09:27:56Brian Atlasti so okay it's a transgender woman used to be a man yes so was male is still
09:28:05Tira Hos / Hannah Recardmale do you grant that no I believe that she is female so they change their can you change your chromosomes if if they legally change that's a question for her
09:28:15Tira Hos / Hannah Recardgo ahead I personally believe that if you go through all of the [ __ ] of having to come out to your family go through all of those treatments [ __ ]
09:28:24Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddo injections every single [ __ ] day take parts of yourself yeah [ __ ] call call yourself call yourself whatever you want at the end of day after that I'll I'll just go you earned it more than I
09:28:36Tira Hos / Hannah Recardhave I'm just going to go ahead and Grant that that's a woman is it a female if they call themselves female then yeah they are that's what I feel that's how I feel that's what I view it
09:28:49Brian Atlaseven even from trans activists I don't hear that they're female do you know what sex is do you know what chromosomes are okay so there so what is a woman okay chromosomes if we're talking about chromosomes yes they still have male
09:29:00Tira Hos / Hannah Recardchromos so they're female or male is a transwoman a male or a female they are
09:29:11Brian Atlasbiologically still male but how we they're not female they're biologically male they can't be female you cannot be it doesn't work like that cannot how we
09:29:22Brian Atlasperceive them and how they want to be perceived I don't think it's I already granted to you that they can I I don't believe it but I'll Grant to you for the sake of argument that they can be a woman but I'm trying to tackle pin down
09:29:33Tira Hos / Hannah Recardif you'll if why does that matter though because it's well well why does it though that that's what I'm asking why does it matter to you why does it matter in any of these questions if you're not planning on dating a trans woman and no
09:29:45Eric Hutchinsone at this table is planning on dating a trans man why does it matter to you why matters if a man gets approach this why it matters easy this why I get mad because if a man that's a straight man gets approached by a trans woman and
09:29:57Unknown Femaletells her no and other people say that's discrimination that's why these conversations matter and it's not even that it might not matter to us it might not matter to him but there's people watching right now where it does matter because they are transgender and the
09:30:09Unknown Femalethings are happening to them so we can sit here and not talk about it but it deserves to be talked about because we ar going can a trans woman get pregnant by me I think that they actually are doing
09:30:19Tira Hos / Hannah Recardhey hold on hold on I think that they're doing a uterus I I that that that that that is something that is happening they're doing uterus implants and it's done by I believe stem cell research
09:30:31Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthat is something the same thing of Cutting Edge technology of women being able to procreate without men these things do EXA hold on hold on absent that surgical intervention can trans
09:30:42Unknown Femalewomen get pregnant no okay all right uh really quick going around the table what is a woman ah I don't want to answer this
09:30:53Brian Atlasokay uh I genuinely believe a woman a woman is a woman like I do believe it comes down to you can't that's a circular it's it's a circular
09:31:03Unknown Femaledefinition you have to you can't like Define woman without using the word woman she has a vagina originally when she's born you can identify as a woman
09:31:15Unknown Femalebut I wouldn't say that you technically are a woman born a woman what is a woman I believe that that a woman is I could get all poetic I could be
09:31:27Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlike women are beautiful women are light women are you know all of the things but it doesn't really matter you too so actually I couldn't especially the men at this table right now but okay cool thank you uh so anyways why don't you
09:31:39Tira Hos / Hannah Recardactually attempt to answer the question what is a woman I think a a woman is someone who identifies as being okay I'm not allow I'm not allowed to say do you
09:31:51Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddo you do you think that is it okay if they have boobs oh is that is that safe to say you know you be able to take seen and make a
09:32:00Eric Hutchinsbaby come out I can't even do that and I'm [ __ ] a biological woman because you have ill yeah but does that make me any less of a woman no but you have an illness you have something that's not
09:32:13Eric Hutchinsnatural happening to you that's not natural to have Lupus no offense so that's not acting like that's an you're still talking about anomalies and trying to make them women are of the nature to be able to
09:32:25Brian Atlasgive birth not of course not all some women have medical problems some women are you know they're older a 50 a 70-year-old woman she can't she can't gone through menopause can't have
09:32:37Eric Hutchinschildren she's still a woman but but she can't bear children either so she has illness right but being old is not an illness no I'm saying but you your your your eggs like
09:32:49Eric Hutchinsafter a while her she don't have any more eggs but she a woman so it's not but she still has a vagina so take away the take away the ability to have children they don't have vaginas I'm not talking a slit that they cut that's not
09:33:01Tira Hos / Hannah Recarda vagina and if you want to tell people that that's crazy when we're being formed in the womb we are the same up until a certain let me ask the rest of the table let me ask the rest of the
09:33:11Andrea Johnsontable what is a woman a woman is what is defined by the person oh what is a woman double X chromosome Zone okay agreed
09:33:23Andrea Johnsonwith her double X the same uh can a can a man get pregnant to you so app for it right can a man get
09:33:35Brian Atlaspregnant a man get pregnant can a man get pregnant a trans man can okay um let's because he's really a woman can
09:33:45Brian Atlasum let me see uh what about uh should we allow transgender women to par participate in women's sports no sorry I I don't have an opinion on that cuz I'm
09:33:56Tira Hos / Hannah Recardnot I I literally don't have an opinion on that because I don't know enough about Olympic sports to be able
09:34:04Tira Hos / Hannah Recardto wait wait wait wait you didn't even see more like the safety of in locker rooms and stuff yeah okay here's the thing I I would say that I I
09:34:16Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddon't we get into a sticky situation because then you also have hold on hold on you have people who have either like the the I think it was like a skater figure skater who she is biologically a
09:34:28Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwoman she has a vagina a uterous [ __ ] boobs but she has either the she's either INX or she [ __ ] tests high for testosterone and then she can talking
09:34:39Toni Jabout we're talking we're talking about a trans man swimming with a with females yeah talking is much stronger and wider
09:34:50Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthan a female just naturally biolog I would I would say personally personally speaking you don't want them to take those Awards can a transman with
09:35:00Tira Hos / Hannah Recardballs in a penis get in the ring and fight a woman yes or no no I I don't or I would probably say no again once again I don't know enough
09:35:12Tira Hos / Hannah Recardabout hold on about fighting about power strength what I don't think anyone at this table actually knows anything about this hold on hold on let me let me
09:35:22Brian Atlasfinish my thought let me finish let me let me finish my thought about this educ highly educated on this topic but I I
09:35:32Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddon't think any of us really maybe maybe her maybe her can I finish before you get angry I'm not angry at you go ahead go ahead know how estrogen testosterone therapy all of these different therapies
09:35:45Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthat people who are trans are getting done I don't know how that affects their bone density I don't know how that affects their uh ability to perform I'm telling you that I don't know enough
09:35:56Tira Hos / Hannah Recardabout this subject to make an educated opinion and I'm getting ripped apart by you guys because I don't know enough about a subject to make an educated opinion so let me say let me say this so
09:36:07Eric Hutchinsif I if I if I if I hit this if I hit this I think that's the best answer someone get no of course but if I if I if I if I put on a skirt right now in front if I go in the bathroom right now
09:36:18Eric Hutchinscome back out with a never if I go in the bath going come out with a skirt right now you would not be trans and hit her why wouldn't I be why is he not trans that would be woman on if I go in
09:36:29Eric Hutchinsthe bathroom and come out and dress and say starting at this moment is is how you feel inside how you know how I feel inside I could have had an anop I could have had an an I could have had a Epiphany just now so you know what I want to be a girl that's a strong arm
09:36:43Eric Hutchinswait hold on you know feel you are an actor you're good you're good act she's very good
09:36:50Unknown Femaleshe's awesome gloves I'm getting water yeah wait it's just unsafe um wasn't there actually someone in the Olympics
09:37:00Unknown Femalethat I was about to say and they were the slowest swimmer for the men and then swim against the women and W against the women and won the model you know what so sad about this argument I'm shut up the
09:37:11Eric Hutchinslocker rooms and the safety of you know what's so sad about this argument that's that's that just shows the sickness in this fake ass power struggle these trans women men that you're defending is
09:37:22Eric Hutchinstaking what God made for you it ain't even affecting me if you you got women that f it I think it was a show I think on on what is a woman These Girls practice and train to be to get
09:37:33Eric Hutchinsscholarships to run track and they got it taken from a man so you're so busy trying to push feminism that you're actually hurting women you're not hurting us so you're not messing with me
09:37:45Eric Hutchinsthe less the more the more men want to switch sides that's more women for me so I'm not mad they're taken away from what you work for for what women work for you got men that's taken away from what you got and what if they're doing on purpose
09:37:58Tira Hos / Hannah Recardbecause they can't win in the men category exactly that's they're competitive but they can't compete with men so now they want to be women and compete yes but I feel like this is also
09:38:07Unknown Femalejust kind of a demonization of trans people saying that we just as they were hom it's not sleeping at them as homophobic they should have their own category then you know I agree that should be that absolutely they should
09:38:20Toni Jhave their own category that's sounds like would have like the most amount of sense I'm fine with that yeah yeah trans women should compete against trans but then they're going to say that oh we're we're putting them in a group by themselves and we're not letting them be a part of everybody else or we could
09:38:33Mary Gracejust honestly or we could just like not accommodate Society for like less than 1% of people like that just seems I don't yeah everybody just be just be yourself be yourself and and don't make it my problem and I will not give a
09:38:45Brian Atlasflying [ __ ] yeah and don't make it just this big wa so let's go back to dating let's go back to dating we talked about the sports thing really we talked about the sports thing but um uh
09:38:56Brian Atlasso again I'd like a you know some engagement here on this question so the position here is is that you guys think
09:39:06Brian Atlasthat it's would be straight for a I hate this term CIS male to date a uh transgender woman you think it's straight if he views that relationship as straight then yeah that's his
09:39:19Brian Atlasrelationship but like so pointing I guess going to you um you're you're a lesbian woman right
09:39:29Brian Atlasuh if I dictated to you what your sexuality meant would you object to that if I was like you know what you're
09:39:38Brian Atlasa lesbian woman but uh would would you date a transgender woman yeah I would okay and so you would you why did you laugh at that
09:39:50Brian Atlasbecause you would date a transgender woman and you would still be a lesbian with the penis hold on I got yes wait no you a so the transgender woman this is
09:40:02Brian Atlasactually really interesting to have to have a a lesbian here but um for this question so would you still be a Les like you're a lesbian
09:40:14Brian Atlasyou would date a transgender woman right yes okay this transgender woman has a penis and you were allowing the penis to enter inside of you you're having you're giving the
09:40:25Andrea Johnsonpenis beit bloes blow jobes are you still a lesbian okay well the question originally was just would I
09:40:34Andrea Johnsondate a transgender women yes I we cir but it would have to be a transgender woman who already went through surgery oh for so so but so is
09:40:45Brian Atlasit but you said it would be straight for a CIS male to have sex with a transgender or woman who still has a penis yeah but so why would you not still be a lesbian cuz I don't want
09:40:57Brian Atlaspenetration doesn't matter you would still be a lesbian if you allowed the transgender penis to enter inside of you would you not because that's a woman
09:41:06Brian Atlasyeah I I just don't personally want that you don't personally sure but okay uh so you won't let your girl play with you and put some here let me ask you a
09:41:17Brian Atlasquestion if you saw no one said that that's what I saw get out of myx if you saw a lesbian woman being penetrated by a penis would you question if she's actually a lesbian no I
09:41:28Brian Atlaswouldn't is that a is it a Les is it a lesbian sex act to be penetrated by a penis I mean lesbians use toys all the
09:41:37Brian Atlastime no but it's a transgender woman mhm so is it a lesbian sex act for a a CIS lesbian I think that's CIS lesbian woman
09:41:49Tira Hos / Hannah Recardto be penetrated by transgender woman's penis is that a lesbian sex act yeah she's still a lesbian Woo is well if she's trans then
09:42:00Brian AtlasI'm assuming she would also be female uh presenting right okay so she's got she still identifies as dressing in that way she's taking hormones but she this
09:42:11Brian Atlastransgender woman the transgender woman still has a functional penis crazy yeah so so if you had uh sexual intercourse with a transgender woman and the entailment of that would I know you
09:42:24Brian Atlasdon't want it but like for the for sake of argument you you had penetrative sex with this transgender woman's penis that's still Les a lesbian sex act still a
09:42:36Brian Atlaslesbian well no you you're I'll grant that you're still a lesbian but is a still still a lesbian act still a lesbian sex act I mean in order for I
09:42:46Andrea Johnsonmean the logic while flawed I mean you're consistent at least least I mean because if if it was uh let's say we're
09:42:57Andrea Johnsonin a heterosexual relation not we just me and a man right we're in a heterosexual relationship let's just say that the man like pen anal
09:43:07Brian Atlaspenetration cuz it's pleasurable does that make him not I mean you're not pen you don't have a penis correct I know but with a stra I don't I don't think that that wouldn't
09:43:18Brian Atlasbe homosexual because you're you're a biological female um it's perhaps like not so common it it's probably like a
09:43:28Brian Atlasminority of heterosexual men want to want to be I mean want to be anally stimulated or whatever I don't think that would be a homosexual act right so
09:43:38Brian Atlasthen why would not be a lesbian act if the the the person identifies as a woman but the difference I'm using male female you're
09:43:49Andrea Johnsonusing man woman right because right but a transgender woman is not female no but the the ACT is still penetration and and I could be
09:44:00Brian Atlaspenetrated with a toy and this person identifies as a woman not a man okay so if you're same sit your logic is failing here so if you're you're you're having
09:44:10Brian Atlaslesbian sex with a CIS woman and she penetrates you you with a dildo is that heterosexual if I'm having I'm using your own logic I'm having sex with a straight woman woman no no no you no a
09:44:23Brian Atlasgay woman it wouldn't matter well it wouldn't matter if she's straight or whatever you're having sex with a lesbian woman but she's penetrating you in some capacity is that heterosexual sex no it's still straight sex I mean
09:44:33Brian Atlassorry lesbian sex so as a woman if you I mean I don't it's sus or whatever but like if you're penetrating
09:44:44Brian Atlasyour male your male partner as a woman yeah it's not homosexual you're female yeah still straight sex because I in
09:44:55Brian Atlasthis case I identify as straight he identifies as straight straight men don't get penetrated by no toys look it would be sus technically it wouldn't be it would not be homosexual if your
09:45:05Brian Atlasgirlfriend like stick her stuck her finger so I can't even whatever I don't even want to [ __ ] talk about that but um yeah it would it would not be homo
09:45:15Brian Atlasseexual if your girlfriend stuck her thumb up your what the [ __ ] uh anyways um so wait as a lesbian woman you date a
09:45:27Brian Atlastransgender woman the transgender woman still has a penis you suck the dick of the transgender woman are you still a
09:45:37Eric Hutchinslesbian I'd still be a lesbian is it a you don't even believe the [ __ ] you be saying there's no way ride for the women you don't I can't
09:45:47Unknown Femaleeven it's a woman you just I'm just really confused I'm so far confused I don't even know what's
09:45:58Andrea Johnsonhappening like I'm confused you're confused you just say I'm not confused it's a woman it's a transgender woman just saying [ __ ] you're just saying [ __ ] I don't know what you been through but I'm pray for you okay I'm I know that if
09:46:11Brian AtlasI was talking to a gay girl and they said that I would not date them cuz I'd be like I don't know if you like I don't know but that's just me gay girls final thing on this then we're going to do the roast then it's over shows over it's this is the long this is by the way our
09:46:23Brian Atlaslongest show ever congratulations I know I looked at it I said we were putting in work this is crazy time is it right now [ __ ] insane so okay I will ask one more time and then I promise I'll move
09:46:35Brian Atlasthis on and we're going to wrap up the show okay wait are we at 9 hours almost at 10 hours almost at yeah almost double the time we were supposed to go hey look it was good though it was good okay feel
09:46:46Brian Atlastired no it kind of went by fast so when we say question for you two question for you two when we say homosexual we mean same-sex relationship
09:46:56Brian Atlascorrect wait are which question are we on I'm sorry I'll repeat it when we say homosexual we mean same-sex relationship correct mhm same seex yeah yeah like
09:47:07Brian Atlaslike two guys two girls you would agree yeah two guys two girls you would agree that these people have not changed their sex correct transgender people have not
09:47:17Tira Hos / Hannah Recardchanged their sex what I said is that with can you change your sex can you change your sex you can't change your chromosomes no okay so a transgender
09:47:27Brian Atlaswoman before the transition at Birth was male correct M okay and you just acknowledged that they cannot become female correct
09:47:39Brian Atlasbiologically yes currently at least biologically okay sure maybe in the future there's some crazy [ __ ] who knows currently you cannot change your sex no a male cannot become a female a female
09:47:51Brian Atlascannot become a male biologically speaking yes homosexual means SE same seex relationship um homo SEC it's even
09:48:02Tira Hos / Hannah Recardin the name homosexual hold on hold on sexuality is up to the individual and how they interpret that for themselves no I'm pretty sure dick on dick is gay
09:48:12Brian AtlasMal gay two two males regardless of whether they get fake titties and they put on some makeup and put on a wig and wear address you're still a male you
09:48:23Brian Atlaseven conceded to that point two males having sex and even granting to you the the distinction of gender I'll Grant to you even in this example that the gender
09:48:35Brian Atlashas changed the gender used to be man now it's a woman two males having sex how can that be heterosexual answer me that okay what
09:48:47Tira Hos / Hannah RecardI'm trying to answer the question I am answering it it can't it can be heterosexual because literally it literally definitionally cannot be heterosexual
09:48:58Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddefinitions definitions change over time they are adopted already con no I didn't because I wasn't given the chance to speak look you
09:49:09Tira Hos / Hannah Recardokay is two understand what you're trying to do I don't two males is two males having sex homosexual if the two guys are identifying as homosexual then
09:49:20Unknown Femaleyes yes it is you're not going to change so if they if two men are having sex yes identifying as men then they're homosexual but saying that they're
09:49:30Unknown Femalestraight does that make them straight so if I say just because I I [ __ ] a dog I don't I don't do it tomorrow does that make me straight still I don't if we I'm
09:49:41Brian Atlasa shitu wait so just to be clear so okay essentially you're saying so yes a transgender woman you're you're you are agreeing that that's a male right bi Al I don't know there what other
09:49:54Tira Hos / Hannah Recardcategory would a male there's there's how you present on the on your outward present you can't present as a you can I suppose granted you can present as a female or male presenting how you look
09:50:05Tira Hos / Hannah Recardon the outside because I can guarantee a lot of these transgender guys and women you would never know our transgender I'll even grant that you can you can look like a male sure that's actually
09:50:16Brian Atlasreally easy to Grant it's it's the same thing as granting that a trans transgender uh that the gender can change again don't agree with that but I'll Grant it uh you're still a male two
09:50:29Brian Atlasmales having sex is homosexual a male and a female having sex heterosexual and it's not like a bad term two what is so you have to be prepared to say we have to completely remove gender
09:50:42Tira Hos / Hannah Recardfrom this I want you to say the following statement I will not just hear just will not just listen just I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not call my friends I'm not throwing any of my friends under
09:50:53Brian Atlasthe bus with this [ __ ] podcast absolutely not no no just hear me out hear me stop stop it's not going it's not even going to be bad just hear me out I want you to say because this is your position I'm just repeating your
09:51:06Brian Atlasposition back to you a a a male and a female having
09:51:14Brian Atlassex is homosexual sorry can be homosexual um male this is your position you have to a male and a female a male and a
09:51:25Brian Atlasfemale regardless of their gender identity I'm just looking at their sex a male and a you have this is your position a male and a female having sex I want you to tell me that that can be
09:51:37Brian Atlashomosexual I mean it it can I would honestly say it was more pansexual than anything but well no but but you said it was the the the the Genesis of this
09:51:47Brian Atlasconversation had to do with straight straight means heteros sexual so I also want to ask you this can two males having sex is that that's
09:51:59Tira Hos / Hannah Recardcan be heterosexual if one of them is presenting as female hold on well I guess that's an entailment yeah she hasn't it okay so two males
09:52:10Tira Hos / Hannah Recardhaving sex can be heterosexual if one's wearing a Weg okay um like I've already stated my position on
09:52:22Brian Atlasthis I think we've all already stated our position on this I don't know why you're wanting you've already but you've acknowledged you've acknowledged that homosexual means same sex heterosexual means opposite sex okay
09:52:34Tira Hos / Hannah Recardmy question for you is are you ever going to date a transgender woman no Okay cool so what and are you ever going to date a transgender person over
09:52:44Tira Hos / Hannah Recardhere she said back over there no I want I want to know because if you're never no here's the thing if you have no interest no if you don't have any if you
09:52:55Brian Atlasdon't have any interest if you don't have any interest then why does it matter perfect rebuttal to this argument of well you shouldn't care you said you have you cannot get pregnant correct mhm
09:53:07Brian Atlasyou cannot get pregnant correct yes like you're you're just because of medical reasons incapable of becoming pregnant with a viable pregnancy yes I could potentially have a non-viable pregnancy
09:53:20Tira Hos / Hannah Recardif I wanted if I wanted to try for one but yes if we're saying like my biologically what I'm able to do and produce would not ever be a viable
09:53:31Brian Atlashealthy pregnancy in addition to that you would have extreme difficulty even getting pregnant is that my understanding for this reason you're not allowed to have an opinion on abortion that's not true because
09:53:44Tira Hos / Hannah Recardactually if anyone should have an opinion it why you can't get pregnant because a lot of abortions the medical term is called abortion for atopic pregnancy or any of the other pregnancies that are non- viable that I
09:53:56Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwould not be able to carry to term it would have to be medically aborted and if it does not then it would go septic inside of me so yes if anyone has an opinion it's people who are going to be [ __ ] over with that okay how about
09:54:09Brian Atlasthis then because there you said there's a slight chance that you can get pregnant you will acknowledge some women are incapable of getting pregnant right for example like older women yes okay uh they're not allowed to have an opinion on abortion because they can't get
09:54:21Brian Atlaspregnant do you agree with that they were able to get pregnant at one point no how about there's a woman biologic okay I'll just use the most extreme example I can just to try to articulate the point here a woman at no point in
09:54:34Brian Atlasher life was ever a because of some genetic defect was she can't even conceive there can be no conception can't conceive can never get pregnant for this reason she can't have an opinion on abortion agree or disagree
09:54:47Brian Atlasdisagree you can always have an opinion on something okay I can have an opinion on the transgender thing even though even though I would never date one or whatever especially we can be lab transphobic for not dealing with them we
09:54:57Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddefinitely have checkm okay okay but the difference is having an opinion and voicing that opinion out of maybe hate that's assumption see see that's that
09:55:08Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddangerous [ __ ] y'all be doing you say of hate why why why even bring this conversation that's bull said homophobia was
09:55:21Eric Hutchinsno no no I'm not saying he said homophobia I'm saying is you're trying to Strongarm someone into saying what you want she said Bas she said as long as it's not coming from the perspective of hate so you just assume you you
09:55:34Eric Hutchinsthat's that rhetoric that get people [ __ ] up yo that's dangerous rhetoric just because we don't agree with you don't mean we hate anybody why would I I don't think she directed it towards you she just said as long as I know you
09:55:45Eric Hutchinsgoing to defend I get all I'm saying is I don't I don't she said hate she said the word hate you could have said disgruntled you could have said disgust
09:55:55Eric Hutchinsyou said hate that's a strong word with connotations that can get people flaged docks all types of stuff but and y'all use these words specifically because you have to Gaslight dominions in the world
09:56:07Eric Hutchinsbecause you can't defend the argument in real time that's why did you assume it was directed at you yo I'm not even talking to you you don't even know what the [ __ ] going on I'm talking about what she talking about what I'm saying is those type of words is what get people
09:56:19Brian Atlasin trouble in real life we do have to rap we do have to rap um this has been too long this it's already we're going to it's going to be a 10 hour 10hour show m
09:56:29Brian Atlasb czy yeah okay um and I got a flat okay so we're GNA we have to let the TTS sorry guys I know you guys have been sending in the ttss we I had to let
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09:57:14Brian Atlasone all men have to cut off their penis because hypothetically penis secret idiot juice then would these two leaders Step Up Wait what what we all said hold
09:57:25Brian Atlason what all right uh hold on we got this one coming in uh one sec guys there's a little delay on these they're coming in though
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09:59:15Brian Atlasa feminist manter I love men so no aom the bear bro I love the men in my life oh so okay you like like you like like
09:59:26Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthree men no and the rest are like okay here's the thing I work primarily with men and I love the men that I work with I absolutely adore my co-stars to the to
09:59:38Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthe [ __ ] death they are great great people I don't hate them but I also know them and I'm in a safe environment where I can get to know them that's beautiful deore
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10:00:12Andrea Johnsonbut no I didn't say what school I went to can you share or oh sure I went to calate San Bernardino for undergrad and C uh CPU for grad school C what's CPU
10:00:24Brian AtlasCal Baptist they taught this at Cal B isn't that a Christian School hey I'm out of it man they Tau wait they taught they taught all that [ __ ] okay fair enough fair enough good times oh nothing about
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10:00:46Unknownsomeone has XY chromosomes still has a uterus and presence as a woman would you really call her a man I don't give a [ __ ] I mean like I I
10:00:58Brian Atlasdon't I don't know specifically what this is um like there are there are absolutely people who are interex and I don't deny this um but like to say that all transgender people is interex is
10:01:10Brian Atlasjust I never said that they no I know you didn't but like people like to point well what about intersex people well that doesn't deny the fact that there's like the vast majority of transgender women for example
10:01:20Brian Atlaslike their their chromosones are to 100% matching those of a male and they're not intersex there's not like any genetic defect or anything no but
10:01:32Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwhat I'm saying if if sets a precedent to accept one then why can't we accept the other well the interex is a totally different like category these are these are people who
10:01:43Tira Hos / Hannah Recardhave like genetic defects yes but what I would also say is that for everyone who says that transgender people shouldn't have um gender affirming care that also
10:01:53Brian Atlasis like legally for interex people as well okay one I swear I won't Linger on this um at what age should people should uh if you're like transgender and you're like 10 years old should you get gender
10:02:04Tira Hos / Hannah Recardfirment care um gender affirming hair can be classified as anything like growing out your hair so I think that that's a pretty vague argument but do I think that they should do I think do
10:02:15Tira Hos / Hannah Recardshould a uh puberty blockers puberty blockers don't do any damage and can be reversed do I think this is literally fake news that's literally fake news I I I I know people who took puberty
10:02:26Brian Atlasblockers fake news you can reverse you cannot reverse puberty how is that it's not reversible how's it reversible explain to me how it's reversible go ahead I know two separate people who I
10:02:38Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddon't yeah they did it they went through it is it reversible can they rever one of them did decide that that was not for them in high school and stopped taking it they started taking testosterone and were able to live a perfectly normal
10:02:50Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlife afterwards they were probably still we okay so I I would even in we had a a d transitioner are you familiar with this yes that's what I said my I have one friend who transitioned completely and one friend who de transition we had
10:03:03Brian AtlasI think three months ago we had a woman who came on the show she she uh female transition wanted to be male or wanted to be a man transitioned took the testosterone whatever she was like this
10:03:15Brian Atlastotally changed totally changed me not reversible it impacted her voice her vocal cords that's not reversible it impacted something like hair growth a couple other things I don't want to speak for her if if you'd want to have a conversation with her we could have her
10:03:28Brian Atlason to but she can tell she's a d transitioner she can tell you herself it's not reversible what age do I think that
10:03:37Tira Hos / Hannah Recardchildren should be able to start taking medication sure um honestly I would say the age of like medical consent in some like States so okay so should um what
10:03:50Tira Hos / Hannah Recardabout the 10-year-old can they start taking or how about 13 can they start taking like puberty blockers I would wait I would wait till my child if that if it was my child I would no just what about not your child a trans child well
10:04:02Tira Hos / Hannah RecardI'm not their parent and I think this also goes this goes to you're in Char you can pass laws let's say you can pass laws what what age would you allow it to be I would I I don't know I would do it on a situational I would I would feel
10:04:15Tira Hos / Hannah Recardlike there would I would need to have the fact okay you would deny no no no no okay can I first of all I think I would need to have all of the information if I was making a lot I
10:04:28Brian Atlaswould need to have all of the information in front of me to make a very if it was your child's your child your your 14-year-old's um if it was my
10:04:37Tira Hos / Hannah Recardchild son comes to you and is like hey Mom I think I'm a woman like would you what I would do with them is I would you know thank them for coming to me and
10:04:48Tira Hos / Hannah Recardsharing that with me we could try out some things we could try out multiple different methods beforehand we could see you know let's let's try growing your hair out a little bit seeing how
10:04:58Brian Atlasyou feel with that they do that yeah yes they do that but they're like Mom I don't want to go through puberty as a male because then like when I'm an adult
10:05:07Brian Atlasthat's going to be like I'm going to face uh I'm not going to align with my gender identity I want to start I want
10:05:16Tira Hos / Hannah Recardto prevent going through male P puberty I would say that that's a really hard call for a parent to make it's a hard call what's your call you have to make
10:05:28Tira Hos / Hannah Recardyeah if I had to make a call I would I would try and get them to wait a little bit longer so we could make sure that it was a very informed okay sure your 13 uh your 12-year-old comes to you yeah and you're like well let's wait two years
10:05:41Brian Atlasand then they wait two years they do all the like you know growing the hair out maybe dressing a different way and then they come to you two years later and they're like yeah I still feel this way I would like to get the drugs or
10:05:50Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwhatever I would say that I would start them if if they after 2 years still felt the same exact way I would allow them to
10:05:59Brian Atlastake maybe like a like a low dose of of something what if the what if you go see a doctor and the doctor's like well this is the dose that's going to be necess and this is an expert and I'm assuming you're going to defer on this expert and
10:06:13Brian Atlasthis person's like oh we have to get this person gender firm and care and this the this is going to require like this dosage okay are you going to I would like no no if the if the doctor said that this is
10:06:25Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwhat I I would trust a medical profession yes a medical professional that that being said I you would give your 14-year-old son pu puberty blockers
10:06:36Tira Hos / Hannah Recardyes but I would not allow them to go through like you know a full bottom or top surgery until they were 18 but having blockers until they're 18 gives them some time and if they change their
10:06:49Tira Hos / Hannah Recardmind part of the way through then you can stop the blockers and then we could give it's not reversible though you can give them testosterone and there are other treatment plans available I've i' I've seen it in my
10:07:00Tira Hos / Hannah Recardfriend he successfully retransition I've I've seen that my own huh how long was he taking these these PRD blockers before he said I don't want
10:07:09Brian Atlasit no more how long was he taking them like 12 to 16 um should should a let me ask you this should a 10-year-old be allowed to get a tattoo
10:07:21Tira Hos / Hannah RecardI mean I wouldn't give my 10-year-old a tattoo your 10-year-old comes to you and says I make I I would make him wait on that tattoo for 2 years the same way that this 12 is cool so you'd let your
10:07:33Tira Hos / Hannah Recard12-year-old get it was like I don't know like a little [ __ ] star or something if they wanted it like I don't know if they're I mean I'm not prob arm sleeve how about that no there's compromise not
10:07:44Tira Hos / Hannah Recardeverything is black and white you compromise get like you can cut oh my God no I and I literally never said that we would cut off any appendage you'd let
10:07:53Tira Hos / Hannah Recardyour 12 you'd let your 12-year-old get a tattoo if it was like a like a tiny tiny no not how about okay it's he's not going to get a face tattoo no I wouldn't let my 12-year-old get one I would say
10:08:05Tira Hos / Hannah Recardif he was 12 and he came to me and he was like I really want a tattoo I'd be like okay let's wait some time then he's 14 right now we're talking about different ages here if we're talking about the same exact ages I feel like I would let my
10:08:18Tira Hos / Hannah Recard14-year-old if they thought on that tattoo and it was something small and manageable and we we talked and decided that okay we'll compromise and do this if in 2 years from now you still want
10:08:30Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthat tiny little star tattoo I'll I'll let you get it I think things are about compromise you can get a tattoo removed you don't compromise with
10:08:41Brian Atlaschildren you got to be a parent coming from a parent what like here when it comes to and you got a parent so like when it comes education when comes to Parenting compromising is is bad you do realize you do no no no you don't okay
10:08:55Brian Atlasyou do realize as a parent you have authority and responsibility over your children and you can just say the only justification you need to say no to a to
10:09:04Brian Atlasyour child is because I said so I don't agree with that I don't need to justify no sucess you don't do something because I said so I don't need to tell you why you're going to listen to me that's it
10:09:17Tira Hos / Hannah Recardwell my parents use that exact argument with me and my brothers and it did not work out well for them so so what do you mean that don't mean it was wrong that mean y was rebellious yeah that means you you guys were rebellious that you're telling someone that they can't have
10:09:28Brian Atlassomething they're going to want to do it what were they trying to prevent you what were they trying to prevent you from doing like pretty much anything what do you mean like that was anytime I please
10:09:40Tira Hos / Hannah Recarddon't the do I'm sorry but please don't the dot okay here's a thing is you're putting these you're putting these like hypothetical situations that I don't think that I would run into I don't think my child is going to be begging me
10:09:53Eric Hutchinsevery single morning and night noon and night for a tattoo but they'll beg you to get their balls muted um I told you I I told you I I say get them muted which means the I didn't say cut off I said muted stop the process you they're still
10:10:05Brian Atlasgoing to be there that's not a thing they're still going to be there that's crazy yo well I do think you can chemically castrate right isn't that I don't know the precise details but you can chemically castrate yourself and I
10:10:18Brian Atlasthink like taking estrogen as a woman as a man might didn't a woman try to be a man K when she to I don't know um you know what actually I take the
10:10:30Tira Hos / Hannah Recardtattoo thing back now that i' now that I've thought about it I I take the tattoo thing back I do and the re and the reason for that is is a tattoo is not part of someone's identity and a
10:10:41Tira Hos / Hannah Recardchild you're right probably should not be getting a tattoo at age 14 but I actually have met people who have gotten tattoos at age 14 with their parents permission I don't judge their parents
10:10:52Brian Atlasfor so just to be clear so in my in my worldview I I actually think that uh getting a tattoo like a child getting a tattoo would be actually much more
10:11:02Brian Atlasbenign than undergoing uh like than uh taking puberty blockers but puberty blockers can be re no it it literally can't they can be
10:11:14Brian Atlasstopped and you can take you can take other hormones to replace let me ask you question so if I current current day took estrogen for the next 3 years and I
10:11:25Brian AtlasI'm not going to go through puberty at all if I took estrogen for 3 years and then I then go and take testosterone to make up for it for three years you don't think that that's going to have even if somebody who's already gone through
10:11:38Brian Atlaspuberty you don't think that's that's going to have significant ramifications on my health I honestly don't know I'm not a medical professional with that why else would
10:11:49Brian Atlaswhy else would you take these drugs if not to affect some sort of change yes you're trying to affect some sort of change ask actually you're
10:12:00Brian Atlasyou're trying to create so if I took I I'm already bit overweight I I I need to lose a bit of weight I already got some titties going right but joke but like if I took estrogen I would start like
10:12:11Brian Atlasproper developing some some titties right and so do you think that they would disappear once I get off like that
10:12:20Brian Atlasshit's permanent son you can get that removed by surgery natur that that's not like that requires surgical intervention then to fix but it can still be fixed but it mean it's not natural that means
10:12:33Eric Hutchinsit's man-made it's synthetic it's not real a lot of things are man-made yeah and a lot of things are [ __ ] the world up because of that my goodness the Dy in your clothing is man with this one
10:12:44Brian Atlasplease Lord 10 hours deep on this right now like got a 2our we're weing it's just it's crazy to me like yes to puberty
10:12:55Tira Hos / Hannah Recardblockers but no to the tattoo which seems way L like because one someone's identity and how they view themselves and also I would have to live with it on my conscience either way right either
10:13:07Tira Hos / Hannah Recardway as a parent if your child comes to you crying and begging you for something because they don't feel no no no no no no no no can I finish begging you that
10:13:19Tira Hos / Hannah Recardthey don't feel like like human in their own skin and you say no and then they kill themselves you you would you would feel responsible for saying no and if you say yes then you would feel
10:13:32Brian Atlasresponsible if they decide to detransition so [ __ ] either way ask question you're not oh okay well I was you basically made the argument I was about to make but like let's say they get these the puberty blockers and then
10:13:44Brian Atlasthey regret it later on in life and then they self- delete themselves because of the the regret that they feel over the mistake they made that you as a parent allowed I mean so it can go both ways I
10:13:55Brian Atlasmean it can go both ways wouldn't it be but wouldn't it make sense then to air on the side of how about you wait until you're 18 and then look you're legally an adult you can be you're emancipated
10:14:08Brian Atlasyou can make those decisions you can't undo the puberty you can't undo but the same can be applied to D detransitioners you can't undo it's it's easier that way than it is to try and because it's I
10:14:20Tira Hos / Hannah Recardmean the you you'd have they' for men they'd have to go and get lots of bone shaving surgeries because of the puberty where that wouldn't be required you know
10:14:31Tira Hos / Hannah Recardsome some skin removal some fat removal breast tissue that's different than shaving off parts of your [ __ ] all that [ __ ] is not weird and unnatural it's all [ __ ] up man what are you talking about have you have you seen a
10:14:43Eric Hutchinsfeminization surgery for a men it's extremely painful and that which is why we shouldn't do it which is make on point it's all extremely painful cuz it's not natural you're not supposed to be getting cut on to change your agender just because somebody brought it up don't mean his [ __ ] [ __ ] is I'm not
10:14:56Eric Hutchinstalking about bottom surgery I'm talking about f is you're not supposed to be getting cut on unless noted to get cutless you
10:15:05Toni Jhave not for that we we agree to dis the hell
10:15:14Brian Atlasagree go on I got two hour we're going to okay guys uh let's see here oh boy who we're going to raid uh we're going to okay on Twitch we're going to raid ampy um let's see here okay we're all
10:15:26Brian Atlascaught up on all that this is one of the wildest panels it was good like it was a really interesting conversation um super interesting conversation um and I just
10:15:37Brian Atlaswanted like I know I disagree with some of you here there's no bad blood at all it makes for an interesting conversation um I have no ill will towards it even if it got heated in certain moments um those of you you disagreed I actually appreciate that you
10:15:50Brian Atlasdisagreed I think conversations like this are necessary uh you know if we just go in our separate bubbles never have conversations it just get things get very polarized so I think conversations like this are important I
10:16:03Brian Atlaswant to thank you want to thank you want to thank any of you guys who had a disagreement with me take none of it personally whatsoever you guys were super dope you made for awesome entertaining fun Lively Lively show so
10:16:15Brian Atlasthank you guys so much uh let me just get this wrapped up here okay uh let's see uh uh okay GG well played to the panel last call hit the like button please on
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10:17:02Brian Atlasuh let's pull up the we're going to raid ay he's playing World of Warcraft uh or wait he's on retail oh
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10:17:21Unknownon it's actually not that crazy because can you lower the I um I ra loged on this Hunter all through um wrath pretty much guys he's playing it looks like he was playing
10:17:32Brian Atlashardore most my PL is from classic okay yeah see uh I have 252 days on this character and only 25 in Wrath of the Lich King oh he might be ending his stream soon I'll I'll rate him nevertheless uh
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10:17:55Brian Atlasnow oh I should have said tell him to like uh whatever on
10:18:14Unknownuh 252 is a lot 250 is not a lot for 20 years this is five years what is this character yo
10:18:25Unknownwhatever with the raid welcome in guys I was just I was just uh going through my character this is a really this is my classic
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