She Sent Her Ex Gorilla ?! Body Count RESETS After 7 Years?! Single Since 2007?! | Dating Talk #209

Date: 2024-10-30

Duration: 7h 43m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLeah (Ukraine/DT211)>

TTiffany (DT215)>

MMegan (DT209)>

EElizabeth (DT209)>

SSylvie (DT209)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Cena(guest)

SPEAKER_03Silly (Sylvie)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Leah(guest)

SPEAKER_05Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_06Megan(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Elizabeth(guest)

SPEAKER_13Tony(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alex(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteCena claims projected income of six figures per month from OnlyFans (started 2 months ago). 'I started two months ago... six figures so that's your projected projected income yeah from the rate that I'm going.'

ControversyLeah accuses TTS donors of toxic masculinity for comments about Cena. Andrew spends several minutes arguing that Leah's generalization about men is actually toxic femininity by her own definition.

QuoteBrian asks Leah: 'You're 21, will you be better looking at 31?' — Leah says yes. Cena says she wants a nose job and will be most attractive at 29, still better-looking than now at 59.

QuoteAlex reveals ex cheated on her with her doppelganger, convinced her to cut hair in a bob, then dated a third lookalike. 'He sent my extensions back in because I don't want to be a triplet anymore.'

QuoteTony says: 'penis size cancels out body count' — then clarifies she meant the reverse. Extended discussion on whether sex acts cancel each other out.

QuoteTony reveals single since 2007: 'You've been single since the Bush Administration. Yes. George Bush. That's true. That's affirmative.' — 17 years single.

ControversyAndrew and Alex heated argument about collective standards for unattractive women. Andrew: 'You're dumb as a box of [blank] rocks' — Alex fires back that if women are dying less in combat roles it means they do the job better.

ControversyAndrew quotes Ephesians 5:22 to argue Tiffany (Christian) should be willing to bow to her husband. Tiffany: 'I'm not your maid, I'm your wife.' Extended theological debate about submission, worship vs respect.

QuoteBrian on first date requirements: woman must do laundry on a washboard, hang clothes on clothesline, churn butter within 3 days, and knit a cardigan. 'She has to be a virgin dwarf under 25 who knows how to knit and churn butter.'

QuoteAlex bows to Brian on camera. Then champagne bottle struggles — Brian cannot open 3 consecutive bottles (15-minute ordeal). Cena opens one easily after Brian fails.

OtherTony (walkoff) announces she has to leave at 12:30am, has been waiting 20 minutes. Brian: 'That's kind of rude but okay.' Tony leaves before the final roast session.

QuoteBrian's hypergamy/makeup speech: women use makeup to inflate dating value, chase men out of their league, end up in situationships, then marry 'suckers' in 30s and divorce within 3 years. 'That's why we have two 10s at the table.'

Topics Discussed

Introductions

All 8 guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian also teases Andrew Wilson joining later.

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with whom. Tony reveals she's been single since 2007 (17 years). Leah reveals she dated a woman for 2.5yr. Silly reveals her open relationship. Megan reveals ex died of overdose.

Cena's OnlyFans Career

Extended discussion about Cena (18yo) doing OnlyFans to pay for engineering school and provide for parents. Panel debates ethics, parental approval, Asian family dynamics, income claims (~6 figures/month projected), plans to become influencer. Tony encourages her to stick with engineering. TTS donors weigh in heavily.

Self-Ratings (1-10 Looks)

Panel rates their own looks 1-10. Andrew (calling in) joins and asks probing questions about whether guests can describe an unattractive woman. Debate about delusion vs confidence. Brian shows old Instagram photos. Age advancement AI filter used on Discord. Discussion of whether women will look better in 10/20/30 years.

Dating Stories & Pre-Show Notes

Each guest's notable dating stories/hot takes: Alex moved to Oklahoma for cheating ex (doppelganger story). Tony's obese blind date, bad long-distance year-long phone relationship, 6-kid man. Megan's car fire ex story, sending gorilla poop. Silly's open relationship and GameStop boyfriend. Fish pick debate.

Toxic Masculinity Debate

Leah accuses certain donor comments of toxic masculinity. Andrew rebuts: is her generalization about men toxic femininity? Extended back-and-forth about definitions. Leah clarifies she was addressing specific comments about Cena as a woman doing OnlyFans.

Monogamy & Open Relationships

Silly asks why monogamy is 'the way to go.' Andrew argues open relationships fail 95% of the time. Discussion of Silly's open relationship structure. Andrew explains why monogamy creates societal stability. Silly's previous open relationship ended when boyfriend found another woman.

Cultural Nationalism & Dating Within Culture

Tiffany's hot take: date within your culture and nationality. Andrew frames it as 'cultural nationalism.' Japan example. Debate about whether this is racist. Alex disagrees. Tiffany clarifies: Americans should date Americans (assimilated). Discussion of non-English speakers in America.

Only Men Should Make Family Decisions

Tiffany's hot take: men should make family decisions (for benefit of family not themselves). Andrew debates this, argues man's sacrifice (dying for family) justifies leadership. Debate on man laying down his life vs woman's role. Tony asks about income earners and submission.

Sex as Duty in Marriage

Panel debate: is sex a duty/obligation in marriage? All guests say yes with caveats. Andrew poses: woman on chemotherapy — still obligated? Discussion gets nuanced. Jake donor asks: if wife declines sex and man cheats, is she to blame?

Election / Voting Debate

Panel reveals voting intentions. Tiffany won't vote (no point). Tony voted Chase Oliver first, Trump second (Alaska ranked choice). Silly can't vote (Belgian). Andrew argues third-party voting is futile — two-party system inevitable due to collective power dynamics. Upcoming election co-stream announced (Nov 5 Election Day).

Bowing to Your Man

Brian shows bow video of ex-girlfriend. Panel reacts. Tony has softened since first seeing the bow argument. Most women say they would bow for the right man. Tiffany objects (not a maid). Andrew quotes Ephesians 5:22. Discussion of submission, sacrament, Asian wife bowing culture. Andrew: choking analogy (reciprocal obligations).

Champagne Pop Spectacle

Donor sends champagne. Brian struggles to open multiple champagne bottles for 15 minutes (becomes a running bit). Cena opens one easily. Andrew mocks Brian relentlessly. Eventually a different brand opens. Cheers to donor 'Walking Rosco.'

Women in Military / Male Sacrifice

Andrew's argument: men collectively die for women; women don't die for men collectively. Alex counters with women in military. Elizabeth (Army vet) provides insider perspective on women's combat roles. Andrew argues women are physically incapable of same roles. Jessica Lynch cited as example of why women shouldn't be in combat zones.

Hypergamy & Dating Market

Brian's speech on how makeup artificially inflates women's dating market value, causing them to chase men out of their league. Alex pushes back claiming she makes ~$800k/year (disputed by Andrew and Brian given 20K Instagram followers). Body count discussion as context.

Makeup Debate

Andrew and Brian debate whether makeup is deceptive. Panel watches Asian transformation video. Makeup wipes challenge — no one takes off their makeup on camera. Leah admits she wore makeup to fit in with other women at the show. Discussion of deception threshold, men being disadvantaged (can't wear makeup). Brian argues makeup inflates women's dating market value.

Body Count & Alpha Widow Discussion

Panel gives body counts. Brian discusses alpha widow concept applying to men sexually. Discussion of whether virginity is better for a man. Cena and Tony give their body counts.

Andrew Wilson's Outro

Andrew leaves the show (~7:18). Brian announces Andrew will be on Sunday show and Election Day co-stream. Panel thanks Andrew.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasremember like early really I mean like 3 four you can like I think you start getting memories but I remember being dropped as a kid in China

Cenaor in no in my carry like you know those baby basket carry thingies I remember being a baby and then my uncle dropped

Brian Atlasme you were newborn you remember being a newborn a newborn like I was 1 years old I guess okay and I remember being

Tiffanydropped on your head head no in the basket oh okay yeah I think she might have like made up a memory cuz memory is super valuable like you wouldn't remember something that happened to you

Brian Atlaswhen you were 1 years old that's like insane I have no idea I just remember it like recall it I'm not sure if like someone said it to me okay um but so uh

Brian Atlasokay you were deported by your parents yeah back to uh China yeah and but you born in Canada then you came

Brian Atlasback to Canada at 4 yes okay and then your dad spoiled you yeah how so um only only child no okay how many

Cenasiblings one brother okay but how did he spoil you spoiled me as in like you know I was very everything I wanted I got in a way but also spoiled

Cename as in like protectively like he was just a very protective father and he spoiled me with stuff that I want

Cenalike he tried his best for me even if he had nothing like to me that's like called being spoiled like he would go through he would climb a mountain just

Tiffanyto like something happen to him no no okay you ask the most random question no she's like saying it like she he passed away or

Elizabethsomething I think she's speaking in past tense cuz she's talking about like her childhood yeah okay yeah

Brian AtlasTiffany um wait so okay and uh does your dad know that you do

Silly (Sylvie)o no he doesn't know no what about your mom no are your parents still together yes neither of your parents know no they

Silly (Sylvie)will now I don't think so necessarily not necessarily so nobody will recognize you who knows your

Cenaparents some might just probably won't talk to my parents about it cuz I don't think people would

Cenatalk to my parents like people who recognize me right wait so what would their reaction be if they

Cenadid find out the reaction yeah hey Mom and Dad I do porn

Cenaum I think it'd be very different with my mom and my dad cuz they're very different yeah my dad's more traditional my mom is more she goes with the flow

Cenashe goes with the flow okay so yeah what would the reactions be my dad would probably be like what the heck like why are you doing this all that stuff but

Cenaeventually to me like the way that I grew up I think they just be like you know what it's your decision it's your life you deal with your consequences if

Cenathat's what you want to do then do it and you deal with it you know cuz I'm 18 mhm would there be corporal

Brian Atlaspunishment what does that mean like would they beat you like would they would do your mom get the belt maybe maybe maybe okay

Cenaum do you have like a game plan for when they do find out I was scheming in my head I was like I was trying to say like what I could do if that did happen like running

Cenaa bunch of different scenarios I think the best thing is just stay quiet avoid the beating Avo avoid the beating yeah stay quiet yeah like don't don't tell them so if your dad uh if he was you

Brian Atlasknow you have the conversation with him he's obviously upset and he's like I want you to stop do you stop or do you just say nah I would flash my bank account maybe

Cenayou'd flash your bank account hopefully well like and what if he told you I can provide for you you said he was a provider right yeah but I think that providing like takes its turns like

Cenaobviously when I was a kid he was providing for me but now that I'm older it's my turn to provide for them okay so the money that I make will obviously help them too have you sent them any

Cenamoney or I've tried what do you mean you've tried they don't accept [Music] it I guess they just get suspicious like

Cenawhere all this money can come from I don't want to get beat that's the main thing I just don't want to get in

Brian Atlastrouble okay um nobody else here does only fans right why are you looking at me I'm just I

Leahmean I start my questions over here no I don't only fans no but you saw once no no no no no no no I recently found out

Leahthat my stereotype about only fans and about how sexualized it usually is is wrong and I I really just realized that that many people are using only fans for

Leaha regular content in order to let the people who are like actual fans of theirs to see more than they post on the

Leahsocial media but it can be normal so I definitely con I'm considering this and I already got the messages from the people that admire my content like hey

Cenahow can I donate how can I support you but with no weird [ __ ] so this is an option actually I didn't know I think though if you do want to do that maybe I think there's this thing called like

Cenapatreon is that a patreon for sure fanfix yeah yeah I don't know are you you concerned about the reputation that only fans has I am

Leahconcerned and this is the main reason why I've never had it but I'm planning on posting the videos where I'm like oh I created the only fans it's not porn like and also I want to probably edit

Leahinto the my my bio here's the link no nudes you feel me something like that so I I did not want this impression really you think people would want to click that link though cuz I feel like the whole point clicking the link is to well it's there I don't know I'm I got to try

Brian Atlasit but I'm definitely not mm I'm not doing the exposive wait so you've already created the account or yeah it's empty oh so you have the only fans that you've just point of no return

Leahyou're an only fans girl yeah but there's nobody there it's too late too late [ __ ] no followers yet okay just create

Leahit huh but you're not going to post porn on there like I mean you might as well post it somewhere else then cuz like it's there's a stigma no offense to

Leahyou no I do not want to trust me I considered that of course there there have been at least five times in my life when I I was thinking huh maybe maybe I

Brian Atlascan sell the explicit content but five times you thought about that yeah about five wait question for the whole panel here let's go I know none of you besides her have the UN only fans but have you

Brian Atlasthought have you thought sure about doing an only fans absolutely absolutely what about about you no T Tiffany NOP no yes

Tiffanyyes think about words you think about it I kind of agree with that I think I agree with that well I think most men like like you imagine it but not with

Tiffanythe possibility of you actually doing it oh so you did Imagine It Tiffany I think everyone does what was it's so popular I you don't think about that oh okay go into details because like you know

Alexyou're not going to do it but you just imagine it word I think that like personally like I have lots of friends who do it and um when you hear the

Alexamount of money that they're making it's like wo like who yeah it's like a lot of money and but then me personally I feel

Alexlike that um compromises like my values

Alexthat I I live by so I what are your values um just I don't I I personally am

Alexnot a sex worker um I don't judge people who do that um but I just don't feel comfortable like for lack of a better word exploiting myself for an amount of

Alexmoney no matter how big it is honestly the bigger the money is the more exploitive exploited whatever exploited it kind of feels I guess to

Brian Atlasme just curious can you share how much you're making a year or a month both seven figures a year mhm six figures a month what's the most you've earned in

Elizabethone month I started two months ago oh okay how much I don't six figures so that's your projected projected income yeah

Brian Atlasfrom the rate that I'm going from the two months H you reconsidering Tiffany all right we have a chat here from LOL

Brian Atlaspaladins hey thank you man she's speaking weird about her dad who spoils her because she's fishing for only fan Sims to spend more on her it's a character like an actor do you want to

Cenarespond to that fishing for only fan Sims yeah it's a character like an actor does that mean like I'm trying to act a certain way

Tiffanylike I'm trying to portray well he I think he's questioning if you're dead D actually spoiled you I believe her wait I have a question

Tiffanydid your parents like cut off Financial like assistance completely after you turned 18 no none at all so if your dad was like such a provider when you were a

Cenakid why couldn't he why can't he pay for your tuition too well because don't you want to take initiative like don't you want to provide for you do you pay for your own tuition or your parents and my

Cenaparents Doo so your parents spoil you too yeah so is there no sense of like don't you want to pay for your own stuff you just want to live under their wing

Tiffanyforever um so that's a yes I think I want to like transition from being provided for my parents to a guy oh like guy provider

Cenayeah but to me it's like obviously I want that too but I want to provide for myself like I want to give them money uhhuh cuz when they get old they're not

Cenagoing to be working then it's the kids turn to provide for them right yeah I guess it's debatable yeah that's all you got Tiffany yeah I mean it's debatable it's like I think that's true In some

Tiffanycultures yeah but you want to provide not through sex work right yeah is that my understanding yeah mhm and I don't think it's the

Tiffanychildren's job to provide for their parents I think it's the opposite way around I mean it's a gesture but it's not requ ired we have another chat here from

Brian AtlasLucas Lucas says you want a man who's a tra provider because your father wait because your father was your mother an O girl you're a baby engineer you're smart

Brian Atlascan you put what can you PT to the in point to the inconsistency oh point to the inconsistency tra men want tra women not sex

Brian Atlasworkers so was your mom an off girl that's his question and then you're a baby engineer point to the

Brian Atlasinconsistency is your mom a o Creator not that I know of wait would you be upset at your mom if you found out she

Cenawas doing o content no would you be upset not at all I'd be like go mom go yeah no shade no tea get your

Elizabethbag I think that really would you do a features with your mom is well I'm curious because I also am curi not like sexual but just like content a feature no I would not I think that'd be a

Elizabethlittle weird I am curious cuz you said you're doing only fans to pay for University yeah so when is your quit

Cenadate my estimated crit date or like what I hope okay I hope to go from only fans to like an influencer because you know

Cenayou you're posting on social media you're content you're connecting with your like audience and people right so obviously there's a little bit of influencing to that so hopefully in

Cenaterms of that I can shift over in the next one to two years to like a full-time influencer instead okay I have a question um you

Tonysaid that you're you would not you would prefer if your parents did not know that you were on only fans and then you want to take the profits that you make from only fans and be able to take care of

Tonyyour parents with that money yeah do you do you see does that seem questionable at all to you do you think that there that seems at all deceptive or anything that your parents would be taken care of with the money that you're making with doing by doing actions or behaving in a

Cenaway that they went to approve of no as long as they're being taken care of I think that's the main objective is to take care of them and

Cenamake sure you know they're old older age days they they live well they're happy and all that stuff do

TTS/Donationsyou doc venil has donated $200 thank youc Canadian shine girl just imagine the odds of her father accepting your o lifestyle those will be the same odds

TTS/Donationsthat you will land a man that will provide for you as you expect quit now well she can do you want to you want to respond

Brian Atlasyou should you should check out my off before you say that wait why would wait why would you have to check out your off before you can say that I like

Brian Atlasit you had a pretty big reaction to that what what are your thoughts uh to the donation and the comment oh yeah

Leahuh I just feel bad when uh all of that thing starts like oh you like New China Girl Like You new baby and know like I'm feeling this you know toxic masculinity

Leahlike moment here you think that's toxic masculinity it's like so have you noticed who's who's giving the comments no okay they've been pretty nice well nice I agree with that they've been

TTS/Donationspretty tame so far comparatively speaking to M Donald's eyebrows LOL paladins donated $200 she so full of sheet 100K a month

TTS/Donationswill give her a good date she only doing it to survive and pay to how much is tuition at UCS it's not a million dollar what is it like 40 50k for the it's for

Tiffanyno financial weight at all it's like 40K for the whole four years no for per year for one year it's 40K yeah around it's like 30 it's like 36k and then with like

Tiffanyother stuff you spend money on it's like 40K okay so you could be looking at spending like 100 to 150k yeah and I also had a question so if you can't provide for your parents

Cenaright now just because of how suspicious they'll get how do you plan on providing for them in the future well obviously I'll have my ways like for providing for them right now I'm saying I can't

Cenaprovide for them because the money that I'm receiving like I just started right it's 2 months I everything's still new to me giving

Cenathem that that money is also a new Mountain I have to climb over to you know start giving them more money and stuff and obviously I've been like giving them gifts and whatever I can

Cenawith the money that I do get and that's less suspicious than oh hey dad here's 40K right and in the future when I'm when I keep making this

Cenaconsistent amount of money there there's going to be ways like I'm going to be able to be like do that for them when I figure it out I think the reality of the future is your parents are probably

Alexgoing to find out you do o which is like whatever but and that's probably what it's going to be and you know what maybe they come to accept it and um you and your parents can laugh all the way to

Meganthe bank exactly like I think when you grow up being spoiled you want to uphold that lifestyle and so you want also want to repay your parents for like letting you live a comfortable life so that

Brian Atlasmakes sense wait but your dad he was he's a Chinese National right yeah are you're full Chinese like your mom's Chinese your dad's Chinese yes I mean you're saying that the

Brian Atlasparents are going to accept it cuz laughing all the way to the bank I mean isn't uh like first generation is he a first gener generation immigrant don't read those chats guys is he a first

Brian Atlasgeneration immigrant my dad your dad yeah yes okay I mean first generation immigrants are typically pretty like traditional yeah yes he's so I don't

Cenathink even if you make a ton of money he's he's probably not going to be super stoked that well that's the thing is like parents like they're they're

Cenadifferent right it really depends on the type of parents that you have for my parents like I said earlier they'll they'll probably just be like you know if this is what you wanted to do we'll

Cenasupport like we'll support you we won't be happy you're doing it we'll obviously be disappointed but we'll support you and because at the very end of the day like they're not going to be the

Cenaones dealing with the consequences in the future it'd be me I'm dealing with the consequences and they'll just be

TTS/Donationsreceiving money that I can make and give them if you're doing only fans grid One Motorsports donated $200

TTS/DonationsAnd1 can we just stick to the fact that regardless of how nice she seems this fuk in Co sells sex online which is dgen

TTS/Donationsas fuk seems like you could also afford a real shirt and not in your underwear you you had a really big reaction to that what uh what what

Leahwhat's up all right um is it the toxic masculinity again or oh I definitely expect you guys to make jokes about the fact that I mentioned toxic masculinity

Leahbut oh yeah we should get into into that yeah go go ahead um to start off I love men and I respect men but the comments that started going on guys you you just

Leahgot to take into the consideration that you have never been into the shoes of specifically this person she's 18 she came from a different country um well she was born in Canada so I know so what

Leahyeah she's still she's still coming from a different country she is trying to yeah it's a different country so trying

Leahto change the ways I I understand how an 18-year-old woman like her she she's trying to change the whole pattern and

Leahthe system that her life has been working before she became an adult an official adult we can we can judge we can just say all of those like funny

Leahlooking comments like oh you engineer girl okay like oh you China girl all that [ __ ] but I I don't I don't really think that this is constructive enough I do not

Leahunderstand why those all of those comments are coming from the men and very specific type of man and this specific type of a man is just usually not what I respect um it's just not the individuals

Leahthat I would [ __ ] with I'm so sorry um when you say [ __ ] with do you mean have sexual regular meaning of [ __ ] with no what's the the it's it's not the individuals that I would resonate with

Brian Atlasyou don't [ __ ] with Motor Sports don't you use this word no no no I'm not no I know I know you don't [ __ ] with grid One Motorsports you don't [ __ ] with L pal that's don't [ __ ]

TTS/Donationspaladins um you know what the Yeah of course you don't grid One Motorsports donated $200

TTS/DonationsAnd1 my wife is Chinese she has never sold her sex online STFU slimy who feminism has failed you embrace the patriarchy and we will help you find

Brian Atlasyour away oh sorry I don't believe in I'm not like I don't believe in God I'm sorry oh wait how did God have to do with any I don't think he mentioned he

Tiffanysaid the patriarchy oh sorry I misread that well you you definitely believe in the patriarchy though because you said you wanted a provider yeah and I feel like you're kind of masking this on fans

Tiffanything like the intention of you doing only fans as providing for your parents mhm but I feel like your parents would be happier with you just like quitting right now because

Tiffanyyou already made six figures in two months so it's like 200k at least right so that would be enough to pay for your college tuition

Tiffanybut um and you getting like like stable like financially stable from that and making a living for yourself through engineering I think

Cenayour parents would be a lot more happier with that rather than fans have you do you do math at all like do you take any math courses is I have why is that

Cenarelevant because you're saying that I should go with only fans but like like you you're saying I should stick out

Cenaengineering and continue but engineering is really hard like what what what's your major Eon yeah well we're obviously we we have different

CenaMajors right uhhuh engineering is really hard you're telling me to stick out with engineering obviously I want to stick out with engineering however there's like a million people racing to do engineering and if I can do engineering

Cenaas like a side that'd be a bonus obviously like I can have o and I can do engineering that's double income right so who wouldn't want double income so

Cenaengineering is not your goal engineering it's a side hustle for you uh right now yes engineering is the degree like the

Cenamajor that I want to achieve but obviously if I can do this right now it's gonna be a side hustle all right also I do want to just quickly address

Brian Atlasyou mentioned one sec you mentioned like the the Super Chat all the super Chatters and stuff coming in um you know it's actually all women no yeah no yep I saw the picture of that guy it was not a

Brian Atlaswoman what picture Kendall he only donated $10 by the way yeah but like the the the TTS is it's all women grid One Motorsports he's that one's a man but

Tiffanyeverybody else is where's the button stop the cap stop the cap Tiffany you had something go ahead if you already made to at least 200k from the two months you did only fans how would engineering be a side hustle like why

Tiffanywould you ever need money from that Tiffany bster check engineering is pretty hard though people like leave MIT and don't get jobs right that's a very low chance most

Brian Atlaspeople who graduate with an engineering major get good jobs wait but Tiffany do you want an answer to your question so your question was like okay if you're if you're just trying to pay the tuition you already made 200k is that that's

Tiffanyyour question right yeah my question is what's your true intention of doing only fans is it like truly to provide your for your parents and pay for your tuition and make them happy or or is it

Cenalike for yourself and wanting to become an influencer and live that lifestyle well obviously there's like roads that lead up to that so at first I wanted to do it to pay off my tuition and you know

Cenaprovide for my family and because you're posting so much on the internet and you're connecting with your audience like I said then it's going to St into into oh you know what if I'm already doing if I'm already posting content and

Cenastuff like this I might as well tune in to influence your life because there's not much of a difference so basically you kind of like compromised your values I feel like you're making a lot

Alexof assumptions about somebody that you don't know at all but that's just me how I mean you're talking about her family Dynamics her personal values her morals her family

AlexDynamics you did you just said don't you think like your parents would think this or that like do you know her parents I feel like you're really coming for this girl and it's giving honestly is giving hater that was a question are you are

Tiffanyyou hating no are it's giving wait so answer my question then do you think your parents would be Happ so are you asking about her family Dynamics well I'm not assuming I'm I'm

Tiffanyasking a question so I'm asking not assuming about her family dynamic I can see both sides hold on guys audio can you get the let me get this straight

TTS/Donationsthink that you can bribe you our parents into accepting that you are a sex worker a good provider husband will also be dumb enough to buy it that sounds like toxic femininity toxic femininity we

Brian Atlaswait I have a question Brian was this from a woman doc Vani that is probably I think it's a they it could be

TTS/Donationsa they let's not let's not it could be a they and well met oh L paladins don2 down stop defending this liar just

TTS/Donationsbecause you share agenda she said she made a million dollars but that was a lie learn to spot a psychopath psych we seen many like on the show oh damn do do you want respond to the psychopath

Brian Atlasaccusations you're saying I'm a psychopath don't they say like it takes one to know one boom roasted oh uh OMG shut the [ __ ] up black shirt

Brian Atlaslady she's 18 and wants Easy Money showing her uh vine on the internet doesn't have a tragic backstory and even if she did no one cares countless other ways to

Brian Atlasmake money yo Devon Jackson for uh just FYI I don't know if you're color blind I think she's in green little spin little just to we yeah

Brian Atlasit's a green dress look it's a green it's uh on you Devon you might want to see a opthalmologist or something but uh yeah uh do you have a response black

Brian Atlasshirt girl or Lady it's a green dress that's all my answer wait is it or is it was it you I don't think you said are you

Brian Atlastalking to me am I the black shirt lady I'm maybe I don't know I'm in a uh a uh

Brian Atlashoodie thank you am I the black lady a shirt well it's black shirt lady well I don't if we but you have you're the shirt lady maybe black there would have

Brian Atlasto be a comma after black there's no it's black shirt lady if it was black comma shirt lady but why would you be shirt lady the shirt I guess it is the

Meganshirt but honestly he's he's clearly not with the shirs so let's move on okay um daon thank you very much La paladins

Brian Atlasthank you very much doc Vani thank you very much uh did you want to respond to Doc Vani though what did he say he said let me get this straight you think you can bribe your parents into accepting that you are a sex worker a good

Brian Atlasprovider husband will also be dumb enough to buy it wait what um by my old like you said bribe your bribe your parents uhhuh like cuz I

Brian Atlasthink he's maybe saying the Hope here is like well maybe they wouldn't be supportive of the nature of what you're doing but by virtue of you compensating

Brian Atlasfor that with the money that you're going to be making for yourself and then ostensibly providing to them giving to

Brian Atlasthem helping them that they would accept this otherwise uh objectionable career path well I don't

Cenathink they're going to accept it per se because this is a very you know explicit field of work and obviously it damages

Cenayour reputation whatever so they're not going to accept it however I know that they're not going to accept it but eventually they're going

Cenato come to terms with like you know if this is what you want there's nothing that we can do to stop you from doing it because that's your life and I'm not

Cenatrying to bribe them they the most I'm trying to do is just help them not bribe them I don't say bribe because that sounds like I'm trying to bribe my parents to do this like accept this no

Tiffanythey don't have to accept it you know it's not it's not their job they're not doing this wait so what do you think your parents would be more happy with you sticking to engineering and quitting

Tiffanyum o but not providing for them or doing o and then providing for them which one do you think they would prefer the doing o and providing for them because at the same time I'm going to do engineering

Cenaright so I'll have a degree by the end which will provide me money but I'll also be able to provide them money but you just said that they won't be accepting of of they won't be accepting

Cenaof O but it's a better route to me personally well to you but which one would your parents be more happy with I don't I

Elizabeththink neither one they would be happy about but neither one yeah okay can I ask you a question yeah but I don't want

Elizabethyou to feel attack so um my question is if you don't feel like the mechanical engineering is going to be it's just a side hustle you might not get a job why

Elizabethnot just focus your energy on becoming an influencer or something else that's more relevant to what you want to do and then maybe you wouldn't have to earn

Cenamoney through only fans to pay off your tuition because personally I think that my

Cenaparents would be more mad if I dropped out okay it's I don't know if it's like the traditional Asian you know stereotype or whatever they want you to

Cenafinish school get a degree have that paper degree and it's obviously everybody cares about the paper degree right right now and if it's not something that I want to do it's something that my parents want me to do

Tonyso I'm obviously going to try and Achieve what they want yeah right did your parents influence your um uh the direction that you went with

Cenaengineering um or did you select your major who picked engineering I think it was a bit of both I think it was like a gigantic push of my parents saying

Cenaengineering doctors they make a lot of good money and we want you in school for something that will make sure you live a good future so that you can have a lot of

Cenamoney in the future so I think it's the push of both and then and you know eventually it was just like oh maybe I should do engineering because it makes them happy or you know

Tonyit does provide a lot of money something like that yeah do you think that your parents would be more proud of you earning money one way or

Tonythe other more proud of me like whatever way I earn money I just really encourage you to um I heard you say earlier that um

Tonyengineering is really challenging and um we're we become better people when we go through really challenging things and I really really encourage you to stick with it and and even get through those

Tonyhard classes and not beat yourself up if you get a low grade and just keep on going um because I I um I think it feels good when you're proud of yourself yeah

CenaI I am trying to do that though like like I said earlier of is my main job but engineering like it's a side Hustle but it's a side

Elizabethhustle that I'm going to get a degree yeah you're going to school for it I have a question it's just a random question because of your um food content

CenaTik Tok do you do food content with your only fans like a only fans food content only the food content was actually

Cenabecause I was trying to copy this Tik tocker he Alex was his name like he also does those food contents and I was like like do you think I could do that too

Andrew Wilsonand then that's that's just how I started yeah yeah uh right I'm uh I I'm here a little late but I'm just curious um pull it up pull it up pull it up so

Andrew Wilsonuh how how long have you been going to school for mechanical engineering a year you've been in for an entire year yes okay and and so you're

Andrew Wilsongoing to be a sophomore here soon or I'm in my first year you're in your first year okay so has it has it been an entire year that you've been going to school for mechanical

Cenaengineering it's all together roughly around 8 months eight months and you've

Andrew Wilsoncovered some Basics I take it yes yeah can you tell me um what a selenoid is no idea okay can you tell me what a

Cenacapacitor is no idea first year is like the basic first year classes of math we don't we

Cenahaven't really gotten into any of like the actual engineering stuff okay can you tell me what 's law is M's law I know this but I don't know

Andrew Wilsonit okay well no no big deal I was just I was just curious um so um when you I I I was listening to the conversation back

Andrew Wilsonand forth about the uh the parents approval of the o or not uh just just a very very quick question your father right do you have a good relationship

Andrew Wilsonwith him yes yeah uh does he know about the o no yeah I didn't think so and if he did

Brian Atlasknow about the O you would be in big trouble wouldn't you at first yes yeah yeah okay that's all I had all right I do

Brian Atlasneed to read a couple of the chats that came through we have Lucas uh chair 2 you live in dulu land would you be okay with your daughter doing o Chair three no more

Brian Atlastame what Burger buger off with the feminist shaming tactics I married Soul 22 years Soul Provider son daughter two cent two cent

Brian Atlasbrain okay thank you Lucas um his question to you is would you be okay with your daughter doing

Cenaonly fans yes you you'd be okay but it depends on what you did because for me like what she did no if for me it's I'm

Cenaokay with my daughter doing only fans because I'm doing it right but if it's someone who has a daughter and they're not doing only fans and her daughter selling all that stuff online they might

Cenanot be as okay with it but even if I wasn't doing only fans I'd say I would be okay because I have the same mindset where if that's what you want to do then

Brian Atlasthat's what you're going to do then you're going to have to do with it okay we have another chat here from who cares sorry I have to step in I'm a first generation Asian-American not born in

Brian AtlasAmerica I did did not denigrate I did not denigrate myself to do these kinds of things to make money your dad would disown you in a

Brian Atlasheartbeat your response you wouldn't maybe yours would but mine wouldn't do you think it'd be I'm like we've this conversation has come up

Cenabefore on the show why do you then why do you hide it from him come on because right now I'm still unsure of how to tell him there's obviously been plans of

Cenatelling him my family in general I just as of right now I'm unsure and I'm only cuz he's going to be upset right yes he's going to be upset but I why why is he going to be

Cenaupset because his daughter is selling his her body online yeah and do you think any father ever wants that for their daughter no no that's why he's going to be upset right yeah you know why you know why he's going to be upset

Andrew Wilsonmore than anything this is what the chatter was saying is because you're shaming him you're bringing shame to his family name that's why that's why he's going to be

Andrew Wilsonupset also money right like yeah I mean you I don't I don't I don't think I think that perhaps this is a a problematic idea in

Andrew Wilsonmodernity for many women but uh you can't buy a sense of family pride and when you're talking about shame um men men will pass on millions of dollars if

Andrew Wilsonit's from something that is shameful for instance if somebody offered to pay a man to sleep with his wife and was willing to give him $2 million they're going to say no right they're going to say no so how is that relevant

Alexwell because somebody brought up money is somebody asking to sleep with her in real life or sleep with like that's not really a fair analogy the analogy was about shame and

Andrew Wilsonmoney the analogy was not I would pick a different in in regards well I don't care what you would pick it's analogous because we're talking about money so it doesn't matter what you would pick so what you know what why don't you pick

Alexthe analogy then and I'll just use that pick whatever analogy you'd like I just feel like it's inappropriate to be discussing like the Dynamics of someone else's family like I said previously why

Andrew Wilsonnot why why is that inappropriate I I just think to me like if someone were to bring up is that the first time you've ever done that just think so anyway so back to where I was

Andrew Wilsonat before I was so rudely interrupted I'd like to uh jump back into this and just just tell you about the idea of Shame um yes it's going to it's going to bring him a lot of Shame he's going to

Cenabe very upset that's all that's that's why you haven't told him probably as you know that right I would agree with you on that yes obviously there's going to bring shame

Cenaand you're you're correct that's why I haven't told him what I'm doing but

CenaI'm I don't know I in my mind right now I just want to be able to provide for them provide for my family

Cenaeven yes this way that I'm doing what I want to do is not logically or like accepted in our

Cenageneration but everybody has their way of making money and you know what like I think if that's how you want to make your money then just do it do what you

Andrew Wilsonhave to do right before you yeah if your dad was a if your dad was a hitman for the mob and he said I just do that to support my family uh would would you tell him H you know Dad

Andrew WilsonI'd prefer you didn't do that to support your family but would he stop yeah I think if there was significant amount of pressure social pressure from your family unit that it tends to change Behavior just like if you have a family member who's an

Andrew Wilsonalcoholic or family member who's a drug addict or things like this I think your family tends to care about your future a lot and they apply significant amounts of pressure get you to stop and modify bad behavior and this is why people tend to conceal bad behavior from their

Cenafamily right because they know that they're going to do that well if it gets to a point where there's a lot of family pressure and they really really want me to quit after say a couple a year they

Tiffanystill encourage that I quit then I will do that I will quit uh Tiffany you had something go ahead I just think you're kind of masking this on fans career as something you're doing for your family when you're

Brian Atlasreally doing it for yourself oh [ __ ] okay yeah Bob Bob Evans thank you for the gifted 20 memberships did you have have more no that's all okay all right uh we need to get through

Brian Atlasa couple other chats here we have Lucas uh it's that Orthodox toxic masculinity that's keeping your country on the map while you're shamelessly shamelessly spouting off your vapid

Brian Atlasnonsense and comfort respect my wife is 100 times the woman you are 100 times hotter is this directed towards you not my problem then Orthodox

Brian Atlasprobably toxic masculinity yeah cuz I was the one who started that is Ukraine Orthodox Christian Christian much more than Christian in like traditional well no at

Andrew Wilsonthe moment the ukrainians are persecuting Orthodox Christians in their Nation Oh they've outlawed they're outlawing it it's a huge political crisis and we should probably avoid it

Brian Atlasto be honest with you Brian okay uh we have rpr aquatic thank you man thank you guys for all the messages so you're just going to get a degree and not even use it and just going to become an influencer with your off simps yeah

Cenathat's just trying to cover up her being a sex worker and getting a easy way out do you have a response I never said I wasn't going to

Cenause my engineering degree I would use it if I had to use it but if I had other ways like becoming an influencer being a

Brian Atlasbig influencer and that was my income then I would just get that degree to make my parents happy happy okay by the way guys there's a slight delay on some

Brian Atlasof the messages coming through there's a some stuff going on with streamlabs and just some moderation that we're having to do on our end so there might be slight delays on the ttss Lucas thank you man uh stop with your everyone is

Brian Atlasspecial talking point you have a duty to your family name to your future children respect your lineage I rather live the rest of my life in IGN ignominy IGN

Brian AtlasIGN uh-huh uh then allow my daughter to do o thank you Lucas appreciate it we have

Brian AtlasLucas again wow Lucas is on fire tonight just ask her the first derivative of 2x and then second derivative of 2x go

Cenaahead the first derivative of 2x is two and there is no second derivative 2x yes does that check out isn't it just zero yeah cuz there is none does that check

Brian Atlasout I don't know I don't know about that okay we have L paladins how funny everyone assumes she even cares about her parents opinion this is probably the first time anyone

Brian Atlashas ever questioned her on anything toxic feminism no consequences for The Sisterhood wow they are law

Brian Atlaspaladins uh your response or anyone's response your response your response it's just honestly it's not even interesting to response I have no no

Meganresponse to no response I'm glad you donating thank you guys I just think like no one who are we to judge her like people become engineers to be rich and you're skipping a step and just because everyone doesn't agree with how you do

Meganit doesn't mean it's wrong like we all have our own Journeys to go through in life haters are journeys

Andrew Wilsonyes I I kind of want to let Andrew respond to that love will find you break those chains that okay sorry your

Andrew WilsonJourneys um yeah that's true I guess um I guess we all have our Journeys some go through completely degenerate and uh horrific Journeys and do horrible things to themselves and other people and then

Andrew Wilsonother people go through Journeys where they don't do that so my preference is in the society that I live is that people don't do the latter they do the former

Brian Atlasright all right well that's it for the uh that's the little super chat and messaging break thank you guys uh so thank you everyone for sending those in if you want Reed is 100 and TTS is 200 I

Brian Atlasdo have a question here from Stiffler he says ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10 starting

Tonywith you rate your own looks on the scale of 1 to 10 10 okay eight all right nine okay I have a question about this

Tonygame okay um is is this the entire dating pool from age 14 to 80 is this uh compared to people at the table is this compared to people my own age age 41 yeah I would take a general sampling of

Andrew Wilsonall of the women who are inside of the United States who are adults right and we would you can Envision the question this way if it's easier for you you're uh at a beauty pageant okay and there's

Andrew Wilson100 men and they're all going to give you a rating based on that average of all the women who exist who are adults in the United States and whatever that

Brian AtlasMedium is 1 to 10 is what where you're going to place yourself 4 and A2 okay what what would have your answer have been before that

Tonyclarification um at the table a three of women my own age of six okay all right

Silly (Sylvie)what about you Tiffany eight okay 10 10 for you okay six 3.69

Brian Atlaswhat's your real answer three oh okay wait so 10 10 8 9 8

Brian Atlas10 oh we got to rate ourselves too uh I give myself a five Andrew 10 H yeah well wait wait why is why is why is everybody laughing you don't

TTS/Donationsbelieve me no I love the confidence oh it's great it's confidence is it well met LOL paladins donated $200

TTS/Donationsand2 I'm a Hitman I murder people for a living but it's okay don't judge me how I make my money okay okay okay you think you so

Andrew Wilsonyou think it's objectively true that um 10 being the most handsome men who exist on Planet Earth that I'm in that same category you think that's objectively true then if you think you're a 10 then you are a 10 no no no that's not what I

Andrew Wilsonasked didn't ask if I think I've asked you objectively then I am you think objectively that I am on par with the most handsome men on planet Earth I have to see you standing up in person in

Andrew Wilsonfront of me but off the confidence I'll give you a 10 too just the okay but what about the looks the you know the thing we're judging which has nothing to do with the confidence because we're

Andrew Wilsonjudging the physical characteristics I like the beard the hair is fine 10 MH how old are you okay great so I'm I'm well you know it's nice to hear that I

Andrew Wilsonam amongst the gods the Greek gods amongst men the chiseled statues which remained of the ABS and the um you know

Andrew Wilsonthe epitome of masculine handsome energy I'm glad that you agree that I am in that category if we were rating confidence that's a totally different

Tonyscale like I'm a very confident woman my confidence is a nine or a 10 yeah you can totally give yourself a 10 I why

Andrew Wilsonnot mhm sure you can lie no I I don't think it's lying a couple of years ago there was well okay so what what makes what even makes the

Andrew Wilsonstatement truth app you honestly believe then like here's here's my honest question to you right I gave you the clarification you have a group of men

Andrew Wilsonright a random sampling of men and you're going to go down this walkway and they all can hold up a sign 1 to 10 to rate you and you're going to go off of whatever the medium is of what they rate you honestly think

Andrew Wilsonthat they're going to rate you a 10 that that's what the average answer is going to be who are you talking to yeah this case I'm talking to you

Andrew Wilsonyeah I do believe that yeah what would you rate me uh I think you're an average looking girl probably five

Andrew Wilsonokay yeah well the thing is is like when I don't I don't really understand why people scoff at that because we have to have an average right like a mean that we can compare everything to and I think

Andrew Wilsonthat being put in the category of average doesn't mean that you're plain or that that you're you're bad you're even badl looking I think you can be you're very goodlooking as an average

Andrew Wilsonlooking woman right below average would be like very obese uh you know things like this all the things which you compare in ly yourself to when you're comparing yourself to other women right you know what an average looking woman

Andrew Wilsonlooks like you know what they don't look like but for some reason this has become some kind of grave insult to just say hey you look like a normal girl good you know but I I don't I don't I don't know

Andrew Wilsonwhy why there has to be this beauty athon where everybody has to be amongst the most beautiful women on planet Earth which by the way whatever podcast has the most beautiful women on it on planet

Brian AtlasEarth all you have to do is ask them it's true I mean we as can be evidenced by the panel I've um collected

Tonytoday yeah you okay go ahead you add something go ahead so the way that I feel like this topic or conversation relates to outcomes um makes me think of

Tonythis uh documentary or docu series that was on Netflix several years ago it was called um the science of sex appeal or something like that and um one of the uh

Tonyone of the research experiments that they did is they had 10 men and 10 women and they were all like maybe they were all dressed in black or all dressed in white and they had like caps on they

Tonywere just very they were dressed to be neutral human figures and um each woman had a card taped to her head 1 through 10 and each man had a card taped to

Tonytheir head 1 through 10 and you didn't know what your number was and the point of the game was to try to pair with somebody one man one woman and try to

Tonyget the highest number possible and obviously everybody starts to uh um uh want to try to match with eight NES and

Tonytens until the eight NES and tens don't match with you and then you you start to accept lower and lower so that you can get the highest number um so that you

Andrew Wilsoncan find a match and yeah so this is um I've seen this experiment done this is a but there's many variations on it but this is a basic sociological experiment very similar to the werewolf and Village

Andrew Wilsonexperiment right it's um the same type of game which applied to kind of figure out delusion or non- delusion um I haven't I haven't heard of that one specifically but I've heard of games

Andrew Wilsonwhich were were similar to that and so ultimately though you find out that a lot of people were very delusional about that what they thought that number was don't you yeah yeah and you start to I'm going

Brian Atlasto say they settle right H and you start to learn what your number is couple questions on here um I want all of you to rate me on this

Brian Atlasand I will not be offended you can give me your honest genuine rating I'm not gonna two okay shut up Andrew all right what about you I'm a 10

Brian AtlasI can say what I want um I would rate you uh six and a half okay three three

Brian Atlasokay this girl over here the 10 over here is lying or not uh laughing by the way remember that okay go ahead eight

Leaheight yeah come come on bro but if I'm allowed to say a little more when I first saw you today in person it was higher no no no no no no that's not what

LeahI'm getting at um I had a feeling that in the past you had a lower self-esteem that you have right now and that you glowed up I don't not know how it was I

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