She Sent Her Ex Gorilla ?! Body Count RESETS After 7 Years?! Single Since 2007?! | Dating Talk #209

Date: 2024-10-30

Duration: 7h 43m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLeah (Ukraine/DT211)>

TTiffany (DT215)>

MMegan (DT209)>

EElizabeth (DT209)>

SSylvie (DT209)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Cena(guest)

SPEAKER_03Silly (Sylvie)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Leah(guest)

SPEAKER_05Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_06Megan(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Elizabeth(guest)

SPEAKER_13Tony(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alex(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteCena claims projected income of six figures per month from OnlyFans (started 2 months ago). 'I started two months ago... six figures so that's your projected projected income yeah from the rate that I'm going.'

ControversyLeah accuses TTS donors of toxic masculinity for comments about Cena. Andrew spends several minutes arguing that Leah's generalization about men is actually toxic femininity by her own definition.

QuoteBrian asks Leah: 'You're 21, will you be better looking at 31?' — Leah says yes. Cena says she wants a nose job and will be most attractive at 29, still better-looking than now at 59.

QuoteAlex reveals ex cheated on her with her doppelganger, convinced her to cut hair in a bob, then dated a third lookalike. 'He sent my extensions back in because I don't want to be a triplet anymore.'

QuoteTony says: 'penis size cancels out body count' — then clarifies she meant the reverse. Extended discussion on whether sex acts cancel each other out.

QuoteTony reveals single since 2007: 'You've been single since the Bush Administration. Yes. George Bush. That's true. That's affirmative.' — 17 years single.

ControversyAndrew and Alex heated argument about collective standards for unattractive women. Andrew: 'You're dumb as a box of [blank] rocks' — Alex fires back that if women are dying less in combat roles it means they do the job better.

ControversyAndrew quotes Ephesians 5:22 to argue Tiffany (Christian) should be willing to bow to her husband. Tiffany: 'I'm not your maid, I'm your wife.' Extended theological debate about submission, worship vs respect.

QuoteBrian on first date requirements: woman must do laundry on a washboard, hang clothes on clothesline, churn butter within 3 days, and knit a cardigan. 'She has to be a virgin dwarf under 25 who knows how to knit and churn butter.'

QuoteAlex bows to Brian on camera. Then champagne bottle struggles — Brian cannot open 3 consecutive bottles (15-minute ordeal). Cena opens one easily after Brian fails.

OtherTony (walkoff) announces she has to leave at 12:30am, has been waiting 20 minutes. Brian: 'That's kind of rude but okay.' Tony leaves before the final roast session.

QuoteBrian's hypergamy/makeup speech: women use makeup to inflate dating value, chase men out of their league, end up in situationships, then marry 'suckers' in 30s and divorce within 3 years. 'That's why we have two 10s at the table.'

Topics Discussed

Introductions

All 8 guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian also teases Andrew Wilson joining later.

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with whom. Tony reveals she's been single since 2007 (17 years). Leah reveals she dated a woman for 2.5yr. Silly reveals her open relationship. Megan reveals ex died of overdose.

Cena's OnlyFans Career

Extended discussion about Cena (18yo) doing OnlyFans to pay for engineering school and provide for parents. Panel debates ethics, parental approval, Asian family dynamics, income claims (~6 figures/month projected), plans to become influencer. Tony encourages her to stick with engineering. TTS donors weigh in heavily.

Self-Ratings (1-10 Looks)

Panel rates their own looks 1-10. Andrew (calling in) joins and asks probing questions about whether guests can describe an unattractive woman. Debate about delusion vs confidence. Brian shows old Instagram photos. Age advancement AI filter used on Discord. Discussion of whether women will look better in 10/20/30 years.

Dating Stories & Pre-Show Notes

Each guest's notable dating stories/hot takes: Alex moved to Oklahoma for cheating ex (doppelganger story). Tony's obese blind date, bad long-distance year-long phone relationship, 6-kid man. Megan's car fire ex story, sending gorilla poop. Silly's open relationship and GameStop boyfriend. Fish pick debate.

Toxic Masculinity Debate

Leah accuses certain donor comments of toxic masculinity. Andrew rebuts: is her generalization about men toxic femininity? Extended back-and-forth about definitions. Leah clarifies she was addressing specific comments about Cena as a woman doing OnlyFans.

Monogamy & Open Relationships

Silly asks why monogamy is 'the way to go.' Andrew argues open relationships fail 95% of the time. Discussion of Silly's open relationship structure. Andrew explains why monogamy creates societal stability. Silly's previous open relationship ended when boyfriend found another woman.

Cultural Nationalism & Dating Within Culture

Tiffany's hot take: date within your culture and nationality. Andrew frames it as 'cultural nationalism.' Japan example. Debate about whether this is racist. Alex disagrees. Tiffany clarifies: Americans should date Americans (assimilated). Discussion of non-English speakers in America.

Only Men Should Make Family Decisions

Tiffany's hot take: men should make family decisions (for benefit of family not themselves). Andrew debates this, argues man's sacrifice (dying for family) justifies leadership. Debate on man laying down his life vs woman's role. Tony asks about income earners and submission.

Sex as Duty in Marriage

Panel debate: is sex a duty/obligation in marriage? All guests say yes with caveats. Andrew poses: woman on chemotherapy — still obligated? Discussion gets nuanced. Jake donor asks: if wife declines sex and man cheats, is she to blame?

Election / Voting Debate

Panel reveals voting intentions. Tiffany won't vote (no point). Tony voted Chase Oliver first, Trump second (Alaska ranked choice). Silly can't vote (Belgian). Andrew argues third-party voting is futile — two-party system inevitable due to collective power dynamics. Upcoming election co-stream announced (Nov 5 Election Day).

Bowing to Your Man

Brian shows bow video of ex-girlfriend. Panel reacts. Tony has softened since first seeing the bow argument. Most women say they would bow for the right man. Tiffany objects (not a maid). Andrew quotes Ephesians 5:22. Discussion of submission, sacrament, Asian wife bowing culture. Andrew: choking analogy (reciprocal obligations).

Champagne Pop Spectacle

Donor sends champagne. Brian struggles to open multiple champagne bottles for 15 minutes (becomes a running bit). Cena opens one easily. Andrew mocks Brian relentlessly. Eventually a different brand opens. Cheers to donor 'Walking Rosco.'

Women in Military / Male Sacrifice

Andrew's argument: men collectively die for women; women don't die for men collectively. Alex counters with women in military. Elizabeth (Army vet) provides insider perspective on women's combat roles. Andrew argues women are physically incapable of same roles. Jessica Lynch cited as example of why women shouldn't be in combat zones.

Hypergamy & Dating Market

Brian's speech on how makeup artificially inflates women's dating market value, causing them to chase men out of their league. Alex pushes back claiming she makes ~$800k/year (disputed by Andrew and Brian given 20K Instagram followers). Body count discussion as context.

Makeup Debate

Andrew and Brian debate whether makeup is deceptive. Panel watches Asian transformation video. Makeup wipes challenge — no one takes off their makeup on camera. Leah admits she wore makeup to fit in with other women at the show. Discussion of deception threshold, men being disadvantaged (can't wear makeup). Brian argues makeup inflates women's dating market value.

Body Count & Alpha Widow Discussion

Panel gives body counts. Brian discusses alpha widow concept applying to men sexually. Discussion of whether virginity is better for a man. Cena and Tony give their body counts.

Andrew Wilson's Outro

Andrew leaves the show (~7:18). Brian announces Andrew will be on Sunday show and Election Day co-stream. Panel thanks Andrew.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonway of marriage like okay with one one man or woman Andrew you have something on this yeah I'm not I'm not sure I understand it completely um maybe you

Brian Atlascan you can just rephrase it for me well so she's uh in her notes she said or she asked why is monogamy tradition life the

Brian Atlasway to go she is in a open relationship with her boyfriend although uh we suck at they suck at it

Brian Atlasso neither of them are uh cheating anything but they could uh so she's yet you haven't done anything

Brian Atlasyet yeah six yeah are you going to open it up with another girl or another guy another girl right me or him no I don't think they would do would it be thre sus

Andrew Wilsonwould you do thre sus we would be open to it but yeah yeah with a with a guy or a girl though I think it's first a girl yeah of course it's always a girl so um

Andrew Wilsonand then if you're opening up your relationship was it his idea or your idea both yeah okay it's always they always say both but somebody had the original idea and brought it up which

Andrew Wilsonone of it which one which one was it him or

Andrew Wilsonyou I I don't remember really it's a pretty that's a pretty pivotal conversation and not remember you both just had the same Epiphany you were eating your Cheerios together and drinking coffee and you

Andrew Wilsonboth look bright at each other at exactly the same time we're like hey I want to [ __ ] other people like that of course that didn't happen right so happened was one of you brought it up and you began to discuss it right so

Silly (Sylvie)which one of you brought it up we we started the relationship with the same vision so it was never you still brought it up it was never closed from the GetGo

Andrew Wilsonno it was never monogamous okay yeah so you met each other and then over dinner or whatever yes one of you still brought it up which which which one of you brought it

Andrew Wilsonup I don't know one of us brought it up and the other one said oh yeah I'm like that as well okay so you're so you're intent is this the first time you've been in an open

Andrew Wilsonrelationship uh no and how many other ones have you been in one and uh how come that one didn't work out I I changed did did you cheat what

Silly (Sylvie)does that what does that mean yeah what what does that mean you changed I was at home a lot and then uh after covid I didn't want to be anymore and he woned

Andrew Wilsonit so it didn't work did you ever actually have other partners no but he did he had oh I see he had other

Andrew Wilsonpartners and you broke up with him right yes yeah of course so yeah that's why it doesn't work that's why it doesn't work because the guy the second the guy has another

Andrew Wilsoninterest and another woman that's why open relationships fail by the way 95% of the time 95% they have a 95% failure rate and the other 5% are just waiting

Silly (Sylvie)to be added to the F to the uh 95% go ahead did you have a monogamous relationship before this one yeah did it end yeah yeah so it doesn't work either

Andrew Wilsonright yeah but that's not why it ended I didn't say that that the the yes but conven anytime in those relationships that one partner begins to express interest in

Andrew Wilsonsomebody who's external to the relationship that relationship ends monogamous relationships they end for different reasons so while I I'll Grant logically to you that because there's a

Andrew Wilsoncorrelator that both end right uh therefore we're on equal footing that's not actually true because the reason why it's reported that these end in the open relationship is because one partner

Silly (Sylvie)expresses interest in another one yeah of the primary I did enter relationship so and he was with someone else during our relationship so I don't know what

Andrew Wilsonyou're saying he didn't yeah I'm just I'm just saying that conveniently enough the most widely reported reason that open relationships end is because the man

Silly (Sylvie)begins to find significant amounts of interest in a woman other than the one he's in the primary relationship that could be yeah and if it's other relationship I have now I have no problem with it with breaking it up because I'm not perfect and someone else

Andrew Wilsoncan be for him yeah exactly right that I mean that makes total sense to me you know what I mean but if you want to know if you want to know why monogamy is optimal it's because it allows for every man to have

Andrew Wilsona partner every ugly man to have an ugly woman and every beautiful man to have a beautiful woman right it allows for that instead of allowing the beautiful women or beautiful men to absorb up all of the

Andrew Wilsonugly and Beautiful People people right which is what what you tend to see in uh hypergamous Nations so monogamy offsets this and creates the most stable societies which with that we have that's

Andrew Wilsonwhy it's always been illegal the United Nations is against it they're Pro monogamy for just this reason uh and generally it's not a thing that we should promote inside of society now if you're asking for a reason for why you

Andrew Wilsonshouldn't be monogamous from a secular standpoint that's the only reason I can give you because honestly I I just don't give a [ __ ] what secularists do because because the it's all just based on some whim and preference

Silly (Sylvie)so I have nothing nothing against monogamy by the way I think if it's what you agree on with your partner it's beautiful wait is is your boyfriend with

Brian Atlasyou here no oh oh yeah on holiday yeah but he's not like what do you mean he's in town but no but I mean is is he like he came with you on this trip to America

Brian Atlasyes okay I see okay okay cool uh we have a couple chats I'm going to assign you as official chat reader for the rest of the show you get to read the chats okay so

CenaI'm going to pull it up and you go ahead and read them feminist you obviously never watch this podcast chats also make fun of the small number of stupid men that Brian

Cenabring into the podcast shocking but ugly logical men don't get YouTube views oh by the way I'm an ugly I'm an ugly

Brian Atlaslogical man and I get YouTube views also uh Chad makes fun of me the most of anybody I get made fun of the most by

Brian Atlasthe chat I would say I'm Number Two yeah I get bro the comments I get the most CR I get the most criticism of of everybody you should see

Brian Atlasthe comments um so L palins thank you man appreciate it uh we have five more coming go ahead thank you Lucas choose

Cenachair oh chair three you're the lost someone the examplar of why there is no Harmony between the genders only my wife

Andrew WilsonSlaughter you're right I wouldn't what does that say I wouldn't treat men the same he says I'd punch him in the

Brian Atlas[Laughter] face all right Lucas thank you for the uh message uh appreciate it we have another one here coming in in just a moment from Captain

CenaAwesome it's coming in just a sec there it is thank you Captain stay at home married mothers report being happy 17 to

Cena80% married career women report 65 to 75% single career woman report 55 to 65%

Cenasingle woman report 40 to 50% why don't women learn to be wives is that coming from a man that yeah probably is a dude sure sure wait scoot into the table

Brian Atlasplease you're too far scoot scoot the chair

Cenain I'm here okay sorry three more I bet Blue's boyfriend's white how could I guess that she's one of those

Cenaself-hating Asian girls that white worship that's why she wants to pay for a white nose job a shame for her parents classic surgery is like super Asian

Cenaespecially in Korea the guy it's common everywhere de NES yeah that's probably a guy are you white do you want her is that why you're criticizing her do you want I mean she's got boyfriend exactly

Tiffanyare you jealous do you have more of a response Tiffany or um what part of what I said was self like self-hating well you said you don't like Korean men was

Andrew Wilsonit or generally yeah I know how he went every single time somebody has a criticism instead of responding to the criticism criticizing them based on the criticism women tend

Andrew Wilsonto just instantly go to oh yeah don't you want to [ __ ] me why do they do that every I don't I don't get that I I've never understood that oh yeah well don't you want to [ __ ] me I don't get that like it's it's like it was your

Andrew Wilsonknee-jerk reaction was to be like oh yeah you want a [ __ ] her don't you I'm like what what where does that come from where that every single time if anybody has a criticism right the like low woman

Andrew Wilsonresponses man just just because you want to have sex with him right and it's just I just don't get it maybe he's Asian and he's mad that Asian women don't really

Tiffanylike other Asian men is that is generally yeah is that is that a thing well Asian-American women tend to choose white white men over Asian so what do

Brian Atlasyou have a preference I prefer Asian men oh okay all right you don't date Asian men I

Brian Atlaswould oh but your boyfriend's white yeah okay first ever boyfriend yeah okay that we

Cenahave wait go ahead read this one I like to see her boyfriend on this show I bet he has extremely low self-esteem I bet

Cenahe thinks that if he doesn't allow her to be an open relationship that she wouldn't be faithful anyways this is to you

Silly (Sylvie)yeah we we do it because um it gives room wait hold on do we invite would he come on the show no I don't want to I don't want him to I mean look Andrew

Brian Atlaswhat do you do you think that would be a good like a good idea Andrew if we invited the boyfriend to come on and we could ask him like sure you know just he's the magic the Gathering card player guy yeah and then you could put a bunch

Andrew Wilsonof things to bed at the same time one you'll see that this super Chatters are just as mean to the men as they are the women in fact more so mean to the men uh just so you know and then uh you know my

Andrew Wilsonmy kind of other followup before that chat came in was I think that when women do that uh like you did the knee-jerk reaction of don't you just want a [ __ ] though I think the reason that they do

Andrew Wilsonthat is because they seem to to only put the revaluation and currency on that one thing and uh I think that that actually is uh is the best way to devalue your

Brian Atlasyourself possible um so he's can can we get him on you think or no like like no no maybe a little later like we could just have

Brian Atlashim join the panel for 30 minutes or something today or today right tonight yeah that have to be tonight I can ask him

Brian Atlasbut you'll have him by the way we're going to do a little pizza party here in in about 20 minutes I sent my team to when when I'm not there again look

Brian AtlasAndrew we had pizza when you were here okay listen you got to come back in studio Andrew and then we'll I'll get you as much pizza I'll get you some pineapple pizza we next time you're in

Andrew Wilsonstudio Andrew I'm only ordering pineapple pizza no and you have to eat it so you never want me to come back to

TTS/Donationsthe studio I guess not [ __ ] um and then uh we have three actually hold on we got this and then two more chats doc venon

TTS/Donationsdonated $100 for the record it ttsd on this show criticizing Adam 22 and other cooks for their o f participation also

Brian Atlasbricken's flannel keeps he Slash from leing the dwarf Asian chick he craves [ __ ] dog vabis thank you man first off I will date dwarves of any

Brian Atlasrace get it [ __ ] straight bro um but look I I my top two picks are white and Asian dwarfs d dwares I'll also date a

Brian AtlasLatina dwarf I'll date a I'll date a black dwarf but I'll also date a Native American dwarf but whatuh but what but what yeah

Tiffanywait why or no you were like I dated black dwarf but and then you cut off look Tiff I know you like to talk about

Brian Atlasrace but what yeah I have a totem pole of preferences when it comes to what I'm atted to I just feel like you were going

Brian Atlasto say something in dwarves only in dwarves yeah yes he has a dwarf totem PR in regularized women it's the reverse

Brian Atlasyeah just kidding it's actually not uh where were we um if do any of you know like a female

Brian Atlasdwarf though cuz I'm trying to I'm like trying to you know trying to link I'm trying to do you know D I feel like you might know dwarf I'm a dwarf you're you need somebody to fix

Brian Atlasyour wiring or what ran wait why this is really offensive what you're doing to the little person community you're like I'm what were what were the faces you're making oh I was

Leahjust full of [ __ ] actually I did not even realize what that word means I'm so sorry DWF no I'm not a dwarf no that's [ __ ] wow Little People laia matters yeah I mean no no no I'm not that short

Elizabethbut I love short people big little people Leia if she's an Asian said big little people labia that was if she's an Asian dwarf with a big

Brian Atlaslabia wow magic combination for you huge hot huge I only date women with that's his hand large labia period so you

Tonyknow um so is that self assessed is it what is is that a self assessment of the size of their lebia or do you like do do you have to do an examination first to get on your well

Brian AtlasI've actually been catfished by a girl before like this girl slid into my DMs and she's like hey Brian I've got an Audi and then I was like okay and I didn't ask I didn't get the verification

Brian Atlasbefore you know like she didn't verify like I didn't get a picture ah I just took her word for it and then like when it came down to like business time or whatever wait not business what what's

Andrew Wilsonthe word uh what's the word for like Cardinal knowledge no well yes but like I was thinking what uh pretty unbelievable how you're always going after the 0.1% of

Andrew Wilsonthe population Brian not only a dwarf but a dwarf with a 1 in labia really .1% one in is too small Andrew get itus

Brian Atlasone in too small um what was I saying yeah no I got catfished it was like a it was like any

Brian Atlasmidi it was like it was not naudy and I was like damn did you walk out on her oh my gosh

Brian Atlasfor lying actually I chose not to hit but it wasn't because of that we just didn't get along I thought you talked about the car at first the what oh Outi that's what I

Brian Atlasheard at first no definitely not Nai okay out ay okay anyways what the [ __ ] damn bro why you guys got to bring up the Leia stuff all the time [ __ ] I'm just trying to like keep that under W support the movement okay read this one

Brian Atlasgo ahead okay chair three what a r word take my here can you read it yeah you

Cenayou're the reader take my v v what does that say VI Vidal is directed at you o and o f

Cenagirl but in no way directed at chair 4567 guess what they're woman too yo Lucas thank you so much for the uh message man really appreciate it we have

Brian Atlastwo more coming in here guys if you want you can get your little chat in we have uh let's see Lucas again if you can read this one I take my previous comment back

Cenanow my yeah is directed at what's vitrio yeah wait just read it before it disappears please it's D what does that say meter made meter made as well what kind

Brian Atlasof if you can read one of these before it disappears I'll give you $100 just kid go ahead what kind of D BS are you sprouting

Alexsprouting okay go ahead I can't read the word is so patriarchal monogamy will always be the gold standard for wife kids and husbands

Cenayes all right thank you Lucas appreciate it we have another one here from de's nuts I could guess he's white this is because like many Asian women you want to get a white nose due to that

Cenaself-hatred you can't love the Asian nose you have you want to make yourself more white so sad wait de deat are you uh are you Asian just curious you have a response Tiffany yeah everyone in Korea

Andrew Wilsongets a nose job your nose is fine Tiff everyone gets a nose job in Korea your nose is fine but is that because they want to but to the super Chatter's point is that because uh South Korea is an

AlexAmerican pork and they want to look more white a lot of white girls get nose jobs too so what do they want to look like true that yeah but I don't I don't feel

Andrew Wilsonlike that actually con contends with a question so uh I understand why there could be cultures which for instance have rings around their neck so that it stretches their neck and they have

Andrew Wilsonreally long necks and then what we would do is we would apply every other person who copied that culture and say why do you want to look like ex group but if the pioneer of the group is the one who

Andrew Wilsonis starting the thing and other people are complying to move towards that thing then we would assume that that's the culture you want to look like right M so in this case the question is yes I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand South Korea though is very much westernized uh so westernized in fact that uh I mean it's been under it's basically been an American protectorate for what like uh 70 years so yeah I

Andrew Wilsonagree um yeah is that is that why they're doing that to the super Chatter's question um

Tiffanyno no I think it's just in their genetics Korean people just like plastic surgery they like aesthetic they like cute

Tiffanythings genetics no no no like in general that's why the culture they like cutesy things that's why the all the men there dress feminine mhm it's in their genetics yeah well culture comes from

Brian Atlassomewhere it comes from genetics yeah but if you went back A Hundred Years bro they the men were not liking cutesy [ __ ] in [ __ ]

Brian Atlas1925 how do you know because no male culture look at the culture in 1925 there's no there there's there's no culture in

Tiffany1925 that was like [ __ ] with Hello Kitty if you were a dude well Korea is like a really homogeneous society so people want to look like each other sure

Andrew Wilsonbut like masculinity they would already look like each other without nose jobs though why are there three people up at the same time right now okay whatever right

Tiffanywhen they all they would they would look like each other with absent the nose job so I don't understand that argument true I mean I guess I guess it kind of comes from being

Brian Atlaswesternized yeah okay anyways um let's see here let me get into some of the other notes we have you know what actually wait where

Brian Atlasthe hell is it sorry guys one sec what the hell why did my notes not save that's weird oh Tiffany okay uh

Brian AtlasTiffany you wrote in your notes you don't have a crazy dating story because you've never really dated around but you do have hot takes you say you should date within which one are you going to mention you should date within your

Andrew Wilsonculture and nationality yeah what so what do you mean girl you should what what and so when you oh wait wouldn't this proof that Super Chat

Brian Atlasare wrong about the white boyfriend wait hold on just a sec here okay yo Bob Evans thank you for the gifted 20 uh memberships uh go sorry go ahead Andrew thank you Bob oh if that was the case wouldn't

Andrew Wilsonthat prove the super chatter wrong about a white boyfriend what do you mean prove him wrong well if you you think you should only date within culture and nationality

Tiffanyright not a lot of white Korean running around right no as long as you're assimilated to the culture and you have the same nationality like you don't have to be the same

Elizabethrace how does a white person and an Asian person have the same nationality though your passport Scot your your nationality country oh your country scoot the mic to to the corner what do

Andrew Wilsonyou mean yeah they would have this you could you could be an Asian-American and and a white American you would have the same nationality right well why you looking at

Alexme conf what the difference between ethnicity and nationality was but we got it I said nationality is part of ethnicity no it's not you can be e

Brian Atlascertainly is 100,000 white person be Korean that's what I was asking yeah but you can be ethnically something and your nationality can be different can you tilt your mic down a bit and yeah your

Alexethnicity is different no that's what you just said category you can be ethnically one thing and your nationality can be from another place like two things can be true at the same time yeah that's a category error you're

Andrew Wilsonmaking a category error so you're you're conflating uh racial characteristics with ethnicity you can have an ethnicity absent race so like American would be an

Tonyethnicity okay I I would think of as American as a nationality and there's a lot of different kinds of ethnicities that are both things if you're native can part of

Andrew Wilsonethnicity not but ethnicity is a broad it's a broad stroke term right uh you could even say that independent family is an ethnicity it just depends on how

Andrew Wilsonmuch you want to uh reduce it but all ethnicity is pointing to is people groupings that's it well okay that could be grouped on nationality race whatever let's get a little clarification just to move things along here you said you

Brian Atlasshould date within your culture and nationality So when you say culture you mean what culture like okay so what culture do you belong to

Brian Atlasjust general like American culture okay and you're you said you should date within your nationality So when you say nationality you mean like American yeah so Americans should not date people from

Brian Atlasother countries yeah okay so anybody living in America take somebody else Living in America because

Brian Atlasthat's the culture is broadly American uhhuh and the nationality is of course American yeah so Americans can date

Brian AtlasAmericans you should date within that that that like Spectrum I guess so your hot take is that Americans well I think date Americans no Americans shouldn't

Brian Atlasdate like immigrants from a with a different passport that's what I'm saying so okay so you're saying okay citizens of the United States should not date

Tiffanyimmigrants or or c four citizens who who haven't assimilated to the culture so

Brian Atlasokay I said it I by the way Andrew is is this potentially to you think or I think it's okay yeah it's fine I think it's okay um fine we're just talking about

Brian Atlasdating preferences wait so so if I was dating like a a Mexican uhhuh no bueno

TiffanyI like the pun if well depends like what kind of Mexican if she's like illegal dwarf she is a Mexican national she's a

Brian AtlasMexican national dwarf no so she has a Mexico passport like and she but she's here legally on a Visa but she's

Tiffanyhere legally uh-huh would that be well I think you should date to Mary so so you shouldn't marri anyone who but you could make her an American by marriage so but

Elizabethshe would become a citizen if I were to marry her I know that's why that's why you you shouldn't CU you don't want her to become a citizen yeah so is that is it people that are from like not

TiffanyAmerican or people who are in America not legally that you don't agree with it's it's both it's Americans who haven't it's people with an with an

TiffanyAmerican passport who haven't assimilated and people who have assimilated but don't have a American passport could what if there was

Brian Atlasan immigrant from Korea uhhuh and she has taken on the American culture and she's

Brian Atlasassimilated but she's an immigrant uhhuh illegally uhhuh can I marry her no no okay just chck so what if she's a dwarf and hot as

Tiffany[ __ ] what if she's not you could if you want think you shouldn't yeah yeah I shouldn't what if she's not a dwarf and she's just like hot as [ __ ]

Tiffanyno wait what is the reason though yeah to create a homogenous Society where there's no um it's like when you marry someone outside of your culture and

Tiffanynationality you're kind of like duding the culture like of your nation do you know that this nation is founded off of IMR immigrants I'm my family was an

Aleximmigrant like granted a few Generations back but I think almost every single person in this room probably was an immigrant at some point and that's what our there's there's a limit to that I think if there's way too many immigrants

Tiffanycoming in this whole country is going to lose its like identity so I mean because technically this country was founded on white like Christian values okay what about your

Cenaboyfriend if your boyfriend was an immigrant would you still date him no so you do a passport check on date wait is it is it to yet and we

Andrew Wilsoncross the Rubicon okay yeah Andrew just tell me because you should just yeah now we crossed into the I mean it's fine as it is but now we've crossed into the Rubicon um but the the idea here she

Andrew Wilsonthat you're promoting is just it's just called cultural nationalism it's just the idea that cultural homogeny is a thing which people generally strive towards they want some type of a it has nothing to do with race at all it's just

Andrew Wilsonit's they're talking specifically about culture so for instance let me give all of you an example you can tell me if you agree or disagree Japan has a distinct culture and Japan has a distinct people

Andrew Wilsongroup and Japan wants to keep Japan Japanese can any of you think of a single problem with with that I mean I've been to Japan

Alexum I don't see any problem with the way that they they live that's the point but um I don't think it's applicable to the United States well even whether you do

Andrew Wilsonor you don't right you couldn't say that if the United States had such a standard it would be immoral because the standard itself for Japan you just conceded is not so that's the point right so that

Andrew Wilsonthis is the point of a cultural nationalist or saying if the C if you have a culture which you want to keep intact like the Japanese Japanese don't they only allow in a very very very tiny

Andrew Wilsonamount of uh of immigrants into the nation um and you know what's the argument for them not to do that and there generally isn't one really MH isn't like the definition of racism

Megandiscriminating against race and nationality you got to speak straight into the isn't the definition of racism discriminating against race and nationality yeah so what's the

Andrew Wilsondifference are you saying the Japanese are racist I'm not saying that I'm saying like well then what's the problem with them wanting to keep Japan Japanese I know I'm just saying like in

Andrew WilsonAmerica I feel like that's no answer my question though what's what's the problem with Japan wanting to keep Japan Japanese even though their policy by your definition they would be racist

Andrew Wilsonright so what would the actual problem be I mean I don't live in Japan so I don't really like care what they do but like I don't really know why that has anything to do with the question though you know why do you need to live there

Meganin order to engage with the question itself well it doesn't affect me but like I don't I mean I don't think why does it matter if I don't think it's a problem per se but I just think I'm just

Andrew Wilsonmaking so so you're basically saying that racism isn't a problem right that's you're saying right say no no no no that's not what I'm saying I'm just okay well then then then if it is the case

Andrew Wilsonthat you're saying if you're discri if the Japanese are discri ating against non-japanese people that's racist but you don't have a problem with that then what else could you be saying other than

Meganracism is okay I don't I don't get it okay well okay I I just don't want smoke with Japan but I'm just saying like I'm just making a point I'm just

Brian Atlasmaking a point I'm just making a point you know what I'm just making a point she don't want the beef I do not want do not want that wag you no I do not want any beef with without country so I'm just I'm just making a point I'm just

Andrew Wilsonsaying I'm just I'm just saying the definition of racism that's all I'm saying that's and would they fit would they fit that definition if they wanted to keep Japan Japanese would they fit that

Megandefinition I don't want smoke with Japan but she doesn't want yeah I I get it but would they fit the definition do you want smoke with Thailand no I love Tai

Alexfood wait I mean would they you know what I dig I think that a different example than Japan would be like a lot of the Gulf States in the Middle East their um citizenship is extremely

Alexexclusive and only offered to people who are born there and proven to be you know that uh ethnically so like you look at

Alexplaces like Kuwait or Qatar where they have more isra yeah where there's more foreign Nationals living there without a passport than there are actual citizens

Alexof the country which just creates like um very strange dichotomy I think to think that there's more like that would be like if there's more non-americans Living in America

Andrew Wilsonthan Americans I don't know it's just like a strange thing and and generally oh I don't understand how is it a false dichotomy they're literally saying we don't want people groups other than ours

Alexhere no they're saying everybody no no no no no because they're allowing more people than citizens of their own country as long as it's underneath the threshold of the majority no it's not no

Andrew WilsonI think you should do your research a little bit because I'm talking okay so using the Japanese example I'm talking about the middle EAS example that I just Prov the subject you created the false

Andrew Wilsondichotomy so the thing is is like the if the Japanese people say we want our nation to be 99% or 98% Japanese right and that is their official policy is

Alexthat a racist policy um I mean I don't know I guess it's subjective to whoever things I don't know how how is it subjective that's their official policy there's no

Andrew Wilsonthere's no nothing subjective it's literally objective the the official policy is the majority of [ __ ] Japan is to stay Japanese that's the official policy but Japanese is not a

Andrew Wilsonrace so they're not discriminating against race oh okay so the Japanese rule out everybody who doesn't look like an Asian Japanese person who not a

Andrew WilsonJapanese person a bunch of white people and then claiming that they're Japanese because they now have Japanese citizenship they're not doing that okay wait can anyone so can anyone

Andrew Wilsonnot be a citizen in Japan no you can't you can't they only take they only take x amount of immigrants per year to make sure that it stays Japanese okay cultural nationalism seems to fit in a

Tonylot better with smaller countries that are more homogeneous and in in the United States we have a lot of cultural pluralism and that's what makes this

Tonyidea of cultural nationalism not quite fit when your passport says USA mhh yeah what she said well okay I'm not going to I'm not

Andrew Wilsongoing to I I I could refute that pretty easy but I'm not going to dive into it for purposes of YouTube TOS but the thing is is I would still like an answer to this question right if the Japanese

Andrew Wilsonsay we want like 95% of our country to always remain Japanese right and Japanese the criteria is you genetically have to be tied to the J Japanese Race

Andrew Wilsonby X threshold uh and will only take x amount of immigrants who are not genetically tied to that to that uh demographic that certainly sounds racial to

Brian Atlasme yeah it is a little bit but I don't want smoke with Japan so I'm not going to say that okay all right well we'll just let it go there I guess uh okay so but you're saying like a white American

Brian Atlascan date an Asian-American a black American can can a American okay you said men should always pay for dates yeah okay uh who here at the table agrees should men always pay for

Alexdates so no no no no I think they should but that doesn't mean I won't Sometimes some sometimes like once okay like but it's not it's not for their lack of

Brian Atlastrying it's because I want to okay and then uh going back to Tiffany you also said maybe we'll come back to the paying for dates thing later but uh you said you shouldn't get married if

Brian Atlasyou don't plan to have children not much there to really discuss I don't know if you want to elaborate or um basically you you shouldn't have kids out of wedlock there's no really

Brian Atlasthere's not really a point you you're scoo to the mic please there's no point in dating okay now this is a hot one uh you said people who don't speak

TiffanyEnglish should date outside of America yeah to anywhere it's it's the same thing it's like cultural homogeneity it's like English is what like makes America America you

Elizabethknow so can they date anybody that speaks another language or only their same language like if they're bilingual yeah oh that's fine biling as long as they can communicate with each other what about two Spanish speakers who

Tonydon't speak English in America they should date each other they should go back to their own country is that is that the is that your value that that they should speak they should both speak the at least the same one same

Andrew Wilsonlanguage that they should both speak English yeah I don't I don't know why why that's even problematic like that just makes total sense to me if you're going to live in a country and immigrate

Andrew Wilsonto it you should speak the language of the country that exactly exactly like if I went to Japan I can't just be like [ __ ] you should speak English no I mean uh Many Many Nations

Andrew Wilsonhave this as a as a litness test like you can't move to the nation unless you can prove that you can speak the language of the nation because otherwise you become dependent you you become a dependent you now are consuming State

Brian Atlasresources that's problematic right yeah wait so okay so you said people who don't speak English should date outside of America so they should so like two Spanish speakers yeah wherever they're

Tiffanyfrom if they they're from Spain go date in Spain where it's they speak Spanish are you thinking of another country that there okay that's where I thought thought you were coming with

Brian Atlasthat um well I am pretty sure they speak Spanish they do speak no they do they do I just there's not a lot of uh Spanish illegal

Andrew Wilsonimmigrants you know what I mean yeah they're mostly Hispanic that's true yeah no but like from Spain Spaniards like Spaniards yeah that's why

Brian AtlasI said Hispanic and not Spaniard yeah uh you also said um only men should make decisions for the family however in the best

Brian Atlasinterest of his wife and kids and not himself yeah do you want to elaborate on that at all um I think that the nuclear

Tiffanyfamily structure is the strongest backbone of a society and the man is supposed to be a provider and a protector so it's like right that he

Alexmakes the decision for his family what about in same-sex couple households I don't believe in gay

Brian Atlasmarriage you have a reaction to that go ahead Bas uh well I'm sorry that was go ahead go ahead here can you get scoot your chair T yeah yeah every time I talk

LeahI come closer just yeah but you just strain your mic too please it's like pointing at the moon go ahead yeah of course that wasn't that was a very natural reaction of mine

Leahto I don't believe in gay marriages it just cancels the love of some people and there would be no other love for those and uh it's just not the statement that

LeahI would ever make out loud or in my hat as well but I mean it has and it's not because it has something to do with me even though I did experience the same

Leahsex relationship and it wasn't for me it's just yeah as soon as I heard it I was very uncomfortable thinking about the people who are happy in this relationship and they will stay together

Megantill the end of their lives yeah I mean she said marriage not love though yes so okay marriage but marriage is like love is a sign of love so do you need the is a state required to be married or like a

Andrew Wilsona ceremony yeah do you need the state to be married huh wait I have a question for is a state required to be married do you need the state to be married no well if you don't need the state to be

Andrew Wilsonmarried then I don't understand why gay people couldn't get married even if the state didn't recognize a marriage I don't get that you would need the state to recognize your your marriage you don't need the state to recog you don't need to have a

Elizabethlegal marriage you can have commitment ceremony you can have a marriage in church so yeah and to be fair she did say love she's not saying that any

Tonyrelationship yeah yeah usually so then you're just calling it marriage without without the sacrament or the certificate you're just calling it marriage well the

Andrew Wilsonsacrament is religious and as you know my might note the religious sacrament of marriage excludes what particular group no not necessarily yeah

Andrew Wilsonnecessarily none of the none of the that have it as a Sacrament a Sacrament wait you're a Catholic I'm a Catholic and that's not true wait what's not true yeah it is true in the Catholic church

Andrew Wilsonofficial Catholic Doctrine is that lgbtq marriage is not allowed that's I said I'm a Catholic but did I say that that's the all Christian doctrine no I just said I personally Catholic so I'm

Andrew Wilsonfamiliar with how Christians are you aware of sacraments then that Christians have sacraments she said a Sacrament marriage is a sacrament to the Catholic church it's a sacrament to the Orthodox

Andrew WilsonChurch the the churches which will marry lgbtq people don't see marriage as a Sacrament they don't do sacramental marriage okay set up the

Andrew Wilsonsplit so I'd like to note right you do you do recognize that the church excludes uh this group from Marriage you recognize that's true

Alexright um I'm not I I guess they as a a Sacrament but I do know that there are churches that

Alexwill marry gay couples yeah maybe perhaps not called a Sacrament yeah you would agree with me to me the words I didn't know Sacrament is is uh specific

Alexto well you take communion right Catholic Church yes what is that I I understand that that's a Sacrament but I didn't Sacrament was like a holy practice I thought that could be applicable to any church excuse you call

Andrew Wilsonit a Sacrament I guess but what makes it that so this is this is where the argument goes right would you agree with me that somebody could worship Satan but ID themselves as a Christian they could

Andrew Wilsonself ID that way they could say I'm a Christian you could self as whatever you want but that doesn't mean it's true yeah right exactly so you can self ideas whatever you want but it doesn't make you that thing so we have to have

Andrew Wilsonspecific criteria for what makes you that thing so uh the Catholics are going to believe that they are the true church the Orthodox believe that they are the true church right so they're excluding

Andrew Wilsonthese groups as being Christians based around self ID and I think that that's totally reasonable but they definitely exclude lgbtq from

TiffanyMarriage okay so you think G people should date or shouldn't date they could if they want to but I mean I'm just saying that gay marriage

Tiffanyisn't a thing because marriage has an objective definition what bring it back to the original thing though what original

Backgroundthing that the man should be making the decisions oh man should be making decisions but for the benefit of the

Tiffanyfamily children not him well yeah I kind of I said that because when people say only like when when the TRD guys say like oh I only get to make decisions in

Tiffanymy family it sounds kind of like dictator Vibes you know but that's not what really is about you know and

Tiffanywhat's it about it's not about um being kind of like prideful and arrogant and making decisions because like you're the only smart one in the

Tiffanyhousehold or you're the only competent one you just make decisions in the best interest of your family yeah but who gets to determine what's in the best interest of your

Andrew Wilsonfamily the guy okay so then I don't really understand the circular logic here how could he be doing anything which is prideful or etc etc unless you are the one who's telling him that if

Tiffanyhe's the one in charge of the family no I I'm saying like other kind of like left leaning people kind of hear it that way when when that's when Trad

Andrew Wilsonguys claim that why disagree with your with your assessment and forgive me I'll steal man at first to make sure that I have it correct so that I'm not not mischaracterizing your position but I

Andrew Wilsonbelieve that your position here is to say that a man is a sacrifice for his family because of that he is the leader of the family but that's due to the

Andrew Wilsonself-sacrifice for the family not that he's the leader uh and he should be leading for himself he should only be leading for the family

Andrew Wilsonright um what do you mean leading for himself well that's what I don't understand what is the man in the relationship here he's the leader the leader but you say yeah but you say his criteria for leadership is

Andrew Wilsonself-sacrifice part of it yes okay so uh I don't I don't

Tiffanyunderstand that part of position I think God just gave men the rule of leadership women sacrif purpose of self

Tiffanysacrifice well they have well they have to sacrifice yeah they have to sacrifice right but they have to take care of themselves first right because how otherwise how could they sacrifice to

Andrew Wilsonanybody else like how how can a man for instance take care of his family if he's not also putting his own needs and Welfare uh to the Forefront as well how could how could they even do

Andrew Wilsonthat what's an example of like putting himself first work so let's take for instance work is sacrificial right um but you're going to he's going to need to have plenty of RNR time plenty of

Andrew Wilsonrelaxed time he's going to have to be taken care of himself as well and part of the obligation duty of leader ERS ship is also putting your needs your needs um I see I think that I think that

Andrew Wilsonyou have it backwards I think a man actually does have to put his needs first in order to make those sacrifices for his family yeah I'd I'd agree with that it's

Andrew Wilsonlike in the long term it's beneficial for his family right exactly so yeah so ultimately I think that I think that the man does need to have his needs uh come

Andrew Wilsonup for first and foremost otherwise he can't take care of anybody else how could he yeah

Andrew Wilsonyeah so that's all I was just clarifying the position so I think the left has it right when they uh characterize uh the right and conservatives as saying well wait a second you just think that this

Andrew Wilsonman's a meany head dictator who's putting himself first well in many ways yes uh he is putting himself first because otherwise how can he sacrifice for you right how how could he do it

Andrew Wilsonright if he's not healthy he's not uh he's not available to sacrifice right

Andrew Wilsonyeah I just think that that's a good thing I just think it's a good thing that's all at least if you wanted a traditional relationship and it used to be that way inside traditional

Andrew Wilsonrelationships that the uh the movement towards uh man's relaxation R in our time and things like this were catered to that way he could make those uh those

Andrew WilsonS those sacrifices with his body right that was the

Andrew Wilsonpoint so anyway yeah I don't know where Brian wanted to move on from here so is what what is Brian doing is he is he microwaving a burrito right now is microwaving a

Andrew Wilsonburrito don't know okay well this one comes up quite a bit and I'll bring so I'll bring this one up with the panel real fast so there's been an ongoing

Andrew WilsonTwitter dispute uh all over the place um this is with religious and non-religious circles on it it's about this question

Andrew Wilsonand the question is for women in a married relationship is sex a Duty or not a duty are you obligated in a marriage to

Andrew Wilsonhave sex with your husband and we'll uh we'll go around the table to ask the question and we'll start with you and

Alexred go ahead yeah yes I do believe um in a uh I'm assuming like as a normal

Alexrelationship assuming there's no like crazy outlying factors affecting the relationship I medical and stuff like that yeah yeah like stuff like that I

Alexmean in in a normal marriage I do think it's your duty and I and I do agree with you about uh a man's needs um being

Alexcatered to in order for him to you know fulfill his role as the man of the house or man of whatever you know household relationship whatever um but also I

Alexthink it's um a man's duty to have sex with his wife too so okay yeah yeah I understand that we we'll go around the table um actually pretty Bas take uh

Andrew Wilsonnext I am Bas by the way don't you see I'm in head to toe red I just like to argue with you really quick you want pizza I do well I mean well then well then it's good for you uh so so moving to the

Andrew Wilsonmoving moving to the next on the table um no thank you the qu do you need me to repeat the question you need me to repeat the question don't you you like checked out to to the 18-year-old only fans girl you just checked out you don't even know

Cenawhat you don't even know what the question is no I do know what the question is all right all right go ahead I think you're referring to of sex is the duty for women or men or like just

Cenagenerally in the Rel is there a duty to have sex is there an obligation to have sex in marriage I think that a relationship or

Cenaa marriage without sex will eventually die because yeah so the question the question is not what you think about it just yes or no is there an obligation in

Tonya marriage to have sex yes okay moving around the table next yes okay I don't have an opinion on this at this time I I haven't formed an I don't I

Andrew Wilsonhaven't formed an opinion on it too if okay so so I I won't hold this against you but kneejerk just like a kneejerk my my my kneejerk leans towards yes because

Tonyokay like your your physical relationship is part of your your union or what makes someone a significant other like I have 100

Tonyplatonic relationships but that's the that's the thing that makes a PL that changes a platonic relationship to a an emotional significant relationship my-

Andrew Wilsonreaction and then moving moving around the table from there is a is a woman obligated to give sex in a relation or in a marriage is she obligated to do

Andrew Wilsonso wa is this is it to me yeah um come on guys pay attention pay attention we're going around the table well I thought you were asking a different

Tiffanyquestion so no it's the same question I kind of agree with her but like the way you're phrasing the question kind of sounds like forceful but at the same

Andrew Wilsontime yes I don't know yeah so without the caveats just for now is do are you obligated to give sex in a

Tiffanymarriage are you obligated to do so I think it's two different questions the first question you asked was like is it a women's a woman's duty to

Andrew Wilsonhave sex in a relationship yeah well what is it I'm sorry I'm I'm confused a duty is an obligation correct thank you sort of well what else could it be I

Andrew Wilsondon't know it sounds kind of more like in fact I will I will just give you the Google definition of the word Duty for some reason I'm guessing right that it's going to say

Andrew Wilsonobligation right in it let's see Duty definition uh a moral or legal legal

Andrew Wilsonobligation a moral or legal obligation is what a duty is so yeah so is a woman oig to have sex in her okay then yes

Meganokay so then next you go yes I do think so you think so yes yes yes yes into the M yes it should definitely be a part of a

Silly (Sylvie)marriage yes I think it's your duty to F fulfill itself so ful

Silly (Sylvie)F ful F fulfill thank you fulfill thanks each other's needs so if sex is one of them then you should de so you have an obligation to

Andrew Wilsondo so uh if if you feel like that in a marriage yes if you don't feel like it no okay so uh just very quickly show of

Andrew Wilsonhands at the table everybody who said yes there is an obligation do so okay so now that we have the obligation standard applied here's the question

Andrew Wilsonthis is going around the feminist circles there was a woman who was receiving chemotherapy and her husband came in every single night to receive head from

Andrew Wilsonher right she was by this logic obligated to give him said head is that correct and we'll go around the table

Alexagain um well I did put that stipulation in my answer um so I I think this is like something they should probably talk

Alexabout in therapy uh because I'm assuming um maybe the woman is not feeling her best but I do think you know you should

Alexstill try you still are in a marriage um however I think that the man should be like more lenient during these times or

Alexif you're a very open-minded person than maybe me personally I mean she's obligated right well yes I do think that you're obligated to ensure that your

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