She Sent Her Ex Gorilla ?! Body Count RESETS After 7 Years?! Single Since 2007?! | Dating Talk #209

Date: 2024-10-30

Duration: 7h 43m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLeah (Ukraine/DT211)>

TTiffany (DT215)>

MMegan (DT209)>

EElizabeth (DT209)>

SSylvie (DT209)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Cena(guest)

SPEAKER_03Silly (Sylvie)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Leah(guest)

SPEAKER_05Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_06Megan(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Elizabeth(guest)

SPEAKER_13Tony(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alex(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteCena claims projected income of six figures per month from OnlyFans (started 2 months ago). 'I started two months ago... six figures so that's your projected projected income yeah from the rate that I'm going.'

ControversyLeah accuses TTS donors of toxic masculinity for comments about Cena. Andrew spends several minutes arguing that Leah's generalization about men is actually toxic femininity by her own definition.

QuoteBrian asks Leah: 'You're 21, will you be better looking at 31?' — Leah says yes. Cena says she wants a nose job and will be most attractive at 29, still better-looking than now at 59.

QuoteAlex reveals ex cheated on her with her doppelganger, convinced her to cut hair in a bob, then dated a third lookalike. 'He sent my extensions back in because I don't want to be a triplet anymore.'

QuoteTony says: 'penis size cancels out body count' — then clarifies she meant the reverse. Extended discussion on whether sex acts cancel each other out.

QuoteTony reveals single since 2007: 'You've been single since the Bush Administration. Yes. George Bush. That's true. That's affirmative.' — 17 years single.

ControversyAndrew and Alex heated argument about collective standards for unattractive women. Andrew: 'You're dumb as a box of [blank] rocks' — Alex fires back that if women are dying less in combat roles it means they do the job better.

ControversyAndrew quotes Ephesians 5:22 to argue Tiffany (Christian) should be willing to bow to her husband. Tiffany: 'I'm not your maid, I'm your wife.' Extended theological debate about submission, worship vs respect.

QuoteBrian on first date requirements: woman must do laundry on a washboard, hang clothes on clothesline, churn butter within 3 days, and knit a cardigan. 'She has to be a virgin dwarf under 25 who knows how to knit and churn butter.'

QuoteAlex bows to Brian on camera. Then champagne bottle struggles — Brian cannot open 3 consecutive bottles (15-minute ordeal). Cena opens one easily after Brian fails.

OtherTony (walkoff) announces she has to leave at 12:30am, has been waiting 20 minutes. Brian: 'That's kind of rude but okay.' Tony leaves before the final roast session.

QuoteBrian's hypergamy/makeup speech: women use makeup to inflate dating value, chase men out of their league, end up in situationships, then marry 'suckers' in 30s and divorce within 3 years. 'That's why we have two 10s at the table.'

Topics Discussed

Introductions

All 8 guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian also teases Andrew Wilson joining later.

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with whom. Tony reveals she's been single since 2007 (17 years). Leah reveals she dated a woman for 2.5yr. Silly reveals her open relationship. Megan reveals ex died of overdose.

Cena's OnlyFans Career

Extended discussion about Cena (18yo) doing OnlyFans to pay for engineering school and provide for parents. Panel debates ethics, parental approval, Asian family dynamics, income claims (~6 figures/month projected), plans to become influencer. Tony encourages her to stick with engineering. TTS donors weigh in heavily.

Self-Ratings (1-10 Looks)

Panel rates their own looks 1-10. Andrew (calling in) joins and asks probing questions about whether guests can describe an unattractive woman. Debate about delusion vs confidence. Brian shows old Instagram photos. Age advancement AI filter used on Discord. Discussion of whether women will look better in 10/20/30 years.

Dating Stories & Pre-Show Notes

Each guest's notable dating stories/hot takes: Alex moved to Oklahoma for cheating ex (doppelganger story). Tony's obese blind date, bad long-distance year-long phone relationship, 6-kid man. Megan's car fire ex story, sending gorilla poop. Silly's open relationship and GameStop boyfriend. Fish pick debate.

Toxic Masculinity Debate

Leah accuses certain donor comments of toxic masculinity. Andrew rebuts: is her generalization about men toxic femininity? Extended back-and-forth about definitions. Leah clarifies she was addressing specific comments about Cena as a woman doing OnlyFans.

Monogamy & Open Relationships

Silly asks why monogamy is 'the way to go.' Andrew argues open relationships fail 95% of the time. Discussion of Silly's open relationship structure. Andrew explains why monogamy creates societal stability. Silly's previous open relationship ended when boyfriend found another woman.

Cultural Nationalism & Dating Within Culture

Tiffany's hot take: date within your culture and nationality. Andrew frames it as 'cultural nationalism.' Japan example. Debate about whether this is racist. Alex disagrees. Tiffany clarifies: Americans should date Americans (assimilated). Discussion of non-English speakers in America.

Only Men Should Make Family Decisions

Tiffany's hot take: men should make family decisions (for benefit of family not themselves). Andrew debates this, argues man's sacrifice (dying for family) justifies leadership. Debate on man laying down his life vs woman's role. Tony asks about income earners and submission.

Sex as Duty in Marriage

Panel debate: is sex a duty/obligation in marriage? All guests say yes with caveats. Andrew poses: woman on chemotherapy — still obligated? Discussion gets nuanced. Jake donor asks: if wife declines sex and man cheats, is she to blame?

Election / Voting Debate

Panel reveals voting intentions. Tiffany won't vote (no point). Tony voted Chase Oliver first, Trump second (Alaska ranked choice). Silly can't vote (Belgian). Andrew argues third-party voting is futile — two-party system inevitable due to collective power dynamics. Upcoming election co-stream announced (Nov 5 Election Day).

Bowing to Your Man

Brian shows bow video of ex-girlfriend. Panel reacts. Tony has softened since first seeing the bow argument. Most women say they would bow for the right man. Tiffany objects (not a maid). Andrew quotes Ephesians 5:22. Discussion of submission, sacrament, Asian wife bowing culture. Andrew: choking analogy (reciprocal obligations).

Champagne Pop Spectacle

Donor sends champagne. Brian struggles to open multiple champagne bottles for 15 minutes (becomes a running bit). Cena opens one easily. Andrew mocks Brian relentlessly. Eventually a different brand opens. Cheers to donor 'Walking Rosco.'

Women in Military / Male Sacrifice

Andrew's argument: men collectively die for women; women don't die for men collectively. Alex counters with women in military. Elizabeth (Army vet) provides insider perspective on women's combat roles. Andrew argues women are physically incapable of same roles. Jessica Lynch cited as example of why women shouldn't be in combat zones.

Hypergamy & Dating Market

Brian's speech on how makeup artificially inflates women's dating market value, causing them to chase men out of their league. Alex pushes back claiming she makes ~$800k/year (disputed by Andrew and Brian given 20K Instagram followers). Body count discussion as context.

Makeup Debate

Andrew and Brian debate whether makeup is deceptive. Panel watches Asian transformation video. Makeup wipes challenge — no one takes off their makeup on camera. Leah admits she wore makeup to fit in with other women at the show. Discussion of deception threshold, men being disadvantaged (can't wear makeup). Brian argues makeup inflates women's dating market value.

Body Count & Alpha Widow Discussion

Panel gives body counts. Brian discusses alpha widow concept applying to men sexually. Discussion of whether virginity is better for a man. Cena and Tony give their body counts.

Andrew Wilson's Outro

Andrew leaves the show (~7:18). Brian announces Andrew will be on Sunday show and Election Day co-stream. Panel thanks Andrew.

Transcript

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TTS/Donationsif you were a model that that would be very key to the adver donated $100 wait if she paid in cash why did

TTS/Donationsshe have to prove income that sounds like a Lisa financing just saying okay

Brian AtlasH interesting how that works BTW by the way TTS has been lowered to 69 guys if you want to get a TTS thank

Brian Atlasyou oal good to see you back in the chat man good to see you back in the chat uh I don't know is there anything else on this makeup thing I just you know what I mean know I

Brian Atlasmean nah okay one sec guys I'm just getting the things adjusted I have a few more notes Here we have to finish up uh so Andrew Wilson oh really quick um do you

Brian Atlasguys think men are insecure if they care about body count starting with [Music] you no I think you have a right to care I don't know

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Cenaokay no I don't think it's insecure of them mhm no not necessarily I no it's not insecure you have a right to know if that's something that's important to you

Brian Atlasno no no oh wait this girl's gone uh we'll wait until she's back then on this one so guys TTS has been lowered $69 TTS if

Brian Atlasyou want to get one in guys also like the video oh we got to do twitch really quick we haven't done that in a while uh go ahead and pull up the twitch guys go to Twitch wait did we do the last makeup

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Brian Atlasthink body count matters me why what I'm at the mic or do yeah do you think uh oh do you think men are insecure if they care about the woman's body

Megancount no but it's like they shouldn't be a hypocrite like if you have a body count you can judge another girl for having a high body count I feel like I but I forgot who I'm

Brian Atlastalking actually think look uh I'm not in favor of male promiscuity but I actually don't see anything wrong with a man who like let's say he had a promiscuous past he slept with 100 women I don't think he's obliged to then go

Brian Atlasand have to date a woman who herself was promiscuous or who matches his past promiscuity he can make an assessment and be like yeah dating like perm ous

Brian Atlaswomen they're suboptimal to date I'd rather date I'm going to pick the most optimal woman I can the same way that women pick the most Optimum choice that they can make when it comes to who they decide to sleep with or partner with or

Brian Atlaswhatever so I I don't think there's actually anything wrong there with the guy being a hoe no I didn't say that I object to male promiscuity and I object to uh female promiscuity but if a guy was promiscuous I don't think he's

Brian Atlasobliged to then have to only date promiscuous women he can be like no I want to date a virgin so you think that um a promiscuous girl

Tonyshould date a guy die alone yes no just kidding Brian no one's obliged to date anyone I am kidding yeah exactly nobody's obliged to date anybody [ __ ] if

MeganI want I mean whether they can get them or not is another question but so what was your question honestly I know you confus me with your gaslighting but I think a guy who is a hoe should not dat

Meganof Virgin no e make an argument against it why not because it's like are are virgins desirable yeah so why can't he desire a virgin if he can get her what's the isue because he's the furthest thing from it

Brian AtlasI mean I guess yin and yang but like how tall are you 53 how tall of a guy do you want to date didn't you say you want like a tall black man what's up Desmond by the way he he only dates

Meganblack women just saying my my thing of life my Mantra is if he ain't 63 he's not for me you're you're yeah3 63 that's like 1% of dudes or some [ __ ] 3% I don't

Brian Atlasknow I get lucky oh my goodness wait okay so hold on I'll just I got to move it on but uh body

Brian Atlascount I say if you do I do what's your body count Bri okay starting with you

Brian Atlasbody range range give us range I'm cool I'm I'm cool okay can you do it how much

Silly (Sylvie)two two okay wait two body count two body count do we have a video of of losing your virginity who on only fans

Silly (Sylvie)what do you have a video of losing your virginity on only fans then no I didn't lose my virginity on only fan that was so bad just like came out but I have to

CenaI have no I have to I have to agree with Brian on the body count doesn't apply for men man because in in my theory is like if a man has gone through a lot of

Cenawomen then he'll know who he wants to date but if there's like a man who say he he's never he's a virgin or he only has one body count and he dates you don't you think he'll be more suspicious

Silly (Sylvie)or like he'll crave what other girls feel like does that sense I do not disagree with with a guy I think it's probably better for a guy to not have

Brian Atlasexperienced other women yeah really yeah cuz like here's why like cuz cuz there's this concept in like the I don't consider myself this really the red pill space where like women can get there's

Brian Atlasthis term called Alpha Widow yeah so like once a girl has been with like a certain caliber of guy yeah if she dates a guy who doesn't like say she breaks up with him right and she moves on to

Brian Atlasanother dude if that next guy doesn't meet that caliber yeah she's going to be dissatisfied in the relationship right and they say this applies to women which it does but I actually think it can also

Brian Atlasapply to men on the sexual front too yeah for example for example I think I am I don't know what the [ __ ] term would be Alpha widowed when it comes to

Brian Atlassex with women I'm Alpha Widow now I could look if a a new girl doesn't meet the same standard I've

Meganexperienced I can stay with her you know but it would have been better if I had not had certain experiences wait what's her body count again don't worry about it chase

Brian Atlasthe dragon the rest of your life I'll tell you what look I'm being kind okay let me let me be more precise so there are some women bless their

Brian Atlashearts who are very orgasmic like that [ __ ] is kind of insane like boom boom like literally

Brian Atlasthree seconds 10 seconds later 10 seconds later 10 seconds later oh God you think it's the majority of wom no it's rare okay trust me yeah and you

Meganwould know cuz you have a high body C she a knows

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Cenasaying these women that that can come like 20 times super quick super easy just saying so you're saying if you

Cenahad a body count of one or if you were a virgin you wouldn't think about other women like how their body felt and stuff well if I didn't stumble AC like I

Brian Atlaswas playing Russian roulette with my dick wait that sounds weird like I I I not like what the [ __ ] Andrew don't bro it's like Russian Roulette like and then

Cenayou stum but in like a good game of Russian Roulette where instead of dying you land on a chick with like okay a magical [ __ ] you know what I mean well she doesn't have a magical

Brian Atlas[ __ ] okay she has like a like just a regular a regular girl regular [ __ ] okay okay and that was your first that's how the women get very uncomfortable with this topic because they don't have

Cenathey might not have the magical [ __ ] do you have magical dick period no it's average go ahead well well say that was like your first you know that's how you lost your

Cenavirginity like to an average woman I guess would you or would you not crave and want to feel what other [ __ ] felt like what do you

Cenamean what do you mean so I lose my virginity to average you lose your yeah you lose your virginity to average [ __ ] okay would you or would you not not wonder what other [ __ ] felt like

Cenabecause that's your first am I am I married to this woman no you're in a relationship though I don't think so like maybe I don't

Brian Atlasknow would you still watch watch GN I don't watch corn in a relationship what yeah I don't watch porn if I'm in a relationship oh my God I don't masturbate either what well okay I don't

Silly (Sylvie)know you just not [ __ ] your boyfriend or what's going on yeah I'm having sex if I'm in a relationship how how long is your longest relationship how's that I don't know how that's relevant but five years five

Silly (Sylvie)years like in in the last year did you have like how many times a week did you have sex well look I know you have a dead bedroom in your two-year relationship but yeah no but sex

Brian Atlasyes like are you just not [ __ ] what's going on chill out bro yeah I don't masturbate watch porn it's like one to respect my girlfriend and then two it [ __ ] it [ __ ] up your

Silly (Sylvie)brain if you're watching that [ __ ] I don't think so but if that's your choice that I'm fine M it's your choice no I leave it all for

Silly (Sylvie)her and yeah okay okay good for

Silly (Sylvie)you what were we talking about do you guys watch for masturbate when you're in relationship or not no I

Brian Atlasrarely do like ever like maybe no I tell my girlfriend you can't even if she was mastur masturbating before you got to stop if you're with me oh my God you got

Brian Atlasto save that bu P build that pent up sexual whatever [ __ ] unleash it you got to unleash it I don't think that's

Brian Atlasnormal no you you she's got to cut that [ __ ] out she can be sexually frustrated and then she can unleash that frustration on and near my penis okay oh

Brian Atlasare you in a relationship oh did I say that oh did you say that I'm asking I I can't discl I I don't disclose that on the podcast cuz I got stalkers oh are

Brian Atlasyou [ __ ] huh just in general are you I don't disclose any details are you entering anyone's okay am I entering anyone's V vaginas or I I don't know I'm

Leaha I'm a virgin yeah okay what was the question I don't remember I have no idea I don't know what were you talking about what oh body count yeah body count I'm not going to let you guys off the hook body count

Tonyrange come on 10 plus I we literally saying body counts oh two two two okay 13 okay between 1 and 99 and anything more than 7 years old falls off your credit score

Meganwait Haram bro okay zero zero okay was question body count

Meganum like no more over 9,000 sorry no that that was Damian who pressed

Andrew Wilsonthat I would say no one's body count that's more than Brian's what the [ __ ] okay oh okay that's that's a fair

Andrew Wilsonanswer so what is that ex we have to ask ran I don't well no you just you just said that it's not any higher than his that's fine what is that M I feel like

Meganhisz is like three three

Elizabethdigits uh body count I'm mared so one yeah the only one that matters come on

Brian AtlasRange no I don't say unless you say zero zero yeah I'm a virgin okay what's your answer no I'm literally virgin yo Daman am I a

Brian Atlasvirgin yeah yeah see Yo Desmond am I am I a virgin yeah see has that's zero I'm a zero what's your body count I I said I'm a virgin what the [ __ ]

Brian Atlasbro okay good talk wait what about him he didn't answer Habibi khabibi did didn't you just say that so what about him he didn't answer oh I heard Habibi okay [ __ ]

Brian Atlasum body count no his who's oh Andrews go ahead Andrew he's married so married what do

TTS/Donationsyou mean yeah I guess people don't count Devon Jackson donated $69 quick maths 800k plus only 20K

TTS/Donationsfollowers plus only 300 likes and 20 comments per post equals you selling but we all know it I'll tell you what though there's more coming in by the way I'll tell you I'll tell you what my body

TTS/Donationscount is if you tell me yours and we actually believe you I'm my body count is literally one what the legendary trash $69 thank

TTS/Donationsyou man baby girl cuming aside you look better without makeup also your right shoulder strap fell off I died for second also every time you scrunch your

TTS/Donationsnose at me guaranteed forehead kiss girl stop who's baby girl this one right

TTS/Donationshere smoke in Suna donated $69 if only fans was shut down as well as dating apps what would you pick up as a profession prostitution is illegal

Brian Atlasgoing around the panel oh also really quick multiply it by three and that's the real number for the body count of the people so I guess Tiffany still zero like the math or whatever so yours is like nine

TTS/Donationsthe real tricks donated $69 you don't understand how much models make depending on jobs location 800k is

TTS/Donationsa lot but not unrealistic and she is pretty hot she is hot she she's

Brian Atlashot wait hold on I have to go the intro really quick hold on sorry s

TTS/Donationswhat's up Andrew you probably your viewers probably heard that oh my god did this one come jackm donated $69 can we hear more from green blue

TTS/Donationstats respectfully and gamer cool hair BTW just noticed I kind of want to hear more of what they have to say rather

Brian Atlasthan the yak back 10 yak we need to hear more from Tiffany about what

Tonyabout oh I know let's talk to Andrew about about um how men do everything better than women that's that can't that one sec one sec one sec one sec hold on hold on let me try to get through the

Brian Atlasnotes Here a littleit uh but there was a message from smok and S suner apps what would you pick up as a profession oh if only fans was shut down as well as well as dating apps what would you pick up as

Cenaa profession she's the only girl who has only fans so I can really only ask her engineering mechanical

Brian Atlasengineering right mean mechanical engineering okay all right uh here let me get through the notes Here going back to you uh we'll have to try to run these through these quickly because uh we're

Brian Atlasgoing a bit over time here uh where is it uh men are not the best at everything men are not the best at

Andrew Wilsoneverything Andrew quick 30 second response and then yeah so that's not the argument so this is just a it's very standard that people will reframe my

Andrew Wilsonargument because uh they don't like the entailment that my argument is correct because they usually are so the argument is just this that women uh are they can

Andrew Wilsonreproduce men cannot reproduce and so they're always going to be better in the position of reproduction than men because they're the only ones who can do it but when it comes to jobs and

Andrew Wilsonoccupation there's no jobs or occupation that women occupy that men could not occupy and do it just as well as women do but there are jobs that men have in

Andrew Wilsonoccupations that women will not be able to do as well as they do jobs and occupations only okay MH um sorry I have to limit the responses here can I ask about one profession go ahead have I

Tonyheard you say before that women are better liars and if they are would that mean they would be better undercover agents yeah I don't think that they're

Andrew Wilsonbetter Liars uh I just think they lie more okay you think women lie more than men yes yeah makeup such a No in fact in

Andrew Wilsonmakeup is a lie in fact listen I can demonstrate this very quickly I can demonstrate this very quickly and I think every woman on the panel will agree with me women lie to each other constantly

Andrew Wilsonfor self-esteem boost so they'll either omit right or they'll tell each other that they look beautiful when they don't look beautiful they'll tell each other that they're great when they're not great uh they will tell each other all

Andrew Wilsonsorts of things which are completely and totally false in order to create social cohesion men don't do that we literally don't do that if a man looks like [ __ ] and I notice that he looks like [ __ ] I'll literally look at

Tonyhim and say bro you look like [ __ ] dog [ __ ] and he'll usually look at me and go yeah women don't do that boom roed that's something that I wanted to ask I've misinterpreted what we don't remember what said we remember what we

Brian Atlasthink about what we hear uh you said online dating is trash in this digital world is what is keeping so many alone together I don't feel like you can get to know someone via messaging at all and it's not until you're in person you can get a sense of what someone is like I move from messaging to a date fairly

Brian Atlasquickly because I hate messaging back and forth with people I don't know yeah yeah we've talked about that you said you've been online twice this year and it feels more and more like a reject club we talked about that I'm not a botom feeder I'm not going to do it

Brian Atlasanymore I never wanted to do in the first place and I don't want to that to be my story anyway yeah I want to meet someone in real life okay you said so many liberals can flate wait hold on

Tonyyeah and this has kind of come up a couple times people so many liberals can flate femaleness or maleness with other

Tonycharacteristics or traits and I think that that's what makes it so enticing for some women to treat their sexuality like

Tonyit's a commodity which is very very dangerous game to play because as soon as you come out of fire sex you can never get it back and furthermore I

Tonythink it's also this um uh it's also dangerous because it's what has turned into this whole gender

Tonyideology which is just all lies and it's just not based in reality or truth because when if uh if people like to talk about how uh the feminine is just

Tonyyour expression of what Womanhood looks like it's a performance you're conflating your femaleness with another characteristic or trait and being female

Tonyisn't carrying a purse and putting on makeup being female is your nature and um you should hold your sexuality sacred and not commodify your sexuality and

TTS/Donationsmake sure that it and there's a distinction the legendary trash P donated $69 you have socks on that is a problem how am I ever going to see those

TTS/Donationsgrippers if you keep them covered girl you know where to find me discord.gg whatever come see me for a temple kiss wait legendary trash Pand

Brian AtlasI'll do you a solid uh you over here can do a double bicep w nice do tricep

Brian Atlastricep it's not really seeing F my oh oh oh it's seeing right here yeah that's a good one wow all right cool um going to you actually uh as a Ukrainian woman you

Brian Atlasmoved to Los Angeles in 2021 your dating experiences have been challenging in Los Angeles you haven't had a successful relationship so far the woman you dat

Leahwas in not in the US correct she was Ukrainian but in the US no no no she was from Ukraine and she never moved here okay but you've been single for 2 years mhm okay and uh you said the main

Brian Atlaschallenges you faced with men in Los Angeles have been differences in a sense of responsibilities loyalty values and goals there's often a significant gap between my personality and the

Brian Atlasindividuals you've met in Los Angeles yeah and you said you've been single for two years mhm you've been celibate for two years no oh when's the

Leahlast time you it was about yesterday no no no no no wow what was your last time I feel like

Meganyou need it I'm a virgin it was about it was pumped the brakes over there it's not going to be when was yours I feel like you needed uh who asked you Andrew you smoke

Meganyour cigarette let's answer yeah you were saying go ahead yeah it was it was about half a year ago so like six months ago

Brian Atlasmm half a year is six months usually sorry the math it's wow you know champagne really did you good I am a lightweight I get I'm still drunk

Leahactually okay and there's still half in there all right you can you can share with me I'm Ukrainian me too okay

Brian Atlasuh they drink a lot I think um what what do you mean when you say uh difference in loyalty

Leahwhat I sensed not only from men but from both men and women um during my stay in the United States specifically in

LeahCalifornia La um I noticed the different sense of the responsibility as it is um

Leahwhen uh I interact with the girls that possibly could become my friend or the men that could possibly become my

Leahpartner I often notice that their whole perception of the responsibility that they should possibly

Leahtake um within their interaction with me is different from my expectations and my standards I am usually much more

Leahcommitted to either friendship or relationship I just treat this whole Bond differently from them

Leahunfortunately so I'm including um poam moris relationship and that that I did not want and oh you've been in the poly relationship no no no no no what

Leahwhat I'm saying is that it doesn't really fit mhm my personality and this is what often times theand that I was getting to know closer here they wanted

Leahit or even the Friendship again I'm not even talking about the dating experience right now but just the regular girls specifically La girls you know

Leahum the level of their responsibility for our friendship and their willing willingness to support to be there for

TTS/Donationsme the real tricks donated $69 red smile world is intending you are

Leahstill in the W I mean facts but you didn't need to interrupt me anyways do you understand what I mean

TTS/Donationsyeah yeah that was good yeah thank you I I have a question ctxr donated $69 blonde hair dressed as a red flag

TTS/Donationsonesie men with a camera taking your Instagram photos doesn't make you a model like Drake said don't tell me that you model if you ain't been in voted boom

Brian Atlasroasted the roast session hasn't even started do you want to respond you you okay yeah I'm good I don't do one do you do okay mhm you want a

Brian AtlasSnickers you're not yourself applesauce not yourself when you're hungry I'm good finger perhaps do you want to talk about it

Andrew Wilsonno red flag On's kind of a flex what the [ __ ] uh okay all right I got a question about a deal breaker here I I'm just wondering so anytime I go out to dinner

Andrew Wilsonwith my wife and then I had to think about this cuz she's pointed this out for years but I just you know basically ignore everything she says like a good

Andrew Wilsonhusband uh but even thinking before her right anytime I go out to eat with a woman I basically finish my food in 2

Andrew Wilsonminutes so the food gets there and then I eat it in 2 minutes it's just gone and then the woman is left with his full plate of food and it they just take [ __ ] forever to eat I don't know why I don't know why women take forever to

Andrew Wilsoneat but they take forever to eat so is that a deal breaker like if I was on The Dating Market in the year 2024 and I went off to dinner with a woman and they the food comes you know it's a big plate

Andrew Wilsonof food and then I just inhale mine because that's what I do literally two minutes the food is gone uh does that upset women do they get mad about that are Are Men supposed to past themselves are we supposed to just cut our food in

Brian Atlaslike little teeny tiny bites and and eat that [ __ ] that way I'm curious I'm I'm like genine question you know what we're actually going to kind of put this to

Brian Atlasthe test um Cena can you um one bite Rice Krispy

Brian Atlastreat dude she's struggling almost as much as I struggle with that champagne but it is true Andrew that's actually a really good point there's this funny video of a guy who like he

Brian Atlaswas sitting next to his girlfriend and they had the same mm no no no you you can only do it in one bite go I have

Background[Laughter] oh yes she did it

Andrew Wilsonlet's wow she's got a talent there Andrew this is the perfect woman according to the stop it Bri stop it it's ridiculous just like just here would you shove this in

Andrew Wilsonlook it's her it's her Talent okay she does tick to she she's going to choke to death I'm making her laugh too hard choke on a rice Andrew you're going to

Andrew Wilsonget me a lawsuit here oh boy yeah so I mean genuine question so literally I'm not kidding when I say this that's I we were just I don't remember we were going we were going over to the hospital to

Andrew Wilsonvisit her dad and we stopped off at a Denny's right and so they you know I ordered like this massive place of food with like eggs bacon and sausage and then I had a side of pancakes with it so

Andrew WilsonI we sit down at the table and I swear it wasn't too minutes this entire all of it gone she still K and she still had the whole plate of food how it's not a

Andrew Wilsondeal breaker Andrew did you just like War it down really quick cuz I I eat super fast yeah I know like remember so we were leaving whatever Studio we went over and we got these Burgers right so

Andrew Wilsonwe sit down we bullshitted for like 30 minutes while they made the burgers the burgers come out they were gone in 2 minutes and then we were you know we were so basically the entire uh dinner

Andrew Wilsonthat we went to leaving the whatever Studio took 2 minutes it just took it took us to the food was all gone and we were we were up and up and walking right is that a are you supposed to do is that like good deorum on a date I don't know

Andrew WilsonI haven't been in the dating Market in years and years but is it just bad to cor him on a date if I went out on a date with a chick and I was like hey you want to go to this nice restaurant they brought this big giant steak to both of

Andrew Wilsonus and I just inhaled that thing in 2 minutes would that be a problem ladies that's a question for the ladies I don't think so no it's not a

Leahproblem I truly believe that you need to eat exactly in the pace that you are comfortable with and uh I mean if you appreciate that woman you will wait for a little bit the pace that I'm

Leahcomfortable with yeah that I think it's kind of weird for you to to match someone's pace of eating why would you do that that's

Andrew Wilsoncooked that's funny but then okay can can you tell me why the [ __ ] women eat so slow I don't I actually don't understand it I'm like there's a video I don't I don't get it you're not you you know you don't you don't have to like

LeahI'm here to explain that first of all we're trying to eat aesthetically pleasantly for you you know we're trying to not mess it up this is one of the

Leahmain reasons why usually womenat a little slower than you guys do the second thing maybe we Yap a little more

Leahthan you do during that dinner you know um maybe we do follow the recommendations of that nutritionist that we had a consultation with that

TTS/Donationssays oh you got to really chew like 30 times music donated $69 I have a video for this 1 Timothy 21 to15 and also 1

TTS/DonationsTimothy 612 12 can Andrew please tell me what this means wait Andrew before you do besides the Ten Commandments I also try to follow the Bill of Rights Andrew

Brian Atlasbefore you do I have a video for us can you pull it

Brian Atlasup it's it's fine and sometimes Tik Tok gets bugs so just do it not f11 when uh window's

Brian Atlasfine okay go ahead play it trying to match my girlfriend's eating pace

Brian Atlasso Andrew you're going to love this

Andrew Wilsonone I feel so bad for this guy exactly how I feel like that would have been gone already I would it would have all been

Brian Atlasgone but this is exactly what you're talking about Andrew so he's what I'm talking about he's intentionally trying to match her eating Pace I had a girlfriend who's just like this man well it looks like she's watching something

Brian Atlasand he's just watching her so even dude even if you're watching some I eat faster when I'm watching something that word just looks so good it's distracting where's that burger

Andrew Wilsonfrom it does look homemade doesn't it why do they take forever to eat I don't get it my wife always like did you want to taste your food you know so I'm one of

Andrew Wilsonthose right I don't eat a lot but when I do eat I eat a big portion right so I'm one of those guys wait why is all of your suggested videos the same girl talking about me right now you know just

Andrew Wilsonwait your turn right the's over here for a second talking about me so anyway one of those guys eat the big meal one big meal a day and I just consume it in

Andrew Wilsonseconds right it's just it's just gone now I feel like every guy I've ever gone to lunch with or whatever eats at about the same paage lightning right it's just gone I don't know why women eat so slow

Brian AtlasAndrew your response to the TTS that came in Andrew please tell me what this means the Timothy Timothy verse Oh can't hear you Andrew can't hear you I'd have to pull the verses up

TTS/Donationsand read them uh here I'll play it again I don't know if it helps but perceptions music

TTS/Donationsdonated $69 my favorite Bible verses 1 Timothy 21-15 and also 1 Timothy 6:12 can Andrew please tell me what this means because

TTS/Donationsbesides the Ten Commandments I also try to follow the Bill of Rights Andrew I don't know this just sounds like trolling nonsense I don't even know what the [ __ ] that means besides payments I follow the Bill of Rights one

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Brian AtlasRoach claws just start over and repent false advertisement is real one more zero thank you so much for the TTS man really appreciate it thank you everybody else for all the ttss do you have a response to

Brian Atlasthis um going to you Elizabeth your notes Here your husband and you both served in the same Balian and you never knew he had interacted with me or I had met him a couple times before we started

Brian Atlasdating but we got engaged 4 months after the first date married 3 months later um what branch of the military were you guys in army army army why why you say why you say like that Andrew Army Andrew

Brian Atlaswhy you because she said she was an 88 Mike that's an army allocation for MOS M you talking [ __ ] about the Army Andrew no oh okay uh you think it's interesting

Brian Atlasthat we seem to have moved from from a pimp culture in the early 2000s to the 30 fo culture we are currently in yeah I definitely think that in the early 2000s

Elizabeththere was a lot more focus on like pimping culture so even in the music um and then I think with the

Elizabethemerging of some female rap artist we've come into this culture of empowering um this kind of Hope 304

Elizabethculture um um and I think it's a little bit problematic po culture real poor culture but I do I think it's a little bit problematic because um not only are we as adults like consuming this but

Elizabethlike young girls are too and I think that's why we are in the situation where we have young girls becoming of age um and starting things like only

Brian Atlasfans true now you really quickly we can't talk about too long your biggest issue with the show biggest issue you got the biggest

Brian Atlasissue with the show this woman has a huge issue with the show not that big it's Desiree it's desire it's not the show it's Desiree really quick uh what's your issue with Desiree yeah what what's

Elizabethgoing on with Desiree my issue with Desiree is that she came on the show portraying that she is a therapist she's not um she really made cal Baptist look

Elizabethbad that's a great School um and it is rooted in Christian faith and they don't um ordain female ministers and her degree does not

Elizabethqualify for the state standards of a marriage and family therapist um and I think it's problematic to promote yourself as a relationship coach a whatever life coach whatever she is but

Elizabethand also argue with Andrew that she is of the higher authority when she really doesn't know what the [ __ ] she's talking about and then uh also the stolen dollar thing yeah and then well not even that

Elizabeththat cuz she was black she was stole she said she was in the military she's a therapist she's a sex coach she related to Hitler she's related to Hitler she

Elizabethwas an officer in the Army yeah well and that's it's the craziest story but um it just it I'm a Leo I need her to make it

Elizabeth[ __ ] make sense for me and it doesn't and I think that it's problematic she's made it an ass out of herself and think

Brian Atlasshe's an authority of what I don't know you uh you also said just moving off of Desiree situationships are just commitment issues rebranded there's a fine line between keeping things casual

Brian Atlasand avoiding commitment entirely and many people settle for gray area relationships rather than confronting their fears of attachment yeah I think that um

Elizabethsituationships are fear of commitment I also don't really see the point of like I think I said like dating for long periods of time with no commitment um I

Andrew Wilsonjust don't understand that I mean it's not for me but um everybody's going to live their life let ask you just really briefly before he moves to the next note um in modernity it almost seems

Elizabethwise for a man to fear commitment I understand that I think I'm talking more so from the perspective of a woman well they don't seem like they

Andrew Wilsonfear commitment nearly as much as men do right men seem to be the one who are moving move away from the committed relationships it seems in modernity anyway but I think modern women are

Elizabethcontributing to why men are moving away from commitment in their yeah I don't dispute that at all whether or not that that's if they have if they're running from commitment or not some of the

Elizabethactions that modern women are doing are pushing men away anyways

Brian AtlasOh I thought there was going to be more of a back and forth there okay um by the way guys TTS is now set to give me one sec guys here TTS is now set to 20 $20 TTS we're going to do a row session then we're going to wrap the show uh really

Brian Atlasquick though to finish up with your notes you also wrote that therapy talk isn't a free pass using phrases like boundaries and attachment Styles without understanding them it can feel like people are hiding behind therapy

Brian Atlaslanguage to avoid accountability or or overanalyzing every teeny issue instead of just getting to know each other yeah I think that for some reason well I

Elizabeththink that people were trying to destigmatize mental health and that kind of got ran wild with and now everybody's a narcissist now everybody's being

Elizabethgaslit everybody's lacking boundaries they all have trauma and um I think it's really harmful because I I think you

Elizabethneed to take responsibility for your trauma whatever you want to call it you need to take responsibility for that and it's not on other people to

Andrew Wilsonfix it so um and it's also a poor excuse to like can you uh can you I I agree largely with this take I would I would

Andrew Wilsonmaybe uh like to ask a question because this is mind-blowing to me I can't think of another perceived medical profession which wants to be taken seriously which

Andrew Wilsonwould ever allow Amen to speak on its behalf so in other words if somebody was sitting on the panel talking to us and saying I'm not a doctor but I'm going to explain to you exactly how the surgery

Andrew Wilsongoes or how to diagnose you with A and C conditional that you have people would say no you should defer to a physician why in the world do you think that women think that it's okay unless psychology

Andrew Wilsonitself is just basically viewed as a joke to psychoanalyze everybody that they meet it's insane to me they call them narcissist they say that they have

Andrew Wilsonpsychopathy they say that there's you know some type of borderline personality disorder they overanalyze and over psychologize everybody and I don't

Elizabethunderstand why that's allowed when in any other profession we would say no you're not qualified to make those assessments right um I mean I agree with you I think that there's an overc

Elizabethconsumption of armchair psychiatrists and therapists on Tik Tok they've done studies on that um to the point of ADHD that 100% of the videos tagged with ADHD

Elizabethawareness have misinformation or misleading information and the same with narcissism and things like that so I think people are overc consuming um mental health content and

Elizabeththey're getting the wrong information and then as such there are psychoanalyzing people but I also think it's easier think that that this that these organizations would run campaigns

Andrew Wilsonagainst this in order to not cheapen the very idea of the profession of psychology but I don't see any push back at all right people make these grandiose claims about various disorders of

Andrew Wilsonvarious people that they've diagnosed they have no training in these fields whatsoever that's incredible to me that there's so little push back though from these industries I I just wonder what your take was it's incredible to me too

ElizabethI think that there should be a regulation I well I have a couple really strong views I don't believe in life coaches um or things at coaching I it's

Elizabethan unregulated field and I think that's also contributed to the harm with the mental health um but I also don't think that we people who are not qualified to

Elizabethspeak on certain topics in general should not be able to be an authority on social media and the problem is is that on social media now if you're speaking about something people are taking it as

Elizabethadvice and um not everybody's qualified to do that okay and I didn't want to clarify something though because there was somebody on the podcast too who said that they had a bachelor's degree in

ElizabethPsychology a bachelor's degree in Psychology also does not give you any any any credentials credentials training or anything on diagnosing they

Brian Atlasdon't even talk about diagnosing in a bachelor's degree program I have a bachelor's in psychology and and a final note here for you by the way TTS is $20

Brian Atlaswe'll do a brief roast session $20 TTS through streamlabs that streamlabs.com whatever uh you also said being unhealed is not an excuse everyone has baggage

Brian Atlasbut dating shouldn't involve relying on others to fix you sometimes the best move is stepping back to work on yourself instead of jumping into a

Elizabethrelationship yeah I mean case in point what I said I'm also therapist so but um I I feel

Elizabethlike we look for others to kind of f empty spaces within ourselves sometimes and really what needs to happen is we need to step back and look at the mirror

Elizabethbecause even with therapeutic work the world is not changing around you you are changing right so that's why things like boundaries and stuff start to work because you start removing yourself from

Elizabeththose situations people are not going to change around you the world is is not a safe place unfortunately um and so you have to do the work for yourself and not put it on other people well isn't this

Andrew Wilsonuh most of this tied back to a materialist mindset of I have a some type of void or something in which I want and so therefore a material thing

Andrew Wilsonwill fill that in this case just looking at another human being as being a material object which fills the void right so this is the same concept isn't it exactly well and that's why too with even online dating sites it's like Amazon right you're going through you're

Elizabethswiping you're picking you're picking you're picking one to add to your collection or to add to your life and then you get upset in 3 four five months when it didn't fill up the void because

Andrew Wilsonyou didn't do the work and then you go on Tik Tok you have to find this uh alternative to materialism itself don't you right there's no way around that

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Brian Atlas[ __ ] guys can you roast me I need to be I Ana needs to be roasted I well real quick she wants to be yeah while there's a break uh it's 3:30 in the morning here on the east coast and I have an

Brian Atlasappointment I have to get to in the morning we are at the end of the show though Brian um but I I do have to mount out a tiny bit early tonight yeah of course appreciate you coming on the show Andrew uh shoot us over a raid I'll

Brian Atlaswelcome The Crucible crew with open arms uh thank you so much Andrew for uh joining us tonight it was a good stream no problem it was great to meet everybody on the panel it was nice to

Andrew Wilsonmeet you I I do enjoy the spirited back and force I hold no ill will towards anybody here and uh this was a this was a great set and a great show a lot of fun appreciate it y Andrew

Brian Atlashave a good night by the way guys before Andrew leaves uh oh no he's still there uh guys so we have a big guest on Sunday Andrew will be doing a Callin on Sunday

Brian Atlasuh you know assuming you know there's no hiccups with anything and then uh we H we're going to be co- streaming on Election Day November 5th on Tuesday I'll know are you going to be in studio for that by the way what's that are you

Brian Atlasgoing to be in your studio here for that yeah I'll be here and uh right we'll just basically just have you do a call in you have your stream and I'll have mine and we'll just kind of yeah sounds awesome we'll just watch what's going on

Tonywith the uh election so guys vote Trump everybody vote Trump vote Trump vote Trump anyway I got to get out of here good night Andrew meet all you good night Andrew have a good night man thank you have a good night toodles respectfully I've been I've been trying

Tonyto make it till 12:30 but respectfully my brain's been shutting down for 30 minutes and um it's a good time for me to say goodbye too while I've been up for we're wrapping up yeah like 5 10

Brian Atlasminutes okay uh just hang tight here uh tenzen here Cena you get to read these super chats Cena you're cute don't waste yourself on o Tiffany be proud of your Korean

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Brian Atlasyeah yeah Panda down he put it it's the same one oh he sent it twice okay all right thank you tenzen appreciate it guys if you want get your last minute last call guys on the row session $20

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Brian Atlasyes I actually don't like pineapple pizza but I will have it when Andrew's here just

Brian Atlasto torture him uh let's see here what yo the Cru Crucible The Crucible thank you thank you Andrew for the raid he just sent over a raid really appreciate it uh

Brian AtlasAndrew welcome everybody from The Crucible guys guys Crucible crew I know some of you have twitch accounts if you guys could so kindly follow us on Twitch because one of these days me and Andrew

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Brian Atlaswhat's going on uh can somebody see if we can like it's been four minutes since we last got Prime can somebody check from The Crucible if the you know if

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Brian Atlaswe can't show on YouTube also shout out Stiffler hash big laia matter anybody here rocking sorry did I say that out loud my

Brian Atlasbad I'm just trying to support like I I I'm just like a solidarity I'm trying to show solidarity with all the big laia

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