00:56:20Toni Jgoing away and we're slowly going back to kind of the modest now men you know hey you need to cover up it's not only fans Is Not Great anymore you know different things like that I think you guys don't realize like you guys do
00:56:32Sinead Barrettchange and things do shift with what you guys like as well it it does shift I want to mention something too um I think both races feed into uh you know stuff
00:56:43Sinead Barrettlike that porn only fans genders I me genders my both races both genders feed into that type of stuff cuz the guys buy it um they eg it on you know um and
00:56:55Sinead Barrettgirls want to dress a certain way you know to look a certain way for men to get men's validations um I I believe both genders just play a role in
00:57:07Unknownthat well we'll come right back to Ka are donated $200 yeah thank you Wednesday was so bad Brian brought only classy ladies on tonight how am I going
00:57:17Unknownto roast this table later dude I'll have to roast the guys Eric I'm from NJ too the good part though not newk not newk you mean the soft part yo Kaiser thank
00:57:30Brian Atlasyou man nobody here does nobody here does only fans correct no or in the past no never done only fans shout out to y'all nobody okay hey no no only fans girls on the panel there you go all
00:57:42Sinead Barrettright um You did you have more did you want to resp say one more thing I'm sorry um I also think that whatever women like whatever they wear and put
00:57:53Sinead Barrettout is the type of feedback in men of what they will get in return um if I'm posting you know half naked pictures all the time I'm going to probably get nastier men if that makes sense um I
00:58:05Sinead Barrettfeel like moderation uh and just I feel like being more covered up is more sexier than um just having everyone see what you
00:58:15Sinead Barrettalready have um that's more of like a in int intimacy moment more in the bedroom uh more energy is put into the bedroom as well and instead of trying to get
00:58:27Kayla Hardyvalidation through different men not even your own partner I will add um dressing more provocatively on Instagram you attract more male followers rather than women you know and like you were
00:58:38Kayla Hardysaying if we're living more masculine than feminine because of the way we have to work and everything we're going to want to maybe make money off of them and we attract them I think that's a sorry
00:58:50Sinead BarrettI'm so sorry I think that's a discipline thing where that's just fast money it's easy money um I'm out here a waitress in a barista working two jobs also going to
00:59:00Sinead Barrettschool fulltime um I living honestly I'm completely satisfied with my life I'm already okay with what I have I think a lot of people um especially in today's
00:59:12Sinead Barrettmoderation or today's society I think people are just bored and they always want what's next what's better what's new instead of trying to um go through situations with your partner in like
00:59:24Sinead Barrettlast forever you know guys do guys Tippy more as a waitress uh they do yes um so it's kind of the same thing like guys 100% on Instagram but I don't dress or you know I don't dress a
00:59:36Sinead Barrettcertain way I I work at a Mexican restaurant it's a family restaurant but I mean I think that's just the way that men are biologically made um you know they're you're going to get tipped more
00:59:48Mary Graceif you're a pretty girl um if you're a handsome boy girls are going to tip you more but I agree with everything you said to be quite honest
00:59:57Mary Gracebecause a traditional Archy of a what a man is and not act like an archetype of
01:00:07Mary Gracea female in that balanced dynamic in a relationship so if that is what you desire which I I think it is that's what you've expressed you know that's the
01:00:17Mary Gracedynamic that you look forward to I think it's completely valid to find a like-minded individual that Honors that
01:00:26Mary Gracebut women cannot complain if they're going on Instagram tits out tongues out and saying like but why is nobody nobody's taking care of me my man isn't
01:00:38Andrew Wilsonmy My Savior My Money Maker it's not going to happen you can't have your cake and eat it too what about the phenomenon of the chameleon so the chameleon being
01:00:48Andrew Wilsona woman who did all of that for many years or something like this then puts on the sundress and then effects also to get that that archetype which you're talking about the traditional male masculine archetype what are you guys'
01:01:02Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthoughts there um well I had one other thought that I wanted to add to the previous statement and we're all talking about
01:01:11Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwhat men like on a girl's Instagram or girls put on a girl's Instagram for men but I think we're also neglecting what women put on Instagram for other women
01:01:23Tira Hos / Hannah Recardso the amount of women I am one of those girls who I get significant more validation if a girl comments on my post than what a guy
01:01:34Tira Hos / Hannah Recardcomments on my post and there's a difference between I think posting like maybe slightly
01:01:42Tira Hos / Hannah Recardrevealing but in through the female gaze versus male gaze and I don't think men understand that that D like the female gays versus the male gays but us girlies
01:01:53Eric HutchinsI think we understand the female gays vers the male gay no I'm glad you said that because I think one of y'all was saying how I think you said how um women are dressed in a certain way for the men
01:02:05Eric Hutchinsbut like she said they're not a lot of women are dressing for other women even on even like they say I'm not or they're dressing like that for themselves well I'm not dressing like this for you so it's like a lot of men don't want that like they you see a lot of interviews
01:02:18Eric Hutchinswhere they go on the street and they ask men so what you like weave or you like natural hair nine out of 10 times men are going to say natural hair but women think men want weave women think men want bbls and all that it's like they're
01:02:29Eric Hutchinsnot really listening to men and the only men that they're listening to are men that's on television and and in these small sectors of these guys that are athletes where you know they have exuberance amounts of money and they're
01:02:42Eric Hutchinsthinking that those guys appetite is the appetite of the everyday man and it's not and they conflate the two cuz I feel like a lot of women are more in tune with um mainstream perspective than real men's perspective and like you said
01:02:55Eric Hutchinswomen are dressing for other women they're not even thinking about men but they still want those those men to honor them or look at them but they're not
01:03:03Tira Hos / Hannah Recardtaking to account men's perspective at all but to talk on that note as well not every you know you said oh like a a you
01:03:14Tira Hos / Hannah Recardcompared us to like to lions like uh in a horde and I would say not every single one of those Lions wants to be hunted
01:03:23Tira Hos / Hannah Recardand so it's hard for you guys to find who who wants to be in a relationship but some of us you know if I were to break up with my partner or he was to break up with me tomorrow I wouldn't be
01:03:36Tira Hos / Hannah Recardout looking for a new one that's just not my personality type if you don't add anything to to my life than like substantial like whether that's joy
01:03:45Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlaughter whatever um I I don't need you there and I I'm so fulfilled in my life outside of my relationship that I think for me a relationship ship can only add
01:03:56Tira Hos / Hannah Recardto it and so sometimes girls like we get our nails done for other girls to compliment we don't always get our nails done for a guy to compliment they're not going to notice if you highlighted your hair they're not going to notice if you
01:04:07Eric Hutchinsgot your nails done those tiny little things are for the girls and a lot of women just are not interested and I'm and we know and that's why men are acting the way they're acting because
01:04:20Eric Hutchinsanother thing I I think people don't understand that this perspective of a lot of men are are reflect of a certain age group I'm 39 so when we speak cuz I
01:04:30Eric Hutchinsfeel like there's a a My Generation went to a specific um experience as far as dealing with the opposite sex and it gets even more nuanced when it comes to race and we're dealing with women that
01:04:43Eric Hutchinsare dealing with collateral damage of things that they really didn't have nothing to do with men had to go through that too like when I was younger I'm tall I'm dark skinn I got a deep voice so it's easy for somebody to it's easy for me to deal with the collateral
01:04:54Eric Hutchinsdamage of people from my neighborhood or people that may look at me it's not it's not fair but it's it's reality so women are dealing with collateral damage of previous generations and what they did or How They Carried their s so a lot of
01:05:07Eric Hutchinsyoung women were like well I didn't do that they've grown up in a world where feminism has already taken place and control women and men so it's a lot of y'all may not have ever done none of these things that we're talking about cuz from the conversation y'all sing
01:05:19Eric Hutchinslike very classy women like I I appreciate y mind y y cool but a lot of y'all dealing with stuff that your older generation did and the older men are saying we're not dealing with this anymore because we seen women say one
01:05:31Eric Hutchinsthing and do something else and even when like you said when it comes to hunt you said the hunting Lions a lot of times it's not even about trying to get her to be your girlfriend I've seen situations where women just people I
01:05:43Eric Hutchinsthink men and women don't know how to just be friends anymore like every time a man is talking to you he not trying to get your number he's not trying to get he just passing the time like if I go to a lounge or something the music is whacked so it's not like nobody dancing
01:05:56Eric Hutchinsanymore so I'm going talk I've seen situations when I have a nice conversation with a woman very classy just real lighthearted hey what you into hey what you like to eat oh I went there just like her friend will come oh I don't you don't know him why you talking
01:06:08Eric Hutchinsto him get away from him and she'll say oh don't worry about her that type of thing you know what I'm saying it's like if you want men to respect you respect them and stop assuming every man that's talking to you is just trying to get
01:06:20Eric Hutchinsinto you don't know what people are going through sometimes a man just to see a pretty woman just want to have a conversation with her just to boost his day and he just go on about his you ever I know women y'all went to went to Club sometimes the man just compliment you got gave you a drink and you never seen
01:06:32Eric Hutchinshim again for the rest of the night men we do that we're not just one track minded we cool we like to do stuff for you but this mentality of women is just so off-putting that I think by the time they really start to talk to men they're
01:06:43Tira Hos / Hannah Recardso turned off by not necessarily what they've done but what their constituents have done I I completely understand what you're saying I think from that
01:06:52Tira Hos / Hannah Recardperspective though it's like you can talk to me however and I'm perfectly okay talking to a a man and it not being
01:07:03Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlike um a romantic situation or feeling threatened but sometimes when we see our girls being talked to by a man we don't we don't know what the conversation is we don't know what's going on between
01:07:14Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthem and maybe you get a little heady first because you're concerned for her cuz you never know you know there is the whole man and the bear argument and you just never know but that but that but
01:07:24Eric Hutchinsthat's to me that's a problem because to me that's a a side effect of the assumed mentality of today that men are a threat to me I would like to add I don't really think it's assumed only because like as
01:07:38Unknown Femalewomen that's something like I could say probably every woman at this table has been through so it's not really assumed it's just like we genuinely have been through it ourselves so it's like it's not that we mean to be protective but like it does happen so like we should
01:07:51Eric Hutchinsprotect each other you know but it's never what you do it's how you do it in other words if I'm talk I'm sorry if I'm talking to my man if my man is at the club right and he's talking to a woman and she and he looks comfortable he
01:08:03Eric Hutchinsdon't seem I'm not going to say hey bro what are you doing get away from her like that's weird if you see your girl if she's not she's not being touch this is a public setting it's not like we're in someone's house we're in a public
01:08:15Eric Hutchinssetting there's security guards and she's talking to a man laughing and being pleasurable you can just come by and say hey what y'all talking about now to come with your your guns blade that's something totally different well
01:08:27Unknown Femaleapproach definitely matters about [ __ ] blocking I want to say approach definitely matters but I do think that like that's something I would never I was going to say I would never if I think something's wrong I would still say something and I might not approach
01:08:40Unknown Femalethem like what are you doing cuz I also don't know like you might be trying to date them I'm not trying to screw you up either but I do still feel like a girl should definitely go protect the other girl you know what saying but it's how you do it and but but the thing is it's
01:08:52Eric Hutchinsjust assumed that something can go wrong because if we in a club we sitting this space between us I'm just talking to us you talking to me we grown no one's being hurt so just to assume that I have to come and save her it's like it's like I it's how you
01:09:05Eric Hutchinsdo it like the way y'all explained it that's cool hey I'm just checking on my cuz some going to say that hey I'm cool I'm just checking on my friend making sure she good honest understand sweetheart but some women come who is this why you talking to him it's like why you got to talk like see I feel like okay this is going to sound kind of mean
01:09:18Unknown Femaleum I feel like when women do that it's usually cuz they're jealous of them other girl that they're talking to I don't really think it's necessarily like they're protecting them they're actually just jealous that their friend has a man absolutely so it's always what it's never what you do is how you do it's all
01:09:31Unknownabout how how you go about it like attention attention is everything agreed cool donated $200 thank you co ID earlier about men curious to the music women listens to makes sense when you
01:09:43Brian Atlasthink of it did we did that come up earlier he brought up a video I said the music listen to and all that you want to say something
01:09:52Andrea Johnsonoh no I was just kind of going to piggy back off of what she said um just that you know as a woman we have to take our safety into consideration so I I think it's really important to check on your
01:10:05Eric Hutchinsfriend to check on yourself but I agree with what you said about it's about the tone and how you approach it yeah because the more classy you women just one thing that women it seems like you
01:10:16Eric Hutchinsguys fig it figured it out your femininity and your softness is a strength it's not a weakness and I think a lot of time this modern um world has
01:10:25Eric Hutchinsmade women feel like being soft is is a weakness and they try to replicate actual manly energy and call that feminism feminism to me should be
01:10:36Eric Hutchinssomething where we stand up for being soft women to me that's feminism but when I hear a lot of women talk and explain feminism it's like you just want to be a man there's nothing feminine about that at all so the soft approach there always weirdos there's always
01:10:49Eric Hutchinsexception to the rule who takes that as just an advance to just go crazy but most men will act yes to the softness of a woman and a lot of times if women just keep that approach that's actually a
01:11:00Brian Atlassuperpower that they can use a lot more often than they don't but it seems like y' you you guys have it mastered all right uh well we can come
01:11:10Brian Atlasback to that in a little bit uh I uh how about this last thing on on this sort of this topic um do you think it's fair like if a woman isn't traditional so
01:11:22Brian Atlaskind of related to how she dresses if she doesn't dress tra traditional the guy shouldn't pay for the first dat is that a fair proposition I feel like clothes have nothing to do with that being traditional so like you're ass out
01:11:33Unknown Femaleyou're wearing a hooker's uniform I just feel like a man would pay either way and go about his day and never talk to her again if she was wearing veing clothes like I'm still going to be a man I'm still going to pay I want to talk that might happen I guess the question is
01:11:45Andrea Johnsonmore so should did the man see her photos before they went on the date because if he did then if he asked her out pay for it that's different you kind of knew what you're getting into well if
01:11:57Eric HutchinsI if I say if I say if I you don't dress like that and then you show up like that I might leave because don't even sit down and eat you don't even have to pay now that's what I'm saying like you show up looking like that I might leave
01:12:08Eric Hutchinsbecause women don't realize when you dress like that you put a Man In Harm's Way because somebody might cat call somebody might grab you and he going to have to do something he could lose his life defending you cuz you want to come
01:12:20Eric Hutchinsoutside looking crazy you know what I'm saying so it's not just about controlling you it's about keeping civilization all right you know what I'm saying women got to stop dressing so crazy men men are very aggressive man
01:12:31Eric Hutchinslike you don't it's like walking around a cave of lions with meat hanging off you are you going to be mad at the lions like that's their nature not saying that men are just wild uncontrollable beast
01:12:42Eric Hutchinsbut it's like mental health is real today as you know people are out of their minds the Littest thing can take them over the top cover yourself up it's a lot of lonely men a lot of depressed
01:12:54Eric Hutchinsmen you walking around with just a group of women with your whole body exposed is dangerous and it's also dangerous for the men in your life cuz they got to put their life on the line to protect you from something that was extremely
01:13:06Andrea Johnsonpreventable I do want to say I think it's kind of ridiculous to say that it's that's their nature to be that way because if you are you know a a I don't
01:13:17Andrea Johnsonwant to say normal if you're a grownup human being and you don't have any type of mental illness or you know something like that that shouldn't be your nature are you talking about men I actually think that's men's women it doesn't
01:13:30Eric Hutchinsmatter like if someone using them as the nature I'm saying reacting to your sexuality as a nature not not being crazy that's not your nature it is it is a I would say that it's someone's natur
01:13:41Eric HutchinsInstinct it's a man's nature to react to a woman's cat um sexuality like like y'all just said when I dress provocatively what happens more men subscribe right so if I was in a tight dress and I came in here would you
01:13:53Andrea Johnsonnaturally cat call me no I didn't say cat CAU but I would look but you said that was in their nature looking is way different than being cat called or touching you know what I'm saying C cat
01:14:04Eric HutchinsC whatever word you want to use it is in a man's nature to address your sexuality whether it be extremely or whether it be subtly it is his nature to respond to your Sexual Energy cuz I was going to
01:14:17Unknown Femalesay like even if you look into like not to compar us to like literal animals but if you look at animals the men will always go to the woman like it's just in their nature
01:14:27Eric Hutchinswomen just like it's in a woman's nature to acquest to his Prosperity am I going to say that a woman is wrong for that no if you're out here showing that you got that bread you can't be mad when women
01:14:39Eric Hutchinswant to see okay would you spend some on me hey I would like that sir that's they that's women's nature women are hypergamous and men are visual creatures that's just life and I think the modern time we so caught up in people's
01:14:50Eric Hutchinsfeelings that we disregard science and biology some things are just what they are and you could fight with it all you want but it's only going to be at your own Peril um you said that you're
01:15:00Tira Hos / Hannah Recardreligious right no I'm spiritual spiritual so um my thing to a lot of men who use spirituality or religion as a
01:15:11Tira Hos / Hannah Recardway to say well this is just in our nature this is what we're supposed to do it says in pretty much because all of the connected religions so that would be
01:15:21Eric HutchinsCatholicism Christianity Judaism I mean to but I say not science and biology I didn't say religion okay um my mine is just like a little thought off of that go ahead um all of these connected
01:15:34Tira Hos / Hannah Recardreligions including you know Christianity Catholicism Islam Judaism um it says directly in the text that if a man cannot look away or if he must
01:15:44Andrew Wilsonreact to a woman and how she is dressed that he should gouge out his eyes would it also says that women are to dress modestly it it does and that and that women are to acquas
01:15:55Andrew Wilsonto Andress modestly as a acquest to men but is modestly maybe that can be subjective right there's no definition for what because
01:16:08Andrew Wilsonthere's Specific Instructions like covering your head at church not wearing men's clothing there's all sorts of different actual uh especially in Islam Islam is very much uh very hyp specific
01:16:19Andrew Wilsonon dress codes but so is Christianity and U for instance Orthodox Christianity has roughly 2,000 years of dress code enforcement when it comes to church and how people are supposed to dress not dress and what the standard for modesty
01:16:32Andrew Wilsonis it's set down from an ecclesiastical Authority so it's not like these things are unclear right do we have photos or is it just kind of descriptions though like it is to a certain extent no it's descriptive like you have your dress
01:16:45Andrew Wilsonmust cover X and you must have a head covering when you're doing X thing and yeah it's it's very very very specific it's not something which is I understand what you're saying you're saying this can be subjective so this could be up to what does modest mean my version of
01:16:59Andrew Wilsonmodesty your version of modesty you're going to be two different things that argument would work I think in this case except for the fact that we have such very clear descriptors so in this case we just have very clear descriptors
01:17:09Andrew Wilsoninside of these religions what modesty is and what the ethical foundations for that are and why it's done but what about translated texts because the Bible wasn't written in English the Bible is
01:17:20Andrew Wilsonone of the most the Bible is one of the most hyp specifically translated text in human history it's been gone over by every scholar on planet Earth multiple times we we know exactly what it says
01:17:31Andrew Wilsonwhy it says it we know uh going all the way back to uh the original Council of NAA and before that exactly what the intents were because they wrote them down we have thousands of religious Scholars who all agree on what these
01:17:43Andrew Wilsontexts say this is not there there isn't any other text on planet Earth which has been more well studied and researched the biblical text nothing well it is well studied and it is researched but
01:17:53Andrew Wilsonthere's still plenty of people who have conflicting opinions about it well here's the thing there's a reason for this you are correct there is a reason why there are conflicting opinions but
01:18:05Andrew Wilsonthis comes from the Protestant Reformation and once you get into Personal exag Jesus you can make a Biblical text say whatever you want essentially but if you if you're talking about an actual standardized Christian
01:18:17Andrew WilsonChurch like Orthodoxy or Catholicism no that that um these are what you're talking about are called Innovations and they stay away from innovation for reason inovations are against the religious tax but these men that
01:18:29Tira Hos / Hannah Recardtypically say that they want a modest woman and that they you know can't help themselves but assault a woman if she is dressed provocatively well I think that's a very bad straw man of the position I don't think anybody said that
01:18:42Andrew Wilsonnobody said that well I'm not saying he said that but I'm am I'm saying that why would I respond to a position nobody has though you see what I'm saying can I can I inter oh go ahead hang on hang on
01:18:54Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlet's finish our exchange real quick we're almost done okay um all I was saying is that if we're talking about those men It also says in those texts that you shouldn't mix different
01:19:06Andrew Wilsontextiles it says that there's so many different rules but we're only following some of them is that these CL these clarifications are made uh via Pentecost the New Covenant there's there's
01:19:18Andrew Wilsondescriptors for exactly why these rules are are in place and not in place and these are have been endlessly gone over over 2,000 years of debate within the church multiple councils which have ruled on them this is definitely not up
01:19:30Andrew Wilsonfor interpretation as to whether or not you can mix cloths I mean that's that's been done away with since um you know since time for time for God yes but if we're talking about clothes that should be warned that have been said that they
01:19:43Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthat that this is how a woman should dress this is how a men should dress and all of these different rules that we have and more religious men are kind of saying well I'm not going to treat her well or whatever it is because of how
01:19:56Tira Hos / Hannah Recardshe's dressed or maybe that's provocative to me what are they dressed like what how are they living their life by that same religious text is it hypocritical or are they living exactly
01:20:07Andrew Wilsonhow it says well I think that they're not supposed to dress promiscuously either men aren't but when you're talking about uh male dress codes I mean for the most part to to be perfectly honest and Frank with you uh only in the
01:20:20Andrew WilsonWestern World do you see this phenomenon at all for the most part um and it has to do a lot with women's Liberation but men very much don't really dress provocatively I mean they mostly walk
01:20:31Andrew Wilsonaround completely covered head to toe most men do this the men in that room are dressed covered head to toe all of them right I am too and I'm I'm comfortable in my own basement and I'm still uh covered headed toe and one of
01:20:43Andrew Wilsonthe reasons for that is it's a matter of respect right so uh uh men also show each other respect this way um that you know and and also if you want to see what a respectable man looks like
01:20:54Andrew Wilsongenerally speaking they're not out with their flip-flops on looking you know looking terrible this type of thing that's not something which uh which we respect very much so ultimately I think
01:21:05Andrew Wilsonthat uh I I think that that's a really not a great point if you're if you're looking at men and saying well what about the standard for men's dress I just don't see this sea of men dressing provocatively
01:21:16Eric Hutchinsanywhere can yeah and I I want to say this first of all I didn't bring up religion to validate me that's why I said biology and science because people
01:21:27Eric Hutchinslove to hide behind feelings Theory and religion but let's just deal with reality you know what I'm saying because we can get lost in these interpretation even though like homie said it's very
01:21:38Eric Hutchinsclear what religion says but let's just put that to the side we have to stop speaking from these privileged positions because everybody doesn't have the life you have that can insulate you from these weird people you may have that
01:21:50Eric Hutchinslife where you have a career where you have a man where you can do what you want to do and you don't have to deal with the ramifications of what you may or may not wear but every woman in the world doesn't have that privilege so there's women that are following the Kim
01:22:02Eric HutchinsKardashians and are following this and they they're in poverty or they're they're in a neighborhood where it's not protected or they don't have a man in their life and they think they can just well we heard what she said and they go outside and get their head knocked off
01:22:14Eric Hutchinsbecause they just want to prove a point so I feel like we need to really push uh responsible messages that are more addressing the average person because we often talk from these places that
01:22:26Eric Hutchinseverybody's not at like when women talk men and women talk about this high value man and all that the average person in America is making $45 $50,000 so to keep talking about these small sectors of people and to try to understand the
01:22:38Eric Hutchinsmasses is just it not saying you are but it's just an ignorant perspective because we get so emotional in these conversation we feel like we're being attacked and it's not that we're just making we're trying to create
01:22:48Eric Hutchinsconversations that most people can uh Thrive from and I think it's just positive to tell most women protect yourself CU you may not have the father figure you may not have the the income
01:23:01Eric Hutchinswhere you can pay for this or pay for that to insulate yourself from these weird people so the only thing you really have is yourself and how you carry yourself and if you do meet somebody who's Happ to go against that and do something you'll be more
01:23:13Eric Hutchinsprotected CU they'll be like hey why you doing this to this nice young lady who doesn't bother anybody who doesn't dress crazy but if you out here on your own talking crazy and dressing crazy who's going to believe you so I feel like we
01:23:23Andrea Johnsonneed to push a M that's more incompass encompassing to the average man and woman I will say that as a woman that you shouldn't go outside necessarily
01:23:34Andrea Johnsondress provocatively especially if it's late at night or uh maybe you're in a a bad part of town or something like that right because there is a possibility
01:23:44Andrea Johnsonthat something could happen but I will also say that as a man you shouldn't you shouldn't go out and see a woman and think like oh I have the right
01:23:55Andrea Johnsonto cat call her oh I have the right to say something to her oh I have the right to touch her now because she's wearing a short dress absolutely I think we everybody here agrees with you so I mean
01:24:05Brian Atlasif somebody commits well I mean I would have to disagree a well let let me okay so I mean if somebody commits a sexual assault the only person to blame is the person who commits the sexual assault I
01:24:17Brian Atlasdon't think victims are to blame for their own sexual assault but I also do think that if you are you're putting yourself in a risky situation then you have put yourself in a risky situation
01:24:29Andrew Wilsonsure I just don't think it's right to say that's their nature you know what it I just think I think that the standard is different so the the thing is like I agree with you in the context that
01:24:40Andrew Wilsonabsolutely men shouldn't engage in any sort of bad behavior like this however I think there's a double standard applied I think that it's very common to see uh women doing unwanted touching to men constantly which is not considered essay
01:24:53Andrew Wilsonwhatsoever and it really should be like it's very common to see a man sitting on a couch for instance at a party a random woman goes by perhaps put puts her hands on his shoulders maybe rubs him a little bit walks on or or kind of puts her
01:25:05Andrew Wilsonhands on his back and kind of rubs his back things like this uh hang hang on almost hang on hang on but if we were to switch the roles right and a woman and a man were do that to a woman you'd be like wait a second that's
01:25:17Andrew Wilsontotally inappropriate this type of touching so I think that the standards I think that until the standards are not um are not adhere to as uh as being equal across the board I don't see how
01:25:28Andrew Wilsonyou could make the claim that um you know men are the the ones out here acting inappropriately it just seems like that when it comes to touching or things like this uh women kind of get a pass and men
01:25:39Brian Atlasdon't I do have to move things on here uh I want to we're going to do a react but before we do that uh going to you so
01:25:47Brian Atlasyou have BPD yeah borderline personality disorder borderline personality disorder oh no uh so in your Instagram you
01:25:58Brian Atlasdescribe yourself as mentally illst yeah and you're
01:26:11Unknown Femaleosophter for you um well it's described as the instability of moods behaviors and relationships so like that really just can flood into every area of your life really and it did for mine so it's
01:26:24Unknown Femaleplayed a part a huge part in my relationships if not the biggest part in my relationships um emotional stability just growing up just played the biggest part like I just could never I was the one crying in the classroom all the time
01:26:37Brian Atlasum I don't know I would say it's probably like if you ask me a question it's affected my life like it just has well yeah sure um but so what I guess what are uh I I know for some people it
01:26:47Brian Atlascan manifest differently it can be more extreme it can be more mild yeah um how does what I guess what are some of the symptoms for you so like fear of Abandonment is one like I haven't dated
01:26:59Unknown Femalein 2 years and I feel like maybe if I'm being 100% honest and real it might be because I'm scared of being abandoned I don't want to go through that again so I just don't do it at all so now I don't have as many relationships have you wait
01:27:10Brian Atlasyou were just on the date though I I'm trying my best wait question though like when you say dating do you mean long-term relationships like the three-year one yeah that was long term we moved in
01:27:22Brian Atlastogether I mean have you been celibate for 2 years
01:27:27Unknown Femaleno I mean but you're you're like seeing Men You're engaging in romantic or sexual relationship I would say I was seeing men the there's two men after one is I've already done that way before my
01:27:38Unknown Femaleex-boyfriend like way way before so just reconnected I was really alone went with him um and then now new said guy so okay
01:27:47Brian Atlasyeah all right um and then so you said you're the fear of abandonment um what else how how does it what are the other symptoms I guess um I guess
01:28:01Unknown Femalelike paranoia like I could just make up my own thoughts and then I'll get in my head and convince myself that it's real and then I'm like everyone's leaving me everyone hates me umh my family member just passed away like I would like can convince myself that like things are
01:28:13Brian Atlashappening they're not actually happening but once I calm down like I'm like what was that about so two question I guess um there's going to be when it comes to BPD there's going to be what's going on with you internally and then when it
01:28:25Brian Atlascomes to relationships and dating there's going to be you know there's going to be the outward manifestations of that so if somebody's dating you what
01:28:37Brian Atlascan they sort of expect in terms of already granting everything that's going on internally but there's going to be outward manifestations what does that look like like texting them and like
01:28:49Unknown Femalefreaking the [ __ ] out or how does it work so dating with BPD and honestly and most people with BPD will say this um not to assume that everyone would but it's very very common relationships are the biggest trigger so I could go so
01:29:02Unknown Femalelong without having any triggers no like emotional stuff as soon as I get in a relationship I then start to like are they doing this when I'm not there are they doing that so then I start texting them freaking out could do that um
01:29:14Unknown Femalethere's times that you can literally convince yourself that they're talking to someone else they're not and you will treat them as if they are um there's been times like not to be too real I've like even gotten so mad I've jumped out
01:29:25Unknown Femaleof a moving car before so it's like it could get there but it also can be triggered and I will stand on that like your environment is everything if you're around the wrong people it will trigger you and put yourself in the worst position ever of course take
01:29:38Unknown Femaleaccountability for my own actions put myself in the situation but I will say if it's real real bad it's usually really really triggered and they're they're trying to poke the bear like
01:29:47Unknown Femalethey are okay um and then you said you were you were a Ser serial data in the past yes so like before my threeyear relationship I was bouncing from relationship to relationship to relationship and if it wasn't a
01:30:00Unknown Femalerelationship I was at least talking to someone kind of dating but just without the label but yeah pretty much since I was like 12 I've never been out of a relationship until like 20 2 21 okay uh
01:30:12Brian Atlaswe'll maybe come back to some of that anybody else here have a diagnosis they want to reveal am I the only c unoficial one what what you got I'm just not the most patient person
01:30:24Eric HutchinsI think I think whatever diagnosis that is I'm just I think I need to work on my patients like the smallest little thing I'm out of there I think a lot of people deal with that too I think just the
01:30:34Sinead Barretttimes we in anybody uh anxiety 100% anxiety but I also don't believe mental illness I have a movement disorder a movement yeah what's it's like a like
01:30:46Mary Graceyour [ __ ] or yeah like a parkinsonian ISM oh it's it's called Donia what's what is that heard of it before like
01:30:55Mary GraceT-Rex arms yeah yeah like in the bedroom or yeah for sure uh oh um oh okay no it was from a medication I was given and I had a
01:31:08Mary Gracehorrible reaction from it oh [ __ ] and I almost died and I was in a wheelchair for years bed bound yeah for 6 months um that's not a that's not a mental illness no but it is a it's a movement disorder
01:31:20Mary Gracethat it's neurological it's a neurological disorder but you're psychological well-being affects how it manifests physically if I'm stressed if
01:31:31Mary GraceI'm sad if I'm depressed if I'm anxious if I'm inure how all what was it that's uh that's most neurological diseases though right yeah that makes sense 100%
01:31:42Mary Gracewhat what was it for I was misdiagnosed with Tourette's as a kid oh wow and then they gave you a medication and then they gave you
01:31:51Mary GraceTourette's yes yes literally just a different form damn did you
01:31:58Brian Atlassuit oh did you s yes there was a loss it there was yeah d uh we have a
01:32:07Brian Atlasuh Super Chat here what reach Greta Thanos thank you dude looked at Andrew and said homie said we have reached Peak
01:32:18Brian Atlasirony folks wait what I think we're all confusion hey uh thank you gr the Super Chat appreciate it thank you thank you all right uh we're going to before we do the react I'm going to have you pull up the twitch then we're going to do the
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01:33:07Brian Atlasdid we have to do I'm trying to remember here um what was it oh the Reddit thing yeah let's pull up the Reddit reaction thing also guys like the video like the video if you're enjoying the stream so
01:33:19Brian Atlasfar I think we have a very solid panel so far so like the video if you guys are liking the stream make it a little bigger for us who's got a good reading voice I do who got good stuttering what
01:33:30Brian Atlasabout you you got a good reading voice uh no I would not I would not make it bigger for us y' all sound good do it yeah that's good I do but I'm blind so I can do it yeah all right you do it go
01:33:41Kayla Hardyahead um so read the title uh here I'll do it my 2 there go ahead go ahead my 27 male girlfriend 22
01:33:50Kayla HardyFe no my as in as in him as in him yes he's 27 male his girlfriend 22 female of a year slept with another guy while we were taking it slow a dating oh [ __ ] did
01:34:01Kayla Hardynot me uh and then uh let's see read after it says original post read I have been with this girl I have been with this girl called Jess for close to a year now
01:34:13Kayla Hardysince specifics matter here we started dating around last Thanksgiving but it was only about a month later when we said we were in an official relationship I really liked this girl from the get-go and we've gotten really close since then
01:34:24Kayla Hardyand we were actually planning on moving together soon here's a problem recently Jess and I ran into a guide a small gtit together with mutual friends they exchanged a weird look like there was something between them but I didn't think too much of it at the time during
01:34:37Kayla Hardythe party something came up about the place Jess went to for a date the time was clear since it was a Christmas Market in my town and again I thought something was off about the guy well later that night I actually get a text
01:34:48Kayla Hardyfrom him he got my number from one of the mutual friends but said hey I don't don't know you but I thought you should know that Jess and I hooked up right after Christmas I confronted Jess about
01:34:58Kayla Hardyit and I could tell she tensed up right away she got the sad look on her face but confessed right away she said she had met this guy on Tinder and hooked up a couple of times but stopped any contact before we became official she
01:35:10Kayla Hardysaid she wasn't sure we would get into a relationship at that time but she still felt bad that I found out this way she said she considered telling me but it was afraid would it would ruin things between us I told her I needed some time
01:35:22Kayla Hardyto think and proceeded to get drunk that night and ignored her text the thing is I feel very betrayed and I am really considering ending things sure we weren't official when this happen but we had already been on multiple dates at that time and I thought it was pretty
01:35:35Kayla Hardyclear that we were moving towards a full-fledged relationship on my side I had no interest in pursuing other girls at that point because I only wanted to be with Jess and on her end she was definitely hitting at us EV evolving into a couple and strongly hitting
01:35:48Kayla Hardyhinting at exclusivity the other part that kills me is that during the stage Jess specifically said she wanted to take things slow physically until we knew each other better but during the same time she hooks up with a guy she barely
01:36:00Kayla Hardyknew from Tinder when I asked her this she said it's different because she took it slow with me specifically because she thought we would get into a relationship but it was somehow different with a casual hookup that logic makes zero
01:36:11Kayla Hardysense to me I don't really want to talk about it with my friends because I think they would hate Jess if end up staying together but I would like to hear opinions on here would you stay in a relationship like this if things were going well but the beginning was so
01:36:23Kayla Hardyshady and then read the too long didn't read just for a recap my girlfriend met up and hooked up with a guy while we were dating but not official while she was taking it slow with me okay so um
01:36:36Brian Atlaslet's have the panel's reaction there do you think valid do you think hey you know look they weren't official she can they she can do whatever she wants your position starting with you I honestly think the
01:36:48Unknown Femalewhole thing's invalid I don't even think he should be even thinking about it if a relationship starts off that way it's always going to be that way so I don't even I don't even think he should have made the Reddit post he should have just not even pursue her or talk about her
01:37:00Tira Hos / Hannah Recardyeah okay and it thinks right away okay your thoughts I think that both feelings are I think both feelings are very valid that being said it really comes down to
01:37:11Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddo you see your life without this person and if not then you know then you should be with them and if like if you can't live without them but if you can and you can't get past this then of course you should break up with them both feelings
01:37:23Tira Hos / Hannah Recardvalid how were her feelings valid because we don't we only know it from his perspective we don't we just yeah so we have to just take it at at his word exactly so we don't know exactly what
01:37:34Tira Hos / Hannah Recardshe was feeling and maybe why she didn't want to initially have sex with him versus having sex with this other guy we don't know what the relationship between them are so from just a solid outside
01:37:46Tira Hos / Hannah Recardperspective I don't think any of that really matters it matters how you feel about the person now like did that taint it for you to the point that you can't be with her and if the answer is yes you
01:37:58Unknown Femaleshouldn't be with her I have to disagree only because if you like someone you're not going to go sleep with someone else like you just aren't like you know and like not to say like but how would you feel and not say that they ever did I
01:38:10Unknown Femalewould never want to paint you like that but like if your boyfriend when you first started talking if he were to sleep with another woman wouldn't you look at him differently no because I think I already
01:38:20Tira Hos / Hannah Recardknew when we got together like when we first met that he had had a very like he had had way more sexual partners than I ever did and it never really I mean like
01:38:31Tira Hos / Hannah Recardmaybe I felt a little insecure about it but I feel like I just cared about him more than I cared about his past well sexual partners is fine but if we're sitting here dating and talking and you go to sleep with someone like we're not
01:38:43Andrew Wilsondating like we're not dating you're dating other people you know what I'm saying I mean I I don't understand how the other side's valid honestly like that's what I'm trying to figure out is how you figured out that the woman side
01:38:53Andrew Wilsonis valid here like clearly you're dating a man and she says I could see this being exclusive and so does he that's where they're both moving towards and then she's sleeping with another guy that's an action that is contradictory
01:39:05Tira Hos / Hannah Recardto what it is that she's actually saying and doing I she just straight up lied lowkey I would say the same thing if the rle was switched until you say that
01:39:16Tira Hos / Hannah Recardyou're official you know anything can happen and you can't necessarily like I'm not saying I would but you can't be surprised I guess
01:39:28Andrea Johnsonbefore yeah but I mean humans have expectations right before we weigh in I would like to get everybody's sure I think communication is super important in any relationship I think the fact that they didn't talk
01:39:40Andrea Johnsonabout you know whether they were exclusive or not um makes in in a way her point a little valid I mean we don't know what happened on her side um cuz
01:39:52Andrea Johnsonshe didn't write in but uh in my opinion I think that you know I I don't think that she is to blame and I would say
01:40:01Andrea Johnsonthat if it was reversed as well um but I do feel like the guy um who wrote In His opinions are are are super valid and if it's something that he thinks hinders
01:40:12Andrea Johnsonthe relationship or now he can't look at her a certain way you know then end things but you need to talk about that before um but didn't they say that they were taking things slow so therefore didn't they talk about it you know what
01:40:25Unknown FemaleI'm saying like not that they're exclusive but if you look at someone say hey do you want to take things slow I'm going to assume that we're taking things slow you're not sleeping with other people you know right but the key word there is assume they didn't say that
01:40:37Brian Atlasthey were exclusive I didn't see the assume part my bad that's St me well and just to recap she did say he he does say sure we weren't official when this happened but we had already
01:40:48Brian Atlasbeen on multiple dates at that time and he says he thought it was pretty clear that we were moving towards a fully-fledged relationship I think I learned the hard
01:40:59Brian Atlasway you can't just think or assume something in a relationship or Rel he did also right and on her end she was definitely hinting at us evolving into a
01:41:10Andrew Wilsoncouple and strongly hinting at exclusivity mind you they were dating for a a year he doesn't really give much of a timeline like but the inference here is the problem right so the it
01:41:23Andrew Wilsonthere's there's an inference here we're moving towards exclusivity and that inference must actually be there because her claim to him she tensed up she got upset was okay well hang on wait a
01:41:35Andrew Wilsonsecond okay yes technically we weren't exclusive but obviously you had this expectation because I was giving you this expectation otherwise she wouldn't be upset about it right what would she be upset about she's upset because she was inferring that they were going to be
01:41:48Mary Graceexclusive let's get everybody's reaction here go ahead about if her side is valid or not sure um I kind of agree with you if there it's about if there was an
01:42:00Mary Graceexplicit communication of what those boundaries and expectations from the relationship was at the time of these actions occurring I think it gets
01:42:10Mary Graceconfusing I can genuinely see both sides because it seems like there's some dishonesty on one side or the other truth is usually somewhere in the middle
01:42:20Mary Graceof where there was alluding to their being I'm not seeing anybody else it could have also been like a trauma response or a but you know
01:42:31Brian AtlasI don't know I'm just trying to play I know right [ __ ] everything okay so I mean we can have a debate over you know this component of were
01:42:42Brian Atlasthey exclusive or not I think it's up to him is no but the issue is if if she had also been
01:42:51Brian Atlassleeping with him it gives you a bit more leeway but I think the bigger issue here is that she [ __ ] this other dude
01:43:01Unknown Femaleyeah but she told him oh I want to take it slow because I'm a good girl I don't do that yeah that's I think I'm like I don't I think they communicated she said
01:43:12Kayla HardyI'm taking things slow and she went and screamed yeah she lied basically but uh your reaction yeah I was going to ask I guess why wasn't he jumping to date her but I guess it's because she said she was wanted to to take it slow he didn't
01:43:24Kayla Hardyreally say that he wanted to well I think take it slow physically okay so yeah I can see how you know where he's coming from I can see okay your reaction um I feel like just because you know she
01:43:36Toni Jsaid she wanted to take a slow with him she could really like him and just want to take things slow and with the other guy it didn't mean anything so and we were not exclusive we didn't have that
01:43:49Toni Jconversation saying okay we're exclusive we're not going to date anyone we're not we didn't have that it's very great area so I kind of agree with her side because
01:43:59Andrew Wilsonnothing is solidified here everything is like kind of up in the air not I mean I but it's not though it's not there's a there's an this is like and I see this all the time on these panels right it it
01:44:12Andrew Wilsonliterally just seems like it's excusing bad behavior um clearly clearly from this guy's angle he he was moving towards this and she was moving towards this and they both seem to agree
01:44:24Andrew Wilsonotherwise she wouldn't get upset that's one and seemingly the only way that you guys are able to quote validate uh this woman who's in the picture here is to essentially say well I disbelieve his story and there's another side but it's
01:44:36Andrew Wilsonlike just take the story at face value let's assume for a second it's true that everything he's saying is true well then how do you validate that well they again
01:44:45Toni Jthey never they never agreed to be exclusive that I mean yeah but so even look even granting let's say it's not even considered but he didn't agree that that that he would stay in relationship
01:44:58Andrew Wilsonuh with a girl who was like for instance let me let me just give you this scenario right if she had told him at the time oh and by the way I just humped my Tinder date don't you think that would have re remarkably changed the
01:45:10Andrew Wilsonsituation of their Dynamic if she had actually been upfront with that oh by the way guy that I'm dating I also happen to be banging a guy I met on Tinder don't you think that would
01:45:21Toni Jcompletely change the dynamic I think so but I feel like you can't really hold someone up to that standard if of course of I feel like you can't if
01:45:31Toni Jyou're not dating if you're if you're if you don't have to like I could go on a date or be dating someone talking to them right and where I can see things going but I don't have to tell you that
01:45:43Andrew WilsonI just slept with somebody yesterday or last week I mean we're not we we never established that how's that not that's totally despicable because it it puts you first another false pretense it's like that's
01:45:54Andrew Wilsoncompletely despicable Behavior to be like oh but and I'm also banging this guy I'm just not going to tell you don't don't it's totally despicable to do like who would ever want that done to him would you ever want to date a guy who
01:46:07Andrew Wilsonyou were really into and then he was like oh yeah you know and uh by the way you found out you know four weeks in that he was banging some other chick like who who would ever want that I don't know if it's just me but when I
01:46:19Andrea Johnsondate I just assume that the other person is also dating and and possibly sleeping with other people I might not be but I just assume until we have a conversation
01:46:30Andrea Johnsonand I think what she did is not right by not telling him um but in my opinion I think that also what she did wasn't wrong she didn't have to tell him CU
01:46:40Andrew Wilsonthey didn't discuss it uh yeah okay well well here's the thing though like with men guys do this all the time oh go ahead Andrew you're good yeah well I I don't think that men generally are assuming that if they're going on
01:46:53Andrew Wilsonmultiple dates with a woman she's dating anybody else I think that that's usually generally a fair assumption to make I don't see why it wouldn't be and if you think it would change the way that the person would look at you right if you if you told them you were sleeping with
01:47:06Andrew Wilsonsomebody else then at that point I think you actually have an obligation to do so because in it's false pretenses so if you think if I told this person I'm sleeping with somebody else and if they had that information they would no longer want to date me or be with me so I'm going to purposely withhold that
01:47:19Andrew Wilsoninformation yes that's totally despicable that's completely despicable because it's just self-serving right uh your reaction and then we'll have some back and forth here my reaction is that
01:47:30Sinead BarrettI think um it should have been clearly established in the beginning and I think that's where uh you know what what should have that if
01:47:41Sinead Barrettthey were sleeping with people or not um if they both were looking to be in a relationship uh or just establish if they wanted to be in a relationship um I feel like that's just like a valid valid
01:47:53Andrew Wilsonknown thing that people should know uh in a relationship I got to ask this rather you're sleeping with somebody or not in a relationship let me ask you let me ask you a question okay if you had genital warts and the other person didn't know but they didn't ask you and you were
01:48:07Sinead Barrettgoing to sleep with them are you obligated to disclose that to him no this is where I think the modern society is a little soft I think that this stuff should just be easily communicated like rather you're sleeping with somebody or
01:48:19Sinead Barrettnot like personally I don't want no one else sleeping with somebody else if I'm in a relationship like that doesn't answer so I'm going to make that clear um that I'm not sleeping with somebody
01:48:28Andrew Wilsonquestion to my question yeah if you had genital wordss okay and and you you and the person you were on a date with never discussed
01:48:39Andrew WilsonSTDs and he wanted to sleep with you right are you obligated to tell him that yeah and isn't the reason you're obligated to tell him that so that he can make an informed decision about
01:48:51Andrew Wilsonwhether or not he wants to take that risk yeah so and so so the the inference here then is that th this person would make a different decision had they had
01:49:03Andrew Wilsonthe pertinent information that you are withholding and so if you consider that to be a moral conundrum I don't see how you wouldn't consider this a moral conundrum they both seem like a moral conundrum to me same way withholding
01:49:14Andrew Wilsoninformation purposely to be self- serving in the one case you say that's wrong in the other case you say it's fine that seems absurd to me well did he
01:49:22Tira Hos / Hannah Recardsay that if it if she had told him that he would have left does it say that like in in the post she was concerned yeah the the the idea that he's alluding to
01:49:34Andrew Wilsonhere is that had he had the requisite knowledge uh he would have he would have seas and assisted the dating with her that's the uh that's that's the entire inference of the post what makes it wrong is that he didn't know in other
01:49:45Sinead Barrettwords right I think he should have just asked straight up I think it's just like a common thing people should kind of know about each other if you're dating somebody rather you're sleeping with somebody or not like I feel like it's
01:49:57Sinead Barrettjust like a common thing that people should know about each other even in the beginning or not rather like if you see a long-term relationship with someone like I'm not going to be sleeping with somebody else and I feel like that should be established if you both are
01:50:10Andrew Wilsonlooking for long-term things you know yeah I think it should be established in the beginning that uh I I would agree to this I I think it should be established in the beginning whether or not you want to have an open relationship and
01:50:22Andrew Wilsoncontinue to date you say okay I'm going to continue to date other people you date other people that's fine but if it's not disussed right but you're acting in such a way as though it seems
01:50:33Andrew Wilsonthat this is moving towards something then I think that as human beings we can generally figure out what an inference is what's what's being implied here what's being inferred here in the same way that you would say I'm not going to
01:50:45Andrew Wilsonhide in STD because I feel like well that could definitely do some damage to your life by not disclosing that to you and be self- serving this also does the same thing it's very damaging to a
01:50:55Andrew Wilsonperson's life by not disclosing it so from my perspective it seems that uh the woman should be not only completely invalidated here but it was very sneaky underhanded Behavior yeah if it was the
01:51:07Sinead Barrettother way around I would completely not agree with it so I think if guys were doing what this girl was doing to us I think we would honestly act more out on it than what that guy was doing was just
01:51:19Eric Hutchinsposting on Reddit or whatever the heck that was um that's just my personal opinion okay you add something go ahead yeah yeah um for just to be clear so he
01:51:30Eric Hutchinswas dating this woman for a year I just want to be before I make so they was dating for a year and I'm going just then he found out then he found out should have said something all right but so in my opinion the guy just seems a
01:51:43Eric Hutchinslittle green to me that's just what I'm thinking because if I'm talking to a woman in the first beginning I'm not I'm assuming she's doing what she want to do until we make it official you not mind until you mind so I'm not assuming anything if I meet a woman in the modern
01:51:55Eric Hutchinstime especially if she's attractive and it's early and we haven't established nothing she might still be lingering with somebody else it still might be some cob ways we trying to clean out so I'm not even assuming that and if I'm dealing with a woman for a year's time
01:52:07Eric Hutchinsand we haven't done anything and you're accepting that and you think that's normal you're just you don't know women enough I think we have what we want women to be and what they are and I think a lot of [ __ ] yeah but this what you're doing is promoting terrible I'm
01:52:20Eric Hutchinsnot promoting anything you got to let me finish though I'm I'm not prom promoting anything cuz I don't believe in it I'm I'm I deal with reality I don't agree with a lot of stuff in reality I don't think certain things should be a crime but that don't mean I'm going to do it just to prove a point it is what it is
01:52:33Eric Hutchinsso if I'm dealing with a woman for a year's time and she's making me wait for her body I don't care what she says I don't think she likes me so based on that post I think they did just to
01:52:44Eric Hutchinsclarify it's not clear from the post I'm assuming they did have sex I don't think he discloses it that's what I'm saying he said they was but you said she was waiting she said she was they was taking it slow physically that's what just I
01:52:55Brian Atlasdon't think he discloses but yeah so maybe they waited a month 2 months 3 months something like that I think they did have sex just just as a point of clarification okay but he waited and then she [ __ ] a dud on Tinder probably
01:53:07Eric Hutchinsimmediately okay so this what that's what I'm saying I'm not clear I'm not clear if they had it's not clear if he had sex with or not based on the post seemed like he was waiting to have sex he waited three months the other dude Hit it first night and hey then he he
01:53:20Eric Hutchinsneeds to leave her alone but the fact that he made that post shows that he needs someone to convince her to convince him to leave her alone he still wants to deal with her and if he still wants to deal with her then he's a clown because if you got to go online and ask
01:53:32Eric Hutchinspeople hey should I leave her alone or not that means you still like her and you're waiting for someone to tell you it's okay to stay with her and men like that don't know women enough and they just they just game goofy period well