08:32:16Brian Atlasgoing to be a question I could have come up with a bunch of hypotheticals for this question to shoot right back at you entailment the entailment oh the you leave the the allies whatever uh the
08:32:28Brian Atlasentailment requires that the woman would have to do this thing in order to like save all the other women and future women and then the future women and then
08:32:39Tira Hos / Hannah Recardall the men too and I can guarantee that there would be women to pick that up if if that if that came to be because they would they would recognize that but forcing a woman who does not want to
08:32:50Tira Hos / Hannah Recardhelp and does not want to do that that's that's her body and you you shouldn't Force the same way that the draft shouldn't be forced it's my same opinion is that it should not the draft should
08:33:01Tira Hos / Hannah Recardnot well I mean the government if if Pearl Harbor was happening like right now again in 2024 and we were having a constant by the way
08:33:12Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlike 19 I say 48 no no it was I want to say
08:33:17Tira Hos / Hannah Recardit was like 53 or 40 5 46 no wait 1946 are you thinking of the Korean more like Pearl Harbor oh
08:33:29Tira Hos / Hannah Recardboy okay it's it's been it's been a it's been a long time quick I'm moving on I know by the way guys uh the scenario I
08:33:41Brian Atlasprovided I just want to make it clear I'm not in any way in favor of that scenario ever playing out I don't think that should ever be the case it's simply
08:33:52Brian Atlasa really insane thought experiment to have um when was World War II are you serious um
08:34:03Brian Atlas1960s yep okay yeah something to go with oh I'm not confirming or denying but 1960s okay 60s yeah just do decade what decade World War II I think it's like
08:34:13Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwait it's 1940s I think it's the 40s okay yeah it's the 40s I have no idea guess guess I I I don't know okay somewhere around what they said guess throw the throw that
08:34:29Brian Atlasdecade okay what about you my grandpa was in World War II W 40s or sorry I don't know is you didn't D
08:34:39Brian Atlasit yes skip me I don't know guess the 40s 19 okay that was beautiful all right okay I'm moving on um wait what's the
08:34:49Tira Hos / Hannah Recardanswer 1939 to 1945 I said 45 you said I said no because I got I got the number switch I said um let's play this back I I I last
08:35:01Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthing with the war last thing with the War uh who's the primary victim of war men or women in that war or no any uh all wars any War uh are we talking about just
08:35:14Brian Atlascasualty like deaths just total totality okay Pro probably it depends on the war but I
08:35:23Tira Hos / Hannah Recardguess uh how about the Ukraine War it would be men World War II are we talking about all of the Jews that died because I don't know there's a
08:35:34Toni Jlot of women that died they're all men that's hard that's hard with that one I don't know it's all men it's all it's all men men that's the answer
08:35:46Andrea Johnsonmen okay who's the primary victim of four men or women men I guess men I don't know they already answered they're all men oh okay
08:35:55Brian Atlasmen men and you already answered okay uh let's see here oh okay I swear it's like three more questions
08:36:06Andrea Johnsonokay um at you can be sexist towards men yes we've all sat here and pretty much did it you said yes yeah I I said yes we all sat here and pretty much did
08:36:18Andrea Johnsonit in the begin to be sexist you have to be coming from a position of power Prejudice plus power that thing uh what about you what can you be sexist towards men
08:36:28Andrea Johnsonyeah yeah can you explain the Prejudice plus power thing well it's like for example racism to be racist technically you have to be coming from a position of
08:36:40Andrea Johnsonpower me proceed true me doing something that may be
08:36:47Andrea Johnsonhurtful to you would not be technically racist Prejudice wrong immoral yes but
08:36:56Unknown Femaleracist no I have a question so if someone says like a racial slur to you does that not make them racist cuz it didn't hurt your feelings is that what you're saying that's not what I'm saying I'm
08:37:08Andrea Johnsonsaying the person maybe I heard it wrong the person that is portraying or eliciting these things they have to be coming from a position of power so I don't mean necessary here let me let me
08:37:20Brian Atlasdo a quick example to try to move things along here okay Barack Obama when he was presid uh he had a white janitor this is hypothetical he didn't this isn't
08:37:30Brian Atlasactually real um systemic power sorry so Barack Obama when he was president he had a white janitor he fires the white
08:37:38Brian Atlasjanitor because he uh the Jor was white is that racist it's Prejudice wrong wrong wait hold on you said you just said the definition of definition of
08:37:49Brian Atlasracism is Prejudice plus power systemic systemic power yeah the system of the executive branch of the United States government which is the most powerful country in the world African-American
08:38:00Andrea Johnsonpeople do not have systemic power overall we do not have systemic power Mexican americ do not have systemic power it's not racist wrong not racist
08:38:11Brian AtlasBarack Obama African-American yes or no yes okay Barack Obama president most powerful man in the world and of the most power president leader of the most
08:38:23Andrea Johnsonpowerful country in the world he's in a place of power but he does not have systemic power what do you mean he literally controls the government system he's the you know let me ask you a
08:38:33Brian Atlasquestion is the executive branch of the government a system yes is Barack Obama a African-American
08:38:42Brian Atlasman okay no no no you got to answer the question yes yes okay so the executive branch of the government is a
08:38:51Brian Atlassystem Barack Obama an African-American man was the leader of a system the executive
08:39:02Andrea Johnsonbranch how is that not let me give you another example so if I have a boss and he is Latino and he fires me because he's black just because he is higher up
08:39:13Andrea Johnsonthan me does not mean that that was racist it was wrong it wasn't right he would get in trouble for it but wait it's not racist it wasn't wait not racist no it wasn't racist it was
08:39:24Eric Hutchinsprejudice cuz it wasn't systemic well can I ask systematic racism is one thing and racism is another I can say I don't like you because you're this or whatever that doesn't mean I have the power to
08:39:37Eric Hutchinschange your life I can say I don't like nobody in here because of their color but if it can't impact how they move and how they can take care of themselves there's no power behind it the power in
08:39:47Eric Hutchinsit is I'm hurting your feelings systematic racism is when they create redlining and unfair banking practices to prevent people from upward Mobility those are not the same things what the
08:40:00Unknown Femalehell is you talking about I want to say racism is just ignorance it's not power it's just of like not knowing systematic racism is not to people you don't want to understand other sides you just took out a whole group can I answer your
08:40:12Brian Atlasquestion sure hypothetical scenario uh a a group of black men beat up a white person
08:40:23Andrea Johnsonbecause he's white is that racism it's wrong but they are not racist okay and then
08:40:34Tira Hos / Hannah Recardso I'm trying to figure out thear what about like if what if he's Asian let's let's look up the definition I think she's talking about like the actual definition versus like what people's
08:40:45Brian Atlasinterpretation of the word is a group of Asian group a group of Asian men beat up
08:40:52Andrea Johnsona black person are because he's black is that racist no oh my God so wait a group of white people I'm going off of the
08:41:04Brian Atlasdefinition want to be technical that's true a group of a group of white people beat up a black person racist right is the so is the only group that
08:41:15Toni Jcan be racist towards black people then is white people for in the US huh I'm a mix kid and that is not truebody convers is just Tak we're
08:41:27Tira Hos / Hannah Recardg i I'm not trying to speak for you but I think you're talking about the literal definition of racism versus Prejudice because I to say my
08:41:38Toni Jwhite lital defition if I so if I were to go over there and and slap her just because I say I don't like white people that's not racist I'm talking about the literal definition what is the literal
08:41:51Toni Jdefinition what is the literal that's what I just said look it up but what is what is racist what is racist to you look up the I'm not asking to look up the obviously I can but I'm asking you
08:42:02Toni JI'm asking I'm asking you what is your definition of just look up the definition I don't I'm black I don't need to look up the definition of just asking your tell you what is your what
08:42:13Toni Jis your not I'm telling you to look up the definition and read Dam telling you don't come you what is your your definition not the Dictionary's
08:42:23Eric Hutchinsdefinition your iary not the dictionary the I no I wasn't I wasn't correcting I was just we got it what is it what you got because what she's saying is really disturbing because it's like the boy who
08:42:36Eric Hutchinscry wolf There's real racist situations that'll be ignored because of the goofy [ __ ] you just said that don't make no damn sense systematic racism if I'm black and somebody from the neighborhood that's white and we say yo get out of
08:42:46Eric Hutchinshere white boy and beat him up that's racist is it systematically racism no because we don't have a system backing us to prevent them from upward Mobility
08:42:56Eric Hutchinsbut discriminating anybody based on race gender or any that's it's discrimination it's racism because it's based on their race it's discrimination when you're saying I don't like you because I don't like what you're wearing I don't like
08:43:08Eric Hutchinsyour shirt that's discrimination but if I'm doing it basely solely based on race it's racism so racism Prejudice discrimination or antagonism by an
08:43:18Eric Hutchinsindividual Community or institution against a person or people on the basis of membership in a particular racial or ethnic group typically one that is
08:43:30Eric Hutchinsminority or marginalized the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics abilities or qualities especially so as to distinguish them as
08:43:41Andrea Johnsoninferior or Superior to one another so what are you talking about okay now look up who can be racist anybody we don't have to look we're grown as hell you tell us no you tell us no I'm asking you to look we don't have to I'm asking you
08:43:54Andrea Johnsonto look it up everybody can beac but it's your claim it's your claim so who can be racist black people I I already I already you're racist based on the goofy [ __ ] you just said don't make no damn sense
08:44:06Brian Atlasyou just said that white people only be racist that make sense let's not attack each other on this goofy people be getting messed up over real racism this is not it into the mic um wait why don't you just here why don't you tell us who
08:44:17Andrea Johnsoncan be racist I already said my opinion can here I'll ask them can Asian people be racist I'm not going to say anything else because you guys are attacking me so it doesn't really matter what I have to say no don't don't do that because
08:44:31Toni Jyou're like you don't want anything from me over here I'm I'm just I'm going to let you have it and over there let you okay guys guys so okay um just answer the question I'm not attacking you I'm just
08:44:44Brian AtlasI'm trying to no I think I'm done with that I'm I'm trying to understand your worldview okay okay can Asian people be racist I I told you I'm done well that's intellectually coward intellectual
08:44:54Tira Hos / Hannah Recardcowardice well no CU how ien how about a different question well okay fine fine I'll just do you VI the word prejudice in the way that he said
08:45:05Tira Hos / Hannah Recardso he said wa hold hold on hold on can can I thank you you said racism versus systematic racism in your comparison and she said racism versus Prejudice do you
08:45:16Tira Hos / Hannah Recardalign your version of prejudice to his reg his version of regular racism correct that's what I'm trying to say you guys are talking about the same thing just using different words for
08:45:28Eric Hutchinsdefinitely not talking about the same thing that's that sister that's that Sisterhood shh That's The Sisterhood definitely not talking I know not I know I'm saying wasr but but that's the [ __ ] they be
08:45:41Eric Hutchinstrying to do you want to tag her in because you trying to defend her let her defend her own argument she didn't make no damn she getting up on and she exactly not making
08:45:50Toni Jsense what I was taught in school was that racism is systematic we're that is wrong it is wrong very wrong it is absolutely 100% wrong this is 2024 it is
08:46:02Eric Hutchinswrong it go off that is wrong what did you learn on your own do you have a library have you Googled anything have you bought a book to teach you what what it is instead of just listening to what people say like what study have you done
08:46:14Brian Atlason your own two two black people versus one black person that's why I asked you to look up the definition we did and we just read it I was that wasn't my notes I got to sit this one out you guys got
08:46:24Brian Atlasno I'm good man I'm gu [ __ ] I'm TI um here but this this all stemmed from because I just asked um can you be sexist towards men and you said no in the and you said like it's the same way
08:46:35Brian Atlaslike how you can't be racist uh like towards white people or black people like so um really we'll move off of the race thing let's go to the sexist thing um let's say a company uh a company
08:46:47Brian Atlasthat's owned by women they refuse to hire men is that sexist it's wrong she literally can't it's wait hold that's the that's a system it's a mindset you literally like
08:46:58Brian AtlasI okay um it's discriminatory wait so just to be clear let's say this is a uh publicly this company is a public let's do uh
08:47:08Brian Atlaslet's go ahead and split this this company is a publicly traded company it's worth billions of dollars the board is made up entirely of women they control the board they uh they are all
08:47:21Brian Atlasin the HR department they handle all the hiring they refuse to hire men is that sexist I think I already told you my
08:47:34Brian Atlasanswer so I don't know how else to actually like articulate this so you don't think those women have power so these are the the board of
08:47:47Brian Atlasdirectors is M all the women on the board of directors they're Millionaires and they're looking to hire a male janitor who's I'm not saying that they don't hold on so these women these women are
08:47:58Brian Atlasall millionaires they're all on the board of directors okay and they're looking to hire a male janitor right but
08:48:06Brian Atlasthey they refuse to because and this man he uh he's an immigrant and he came he's
08:48:14Brian Atlasliving in poverty who has the power in this situation based off of how I I
08:48:26Brian Atlaslearned no no no no not what you learn listen to the words I'm saying like put it put it through your mind here I already told you that the women have the power in this situation yeah so but it this meets your own definition right so
08:48:38Brian AtlasI'm even like using your def I disagree with your definition but I'm using your definition you said Prejudice plus power you just granted that the woman have the
08:48:48Brian Atlasyou grant right that the women in this situation have the power correct mhm so this meets your definition right so you must concede that this is
08:49:03Eric Hutchinssexism I think we can just agree to disagree this is this is like crazy this is but I'm glad people saying this is on some Manan candidate [ __ ] like as you can see this feminism [ __ ] is a it's a
08:49:13Andrea Johnsonit's a demonic Spirit yo mind control that has nothing do that has nothing to do with feminism to do withis I want I want to test I want to test the logic hold on hold on I want to test the logic
08:49:25Brian Atlasa little here let's let's use a different country so white person goes to China can they be can they be racist towards him no who based off of the the
08:49:36Unknown Femaledefinition like a white racism said nothing racism nothing to do with One race like it's notm it's not whism it's racism not
08:49:48Brian Atlasblackism it's not Mex CH this one change the racism races there's more than one race y let's stop calling it common sense it's Uncommon Sense okay wait no no no hold on hold on so a white person
08:49:59Brian Atlasgoes to China who has all the power in China Chinese people or white people okay they have all the power they have all the and the systemic power right the Chinese
08:50:11Brian Atlaspeople have systemic power in China can't believe I'm even saying this um a white person goes to China can the Chinese be racist towards the white person yes yes you just you literally
08:50:24Brian Atlasjust said no I thought you said could the white person be racist towards the ches person okay all right at least you're at least you're somewhat consistent in your worldview cuz I was
08:50:35Brian Atlasabout to say that'd be ridiculous yeah sorry I misunderstood okay so if a white person goes to Africa would this also
08:50:42Brian Atlasapply and like an African country that's like 99.99% black can the can the uh black people be racist in that African
08:50:53Brian Atlascountry racist to the white person in that country correct okay at least you're consistent in this application here
08:51:03Brian Atlasum so is there any I assume then for you there's no country in which a woman can be sexist towards
08:51:12Brian Atlasmen not that I know of okay so I'm just confused here though so well what about a what about a country where the woman
08:51:22Brian Atlasthe woman is the head of state does that change the power dynamic in that well I suppose it could still be patriarchal even if with a woman head of state I well could it I don't know this
08:51:34Brian Atlasis this is wait okay um the richest woman in the world who probably got it through
08:51:43Brian Atlasdivorce but the richest woman in the world she's looking to hire a Mexican
08:51:52Brian Atlasimmigrant to do uh what's the term for it Labor uh yard work what's Labor Landscaping
08:52:02Brian AtlasLandscaping thank you hires a Mexican immigrant a male Mexican immigrant to do oh great but now it's going to get like intersectional and you're going to be like oh but he's a Mexican immigrant so
08:52:12Andrea Johnsonokay and this okay [ __ ] okay okay who has the power in that situation the the woman is hiring The Immigrant
08:52:24Brian Atlasokay [ __ ] I should not have introduced The Immigrant okay the the the richest woman in the world
08:52:34Brian Atlashires a white man from a middle class
08:52:40Brian Atlasbackground to do landscaping for her who has the
08:52:49Andrea Johnsonpower uh where is what races the woman I I'm I'm confused
08:52:57Andrea Johnsonshe's white it's a white man and the situation in terms of employment the woman does terms of she refuses to hire him because
08:53:10Brian AtlasI don't know where all these female landscapers are but she refuses to hire him because he's a man is that sexist then my answer is going to be the same it's discrimination
08:53:25Brian AtlasI I I actually my previous example was better though the this company the whole board is women and they're looking to hire uh a janitor but they refuse to
08:53:34Brian Atlashire a male janitor because because he's male is that sexist sorry repeat the question the
08:53:45Brian Atlasokay how about this let me reverse it a company that all the everybody on the board of directors they're all male
08:53:55Brian Atlasthey're looking to hire um a uh a cleaning lady somebody to clean the the office but they refuse to hire a female Clean cleaning lady because she's a woman is
08:54:08Eric Hutchinsthat sexist yes they're all male so why is it different when women do it to men I don't I don't know how else to like this is but this is D this is dangerous because there's people that
08:54:21Tira Hos / Hannah Recardreally think like this in the world and will [ __ ] somebody's life up with this dumb ass rhetoric like this [ __ ] is crazy you're talking about feminism and I heard you say that feminism is like Witchcraft and as much as I think no I
08:54:31Eric Hutchinssay it's what she's talking about and this mentality I heard it forget feminis this mentality that she has and other women have where they can stand in the
08:54:41Eric Hutchinsface of logic and say no is demonic to me that's my statement I'm standing demonic under my control it doesn't make no damn sense can we not call each other
08:54:53Eric HutchinsI said it's demonic mind state is demonic you're not demonic you're not a demon but that mind mentality when you can say women imposing their power is
08:55:02Eric Hutchinsnot sexist but men doing it as sexist that's extremely biased last one last one let's say I know you were probably very upset that Trump won I'm sorry I
08:55:14Brian Atlasknow you were very upset hey why is this visible here we should not have these hats visible do you want a hat you wear I'm straight man I'm straight um Trump
08:55:24Brian Atlasdidn't win the election right Cala wins same scenario she's looking to hire a janitor in the white house she
08:55:36Brian Atlasrefuses Cala Harris she she won the presidency she refuses to hire a man because he is a man and he's applying for a janitor position is that sexist
08:55:56Andrea Johnsonare you asking me yeah I'm obviously asking you oh no you were looking that way so oh I'm just looking into the distance my answers are still going to be the same I don't know if different
08:56:10Brian Atlasquestions but they all have the same answer no just answer the question just answer the question it's the same answer yeah what's the answer it's the same thing so no no is it no yes it's the same thing so Camala Harris who is in
08:56:22Brian Atlascharge of the executive branch of the the United States government which is a system she's the most powerful arguably the most powerful person in the world now that she's president United States
08:56:33Brian Atlasmost powerful country in the world leader of said country she has the power she has the Prejudice it meets your own I'm using your own
08:56:45Brian Atlasdefinition of sexism how is she non-sexist I already told you this is a
08:56:55Tira Hos / Hannah Recardperfect example of cognitive distance I'm using your definition right like she can't even save her no don't it's all right can't save you can't keep
08:57:05Tira Hos / Hannah Recardsaving let you can't save her here try to help her okay I I I believe that you can obviously be sexist to men and I think
08:57:16Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthat based off of on the basis of sex which we know like was solidified in in our I guess legislator by Ruth Gat Ruth Bader Ginsburg that
08:57:28Tira Hos / Hannah Recardbeing said I think what disconnect is verbage because sometimes people have different verbage of of like what they interpret as Prejudice versus racism
08:57:41Brian Atlasversus systematic racism I'm using her definition I'm literally using her definition and she won't she won't even Grant it she will not even Grant what would you what would you call that like situation I
08:57:53Tira Hos / Hannah Recardsuppose what would I call it yeah like if it's crazy like if it wasn't if it wasn't what word would you use instead of sexist I
08:58:05Brian Atlassuppose L it no is this the like just curious I'm not trying to be mean is this the first time you've ever heard like a
08:58:15Brian Atlasdissenting opinion on this I've heard yeah different and by the way I know like maybe as a white man I but you've had two African-American individuals do you guys prefer black
08:58:27Eric Hutchinsreally don't do you prefer black sorry I'm I'm really white so I don't know what's doesn't matter like I mean for the sake of this conversation it don't matter I have I have my opinion on on that I don't like the you know black and
08:58:40Brian Atlaswhite no one's really literally black nobody's literally white but I that's a whole another conversation yeah I'm kind of like pink I'm pink yeah I'm Brown I people need to identify me properly um as a pink I'm a pink person I'm [ __ ]
08:58:53Brian Atlasnow Dad wow you would not do well on a date with her I'm sorry okay I'm a little
08:59:00Brian Atlastistic theism now okay so um it's just like using your own definition you even then you just you won't even Grant it
08:59:13Eric Hutchinsthat's extreme bias uh that's sexist all right yeah it is kind of like to say she is she's not be offensive but you you are sexist it's
08:59:23Eric HutchinsOB like your mindset is fixated on men are the problem and no matter what argument comes to you cuz me I'll act yes you ain't got to say it you you saying it without saying it you don't
08:59:37Eric Hutchinsneed to say it you literally we gave you two scenarios that are identical and you couldn't say yeah that woman's being sexist you couldn't say it so that means your mind is already fixated and made up that women can never be and impose U
08:59:49Eric Hutchinsimpose any type of force on men your mind is already made up your high as hell own it if there's a country where women have majority power that's not the
08:59:58Andrea Johnsonpoint no no no no no I'm answering you said that in in every case that I would be sexist towards men so if if women had majority power he gave you a scenario of
09:00:10Brian Atlasthat and you still denied it we all seen it we recorded she's saying that even if Kamala won the presidency there would still be a patriarchy there still like it would still be like men ower but like
09:00:21Brian Atlasdo you agree that there's like micro and macro L stuff like for example um like there's the societal there's the like I guess the societal systemic level sexism
09:00:32Brian Atlasbut isn't there individual level sexism yeah I I could agree to that like for example um if I man I don't know how
09:00:42Brian Atlasmany other ways I can put this if uh a
09:00:50Brian Atlasguy a guy didn't want to be in a a room alone with a woman because he had a fear of woman because of a previous bad experience would that be
09:01:02Brian Atlassexism wait I don't know if you're I don't know if you'll find that compelling but so like a woman did something to him no he heard okay he heard stories of women falsely accusing men of a crime
09:01:16Brian Atlasand for this reason he doesn't want to be in a room alone with her with any women is that sexist I don't know that's I don't know I didn't I wasn't sure if
09:01:24Brian Atlasyou would bite on that um I don't know how else to tackle this to be honest
09:01:34Brian Atlasum it is kind of like sexist in and of itself to say like like wouldn't it be sexist to be to say like you can't be racist towards black people like that would be racist
09:01:47Eric Hutchinsin and of itself right yeah it's like when Joe Biden said if you're not black if you don't vote for me you're not black and no and mad black people wasn't offended that was racist as hell you know what I'm saying to say that that you have the audacity to say that so I
09:01:59Eric Hutchinsthink this is a very simple basic concept and the fact that you're fighting it to death is like I'm not saying that it's not for lack of better words a form of
09:02:09Andrea Johnsonracism what I'm saying is that based on the definition that that I know technically technicalities it's not but I used I
09:02:19Brian Atlasused your definition so in a scenario where there's a company that's predominated by women the women hold the power in the
09:02:31Brian Atlascompany and they're refusing to hire a a male janitor because he's a male how would that not
09:02:40Brian Atlasbe sex eat and meet your definition of sexism because because you have the two you have the two uh criteria Power Plus Prejudice are they prejudiced yes do
09:02:53Brian Atlasthey have power yes yeah but in the the the overarching landscape of things they don't have the power they have the power in the what system so I'll even okay so I'll even
09:03:04Brian Atlasuse your word systemic power which system are we talking about there's multiple there's different kinds of systems right so like let's say a a major corporation that has 100,000
09:03:16Brian Atlasemployees is that a system sure yeah yeah what about the university system is that a system yeah okay okay now let's assume in the University
09:03:27Brian Atlassystem it's like all women who someh they get control of the University system and now that they have control over admissions they refuse to like
09:03:39Andrea Johnsonallow men into University would this be sexism I would say yes just because they
09:03:48Andrea Johnsonhave the power to O they all had the power but it's affecting many people huh it's affecting many people so well
09:04:00Toni Jthey're just like refusing to allow in what school you went to you went you went to college right yeah what college you right wait yeah what she a master do you have a master master I have a master but I think she
09:04:13Brian Atlassaid she had a master I think there's this I'm what's that saying about like you have to be this educated I don't know um
09:04:23Brian Atlaswhat's that chat what's that saying what's that say I need a drink double shot okay uh so wait would in that uh really quick in that example
09:04:36Brian AtlasI just provided would you grant that that would be sexist yes a little we made it somewhere we finally
09:04:47Brian Atlasmade it somewhere congratulations but but the society the society is still a patriarchy is it still sexist but these women control this specific
09:04:59Brian Atlassystem so they're still in the US or yeah there it's in the United States so there's still a patriarchy there's yeah still a patriarchy Donald Trump's president but all the women in the are
09:05:11Brian Atlasyou familiar with the university the UC system yeah yeah the UC system just like somehow women get control in the UC system here in California uh and they're refusing to allow men to enroll in
09:05:23Brian AtlasUniversity is that sexism okay I will say this that now I answer the question first then say that I I'll allow you to say it but
09:05:32Andrea Johnsonanswer the question first then say it based on the definition that I know of no but I would say that it is a
09:05:41Unknownsexist act wait it's a what wait it's a what sexist act a sexist okay you've just
09:05:51Tira Hos / Hannah Recardintroduced verbage different here just I got a 2our drive no because you guys are kind of going back and forth and I really genuinely feel like just
09:06:02Eric Hutchinsverbage difference it's a huge difference words matter cuz if you y y' all I'm not and I'm not saying that they don't but I'm just saying say but let's be let's let's be grown let's be real
09:06:12Eric Hutchinshere everybody gave off their beautiful educational credentials can you go to your professor and change the definition or is it what the [ __ ] he asked you to do yes or no what is that or no if you
09:06:25Eric Hutchinsare if he said I want you to do a paper on us the the Boston Tea Party can you redefine what aspect of Boston he's talking about or redefine what flavor of
09:06:36Eric Hutchinstea he's talking about or you do you have to talk about the exact Boston Tea Party yes or no college educated women what is that famous like yes or no college educated women do you can you
09:06:48Andrea Johnsontell your professor well I was talking about New England not necessarily Boston but Foxboro what is that famous Professor was all over YouTube C massel of C she's a woman she was talking about
09:07:00Brian Atlashow black people can't be racist okay who cares about the they hold on wait wait I don't know her name so it would be a sexist act but it wouldn't be
09:07:11Andrea Johnsonsexism I can't so the color purple was a biopic huh what the color purple that was a biopic to you like that was because based on your logic like somebody could say anything I'm saying
09:07:21Eric Hutchinsthat it's sexist but in the terms of the the actual definition it can't be somebody lock the [ __ ] up yo I would hate to you on the JY because women do
09:07:33Mary Gracenot have the power is this why you've only met your girlfriend once wait repeat that like long did you catch that chat chat did
09:07:43Brian Atlasyou catch that wait so okay so you just said you just said it would be sexist but it's also not the definition of sexism let's look that up cuz we looked
09:07:55Toni Jup racism let's look up sex honestly I don't think she even knows it's just it's like I I I don't it's crazy wild I cannot believe I'm AR about this is the modern this is the
09:08:07Andrea Johnsonfeminist [ __ ] that's not even femin it has nothing to do with feminism it has nothing to do you can't mix the two thing Twisted version of [ __ ] no it has nothing to do
09:08:18Toni Jwith cuz we just gave you the definition of racism and arguing with us we to do with feminism it does it's different
09:08:26Toni Jforms of itar i f form learn learned about it as from an extremist perspective she's taking that and running with it that's what I'm saying
09:08:36Eric Hutchinsshe's an extreme there's levels of feminism you be you can be Pro black and you can be like this you can be somebody that's proud to like this what I'm saying you can be somebody that's proud
09:08:47Eric Hutchinsto be an American and then you can be a white supremist it might start from the same place but it's an extreme version of it and there's a relatable version of it most of you are talking about a
09:08:59Eric Hutchinsrelatable form of feminism she's expression which a lot of women in this world do especially America an extreme version of feminism that's beyond reason that will get somebody's life in danger
09:09:10Andrea JohnsonI don't care how soft you say it it's still as dangerous as me yelling that has nothing to do no it has those the two totally different things stop putting words in my mouth that's we just
09:09:21Eric Hutchinsgave you the definition of RAC you argue with it so what is the litness test for definition according to you a woman a woman or or or Webster's Dictionary cuz you brought up some woman
09:09:33Andrea Johnsonwe never heard of but the dictionary version don't mean [ __ ] don't mean [ __ ] what I said from the beginning was based off the definition that I learned according to that ACC you learn
09:09:45Eric Hutchinssomething wrong you learn something you know what I learned growing up in newk New Jersey that people don't look like me hate me automatically I I learned that growing up in new that yo wait can can you hold on for a second can please
09:09:56Eric Hutchinsdon't call me sweetheart whatever what's your what's your name pumpkin I'm call you don't call me cupcake okay ma'am don't call me anything not cupcake ma'am
09:10:06Eric Hutchinscupcake Miss Miss ma'am sweetie whatever what I'm saying is I grew up thinking that I grew up thinking that if I go down south cuz I live in Charlotte I'm from nework New Jersey I grew up
09:10:18Eric Hutchinsthinking that if you live under the Mason Dixon line most people in rural America are racist that's what I was taught but my experience showed me that that's a lie so once new information
09:10:30Eric Hutchinscomes into my life what mature people do is discard the nonsense and stick to what matters what immature people do is stick to something ideological because
09:10:40Andrea Johnsonit affirms their feelings that's what children do you're grown as hell excuse me because what I just said is based on that definition that those things are
09:10:50Unknown Femalecorrect say I'm over this for like 45 minutes I didn't and it's not going to change it's just what it is think that we're we're getting any I don't think
09:11:01Eric Hutchinsthat we're getting anywhere with this with this conversation I think that we're just say had a 2our drive back me too sweetheart I got to I'm tired [ __ ] we
09:11:13Tira Hos / Hannah Recardget it we get it we you know women women can do no wrong I just hate to be on trial and a jur let's just not be calling each other names or you know we can have like a respectful conversation
09:11:25Toni JI called The Sweetheart he called he called every even when I was mad at him he called sweetheart oh no I wasn't talking about this I wasn't talking about thiswe people lives really
09:11:36Toni Jget messed up with this type of thinking like people really get jeopardized with this type of thinking he said that it was demonic thinking he didn't say she was demonic he said the way that she's thinking is demonic two different he did
09:11:48Eric Hutchinscorrect himself he yeah I said it I'm standing on that [ __ ] that that mentality is demonic cuz people can really be affected by that it's like the boy who cry wolf and when people take that rhetoric that you kicking somebody
09:12:00Eric Hutchinscan really get their life jeopardized because of that because they don't want to make a a a substantial claim on what it is at the sake of upholding this fake false feminist power that you're trying to hold that [ __ ] is Goofy as move on
09:12:13Andrea Johnsonreal quick how many times have he been on the show though first time first time first time let me say something because when you asked me all of these questions it was based off of my definition
09:12:23Eric Hutchinscorrect sure I recognize that that is what Google or wherever you looked up the definition says so who has the power to Define it just is what it is who has the power to Define in this world who what what systems have the power to
09:12:37Eric HutchinsDefine I'm asking when you was in college what who had the power to define words when you were actually doing your reports and and papers were you were you allowed to just
09:12:48Eric Hutchinstake any ambiguous definition from any Tom Dick and Harry were there were there specific sources that you had to site when you did your work yes or no of
09:12:59Eric Hutchinscourse it came from what the about today so what are you talking about today just say I don't mess with men like that and I I'll accept that but don't hit me with that [ __ ] we are
09:13:10Brian Atlasdon't call her sweetheart oh I'm sorry how how dare I how how dare you what what should he call you nothing just don't call me anything oh or call me by
09:13:21Brian Atlasmy name call you it like what do you want okay I'm move on sort of kind of wait does this really quick does this also apply to hate
09:13:30Brian Atlascrimes like let's say um good question when it comes to your definition of sexism right like would would like uh if a black person like could a black person
09:13:42Andrea Johnsoncommit a hate crime against a white person no that's different the okay so yeah just yes they can yes a hate crime could be committed against anyone okay
09:13:52Brian Atlasfair fair enough uh final thing here final thing here uh I so it's uh I wrote
09:14:02Brian AtlasIt's not straight for a man to date a trans woman and then you to disagreed
09:14:14Andrea JohnsonJes okay I disagreed because a trans woman is now a woman so you disagreed too for a man to date a trans woman he's he's straight I
09:14:26Toni JI don't think we're gonna change anyone's opinion who holds to hold that to be a to be a belief right but like she was saying there's a
09:14:37Tira Hos / Hannah Recardbiological yes yes science yes right how however I do think that
09:14:45Tira Hos / Hannah Recardif if you alter yourself mhm to be a woman and you believe in your heart of hearts that that is the right path for you I believe that that's perfect for
09:14:57Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthem here's the thing it doesn't matter because I'm it it has nothing to do with me why should I yuck someone else's yum that's my thing let me ask you a
09:15:07Eric Hutchinsquestion if I have a pet pitbull right and I think he's I think she's hot and I think my pitb hold on I got a pitbull I have a pitbull I have a pet pitbull
09:15:18Eric Hutchinsright hypothetically if I have a pet pitbull that identifies as a girl pit oh my God no that that that I identify as a woman if I have sex with a pitbull
09:15:28Brian Atlasis that beastiality or am I with a woman P that P is not is is they can't make that decision oh yeah yeah I we can't talk about this right it's it's like YouTube dos to like talk about bity and
09:15:41Brian Atlasbut here let me uh thei the prior question though is like so okay a transom is a woman do you agree with that yes transwoman is a woman yes can I actually say something cuz I actually think oh one second let me just ask this
09:15:53Brian Atlasquestion um and I think both of you actually said no uh you didn't disagree with this but would it be wrong for a man to refuse to date a trans woman
09:16:04Brian Atlasbecause she's trans I see you going with this that's no that's that's his price okay but you do think uh that it would be a man dating a trans woman you
09:16:17Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddo think it's straight I do believe that it's straight because that they are now a woman and I know that that triggers a lot of trigger that that triggers a lot people are they female they're not
09:16:30Eric Hutchinsbiologically female they're non-biologically female but they're a woman see this is my issue with extreme feminism because it ultimately takes us does it do what does it do to you if
09:16:40Eric Hutchinssomeone you listen I'm not trying to convince you I'm talking to the people when my problem with extreme feminism is is ultimately taking man and woman away
09:16:51Eric Hutchinsfrom nature it's taking us away from natural understanding and natural phenomenon just to fit a narrative to make people feel empowered at the expense of natural in nature and natural
09:17:02Eric Hutchinssituation it just doesn't make sense you a guy that likes guys you're just gay what's wrong with just being gay what's wrong with a woman who likes women she's just gay you're not a man and she's not a woman has nothing to do with the
09:17:13Andrea Johnsonsexual orientation of it it has to do with how it has to do with chromosomes a man and a woman is just a label that we created female versus male is actually inter so what makes me different from you besides take away the label man and
09:17:27Eric Hutchinswoman take away the label of man and woman am I different from you AB yes why um why am I different from you what makes me different from you many things
09:17:38Andrea Johnsonlike what reproduc your personality no besides no physical stuff reproducing you're taller you're uh likely have male parts what's a male
09:17:50Tira Hos / Hannah Recardpart A P you're a male what's a male biologically versus okay here don't save her don't save her let her finish I had made a I had made a point that you
09:18:02Tira Hos / Hannah Recardkind of ran over and that's interex people who are born interex that does happen and that's when teses are inside of basically where like like women can
09:18:13Tira Hos / Hannah Recardbe born with Tes an anomaly yes but what we're you're saying isal you're you're saying nature versus and my argument is nurture versus nature
09:18:24Tira Hos / Hannah Recardright this entire like back and forth that we've had that being said there are plenty of circumstances in nature where that go against your your rule for
09:18:34Tira Hos / Hannah Recardexample of course a lot of anomalies no not not not anomalies just within hedgehogs for example Hedgehog no no no no no I know people are going to be laughing here are but here just a PO is
09:18:46Tira Hos / Hannah Recardabout power it's all about power no it's not about power it's something that that I think you just feel threatened right now very Threat by who you she's talking I'm not not threaten sweetheart at all
09:18:58Tira Hos / Hannah Recardnot in the least this is can can we finish we hedgehogs will have sex with other men in in with other male hedgehogs hedgehogs
09:19:09Tira Hos / Hannah Recardhedgehogs no no no no hedgehogs are observed in nature plenty of C plenty of times to be homosexual we also have kodo dragons that can reproduce Dragon Koto
09:19:21Eric Hutchinsdragons trying to compare ourselves to no no no no no no the this y'all would go to prove these points is just silly no because you're saying nature things that are found Happ okay so let me so so if you're a business owner right it's
09:19:34Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthe same argument that people say that being gay isn't natural there's plenty of circumstances where in nature where other animals that have no consciousness
09:19:42Tira Hos / Hannah Recardof our like ours who don't care about politics are C so a line is political so most animals are political no I would say that no animals are political only humans so what about the animals that are that deal with men male and female
09:19:56Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthey're political or that's just being their themselves y'all sound crazy as hell no no no okay what I'm saying is articulation does not equate to intelligence your argument is things in
09:20:08Eric Hutchinsnature should like should for the most part okay so now you're saying for the I mean because that's reality if you're a business owner let me give you an example you have a business right right right now Brian has a a dope podcast if
09:20:20Eric Hutchinshe realizes that most of his subscribers are from uh America and he has a little bit in Africa is he's going to focus his
09:20:30Eric Hutchinsbusiness plan towards America I do got some or I'm just for example you're going to focus your business on where you're thriving the most you're not going to ignore this thriving uh Market
09:20:41Eric Hutchinsof people purchasing your product just to focus on 12 people over here if you did that in business it would be stupid but in these conversations because it's about being right not making really real
09:20:52Eric Hutchinssense y'all would focus on the small minority abnormal anomaly just to win an argument that [ __ ] is petty as hell and just because you can articulate it
09:21:03Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddoesn't mean it's intelligence or logic or reason it just sounds very good speaking well does not mean you know what you're talking about there there is logic and there is reason cannot make life why are you
09:21:15Tira Hos / Hannah Recardbashing her to make your point exactly and and and the other thing is why are we even talking about this on a dating podcast it was
09:21:25Tira Hos / Hannah Recardon hold on why are we talking about whe like half of these topics on a dating podcast other than are very related to
09:21:36Brian Atlasother we're talking about homosexuality in nature that is what my point was is that it does happen in nature anyway look okay fine I'll bring it back relationship so my my question like
09:21:47Brian Atlasfirst was like about well uh is it wrong if a guy doesn't because this is something that comes up and I've heard something like trans activist say yeah it actually is transphobic if a uh CIS I
09:21:59Brian Atlashate that [ __ ] word but sis male refuses to date a transgender woman I don't think that's anybody's position here but the the secondary question is well is it
09:22:10Andrea Johnsonstraight and I don't think it is I actually want to to get to to my point sure go I think if you consider them a woman if you consider her a woman and
09:22:21Andrea Johnsonyou are a male yeah then you are still straight if you consider that person a male still uh that uh sorry a man if the indiv still Yes okay then you are not
09:22:34Andrea Johnsonstraight I'll let you come in I got I will leave that up to the man in the relationship okay relationship yeah no one else can decide whether he is straight or homosexual other than him I'm going to
09:22:46Brian Atlasgive you a hypothetical here to test the logic so let's say there's outside party who are privy to the nature of this
09:22:55Brian Atlassexual relationship so if you if you well I don't know maybe asking you isn't the best idea but like let's say we could like we got binoculars and we
09:23:05Brian Atlaswe're being [ __ ] voyers and I see a trans woman who still has a
09:23:16Brian Atlaspenis having um what's uh getting having uh anal sex with another
09:23:28Tira Hos / Hannah Recardmale how would this not just defin how would it not be homosexual why do you think so much about other people's genitals that's my
09:23:37Brian Atlasquestion a why why are you thinking so much about other he's asking for I think about I think about large labia occasionally I think about that but I don't frankly I don't think about
09:23:50Brian Atlasthis I mean that's a great way to try to like obfuscate like try to move away from the actual argument that's being had so why don't you engage with the actual argument instead of just like trying to divert the conversation I
09:24:02Andrea Johnsonunderstand your argument but I would also say that a woman a a biological woman and a male could also participate in anal sex I could wear a strap and I could strap a man okay so hold on he's
09:24:14Andrea Johnsonnot a man if you let you do that sweetheart opion that's your opinion to your own opion but I'm just saying that
09:24:23Brian Atlaspossibility so okay um so just to be clear um here's here's the scenario so um Can a transgender woman who you you
09:24:34Brian Atlassay that's a woman is she still a woman if she has identifies woman hold on if she has a penis is she still a is she she's a woman right yeah she identifies as a woman she identifies so but she has
09:24:45Brian Atlasa penis right MH okay but she's she's also not uh well it's still a male you'll grant me that correct hold on
09:24:55Brian Atlasyeah yeah but so transgender woman still male right okay so when we say homosexual we mean what will you grant me will you grant me
09:25:06Brian Atlasthis homosexual is a same seex relationship agree mhm okay so you've just conceded the argument a male and a male having sex is homosexual she identifies as a does well
09:25:19Brian Atlasno we're we're not talking about gender we're talking about sex right so you would agree that these a transgender woman has not changed her sex correct correct homosexual means
09:25:31Brian Atlassame seex relationship based on what definition you can argue that they've changed their gender but you could never argue that they've changed their sex correct correct but I I would so if that's the
09:25:44Tira Hos / Hannah Recardcase they would be in a homosexual relationship correct that's your opinion not my opion if someone if someone someone identifies as being you know someone if
09:25:55Tira Hos / Hannah Recardsomeone says no I view them as a woman and they are my partner you you just going around and calling them gay what is that accomplishing I don't think they're talk
09:26:07Tira Hos / Hannah Recardabout my thing is this what are what is this conversation my question is this if a guy wants to have sex with someone who's trans he's going to and he's not going to care what any of us at this table think we get we get it but we we
09:26:19Eric Hutchinsgot we got you don't have a child I have I have a daughter so I care with what people think you know without without law in the order we need we need civil we need things to be conclusive to have a a firm civilization if we if we took
09:26:30Eric Hutchinsy'all logic and applied it to everything we would be in utter [ __ ] because I can say hey professor you told me I got a f but I really think this is a this is
09:26:41Eric Hutchinsa a cuz I identify this F as a a would that logic make sense in that scenario yes or no no why not I identify this failed report card as they passing great
09:26:53Andrea Johnsonis that failed report card a living breathing being no maybe maybe we should look it up but sexuality is how you identify yourself correct no that's what they told you and y r with the [ __ ] look
09:27:04Brian Atlasso I'm even so just for the sake of the argument hold on just for the sake of the argument I'm willing to grant that there's a I don't actually believe this but I'll Grant it for the sake of being
09:27:14Brian Atlascharitable uh I'll even grant that that sex and gender are different I'll even Grant it I'll Grant it that your gender can change you can identifi you can be a
09:27:25Brian AtlasTR like you can identify as a woman I'll Grant it for the sake of the argument but you already conceded that these people are not changing their sex and do you concede this too I I didn't
09:27:37Tira Hos / Hannah Recardsay anything actually oh well let me ask you also then I didn't say anything let me ask you yeah yeah that's fine so a transgender woman is she male or female I believe that she is ma she is female
09:27:49Brian Atlasshe is female a trans wait oh boy oh wait can I sorry I'm actually really