HEATED DEBATE With California Boss Babe Feminists?! Andrew Wilson! Goth Dating?! | Dating Talk #215
Date: 2024-11-25
Duration: 9h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Lexi(guest)
SPEAKER_03Anka(guest)
SPEAKER_04Tiffany(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ellen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Gianna(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_12Pa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Chloe(guest)
SPEAKER_14Cena(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:14
IntroBrian Atlas opens the show with announcements: BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit, WoW guild on Nightslayer realm, Molten Core raid Dec 12.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:03:20
IntroGianna introduces herself: 18, LA, model, studying psychology online at City College.
“hi I'm gaana I'm from Los Angeles I'm 18 and I'm a model”
00:03:51
IntroCena introduces herself: 18, Canada (Montreal), does OnlyFans, studying engineering. Brian notes she's a returning guest.
“hi I'm Cena I'm 18 my occupation I do only fan and I'm in school for engineering”
00:09:09
IntroChloe introduces herself: 20, lives in South Korea (only here temporarily), model and dancer, studied psychology in university.
“my name is yoa I'm 20 years old I live down in Korea so I actually I'm only here temporarily”
00:13:13
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, political analyst.
“my name is uh Andrew Wilson I'm the host of the Cru Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm political analyst”
00:32:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she's never officially been in a relationship, has a graveyard in her phone (changes exes to tombstones). Reveals her 4-year non-relationship was toxic/abusive. He cheated with her best friend while she was pregnant. She put water in his gas tank. Has a 3-year-old son.
“I have like a graveyard in my phone I don't know if anyone's seen that like once you're gone like you get three tombstones”
00:41:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she has had 2 abortions, was supposed to get a third but the ex never took her to the appointment (Missouri, abortion was illegal). Son's father told her if something happened to their son (who had a heart murmur) it was 'on my watch.' No child support, no contact.
“I wasn't supposed to I was supposed to get an abortion um oh and it didn't happen so”
00:51:00
Key MomentPa reveals her ankle injury: occurred during an upside-down 69 position (standing 69 → straddle handstand) with her 7-year situationship guy. Tripped over nightstand. Tells her boss a different story (tripped over a curb).
“he was just grabbing me me off from the bed um and because of I guess the like amount of drinks that we've had”
00:54:42
Key MomentChloe reveals she has Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, is blind in her left eye, went to hospital after sex ruptured an ovarian cyst. Graduated high school at 14.
“I'm tiny and um I'm like barely 53 and I have a genetic disorder”
01:09:00
QuoteTiffany on men liking submissive women: 'I don't think they have to but they usually do — men like to provide.' She also argues from 'Why Men Love Bitches' that overly submissive women bore men and men cheat. Andrew disagrees strongly.
“I think men should pay okay um I think I don't think they have to but they usually do”
01:31:20
Key MomentDebate: Zuckerberg (Facebook/Instagram) vs Tim Stokely (OnlyFans) — who caused more harm? Andrew: definitely OnlyFans, produces nothing good, creates parasocial relationships with lonely men. Alyssa and Cena defend OnlyFans. Most guests say Facebook.
“definitely only fans has done more damage”
01:51:40
QuotePa on having a party where she invited all 7 men she'd slept with and made them all wear pink to identify them — without them knowing.
“I only invited seven wait so seven dude was there an orgy afterwards”
02:00:00
ControversyChloe claims she witnessed two friends get shot by police in Jennings, MO at age 13 during Fight Club roughhousing. Andrew challenges the story vigorously, offers $500 for proof, says it would have been national news. Brian says Jennings is rough and takes her word.
“I have seen probably two people with my own eyes but then I have seen in passing as in like heard from everyone”
02:33:20
Key MomentPa's 7-year situationship guy confessed 'I think I'm in love with you' while they were together (he was drunk). She said 'ask me sober' — he hasn't. He then dropped off a book for her the morning of the show.
“he literally just whispered I think I like he said I think I'm in love with you”
03:04:50
Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Guests rate themselves 1-10. Gianna: 9. Cena: 8. Lexi: 7.5. Pa: 6.9-7.2. Chloe: 8. Ellen: 7. Anka: refused. Alyssa: 8.5. Tiffany: 8. Andrew: 10 (non-objective confidence). Discord sends AI-aged forward photos of each guest.
“go ahead I would say a decent 8.7 nine maybe I'll say nine”
03:37:42
Key MomentRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) joins via Discord. Delivers detailed argument for homeschooling, stay-at-home motherhood, and birth rate concerns. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good; all said yes. Then asks if staying home is a privilege; all said yes. Rachel points out the contradiction. Asks who would choose babies over career if humanity died out otherwise.
“hello ladies hey Brian thanks for having me on”
04:11:10
QuoteAnka's most quotable moment: 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, it's a fair trade-off.' (Later partially walked back.)
“so if it was like the man's going to me... I'd rather choose being mauled”
04:31:40
Key MomentBow video segment: Brian plays video of ex-girlfriend bowing and cooking dinner. Goes around table asking who would bow for their man. Only Tiffany semi-concedes. Brian argues bow takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
“boom huge bow huge bow and then you know she scampers to get the laundry done after”
05:09:00
ControversyAnka says 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, that's a fair trade-off' during Rachel's career-vs-babies hypothetical. Chat erupts. Ogle donates saying she's 'disqualified herself from any future partner live on air.' Anka later clarifies she was partly trolling/rage-baiting.
“if it was like oh whatever I do says you know then Humanity's off but like I mean I'm doing what I want to do”
05:17:20
ControversyAnka estimates 50% of men in a forest and 40% of men alone in a room would assault her. Brian challenges the math (66 million American men). Andrew asks if she'd choose assured death over a random man in the forest — she says yes. Extended bear vs man vs velociraptor vs T-rex debate.
“I would say like in the forest if we're talking about just in the forest it's a 50/50”
06:02:21
Key MomentTrans debate: is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Gianna, Anka say yes (straight regardless of surgery). Andrew and Brian argue two males having sex is homosexual by definition. Chloe nuanced (depends on surgery/genuine attraction). Brian sarcastically asks guests to 'affirm his identity' as being correct.
“so just to be clear uh would you guys agree that uh homosexual means same sex”
08:00:00
ControversyAt end of show, Chloe admits she was partly rage-baiting during the show after realizing it was political/debate-oriented rather than a light dating show. Says roughly half her extreme positions were genuine and half were trolling.
“I made a decision when I was going to come on here that if this is one of those rage bait more so political ones then I was just going to act just as rage baity”
Topics Discussed
00:03:20
Introductions & Relationship Status
Guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Round of relationship statuses including Chloe's Korea story, Pa's 7-year situationship, Alyssa's abusive ex and child, Tiffany's long-distance relationship. Also covers Pa's ankle injury (sexual stunt).
00:51:00
Sex-Related Injuries & Health Stories
Pa's ankle fracture from upside-down-69 stunt. Chloe's ovarian cyst from sex (Ehlers-Danlos syndrome). Discussion of EDS symptoms.
00:56:10
Men Losing Weight / Loose Skin
TTS question about a man who lost 360lbs with loose skin — would guests date him? Mixed answers; Chloe says she wouldn't due to fear of them regaining weight.
00:59:55
Chloe's Korea Life & Family Background
Chloe discusses living in South Korea, her unusual family (mom on 5th husband, 23 siblings), why she can't date white men, debate with Andrew about sibship/dating logic.
01:13:20
Feminist Identity & Core Values
Do guests identify as feminist? Andrew's definition (egalitarianism). What are guests' core values? What do they bring to the table? Discussion of ideal man attributes.
01:24:20
OnlyFans vs Facebook — Societal Harm
TTS question: has Mark Zuckerberg or Tim Stokely (OnlyFans founder) done more harm? Andrew argues OnlyFans produces nothing good; Cena defends OnlyFans as helping lonely men.
02:43:00
Democracy vs Abortion & Political Questions
Would you support a bill tying abortion rights to military draft eligibility? Who's pro-life vs pro-choice? Would you choose democracy or abortion rights? Most chose democracy. Chloe says she doesn't like the US democracy.
03:04:50
Self-Ratings & Aging Attractiveness
Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Discussion of whether they'll be more attractive in 10/20/30 years. AI aging forward images shown. Self-ratings: Gianna 9, Cena 8, Lexi 7.5, Alyssa 8.5, Tiffany 8, Pa 6.9-7.2, Chloe 8, Andrew 10 (joke), Ellen 7.
03:37:42
Rachel Wilson on Homeschooling & Feminism
Andrew's wife Rachel Wilson calls in. Advocates homeschooling as superior (Tucker Carlson appearance). Argues feminism has led to birth rate collapse. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good, and if staying home is privilege. Heated exchange with Anka about career vs motherhood duty. Rachel argues society is unsustainable if women don't have children.
04:22:00
Who Should Pay on the First Date / Bow Video
Brian plays bow video of ex-girlfriend. Would guests bow for their man? None (except Tiffany conditionally). Debate about first-date paying norms — most expect men to pay. Brian's argument: bowing takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
05:09:00
Abortion, Women's Rights, Child Support
Do women have equal rights to men? Anka argues abortion is the one area of inequity. Brian points out men have zero reproductive rights. Debate: can a man legally avoid child support? Should taxpayers pay? Andrew's body-our-choice vs responsibility argument. Extended back-and-forth.
05:17:20
Man vs Bear Question
Would you rather encounter a random man or random bear alone in a forest? Chloe, Ellen, Alyssa, Anka chose bear. Gianna, Cena, Lexi, Pa, Tiffany chose man. Anka estimates 40% of men would assault her. Extended Velociraptor/T-Rex variants. Debate about whether bear-preference is sexist.
06:02:21
Trans Identity Debate
Is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Most guests say yes (pre-op too). Brian and Andrew argue biologically two males having sex is homosexual. Chloe most nuanced; says depends on surgery and genuine attraction. Guests define "what is a woman." Extended philosophical debate with Andrew about self-ID logic.
07:59:00
Body Count Discussion
Is it hypocritical for a high-body-count man to require a low-body-count woman? Chloe says yes. Brian disagrees — asymmetrical attraction is not hypocrisy. Body count round: Gianna 0-5, Cena 3, Lexi 2, Pa 50-60, Chloe under 5, Ellen very low (0-3), Alyssa 100+ (stopped counting), Tiffany 0 (virgin), Anka declined.
08:00:00
Roast Session & Wrap-Up
TTS roast session at $20 threshold. Roasts directed at each chair. Chloe admits she was rage-baiting some answers when she realized the show was political. Final body count round. Brian thanks panelists. Wrap-up and raid.
Transcript
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03:42:08
Rachel Wilsonnot going to come back a different gender right um they're going to they're going to still be a girl if they were a girl that morning I'm not going to put them on the bus and they're going to come back a boy so there's that um and
03:42:19
Rachel Wilsonthe other thing is that we've only had compulsory public education for about a century all of human history prior to that nobody had public school do you think that people weren't socialized of course they were and one of the problems
03:42:32
Rachel Wilsonwhen we were talking about women in the workplace and working moms earlier we used to have Community uh everywhere throughout all of history children were raised by their mothers but not just
03:42:44
Rachel Wilsontheir mothers the all the women were at home with the kids so Mom had her sisters and her cousins and her neighbors and her friends who were all also raising their children and so it was kind of done all together everybody
03:42:55
Rachel Wilsonwasn't isolated you didn't have uh little boy number one in high school little daughter number two in junior high and then Mommy goes to work in her building and daddy goes to work in his building and everybody's separated and
03:43:07
Rachel Wilsonatomized and then we have to try to come back together for 2 hours at the end of the day before we all go to bed uh the socialization thing was never a problem it's only a problem now because yeah the
03:43:17
Rachel Wilsonparents aren't home the family's not around all the women are in cubicles so it's everything has changed so much in a century that it's it is tough to talk about because all of you especially grew
03:43:30
Rachel Wilsonup in this modern world with the internet and with working parents and strong independent boss moms who told you that the most important thing to do was be uh ambitious and have a career right but I want to ask you guys a
03:43:42
Rachel Wilsonquestion what do you think about this so do do you guys think that the feminists who came before you or the strong independent women you know your grandmas and your great grandmas did they fight for the right to be career women and go
03:43:56
Rachel Wilsonto college like is that something that you think they had to fight for that was worth fighting for maybe we'll just start over here and chair one and go around do you think that it was a good thing that women you
03:44:08
Giannaknow did they fight for their right to work and be educated and be independent and was that a good thing yes I think they did and um I think it was a good
03:44:18
Cenathing yes okay what about number two I agree yes they did fight for it because they didn't get it in the past and it is
03:44:26
Paa good thing okay number three I agree same
03:44:33
Paokay um my family definitely did fight I'm from Thailand and a lot of um jobs are like either like you're a farmer or
03:44:44
Payou work for the the government so to them school is very important whether it's homeschooling or private school or public school um and I have a different
03:44:54
PaViewpoint from my family completely cuz I don't think that um people who are like can be successful and intelligent should always be in school I
03:45:05
Pahave family members who never finished high school even college and they are thriving making a lot of money because they have learned um
03:45:15
Chloelike actual life skills things that you are not taught when you're in school that's a good point okay what about number five um I think my family did I'd say
03:45:27
Chloeoverall it's a good thing but I do think that some people didn't necessarily they may have fought too for it but maybe they weren't fighting for themselves cuz I can recognize that
03:45:38
Chloeplenty of people don't want to have to go do that but nowadays you're expected to so I think it's definitely a mixture
03:45:50
Ankaokay what about you I think it's a mixture as well but I think some women did fight um to have you know a
03:45:59
Ankacareer okay um I would say yes in India you know it's at least back then or when my mom grew up it wasn't always a guarantee you get an education there's arranged marriage you're expected to
03:46:11
Ankahave children she always wanted what's best for me and and she's always been pushing me to get an education um build
03:46:19
Ankaa life for myself so I agreed that um I think the the fight was for good and it is still good now it's still applicable now wait was the question whether women
03:46:31
Rachel Wilsonfought for our education or not or if it was a good thing did women do you think that women had to fight for the right to be able to have careers and do you think that was good [Music]
03:46:43
Tiffanyum I guess historically women did fight I'm I'm kind of torn on the good or bad part because I do believe in equal
03:46:53
Tiffanyopportunity but I think it was overall a detriment to society that women were sent to work okay I'm going
03:47:04
Rachel Wilsonto follow that up with a second question so if women fought for the right to work and have careers and be able to be independent have their own money and have an education do you think that it's a priv
03:47:15
Rachel Wilsonfor a woman to be able to stay home with her children like if if I said oh well I stay home with my kids and my husband works would you say well not all women have that privilege so is it I'm asking
03:47:26
Rachel Wilsonis it a privilege to be a stay-at-home mom or is it are you oppressed if you're a stay-at-home
03:47:33
Giannamom I think um people would look at it both ways personally I think it is a privilege because as we were talking
03:47:42
Giannaabout earlier you know like like she also said just now um most women were forced to go to work which they didn't want to they wanted to stay home um so in that case it would be a privilege but
03:47:54
Cenathen for other cases it would be oppression but I would think it was a privilege okay number two what do you think I agree I think it is a privilege
03:48:04
Cenafor a woman to stay at home but also I also think it depends on the wom like whether or not you want to like if the
03:48:13
Leximen is able to be the one providing okay what about three um I think if your husband makes
03:48:25
Paenough to where you guys can do that I think that's a pretty good thing I think it's a privilege okay what about number four I think if your yes your husband is
03:48:37
Pawealthy enough to support you and your entire family and you can just stay at home take care of your kids like not really have to worry about making money yourself in your career then that is a
03:48:49
Chloeprivilege okay I think overall I think it's a privilege at the same time I know that if I had a child while I'd want to be able to stay home with them and
03:49:00
Chloeespecially their more formative years I also would need some sort of other work Beyond just my kid cuz I wouldn't want to just feel like I lost myself MH okay number six yeah I think sorry
03:49:14
Ellenguys I don't have your names here so I'm just going by your chair number um it always like depends on the case but I think it's a privilege in some cases as mentioned before um yes I I think it's a privilege
03:49:27
Ankato stay at home I think it's a wonderful thing to be stay at home all my housewife if your husband can support it then yeah a privilege okay so I want you guys to think about the fact that when we went
03:49:39
Rachel Wilsonaround with both those questions everybody said yes women had to fight for the right to be able to get an education and have a career and then everyone also said But if you can stay
03:49:50
Rachel Wilsonhome with your children you are privileged how could that be the case how could it be both how could it be that uh you had to fight you know women had to fight and Blaze a trail and a
03:50:01
Rachel Wilsonpath to be able to work outside the home and have their own money and careers but also if you can stay home with your children that you're privileged because wouldn't they only have been fighting for the right to have careers in
03:50:12
Rachel Wilsoneducation if they were oppressed before when they were staying at home by the way I want to mention something else in all my research in every culture around the world there has never been any law
03:50:24
Rachel WilsonI'm aware of where women were expressly forbidden from working so if you have this idea that women weren't allowed to work or women weren't allowed to be educated there may be some countries
03:50:35
Rachel Wilsonlike India where perhaps uh girls can't go to school or parts of Africa but I'm mainly talking about the Western World and America where where we all are um women have always been allowed to work
03:50:47
Rachel Wilsonbut before feminism and before the Industrial Revolution it didn't make sense why because if you had the like the average woman in the year 1800 had seven children seven births probably a
03:50:59
Rachel Wilsonfew of them might not make it to adulthood but if you had seven births why on Earth would you want a career outside the house I mean like why would you what are you going to do pay daycare for seven kids and here's the other thing you guys are talking about um
03:51:13
Rachel Wilsonwomen should have a career if they're going to be moms and uh we can just pay daycare or have family come in and it's like you realize that that's really stupid and here's why because how does
03:51:25
Rachel Wilsonit make sense for me to say you know what I'm a mom but I deserve a career and I I'm ambitious and I have career goals and I need to be able to work so I'm going to hire this other woman to come in and do the mothering for eight
03:51:38
Rachel Wilsonor 9 hours a day while I'm gone well what about that woman she doesn't deserve a career you're just all your doing is Shifting the stuff over right
03:51:49
Rachel Wilsonso earlier somebody said um you know well why can't the dad stay home I want to know what you guys think about that what do you guys think it's the same if Dad stays home do you think that it's
03:52:00
Giannajust as good if dad's staying home if everybody did that it'd be fine um can we address the entire question or would you like us sure okay sure what whatever you guys want to say
03:52:11
Giannawe can just kind of open it up so um I kind of see like I see what you're saying it's kind of like a we look like we want to have our cake and eat it too
03:52:20
Giannakind of concept but it's more so as I would say I think it is um that we fight to go to work so that we have money to pay bills we have money to put food on
03:52:32
Giannathe table and do things like that that's why we get our jobs but then we would also like to be at home and stay with our children and stuff like that so I
03:52:42
Rachel Wilsonsee it in your way but then I also see in mine and um your other question was I'm sorry about well do you think that it's the same if Dad stays home cuz that was something that came up earlier in the panel cuz I don't remember which one
03:52:55
Giannaof you said it to Andrew but you were like well why can't the dad just stay home why does it have to be meat and yeah why should it be mom that stays home do you think well I think
03:53:06
Giannapersonally um the dad can stay home as well I think either either as long as there is a parent present it's you know great both ways so what do you think
03:53:16
Rachel Wilsonwould happen if society-wide let's say that you know women are strong and they're Rising they're getting more college degrees than men are today which by the way that's not very new uh women have had higher literacy rates and
03:53:29
Rachel Wilsonhigher high school graduation rates in the United States since we started tracking those numbers in 1790 and I'll I can get to why later but what if we shifted everything and
03:53:40
Rachel Wilsonsuddenly the Next Generation 80% of the children are raised by the dads the dads stay home and the moms go to work do you think that that would work for Society
03:53:51
Rachel Wilsonon like on a society wide level I see number two shaking her head no why do you think that might not work because I believe that if your kid is
03:54:04
Cenaraised like from a mother or a father it's different like there's some stuff that a mother can't provide that a father can provide but there's also a lot of stuff that a father can't provide that a
03:54:17
Rachel Wilsonmother can that's true but it's even simpler than that do you know what the top 20 most important and dangerous jobs are
03:54:28
Rachel Wilsonlike if you look at Job statistics the top 20 jobs that we need the most that that are most important to keeping this whole infrastructure running so you guys are all sitting here in a studio there's lights there's camera there's it's a
03:54:41
Rachel WilsonConcrete building you're up on the you know you're up in the building with Windows and there's electricity we have internet right all this infrastructure is built by men so all of
03:54:52
Rachel Wilsonthe stuff you need to keep Society Running logging engineering concrete mixing and laying all forms of construction power line work uh cell
03:55:03
Rachel Wilsonphone towers everything infrastructure related those are the most dangerous the most difficult and the most important jobs and they are occupied by by
03:55:14
Rachel Wilsonanywhere from 80 to 99% men like if you look at concrete work it's 99.8% men women don't lay concrete do you think that society would keep going
03:55:26
Rachel Wilsonif we had all the concrete layers at home raising the kids what if all of The Men Who Run the Telecommunications your cell phone your Wi-Fi your high-speed internet what if all the men who build
03:55:38
Rachel Wilsonthose systems fix them when they go down what if they were all at home raising babies what if all of the power line the guys who go out like we just had this massive bunch of hurricanes in the Southeast and knocked out the power to
03:55:49
Rachel Wilsonall of Appalachia and all of Florida for a couple of weeks all the people who go in there and rebuild that and rescue people from the floods and rebuild everything that's all men so what do you
03:56:00
Rachel Wilsonthink would happen if we had an economy where all the women went to work and the men stayed home do you know what the top 20 jobs occupied by women are they're the same top 20 jobs occupied by women a
03:56:12
Rachel Wilsonhundred years ago so if you look at the top 20 most female jobs in 1920 and the top 20 most female jobs in 2020 they're almost exactly the same all we did was
03:56:23
Rachel Wilsonswap HR and farm work so more women did like smalltime farm work back then and more of them do HR now but other than that women are like early childhood
03:56:32
Rachel WilsonEducators teachers nurses bookkeeping retail workers food service industry workers things like that so you men and women are not interchangeable moms and
03:56:44
Rachel Wilsondads are not interchangeable so this idea that like oh I can be a strong independent boss bab and I'll just Outsource the child care or dad can just stay home you could argue that that's
03:56:56
Rachel Wilsonfine on some individual levels but if we make this be like society-wide expectation everything that allows you girls to think that you are strong independent boss babes who can do it on
03:57:06
Rachel Wilsonyour own crumbles it disappears it turns to dust there's no more Wi-Fi there's no more electricity kiss your air conditioning goodbye there's nobody to fix your car when it breaks you don't
03:57:17
Rachel Wilsonhave gasoline because there's no oil rig workers you know getting the gas that you use to drive your car so basically this is all kind of dulu land stuff this idea that like oh we can just do
03:57:29
Rachel Wilsonwhatever we want and it's just depends on my personal preference and you know it'll all be fine so I mean a lot of what Andrew tries to get you guys to think about is what you want on a personal level is not the only question
03:57:43
Rachel Wilsonhere it's not the only moral question it's not it's not the only thing to consider there's a greater good Society has to work together as a whole so I know I just threw a lot at you but does anybody have anything they want to jump
03:57:55
Pain on um with me specifically my mom actually had to hide her pregnancy because in Thailand when you are found
03:58:06
Paout that you are having a baby or has a baby you have to stop working completely and you're expected to take care of the child and then later your um expected child is supposed to help support your
03:58:20
Rachel Wilsonfamily okay I mean I'm not sure if I would say that's good or bad there are some like ethical issues or concerns I would have when
03:58:32
Rachel Wilsonwe're discussing like kind of Christian societies versus non-Christian societies and that's like a whole other topic but in general I would say that pregnant women nursing mothers mothers of young children should be at home with those
03:58:45
Rachel Wilsonchildren if you look um at the statistics in 1940 only about 6% of American women who had children under five worked outside the home mhm now
03:58:55
Rachel Wilsonthat number is like 58% it's like super high most little babies and little children's moms spend most of their day at the office and as a mother 95 95% of
03:59:07
Rachel Wilsonall the time you'll ever spend with your child is gone by the time they turn 18 you don't ever get those years back you don't ever get to do that over you don't ever get that time so to me you're
03:59:20
Rachel Wilsonyou're taking a precious finite gift that you have you're taking this this limited time of your life a short time in your life that you get to spend raising your own children and you're
03:59:31
Rachel Wilsongiving it away to somebody else some $111 $12 an hour daycare worker because you think being at the office is more important and I understand completely that we're brainwashed and propagandized
03:59:42
Rachel Wilsonto think that I was told all the time time from the time I was little you have to go to college you have to have a career you have to have your own money because if you don't what what do they say well happen to you if you don't have
03:59:53
Rachel Wilsonyour own money if you don't have your own job what's going to happen you'll get trapped a man could abuse you what if he leaves you what if he dies what if he
04:00:03
Rachel Wilsoncheats but nobody ever asks uh wait what if I spend all of my years going to college to be a a surgeon right I want to be a neurosurgeon like a really important
04:00:14
Rachel Wilsonjob I'm shooting for the Stars nobody ever says well wait a second what if you get in an accident and uh you know your arm gets broken and you can't do surgery or what if you get arthritis and you
04:00:25
Rachel Wilsoncan't use the scalpel anymore like what if your eyesight goes bad and you can no longer perform surgery nobody fearmongers women about all the things that can go wrong when you base your
04:00:36
Rachel Wilsonwhole life around your career they only fearmonger women about what could go wrong if they base their life around being a wife and mother and I just think you guys probably don't ever get a chance to hear anybody say
04:00:49
Ellenthat to you so I wanted the chance to say it I actually really appreciate hearing a different perspective um and I feel like you're very like well knowledged so
04:00:59
Ellenit's very interesting um what you have to say so thank you I just wanted to say that yeah thanks I'm I'm glad that you guys wanted to listen but if anybody has like an objection or like a A counterargument or you're listening to
04:01:12
Ankame and you're like well wait a minute but what about about this Rachel or what about that you know I'm happy to hear it if you have any objections or other thoughts about that I think that it is perfectly fine like I agree
04:01:24
Ankawith your Viewpoint you know you should be there in your child's formative years um I also think that I want a choice that where maybe I don't know if I see a
04:01:34
Ankafuture with having kids in it and if I want to be that neurosurgeon if I want to be an anesthesiologist whatever that I can do that without having to worry about someone saying you're wasting all
04:01:46
Ankayour childbearing ears or you want to be a stay-at-home wife like I mean I like I said again I my mom's a stay-at-home mom I love her um I think being a
04:01:56
Ankastay-at-home mom's like amazing but I also think that a lot of women um their their mothers weren't allowed to have the choice to do what they want or be who they wanted because they were
04:02:08
Ankaraising them and I think that if they you know maybe they don't want kids and they do want to pursue their career goal that they should be free to okay so you guys were talking earlier about South Korea and how it has the
04:02:20
Rachel Wilsonlowest birth rate on planet Earth right now which it does it's like 1.6 child per woman uh but did you know that the whole world except for a handful of African countries in Israel are well below replacement and have been for a
04:02:33
Rachel Wilsonlong time if you guys follow Elon Musk on Twitter he's probably the most famous person who's talked a lot about the birth rate collapse and what it could mean um and so basically in in the year
04:02:44
Rachel Wilson2024 we've got uh planet-wide Logistics that have pretty much wiped out hunger the only places where there's still hunger there's um kind of like extenuating circumstances reasons why
04:02:56
Rachel Wilsonthat's still a problem but in all the developed Nations like nobody has starved to death in the United States for many decades it's not a thing and the reason that's the case is because we
04:03:07
Rachel Wilsonhad this big population boom during the Industrial Revolution another baby boom after World War II and with all of the time and human capital and um Brilliance
04:03:18
Rachel Wilsonof people problem solving and just more people in general we've been able to eradicate a lot of problems we used to have with things like hunger getting resources where they need to go if we experience population collapse which we
04:03:31
Rachel Wilsonare if it keeps going where it's going now we're going to start having problems and we're already seeing that so Supply chains we're already seeing some supply chain failures because there's simply not enough labor we don't have enough people it's one of the reasons there's
04:03:43
Rachel Wilsonso much illegal immigration but even the places where those illegal immigrants were coming from their populations are now well below replacement rates so we're running out of people to even
04:03:53
Rachel Wilsonimport places like Japan and Canada don't have enough young people to uh support the elderly populations there's just not enough young people to you know pay into the social security system or
04:04:05
Rachel Wilsonwork at nursing homes or work in senior healthare to take care of the elderly so again we can say it's really nice oh I want want the chance to follow my dream of being a neurosurgeon and I'm sure
04:04:17
Rachel Wilsonthere's always going to be some women who do that but let me ask how many of the women here have a college degree everybody raise your hand if you got a degree there's oh a lot of you okay what's your degree in just go
04:04:31
Lexiaround and just tell me real quick what your degree is in to start I have my associates in Social and Behavioral
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UnknownSciences okay and next um just Associates okay in what what
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Chloefield um in like mathematical okay uh next number five you have a psychology but I don't really
04:04:59
Rachel Wilsonintend to use my degree I just wanted to get it yeah psychology is probably the most oversaturated and most female field at the moment so it's tough to get a good paying job and then next what's
04:05:11
Ellenyours I'm currently obtaining a ba and Ze and brain okay and next Health
04:05:18
Rachel WilsonScience Health Sciences okay next uh polyi and Eon okay uh are all of you so one of you said you're not intending to work in the field are the rest of you
04:05:29
Rachel Wilsonall intending to have careers in the field you're getting a degree in okay and did you probably most of you said yes did you notice that it's
04:05:41
Rachel Wilsonusually the same stuff like I was saying it's like health care it's psychology it's like behavioral stuff um most of you aren't going to be like Structural Engineers most of you aren't going to be like building life-saving medical
04:05:53
Rachel Wilsondevices or you know any of those like super essential jobs um I mean nursing there's some things you could argue are pretty essential but men could do those jobs too so why would it not be smarter
04:06:05
Rachel Wilsonto have all of you ladies here if we had raised you different if we had raised you to say being a virtuous woman who is a good mother and a good wife and a good caretaker and a good member of the
04:06:17
Rachel Wilsoncommunity you know you're doing all the community stuff women used to do like uh organizing Community functions and church things and uh programs for kids and just all those support roles that women used to do would it be a better
04:06:30
Rachel Wilsonworld if we were raising all of you girls to do that instead of raising you to start your only fans uh go to college earn a degree by the way I bet a lot of you have some college debt the average
04:06:42
Rachel Wilsonwoman has like $40,000 in college debt after she graduates so now you're having to go into your 20s with a whole bunch of debt and a degree that you may or may not be able to find a job in that you
04:06:53
Rachel Wilsonmay or may not like the job right and you're forgoing all of the childbearing years to chase that stuff do you think that that's like a net positive do you think that's a smart like if you were
04:07:04
AnkaKing Of The Nation or queen of the nation would that be how you'd want to organize things um can I say I just want wanted to say that I get why why you're asking
04:07:16
Ankathis line of question I just don't see it being um asked to men a lot like why did you choose to be a neurosurgeon why don't you just you know do this line of work instead why do you choose to be ambitious like I feel like it's so
04:07:28
Ankadirected at women like why did you choose to like um leave your virtuous wom duties and pursue a career but I really don't see that cost and I I understand why you know I understand
04:07:41
Rachel Wilsonthere's traditional duties assigned to and women but you know society's change and I I don't understand why we still have to go through this line of questioning well I'll tell you why because the current state of things is
04:07:53
Rachel Wilsoncompletely unsustainable people ask me all the time what do you think's going to happen how do we battle feminism how do we battle the problems of in modernity that we have with falling birth rates and broken
04:08:05
Rachel Wilsonfamilies High divorce rates and people not even bothering to get married anymore and nobody having babies what do you what should we do ra how do we fix this and I'm like it's a self-correcting
04:08:14
Rachel Wilsonproblem cuz this situation is totally unsustainable the future if everybody turns out if all the young women are raised like you girls and they have your mentality and this is not a dig at any one of you individually because I
04:08:27
Rachel Wilsonunderstand exactly the world you were raised in the propaganda you were raised with everything from pop music to movies to every TV show you've ever watched tells you you need to be a strong independent woman and have a career and
04:08:40
Rachel Wilsonfollow your dreams and all that stuff I get it but the future F if everybody follows your path is there is no future there's no world because there's no people there's nobody to keep the lights
04:08:51
Rachel Wilsonon uh and Humanity dies out and the reason why when you say why do we have to endure this line of questioning it's because only one of us can have the babies the men can't have the babies
04:09:03
Rachel Wilsonthey can't justatee a child for 9 months and birth it and nurse it and raise it and we need the men to be making the world livable for the only people who can do that which is women so all of the
04:09:15
Rachel Wilsonother jobs all the careers we've talked about those careers exist to support one occupation one purpose which is being a
04:09:25
Rachel Wilsonmother the world around you the reason it's built is so that future Generations can be born that's the only reason for it what good is a world full of technology and robots and Wi-Fi and
04:09:37
Rachel Wilsonelectricity if no one's going to be born into it if if we're having like one child per woman in fact in the United States we have uh Rising mortality rates for the first time since the Industrial
04:09:50
Rachel WilsonRevolution we're the only developed nation in the world that has Rising mortality rates meaning more women are dying in childbirth than years past it's on the rise why would that
04:10:00
Rachel Wilsonbe anybody take a guess as to why mothers would be dying more in child birth in America now than they were the last like 60 70 years they start having babies later on their life you got it
04:10:12
Rachel Wilsonthat's exactly right right the rising uh maternal age is the reason for that so having babies when you're 35 Plus is a lot riskier it's a lot riskier to the Mom it's riskier to the child and what
04:10:24
Rachel Wilsonhappens when we train women to do education and career first and then think about family when they're in their 30s 40s you maybe get one to two children that's it so I understand on an
04:10:36
Rachel Wilsonindividual level you might be annoyed and be like well but my dream of uh you know whatever you wanted to do I think you said uh some kind of healthcare related field I mean that's cool and everything
04:10:47
Rachel Wilsonbut you won't have a world there won't be a world left for you to do anything in if we don't have kids so I've asked this question before but I want to ask you guys going
04:10:57
Rachel Wilsonaround if if it was the case that you had a choice you could either do what you want with your life you could follow your dreams and have a career or and if
04:11:08
Rachel Wilsonyou do that if all of you did that the human race dies out in 300 years from now or if all of you decide okay we're going to have children and be moms but you don't get to chase your personal
04:11:20
Rachel Wilsondreams and your your career goals and your material Ambitions but the human race gets to survive which would you
04:11:29
Giannapick personally I would choose my career just because I don't want children and although that doesn't really matter to
04:11:40
Giannathis exact question I think that we're all going to die at some point and I mean if you're not living your life for you then what are you living it for
04:11:51
GiannaI mean I don't know that's my personal opinion though everybody else can be different all right what what about number two well you said something
04:12:01
Cenaearlier about how like it's mainly men who are doing the engineering and like the lighting and stuff but I I'm currently in engineering and there
04:12:12
Cenathere's been like a a lot of women in engineering too and this might be like a Sidetrack but what would happen like to those women who are chasing after that
04:12:22
Rachel Wilsondegree would they just not achieve it then yeah so in the hypothetical scenario I just laid out yeah um I'm just asking you personally if if if they
04:12:33
Rachel Wilsoncame to you and they said look ladies we're recruiting moms because otherwise we're projecting that humanity is going to die out in 300 years so we're asking you please stay home and have children but I mean we're going to let you choose
04:12:45
Rachel Wilsonyour career if that's what you want to do but if you do do that if most of you do that you know we only got about 300 years left before Humanity dies out what would you choose and I'll answer the question about what would happen to the other women in a minute I would stay
04:12:58
Lexihome and take care of my children okay what about number three I don't know I feel like that's a
04:13:06
Lexireally really tough thing to decide on but H I feel like okay can I ask you a
04:13:18
Lexiquestion and then depending on your answer do you think it's smarter for women to have their kids and then once they hit 18 then start a life or do you think a woman's life should just be
04:13:31
Rachel Wilsonraising her kids I think we give women uh bad advice because we tell them to do everything backwards I think it's inverted so I think uh you should spend your early
04:13:43
Rachel Wilsonadulthood finding a good husband and having your family and once your kids get older say your youngest is like 10 or 12 you can start making moves toward okay maybe I want to do this you know
04:13:55
Rachel Wilsononce they're out of school maybe uh once they're all grown up and moved out maybe I want to do this occupation or I want to go to college for this yeah you can start like going part-time to college paying it a piece at a time you can start preparing yourself for other
04:14:06
Rachel Wilsonthings because there's a lot of life after I'm 44 years old uh my oldest two are in their 20s and moved out the youngest who are still at home and so I can do some stuff like this you know now I I have a book that I wrote and I can
04:14:18
Rachel Wilsoncome on and talk to you guys I can do some more fun things but I put in you know what uh about 18 years of child raising before I really got to that and everybody told me I was doing it wrong
04:14:31
Rachel Wilsonthey were like oh you're oh it's such a shame your life's going to turn out horrible you're you're making the wrong choice you're going to regret it you're going to wish that you had your own money and your own job and blah blah blah blah blah it's that that's not how it turned out for me and I think that
04:14:45
Rachel Wilsonall women could do it that way and they did like we have a lot of uh incorrect ideas about what life was like for women before feminism they weren't all chained to stove and not allowed to leave the house and all that [ __ ] that's all
04:14:56
Rachel Wilsonbaloney but what I what I'm trying to get at here is like each of you when we talk about Which choice you'd make like the career or the babies we've asked this before and I'll let you keep going around but usually it
04:15:09
Rachel Wilsonends up being well I'm going to do what makes me happy and if human it dies it dies but men don't ever even really get that choice men don't ever even contemplate that men are like well the
04:15:21
Rachel Wilsonworld needs to be built you know men don't get value just from being cute like you guys could do nothing you could just sit there and every word that comes out of your mouth can be absolutely R worded and you can be total AirHeads and
04:15:34
Rachel Wilsonbe totally good for nothing and as long as you're cute some man is gonna love you and pay your bills and give you whatever you want and do whatever he needs to do to make you happy men don't have that men have to provide value or
04:15:45
Rachel Wilsonnobody gives a [ __ ] about them and even when they do provide value people still don't give a [ __ ] about them men have always been Expendable they're always going to be Expendable according to the world that's just how it is so men know
04:15:57
Rachel Wilsonlike well if the concrete needs to be laid I'm going lay the concrete if the power lines are down I'm going to go outside and like figure out how to get them back up men don't have this idea that there's no Duty for them and that their life is just about them and what
04:16:10
Rachel Wilsonthey want to pursue it's just not like how how how the male mindset works and the way we raise women now it didn't used to be that way but the way we raise it now most young women have no like if
04:16:21
Rachel WilsonI asked you what's a duty you have to the world outside yourself I doubt you'd have anything for me but if anybody does please let me know does anybody here think they have a duty to society
04:16:32
Cenaoutside of themselves isn't it to birth kids and take care of them to produce more like to grow the human Humanity or whatever I would say that's what I would
04:16:44
Rachel Wilsonsay I'd say we have a duty to continue the human race but in times past when I've asked girls on this panel that question they all say no they say I don't have a duty to have kids you can't tell me I got to
04:16:55
Rachel Wilsonhave kids chair one said she doesn't really want kids uh the girl over here in the Green Top said she probably doesn't want kids how many of you want
04:17:05
Rachel Wilsonkids okay a few of you do and several of you don't so I mean that would be great if women were doing their duty but they're not they're the average American
04:17:16
Rachel Wilsonwoman's having like 1.8 kids and childlessness will reach an alltime unprecedented high within the next 7 years the majority of women of fertile age will not have children and will just
04:17:28
Rachel Wilsonbe working in the future that's a huge problem and I think that it's a big mistake to raise women and train them to have this mindset that well it's just about me and what I want it's about me
04:17:39
Ankaand my dreams and it's about like don't you think that that's probably like a bad idea anybody I think it it might be a little
04:17:51
Ankaunfair to put this extreme ultimatum on us that like um I get it what you're saying you know the population has to go on I just don't want to like put this question on me that like oh I'm not
04:18:03
Rachel Wilsondoing my part in Saving Humanity I just I don't know we might not want to but that's reality and you know we so what if um men just what if we had a panel of
04:18:14
Rachel Wilsonmen and they were like yeah you know what I really want to do I want to start my World of Warcraft Guild I'm just really passionate about Warcraft you know and I really don't feel like I
04:18:25
Rachel Wilsonshould have to get up and go to work and run things I just really don't feel like you know I know the water treatment plants need somebody to like provide clean drinking water but what about me and my dreams what about me and my goals
04:18:38
Rachel Wilsondo you think that society would be like well that's okay uh George don't worry about it just just concentrate on your Warcraft Guild and if people start dying from you know untreated drinking water
04:18:49
Rachel Wilson[ __ ] them you know I mean it's just like it's fine to sit there and say well I don't think this is fair to me but that's completely delusional that's not reality do you I mean life isn't life
04:19:02
Ankaisn't fair where did you get this idea that like you should just be able to do what you want and it's all about you I I I mean I agree with that statement life isn't fair I just I want to do what I want I mean if that involves being
04:19:15
Rachel Wilsonselfish and you know signing away Humanity so be it okay so why should a man marry you then if that's your mindset if that's your attitude why would any man on this planet ever marry you any guy who ever dates you should
04:19:28
Brian Atlaswatch this podcast wait and hear what you just said before I before you give Rachel the answer can you just repeat that one more
04:19:36
Brian Atlastime just the way you said it what something about well selfish and if Humanity has to wither away so I can get
04:19:47
Ankawhat I want so so I'm so selfish for pursuing a Nursing degree wanting to help others I'm very selfish and if I want to sign away Humanity so be it if
04:19:58
Brian Atlasso if the entailment is that Humanity cease to ceases to exist but you get what you
04:20:06
Rachel Wilsonwant uh Fair tradeoff sure say like I said like I said you can you can do that it's a free country it's a free country but if I were any man who
04:20:18
Rachel Wilsonwas going to date you I would hear you say that and I would be like nope because this chick is not going to be loyal she's not going to think about me she's going to put herself first she doesn't really care as long as she gets what she wants and she thinks that
04:20:30
Ankathat's fine you can go as far as to refer them to this podcast and put them on any future dating profile that I said this and I literally will not give it
04:20:40
Ankalike I'm just saying that like um my main goal in life is not to be um a stay-at-home wife um or uh a like a a
04:20:51
Ankagood wife or any for that matter of the fact I don't want to like what's your goal if I never marry a man then so be it so I don't know what you are saying with the whole um who wants to marry you
04:21:04
Rachel WilsonI don't think I ever put it out that I want to marry someone so all right so what's your what's your goal what's this big dream dream you have that's worth you know Humanity has to die I never get married
04:21:17
AnkaI end up alone it's fine because I have my dream what's the dream I mean I I like I like nursing I want to be a nurse anesthesiologist I want to help
04:21:27
Ankaout in the O room and with surgeries um I know that you're asking this as a hypothetical question I just don't really think that the entire world
04:21:37
Ankarevolves around me and what I do um and so I I don't know where getting this oh I have to you know sign away humanity and like end the world I know I know but you're putting these pretty heavy
04:21:49
Rachel Wilsonultimat on mind was the common mindset we'd all be screwed but but let's just take you let's just say okay all the other women are going to have the babies and you're the only one who decides not
04:21:59
Rachel Wilsonto uh how long do you think being an O nurse anesthesiologist is going to be fun and fulfilling for you for the rest of my life as long as I want it to be
04:22:08
Ankaand then I'll travel I don't I I honestly I mean as as of right now I'm not saying my viewpoint won't change later I just like having kids and being
04:22:20
Ankaum a wife isn't my goal it's not my dream and you know this is America we can say what we want and do what we want and that's what I'm saying oh yeah I'm saying you absolutely can of course you
04:22:32
Rachel Wilsonhave the option I'm not going to stop you I'm not suggesting that anyone pass a law that prevents you from following your dream of being an O nurse anesthesiologist but as someone much older than you I'm going to tell you
04:22:44
Rachel Wilsonright now I will be shocked I will eat my hat if in 20 years you come back to me and you say oh my gosh you were so wrong Rachel being an O nurse anesthesiologist is everything I thought
04:22:55
Rachel Wilsonit would be I love the grind it's so much fun it's so fulfilling for me I'm sure I'm glad that I never got married and had a family cuz now like I can do
04:23:06
TTS Readerthis and travel like I I'll just be shocked cuz all everybody that when they're 20 or five Ogle donated $200 thank you j s just disqualified herself
04:23:18
TTS Readerfrom many future partner live on air if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want it's a fair trade off WTF thank you Ogle we have another one coming in also from ogul appreciate the uh TTS do
04:23:30
Ankayou have a response to Ogle who said I want any man live on air say disqualified herself from any future partner live on
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TTS Readerair I oel donated $200 ch7 wants to be an anesthesiologist but also doesn't care about humans
04:23:50
Brian Atlascontinuing to exist lowkey scary combo if you were like doing a surgery on like Trump like would you like [ __ ]
04:23:59
Ankaup his anesthesia no that's obviously not the duty of any healthcare worker is to treat every single person as equal okay just check I'm just like looking
04:24:09
Cenaout for Trump you know cuz like May okay good talk all right we have a chat Cena read this one for us Rachel cook cook that
04:24:21
CenaRose these young ladies objectively have never been exposed to the history of feminism Western and Eastern feminism Russian chocolates for you and Andrew Joe Murphy thank you for the message man
04:24:34
Brian Atlasreally appreciate it thank you so much man I do appreciate it and then we have libertariat Prime thank you so much for the 20 gifted memberships really appreciate it uh Rachel did you have more did you have a
04:24:46
Ankaresponse um I just think that you guys are taking it so literally when you're like oh what I do dictates Humanity I mean yes I know I said that in that extreme hypothetical if it was like oh
04:24:57
Ankawhatever I do does says you know then Humanity's off but like I mean I'm doing what I want to do at this moment and these are my career goals and my future goals and I I don't see why like you're
04:25:09
Rachel Wilsonlike I'm going to threaten you with this oh you're you know not threatening you I'm not even trying to shame you like I I get where you're coming from uh but how old are you I'm 23 23 and do you
04:25:20
Rachel Wilsonhave a job right now yes what kind of field of work are you working in right now I'm a nursing assistant I work full-time okay is working awesome like are you do you get up in the morning
04:25:32
Rachel Wilsonyou're like oh my God work yes another 40-hour work week this is amazing can't wait genuinely yes I work in one of the
04:25:41
Rachel Wilsonbest hospitals um I love serving the population yes I do okay fair enough I'm just saying usually by the time you get to be 40 45 50 years old and you ask
04:25:53
Rachel Wilsonpeople do you love working they're generally kind of like I can't wait to retire this sucks I would love to retire even if they started in a career that they love I'm just saying there's a lot more to life than your job and I think
04:26:05
Rachel Wilsonit's kind of sad if your whole life and your whole identity and your whole self worth is tied up in your job I I think there's more to life than that I agree when you're on your
04:26:16
Brian Atlasdeathbed are you going to like look back to that like one like super dope op uh like Magnus Opus like surgery that you did like the anesthesia is just [ __ ]
04:26:25
Brian Atlason point like [ __ ] dude I I hit the I hit the [ __ ] the [ __ ] vein like super proper and it was like the [ __ ] Boom the vein just boom right in the [ __ ] they're all passed out like and
04:26:38
Rachel Wilsonyou're just like looking back at it you're like [ __ ] yeah I [ __ ] killed that [ __ ] Brian thank you for having me on so much and by the way I don't hold any of any of anything we talked about against any of you personally it's just we're all just chatting right so thank
04:26:51
Rachel Wilsonyou so much for entertaining my questions and conversing with me totally appreciate it I'm going to let Mr Andrew take back over so thank you Rachel appreciate it thank you thank you yeah like that one surgery or is if you're
04:27:04
Ankaasking am I going to uh remember a specific surgery when I'm on my deathbed no but will I remember the happiness and fulfillment I bought to people yeah when I was was serving them and serving the community then yes is there like a
04:27:15
Brian Atlasspecific kind of surgery like practice that you want to do like there's like you want to do [ __ ] for like a plastic surgeon or um I'd probably want to work with trauma trauma okay so like trauma
04:27:28
Brian Atlascases like in Missouri with gunshot wounds or something sure yeah yeah okay that's cool there I mean there's like a lot of 13-year-old 13-year-olds getting um shot
04:27:40
Brian Atlasat by police officers Missouri in Missouri Missouri that need um anesthesiologist to um anyways good talk uh okay we're gonna
04:27:52
Brian Atlasget into some of the more more of the show notes here um I'm trying to oh we got to do the bow video let's do the bow video all right so this is a video of my
04:28:02
Brian Atlasex-girlfriend I took it uh a while ago uh this is my expectation like on a first date kind of like what I expect from a girl go ahead play it
04:28:13
Brian Atlasboom huge bow huge bow and then you know she scampers to get the laundry done after this is after one a podcast day so um
04:28:25
Brian Atlasand then my my dinner was ready it was a long podcasting day she had my um beer you know gets my beer opens it for me um has my dinner ready I had to sculpture
04:28:36
Brian Atlasabout those just random Tomatoes I don't I don't really so good I'm not a big tomato guy but yeah um so that and then play the bow play it play it boom huge bow um so what you guys I'm
04:28:50
Andrew Wilsonjust I guess going around the table would you I also point out how disappointed I am with your ex here that you know she she stirred the noodles in front of you and it was just it was very
04:29:02
Brian Atlaslight it was a very light stirring the seasoning was on like I saw the seasoning and she really didn't didn't spread it out like she should have ran it was it was um I was upset so I guess
04:29:13
Brian Atlasgoing around the table uh would you bow for your man no yes in Thailand yes not here in America
04:29:24
Brian Atlasnope in Alabama no Alabama in Maine I'm thinking if this is a diff if there's a different
04:29:34
Pastate you might um I wouldn't bow to any guy in like any country unless it's in Thailand because it's actually
04:29:43
Pawhat about TI toown No Chinatown well if it's like um family members here then yes you know like I don't mean to a partner in general like maybe like a uncle or something so okay you went into
04:29:56
Chloeit okay that's fine uh what about you Chloe if it's a custom of some sort then it's disrespectful not to and in other certain
04:30:05
Chloecontexts maybe um on a day-to-day basis no don't you you date a Korean guy though do you think we're bowing to each other every day throughout the day I
04:30:17
Tiffanydon't know but like culturally it would make sense like in that culture right no it no it wouldn't why not why don't bow to their husbands in Korea I don't know why people say that don't like your ERS
04:30:29
Andrew WilsonI thought bowing was like common in Asian cultures uh yes they do if you're younger that's not true like that's literally not true yes husbands in South Korea most definitely do or do get vowed to by their wives
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Ellenand most definitely in North Korea as well that definitely is true um I have not seen that in South Korea you don't see them bow to their bosses ever okay to their B it's a respect thing but not
04:30:54
Andrew Wilsonto their spouses and it happens in individual homes just like it happens with the boss if you're a traditionalist family it does happen of course it does no it doesn't yeah okay well that's fine you can say that I mean my brother who
04:31:06
Andrew Wilsonwas in the Army came back with a Korean wife and that chick [ __ ] bowed to him I can tell you that and uh her her family was very traditional and her parents the mom bowed to her as well so I don't know what the [ __ ] you're
04:31:18
Tiffanytalking about that's probably why he married an Asian woman too because he because he's [ __ ] awesome no no no no because white men who marry Asian women
04:31:29
Tiffanylike actual actual Asian women in Asia are like they kind of like the submissive Factor so you're not submissive good yeah good wait are you
04:31:39
Brian Atlasnot submissive huh are you not submissive Tiffany I could be to the right man you have a white boyfriend what are you talking about okay but are you throwing your white boyfriend under the he's not into
04:31:52
Tiffanylike Asian women he's not into Asian women he's not into me because I'm more I'm more submissive than other women of other races wait
04:32:06
Tiffanywhat exactly what I said he's not fetishing you're not yeah he's not fetishizing me okay but I'm just like you're saying
04:32:15
Ankathat white men date okay I don't know whatever a fetishisation to be attracted to an Asian woman that's not a fetish I didn't say it was but in certain cases you know fetishization can appli to any
04:32:28
Chloewoman any yeah but it can apply to anything you could fetishize a table like but but somebody who says well my preference of Attraction is Asian women that's not a fetish I'm a table I think there's a stereotype that Asian women
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Chloeare more submissive than other races and so sometimes men will definitely go after them specifically because they think they're going to bow down to them not just them Eastern Europeans too and good what what the hell is wrong with a
04:32:52
Andrew Wilsonman wanting a more submissive woman from a culture where submission is taught into the woman that she's not going to be Ving and a headache and a problem and things like this but rather she's going to do her duty to her family I I don't
04:33:04
Brian Atlaseven understand the problem with that that seems completely fine to me they're both happy with it then yeah yeah do we go around the table every on the bow would you bow I don't know where we left off did we get Ellen's
04:33:17
Brian Atlasanswer uh I don't know did you give your answer would you bow I gave my answer already she said no we'll hear from her when she's back would you bow for uh your boyfriend no
04:33:29
Brian Atlasokay would you bow for a boyfriend no into the mic into the mic no sorry no Tiffany you already conceded on this
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Brian Atlasargument last show yeah okay well all right um I want Ellen's answer when she's back but uh none of you would bow for guy just
04:33:48
Brian Atlascurious I'm going reverse around the table should a guy pay for a first date yes yes I think it depends on who asks the person out have you ever asked a guy
04:33:59
Brian Atlasout on a date yeah more often than not how many First Dates have you been on I don't know a couple I don't I don't keep a tally of them can you move your M more
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Brian Atlasmove your mic this way for me like yeah um of all the First Dates you've been on more often than not who pays for the date I don't I mean most often it's
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Anka5050 um okay I don't know I I like I thought you said it depends who most often it's 5050 most often I mean I yes I don't ask guys out a lot it's happened a couple times um but that you've asked
04:34:33
Brian Atlasguys out yeah so how many times have guys asked you out I don't know I'm in 23 it's been like a long time so you're going going 50/50 on the dates where the
04:34:44
Ankaguy asks you out yes I mean sorry no the guy asked me out then he would have to pay full and if I asked the guy out then I would have to pay full ideally but if he asked me
04:34:55
Brian Atlasto go we're getting very conflicting answers here but so in what instances do you go 50/50 uh the times where you guys both
04:35:05
Ankasimultaneously ask each other out if he says I want to go 50/50 we'll go 5050 how many times has that happened I'm not going to disagree I'm not going to say you should pay for it or should sure sometimes guys will whatever the
04:35:19
Brian Atlasmood whatever the situation is I don't know okay um uh Ellen did you you saw the bow video I know did you give your response would you bow for a guy um like if it was like a traditional thing and no he just wanted you to bow
04:35:31
Ellenfor him I don't see why I would need a bow to be test your respect no and test your submissiveness
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Brian AtlasI guess no wouldn't do it okay and then uh who should pay on the first date I would prefer if the guy pays for me why is
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Brian Atlasthat I don't I just that's my preference okay what informs your
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Ellenpreference traditional gender rules um I mean I I would be okay paying as well how many First Dates have you been on uh like
04:36:12
Brian Atlasfour did you pay on uh did you go 50/50 on any of them I went 50/50 on one of them and the other three the guy paid yeah did you say hold on sir no no no I
04:36:24
Brian Atlasinsist on 50-50 or did you let them pay we just we just split it oh like when the times they paid the three times they paid I just let them pay you didn't you
04:36:33
Brian Atlasdidn't protest out of your feminism or I said I can pay and then they were like you didn't insist though I didn't insist you didn't ins I suggest it what about you who should pay on the first date um
04:36:45
ChloeI'm the type of person to fight over me being the one paying I don't like people paying for things for me I feel like I owe something to them afterwards so I
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Chloeprefer to pay for myself regardless and even dates I go on with my partner I mean I'll pay the full thing too and sometimes he'll pay the full thing it doesn't matter mhm okay pause I like to
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Paplay Card roulette so is that you kind of just like ask the waiter to close their eyes
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Andrew Wilsonand whatever card they pick that's who pays just like um a fun oh come on and all the dates you've been on no not all
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Paall of them that you can tally up was the man way more likely to pay than you um actually no but I don't mind um and the reason why that is is because
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Pausually I'm the one who picks the restaurant and I'm like a foodie so we usually go to more high-end places and that's why I always offer like my did you say you were dating somebody right
04:37:47
Andrew Wilsonnow I'm going on dates but no yeah the last date you went on who paid um it was 50/50 and the DAT before
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Pathat um probably him I don't know and what about the one before that probably 50/50 probably or was well I don't know
04:38:08
Andrew WilsonI don't really you don't remember who paid on on three dates um well I mean I haven't gone on many like as of recently so you've gone on many great okay so if you've gone on
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Pamany not many she hasn't gone on many oh I hasn't gone on many Okay but well what does recently mean um recently like a day just a few days ago but before that
04:38:30
Paprobably like like a while ago you know how long is that how long is a while ago um probably 2 weeks before got my ankle injury so around that
04:38:42
Andrew Wilsonthen well how long ago was that like two weeks ago 2 weeks ago so so you went on date two weeks ago and the date you went on before that was how many weeks before