be classed as anything but homosexual if a guy says they like
06:13:31
Brian Atlasanyone who identifies as female or are female would call I'll engage a bit further then so how do I want to frame it um is it
06:13:42
Brian Atlasstraight for a male who is not trans to have sex with a male who is a transgender woman it straight is it straight
06:13:53
Ankayes because you are saying that you like someone who is identifying as a female and presenting as a female um H that's an interesting one
06:14:09
Brian Atlasuh one sec uh what about um h a man giving oral sex to a
06:14:20
Ankatransgender woman with a penis is that heterosexual or homosexual still heterosexual I mean you're I'm my strict basis and it's not
06:14:30
Ankagoing to change no matter what position they're in is that if you like someone if I like someone that is identifying as a male or any any male then it would be
06:14:41
Brian Atlasa straight it would be straight okay so uh I guess going to you you you and you I'll ask this question also a man give just real quick so sucking your
06:14:52
Brian Atlasgirlfriend's dick is straight yes let so okay uh a man giving oral sex to a transgender woman with a
06:15:01
Chloepenis is that heterosexual or homosexual I think partially depends on are they liking it as well not I'm not questioning whether it's consensual or
06:15:14
Chloenot um you can have consensual sex but not like part of maybe someone's let's say a kink even but if he is there and genuine like he's
06:15:25
Chloegoing at that he likes doing that and he'd prefer having that rather than have her go through a surgery or something like that if he is holding the preference of I'd prefer to suck them
06:15:36
Chloeoff rather than like I'd prefer to do this then that's one thing cuz that's a little question I mean what so is a transgender woman still a woman
06:15:49
Brian Atlaspre-operative there are still a woman identifying so you said it would be straight for a a man to date a pre-operative transom right there go sexual acts between them must certainly
06:16:01
Brian Atlasalso be heterosexual right so again I asked the question a man giving oral sex to a transgender woman with a penis is that
06:16:10
Chloeheterosexual or homosexual like I said I think it depends I on what for example
06:16:17
ChloeI've known someone who is trans um they were with this guy um and there are some
06:16:25
Chloeguys who do who are basically closeted they're closeted and they're gay but they want they want a straight
06:16:35
Andrew Wilsonrelationship they want to be straight so bad help me out with something Perhaps Perhaps you guys can just assist me with this let's say a guy uh two guys are
06:16:46
Andrew Wilsongoing to engage in sex right oral sex with each other and one of them just really likes to dress up like a woman while his boyfriend does the deed the
06:16:57
Andrew Wilsonother one identifies as being a woman by while the boyfriend does the de CRA bro can you actually tell me what the threshold breaker is here for why that's not literally the exact same
06:17:09
Chloething because for the trans person that's their life that's their daytoday that's not them dressing up for an act or something like that whereas for the
06:17:19
Andrew Wilsonmale it's just a kink yeah but I mean I don't understand the ACT seems to me to be the exact same act no because they're doing that just
06:17:32
Chloecuz that's their it's not their prefence it's not that they're like oh I am a woman they just enjoy dressing and are you wait are you asking are you saying they like to specifically dress up as woman during a guy dresses up like a
06:17:44
Andrew Wilsonwoman and has another guy suck his dick and then a woman or I'm sorry a uh another man dresses up like a woman the exact same way but then says I actually believe I am one and a guy sucks his
06:17:55
Chloedick how are they both not gay I don't I don't get that I assure the trans woman goes about their day-to-day life dress as a woman whereas if this guy were to go into work he's probably not dressed like a woman so the only difference is
06:18:08
Chloethe self-identification self identification their day-to-day life that they have that trans wom have to harshly commit to having that let's test and see if this is true so let us assume for a moment
06:18:20
Andrew Wilsonthat there's a man who does not identify as a woman but dresses all day long as a woman and acts as though he is a woman is he a woman not if he doesn't identify that way well then it's just a matter of
06:18:30
Andrew Wilsonself ID so this would mean that I could literally roll over in the middle of the night and my wife could be like I'm a man and she would be one well there also
06:18:40
Andrew Wilsoncomes body I would be I would be engaged in homosexual sex if my wife said I identify as a man in the middle of sex would I then be a homosexual I would question the timing
06:18:52
Andrew Wilsonof her bringing that up why well but but I don't understand if a man can spend his entire day dressed as a woman doing all the things a woman does but not identify as a woman and he's not but another man can do the the exact same
06:19:05
Chloething and the only difference is he identifies as a woman then the only thing that makes you a woman is that you identify as one well but it's not a choice you just have always felt that way prove it prove it's not a choice
06:19:17
Chloepeople as young as like eight or nine have said and express that they are not the gender they were born as does that me oh I see so let me let me get this correct I just want to make sure I got
06:19:29
Andrew Wilsonthis right uh do kids lie and are they often confused about sexual matters not like that yeah like that how would you know how many kids have you had zero like when you were a kid there wasn't
06:19:42
Chloekids who were around who had all sorts of questions about sex and were super confused about all sorts of different things in regards to sex I didn't have kids myself no but I have a plethora of younger siblings who are quite young
06:19:53
Andrew Wilsonstill even now and know and they have no confusion whatsoever about what sex is how it works nothing like that they just have it all figured out huh they don't they just came out of the womb knowing about sex and how it all
06:20:05
Andrew WilsonI mean to be fair when you have that many siblings you kind of know how it works okay gotcha so if it all comes down to self ID why couldn't somebody
06:20:15
Andrew Wilsonjust in the middle of their Journey as being a woman literally decide right there on the spot to take the wig off and dress in men's clothes and not be a
06:20:26
Chloeman because are you saying that it's a random decision they've made or you I'm asking you a question if a man was going through their life uh acting as though he was a woman doing all the things that you think a woman
06:20:38
Andrew Wilsondoes and then in the middle of that Journey decided to take off the wig and the dress and and put on khakis instead and act in every way a man
06:20:49
Chloedoes wouldn't he be a man then well the thing is they're not you say acting but they're not acting if you truly are trans that's not an act you're putting on how would anybody ever be able to
06:21:00
TTS Readerknow Ole donated $200 is the entire point of the left's views on this that gender and sex are different because one is immutable sex
06:21:10
TTS Readerwhere gender is fluid but now they're saying you can change chromosomes wdf it's just rare to hear I mean even
06:21:19
Brian Atlaslike trans activists don't make the claim that you can change your sex um so I just find that an interesting argument I guess you guys offend people but
06:21:30
TTS Readerlibertariat donated $200 thank you man appreciate grinding way in RFC in the guild but anyone here can see chair five is a Pik me trying to pretend that her bangs look cute damns are to cover up my
06:21:43
Brian Atlasfamily's Notorious BIG forehead they're not cute they're cover up sh rip RP Andrew did you have more or yeah just just very briefly we'll uh we'll wrap it up very quickly if it's
06:21:55
Andrew Wilsonall based around self-identification why then if a man or if a person was going through life as though they were a man and said this is my my identity and everything that I
06:22:06
Andrew Wilsonthink my identity is and then halfway through go oh wait you know what it's actually not and then put on khakis in a shirt wouldn't he then be a man if that's what they choose and they
06:22:18
Chloediscover that later on then sure then all that really makes you a man or a woman is if you say you are if you say you are and then put in the work to go about your life as that gender okay so
06:22:30
Andrew Wilsonthen that would mean that if you wanted to be an elf all you would need to do is go out to the forest and make yourself a bow in a little house and call you know call yourself a Sor and you could you
06:22:39
Andrew Wilsoncould be an elf right why couldn't you be elves don't exist well wait wait wait I'm sorry uh if a man can be a woman the
06:22:48
Andrew Wilsonwoman X here hang on the woman does not actually exist the man exists and is saying they are a woman and if they are a Woman based on the fact they ID as one that we have now made a woman who was
06:23:01
Chloenot a woman before why couldn't we make an elf to put it in retrospect in this world we live in in this plane we call the universe and the Earth there is men they exist there are women they exist
06:23:13
Andrew Wilsonelves don't exist in this realm of universe yeah but do you agree with me that a woman who does not exist does not exist I don't agree you don't agree that a woman who does not exist does not
06:23:25
Andrew Wilsonexist so a woman who does not exist exists if someone is trans no no answer my question don't refrain it actually answer it does woman who does not exist
06:23:36
Andrew Wilsonexist yes that's a literal contradiction the thing is if you're trans by the way that's a that's a violation of the laws of logic the law
06:23:47
Andrew Wilsonof non-contradiction it's incoherent it's nonsensical you might as well you might as well say something uh like um you know the uh the the Sun and Mars and the Earth are all the same thing you
06:23:59
Andrew Wilsonmight as I mean it's total incoherent Babel let me ask you again can a woman who does not exist exist if
06:24:09
Chloeyou are wording it like that then yes but in my opinion trans women are always women they have been women since birth their sex may be male they may
06:24:20
Chloehave XY chromosomes but typically if you are a transwoman you have always felt that way you've had body dismorphia your whole life and you have always been a woman
06:24:32
ChloeInside what's a woman that's for every woman to
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Chloedecide what's a dog a dog is a dog yeah what is that though an animal okay what what what else is it give me a
06:24:50
TTS Readerdefinition of a dog I got to let this in really quick think about the definition though Mrs Ogle donated $200 Mrs we I'll be changing my gender call me Mrs oel
06:25:00
Brian Atlasnow please there you go all right good to uh nouns she her they them just real quick what's the definition of a dog oh he's back again I'll give you
06:25:12
Brian Atlasmore time on the the dog definition okay just
06:25:18
TTS Readercuz who's back again what are you talking about Ogle's about to come back in on the do Ogle donated $200 than since they think immutable characteristics like sex are now
06:25:30
TTS Readermodifiable based on what one feels can they say if it's possible to transition from white to black Grace as one feels throughout the day I mean since the beginning of this I have said
06:25:41
Chloebiologically sex-wise they are still male I'm talking about gender identity that's what I've been saying the entire time can someone change their race no okay well I understand what if they
06:25:53
Andrew Wilsonidentify as not being the race that they are you are the race that you are unless you have some czy why are you the race that you are and you can't identify as the race that you're not hang on let me ask the question
06:26:04
Andrew Wilsonwhy is it that you have to be the race you are and can't identify as the race you're not even though you might have been born experiencing everything that you think that that race
06:26:14
Andrew Wilsonexperiences you can be culturally one thing but not racially another thing okay so then you can be a trans woman but not a real you're not a real woman
06:26:25
Andrew Wilsonis that is that the same logic there no okay well then you I'm so confused again I'm sorry why am I not black how come I'm not black you have a black
06:26:37
Chloewife Andrew yeah I'm a black ex-wife but why am I not black ex-wife my bad I guess you weren blessed like that I
06:26:45
Andrew Wilsondon't know you don't know why I'm not black you you actually don't know why I'm not black really I just want to make sure that we're clear you don't know why
06:26:57
ChloeI'm not black I feel like stupid questions get stupid answers like ask a stupid question get a stupid answer so
06:27:05
Andrew Wilsonare you black no how do you know because I know yeah how I look at myself in the mirror oh okay so through this features your your features that you can clearly
06:27:17
Chloesee that you cannot change you are that thing right mhm can you then change so can you ever be black if you let's do a
06:27:28
Chloehypothetical extreme if you were to undergo a crazy amount of proceed ERS to try and achieve a look of a certain race
06:27:39
Chloeyou still would not look that race because you would be so botched up there that's so no you can't you can't okay well let's do the hypothetical the other
06:27:48
Andrew Wilsonway if you could do all sorts of surgeries and look like that race and I can give you examples where people have done this would you then be that race
06:27:58
Andrew Wilsonbut you can't yeah but if you could but you can't yeah but if you could though I'm not going to answer it completely you're not going to answer because it destroys your whole stupid ass position
06:28:09
Andrew Wilsonso real quick it doesn't destroy my position get a bunch of surgeries done that would change your race would you then or change the appearance of the race everybody who saw you would
06:28:20
Andrew Wilsonperceive you as being a black person instead of a white person and medical technology had gone far enough that they could cosmetically make you look that way would you then be black it doesn't
06:28:30
Andrew Wilsonexist can you answer my question I just did hypothetical the entailment about hypothetical is not whether it exists or not whether it to test the logic of whether your logic exists or not so I
06:28:41
Chloewant to see if your logic exists re ask me the question when that becomes the case and that becomes the thing that the case if it were the case that this could happen would you then be that thing or
06:28:53
Brian Atlasnot re ask me when it comes to fruition why would that have anything to do with the answer to the question because I'm not going don't weasel just answer the question stop weing did you said no you the question by saying when that becomes
06:29:05
Brian Atlasa possibility it's a hypothetical I'm not going to think Super existed would bepr it's not worth my thoughts yes if Superman existed would he be bulletproof it's not worth your thoughts because it destroys your worldview no because it's
06:29:18
Andrew Wilsonnot something that can currently happen so I have no need to think about it okay great great that's fine if Superman existed would he be bulletproof he doesn't exist if leprechauns existed would they
06:29:30
Andrew Wilsonhave a pot of gold they don't exist if unicorns existed would they have a horn they don't exist got it got it hang on if a rocket
06:29:43
Andrew Wilsonship existed that could take us to Mars would you go on it she's when one comes to be made I might so you can't answer if a rocket
06:29:54
Andrew Wilsonship existed that was going to go to Mars would you go on it you can't answer that cuz a rocket ship currently does not exist that goes to Mars really no I wouldn't be able to answer I don't know ever Envision any sort of non-existent
06:30:06
Andrew WilsonTechnology how people would use technology that doesn't exist how anything in the world that's not created right now could ever be created if we could if we all we did was go well it doesn't exist cuz I don't need it
06:30:18
Andrew Wilsondoesn't hey you know what I want to do I want to make this uh this kind of invisible cabled system where people can instantly send messages to each other oh yeah well that doesn't
06:30:29
Andrew Wilsonexist like does that does that make any coherent sense to you at all and those people can do that and I cannot because it doesn't exist because I don't want
06:30:40
Andrew Wilsonto do do you have any dead family members sure do you ever talk about them no why not cuz they don't exist