HEATED DEBATE With California Boss Babe Feminists?! Andrew Wilson! Goth Dating?! | Dating Talk #215
Date: 2024-11-25
Duration: 9h 08m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_01TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Lexi(guest)
SPEAKER_03Anka(guest)
SPEAKER_04Tiffany(guest)
SPEAKER_05Ellen(guest)
SPEAKER_06Gianna(guest)
SPEAKER_07Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_08Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_09Rachel Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_10Alyssa(guest)
SPEAKER_12Pa(guest)
SPEAKER_13Chloe(guest)
SPEAKER_14Cena(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:14
IntroBrian Atlas opens the show with announcements: BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit, WoW guild on Nightslayer realm, Molten Core raid Dec 12.
“welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast where we try to make sense of the modern dating hellscape I'm your host Brian Atlas”
00:03:20
IntroGianna introduces herself: 18, LA, model, studying psychology online at City College.
“hi I'm gaana I'm from Los Angeles I'm 18 and I'm a model”
00:03:51
IntroCena introduces herself: 18, Canada (Montreal), does OnlyFans, studying engineering. Brian notes she's a returning guest.
“hi I'm Cena I'm 18 my occupation I do only fan and I'm in school for engineering”
00:09:09
IntroChloe introduces herself: 20, lives in South Korea (only here temporarily), model and dancer, studied psychology in university.
“my name is yoa I'm 20 years old I live down in Korea so I actually I'm only here temporarily”
00:13:13
IntroAndrew Wilson introduces himself as host of The Crucible, political analyst.
“my name is uh Andrew Wilson I'm the host of the Cru Crucible it's a popular entertainment Channel on YouTube I'm political analyst”
00:32:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she's never officially been in a relationship, has a graveyard in her phone (changes exes to tombstones). Reveals her 4-year non-relationship was toxic/abusive. He cheated with her best friend while she was pregnant. She put water in his gas tank. Has a 3-year-old son.
“I have like a graveyard in my phone I don't know if anyone's seen that like once you're gone like you get three tombstones”
00:41:00
RelationshipAlyssa reveals she has had 2 abortions, was supposed to get a third but the ex never took her to the appointment (Missouri, abortion was illegal). Son's father told her if something happened to their son (who had a heart murmur) it was 'on my watch.' No child support, no contact.
“I wasn't supposed to I was supposed to get an abortion um oh and it didn't happen so”
00:51:00
Key MomentPa reveals her ankle injury: occurred during an upside-down 69 position (standing 69 → straddle handstand) with her 7-year situationship guy. Tripped over nightstand. Tells her boss a different story (tripped over a curb).
“he was just grabbing me me off from the bed um and because of I guess the like amount of drinks that we've had”
00:54:42
Key MomentChloe reveals she has Ehlers-Danlos syndrome, is blind in her left eye, went to hospital after sex ruptured an ovarian cyst. Graduated high school at 14.
“I'm tiny and um I'm like barely 53 and I have a genetic disorder”
01:09:00
QuoteTiffany on men liking submissive women: 'I don't think they have to but they usually do — men like to provide.' She also argues from 'Why Men Love Bitches' that overly submissive women bore men and men cheat. Andrew disagrees strongly.
“I think men should pay okay um I think I don't think they have to but they usually do”
01:31:20
Key MomentDebate: Zuckerberg (Facebook/Instagram) vs Tim Stokely (OnlyFans) — who caused more harm? Andrew: definitely OnlyFans, produces nothing good, creates parasocial relationships with lonely men. Alyssa and Cena defend OnlyFans. Most guests say Facebook.
“definitely only fans has done more damage”
01:51:40
QuotePa on having a party where she invited all 7 men she'd slept with and made them all wear pink to identify them — without them knowing.
“I only invited seven wait so seven dude was there an orgy afterwards”
02:00:00
ControversyChloe claims she witnessed two friends get shot by police in Jennings, MO at age 13 during Fight Club roughhousing. Andrew challenges the story vigorously, offers $500 for proof, says it would have been national news. Brian says Jennings is rough and takes her word.
“I have seen probably two people with my own eyes but then I have seen in passing as in like heard from everyone”
02:33:20
Key MomentPa's 7-year situationship guy confessed 'I think I'm in love with you' while they were together (he was drunk). She said 'ask me sober' — he hasn't. He then dropped off a book for her the morning of the show.
“he literally just whispered I think I like he said I think I'm in love with you”
03:04:50
Key MomentSelf-ratings round. Guests rate themselves 1-10. Gianna: 9. Cena: 8. Lexi: 7.5. Pa: 6.9-7.2. Chloe: 8. Ellen: 7. Anka: refused. Alyssa: 8.5. Tiffany: 8. Andrew: 10 (non-objective confidence). Discord sends AI-aged forward photos of each guest.
“go ahead I would say a decent 8.7 nine maybe I'll say nine”
03:37:42
Key MomentRachel Wilson (Andrew's wife) joins via Discord. Delivers detailed argument for homeschooling, stay-at-home motherhood, and birth rate concerns. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good; all said yes. Then asks if staying home is a privilege; all said yes. Rachel points out the contradiction. Asks who would choose babies over career if humanity died out otherwise.
“hello ladies hey Brian thanks for having me on”
04:11:10
QuoteAnka's most quotable moment: 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, it's a fair trade-off.' (Later partially walked back.)
“so if it was like the man's going to me... I'd rather choose being mauled”
04:31:40
Key MomentBow video segment: Brian plays video of ex-girlfriend bowing and cooking dinner. Goes around table asking who would bow for their man. Only Tiffany semi-concedes. Brian argues bow takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
“boom huge bow huge bow and then you know she scampers to get the laundry done after”
05:09:00
ControversyAnka says 'if Humanity ceases to exist but I get what I want, that's a fair trade-off' during Rachel's career-vs-babies hypothetical. Chat erupts. Ogle donates saying she's 'disqualified herself from any future partner live on air.' Anka later clarifies she was partly trolling/rage-baiting.
“if it was like oh whatever I do says you know then Humanity's off but like I mean I'm doing what I want to do”
05:17:20
ControversyAnka estimates 50% of men in a forest and 40% of men alone in a room would assault her. Brian challenges the math (66 million American men). Andrew asks if she'd choose assured death over a random man in the forest — she says yes. Extended bear vs man vs velociraptor vs T-rex debate.
“I would say like in the forest if we're talking about just in the forest it's a 50/50”
06:02:21
Key MomentTrans debate: is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Gianna, Anka say yes (straight regardless of surgery). Andrew and Brian argue two males having sex is homosexual by definition. Chloe nuanced (depends on surgery/genuine attraction). Brian sarcastically asks guests to 'affirm his identity' as being correct.
“so just to be clear uh would you guys agree that uh homosexual means same sex”
08:00:00
ControversyAt end of show, Chloe admits she was partly rage-baiting during the show after realizing it was political/debate-oriented rather than a light dating show. Says roughly half her extreme positions were genuine and half were trolling.
“I made a decision when I was going to come on here that if this is one of those rage bait more so political ones then I was just going to act just as rage baity”
Topics Discussed
00:03:20
Introductions & Relationship Status
Guests introduce themselves (name, age, location, occupation). Round of relationship statuses including Chloe's Korea story, Pa's 7-year situationship, Alyssa's abusive ex and child, Tiffany's long-distance relationship. Also covers Pa's ankle injury (sexual stunt).
00:51:00
Sex-Related Injuries & Health Stories
Pa's ankle fracture from upside-down-69 stunt. Chloe's ovarian cyst from sex (Ehlers-Danlos syndrome). Discussion of EDS symptoms.
00:56:10
Men Losing Weight / Loose Skin
TTS question about a man who lost 360lbs with loose skin — would guests date him? Mixed answers; Chloe says she wouldn't due to fear of them regaining weight.
00:59:55
Chloe's Korea Life & Family Background
Chloe discusses living in South Korea, her unusual family (mom on 5th husband, 23 siblings), why she can't date white men, debate with Andrew about sibship/dating logic.
01:13:20
Feminist Identity & Core Values
Do guests identify as feminist? Andrew's definition (egalitarianism). What are guests' core values? What do they bring to the table? Discussion of ideal man attributes.
01:24:20
OnlyFans vs Facebook — Societal Harm
TTS question: has Mark Zuckerberg or Tim Stokely (OnlyFans founder) done more harm? Andrew argues OnlyFans produces nothing good; Cena defends OnlyFans as helping lonely men.
02:43:00
Democracy vs Abortion & Political Questions
Would you support a bill tying abortion rights to military draft eligibility? Who's pro-life vs pro-choice? Would you choose democracy or abortion rights? Most chose democracy. Chloe says she doesn't like the US democracy.
03:04:50
Self-Ratings & Aging Attractiveness
Guests rate their own looks 1-10. Discussion of whether they'll be more attractive in 10/20/30 years. AI aging forward images shown. Self-ratings: Gianna 9, Cena 8, Lexi 7.5, Alyssa 8.5, Tiffany 8, Pa 6.9-7.2, Chloe 8, Andrew 10 (joke), Ellen 7.
03:37:42
Rachel Wilson on Homeschooling & Feminism
Andrew's wife Rachel Wilson calls in. Advocates homeschooling as superior (Tucker Carlson appearance). Argues feminism has led to birth rate collapse. Asks guests if women fighting to work was good, and if staying home is privilege. Heated exchange with Anka about career vs motherhood duty. Rachel argues society is unsustainable if women don't have children.
04:22:00
Who Should Pay on the First Date / Bow Video
Brian plays bow video of ex-girlfriend. Would guests bow for their man? None (except Tiffany conditionally). Debate about first-date paying norms — most expect men to pay. Brian's argument: bowing takes 3 seconds vs man working 5 hours for a $100 date.
05:09:00
Abortion, Women's Rights, Child Support
Do women have equal rights to men? Anka argues abortion is the one area of inequity. Brian points out men have zero reproductive rights. Debate: can a man legally avoid child support? Should taxpayers pay? Andrew's body-our-choice vs responsibility argument. Extended back-and-forth.
05:17:20
Man vs Bear Question
Would you rather encounter a random man or random bear alone in a forest? Chloe, Ellen, Alyssa, Anka chose bear. Gianna, Cena, Lexi, Pa, Tiffany chose man. Anka estimates 40% of men would assault her. Extended Velociraptor/T-Rex variants. Debate about whether bear-preference is sexist.
06:02:21
Trans Identity Debate
Is it straight for a man to date a trans woman? Most guests say yes (pre-op too). Brian and Andrew argue biologically two males having sex is homosexual. Chloe most nuanced; says depends on surgery and genuine attraction. Guests define "what is a woman." Extended philosophical debate with Andrew about self-ID logic.
07:59:00
Body Count Discussion
Is it hypocritical for a high-body-count man to require a low-body-count woman? Chloe says yes. Brian disagrees — asymmetrical attraction is not hypocrisy. Body count round: Gianna 0-5, Cena 3, Lexi 2, Pa 50-60, Chloe under 5, Ellen very low (0-3), Alyssa 100+ (stopped counting), Tiffany 0 (virgin), Anka declined.
08:00:00
Roast Session & Wrap-Up
TTS roast session at $20 threshold. Roasts directed at each chair. Chloe admits she was rage-baiting some answers when she realized the show was political. Final body count round. Brian thanks panelists. Wrap-up and raid.
Transcript
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01:50:04
Lexiways both of you guys should be willing to adapt to each other's lifestyle Lexi what about you um I'm the same way with my height
01:50:15
Lexipreferences and I'm also about 5'2 um minimum height you said 510 right yeah okay higher is like better but you know
01:50:25
Lexitaller would what taller would be better but six feet yeah okay goe but yeah I like athletes I like someone who's fit
01:50:34
Brian Atlasum are you do you do any sports I did do softball softball mhm any current I just
01:50:41
Lexilift just lift okay anything else um honesty humor effort effort okay anything else I don't think so plus what
01:50:52
Paabout you um I like people who are social funny has a job dressed as well Tall um and I don't know just likes to
01:51:03
Patry new things I guess any physical traits um you said tall right did you T okay like fit you know mhm moderately fit anything else um on the top of my
01:51:15
Chloehead that's pretty much it okay Chloe what about you um someone who has appreciation for the Arts whether that be music or dance acting that's important to me um someone who loves animals I don't trust someone who
01:51:28
Chloedoesn't like animals uh nor do I trust someone who animals don't like them um but then I honestly prefer people who are closer to my height um so I'd say my
01:51:39
Chloeideal range is anywhere from like 55 to 5'8 um but uh my the Honduran person I had dated they were about 5'2 so they were a bit shorter than me um and that
01:51:50
Chloewas completely fine as well um um but yeah someone funny someone mature um who has good communication skills okay what about you yeah I think mental maturity
01:52:01
Ellenis like the most important thing for me and along or what comes with that maturity is um being able to see like multiple perspectives like maybe you
01:52:11
Ellendon't have my opinion but like you can see my side uh I like them wait what do you mean by that what what do you mean well like so you're saying let's say
01:52:23
Brian Atlasyou're in a disagreement with your boyfriend or whatever uh and so he's like no this is the way and you're like yeah but I still want you to see my
01:52:35
Ellenside like I like I want him to acknowledge that he or like recognize that I have like a different opinion and then like be okay with that and he can have a different opinion do you know what I mean like but he like he's open
01:52:47
Brian Atlasto seeing multiple perspectives of things and he's not closed-minded what what if he he like no this is the way like this is the
01:52:56
Brian Atlastruth I disrespect your opinion I then I I'm he's a opinion disrespect that's that's a noo noo no I
01:53:06
Ellenthink that's hot no I think that's hot he's a professional opinion disrespect her I feel like you should or at least in like I feel like women let her finish let her finish good I just feel like you
01:53:17
Ellenshould be able to see multiple perspectives like your life view is not everyone's life View and you need to be able to see other people's lives view but what if there is
01:53:28
Andrew Wilsonlike a central truth like what if there is the a truth can you give me an should you well yeah should you see a Serial Killer's Life
01:53:37
EllenView no but no you should see like how they grew up and like maybe things that affected them to be that way and try to give them
01:53:47
Andrew Wilsonhelp yeah but understanding understanding the the idea of like um you know I I can rationalize why you made a decision or rationalize why you
01:53:58
Ellendidn't make a decision is different from agreeing or accepting those things I'm not saying you have to agree with them I'm just saying that you should or accept them right I'm not saying you should accept them I'm just saying that
01:54:09
Ellenyou should listen to them and not like cut them off um and just like understand that other people have different views and that your way is just like not the highway you know what I mean what if it
01:54:22
Ellenis the right way like your way is obviously better than the way of a serial killer right it I mean I guess there are like General morals but I'm just saying more in terms of well we're talking about a relationship so she just
01:54:33
Brian Atlaswants him to be understanding yeah I want him to be understanding essentially yeah you bought it up you had something on that no no I thought she was going to say something different oh okay all
01:54:42
Ankaright uh okay what about you um I would say honest empathetic um athletic or Le at least an
01:54:52
Ankaactive lifestyle are you active I lift I do rock climbing I do Jiu-Jitsu what belt are you I just started it's just been like six months but I just like picking up active hobbies and actually
01:55:04
Brian AtlasEllen going back to you I don't know if we finished if you you had more in fact in your notes you said uh you're open to many topics such as what you look for in a guy so maybe there's a bit more as far
01:55:15
Ellenas what you look for in a guy um I guess like I like humor did I mention that I like humor I feel like okay like my dad's very funny I feel like so like I
01:55:24
Ellenwant a partner that's funny sure anything else um I like ambitious men like they strive for something and they're always working on themselves it
01:55:35
Ellendoesn't have to be like money or like career related it can be just you know lifestyle or working on bettering like communication or anything like that all
01:55:46
Brian Atlasright anything else or that's pretty much it or that's pretty much it anything on the phys physical front on the physical front yeah he um ripped
01:55:56
Ellenshredded not really I are you a chubby chaser I like guys you like fat guys I like guys that um or I would prefer if like they like worked out because I like
01:56:06
Ankato you work out too I I do yoga yoga okay cool anything else for you um just I guess like the our moral values have
01:56:17
Ankato align um are you religious no oh okay and I wouldn't want my part to be really religious either I just don't think that works are you agnostic atheist um just
01:56:28
Brian Atlasatheist okay is your family religious at all yeah they're religious what are they Hindu Hindu okay all right were you
01:56:36
Brian Atlasraised Hindu can do do your parents have any objections to your uh atheism or um no I mean they want me to date you know more or less within my race do you do
01:56:48
Ankayou eat beef in front of them no I just I mean I respect what they want if they say don't cook beef in my house I'm not going to do that okay uh what are you
01:56:56
Alyssalooking for um I would say honesty for sure um and someone who is like fit I guess or average like
01:57:06
Alyssaand like goal oriented and I don't know I don't really do relationships so I don't really yeah and then uh Tiffany
01:57:17
Tiffanyfor me the most important thing is being smart and then being tolerant you huh being tolerant like be
01:57:28
Tiffanylike being tolerating of me because you're annoying sort of yeah they have to tolerate your they have to be calm conduct and they have to be smart there's nothing more I hate more than
01:57:39
Tiffanydumb men just pisses me off okay a lot of dumb men at ucsv and providers they have to be and the provider okay uh I had a quick followup
01:57:50
Brian Atlasto this Brian I do also perhaps we have the same one but right before I um there's a couple chats coming in here I'm going to play one and then guys we
01:58:01
TTS Readerdo have a bit of a delay on these but they'll come in and well met just paladins donated y Paladin thank you sense you like a man who tells you what
01:58:11
Brian Atlasto do and is never wrong hit me up after the show is this for Tiffany she does unfortunately she does have a a
01:58:20
Brian Atlasboyfriend so um sorry L Paladin but um any other girls maybe I don't know thank you L Palin really good to see in the chat Andrew you had a followup was it what do they bring to the table no it
01:58:32
Andrew Wilsonwas uh just a piggyback on this actually before you asked that question I was going to ask what their what their core values are so what just very quickly what your core values are and then you can piggy back with a question of what you bring to the
01:58:44
Andrew Wilsontable is this for the whole panel or yeah yeah just very briefly what are your core values core value core values chair
01:58:54
Giannaone um I would say I think
01:59:02
Giannajust love is like the most important beautiful so beautiful I mean I think just being there for somebody is most important I think intelligence like
01:59:14
Brian Atlasshe said is also very important so intelligence is a core value and just to help them out what would be an example of a a core value I
01:59:26
Andrew Wilsonactually U I actually don't want to help out on this uh I just want to know the answer to what I mean I I don't I don't I don't think people are confused as to what a core value is right so uh J to
01:59:38
Cenawhat's a what are your core values I think I agree with chair one like mainly love okay chair three um like the core values of what I
01:59:50
Lexilook for in a person like no no no your core values oh myself um I would say that I think religion's pretty important I think if you're kind of I don't know
02:00:03
Lexibut I think not pressuring into anything is really important to me yeah that's all I can think of right now okay Jer for what's what are your core values I think I missed a little
02:00:15
Brian Atlasbit oh just your cor core values that's the question um I mean I I gifts give a lot she's A
02:00:24
ChloeGift Giver she gifts gives gifts gifts gifts okay gifts j five what are your core values um probably
02:00:34
Chloecompassion um as well as I like to call myself a lifelong learner so that just means every day making sure you go out there and you learn something new and
02:00:43
Ellenyou better yourself in some way okay J six cor values um empathy I really look for like kindness um I always and then like self-improvement well it's not it's not
02:00:55
Andrew Wilsonit's not what you're looking for it's sorry sorry my core Val your core values your core Val empathy kindness um and then self-improvement just being like a good-natured human
02:01:05
Brian Atlasbeing that's okay what I hope for core values um they have to be on the same page no your core values mine like okay I guess like your core values
02:01:17
Ankaum uh like kind yeah empathetic uh like I guess politically like I care about women's
02:01:29
Alyssarights I care about Reproductive Rights things like that okay next four values um I'd say always trying to be better like never just giving up and there's something that you know you can always
02:01:43
Tiffanywork on okay cor values positivity family life um
02:01:53
Andrew WilsonChristianity and being self-aware mhm I would like to point out before Brian asks his next question that none of you said duty andone if you said anything that was Duty related uh but anyway
02:02:05
Brian AtlasBrian go ahead yeah sure so uh you guys all listed kind of what you want men to bring to the table you guys had various answers to that different answers uh
02:02:17
Giannawhat do you bring to the table go ahead I bring exactly what I expect them to bring so mhm passion
02:02:28
Giannacommitment um just everything I would want I would bring as well do you want a guy to pay for the first
02:02:36
Brian Atlasdate no I don't think you need to I mean yeah all right uh Cena what about you I bring wait hold on just to be in your uh
02:02:47
Brian Atlasquestionnaire you disagreed that women should go 50-50 on the first date um yeah so I so the man should pay on the first date no I I don't think they should go 50/50 I think it doesn't
02:02:59
Giannareally matter doesn't matter whether she pays the full bill or he pays the full bill so kind of I guess I could have put 5050 on that one
02:03:09
Brian Atlasbut yeah so you don't you're fine with you're fine with it being 50/50 then sure you just don't think it has to be
02:03:19
Brian Atlas50/50 okay all right Cena um what you bring to the table the fact that I'll be a housewife for them because if it's a provider man like I don't think this
02:03:31
Cenamight be controversial like I don't think women if you're not providing for your men you can't bring much to the table so like if I'm willing to be a housewife for them I'm willing to cook and clean for them while they work I
02:03:44
TTS Readerthink that's enough okay hold on I'm going to let and well met L paladins donated $200 and 2 cents she has a boyfriend doesn't bother
02:03:55
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02:04:05
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02:04:16
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02:04:25
Brian Atlasjust uh regular regular PVP PVP okay yeah not hardcore
02:04:32
Lexium where were we uh what do you bring to the table um loyalty for sure I also I don't want to be in a marriage where I
02:04:44
Lexisolely depend on my husband because I feel like that gives him a lot of things like that he can hold over my head so I definitely want to be able to be financially independent and take care of
02:04:56
Leximyself and my kids and give them the life I want for us aside from my husband's salary why do you assume that he would hold things above your head
02:05:05
Lexijust if like if I don't have anything and I solely rely on him for everything I have to ask him can I get
02:05:15
Lexithis can I get that um I feel like also like with prenups or anything like that if I probably wouldn't divorce a
02:05:26
Leximan I didn't want to be with if I knew I would be homeless or I wouldn't be in that great of a state after so you wouldn't sign a prenuptual
02:05:38
Andrew Wilsonagreement I don't I think I would because I would have my own money so it doesn't matter I mean if if you're do you plan on having children at some point yes and it's probably going to be
02:05:51
Andrew Wilsonoff for you to stay at home with them right I don't think so you're going to Outsource it what do you mean you're going Outsource you're going to Outsource your children's rais being raised by other
02:06:02
Lexipeople or would you rather raise them I'm definitely going to be a big influence in my children's life it's also part of why I want to go to the PA
02:06:11
Lexiprogram for the lifestyle balance so I'm definitely going to feel like I can also with the help of my partner my part partner and I should both be able to
02:06:23
Andrew Wilsonraise our kids yeah but I mean for for just talking about what's optimal say man he has enough money so that you can stay at home with the kids it would be optimal for you as the mother to stay
02:06:34
Lexihome with the kids rather than Outsourcing their raising to somebody who's not their mother right I don't think I would need to rely on someone else that's not their mom I think like
02:06:46
Lexiof course you might need daycare and nannies well that's Outsourcing right oh but I would probably go with one of my family members and I that's still Outsourcing
02:06:58
Ankaright how many kids do you want probably just like two two kids okay um all right can I ask something yeah is are you saying it's not possible to have a career in kids that's no of
02:07:11
Andrew Wilsoncourse not it's possible talking about what's optimal you think that it's a good idea to Outsource the raising of your children to other people it's not a good idea I'm I mean men do it all the time so I don't really see what your point what do you mean what do you mean
02:07:22
Andrew Wilsonmen do it all the time can men not have a career and raise kids no so that's that's the optimal portion right is that the man has a career right so last I checked in case you don't know this but men can't breastfeed for instance women
02:07:35
Andrew Wilsoncan do that it's a healthiest way to raise a child's on breast milk not with formula we have all the scientific data in planet Earth at this point to prove that so at least within the first year of the child's life the mom probably should be at home with the child if that
02:07:48
Ankais the case then the father probably is going to be working right yes but I mean we've been doing it for Century can you not breast like breast pump and give the milk out yeah sometimes sometimes women have all sorts of different troubles with this they
02:08:01
Andrew Wilsoncan't produce enough milk they can't pump enough milk they can't there's all sorts of things which come up when it comes to breastfeeding so I mean optimally the best thing to do is to let the baby latch on and drink right that's the that's how that's how we've been
02:08:14
Andrew Wilsondoing this for several thousand years now it works pretty good and they get very healthy uh because they get the correct nutrition from their mom and by the way a baby's entire immune system is
02:08:25
Andrew Wilsonessentially formed uh off of those nutrients so yeah it's it's it's pretty good for the children if that's your view on it then what well I mean what's controversial
02:08:36
Andrew Wilsonabout that view a baby's entire uh they're literally like this will affect their IQ it'll affect their development it affects everything affects their immune system if you give a child who's developing poor
02:08:49
Andrew Wilsonnourishment you're setting them up for failure you they'll set them up to be lower IQ have behavioral issues have all sorts of problems of course it's optimal for their mom to be there with them giving them affection and feeding them right okay but where's the Dad at if
02:09:01
Alyssahe's the Dad is working to enable the fact that the mom can do that but it takes it takes two to take to to make a kid right so it should take two to raise that kid and if you need to reach out
02:09:12
Alyssaand if like if she wants to work because she doesn't want to depend on her husband then her getting care for her child shouldn't be a problem at all well it's that's not what we're talking about
02:09:25
Andrew Wilsonthough you're just you're just switching the issue talking about what's optimal not what is possible there's all sorts of Arrangements which are possible you could technically uh raise a a kid in the Playboy Mansion but do you think that that's going to be good for the kid
02:09:37
Andrew Wilsonno of course not no of course not right so it's not optimal so the thing is is like if we're talking about what's optimal not what's possible how are you obviously is if Mommy can stay at home
02:09:48
Andrew Wilsonwith baby and feed baby breast milk and take care and nurture baby obviously that that's optimal well can you give me a single scenario where where there's a where there's something more optimal than that AB so no I'm not saying more
02:09:59
Alyssaoptimal but what if that's not a possibility so my son had a tongue tie and that's a medical problem that's a tongue tie it's a medical problem as to why he couldn't lat onong it is
02:10:10
Alyssaunderneath your tongue it's the thing that is like right there is too long so you have to get it cut you have to go through a procedure to be able to latch onto your mother
02:10:22
Andrew Wilsonokay so there are reasons and there's you know it's not just yeah breast I I don't even understand in that context didn't you just get the procedure and then breastfeed the kid I mean yeah you could
02:10:34
Andrew Wilsonbut do you want to cut your child well what's a problem what you mean is cutting your child's tongue optimal but well let's assume for a second that in this one case where almost nobody has this
02:10:46
Andrew Wilsonproblem I have this problem hang on hang on let me make a case and I'll let you respond I promise right uh let's say in this one case you had to make alternative arrangements or you had to pump or something like this it was less than optimal uh pointing at
02:10:59
Andrew Wilsonthe outlier and saying that that's a standard we should promote seems silly to me yeah I'm sure that there's going to be individual cases of health issues with children where you're going to have to make less than optimal decisions because you're in a less than optimal
02:11:10
Andrew Wilsonsituation but for the vast vast vast majority of all of humanity who exists right this second clearly a woman staying at home with her children is optimal in comparison to Outsourcing their children that that that seems
02:11:23
Alyssaobvious right no it doesn't it it doesn't because you can't just say that everything like that it's op like the world is ridiculous right now like it's
02:11:34
Andrew Wilsonnot like it was back in the day it's not it that's not how things go anymore it because Bill yeah it's not how it goes if you say well I just demand that I go
02:11:45
Andrew Wilsonwork and Outsource my child care then yeah but the truth is is that there's tens of thousands hundreds of of thousands and millions of families all over uh all over the world all over the United States all over South America all
02:11:57
Andrew Wilsonover North all over the place who have dad go to work for very little money and still because they do all sorts of budget cuts in their homes maybe they only have one vehicle right it's tough
02:12:10
Andrew Wilsonbut they make sure that Mom can stay at home with kids because well they're going to get the best nutrition possible and they're going to have their mom what could possibly be more important to a baby than having their mom so let me ask
02:12:20
Andrew Wilsondoes that change how the child turns out oh yeah significantly changes so then how does d some examples then how does
02:12:29
Andrew WilsonDad hang on CH can I add something so here's the examples here's the examples yes uh not only does it affect their immune system affects their IQ it affects their physiology it affects
02:12:41
Andrew Wilsontheir height it affects their weight it affects longterm uh problems inside of a human being's Health it also affects Behavior it affects behavor because you have Detachment problems you have all sorts
02:12:53
Andrew Wilsonof issues that come uh with the feeling of Abandonment when Child Care is outsourced away from the mom and this is one of the most psychologically studied phenomenon on planet Earth along with
02:13:04
Andrew Wilsonthe nutritional values and we see the results of mass inflammation in children ADHD at all-time highs depression all of these different things much of this has been linked to the idea of the Plastics
02:13:16
Lexithat are inside of food lack of nourishment lack of breastfeeding and formula feed um so I would say I would agree maybe in
02:13:27
Lexithe first year a child is born that a mother could take time off to really really tend to her child but my mom has
02:13:37
Andrew Wilsonworked a full-time job since forever and I mean I are you I feel like I turned out pretty good I got my yeah but but here's the thing nobody's
02:13:49
Andrew Wilsondisputing that you can't have good results by doing things in a less than optimal way nobody's disputing that like for instance I suppose that I could
02:13:59
Andrew Wilsonstart a bonfire with a hand grenade right or I can start it with a match I would just say that starting it with the match would be more optimal than starting it with a hand grenade so the
02:14:09
Andrew Wilsonidea here hang on the idea here is just to say right that yes you can have you can have good results and good children and and people who are even even with that but I'm just saying that if we look
02:14:21
Andrew Wilsonat the stats and the data we can clearly see that most people have less than good results and who knows how you would have turned out had mommy stayed home with you the entire time could be vastly
02:14:33
Ankadifferent can I say something did you do everything the optimal way and did your parents do everything the optimal way if you're putting the standard on everyone else let's say for a second they didn't do you understand that when you make an
02:14:45
Andrew Wilsonargument a 2K quo fallacy which is what you're doing right now what about you wouldn't matter let's say for a second my parents did the opposite they were both feminazis and they ran around with blue hair right they hated their
02:14:57
Andrew Wilsonchildren they thought I was complete scum and they completely malnourished me what in the world would that have to do with what was optimal or what wasn't I'm just saying that you're holding everyone to this ridiculous
02:15:07
Andrew Wilsonstandard of every single holding anybody to any standard all I said was what is optimal what is not looking for an argument for why I'm wrong what standard have I held you
02:15:17
Ankato do you guys agree that it's optimal let answer the question what standard I you IDE if us gave longer maternity leave and we were able to be with our children for that full one year yes I
02:15:29
Ankawould say it's optimal but many families cannot survive on one person's salary especially with the economy so right now it's not yeah well then you need to explain why it is that it's the uh least Rich demographic the poorest people have
02:15:41
Andrew Wilsonthe most amount of children what if the poorest people who have the most amount of children also right have mom stay home while dad works right they're underneath that income threshold most of the time and the interestingly enough
02:15:53
Andrew Wilsonwhat happens is the opposite when you have middle class they try to do tend to do what's called Family Planning right and so they want to have kind of a posher lifestyle and often times they do that at the expense of the
02:16:06
Andrew Wilsonchildren I have a question I mean the demographic as most kids is poor poor people though right how long do you think then a woman should
02:16:18
Chloeoptimally stay home with their child what age is it okay for them to then resume their work I think that they should stay home with them until they're nearing adulthood but we send kids to school for
02:16:31
Andrew Wilsonthe whole day when they're in kindergarten you guys want to work I think they hang on I think I think they should be homeschooled okay that was I think instead of using our I think that instead of using our breast our best and
02:16:43
Andrew Wilsonbrightest to go into office buildings all the time right and uh you know go work as uh you know sandwich makers and work in the Serv Serv industry which is where we send them all the time right most of them aren't aren't being the
02:16:55
Andrew Wilsondoctors and lawyers they're mostly working as waitresses and in the service industry think instead of wasting women there we should take our best and brightest and have them raising the next generation of the best and brightest that's what I think I I say that CU I I actually was homeschooled um my entire
02:17:09
Chloelife essentially um but there's definite bad things to homeschooling as well um you don't get the social connect you need
02:17:21
Andrew Wilsonbetween people of your own age so that hinders you completely no completely opposite in fact the public school system because of the way that it's set up if you homeschool all of the extracurricular activities which your
02:17:33
Andrew Wilsonproperty taxes go to pay for you can enroll your children in all of them without ever sending them to that school so if you want them to be on the wrestling team the football team the volleyball team the cheerleading squad or any of these different things guess
02:17:44
Andrew Wilsonwhat you can just send them right along because your tax dollars pay for all that the school can't tell you anything different if you're inside the curriculum so that's completely wrong the socialization aspect of it has been
02:17:55
Andrew Wilsonwell studied they're not antisocial they graduate much earlier than children outside of the homeschool curriculum they do better long-term in most longitudinal studies than people go to
02:18:05
Chloepublic school but I was homeschooled yes and that was not the case where I lived not to mention I was not homeschooled by my parents I was homeschooled by a computer which is what a lot of
02:18:17
Chloehomeschoolers are doing nowadays they get they sit in front of their computer their do you think you do in public school okay but that's raises the same point then do you not feel more neglect if you're being kept at home away from
02:18:30
Andrew Wilsoneveryone else and your family is then also not being kept away from anyone else these are these are this is full of uh red herrings and kind of false anecdotes how are you being kept away from everybody else because you don't
02:18:42
Andrew Wilsonhave to go to a peeee prison where you're locked in a room for 8 hours a day right and forced to learn [ __ ] you don't care about that seems like it's completely suboptimal in fact you know
02:18:54
Andrew Wilsonwhy that exists that system exists for the because working parents need babysitters that's why School lasts eight hours even though every single study we look at shows that young children do not do well when you go past
02:19:07
Andrew Wilsonis somewhere around 3 to four hours of daily education they don't do well but but we make the work the uh the day that long so that parents can go and work and be cogs in the economy does that sound
02:19:17
Chloelike it's a good deal doesn't sound like a good deal to me speak speaking from my own personal upbringing and experience as someone who was homeschooled my entire life when you're growing up and
02:19:29
Chloeyou see the quote unquote let's say a normal childhood you see kids going off to school hanging out with their school friends participating on these clubs that are in school doing all this when you don't get that as a child and you
02:19:41
Chloewere not allowed to get that as a child in that normal experience you feel a certain way about it almost anyone I know who is also homeschooled also has felt that certain way about and it takes a little bit to get over that because
02:19:52
Andrew Wilsonyou're jealous for a while of people who got to do that what what I'm sorry didn't you say that you graduated at 14 and went to college yeah I guarantee you that most of these public school kids
02:20:05
Andrew Wilsonwho had to stay in the peeee prison till they were 18 and their senior year in high school they were taking nothing but electives because they just needed to warm a seat so the school got Federal funding would vastly have preferred to
02:20:17
Andrew Wilsonhave graduated at 14 years old and gone on with their life and every I wish I had stayed behind and gotten to live a normal what was the advantage of staying behind why couldn't you live a normal life at 14 after you graduated because
02:20:29
Chloebeing a 14-year-old in a class with a bunch of 20-some year olds you're not going to make many friends you weren going to what classes were you going to at 20-some you're old at 14 college
02:20:40
Andrew Wilsonclasses you what you weren't enrolled in college going to college at 14 that's ridiculous what did I do in between the years I graduated at I have no idea but you weren't going to college and and
02:20:52
Andrew Wilsonhanging out in rooms with 20-year-olds in college rooms learning that's show me a single picture of this show me show me any any anything backing up that at 14 years old you were going to college
02:21:04
Chloerooms with 20year olds and learning Advanced calculus are ridiculous the most ridiculous thing you've said all night when kids graduate early are they then expected to just sit there and wait
02:21:15
Andrew Wilsonuntil they are of the normal College age to then attend college no the learning doesn't doesn't end just because you graduated that is also absurd you can take what what called College you can you can take what are called college
02:21:27
Andrew Wilsonpre-prep classes you can go to trade schools you can do all sorts of different things with your educ college why why is the expectation that you sit there like a drooling idiot looking at the wall why can't you pursue music why
02:21:40
Andrew Wilsoncan't you pursue art why can't you pursue cooking in other interests hang on let me ask a question he can answer why can't you pursue all of these things that you want to pursue exactly because
02:21:50
ChloeI want to get if I graduate early and my goal is to graduate with a degree yeah then in my head how it was
02:22:00
Chloewhen I was graduating and went off to college if I don't go straight into college I have now wasted my extra years of graduating early why because I
02:22:13
Andrew Wilsoncollege isn't for everyone out of the way yeah first of all college isn't for everyone and it's not and it's not even a boon for most people go through it most people go through it they end up with a lot of debt and they only make a
02:22:24
Andrew Wilsonslight a slight amount more of money and that's after years of still being in an entry level job that's one so the second thing is is having your your general schooling and general education behind you at 13 14 years old and you're on par
02:22:36
Andrew Wilsonwith your 18-year-old peers gives you every advantage to start doing other Pursuits earlier be it music be it trade schools be it cooking Pursuits Hobbies whatever it is that you want to do this
02:22:47
Andrew Wilsonidea that you have to be perpetually schooled is nonsense it's nonsense most people run on passion and when they work around things that they're passionate about they tend to make the most amount of money and have the highest in the
02:22:58
Andrew Wilsonhappiness indexes so it's like why do we have to continuously push down everybody's throat that they need to get a degree in something worthless you know how many political science degrees have sat here and they don't know anything
02:23:11
Andrew Wilsonabout about politics how many women with different degrees have sat here and and they have a degree in Psychology don't know anything about psychology this is not schol is not about rewarding the
02:23:21
Ellenbest and brightest if it was not everybody could go could I ask a question did you go to um like public school or private school
02:23:32
Andrew Wilsonwere you homeschooled uh it was a mix I didn't like School school's not for smart people school's not where smart people go school is where smart people leave that's what smart people do they get the
02:23:44
Andrew Wilson[ __ ] away as fast as they can so that they can go pursue things that are it's like remember watching a video of the guy owns Virgin okay you you might have heard of Virgin ver virgin travels Virgin uh mobile all of this and I
02:23:57
Andrew Wilsonremember him sitting down a room full of Suits who were multi-millionaires and he laughed at them because they all went through their entire life getting degrees and playing the stock market and this and that he said I'm the only billionaire in the room and I'm a ninth
02:24:07
Andrew Wilsongrade Dropout the thing is is like no I don't think that uh education has to do with a school room I think that you need to teach kids how to read write do arithmetic basic English uh right now
02:24:18
Andrew Wilsonyour graduation rates 12th grade they're they're walking out and they can't read at a sixth grade level is who's this helpful to does society seem like it's smarter than it was when people only had an eighth grade education because it doesn't seem like that to
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Brian Atlasme I'm going to let a couple chats come through because there's a bit of a backlog here sorry for the delay on some of these guys Metro mat we got two viers coming in the C we I just wanted to allow the conversation to play out so
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TTS Readergoing to let uh there's about 10 chats coming through so [Music] metr mat donated $200 this panel's last two brain cells
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Brian Atlasare fighting for third place right now have a burrito tonight Brian that is for the Discord game we're playing uh Metro mat thank you for the TTS man do appreciate it no burritos for
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Brian Atlasme tonight I already had one earlier today so uh we I'll have something else you know but thank you Metro mat shout out to the Discord hope you guys are enjoying uh are you playing World of Warcraft is that what it is
02:25:21
TTS Readermetr mat donated $200 ladies would you date a man that's subbed to enough girl when are we going to start blaming the men that supportive
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Brian Atlasgirls Andrew has been stewing shout out Discord fam that did come in uh you know a while ago but uh ladies would you date
02:25:40
Brian Atlasa man that subbed to an only fans girl uh yes or no going around the table really quick please sure yeah yeah okay
02:25:49
Brian Atlasno you would have an issue no what's the issue he's he he's dating you but he's like jerking off to another at the same time he's he's just saying while you're
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Brian Atlasdating he just said if he did no would you date a man that subbed to ANF girl so I assume the question here is not at the same time uh going into the
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Brian Atlasrelationship he would continue subbing to no I think that's my sense of the question well you're an off girl so I think he's asking if he did in the past
02:26:19
Chloeyeah that's what I thought it was right yeah oh that subbed to I don't think that's the question I thought it was cuz
02:26:29
Brian Atlaswouldn't you say Subs cuz sub is past subbed a man that's sub in the past could Subs to be current
02:26:38
Giannatense is that the right word that Subs to that would be current Subs yeah sub to not subbed to he
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Chloesubbed data man that data man that subbed to an unless I think that's un say that's to them during your relationship just
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Brian Atlasanswer both I feel like if you just the operative word that is very important here that subbed current yeah right current tense that subbed prior there
02:27:12
Brian Atlaswas no prior he didn't say prior Metro Matt Bro can you clarify what the [ __ ] dude uh okay here I'm just going to take it my way then he's currently subbed to
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Brian Atlasan O girl and you're dating him is it an issue go ahead no I would not date him okay pause
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Brian Atlaswhat about you no issue okay Chloe no no is it that it is an issue or hello okay skip yes issue okay all right Tiff I
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Brian Atlaswould not Tiffy it's an issue okay all right we have Bender the offender uh including bran andw Dre hypothetical question would you support a bill that if a woman chooses to keep
02:27:53
Brian Atlasthe right to an abortion she would have to be signed up for a draft Civil Service okay dumbest question ever wait um would you support a bill that if woman choose to keep the right to an
02:28:08
Brian Atlasabortion oh uh okay sure um so you guys for in perpetuity get to keep the right to an abortion but you would have to also be subject to military conscription
02:28:18
Brian Atlasdo you make that trade-off how about this wait first off who's pro- life just show your raise of hands pro- life you're in the middle who's pro-choice raise your hands aren't you Catholic
02:28:29
Lexiyeah but I mean i' feel like if it's a right in their circumstances okay um so sounds like yes sir what what
02:28:41
Brian Atlascircumstances do the does the Catholic church support I'm not necessarily representing the Catholic church but just but I mean you're part of the Catholic church right so uh incest sa
02:28:53
Brian Atlasessentially okay life of church doesn't support that okay okay so the question is uh would you support a bill that uh if a woman chooses to she she can
02:29:05
Brian Atlasabortion rights are protected but for the individual but they have to sign up for the draft they have to be eligible for the draft or civil service in
02:29:15
Brian Atlasfavor um I think that's okay okay no not in favor so you give up the abortion rights okay I don't think I would support that bill so you give up the abortion rights
02:29:26
Chloeokay um same I think give up the abortion rights okay I it wouldn't personally ever apply to me but do mean
02:29:38
Chloelike I I support other people having abortions I would never have one sure um I think would mentally affect me too much um but I don't know I also don't see the
02:29:51
Chloecorrelation between the two how they would make just hypothetical um but so if if they signed it at all like if they signed the bill at all I got to
02:30:02
Ellenkeep things moving what about you Ellen I don't have a comment on that what do you mean like I don't I feel like I need to think about it a little bit more like I don't really want to express my
02:30:12
Tiffanyopinion currently uh okay uh what about you yes I would support that yes okay no I wouldn't support it all right and I do
02:30:23
Brian Atlashave actually kind of a follow-up question on that um would you rather have a democracy or access to
02:30:32
Giannaabortions I don't have a answer for that one I you got to pick you have to pick one I don't know I would need more detail can you give me more detail the
02:30:44
Andrew WilsonDemocracy yeah democracy is gone and you can have abortions or you can have abortions or you can't have abortions but you have democracy I think you can have abortions
02:30:55
Brian AtlasI don't know well Andrew would this be like a fair scenario so you can still have an abortions but you have like a uh you have a a trump monarchy and then
02:31:05
Brian Atlaslike Trump becomes like God King and then all his like his firstborn son then becomes president and then like it's
02:31:16
Brian Atlasjust uh what's the progen what's that term for no it' be but but there's a specific term for like progen progenitor
02:31:28
Brian Atlasprogeniture I don't [ __ ] know okay whatever which it goes from father to son goes from father to son okay so it's like Trump for obviously I wouldn't want
02:31:38
Brian Atlasthat so you don't like Baron you're not like a baron Stan a Karen Baron okay what do you pick same as her
02:31:50
Brian Atlasso what is your answer um okay do you pick democracy or do you pick democracy abortion democracy okay all right
02:32:02
Lexiwhatever they got in Canada I don't know what they have in Canada anex Canada I think I'm a little lost on the question but I think I'd pick democracy okay
02:32:11
Brian Atlaspause democracy or abortions um democracy okay Chloe probably abortions okay
02:32:21
Chloewhy you're like a Anarchist feel like you're like [ __ ] democracy the Democracy we have anyway is like hardly even so what do you mean by that I don't have
02:32:31
Chloethe US for me has not painted a good picture of what democracy is um so given that I don't like this
02:32:41
Brian Atlasdemocracy that we're in not that I'm like not if if camela had just won would you would your answer be different no oh okay you'd still be like [ __ ] the I just
02:32:52
Andrew Wilsondon't like the US wait what you just prefer the South Korean democracy I just don't like the
02:33:01
ChloeUS why I never have I've lived abroad before and why don't you like the US the people here and the culture here and the
02:33:14
Andrew WilsonGovern but South Korea is an American Port I mean they literally imported all of the value of America they have the same democracy they have the same types of constitutional rights like it's basically an American Port it's a lot
02:33:27
Chloemore conservative though the cultural is the culture is different though it's very different yes yeah um what about America do you
02:33:37
Chloedislike I just don't like in all in all the way the government does things like what here the police forces not that I
02:33:47
Chloedon't like the police I plenty of friends who are police men and police women do you think we should defund the police not defund it's just like better training needs to happen what are your
02:34:00
Chloeobjections though when it comes to the police just they're not trained well systematic racism systematic racism oh yeah that's not a problem with South Korean police at
02:34:10
Andrew Wilsonall that's like they're like known for it just like Japanese police are known for literally known for it's one of the most common things that Asian police for are known for as being the most racist
02:34:21
Chloeon planet Earth and when I see that with my own eyes then I'll have a different opinion on that but I have seen countless of my friends shot by police officers you wait hold on do you know Johnny no you haven't you're full of it
02:34:34
Chloeyou haven't seen countless of your friends shot by cops you've seen you've seen with your own eyes you've been hang like what do you mean seen I have seen a couple of my friends get shot with my
02:34:44
Andrew Wilsonown eyes and then I've seen an plenty of my friends who okay I'll tell you what I'll tell you what I've got a $500 right now if you can give the scenario of where you can prove that you were you were somewhere where
02:34:57
Andrew Wilsonyou physically watched your friend get shot by cops Brian pulls it up I'll give you $500 right now why would there be a video of it well you know it's pretty high-profile when somebody gets shot by the police not in the area that some
02:35:10
Andrew Wilsonpeople live in yeah you know even in predominantly black areas it's still actually rare that black men get shot by police very rare they have body cams too the police so and a lot of the wait so
02:35:22
Brian Atlasyou were hanging out like when you say you've seen cuz some people might use the word seen like I knew somebody and they were shot but I didn't see it you saw with your own eyes you were there
02:35:33
Chloewith them I have seen probably two people with my own eyes but then I have seen in passing as in like heard from everyone seen it so youve seen no you
02:35:44
Andrew Wilsonhaven't you haven't seen anybody get shot what at least two not just one you had to go with the two so now it's like there's one really rare event that almost nobody ever Witnesses you just
02:35:55
Andrew Wilsonhappen to see it twice for your own eyes it's like just stop it's listen you're embarrassing yourself literally might be rare for you where where did where you from it's for everybody the the Mean
02:36:07
Brian AtlasStreets of Santa Monica Jennings Missouri Jennings Missouri I'm not familiar with Jennings Missouri wait but so um you and are you counting taser or
02:36:18
Chloeare you saying uh no like shot at yes shot at shot were they hit one of them was shot at yes with a gun
02:36:28
Brian Atlasyes huh I don't know how it goes maybe Missouri I don't know Missouri is kind of crazy not going to lie maybe it's true Andrew it is Missouri after
02:36:39
Brian Atlasall you were there did you get shot too no you didn't get shot no was it the man who got shot the man what do you mean was it were you with a man or who was who got
02:36:50
Chloeshot a man I was in a group of friends and one of the guys got shot was he white or black black or Asian or Latino black or Polynesian or indigenous or
02:37:02
Brian AtlasNative American extra ones he was black yes and but you said two shootings was the other guy also black yes this was the same day this is a very
02:37:13
Chloeracist oh in um okay did they make it are they okay or uh one of them had to get treated like I said one of them actually got hit one of
02:37:24
Brian Atlasthem was not hit but they were shot at were they did he run away or what happened the other guy who made it who didn't get shot but got shot at the guy who got shot at yeah is he okay it
02:37:35
Chloewasn't I don't think that one was meant to hit them it was like a warning shot I don't know what I'd call it to be honest are you sure it was a police officer and not like gang banging no I'm very sure
02:37:47
Brian Atlasit was a police officer outfit police officer what was the crime that the two men were like accused of or alleged to have committed cuz usually cops don't like just start blasting like for no reason
02:38:00
Brian Atlasdid they did wait question did they have guns on them no we were all rough housing you were rough housing R how old
02:38:10
Brian Atlaswere you guys when this happened 13 there the cops were shooting at 13y olds we were 13ish yeah and so the cops
02:38:19
ChloeDrew guns on cop singular singular cop like a mall cop or like a cop cop we were we were in this area there's this like almost abandoned parking lot next
02:38:30
Chloeto where I lived and we' all we'd all hang out there um and we just like we all did fighting Sports so we would legitimately be fighting each other it's
02:38:40
Chloelike it was like Fight Club kind of we even as a child we used to have Rock fights and we just get rocks and swing them at each other gnarly wait so okay
02:38:49
Chloecop pulls up he's like pulls out the blicky and just starts blasting it's not like they started blasting they shot at them shot yeah it wasn't like what was
02:39:01
Andrew Wilsonthe crime they were being accused like what it violence my can we can we just point a couple of uh of stats out here for Jennings Missouri that the entirety of the population of Jennings Missouri
02:39:12
Andrew Wilsonis 12895 people it's extremely tiny yeahh yeah and do you know if you if you had to take a guess how many police shootings would you say that there were
02:39:23
Andrew Wilsonlast year in Jennings Missouri I have not lived in Missouri since I was a child so okay what year did this happen so I can look up the uh the stats and how many police shootings this happened
02:39:34
Andrew Wilsonit wasn't reported and Andrew it wasn't reported no if an officer discharged his weapon in somebody was report it it was a corrupt uh police station the corrupt
02:39:46
Andrew Wilsoncops went out and just started willy-nilly discharging their peopley they were blasting at the 13-year-olds not the wording I used
02:39:58
Brian Atlasbut in like a VI this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life that's just completely ridiculous are you sure like they didn't just shut their car door loudly and you guys thought it sounded like gunshots no we
02:40:10
Brian Atlasknow what gunshots sounded like yeah did did you carry back when you were 13 or I used to go shooting with my family what so the gun just pull the the the
02:40:22
Brian Atlascop pulls up to a bunch of 13-year-olds in their Fight Club and just starts blasting was he blasting like was he trying to hit someone specific or he was just like kind of like [ __ ] it if they
02:40:36
Chloedie they die I'm not them so I wouldn't personally know what was going through their head what do you mean them I say them when I refer to anyone that I don't know are you talking they them no no no
02:40:48
Andrew WilsonI I now do am I to assume that this 13-year-old went to the hospital at least to the hospital well one of them missed yeah one of them was not actually hit okay which one was it was it the
02:41:00
Andrew Wilson13-year-old they got like grazed in the arm it wasn't the serious serious so do they go to the hospital they went to the doctors yes they went to the hospital so the by law if there's a shooting of this
02:41:12
Andrew Wilsontype uh the hospitals have to immediately reported to the police department and so we would have a record if you give me the year I can actually Source it and find out if there was any
02:41:22
Brian Atlas13y old shot that because the hospital reported it to the police that never anything ever happened out of wait I got to read this really quick before it falls off L paladin says bro chicks are
02:41:34
Brian Atlasnever happy 80% of infinity still Infinity you could give them like Chris Hemsworth and it wouldn't be enough for any woman th for those of you women who said 80% not acceptable although we had
02:41:45
Brian Atlassome pretty open-minded women here um so do we want to continue with the the continue the to know this the cop shooting inquiry so yeah so so this 13-year-old he was grazed you went to
02:41:57
Andrew Wilsonthe hospital and you're saying that the hospital never reported it to the police department he went to a doctor go no like one of those a doctor
02:42:08
Chloewould also have to report a gunshot related injury to the police by law you know those like Shifty places that aren't really legal doctors but they know how to do some stuff like it's a
02:42:20
Andrew Wilsonyou took him to a veterinarian did you yeah she she it was like a vet Doctor Who like you took him to a veterinarian break it was like in casino right like you get popped right poy gets popped and you you take him over to the
02:42:32
Chloeveterinarian and the veterinarian removes the bullets and sews him up and then away he goes like it was like that no like those people who are operating out of a weird building who don't actually have a license to be doing what they're doing some meth
02:42:45
Andrew Wilsonheads I mean I don't know what they are but yeah I know I know exactly you're talking about I've often seen unlicensed doctor buildings where you can go in and have bullet holes removed from you said
02:42:56
Andrew Wilsonnobody ever in the history of uh well all my lifetime anyway uh it's just by the way if I'm wrong quick show of hands how many of you have ever gone and visited one of these Shifty unlicensed
02:43:09
Andrew Wilsondoctors whose job is to remove bullet wounds from people you know show of hands show of hands anybody I actually take her word for it I've been to
02:43:18
Brian AtlasJennings Missouri and it's it's rough out there in Jennings okay Andrew let's not dimin let's not downplay the Mean Streets of Jennings
02:43:31
Brian AtlasBecause you might catch a beef you're you're not you're in Michigan Andrew you might catch a beef in one of these gang bangers in Jennings Missouri they they don't [ __ ] around like you're
02:43:40
Brian Atlasdisrespecting uh the Jay boys wait uh the Jennings boys you the Jennings boys the J not Andrew the J boys like that's the gang that is that the what's the
02:43:52
Brian Atlasname of the gang from Jennings it's the the the Jennings the Jennings boys and then also the j j h never mind okay
02:44:09
Andrew Wilsonum you know what though maybe maybe you're right I knew a chick once she knew a guy who was walking through or she knew a girl who was walking through a park and this chick was trained in MMA and she was attacked by a couple of
02:44:22
Andrew Wilsonmuggers and she didn't just break one of their legs she broke all of their legs she broke all of these muggers legs with her bare hands most impressive thing I'd ever heard of I remember that story I was the the
02:44:35
Brian Atlasbreaking leg story that was a good one uh okay we have Joe Murphy here BNA let's cook a roast each lady defined feminism from a western perspective and an Eastern P that's that's asking a lot
02:44:46
Brian AtlasJoe uh ladies speak up against a m Master debater don't be afraid to open up your World Views uh how about this cuz I don't know if I mean Western perspective Eastern perspective I don't know how productive that'll be uh how
02:45:00
Brian Atlasabout just going around the table do you consider yourself a feminist starting with you yes okay no I'm not sure I would need to look into do we want to give them a definition on this one just
02:45:11
Brian Atlasuh here's I think this is Andrew's definition uh a movement towards egalitarian with a re ction of patriarchy okay so just
02:45:24
Andrew Wilsonequality yeah a movement towards equality which the form of equality we're talking about here is egalitarianism um so that there's no confusion I use that word specifically because egalitarianism is expressing
02:45:37
Andrew Wilsonthat men and women are essentially interchangeable widgets anything a man can do a woman should be able to do and anything a woman can do a man should be able to do feminist yes no
02:45:50
ChloeI'm still not sure I'd like to look into that more okay um PA what about you I think yeah
02:45:58
Chloeokay um I don't really know I think people can just do whatever they want I don't like if someone wants
02:46:09
Chloeto go like how do I word it equality yeah sure should that be a thing absolutely I don't think it 100% is um at the same time I'm not going to put