WILDEST SHOW EVER?! HEATED Debate With SUPER Woke Liberal Feminist LA Girls?! | Dating Talk #213

Date: 2024-11-18
Duration: 10h 19m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS Reader(audience)
SPEAKER_02Toni J(guest)
SPEAKER_03Andrea Johnson(guest)
SPEAKER_05Mary Grace(guest)
SPEAKER_06Eric Hutchins(guest)
SPEAKER_07Andrew Wilson(guest)
SPEAKER_08Sinead Barrett(guest)
SPEAKER_10Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_12Unknown Female(guest)
SPEAKER_13Tira Hos / Hannah Recard(guest)
SPEAKER_14Kayla Hardy(guest)

Key Moments

00:00:09
QuoteBrian Atlas opening announcement.

welcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast

00:04:11
IntroTira Hos intro: 23, Ohio, mental health advocate/waitress.

hi I am Tira hos 23 years old from Ohio mental health Advocate on TikTok also a waitress

00:04:21
IntroHannah Recard intro: actress/model, LA, declines to give age per agent advice.

hi my name is Hannah recard I am an actor by occupation I prefer not to answer my age

00:06:21
IntroAndrea Johnson intro: 34, Southern California, marketing director.

my name is Andrea Johnson I am 34 from Southern California I am a marketing director

00:06:33
IntroMary Grace Langhorn intro: 23, Santa Barbara, surgical assistant.

I am Mary Grace Langhorn 23 from Santa Barbara California surgical assistant

00:07:04
IntroKayla Hardy intro: 25, Malibu, fashion model.

I am Kayla Hardy 25 in Malibu fashion model

00:07:15
IntroToni J intro: 26, LA, singer-songwriter and actress.

my name is Toni J 26 singer songwriter and actress from LA

00:07:26
IntroSinead Barrett intro: 25, Ohio, waitress/barista, nutrition student.

my name is Sinead Barrett waitress and barista two jobs also studying for bachelor in Nutrition

00:07:49
IntroEric Hutchins (ilosophical) intro: 39, Newark NJ/Charlotte NC, construction mgr and content creator.

my name is Eric Hutchins AKA ilosophical YouTube Instagram social commentary full-time construction project manager

00:08:30
IntroAndrew Wilson intro: host of The Crucible, political analyst and satirist.

my name is Andrew Wilson host of The Crucible entertainment Channel YouTube political analyst

00:26:04
QuoteMary Grace describes her last relationship ending due to boyfriend violating criminal restraining order; his mother is threatening to sue her for rent.

she had an active restraining order against him so that was a threat and I didnt know this until I moved so she ended up reporting it to his probation officer

00:30:58
QuoteToni J reveals she is a widow; husband passed away around 2021; first date since widowhood was the day before this episode.

he actually passed away you are a widow then correct yes okay were you married I was

01:34:24
QuoteKayla reads Reddit post about girlfriend who slept with a Tinder hookup while telling the poster she wanted to take it slow.

recently Jess and I ran into a guy... I thought you should know that Jess and I hooked up right after Christmas

02:30:25
ControversySelf-rating round. Panel rates looks 1-10. Andrea insists everyone is a 10. Brian rates himself 10 sarcastically. Approximate ratings: 7 (Tira), 8 (Sinead), 10 (someone), 5 (Brian joke), 9 (Toni), 9 (someone), 7 (someone), 5-6 (Kayla), 8 (Eric?), 5 (Andrew), 10 (Brian sarcastic).

ask everyone to rate their own looks on the scale of one to 10 seven eight ten five nine nine seven five or a six strong eight give myself a five

03:10:12
ControversyMan vs. bear debate. Most women initially chose bear over a random spawned man in the forest. Reasons: fear of assault/rape. Brian and Andrew challenge the statistics.

I said man but I changed my answer to Bear I say pick bear because humans sometimes are unpredictable

03:12:30
QuoteHannah says a man could take away her dignity AND kill her; a bear would only kill her. Justifies picking bear.

a man could potentially take away my dignity and then kill me whereas bear will just kill me

04:34:00
ControversyBrian presents top-20 most dangerous US jobs infographic (94-99.9% male). Argues societal collapse if all men vanished. Hannah argues women are increasingly entering these fields.

top 20 most dangerous us occupations logging workers 95 percent male fishing workers 99.9 percent

09:27:00
ControversyTransgender debate: Hannah says she would allow puberty blockers for child after 2-year consistent request plus doctor recommendation. Brian and Eric argue this is effectively irreversible and parents should just say no.

I would start them if after 2 years still felt the same exact way I would allow them to take a low dose of something

10:17:06
OtherBrian wraps show calling it one of the best panels in a long time. WoW raid outro to streamer ampy.

this is one of the wildest panels it was good really interesting conversation one of the best panels we had in a very long time

Topics Discussed

00:00:07
Announcements & Introductions

Brian announcements (WoW Classic Fresh guild, merch, Discord, Twitch, donations). Guest introductions: name, age, location, occupation. Educational background round. Relationship status round.

00:28:00
React: Eric's Viral Clip (Women & Assertive Men)

Panel reacts to Eric Hutchins' viral clip about women claiming to want assertive men but choosing passive men. Debate on women dressing provocatively vs. modestly. Traditional values vs. modern liberation. Eric argues women's behavior is contradictory to stated preferences.

01:34:24
Reddit: Girlfriend Slept With Tinder Date While "Taking It Slow"

Kayla reads Reddit post: man's girlfriend hooked up with Tinder guy while telling him she wanted to "take it slow" physically. Panel debates pre-exclusivity obligations, moral duty to disclose, and whether the woman's behavior was valid. Andrew argues STD-disclosure analogy; Eric says the man was "green" and naive.

02:30:25
Self-Rating Round (1-10 Looks)

Viewer question asks panel to rate their own looks 1-10. Ratings given (order approximate due to diarization): 7, 8, 10, 5, 9, 9, 7, 5-6, 8, 5 (Andrew), 10 (Brian, sarcastic). Spirals into debate over whether everyone is a 10 (Andrea's position) and rating dictators/celebrities for attraction.

03:10:12
Man vs. Bear Debate

Classic internet debate: if you were alone in a forest, would you rather encounter a random man or a random bear? Most female panelists initially picked bear; reasoning cited: men's unpredictability, fear of assault. Brian and Andrew challenge the statistical reality (% of men who would actually assault). Hannah estimated 40% of men; others 15-20% or 2%. Mary Grace switched to man.

03:40:00
Body Count, Purity, and Double Standards

Extended debate on body count standards for men vs. women. Whether high body count changes a woman psychologically. Double standard discussion: why is male promiscuity more accepted? Debate on women wanting a "redemption arc" at 30 after years of casual sex. Eric argues prior relationships reveal what a woman defines as manhood.

04:34:00
Men in Critical Infrastructure / "What If All Men Disappeared"

Brian pulls up infographic of top 20 most dangerous US occupations (logging 95% male, mining 99.9% male, etc.). Argues society would collapse within weeks if all men disappeared due to male concentration in critical infrastructure. Panel pushes back. Eric and Andrew support the argument. Hannah argues women are increasingly entering these fields.

07:45:00
Age Gap Relationships

Prompted by Kayla's disclosure that her boyfriend is 15 years older. Panel debates whether large age gaps are acceptable. Kayla defends her 3-year relationship with a 40yo (she is 25). Brian challenges the dynamic at ~7:54 ("vulnerable college girl").

08:07:00
Women's Rights Equal to Men?

Panel survey question: do women have equal rights to men? Andrea and Hannah disagreed. Both clarified they meant globally, not specifically USA. Brian challenges them to name a specific US right men have that women don't — neither could name one clearly. Brian raises toplessness in public as a minor asymmetry.

09:27:00
Transgender / Puberty Blockers Debate

Debate on whether trans-identifying children should receive puberty blockers. Hannah says she would allow her 14-year-old to start blockers after 2 years of consistent request + doctor recommendation. Brian and Eric argue blockers are not reversible in meaningful ways and compares to getting a tattoo. Hannah takes back the tattoo comparison. Eric and Brian argue parents should use authority ("because I said so").

Transcript

Page 9 of 11
07:35:30
Brian Atlasbecause you can be 13 and then 19 like these are two like one is a crime like if you were and the other is like an adult who can vote and sign a
07:35:41
Eric Hutchinscontract but today's young people are really goofy man like like a 13year old today is like a 9-year-old for real a 20-year- old today is well hold on we're talking about like we're talking about
07:35:51
Eric Hutchinsadult relationships so 18 plus okay 18 plus I just me personally I if I'm 22 that's that's the that's my limit like
07:35:58
Eric Hutchinsif I'm 30 I with a woman that's like 25 24 19 me personally nah cuz I'm thinking about my daughter like if I got a daughter that's 19 and she bring back a
07:36:09
Eric Hutchinsdude that's 30 he got to be like Obama or something like you know what I'm saying it's likely he's not going to be that so I I don't me personally I think 19 and 30y old I'm going look at the dude as if
07:36:21
Eric Hutchinshe's a little a little awful a little desperate or he can't get nobody cuz you can still get a young woman but 19 at 30 H I don't know meet someone though what if you meet someone you don't know their
07:36:32
Brian Atlasage and it's a 19-year-old that looks 25 that's I always looked older question different but so is it does it have to do with physical appearance or does it have to do with
07:36:41
Eric Hutchinslike mental state I I I think I I think just I don't want to deal with explaining that to anybody else me personally I I'm just being I'm just talking about me I don't want to deal
07:36:54
Eric Hutchinswith that like if I found out if if we fell in love I've been with her for a year and I found out she was lying about her age it's like I'm already with her until it's kind of different she lied to you right she lied to me that's different but if I know I'm not 30 years
07:37:05
Eric Hutchinsold and scouting the local community college for a 19yearold like I just think that's kind of weird okay man you're on social media let's say 19-year-old girl she slides into your DMs I'm not dealing with I'm 39 bro I
07:37:17
Kayla Hardycan't do I got a I got a daughter that's four I got a daughter that's four years younger than her but are you checking their age first thing like how do you find out like is it a first time question how do you kind of find out I deal with women in areas where really 19
07:37:29
Eric Hutchinsyear-olds really don't be like I don't really club like that so if I hold but really quick to like you have a daughter like that do you have a sister yeah I got a sister how's your sister my sister's I think she like 42 43 do you
07:37:42
Eric Hutchinshave a younger sister yeah she'd probably maybe 24 now would you date a 24 year-old at 39 yeah she got to be super duper I was
07:37:54
Brian Atlasgoing to say that sounds better to me like it's really just me the 19 is wait wait let me ask let me ask the question let me ask the question okay let's say you had a uh you had a younger sister who was 30 would you date a
07:38:05
Brian Atlas30-year-old at 39 yeah okay but that's like dating somebody your sister's age yeah but my sister's super grown now she ain't super grown at 19 but like I I
07:38:16
Brian Atlasdon't understand this argument like oh well you have this familial person in your life who is of a certain age the air go you can't date them like I do what you want I just said
07:38:29
Brian AtlasI wouldn't want to do here's what I understand from you though is like you're saying the other people would judge you so I won't do it you're you strike me as a um
07:38:41
Eric Hutchinslike a you how do I articulate this do you really give a [ __ ] what other people think I don't get that impression from you I don't but certain things is just not worth the fight like I I pick I'm
07:38:54
Eric Hutchinsnot I'm not I'm not trying to beat you got to pick your battles certain battles is just not worth it it's not batt what battles [ __ ] caring on 39 me me 39
07:39:03
Eric Hutchinsyears old I don't want a 19y old would you I don't want a 19y old I might be attracted to one I might be like yo you could get it shorty but I'm just not going to do it totally fine you
07:39:15
Brian Atlasdate a 30-year-old if she looked like she was 18 yeah she 30 now she looks she 30 but it's like that is a good argument it's like the physical looks thing like like there are like 19-year-old women
07:39:27
Brian Atlaswho are shapely and like big ass ass big titties whatever and there's like 30-year-old women who you would date who are like a cup no like so I that's my confusion here I mean because it's not
07:39:39
Eric Hutchinsjust a physical thing sure it's it's mental like if I'm 39 a 19-year-old can only be taught by me and in today's society she probably ain't going to want to hear [ __ ] I say she probably think I'm too old I don't know [ __ ] so I ain't
07:39:51
Eric Hutchinsgot time to be argue with no little ass kid bro so me personally I don't want to deal with a you've never dealt with a 35-year-old qual some nagging woman absolutely come on absolutely and I don't want to deal with that either the
07:40:04
Eric Hutchinsmost complicated women I've ever dealt were like it wasn't like the 23y old it was the [ __ ] woman my age it varies there's older women that's cool and there's older women that's goofy there's younger women that's cool and there's
07:40:18
Andrea Johnsonyounger women that's goofy but that can't be the only reason then there has to be something I rather deal with somebody within under 10 years or under but correct me if I'm wrong you had mentioned a part of the the 18 year what
07:40:30
Andrea JohnsonI what were talking about 19-year-old was perception but the 30-year-old that looks like she's 18 wouldn't people still perceive her as yeah but they but perception is not reality because she's actually 30 so she looks young that's
07:40:42
Eric Hutchinsjust she just looks young but she's actually young but looks older I just I wouldn't do it I just think it's too much explaining you know her parents might not be com you know you just just too much [ __ ] that you got to deal with you could take it on and say hey I'm a
07:40:55
Brian Atlasman hit me roll I'm going do what the [ __ ] I want but certain battles I don't think is worth it just to prove that I'm a guy I do want to ask the some of the girls input on this um you're in a age Gap who's in the age Gap relationship
07:41:07
Brian Atlaswhat's the age Gap again you're 15 years you're 25 and he's 40 ladies at the table here objectionable 15 well when did you start dating my ass years ago
07:41:17
Brian Atlasher prefrontal cortex just it was even finished it's not even just that like at 19 she was you were 22 when you guys started dating she was 22 when they
07:41:27
Unknown Femalestarted dating and he was 30 7 yeah the prefrontal cortex was not fully developed and I said and it's still the 19 thing like just moved out of the house give him a second 22 and
07:41:39
Unknown Femalethat I agree and I said in the beginning there's only certain age Gap relationships I don't agree with when you say 19 you said that's crazy here I'll bump it up one year
07:41:49
Brian Atlas3020 okay oh you're wait 10 years that's okay 3520 3520 yep fine really it's just
07:41:58
Brian Atlasthe team yes so just to be clear 19 364 hold on 19 364 days uh-huh or 20 yeah and zero
07:42:12
Kayla Hardydays like one day later like creep would you want to be a 19-year-old though sure why not really yeah why not okay well what here I think you're like you're
07:42:25
Brian Atlascreeped out if they're pursuing you because of that like I just met that person we just happen let me cl let me just clarify here so I've dated women of like for I've dated women older that I had age gaps with in terms of like
07:42:37
Brian Atlasthey're older than me yeah so when I was 31 I dated a 45-year-old that's like 13 years I know my grandparents have like a 15E age G I've dated I've dated older women I've dated women my age I've dated
07:42:48
Brian Atlaswomen who are you know younger than me I I've dated various ranges um what and then another clarifying point I'm not like hanging out I'm not going to college parties trying to Ma on no but
07:43:01
Brian Atlaslike I don't know if I was on a dating app and I match with somebody or she slides into my DMs I don't actually I can't actually think of any reason besides it gives you the ick like you can't actually make a really compelling
07:43:13
Unknown Femaleargument um I did say that though I said it's just my opinion and I'm like it is what it is your op there might not be any logic behind it but the word teen I'm like I don't know but it is just the
07:43:23
Unknown Femaleword team callor like it is I don't it's fine
07:43:31
Brian Atlasit weird me out I just when I was 19 ask question yeah you were a mess we get it yeah it's fine here let me ask you a question so let's put aside or even
07:43:43
Brian AtlasGrant your position that or your POS I don't know if it your that it's kind of icky gross creepy whatever um can you actually make a compelling argument in terms of the benefits to the man why he
07:43:55
Brian Atlasshould date like so I'm 35 right make a compelling argument to me why I should date a 35-year-old versus a 25-year-old well for like just for the experience level like I know you might
07:44:06
Unknown Femalenot want some you might want a fresh start with whatever but I think logically if you're going to go into relationship with a failed relationship behind trying to like you know make your life better eventually have a
07:44:18
Unknown Femalelong-lasting relationship I think your best bet is with someone who also who has been through it before and knows kind of what they want through what they
07:44:27
Brian Atlasdon't want but okay so you're saying tell me if I have your your point correct
07:44:35
Brian Atlasso um men should date women their age because the woman will have well I an equivalent hold on the the woman will
07:44:46
Brian Atlashave an equivalent degree of relationship experience and so for this reason it makes more sense for him to date a woman his age I wouldn't say their age around their age sure around
07:44:57
Unknown Femaletheir age yeah okay um so but I still like I said this before like I don't necessarily disagree with age Gap that age Gap I did disagree with because like my grandparents have
07:45:10
Brian Atlasan age Gap so you don't disagree with the 3525 okay fine I'll change it then make a compelling argument in terms of the benefit to the man why he should date a 35-year-old Woman versus a
07:45:23
Unknown Female19-year-old woman I don't know I'm not a man like I don't know what it would benefit you like I don't know what makes your brain like I don't know what would make you feel better and what wouldn't make you
07:45:31
Brian Atlasfeel better you women you guys should start dating short men who are broke who are not funny who are not charismatic who are not dominant and who are not leaders you guys should because I think
07:45:43
Brian Atlasit's predatory that you guys go after these high income High earning men never said should my opinion and I wouldn't do it yeah but having that you have to actually engage in the conversation so
07:45:54
Brian Atlasum like what again I'm just trying to hear what is is the benefit to the man like what does a man get by dating an older woman what does a man get by
07:46:06
Unknown Femaledating a younger woman though like that what's a woman is a woman a man is a man again the age really doesn't matter but when you bring in teens and adults it does matter like it does but it's so
07:46:17
Brian Atlasdisingenuous to use the word to to make it about the teen thing so is what is 19 teen right yes it it is teen but it's
07:46:27
Brian Atlaslike do you know what spin is no okay so spin spin is like sort of a marketing principle yeah and like people will do this all the time like have you ever encountered somebody who has a
07:46:37
Brian Atlastotally different like uh perhaps somebody's lied about you and they said like a whole different perception has anybody ever lied about you oh yeah made up something about you how did they spin
07:46:48
Brian Atlasit they they they painted something in the least flattering light possible right yeah and so what you're doing is you're using kind of charge language to sort of imply that a man is attracted to
07:46:59
Brian Atlasa 19-year-old adult woman is essentially a pedophile because teenager I just said personally I don't agree with it what I was at when I was 19 is an 18-year-old an adult
07:47:10
Unknown Femalelegally in you're you can still be in high school at 18 okay is a 19-year-old an adult can be but again you can still be 19 schol can be they are or are they are legally an adult okay but then again
07:47:22
Unknown Femaleyou can still be an High School okay so a 30-year-old should be dating a high schooler or like you think that's like I don't know like that just seems off to me and again that is just my personal
07:47:33
Unknown Femaleopinion it's where my head was at at 19 I don't know what would make a benefit more but I don't think really age can make you benefit more or less it just is what is age just is what it is but again
07:47:44
Brian Atlasso I want to go back to my question why should a man date a 35-year-old Woman versus a 19-year-old woman if they're 35
07:47:54
Unknown Femaleyeah because of Life Experiences like you went through life why do you why do you get a fresh start like with someone new but you not that you have baggage I'm not saying that you have any baggage
07:48:06
Unknown Femaleor anything but like when you're again when you're like 35 like life happens like life is happening sure why do you get to take in that baggage and they don't and again it's just really your personal opinion again it's just
07:48:19
Brian Atlassomething I don't want to experience and that's okay I'm asking you like so I'm kind of like putting you in a position to try to change my mind like so I know that
07:48:30
Brian Atlasbut I think this is actually indicative like you actually acknowledge sort of my position on this um I'm asking you to like articulate what makes a woman better
07:48:42
Brian Atlaswhen she's older like because would you guys all agree we are all trying to get the best person we can get right okay
07:48:51
Brian Atlasright you if if if you could if you all could you would get the 65 super ripped rich amazing personality loyal you would you would try to maximize what you can
07:49:02
Brian Atlasget right okay whether you can get it or not that's another conversation I'm looking for what do I get from an older woman that would make me want to date a
07:49:14
Unknown Female35-year-old versus somebody who's younger and I'm I'm only because you don't you don't object I tried to answer it in the beginning and you cut me off literally just experience keep saying it's icky no I said experience in the
07:49:25
Unknown Femalebeginning okay so do men care about the woman's experience no you even said that in the beginning thank you for making my point cuz you said that in the beginning that's why I'm like I'm listening to you I'm open you said no I'm you a man told me no
07:49:38
Brian Atlasokay you said no I'm taking your opinion for what it is right yeah but so again I'm looking for some like an actual argument unless you're just willing to concede the argument again I said there I don't genuinely have an argument it's just I don't like it for myself yeah but
07:49:52
Unknown Femalecan you make how about this can you make a moral argument for why it's wrong it's morally wrong for me that's it yeah why no but why because I told you at 19 my brain was not there if a 30-year-old man were to date me he would have took
07:50:03
Unknown Femaleadvantage of me a 21-year-old man took advantage of me so for me personally again that's different than that has again me personally I wouldn't want nothing to do with the age Gap though because you just said a guy your age
07:50:15
Brian Atlastook advantage of you okay it has nothing I personally don't it would have nothing to do with age Gap we're talking about age Gap okay yeah yeah so wouldn't a man like but this is what I don't
07:50:26
Brian Atlasunderstand right um You don't think that like same age men or even like let's say a 19-year-old woman or how about a 20-year-old woman dates a 19-year-old guy he's incapable of taking advantage
07:50:37
Brian Atlasof her or being abusive I've never said that cuz they certainly can be they can be right so what what what is the argument then that I personally just it's my
07:50:49
Brian Atlaspersonal opinion let me ask you this uh can a 19-year-old woman dating a 20-year-old guy can he be AB abusive towards her Okay can a 19-year-old woman dating a 30-year-old guy can he not be abusive 18-year-old girl can punch a
07:51:01
Brian Atlas50-year-old man and be abusive the 18y be abive but like could could a could a same age relationship at 20 be seriously problematic and could a 20 a 20-year-old
07:51:13
Unknown Femaledating a 30-year-old not be problematic at all and if loving and healthy okay so what's the objection that I wouldn't do you ask if I feel like it's okay and I was taking
07:51:24
Unknown Femaleit for for myself I don't feel like it's okay for myself I'm not looking down on you for having an age Gap relation I never look down on my grandparents and I'm not against them personally for me I
07:51:34
Unknown Femaledon't want one I think most girls prefer older men as well like do but like I personally I don't I like I just don't so I think she just talk about 19 like
07:51:44
Unknown FemaleI'm literally yeah but like really with just I don't know teens the word teen kcks me out and again if that doesn't convince you enough that's okay I don't know how else to convince a man that like you should date your own age like
07:51:56
Kayla Hardywhat what answer are you looking for be over 20 though the man if you're 19 or no like just no 20s at all 22 19 I don't this is so dumb okay sorry but it's
07:52:09
Brian Atlascrazy to me because like our society has become so infantilized we're we're treating teens like toddlers adults like teens like it's just I don't know but to
07:52:20
Eric Hutchinsplay Devil's Advocate I think back in the day like you had generals that was 15 year old men a average 15 boy can't do that [ __ ] today I think we want old
07:52:32
Eric Hutchinsrules but we have to have a society to facilitate that development we don't have it today we didn't we don't we don't have Julius Caesars and all that today you might have some gang bangers but you don't have 15y old 14y old boys
07:52:44
Eric Hutchinsthat's ready to lead a nation of army of men to war we did back in the day and we had younger women who were able to was ready to take on the responsibility of being a wife or a queen at younger ages
07:52:54
Eric Hutchinsback then because we had a society that facilitated that over time we don't have that anymore now we may be still biologically capable of doing these things but I don't think this Society
07:53:05
Brian Atlasfacilitates mature young people let alone mature adults I mean I guess one question um so we can
07:53:15
Brian Atlaslike send teenage boys to fight Wars um and you're are you okay with that no okay but you you acknowledge that it's a reality right that like teenage boys
07:53:27
Brian Atlashistorically have fought War and then they still like you can 18 you can join the military um and 18-year-old uh men
07:53:35
Brian Atlascan be drafted M right um so just to be clear you at 18 you can be sent to war
07:53:44
Brian Atlasyou can volunteer to go to war but um but we can't drink women women can't have like a consensual relationship with a guy who's a bit older than her I that's it's up to them if they want to have the age Gap they can go for it okay
07:53:58
Brian Atlasbut it's it's icky in any case that's basically your position if yeah if I were to see it that way I'd be like you're dating a teenager and that's just my opinion okay all right sure did you have something anybody else I mean
07:54:09
Brian Atlasyou're in an age Gap relationship they are essentially calling your boyfriend predatory and I did not I that's the question she was 22 she was
07:54:19
Brian Atlas22 she was a vulnerable college girl at 22 and she was prayed upon by this 37-year-old man you should be defending that's not how I
07:54:30
Brian Atlassaid it you know that's not how I said it I even said no I actually I don't mind you and I would have been honest with you so it's just you got to defend your boyfriend here well it's just circumstantial like like I feel like with the dating apps we need like a list
07:54:44
Kayla Hardychecked off of everything you can't just naturally meet someone and things to be you know maybe different than what you expected so yeah yeah again never don't
07:54:54
Brian Atlaslook down on your relationship just the 19 thing and just my opinion I feel like this would almost be like me saying women who are attracted to tall men n actually never mind I'm going to
07:55:07
Brian Atlasmove on okay we're gonna we need to wrap up here soon uh let's see here um okay uh I'm going to just go through the stack then we're going to oh wait oh
07:55:19
Brian Atlasthere's probably no okay we're good uh let's see one sec guys any final thoughts here from anybody we'll wrap up here hopefully pretty soon any final thoughts from any of the panelist about the age Gap no any topic if if you
07:55:31
Brian Atlaswant to ask you got two men who will give you the this is rare opportunity cuz most men you talk to want to have sex with you so they won't tell you the truth they won't tell you the truth we'll tell you the truth ask us a
07:55:44
Kayla Hardyquestion if you have one or if there's any uh topics you want to I tell the truth to women I want to have sex with too I don't [ __ ] around okay fair enough I guess with the Purity thing you know how can you expect women to have
07:55:54
Eric Hutchinslow body counts when men expect women to put out very soon in the first few dates like I said I don't think men well I don't I don't expect a woman to put out
07:56:05
Eric HutchinsI want her to put out effort I've had women not want to talk to me because I wasn't trying to have sex with them so soon so it really just depends I just want effort I don't think men who want to take you seriously long term are
07:56:17
Eric Hutchinsexpecting you to give your body to them first second third day I don't think that I think they just want to see a consistent effort and you coming and you um showing effort that you want to be with them and as far as the body count thing like I I said before do I think
07:56:29
Eric Hutchinsthere's some psychological and biological effects to a high body count absolutely but me personally because we in such a highly sexually charged era there's a likelihood that she probably has some bodies that's just the times we
07:56:41
Eric Hutchinsin so my concern is the type of men she's dated prior to me because that's going to tell me what she defines as a man because sometimes depending on the type of men that women are with they have a misconception of what manhood is
07:56:54
Eric Hutchinsso if you was with a real passive guy you think that's manhood because he lets you do what you want to do say what you want to say so now you're expecting that from other men cuz he gave you a misinterpretation of manhood and vice versa like a man could be um you could
07:57:07
Eric Hutchinsbe dealing with a guy who's very over the top masculine very aggressive very just too much and you could think that that's masculinity so when you deal get with me you expect me to be this hyper masculine man or the super passive man
07:57:19
Kayla Hardyso to me the type of man that a woman deals with tells me a lot more than her body count in a highly sexual era so how many dates until you throw it out that they have to sleep with you I guess I mean I was confused about that cuz the story said a whole year and you were
07:57:33
Eric Hutchinslike what are they doing if they're just going out no I'm saying if he for that story I'm going answer the question two parts when it come to that dude if you're just dating her and taking her out to eat and her and she's agreeing to
07:57:45
Eric Hutchinsshowing up and eating that shouldn't compute to you that we're going somewhere it's possible but to think it's guaranteed you're a fool because nothing she did showed you that she just
07:57:56
Eric Hutchinsshowed that you're cool enough to feed so if he's taking that data and Computing that into well it felt like it seemed like you're just green brother now as far as um what's the second part that's the other thing you said you said
07:58:08
Eric Hutchinssomething else oh how many dates does it take for you to throw it off without getting sex if I talk to you let's be real if I'm trying to talk to you I already assume that I'm looking at you
07:58:20
Eric Hutchinsyou can get it so that doesn't have to be discussed I I'm I'm not here but are you going to get annoyed after a few days if you don't want them to wait it depends on what I'm doing but I wouldn't say annoyed it's just a Vibe like I'm
07:58:31
Eric HutchinsI'm not saying okay it's been two weeks it's like I'm cool with just us kicking if you coming over we kicking it we watching movies we cing I might kiss I'm cool with that cuz me personally I like building [ __ ] I like buildup I like getting that pressure though that's my
07:58:44
Eric Hutchinsquestion how long would I wait okay that's direct how long would I wait I don't know it just depends on the the person like I'm not waiting a year I give you that I I I probably could wait
07:58:55
Eric HutchinsI would say a month because it's not about I need it so bad I just know how women operate and I know that a woman who really wants you is not going to make you that wait that long I might even say no baby chill we could wait but
07:59:07
Eric Hutchinsknowing that she wants to do it is like all right that's more realistic because a woman a woman is not going to make you wait that long you don't have to acest to her advances but her letting me know she want to do that within a month or
07:59:18
Eric Hutchinstwo seems a lot more realistic about how I gauge women's interest as opposed to just waiting forever it's not necessarily that I have to do it when she wants to but I know how women move and like she said she knew right away
07:59:31
Eric Hutchinslike women don't move like that so when I see women going outside of the normal pattern of how women move when they're interested in a man that's a red flag for me but do I look at like oh this is the time we got to do it n just let it Vibe and let it happen naturally let let
07:59:43
Eric Hutchinsit I like I like the pressure to build to it's like there's nothing left to do but that we done have great conversations we done had so many dope outings and it just happens like I don't I don't think that's something I'm looking to just have to do that yeah cuz
07:59:55
Eric Hutchinsyou said you like Purity that's why I was asking that because say I like Purity I'm explaining why men do like Purity what I like is a woman who treats me well and like I said when I'm speaking I'm speaking because because it's not about me and that's the problem
08:00:08
Eric Hutchinspeople have too many conversation about what I do what I do it's not I don't represent all men I represent myself but I know a lot of men and I know how the average man thinks and the average man
08:00:18
Eric Hutchinsdoes want a woman not some for a lot of cases it's for psych not cuz she she been with him physically that is a part of it but it's the psychological aspects
08:00:29
Eric Hutchinsof a woman who's been with multiple guys they they are different they a little more altered they take on that man's energy and men just don't want to deal with
08:00:39
Brian Atlasthat okay uh let me get through these quick here and then uh let's see uh a couple you said disagreed to the following statement women have equal
08:00:50
Brian Atlasrights to men I think you disagreed I think you disagreed I think you disagreed and I think you disagreed is that fair recap on
08:01:02
Brian Atlasthat right yeah anybody else disagreed it was Hannah is it Andrea or Andrea yeah
08:01:12
Unknown FemaleAndrea Andrea Andrea or no you actually did not Circle that it was uh I want to say actually can I change my stance right now cuz we're talking literally and I'm like oh
08:01:24
Brian Atlasno like technically literally we do have equ right now so ton J you said women disagree that women have equal rights to
08:01:33
Brian Atlasmen it was also Hannah it was tier we're ignoring mine now remember oh I guess ignore mine now I'm just like quick question
08:01:43
Brian Atlasfor those of you who did say uh you disagree that women have equal rights to men uh what rights do men have that women don't so I don't think that the
08:01:55
Tira Hos / Hannah RecardUnited States is the only country that exists and that's only part of the female population so when we're talking about women's rights it has to incomp
08:02:05
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardandcompany the entire world what about the United States well there's still for example like female genital mutilation is still something that's practiced even
08:02:17
Brian Atlashere in the United States it's illegal in the United States it's still practiced though it's kind of one of those thing well I don't know if this can can I just I'm going to cut you off just to save you a little a little bit
08:02:28
Brian Atlashere I don't think you want to argue circumcision um on this one I think you're going to have this is not going to be a productive argument for you but
08:02:38
Brian Atlaswell I'm just saying that there is lots of there's lots of things that we could do better what what else is when it comes to men though when it comes to genital mutilation that's also practiced
08:02:49
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardright the difference is On's one's legal one's not well one one provides like a cleanly I don't I don't have any viewpoint on whether or
08:03:01
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardnot a baby boy should be circumcised or not like I don't that's totally up to I guess like the father honestly cuz I to the father I would say it's up to the
08:03:12
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardfather because like I don't have that mother she makes the determination right I think like most hospitals like just standardly do it right is it mutilation though is it still mtil can the reason
08:03:23
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwhy I say female genital mutilation is different is because a lot of times they also removed part of the clitoris which takes away feeling and stimulation same thing for same thing for this is
08:03:34
Brian Atlasextremely never heard this I heard that extremely rare there's perhaps this is extremely rare occurrence in the United States when well what I was saying at
08:03:46
Brian Atlasfirst was not the United States I was saying world but like look I can't look I don't look I can't talk I can't have a debate with you about like Ethiopia I don't know so we're going to have to
08:03:57
Brian Atlastalk about the United States and if if your position is uh men and women have equal rights in the United States I can just move on but you did cite to even in the United States female genital
08:04:07
Brian Atlasmutilation there there are that is outlawed it is outlawed male genital mutilation is not so I don't think you have a very compelling argument well I wasn't saying that what I was trying to say I'm I'm
08:04:20
Brian Atlasjust trying to move things along because the prompt The Prompt is women have equal rights to men you disagree the first thing you cited to was something that in actuality men
08:04:31
Brian Atlasdon't have a right to bodly autonomy when it comes to this whereas women do it's outlawed mhm whereas like this is like wholesale
08:04:41
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwholesale done to like the vast majority of men in this country upon birth so I don't think you have a very strong argument there well what I was initially saying was for the entire world as a
08:04:53
Brian Atlasworld view um I've already said I can't I don't I can't talk about I talk we're talking I have to in the United States yeah absolutely I I'm sure
08:05:04
Tira Hos / Hannah RecardI'm sure that there is thing I'm sure that there is things that I am not remembering right at the moment it's not NE I'm sure I'm sure that there is
08:05:14
Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddifferent different someone else who is more knowledgeable on us laws of of gender inequality probably would have
08:05:23
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardsomething to say I do not at the moment I know more of different atrocities that happen in the worldwide news so I will
08:05:33
Brian Atlasconcede to to your point I suppose okay um what I was initially saying though is wait you do you concede or are you just saying well there there could be something that exists I'm not knowledge
08:05:44
Tira Hos / Hannah RecardI'm not knowledgeable enough on that aspect of us of US policies because a lot of times things are changing pretty quickly that's not something that I I I feel like I necessarily have like the
08:05:56
Brian Atlasbest like argument ative point on you're right um soed on another country how about you you said women you disagree that women have equal rights to men I
08:06:06
Toni Jwas speaking more like in a general worldwide you didn't specifically change unit States I mean it did not say the United States okay so men and women have
08:06:17
Brian Atlasequal rights in the United States no it didn't say United stat no I know but now I'm asking the clarifying question you you think that women do have equal
08:06:29
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardrights in the United States compared to men correct same with you I guess it also depends on state because there's state laws and there's NA national laws
08:06:39
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlike um for example women's right to equal pay that can that can be different that's a lot you different what I'm saying is that that could be different from state to state versus National but
08:06:51
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthere's Federal I mean there Federal regation there's Federal there's federal minimum wage and then there's State minimum wage like there's like I feel
08:06:59
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlike tons of little niche things that aren't necessarily quite up to par but yeah um can you give us an example or no
08:07:10
Brian Atlascan I have my phone can I can I like cuz it's the thing is like I don't know it off the top of my head but I but I am but you believe there is something that out there that exists but it's just not coming it's not coming to to my memory B
08:07:22
Brian Atlasat the moment I that's not something that I have like well my position is that there is no right that the man has that the woman doesn't actually you know what I'll be charitable the one thing that I can think of and it it you know
08:07:33
Brian Atlaswhile I think is fairly minor it is technically a right that uh me it depends on your location that men possess that women don't uh this would be uh in certain jurisdictions men can
08:07:46
Brian Atlasbe topless in public in other areas men uh women uh can be topless in public some jurisdictions I gu it's an indecency or something I don't know I
08:07:59
Brian Atlasdon't think that's really the pressing issue for most feminists I think most men would actually be like oh okay let's equalize I'm I'm in favor bust out the titties don't
08:08:09
Brian Atlascare I don't think most women want to be like walking around with their titties out to begin with I'm in I'm a feminist you want the titties out you can have the titties out are you a feminist I will Advocate I will be a
08:08:22
Brian Atlasfeminist I'll Advocate I mean I'm more of like a butt guy so I don't really you know I'm more of a labia guy to be honest like big labia matter like I don't really but boobs whatever like if
08:08:34
Brian Atlasthe labia is Big that's all it matters I actually only date women with okay anyways whatever I just want to say this real quick are you also a big La guy I
08:08:43
Eric Hutchinsknow I plead the fifth um I think it's funny how y'all didn't assume he was talking y'all assume when he was you said when he hit you up you assumed that he was talking about La but in this question you assume he was talking about
08:08:56
Eric Hutchinsthe world sing like y'all just pick and choose when y'all want to focus on nuance and when you don't just to make it I mean it's like strategy well I think it was also because I wasn't
08:09:06
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardreached out by the by the show initially I was yeah I I I was reached out by a different person who was a girl and based off of her what I looked at her thing I thought it was going to be a
08:09:19
Brian Atlaswe've talked about dating pretty substantially here I think I mean but not at La specifically like she was saying so yeah like I based off of her profile I had aume I'll have to see what she sent you I mean I have third part I have third
08:09:31
Brian Atlasparties who send messages out it's fine in I will move it on um H it was
08:09:41
Brian Atlasuh women have more rights than men I don't know if we can't linger I got to move things on quickly do you want to come back you know what we could do do you want to come do you want to come back I'm scared
08:09:53
Unknown Femaleto come back D I'm getting trolled I'm getting trolled you're killing did it once you can do it again and you have more to ask and you're from here you might as well you're bored one day yeah you did you were great okay um you're
08:10:05
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardtough you did a really good job so let's see there's uh are you are you I Overexposed myself though I really do as long as your boyriend you uh are you feminist um I would consider myself I
08:10:16
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthink I think everyone oh sorry I think everyone here would assume that that I consider myself who who else is a feminist feminist feminist feminist oh wow Fe feminist
08:10:27
Mary Gracecan someone wait like what depends on the definition of I would say you fall in the category
08:10:37
Mary Graceof a like a Neo feminist which I don't a Neo-Nazi what no I can see that you have German Heritage or something but definitely not do I agree with like
08:10:48
Mary Graceequal rights yeah but do I also think that women have a have a place and that place should be respected as a female in that mind set of typical female traits
08:11:00
Mary Graceyes feminists might hate that about me and how I feel about a traditional what is that yeah you pretty based really yeah probably okay [ __ ] it I'm not old school feminist is a way different yeah
08:11:12
Andrea Johnsonlike I feel like I'm a humanist but I feel like that should be what is the the place uh I wait the place what yeah you said you feel like women have a place what is the place Homemaker right like
08:11:23
Mary Graceno no not necessar there's options there's choices but like at the end end of the day I think biologically there is
08:11:31
Mary Gracea natural air of a Womanhood and what we say we expect from a man from a relationship I'm not saying this is every single one of you guys I'm not
08:11:42
Mary Gracesaying that about every single person I'm saying but from the issues it seems like we've discussed there's this expectation of what we want from a man in a relationship and that puts us we
08:11:53
Mary Graceneed to be accountable in our awareness of how we present ourselves and what the expectation is from a man is the expectation from a man to us as a woman
08:12:03
Eric Hutchinsin the the place as a female that we reside in to accept like accept yeah because on the flip side if we've thought like women y'all wouldn't like us like in other words if we felt like you know what I can come outside and
08:12:16
Eric Hutchinsjust wear what the hell I want to wear I'm still a man you going to be like n you're not so so we got to be fair we certain things we have to do that's expected of the opposite sex you don't have to acques and be B and kiss every
08:12:27
Eric Hutchinsman's ass but you're going to you're going to judge a man who comes out and flip-flops every day with a tank top like you're not going to say well who am I to judge them you're not going to find that appealing you're not going to see
08:12:39
Eric Hutchinsthat as masculine so same thing with women we see you dress a certain way we're not going to we expect a certain basic decorum between the Sexes I think it keeps things civil I think trying to
08:12:50
Eric Hutchinsprove a point and be extreme on both sides is just a waste of time and it's really hurting the future Generations cuz they they watching us I think I would B to differ on the the the guy with the
08:13:01
Eric Hutchinsflipflops you said what I would I would I mean I'm sure you beg the differ on damn everything I say like but so you have a body type preference wait just don't be overweight you know
08:13:13
Kayla Hardyyou could have a little p you like I'm not looking for Perfection just be you know healthy decent you know what I mean I don't I'm not into you to see that through like what they wear right you know so so if a guy if they're that big yeah you know what I'm saying but if you
08:13:26
Eric Hutchinss if you you could it's it's level some women can kind of hide their little curage but some women are so big no matter what they wear I'm just not into big women you know what I'm saying I'm not big I'm not if I can't do this to
08:13:36
Eric Hutchinsyour waist you too big like I can't if I got to do this I'm good so if a guy is a surfer bro and he's that's different he's at the beach I'm talking about if you're handling come on talking about
08:13:47
Eric Hutchinsgrown man in the store like when I see grown men with their families and you got your wife and you got your kids and you slapping around the house sound like Nana walking behind me you know that's some goofy ass [ __ ] that's not manly to
08:13:58
Eric Hutchinsme because first of all if some [ __ ] pop off how you going to get busy with some flip-flops on I'm going to step on your toes and get busy so that's dumb that's not protective it's not putting yourself in a protective way but like you saying like like you're doing like I feel like
08:14:10
Eric Hutchinsyou just you just want to you just you doing some you on some power struggle [ __ ] I'm not I'm not on not on a power struggle I'm what about the surfer bro Surfer on the beach guys I just don't understand what's wrong with it I just
08:14:22
Eric Hutchinsexplained it if you're a man and you're out if you're out by yourself do what you want I just don't think it's becoming of a man to walk around with house shoes it's just it's just goofy it never was cool and it's not cool now
08:14:34
Eric Hutchinsit's cool for women like you you know why because women like you would love to change The Narrative of men because it'll fit your ego but in reality a man should not be outside as a warrior as a
08:14:46
Eric Hutchinsprotective man not of just people of his [ __ ] self with his toes exposed please don't put words in I don't got to with the provocative clothing like for example if I go to hot yoga or something and I want to wear
08:14:58
Kayla Hardyleggings in a sports bra because I'm sweating really bad but it reveals my body as that say it again repeat it I'm sorry for the provocative clothing topic uh if I want to go to my hot yoga class and I have to wear leggings in a sports
08:15:10
Unknown Femalebra is it provocative to do that because I need to cuz I'm like sweating out all my but it's a hot yoga class so but if I'm walking in like that I think he means just what's your intention and what you're wearing like if you're like going to the gym like you can wear what
08:15:22
Eric Hutchinsyou want be comfortable but if you're at the beach it's expected to at the grocery store then like what is your intent to wearly if I'm out with my children I'm out with my wife I don't want to be flipping flopping around the
08:15:34
Eric Hutchinsit's just stupid you're not ready to move you're not ready to run you're not even physically able to move at a certain Pace if something pop off with flip flops on what the [ __ ] is talking about like if a fight if it's a
08:15:46
Eric Hutchinsterrorist attack you got on some Nike flipflops you can't be having flipflops what your kids come on we flopping outside they going to you're done that's crazy sound like n when I hear flip flops I be thinking that sound like Nana
08:15:59
Eric Hutchinswalking behind me bro not no grown ass man me personally I don't like grown men walking outside with flipflops it's only cool because women said it's cool and dudes who care that much about women liking them will do that [ __ ] but I'm not one of those dudes I'm going stand up for what's real whether women like
08:16:12
Brian Atlasthat [ __ ] or not guys we're going to do this uh we don't have time for a proper roast session we're going to do a $69 TTS roast session uh if you guys want just because if it's like $20 $30 it's
08:16:22
Brian Atlasjust going we're be here all night so we're going to do $69 TTS session if you want you can get it in $69 TTS row session while while those are coming in we're going to do hit a couple more points then we're going to wrap up the
08:16:34
Brian Atlasshow here so uh we were talking about like feminis oh really quick um I don't know war came up earlier um do you would you you're a feminist right would you be in you believe in equality
08:16:47
Brian Atlasright CU one of the prompts here is it says uh feminism is not about equality you disagreed to about that um would you do you believe in like for example
08:16:57
Brian Atlascurrently the military uh military conscription Selective Service the draft do you think women should be um have to be drafted well here's my thing I don't like the draft for men or women I don't
08:17:10
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthink either one should have to be drafted I don't think that you should have to potentially die against your will that's that's my thing but given the reality that but given the reality do you have to register for the
08:17:22
Tira Hos / Hannah RecardSelective Service should women equally have to register I I suppose if if I suppose yes but in a perfect world I don't think the world's not perfect like
08:17:33
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthere's military conflicts yes yeah okay um lots of my friends actually willingly went into the military they volunteered
08:17:41
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardyeah yeah they volunteered um and you know they they had probably not the best
08:17:50
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardexperiences in in the military as women but um that being said um I fully supported their choice to want to join I was super excited for
08:18:01
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthem to want to join the military so I feel like I would have the same level of excitement for a woman to join the military as a guy yes I I I dislike both of those but if I'm saying if there was
08:18:13
Brian Atlasa situation where I would be happy for a friend of mine to be so currently currently the laws when it comes to selective service women are excluded from having to register for the draft you would be in favor of equalizing this so women could also be in some time
08:18:27
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardscenario they could be drafted you're in favor of this you'd have to be to believe in in equality wouldn't you I would be in favor of doing away with the draft yeah but that's not possible why why is that
08:18:38
Brian Atlasnot possible because if we want to war we need someone to fight a war here governments so governments and Nations they're not going to relinquish their right to force its citiz citizenry into a military conflict if the nation needs
08:18:50
Brian Atlasto be defended here let me ask you a question right here's a hypothetical scenario there is a invading Army I don't know China I don't know whatever
08:19:02
Brian Atlashypothetical let's not I'm not even going to say a nation forget China this invading Army is super belligerent and the values of this invading country are
08:19:13
Brian Atlastotally contradictory to the values of the United States so for example they're like they they're slavery and they if
08:19:24
Brian Atlasthey do invade the country and they wi they're going to essay all the women in the country okay would you agree that
08:19:34
Brian Atlasand here's the scenario if the government if the United States forces its males to find the war that's going to be a tra it's going to be terrible for the men many men are going to die
08:19:46
Brian Atlasbut they will repel this attack from this this nation if they don't force the men into military service because let's assume like the men are not willing to for
08:19:58
Brian Atlaswhatever reason the Other Nation will have a victory in the military conflict they're going to kill all the men in the population anyways and they're going to
08:20:08
Brian Atlasessay all the women do you think that the government should then be able to force its citizenry to fight the war I think in
08:20:19
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthis situation I would agree that both female and male like US citizens would should be no just men wait what justment no what your first question was do you think that women
08:20:31
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardshould also have to join the draft in that situation I see what you're saying I would agree because there's plenty of countries that it is unisex for the draft right but you you not very many
08:20:41
Brian Atlasit's it's pretty rare but in any case so the the question is though you were arguing well it shouldn't be this way so I was presenting to you scenario we like
08:20:52
Brian Atlaswell should it be this way in this scenario what I was saying is I would hope that it wouldn't have to yeah but like I I wish there was world
08:21:02
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardpeace and all the stuff right the reality is if if it was forced and we had an uncom like a someone trying to invade us then yes I would agree that
08:21:12
Brian Atlasthat and we had to do the draft that both women and men who are healthy and no it would just be men in this example oh wait okay it would just be men I I'm having a separate conversation because
08:21:24
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardyou're like oh the draft shouldn't exist but I'm like okay how about in this scenario should the draft exist okay in in the situation that we're being actively invaded and not enough people have signed up then yes they have to
08:21:37
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthey have to force me to fight then I'm then we have to we have to force people to fight yeah okay yeah and I would say in that situation both men and women should be wait you dis you disagree I
08:21:49
Unknown Femaledisagree okay if you look in history I disagree with her is what I'm saying only because with the fact of both men and women should fight but I said I'm not for I'm not for really feminism I'm a girls girl you don't want to fight I
08:22:02
Unknown Femaledon't want to fight and not only that if you look if you look in history if women were there during the war we were all just graped and that's how their cultures and stuff started like usually
08:22:15
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthey just use us as a tool we don't fight we don't do anything we're just property to another country well I mean the reason why I was saying that they should is because if we are being
08:22:25
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardactively invaded I would be thinking about all of the younger girls that would be essayed versus I versus me you know like if we're talking about actively being invaded so do you think
08:22:37
Brian Atlasthough I mean I'm taking it in a bit of a different direction but like in the scenario that I presented you agree that the men should be drafted yes okay and I said in that
08:22:48
Brian Atlassituation I also agree that women women should be drafted okay so you do think that women should be drafted then in reality yes in that very rare circumstance of
08:23:00
Brian Atlasthat happening but so the current reality is that men are subject to force military conscription they have to register for the Selective Service it's a felony if they don't register there's a fine they're barred from certain federal programs they can't get student
08:23:12
Brian Atlasfinancial aid there's a couple other ra they can't get certain federal jobs there's some other ramifications that aren't immediately coming to my head but this is a this is only applicable to men
08:23:23
Brian Atlasonly men can be subject to military conscription even in peace time currently we're well I mean there's kind of some military conflicts going on in the world the US is
08:23:35
Brian Atlasnot and okay in any case you're you believe for the sake of equality as a feminist right shouldn't women also be uh subject to military conscription yes in this in the
08:23:47
Brian Atlassituation that you had listed but I don't no just the current okay that that was like I used an extreme example I used an EXT extreme example I'm just
08:23:56
Brian Atlasasking in the current should they be equally subject to military conscription and I'll even Grant to you that most of these women are probably not going to like just the reality of warfare they're
08:24:07
Brian Atlasgoing to be like I I I read uh something once to have one person in combat requires eight support people so to have one person in combat requires eight support people we don't even have to put
08:24:20
Brian Atlasthe women in combat they can be doing pencil Pusher [ __ ] they can be in support roles far from the front line should they be forced into military cons conscription the way men are yes if we
08:24:31
Brian Atlasare talking about a draft it should be both parties okay cool uh I do have one kind of different direction thing here with this um do you think that how about this
08:24:42
Brian Atlasscenario there is we can see into the future okay okay we can see 20 years into the future and we know in 20 years that same Army that I described that Nation who's barbaric and who's going to
08:24:55
Brian Atlaskill all the men and basically make the women slaves and Essay them um we can see the future and we say uh our
08:25:04
Brian Atlaspopulation is not big enough to thwart this threat now the only way that we can stop this threat is if we draft the women not not to fight the war but to
08:25:17
Brian Atlasbirth children hold on to birth children so that in 18 19 20 years time when they're fighting age we can repel the
08:25:29
Brian Atlasenemy do you think we should be able to conscript do you think we should be able to I know it's kind of like a crazy hypothetical do you think we should be able to conscript women in the same way
08:25:39
Brian Atlasthat we can currently conscript men to be forced to go D in war should we be conscript women to who otherwise some women would volunteer yes I will find
08:25:51
Brian Atlasmen and I will have children because I don't want us to be all killed and ESS some women though we have to force some women to have children no would you make
08:26:02
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthat trade um no because because go ahead no no go ahead there are lots of countries that have implemented um strategies to try and increase birth
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Tira Hos / Hannah Recardrate and the United States has done none of those measures so I think if we did then that would you wouldn't have to force anyone you know give free child
08:26:24
Brian Atlascare give incentives the hypothetical scenario the hypothetical scenario entails that this invading Nation will win the war in 20
08:26:36
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardyears time because we can see in the future will win the war in 20 years time unless like all women birth like two children in the next two years that that
08:26:47
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardis such a honestly a ridiculous argument it's it well it's like engage with it what I'm what I'm saying is is no no no
08:26:56
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthat is absolutely so immorally wrong to force someone to be pregnant it is it it would be a form of sexual assault if if I'm not correct because you're forcing
08:27:08
Brian Atlasso the alternative is that they end up getting sexually assaulted anyways and all the men are put that should be their choice I suppose it should be women's Choice it should be women so then why should it be the government's choice to
08:27:20
Brian Atlascurrent as it currently is why can the government Force men to go and die in a war I don't want them to force agree with either one yeah I don't agree with that but but it's just no but it's
08:27:32
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlike the reality it there's plenty of things that should that are a reality that can be changed if we decide to act on
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Unknown Femaleit it would require total consensus from every single person in the world for war to end I want to say we'd have to take people off our front lines not our
08:27:51
Brian Atlasprotection so it's like a it's a sticky it's just interesting to me like so you as a woman because in the scenario I provided before I said just draft the men just draft the men into that war you're like well yes of course we should
08:28:04
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardtake away men's bodily autonomy no I didn't say that that's literally you said I said men and women I said both should be drafted I never said that only men should be drafted yeah but the
08:28:14
Brian Atlasscenario I mean the one is involving sex and that's also a big different the oh my go the difference is the difference is is that even if women get dra drafted
08:28:26
Brian Atlasthe just the reality of warfare they're not going to put women on the front line even if they do get drafted so there's a differential in when it comes to bodly
08:28:42
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardautonomy [Music] okay forcing people to have children and taking away their right to be able to
08:28:54
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlike live the life that they want to so that you can control a potential war in the fut a potential War it's a it's it's just there's so many hypothetical on top
08:29:05
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardcrazy hypothetical I know it's a crazy hypothetical but it's like so the most people would rather just leave the United States and leave it to [ __ ] burn to be
08:29:14
Brian Atlashonest most women so okay the just to be clear here the entailment though of the scenario is uh some women get forced into having children bear in mind they
08:29:27
Brian Atlascan like still try to find a guy that they would want to have sex with uh they have to have these children
08:29:37
Brian Atlaswhereas if they don't then all the women get essayed anyways and then all the men get put to
08:29:46
Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddeath you'd still prefer the if if it was like if a alert came out tomorrow on the global news or or on National and
08:29:56
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwas like every woman of 25 and older needs to have two children within the next 5 years I I pack up my [ __ ] and leave I would leave and I think a lot of women would okay let's assume and you're
08:30:07
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlooking for a little uh loophole here let's assume because you've given me an impossible situation and the answer is no there is no situation in which forcing a woman to carry something that she doesn't want to or forcing her to
08:30:19
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardhave sex when she doesn't want to is in any situation ever redeemable can I ask you a question how about the difference in um there's one woman left on Earth and
08:30:31
Eric Hutchinsshe doesn't want to have sex so then the world [ __ ] dies out I'm I'm glad she's saying this because what she's proven that you're not leaders we are because when push come to shove if you have to do something
08:30:44
Eric Hutchinsoutside of your natural will for the greater good you won't do it and that's cool but that's just what it is cuz men we we no that that's exactly what you're doing because if you if the fate of the
08:30:55
Eric Hutchinscountry is based on you just saying hey we don't want you to allow yourself to get assaulted because women you see couples that may have a surrogate where the wife can't get pregnant and she'll have sex with another guy cuz he can
08:31:06
Eric Hutchinsimpregnate her women do that all the time so am I lying women have some women men might be sterile or they might have a surrogate or a man that can you know they use his semen to impregnate the
08:31:17
Eric Hutchinswife sometimes too I'm just I'm just what I'm saying is what I'm saying is the her women have been in positions where she had sex with someone that's not her choice or her mate for the
08:31:29
Eric Hutchinsgreater good of something it may be to have a child with her gay lover or with her man who's impotent so that's her allowing her body to be entered for her personal benefit but when it comes to
08:31:40
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthe benefit of the greater good she won't do it well it's about choice we know and you made a choice to not be a leader own it I well okay first of all
08:31:52
Eric Hutchinswe're saying the last woman on planet Earth I was talking about the other scenario when he said we need people we're we're being invaded we need children we need then you look to your allies we have
08:32:03
Tira Hos / Hannah Recardmilitary alliances for a reason you got you got to engage with hypo hypothetical though you can't be like well there's okay well we have the said hypotheticals for for these type of you know talks but like you know I didn't know this was