HEATED DEBATE With California Boss Babe Feminists?! Andrew Wilson! Goth Dating?! | Dating Talk #215
Date: 2024-11-25
Duration: 9h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Lexi(guest)
SPEAKER_03Anka(guest)
SPEAKER_04Tiffany(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ellen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Gianna(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_12Pa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Chloe(guest)
SPEAKER_14Cena(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:14
IntroBrian Atlas opens the show with announcements: BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit, WoW guild on Nightslayer realm, Molten Core raid Dec 12.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:03:20
IntroGianna introduces herself: 18, LA, model, studying psychology online at City College.
“hi I'm gaana I'm from Los Angeles I'm 18 and I'm a model”
00:03:51
IntroCena introduces herself: 18, Canada (Montreal), does OnlyFans, studying engineering. Brian notes she's a returning guest.
“hi I'm Cena I'm 18 my occupation I do only fan and I'm in school for engineering”
00:09:09
IntroChloe introduces herself: 20, lives in South Korea (only here temporarily), model and dancer, studied psychology in university.
“my name is yoa I'm 20 years old I live down in Korea so I actually I'm only here temporarily”
00:13:13
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, political analyst.
“my name is uh Andrew Wilson I'm the host of the Cru Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm political analyst”
00:32:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she's never officially been in a relationship, has a graveyard in her phone (changes exes to tombstones). Reveals her 4-year non-relationship was toxic/abusive. He cheated with her best friend while she was pregnant. She put water in his gas tank. Has a 3-year-old son.
“I have like a graveyard in my phone I don't know if anyone's seen that like once you're gone like you get three tombstones”
00:41:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she has had 2 abortions, was supposed to get a third but the ex never took her to the appointment (Missouri, abortion was illegal). Son's father told her if something happened to their son (who had a heart murmur) it was 'on my watch.' No child support, no contact.
“I wasn't supposed to I was supposed to get an abortion um oh and it didn't happen so”
00:51:00
Key MomentPa reveals her ankle injury: occurred during an upside-down 69 position (standing 69 → straddle handstand) with her 7-year situationship guy. Tripped over nightstand. Tells her boss a different story (tripped over a curb).
“he was just grabbing me me off from the bed um and because of I guess the like amount of drinks that we've had”
00:54:42
Key MomentChloe reveals she has Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, is blind in her left eye, went to hospital after sex ruptured an ovarian cyst. Graduated high school at 14.
“I'm tiny and um I'm like barely 53 and I have a genetic disorder”
01:09:00
QuoteTiffany on men liking submissive women: 'I don't think they have to but they usually do — men like to provide.' She also argues from 'Why Men Love Bitches' that overly submissive women bore men and men cheat. Andrew disagrees strongly.
“I think men should pay okay um I think I don't think they have to but they usually do”
01:31:20
Key MomentDebate: Zuckerberg (Facebook/Instagram) vs Tim Stokely (OnlyFans) — who caused more harm? Andrew: definitely OnlyFans, produces nothing good, creates parasocial relationships with lonely men. Alyssa and Cena defend OnlyFans. Most guests say Facebook.
“definitely only fans has done more damage”
01:51:40
QuotePa on having a party where she invited all 7 men she'd slept with and made them all wear pink to identify them — without them knowing.
“I only invited seven wait so seven dude was there an orgy afterwards”
02:00:00
ControversyChloe claims she witnessed two friends get shot by police in Jennings, MO at age 13 during Fight Club roughhousing. Andrew challenges the story vigorously, offers $500 for proof, says it would have been national news. Brian says Jennings is rough and takes her word.
“I have seen probably two people with my own eyes but then I have seen in passing as in like heard from everyone”
02:33:20
Key MomentPa's 7-year situationship guy confessed 'I think I'm in love with you' while they were together (he was drunk). She said 'ask me sober' — he hasn't. He then dropped off a book for her the morning of the show.
“he literally just whispered I think I like he said I think I'm in love with you”
03:04:50
Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Guests rate themselves 1-10. Gianna: 9. Cena: 8. Lexi: 7.5. Pa: 6.9-7.2. Chloe: 8. Ellen: 7. Anka: refused. Alyssa: 8.5. Tiffany: 8. Andrew: 10 (non-objective confidence). Discord sends AI-aged forward photos of each guest.
“go ahead I would say a decent 8.7 nine maybe I'll say nine”
03:37:42
Key MomentRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) joins via Discord. Delivers detailed argument for homeschooling, stay-at-home motherhood, and birth rate concerns. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good; all said yes. Then asks if staying home is a privilege; all said yes. Rachel points out the contradiction. Asks who would choose babies over career if humanity died out otherwise.
“hello ladies hey Brian thanks for having me on”
04:11:10
QuoteAnka's most quotable moment: 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, it's a fair trade-off.' (Later partially walked back.)
“so if it was like the man's going to me... I'd rather choose being mauled”
04:31:40
Key MomentBow video segment: Brian plays video of ex-girlfriend bowing and cooking dinner. Goes around table asking who would bow for their man. Only Tiffany semi-concedes. Brian argues bow takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
“boom huge bow huge bow and then you know she scampers to get the laundry done after”
05:09:00
ControversyAnka says 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, that's a fair trade-off' during Rachel's career-vs-babies hypothetical. Chat erupts. Ogle donates saying she's 'disqualified herself from any future partner live on air.' Anka later clarifies she was partly trolling/rage-baiting.
“if it was like oh whatever I do says you know then Humanity's off but like I mean I'm doing what I want to do”
05:17:20
ControversyAnka estimates 50% of men in a forest and 40% of men alone in a room would assault her. Brian challenges the math (66 million American men). Andrew asks if she'd choose assured death over a random man in the forest — she says yes. Extended bear vs man vs velociraptor vs T-rex debate.
“I would say like in the forest if we're talking about just in the forest it's a 50/50”
06:02:21
Key MomentTrans debate: is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Gianna, Anka say yes (straight regardless of surgery). Andrew and Brian argue two males having sex is homosexual by definition. Chloe nuanced (depends on surgery/genuine attraction). Brian sarcastically asks guests to 'affirm his identity' as being correct.
“so just to be clear uh would you guys agree that uh homosexual means same sex”
08:00:00
ControversyAt end of show, Chloe admits she was partly rage-baiting during the show after realizing it was political/debate-oriented rather than a light dating show. Says roughly half her extreme positions were genuine and half were trolling.
“I made a decision when I was going to come on here that if this is one of those rage bait more so political ones then I was just going to act just as rage baity”
Topics Discussed
00:03:20
Introductions & Relationship Status
Guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Round of relationship statuses including Chloe's Korea story, Pa's 7-year situationship, Alyssa's abusive ex and child, Tiffany's long-distance relationship. Also covers Pa's ankle injury (sexual stunt).
00:51:00
Sex-Related Injuries & Health Stories
Pa's ankle fracture from upside-down-69 stunt. Chloe's ovarian cyst from sex (Ehlers-Danlos syndrome). Discussion of EDS symptoms.
00:56:10
Men Losing Weight / Loose Skin
TTS question about a man who lost 360lbs with loose skin — would guests date him? Mixed answers; Chloe says she wouldn't due to fear of them regaining weight.
00:59:55
Chloe's Korea Life & Family Background
Chloe discusses living in South Korea, her unusual family (mom on 5th husband, 23 siblings), why she can't date white men, debate with Andrew about sibship/dating logic.
01:13:20
Feminist Identity & Core Values
Do guests identify as feminist? Andrew's definition (egalitarianism). What are guests' core values? What do they bring to the table? Discussion of ideal man attributes.
01:24:20
OnlyFans vs Facebook — Societal Harm
TTS question: has Mark Zuckerberg or Tim Stokely (OnlyFans founder) done more harm? Andrew argues OnlyFans produces nothing good; Cena defends OnlyFans as helping lonely men.
02:43:00
Democracy vs Abortion & Political Questions
Would you support a bill tying abortion rights to military draft eligibility? Who's pro-life vs pro-choice? Would you choose democracy or abortion rights? Most chose democracy. Chloe says she doesn't like the US democracy.
03:04:50
Self-Ratings & Aging Attractiveness
Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Discussion of whether they'll be more attractive in 10/20/30 years. AI aging forward images shown. Self-ratings: Gianna 9, Cena 8, Lexi 7.5, Alyssa 8.5, Tiffany 8, Pa 6.9-7.2, Chloe 8, Andrew 10 (joke), Ellen 7.
03:37:42
Rachel Wilson on Homeschooling & Feminism
Andrew's wife Rachel Wilson calls in. Advocates homeschooling as superior (Tucker Carlson appearance). Argues feminism has led to birth rate collapse. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good, and if staying home is privilege. Heated exchange with Anka about career vs motherhood duty. Rachel argues society is unsustainable if women don't have children.
04:22:00
Who Should Pay on the First Date / Bow Video
Brian plays bow video of ex-girlfriend. Would guests bow for their man? None (except Tiffany conditionally). Debate about first-date paying norms — most expect men to pay. Brian's argument: bowing takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
05:09:00
Abortion, Women's Rights, Child Support
Do women have equal rights to men? Anka argues abortion is the one area of inequity. Brian points out men have zero reproductive rights. Debate: can a man legally avoid child support? Should taxpayers pay? Andrew's body-our-choice vs responsibility argument. Extended back-and-forth.
05:17:20
Man vs Bear Question
Would you rather encounter a random man or random bear alone in a forest? Chloe, Ellen, Alyssa, Anka chose bear. Gianna, Cena, Lexi, Pa, Tiffany chose man. Anka estimates 40% of men would assault her. Extended Velociraptor/T-Rex variants. Debate about whether bear-preference is sexist.
06:02:21
Trans Identity Debate
Is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Most guests say yes (pre-op too). Brian and Andrew argue biologically two males having sex is homosexual. Chloe most nuanced; says depends on surgery and genuine attraction. Guests define "what is a woman." Extended philosophical debate with Andrew about self-ID logic.
07:59:00
Body Count Discussion
Is it hypocritical for a high-body-count man to require a low-body-count woman? Chloe says yes. Brian disagrees — asymmetrical attraction is not hypocrisy. Body count round: Gianna 0-5, Cena 3, Lexi 2, Pa 50-60, Chloe under 5, Ellen very low (0-3), Alyssa 100+ (stopped counting), Tiffany 0 (virgin), Anka declined.
08:00:00
Roast Session & Wrap-Up
TTS roast session at $20 threshold. Roasts directed at each chair. Chloe admits she was rage-baiting some answers when she realized the show was political. Final body count round. Brian thanks panelists. Wrap-up and raid.
Transcript
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02:46:21
Chloesomeone down for wanting to stay more traditional and not be a part of a feministic movement are you feminist I don't do action supporting one way or another I
02:46:33
Ellenjust live my life all right uh what about you I think I'd also have to think about a little bit more but could I answer the second part of that what was it like comment thing it was like talking more about like political views
02:46:46
Brian Atlasand who's the person you mean the previous or no yeah the previous like comment it was well there was a question that came we didn't go all the way around the table we kind of started talking about America I think the
02:46:56
Brian Atlasquestion was uh democracy or abortion so I don't think you had a chance to answer on that I don't think she's talking about that she's talking about that to I know but why don't we just finish up that one then since she reminded me I don't think I have a comment on that one
02:47:09
Brian Atlaseither you got to participate though to some degree in the show I mean this is the second time you I can participate because I want to talk about the education because the educ we've already moved off of the do you mean the education
02:47:20
Andrew Wilsonhomeschooling Brian Rachel did say that she'd like to take the seat and uh discuss this very issue with the with the denters uh if you'd like to see that I'm happy to bring her down yeah I want
02:47:33
Brian Atlasto we can do that I just want to get through get caught up on the chats no problem I'm just letting you know sure we can do that um so you had you wanted to talk about the what like education
02:47:44
Andrew Wilsonlike homeschooling versus um public school education and that Andrew that's what Rachel wanted to come talk yeah well that because that moves into the broader idea um as the gal said to I
02:47:56
Andrew Wilsonthink from your perspective to your right she had said listen we're talking about optimals and this type of thing um that's because basically it opens up a kind of broader conversation on the
02:48:08
Andrew Wilsontopic which is directly related to feminism and the idealism behind it uh yeah we can come back to that but so I guess finishing up democracy or abortion
02:48:19
Brian Atlasabortion okay I don't know what the question was oh if you so okay uh I guess if you had to choose you can have
02:48:29
Brian Atlasone or the other you can keep democracy but you lose rights to abortion or you can keep rights to abortion but you lose democracy abortion Tiffany I don't really care
02:48:42
Brian Atlasabout either but I would go with democracy wait why don't you care you you don't care about democracy just curious why no not really because you're like a nationalist or wait not a national uh you're a some people's
02:48:53
Tiffanyopinions matter more like a person who doesn't even know what the difference between a country and a state is
02:49:01
Tiffanyshouldn't be having the same weight on their vote for their vote okay okay that's how it is in the US so what
02:49:12
Brian Atlasabout me yeah on this question democracy or abortion uh de uh well I mean like I don't know kind of like if we got rid of democracy and then I could just be dictator that would
02:49:23
Brian Atlasbe kind of cool so I guess like I'd be down to be a dictator like authoritarian or whatever me too so I'm like kind of if it's me that gets to become like the author authoritarian dictator what if no
02:49:35
Brian Atlasyou don't you don't get to be just live there yeah I don't know that's a hard one then uh I guess just like keep democracy then if I had to pick between one or the other um I'll move it on just
02:49:46
Brian Atlasfor the sake of time uh I did have one note here this came up in a previous conversation we won't linger long uh you spent time in Korea there's this uh thing that kind of propped up here
02:49:59
Chloerecently in the US related to something that's going on in Korea the 4B movement are you familiar with this at all I stay as far away from politics and anything to do with them as possible so I'll move
02:50:11
Brian Atlason then uh we do have a couple chats coming in there's quite a few guys sorry I'm trying to get to them as quick as possible I'm just uh we got this
02:50:19
TTS Readertimore stokeley uncore himself donated $200 what factors in your view have led to declining birth rates in developed countries is this for the whole panel
02:50:31
Brian Atlaswhat factors in your view have man you're asking some uh this this okay what factors in your view
02:50:42
Brian Atlasporn porn feminism anybody else want to weigh in why why are the birth there's only one
02:50:51
Andrew Wilsonthere's just one factor say it's very simple to prioritization in Western Nations and in other nations adjacent to Western Nations that prioritize
02:51:03
Andrew Wilsoneducation during women's reproductive years rather than prioritizing reproduction that's it that's the that's the whole the sum of the entire game that's it
02:51:21
Brian Atlasall right Tim stokeley appreciate the TTS thank you very much we have one from our good friend LOL paladins hail and well met God LOL paladins donated $200 and2 thank you man just want to point
02:51:33
TTS Readerout the obvious craziness of this if a black 13-year-old was shot by police it would be national news she didn't see anything she is so full of
02:51:43
Brian Atlasit that's what happened right yes was it a white police officer yes yes well how long ago was it when I was about 13 so
02:51:52
Brian Atlaslike was it before before the uh Co was like 2019 it was before
02:52:01
Brian AtlasCo white officer shoots it 13-year-old black kid who was rough housing with his
02:52:13
Chloefriends is there a news article we could maybe find on this or was it just not it wasn't reported without putting out the name of somebody whose family I'm sure wants the situation to be respected no I
02:52:24
Brian Atlasmean if it's already like a public you don't have to share it but I mean if it's already out there in the public it's already out there in the public but that's totally fine we have a couple more chats coming through here we
02:52:35
Brian Atlashave L paladins how dare you support women feeding their children Andrew you mis you disgusting misogynist they should have total freedom to go work for a corporation while a man stays at home
02:52:47
Andrew Wilsongiving them formula purchased with her money all right well this is this is the idea it's like okay Little Johnny don't worry uh mommy needed to work so that's why I sent you out with Venezuela and
02:52:59
Andrew Wilsonyou have all of these inflammation issues in your body right it seems like um seems like a very stupid thing to do um and I did I mean I made the insistence uh yeah definitely wanted to
02:53:10
Andrew Wilsonsee my kids at home and I wanted to make sure that they were breastfed absolutely so that they didn't have those types of issues all right we have TTS coming in
02:53:19
TTS Readerhere three more Tracy on tilt donated $200 thank you Tracy Andrew your wife is a Savage I strive to be as great of a woman that she is and she is a role
02:53:30
TTS Readermodel to women like me it's great to see a woman like her defending our beliefs in this modern world Yo Tracy on til thank you so much for the uh TTS I really appreciate itel
02:53:42
Brian AtlasRachel's great she's always been great yeah uh so thank you Tracy on tilt I that name's familiar did you DM us recently uh but thank you so much really appreciate it we have three chats coming
02:53:51
Brian Atlasin here uh we have Joe Murphy he says Cena can I have you read the hundreds ladies you can catch a refund
02:54:01
Cenaon the first couple of 50/50 dates once offering sexual access about about about and children cont contrary contrary to
02:54:12
Cenapopular sexual Revolution you might you might land a good man for life
02:54:22
Brian Atlasthank you Joe Murphy that was beautiful I agree you got to hit the bow definitely hit the bow on the first should we uh B we'll do the bow video a little later but uh okay Joe Murphy he also says go ahead Cena the issue with
02:54:34
Cenafeminist group think you can't be a rockstar mother and have a career it's impossible choose one mission to maximize your ability if you're mission is to be the best mother that's from Joe Murphy thank you for the Super Chat man
02:54:46
Brian Atlasreally appreciate it thank you um any disagreements from any of the panelists
02:54:52
Ellenhere but what's a definition of like the best mother because I think my mom works and that made me a better person because I see that she's ambitious and career-driven MH and one question on that uh what that would make me feel
02:55:06
Brian Atlaslike [ __ ] make me feel like she was prioritizing career over me well are your your parents are still together yes uh and both of them work yes and do they in terms of uh the income brought to the
02:55:18
Brian Atlashousehold is it about the same your dad more your mom more um my dad makes more dad makes more okay and she works full-time she does and what about when you were young do you have
02:55:29
Ellensiblings no I'm an only child just you okay yeah uh was she working full-time even when you were younger or what was your experience growing up I think she took off time for like maternity leave
02:55:42
Brian Atlasuh but she was working like majority of my childh so prior to having you she was working full-time yeah she was what her job uh she works for the school district uh is she like a secretary or what does she
02:55:53
Ellenlike a counselor what does she do no she works she like manages um like a foreign language program okay and she's working full-time yeah okay and how how much
02:56:03
Brian Atlastime did she take off a year I'm not quite sure how took off all right um Andrew it sounded like you maybe had something or yeah so I was just saying the I
02:56:16
Andrew Wilsonunderstand there could be circumstances where women need to work for the production of income for a household there's no doubt about that um and by necessity I think that good moms of course will do that what I'm saying is
02:56:26
Andrew Wilsonthat if they don't actually have to work they don't have to they're hedging their bets against their own future thinking that it's possible that there could be a divorce something like this they want to fall back on some income or career that
02:56:38
Andrew Wilsonthey have then they're prioritizing themselves over the future of their own children and I think that that's uh in many ways despicable
02:56:48
Ellenbut I think my mom like I feel like the fact that she had a job not only made me realized that you know I need to be ambitious and want like a great career
02:57:01
Ellenin the future as well but then she also had the time to take care of me um that's not possible why is that not possible how many hours a week does your mom
02:57:11
Andrew Wilsonwork um like probably like the standard like8 to five okay so she works8 to five which means that she had to Outsource your care from at least the hours of age
02:57:21
Ellento five right okay but when you say Outsource yes somebody else besides her had to do it between the hours of 8 to 5 so okay so my grandma raised me from
02:57:32
Ellenthose hours that she wasn't home why is that why is that optimal why is that optimal as opposed to your own mother because she is a great woman too that
02:57:42
Elleninfluenced my beliefs and why can't that be optimal for somebody else to was it necessary like did she necessarily need to work in order to support you or was
02:57:54
Ellenit a choice that she made because she wanted the extra income I don't think well she always told me this I don't think she wanted to work because of the extra income because quite frankly we were okay financially but yeah well then
02:58:07
Ellenwhy was she prioritizing that over you that's weird because because work gives you a sense of fulfillment in terms of raising your own children but she did raise me so you want to work you in the
02:58:19
Ellenfuture so that you you said your grandma raised you I think my mom or my mom worked right and she gave me seeing her work and also being able to raise me and
02:58:31
Andrew Wilsonspend time with me didn't she didn't raise you she outsourced half of your raising to somebody else or more she did raise me you're defining raising as 100%
02:58:42
Andrew Wilsonyour grandma at least raised you from the hours of 9 to 5 right and she was a great influencer so that she wasn't not saying that your grandma wasn't a great influence okay I'm just saying that she
02:58:53
Andrew Wilsonoutsourced your raising to a person who was not her from at least the hours of 9:00 to 5:00 right but you're saying that what is optimal can you answer my question before you ask me one sorry could you repeat the question one more
02:59:05
Andrew Wilsontime your grandma raised you at least from the hours of 9:00 in the morning to 5:00 in the evening is that correct correct so then somebody beside your mom
02:59:15
Andrew Wilsonwas actually raising you between at at least most of the block of the day correct okay correct so if that is the case then I don't know what you're disputing with me saying that your
02:59:27
Ellengrandma's a good person I'm not disputing that Grandma's probably awesome I understand that but you're saying that out or not Outsourcing is
02:59:36
Andrew Wilsonoptimal yes that would have been optimal for you correct but I think Outsourcing was the optimal way to raise me because why why would why so you're saying that you would prefer to have had less time
02:59:49
Andrew Wilsonwith your mother during your formative years I'm not saying I would have rather had less time but I also so would you have rather had more time with your mother or less time with your mother I was happy the way I grew up because yeah can you answer my question though can would you rather have less time with
03:00:02
Andrew Wilsonyour mother in your formative years or more time with your mother in your formative years there's no less or more I was happy with what I had so you can't answer my question right because the answer is you'd rather have more time
03:00:14
Ellenwith your mother during your formative years than you know it right I no but I actually liked that my grandma raised me because now I have an established relationship with my grandma that I would have an established relationship with your grandma anyway what guarantee
03:00:28
Ellenis that if she didn't raise me your grandma wouldn't have come and visited you cuz your mom stayed home with you or what but I had a deeper connection with my grandma because I spent those yeah see that's the problem right that's the bad thing it's like that deeper
03:00:40
Andrew Wilsonconnection aspect when you say have deeper connection with Grandma than I have than I have potentially with my own mother right so that's the thing that I'm disputing here it's like I'm not saying that your Grandma's not a wonderful person and didn't do
03:00:52
Andrew Wilsoneverything she could possibly do to raise you I'm not saying anything like that at all I'm just pointing out that if a woman is to prioritize Outsourcing your care to somebody else then it sounds like she's not prioritizing you
03:01:05
Andrew Wilsonshe's letting somebody else prioritize you because and I think that that's ultimately fairly selfish but you can prioritize multiple things why do you have to just yes you
03:01:15
Ellencan but I think that a good mother prioritize her children above all things I I can see your perspective I may not necessarily agree with it but yeah I think that that's fair like
03:01:27
Andrew Wilsonlisten I understand that people come from all different walks of life and have all sorts of contributing circumstances to how they were raised I most certainly did I had a stay-at-home dad rather than a stay-at-home mom
03:01:38
Andrew Wilsonbecause my father had multiple sclerosis he couldn't work so so he stayed at home with me and that those are the best years of my life he was a he was a
03:01:46
Andrew Wilsonfantastic father uh this type of thing but always one of my parents was was at home to take care of us and the reason that that was so important uh rather
03:01:57
Andrew Wilsonthan Outsourcing is because they valued us more than they valued at any external gains so that's that's just my perspective I see your perspective and I
03:02:08
Brian Atlascan respect it you mentioned that uh because your mom worked she was a figure there in terms of you saw her ambition
03:02:18
Brian Atlasshe I suppose wanted to instill ambition in you um you know since we are talking about dating here I always found this interesting because uh women are attracted to men who are
03:02:31
Brian Atlasambitious and then I I think women tend to think that well I'm attracted to this in men airo there's a symmetry there in terms of what men certainly must find
03:02:42
Brian Atlasattractive in me or in women um do you think that when it comes to finding a partner uh your ambition or success or
03:02:53
Ellenuh career goals will make you more attractive to men oh for me yeah um I don't think I am ambitious for men I'm just ambitious that's not what I'm
03:03:03
Brian Atlasasking though you're ambitious for yourself right I am okay but you're saying like do you think it makes me more attractive right in the way that like for example I think that when it for women uh a man who's a doctor just
03:03:16
Brian Atlasby simply virtue of him being being a doctor because of the status because of the money that comes with it he's going to just be deemed as a more attractive partner to women uh wholesale whereas
03:03:27
Brian Atlasit's not clear to me if a woman who's a doctor if that's going to be like a substantial like that's going to be like make men really attracted to her in the same way that a man who's a doctor is
03:03:40
Ellengoing to be like really attractive to women can I uh intrude for one second well I'll have her answer but then I'll let you go ahead so go ahead yeah I think or me being ambitious makes me
03:03:51
Ellenattractive to Men to Men how so um well I guess it just kind of depends like I feel like I'm
03:04:00
Ellengeneralizing um but yeah like that I'm hardworking and that I have goals I think that's attracted I think that's an attractive trait either
03:04:10
Ellenway your goals are uh related to your career though correct I mean it can be any type type of goals it can be like health goals it can be career goals it
03:04:21
Brian Atlascan be family goals okay what are your family goals um how many kids do you want I want two I think okay yeah do you
03:04:32
Ellenknow when you'd like to get married and have children by um probably like you want to get married I do like my late 20s maybe early 30s early
03:04:43
Gianna30s okay you had something on this uh yes so I was thinking that men and what they do doesn't
03:04:53
Giannanecessarily make us attracted to them so I don't really think that it applies to us either what do you mean like them having such a high job but let's say they're horrible people we won't find
03:05:05
Giannathem attractive them having not such a good job but still good but not being good people let me ask you a question do you know who Chris Brown is yeah I do this man has he's wealthy very high
03:05:17
Brian Atlasstatus yes he also has a history of alleged domestic violence do you think he has a shortage of women who are attracted to him I think so I'm not attracted to him yeah well just because
03:05:28
Brian Atlasyou're attracted really yes you you realize there are women who pay like thousands of dollars just to take a photograph with him I'm sure but I don't think that's all women sure it's
03:05:38
Brian Atlasnot all women but like you said well these men with a lot of status but they're horrible airG go this precludes them from from having romantic
03:05:48
Brian Atlasor sexual interest from women it's clear despite like the like mountains of news reporting uh and look I I don't know the full details of the allegations towards
03:06:00
Brian AtlasChris Brown in any case uh it does seem to be the narrative that he he did uh attack Rihanna or whatever um and perhaps other women I don't know all the
03:06:11
Giannadetails um so you would say he's a horrible person no I would say that career and that that statement that
03:06:23
Brian Atlasyou made is not necessarily based on based on what on men you think so just to be clear your position is women do not find men with
03:06:34
Brian Atlasstatus attractive not all no well I'm not saying I'm not making like a totality claim I'm not saying all women are going to prioritize this most will though okay
03:06:45
Giannaokay sure I'd say the majority of women are going to find High status men attractive sure I wouldn't say all but but if you say some then I would agree
03:06:56
Brian Atlaswhat well what percentage would you attribute this phenomenon to I would say 60% so majority of women sure but
03:07:06
Brian Atlasnot all okay so that when you apply to women I that's why I said what what would be the reverse so like men who are like seeking out High status women right
03:07:17
Giannawhen do they do that they don't exactly oh so you agree with me that's what I'm saying oh okay all right um wait so what's I'm confused you I was just
03:07:28
Brian Atlasmaking a statement on like both sides oh okay so you're saying not all women right sure not all women of course plenty of women date like average men or
03:07:37
Brian Atlaswhatever right um but uh this does seem to be a more uh common phenomenon in women than it is in men
03:07:49
Brian Atlasmaybe okay all right let me see if there's any other chats here uh we do have some actually we have to get through we got four so I'll try to get through them uh I saw is code for my 13-year-old
03:08:01
Brian Atlasfriend told me something that they saw on John Wick and I'm gullible Chloe do you want to respond to this when you're not like ripping your eye out I have a
03:08:10
Brian Atlascontact nice W contact is it do you wear one contact cuz you said you're blind yeah I only wear one contact sweet you should you should just wear an eye patch it I did for a while it would look you
03:08:23
Chloewould look good with an eye patch after my eye surgery I I wore a a a i nice yeah pirate jokes okay um do you want to respond to L paladins here I mean I feel like we've gone over the topic enough
03:08:35
Cenaall right there it is uh so okay we have not a simp he says uh Cena can you read these oh my God that goth baddy with the
03:08:45
Cenadark lipstick not being sus but I did anything to get surprise pegged by her
03:08:52
Brian Atlasplease I want to be a so bad bro dude you Gremlin what do you want do you want to respond goth
03:09:03
Giannabaddy yeah hit me up on IG and and we'll figure out a time of day for that but it's a surprise H figure it out would
03:09:13
Brian Atlasyou actually Peg a dude I I mean sure youing a dude have you done
03:09:22
Giannait I have done it oh what you going to play oh
03:09:33
Brian Atlasboy excuse me all right Wow have show show of hands who else what have you have I pegged a dude I mean yeah we're asking each other question no I have not
03:09:45
Brian Atlaspegged who anybody here pegged a dude p ped dude I have not you've defin okay anybody pegger peger Ellen H have you no okay sorry I'm sping out would you break
03:09:57
Brian Atlasout break break out break up with a guy if he was like like your current guy that you're in love with or whatever would you like he was like Hey
03:10:06
Brian AtlasEllen would you do things in and around my anus would you break up with him I don't really like that question
03:10:18
Brian Atlasall right okay sorry here ear muffs ear muffs all right all right she doesn't like the question um Cena go ahead read this it was more
03:10:30
Cenaoptimal for her mom to work than her grandmother because grandmother wouldn't have made much money on the streets corner you don't get a premium for
03:10:40
Brian Atlasgumos gumos oh my God bro do you have a response to low paladins no that makes no sense it yeah um yeah okay thank you L paladins for
03:10:53
Brian Atlasthat that was great appreciate it um primary Matt thank you for the gifted 10 Subs on Twitch thank you so much man we have Vector coming in here let's see boom here it comes go ahead Cena you got
03:11:05
Cenait we all have the same brain structure with the capacity to love empath empath empathize empathize learn understand
03:11:14
CenaEtc absent development abnormal Talent there you go that's how you say it go ahead personal choice risk subverting your optimal something capabilities thank you Cena thank you Vector for the
03:11:28
Brian AtlasSuper Chat really appreciate it thank you thank you all right guys uh guys if you want you can get in a TTS $200 TTS if you'd line and also we're doing reads um Andrew I think perhaps now is a
03:11:39
Brian Atlasdecent time for uh or maybe we do Stiffler first then we have Rachel come okay so Stiffler ask everyone to write their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10
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Giannastarting with Giana go ahead I would say a decent 8.7 nine maybe I'll say nine okay Cena
03:12:00
Chloewhat about you eight eight okay eight eight I'm like maybe a 7.5 7.5 maybe like a 6.9 to 7.2 somewh in
03:12:11
Ellenthat range I'll just say seven all right if like average is seven then seven well average would be five but I think like average like like a c like C is a
03:12:22
Ellen70% what grading I'm not sure what grading system we're using here so C are you a c minus or like a C+ well I guess if it's an eight then that's a b so this
03:12:32
Brian Atlasalso like were you held back a grade or that factors in and is it like a gate class I think I'm just average like are what's are you like AP class or in high
03:12:44
Brian Atlasschool like in high school did you take APS were you like take like this class for like the slow people no I took like N9 or 10 APS like I took a lot you read it at 12th grade level in 10th Grade
03:12:57
Ankaokay right I'm not I don't like mes I don't okay um looks scale of 1 to 10 I don't really want to um objectify myself to a
03:13:08
Brian Atlasnumber so no I don't want to answer that question can I ask you a different question um have you ever seen a mid guy with like a really hot
03:13:19
Brian Atlaschick this have you seen this phenomenon ladies you've seen the the mid the mid guy with the hot chick have you've seen that yeah I guess you've
03:13:30
Ankaseen that yes why are you objectifying men I mean I don't know that's that's my personal opinion that yeah what's your personal opinion on of your own looks on the scale of 1 to 10 I just don't want
03:13:41
Brian Atlasto say it can I can you not respect my answer I mean you you don't have to answer the question it's like you've been asked to come on the show to like talk about these subjects I don't really
03:13:52
Ankathink it would be objectifying yourself to uh answer this question I'm in past questions people have said they don't want to give their opinion on it so yeah and I sometimes give push back on their
03:14:03
Brian Atlasrefusals but uh just so I'll you don't have to answer the question but now I'm going to open a different line of inquiry um why is it objectify I think I have a lot more to
03:14:13
Ankaoffer than just my looks like person it Etc I don't want to sure I'll even grant that you do but you I don't see how that pertains to the
03:14:24
Ankaquestion I just don't want to answer it okay so you have a lot more to offer besides your looks okay not really I just don't want to put myself
03:14:37
Brian Atlason a scale I don't I don't know what the issue is with that okay well um just curious would you dat a guy hold on let me what's your name is uh ai ai hold on one
03:14:50
Brian Atlassec um you didn't in this question you didn't say anything about the man's height you don't you don't care about height at all no you date a guy who's 5 foot sure really
03:15:02
Brian Atlasyes so you date a guy who's 6 Ines shorter than you cuz you're 5'6 I said 5'6 and above it's not like a strict l no how tall are you I'm 5 foot oh you're 5 foot so you would date five okay so
03:15:15
Brian Atlasyou do care about height then they have to be 56 and above sure I you wouldn't date a guy who but you so would you date a guy who's 5 foot yeah okay well right
03:15:24
Brian Atlashere you said 5 foot six a preference oh but what's the nature why do you have that preference it's taller than so 51 I mean yeah 51 why do you
03:15:36
Ankahave the preference though I mean ideally I think everyone wants to date someone taller than them why I don't know so looks you care about looks
03:15:47
Brian Atlasyou just said you want to date somebody who's taller than you height has to do with their looks like they're that's a physical characteristic does it you don't think
03:15:59
Ankais it a mental characteristic somebody's height no I mean it's a physical but I don't think that looks necessarily have to do with height well I mean there's some difference there but it is a physical
03:16:10
Brian Atlascharacteristic yeah I agree okay um
03:16:18
Brian Atlasokay well um you think in why would it be objectifying though I just don't want to assign myself a number I don't know why that's so hard to understand but I mean it
03:16:32
Brian Atlasseems like you have a preference for a man's height that's literally a measurement of something it's a physical measurement right yes so you have a
03:16:40
Brian Atlasdouble standard no I mean you you hold men to a a physical standard right not a strict one I'm not saying they have to be taller than right but it
03:16:51
Brian Atlasseems to me like you would probably be more attracted to a guy who's 6 foot versus 5 foot is that fair to say no really
03:17:04
Brian Atlasyes truth is uh being evasive tonight um what about you um I'd say an eight and a half eight and a half okay Tiffany what
03:17:15
Brian Atlasabout you all right eight okay Andrew uh I give myself a five Andrew what about you oops um well who who here said eight or above raise your
03:17:29
Andrew Wilsonhand oh yeah well then I mean I'm a 10 for sure Andrew 10 okay there you go all right Andrew why is that funny why is that funny why is everybody laughing you guys don't think I'm a 10 agree with
03:17:41
Andrew Wilsoneveryone's answers well I'm just well my question though is real quick and then I'll answer yours I think that's a fair question uh why why is why why are people laughing you don't you don't think I'm a 10 you don't think that
03:17:53
Alyssathat's objectively true you're calling us ugly I didn't call you ugly you said if everyone who said eight or above so you're saying that you look
03:18:04
Andrew Wilsonbetter than us that's what you're saying well no no I'm just giving myself a confidence-based self assessment based on non-objective reality but you had us raise our hands yeah because I wanted to give myself
03:18:17
Andrew Wilsona nonobjective confidence-based assessment of myself which would then force you to agree that that is true if you give yourself such a high assessment then mine must also be the case unless you want to argue with
03:18:29
Brian Atlasthat you don't you don't think I'm a 10 no I thought you would think I was a 10 thought so that see yeah that seems fair all right
03:18:39
Brian Atlasum uh going I guess uh going around the table then uh do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time starting with you so you're 18 do you think you'll be better looking at 28 I think
03:18:51
Giannathat'll be probably Peak for most women so I think so okay and then how about 20 years time 38 versus 18 38 um 38 I think
03:19:02
Brian Atlasyeah I think so more attractive than 20 or to then now than 18 yes okay how about 48 30 years time more
03:19:12
Brian Atlasattractive no no okay uh C know what about you will you be more attractive in 10 years
03:19:21
Brian Atlastime yes 20 years time at no 38 okay Lexi uh more attractive in 10 years time at
03:19:30
Brian Atlas28 I think so more attractive in 20 years time at 38 I'd hope so but I don't
03:19:40
Lexiknow what do you think I mean I don't know a lot can change I think it also depends on like attractive to who
03:19:51
Lexiam I attractive to teenage boys still at 38 or attractive to like who yourself oh myself just like objective I
03:20:02
Brian Atlasguess then I'd say probably do do you have a better chance Landing a modeling contract now at 18 versus at 38 yeah okay well that's one metric you can use
03:20:13
Pabut um P you you're 21 better looking in 10 years time at 31 I think so considering like my mom and like other family members my family age as
03:20:25
Brian Atlaswell to be is she single my mom is single a lot of people ask okay uh better looking in 20 years
03:20:34
Patime at 41 I think I'll um stop being attractive maybe when I'm like in my late 60s when I'm like wrinkly and short and possibly in a wheelchair what do you
03:20:46
Pamean will be short I mean like you're already short so no I know but when you're old you like get notched down a little bit yeah when you're in a wheelchair yeah some guys are into that
03:20:56
Brian Atlasoh the wheelchair baddy I'll find those people but so like uh the question isn't like will you still like it's not will you still be attractive plenty of people
03:21:08
Brian Atlasremain attractive uh in their you know late 20s 30s 40s Etc but it's compared to now okay yeah so for more attractive will you be more attractive at 41 versus now
03:21:20
Paat 21 um I think so because I think I have like a better bone structure when I'm older I don't know it's pretty good already I think you know oh thank you uh
03:21:30
Brian Atlas30 years time 51 versus 21 um h no I think that's when the wrinkles were hit okay uh you're 20 Chloe uh better looking in 10 years time at 30
03:21:43
Chloehonestly I live day by day hoping I don't develop a cataract so I don't have much hope for my looks in the future so better looking now at 20 better looking now than at any age yes uh you're 18
03:21:55
Brian Atlasbetter looking in 10 years time at 28 yeah better looking in 20 years time at 38 I think so better looking in 30 years time at 48 yeah better looking in 40
03:22:06
Brian Atlasyears time at 58 I think so better looking in uh okay 40 years time at did I already ask 68 they're looking in 50
03:22:17
Brian Atlasyears time at 68 maybe not 68 where do you peak of all these where's the peak I think about
03:22:25
Ellen60 is that a troll answer is that like genuine well like better looking okay but I think like my Fashion's going to get like better let's
03:22:38
Brian Atlassay you lived in a nudist colony for the rest of your life um and you didn't wear any clothes ever I like that
03:22:47
Brian AtlasI guess like 58 then comparing to now so the nudest colony 58 versus what I think what you
03:22:58
Brian Atlasthink yeah yeah um I think I'll still and then what about with clothes so with the fashion 18-year-old you versus 78-year-old you but she's [ __ ]
03:23:08
Ellenkilling it with the you're 78 88 Alzheimer's coming in but the fashion is on par son no like I would definitely be more attractive when I'm 78 then like
03:23:20
Brian Atlasif the fashion was good then with the alzheim you got Alzheimer's but the fashion is on point yeah like I'd physically look good you'd look better you're just looking you're just talking about physical appearance right my just
03:23:32
Brian Atlasphysical I would look better at 78 than I do now than you do now if I have like incredible fashion you think the the Fashion's going to be doing a lot of heavy lifting at 78 well it's just in my
03:23:45
Ellenperspective what is your perspective that I think that'll be like or might be I'll be like beautiful no matter what can ask you a
03:23:54
Brian Atlasquestion so you have a fitness model versus like an obese morbidly obese person but the morbidly obese person the fashion is like [ __ ]
03:24:06
Brian Atlasinsane bro and like you've got like this fitness model but she's wearing like a sweatshirt and sweatpants who's more physically attractive I think they're physically
03:24:18
Ellenattractive you think being fat is attractive she's a chubby chaser we established this um I think if you have great fashion like you can't like I think
03:24:29
Brian Atlasthey're both attractive why can't they both be attractive so question for you let's use you you you're pretty fit right you do sports or you do you do the
03:24:39
Brian Atlasgym you do yoga you do yoga so you're you're fit right you're 18 do you think like if we put you like sweatpants and like a baggy sweatshirt you
03:24:51
Brian Atlasversus uh it's Ellen right mm uh so you Ellen versus morbidly obese
03:25:01
Brian AtlasEllen but the fashion is on point like on point like you look good like you're fat as [ __ ] but you look good like M God damn I don't know what you're wearing you're wearing some kind of crazy I
03:25:13
Brian Atlasdon't know what's in style for the ladies like some what's what's a good some good PA what's what's the fashion trend uh I don't know your high-rise jeans or something I think it's going back to
03:25:25
Brian Atlaslike low-waisted now low waisted is back okay so you're you're morbidly obese you're 300 lb but the Fashion on point son on point you got the best heels in the
03:25:37
Brian Atlasgame they would break is that a thing can fat people not wear heels like have you ever seen a fat person wear heels they can pull it off
03:25:47
Brian Atlassometimes yes yes I I actually have yes oh my God gross that's got to be hard but you can say it's gross but I mean it definitely happens that's very bigoted
03:25:58
Brian Atlasof view Tiffany you bigot um so current Ellen right here sitting
03:26:04
Brian Atlasright here versus 350 lb Ellen but Fashion on point Who's hotter okay I think this smaller me is
03:26:17
Ellenhotter because I'm healthy because if I'm morbidly obese I'm no longer healthy okay if I'm a healthy weight then the fit is always what about the fashion the
03:26:27
Ellenbut the fashion obviously is better for obes like let's say it's like a group you are you in un you're in a university right I am are there frat like frats at your University there's frat part yeah
03:26:39
Brian Atlaslike frats oh goes to UCB go to UCB so think of like uh five I don't know what the [ __ ] the frats are uh what's what's a uh what's a frat here at UCSB
03:26:50
Brian AtlasAI shut up Tiff oh my God Tiff Tiffany bro calm down bro calm down Tiffany Tiffany a oh my God
03:27:01
Brian AtlasD what what uh Sig app is that a is that a frat there's a sigma gu you know you know about them Morgan um all right
03:27:10
Brian Atlassigap who do they pick oh my I'm like being a dead horse okay Ellen or obese Ellen but with good
03:27:22
Ellenfashion you already answered it to date I mean I think they would pick something different or they would pick the smaller version of me because that's just what
03:27:31
Ellenmen I feel like typically go for but I don't think that's necessarily always what I would think okay all right um so just to be
03:27:41
Brian Atlasclear uh you you're peing at 78 when it comes to looks if I have great fashion that yeah the okay the great
03:27:54
Brian Atlasfashion um let me ask you a question okay uh would you rather date an
03:28:02
Ellen18-year-old or a 78-year-old with really good fashion an 18-year-old why though they they're more attractive no I think I will personally be more attractive at that age I'm not
03:28:15
Ellensaying I see other people attractive I'm also 18 I'm not going to date somebody but the F their Fashion's really good I can appreciate their fashion from afar I don't need to but wouldn't they be more
03:28:27
Brian Atlasattractive their fashion makes them really cool but doesn't mean I want to date them how about this uh what do you
03:28:34
Brian Atlasthink all men would pick all men so like from 18 to like 100 do they prefer 78-year-old fat aista
03:28:46
Brian AtlasEllen or 18-year-old I mean you kind of dress you know whatever I you dress good I'm sorry I wasn't trying to insult you I'm just saying like the fashion doesn't I'm not
03:28:58
Brian Atlaslike you don't look all [ __ ] up and [ __ ] you don't look [ __ ] up no but I feel like like you're put together you got a PO is that Polo what is that it's Ralph Lauren Ralph you got Ralph Lauren
03:29:09
Brian Atlasthat's nice it's a nice shirt or blouse or whatever the [ __ ] that is what is it a card it's a cardig that's very class cardigan because I think at 78 I'll have very classy style and that's you already
03:29:20
Brian Atlasgot you got you're wearing a Ralph Lauren p uh whatever cardigan that's like what my she's gonna be dripped out in Chanel okay all right good
03:29:32
Brian Atlastalk okay uh what about you at 28 like 10 years from now yeah so you're 23 will you be better looking in 10 years time at 33 yes but you're
03:29:42
Brian Atlaslooking in 20 years time at 43 no okay all right uh you're 26 better looking in 10 years time at 36 yes I hope you hope okay better looking in 20 years time at
03:29:53
Brian Atlas46 probably not and then better looking are you better looking now at 26 than you were at 18 yes okay Tiffany you're 19 better looking in 10 years time at 29
03:30:04
Brian Atlasyes 20 years time at 39 yes 30 years time at 49 yes 50 years time at 69 yes 60
03:30:12
Tiffanyyears 60 years time at 79 m no so you're peeking at 6 69 I meant to say I meant to say no at 69 or 59 59 is your like that's cut off
03:30:27
Brian Atlasokay okay do we do we have the Discord ready to go on that do we have the age forward do we have multiple multiples
03:30:36
Brian Atlasthat have been sent in from one person from who G okay yeah let's do his all right all right we we have
03:30:46
Giannasome chronically online Internet people who who are really good at AI oh my god oh who you look good what is that is
03:30:55
Brian Atlasthat ghost not not okay all right next you looked at these first right to make sure they're oh
03:31:05
Brian Atlasnice okay all right is there did you make the when were these yeah during the show it's live what all right that's I don't know that's like 10 20 years or something
03:31:17
Brian Atlaswhat age is this next I don't I don't know what they're doing but whoa I don't know about that damn you look mad what happened bro who hurt you
03:31:30
Brian Atlasnext y'all did Chloe dirty bro come on hey put it hey ghost ghost are you still watching bro uh throw an eye patch on her just to see I just want to see bro
03:31:40
Brian Atlasjust throw an eye patch everyone else AG on next okay hey you know what oh I like that I see it you kind of became Wan though I don't know what happened but you became
03:31:52
Brian AtlasWhite after a while like way not white I like the bone structure in that it looks okay all right next you look like
03:32:04
Ellenyou got into politics no but I don't know why got bigger too who
03:32:12
Brian Atlasokay was bad okay all right what we got for Tiffany over here why do we look angry why do you make them white bro she's got blue
03:32:23
Brian Atlaseyes you she's like getting color contact or some [ __ ] okay uh next and of course bro yeah okay oh no oh no what
03:32:34
Andrew Wilsondid you combine him with Jack Nicholson or some [ __ ] did you see that Andrew that's like Andrew had a baby with Jack Nicholson I like the hair I think I think I got move towards that hairstyle
03:32:47
Brian Atlasfor sure you do um all right well that's how all of you look really old keep an eye for the eye patch by the way for for that one Lucas
03:32:55
CenaCena can you read this do they teach statistics in college always a random unasal personal I can't read that man what's going on in Canada bro we got
03:33:07
Brian Atlas[ __ ] Annex Canada sorry but we will under like did you know that that's actually like Trump ran on that what Trump's going to invade
03:33:17
Brian AtlasCanada did you know that yeah no he's not it's ours now how do you feel about that I think I prefer Trump oh okay she's down for the
03:33:29
Cenaannexation all right here I'll pull it back up again I bet Canadians probably wish he would okay go give it another College try no it's not that I can't read it
03:33:41
Brian Atlasit's that it's too far that's F I know it's it's kind of with a white table always a random unfalsifiable personal anecdote to argue against the rural population level studies and data which
03:33:51
Brian Atlashave been replicated over and over again for decades that's from Lucas do they teach statistics in college no I don't know do they I think they do I don't
03:34:02
Cenaknow uh Cena give this one a crack Rachel please ask these young women do they even know what feminist is really how it affects them it's like
03:34:14
Cenabeing a communist sympathizer without knowing they support it the support the cause all right Joe Murphy thank you so much for the message man do really
03:34:24
Brian Atlasappreciate that all right uh Andrew do you want to bring Rachel you want to get Rachel in here yeah I'll grab her all right sounds good unless you had notes
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Brian Atlasguys I think I'm going to be I'm I don't I've been on the fence if I'm going to stream I haven't really been playing too much but I got to like level 14 on on World of Warcraft me and Andrew we start where we're going to be doing a guild
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Brian Atlasappreciate it oh there she is in the flesh we got Rachel Wilson in the building you wanted to talk about education did you have a qu you had something on the education thing that I
03:36:42
Brian Atlasthink was related it was just like related to like it's a public school education just one sec really quick can uh yo AB Che thank you for the gifted 20 memberships
03:36:53
Brian Atlasreally appreciate it what was your thing um just like public school education versus homeschooling education okay well I'll let Rachel take over for a little bit and let you guys have the
03:37:03
Rachel Wilsonconversation so take it away Rachel hello ladies hey Brian thanks for having me on uh well since you had something I'll just let you go first with what you wanted to say and I'll just respond
03:37:17
Ellenoh me yeah I think didn't you say you had something about homeschool versus public school I just wanted to hear your um viewpoint on if you think that homeschooling education's better or public school education is better and
03:37:29
Rachel Wilsonwhy so um well it's kind of funny you ask because I have been homeschooling the kids for many years now um I did a little guest spot on Tucker Carlson Show when he was still on Fox to talk about
03:37:41
Rachel Wilsonthe big spike in homeschooling during the pandemic uh statistically homeschooled students do better overall like in pretty much every metric compared to public school students um I
03:37:54
Rachel Wilsonthink that there's a lot of big problems with public schooling now not that it was ever great if you look into the history of public schooling and why it was started and who started it uh it was never really about learning or making
03:38:06
Rachel Wilsonpeople smarter or preparing them for adult life it was more so about preparing good little cogs in the wheel who were going to follow you know the values of the state
03:38:17
Rachel Wilsonwhatever the government wanted uh kids to do and it was based on the Prussian school system which was to make good soldiers for Prussia so um I think Andrew's really spot on when he says
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Rachel Wilsonschool is not for smart people I think that's correct um I think uh there's lots of ways to socialize kids and especially nowadays um there's
03:38:39
Rachel Wilsonhomeschooling co-ops homeschooling groups um there's more ways to connect and socialize than ever before and like Andrew said that like our kids can do all the um like sports and the
03:38:51
Rachel Wilsonextracurricular activities they can go to Tech Center Vocational Center all that kind of stuff so um it really just gives you the freedom and with we have five kids so each kid has their own
03:39:03
Rachel Wilsonstrengths their own weaknesses their own personality their own way they prefer to learn one of the biggest weaknesses in public school is that everybody you kind of have to cater to the lowest common denominator so if you're like a little
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Rachel Wilsonsmart you might have a hard time if you're somebody who has a different style of learning that's not really adaptable to public school you're going to have a hard time and especially boys uh public school is really catered to
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Rachel Wilsongirls it's catered to girls doing stuff like sitting still getting in line uh my cat's freaking out over there Andy's trying to he's trying to handle them but yeah so I I much prefer homeschooling
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Rachel Wilsonfor a lot of reasons we can get as much done in a day at home school in about 2 hours as the kids would learn in in you know 7 hours of a regular school day and I would say they retain a lot more of it and there's no need for like extra
03:39:51
Rachel Wilsonhomework when you get home things like that so I'm a huge homeschooling Advocate and it's worked great for our family I know that not every parent may be great at homeschooling but not every parent's a great parent there's always
03:40:03
Ellengoing to be some people who don't do well regardless of what we're talking about so yeah kind of where I would go with it I absolutely love your comment um I was just I think it kind of like
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Ellenbothered me me initially because I didn't really like the generalization that you know homeschooling is best for everyone I think there are definitely like special cases like just like you said like super super like Geniuses or
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Ellenlike prodigies like they should be homeschooled and you know develop those talents and um knowledge but I think I went to public school um and then I also
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Ellenwent to like a small private school as well for high school and I just found so much or I feel like I learned so much in public schools and private schools um
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Ellennot only kind of like obviously I think if I was home schools I may have known more oh sorry he's over here wrestling the cat oh no worries I feel like maybe
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Ellenthat would have gotone me like academically like further but I feel that the social um benefits like the socialization was enhanced I guess in a
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Ellenway in public schooling because you know you're going to school every day and you're forced to socialize so I feel like that grew my socialization skills
03:41:24
Ellenum whereas I feel that like homeschooling yes you can you know do activities like extracurriculars but you're not seeing the same people every day because like you know soccer
03:41:36
Rachel Wilsonpractice is like three times a week but I think there's a few things you're not thinking about like for example uh most children's first exposure to violence is in a public School uh public schools are
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Rachel Wilsonmore prone to violence um child sa incidents happening than even private schools churches pretty much any other
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Rachel Wilsonplace uh schools are pretty dangerous on average now and uh you then you have all of the indoctrination with certain gender ideologies like at least when I'm homeschooling my child I know they're