She Sent Her Ex Gorilla ?! Body Count RESETS After 7 Years?! Single Since 2007?! | Dating Talk #209

Date: 2024-10-30

Duration: 7h 43m

Guests

Brian Atlas

LLeah (Ukraine/DT211)>

TTiffany (DT215)>

MMegan (DT209)>

EElizabeth (DT209)>

SSylvie (DT209)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_02Cena(guest)

SPEAKER_03Silly (Sylvie)(guest)

SPEAKER_04Leah(guest)

SPEAKER_05Tiffany(guest)

SPEAKER_06Megan(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS/Donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_11Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_12Elizabeth(guest)

SPEAKER_13Tony(guest)

SPEAKER_14Alex(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteCena claims projected income of six figures per month from OnlyFans (started 2 months ago). 'I started two months ago... six figures so that's your projected projected income yeah from the rate that I'm going.'

ControversyLeah accuses TTS donors of toxic masculinity for comments about Cena. Andrew spends several minutes arguing that Leah's generalization about men is actually toxic femininity by her own definition.

QuoteBrian asks Leah: 'You're 21, will you be better looking at 31?' — Leah says yes. Cena says she wants a nose job and will be most attractive at 29, still better-looking than now at 59.

QuoteAlex reveals ex cheated on her with her doppelganger, convinced her to cut hair in a bob, then dated a third lookalike. 'He sent my extensions back in because I don't want to be a triplet anymore.'

QuoteTony says: 'penis size cancels out body count' — then clarifies she meant the reverse. Extended discussion on whether sex acts cancel each other out.

QuoteTony reveals single since 2007: 'You've been single since the Bush Administration. Yes. George Bush. That's true. That's affirmative.' — 17 years single.

ControversyAndrew and Alex heated argument about collective standards for unattractive women. Andrew: 'You're dumb as a box of [blank] rocks' — Alex fires back that if women are dying less in combat roles it means they do the job better.

ControversyAndrew quotes Ephesians 5:22 to argue Tiffany (Christian) should be willing to bow to her husband. Tiffany: 'I'm not your maid, I'm your wife.' Extended theological debate about submission, worship vs respect.

QuoteBrian on first date requirements: woman must do laundry on a washboard, hang clothes on clothesline, churn butter within 3 days, and knit a cardigan. 'She has to be a virgin dwarf under 25 who knows how to knit and churn butter.'

QuoteAlex bows to Brian on camera. Then champagne bottle struggles — Brian cannot open 3 consecutive bottles (15-minute ordeal). Cena opens one easily after Brian fails.

OtherTony (walkoff) announces she has to leave at 12:30am, has been waiting 20 minutes. Brian: 'That's kind of rude but okay.' Tony leaves before the final roast session.

QuoteBrian's hypergamy/makeup speech: women use makeup to inflate dating value, chase men out of their league, end up in situationships, then marry 'suckers' in 30s and divorce within 3 years. 'That's why we have two 10s at the table.'

Topics Discussed

Introductions

All 8 guests introduce themselves: name, age, location, occupation. Brian also teases Andrew Wilson joining later.

Relationship Status Round

Each guest shares relationship status, longest relationship, who broke up with whom. Tony reveals she's been single since 2007 (17 years). Leah reveals she dated a woman for 2.5yr. Silly reveals her open relationship. Megan reveals ex died of overdose.

Cena's OnlyFans Career

Extended discussion about Cena (18yo) doing OnlyFans to pay for engineering school and provide for parents. Panel debates ethics, parental approval, Asian family dynamics, income claims (~6 figures/month projected), plans to become influencer. Tony encourages her to stick with engineering. TTS donors weigh in heavily.

Self-Ratings (1-10 Looks)

Panel rates their own looks 1-10. Andrew (calling in) joins and asks probing questions about whether guests can describe an unattractive woman. Debate about delusion vs confidence. Brian shows old Instagram photos. Age advancement AI filter used on Discord. Discussion of whether women will look better in 10/20/30 years.

Dating Stories & Pre-Show Notes

Each guest's notable dating stories/hot takes: Alex moved to Oklahoma for cheating ex (doppelganger story). Tony's obese blind date, bad long-distance year-long phone relationship, 6-kid man. Megan's car fire ex story, sending gorilla poop. Silly's open relationship and GameStop boyfriend. Fish pick debate.

Toxic Masculinity Debate

Leah accuses certain donor comments of toxic masculinity. Andrew rebuts: is her generalization about men toxic femininity? Extended back-and-forth about definitions. Leah clarifies she was addressing specific comments about Cena as a woman doing OnlyFans.

Monogamy & Open Relationships

Silly asks why monogamy is 'the way to go.' Andrew argues open relationships fail 95% of the time. Discussion of Silly's open relationship structure. Andrew explains why monogamy creates societal stability. Silly's previous open relationship ended when boyfriend found another woman.

Cultural Nationalism & Dating Within Culture

Tiffany's hot take: date within your culture and nationality. Andrew frames it as 'cultural nationalism.' Japan example. Debate about whether this is racist. Alex disagrees. Tiffany clarifies: Americans should date Americans (assimilated). Discussion of non-English speakers in America.

Only Men Should Make Family Decisions

Tiffany's hot take: men should make family decisions (for benefit of family not themselves). Andrew debates this, argues man's sacrifice (dying for family) justifies leadership. Debate on man laying down his life vs woman's role. Tony asks about income earners and submission.

Sex as Duty in Marriage

Panel debate: is sex a duty/obligation in marriage? All guests say yes with caveats. Andrew poses: woman on chemotherapy — still obligated? Discussion gets nuanced. Jake donor asks: if wife declines sex and man cheats, is she to blame?

Election / Voting Debate

Panel reveals voting intentions. Tiffany won't vote (no point). Tony voted Chase Oliver first, Trump second (Alaska ranked choice). Silly can't vote (Belgian). Andrew argues third-party voting is futile — two-party system inevitable due to collective power dynamics. Upcoming election co-stream announced (Nov 5 Election Day).

Bowing to Your Man

Brian shows bow video of ex-girlfriend. Panel reacts. Tony has softened since first seeing the bow argument. Most women say they would bow for the right man. Tiffany objects (not a maid). Andrew quotes Ephesians 5:22. Discussion of submission, sacrament, Asian wife bowing culture. Andrew: choking analogy (reciprocal obligations).

Champagne Pop Spectacle

Donor sends champagne. Brian struggles to open multiple champagne bottles for 15 minutes (becomes a running bit). Cena opens one easily. Andrew mocks Brian relentlessly. Eventually a different brand opens. Cheers to donor 'Walking Rosco.'

Women in Military / Male Sacrifice

Andrew's argument: men collectively die for women; women don't die for men collectively. Alex counters with women in military. Elizabeth (Army vet) provides insider perspective on women's combat roles. Andrew argues women are physically incapable of same roles. Jessica Lynch cited as example of why women shouldn't be in combat zones.

Hypergamy & Dating Market

Brian's speech on how makeup artificially inflates women's dating market value, causing them to chase men out of their league. Alex pushes back claiming she makes ~$800k/year (disputed by Andrew and Brian given 20K Instagram followers). Body count discussion as context.

Makeup Debate

Andrew and Brian debate whether makeup is deceptive. Panel watches Asian transformation video. Makeup wipes challenge — no one takes off their makeup on camera. Leah admits she wore makeup to fit in with other women at the show. Discussion of deception threshold, men being disadvantaged (can't wear makeup). Brian argues makeup inflates women's dating market value.

Body Count & Alpha Widow Discussion

Panel gives body counts. Brian discusses alpha widow concept applying to men sexually. Discussion of whether virginity is better for a man. Cena and Tony give their body counts.

Andrew Wilson's Outro

Andrew leaves the show (~7:18). Brian announces Andrew will be on Sunday show and Election Day co-stream. Panel thanks Andrew.

Transcript

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Brian Atlashave no idea about like your biography or anything but wait pull up pull up my old Instagram photos but go ahead go ahead yeah yeah that's that's what I

Leahsense that in the past you probably felt less attractive than you became and right now that's for me

Tiffanypersonally yeah just yeah are you psychic no why just cuz like that's what you like that's that was your vision when you first saw him um that's that

Leahwas my impression for sure I had I had a glow up yeah that's that's what I'm feeling maybe I'm completely wrong but that's I had a I had a fat up I got

Alexchubby man all right pull up the Instagram this is Young Briant f11 f11 f11 this is before is that the scroll down scroll all the way is that you in the crop top up there hold up all the

Brian Atlasway to the bottom all the way to the bottom all right you can scroll up a bit all right keep going just kind of scroll

Brian Atlasup all right scroll up Scroll up anyways yeah there you go yeah you

Brian Atlasthink I'm better looking right here sending those pictures my taste I would not like you I like facial hair too so that's a plus for you those pictures

Tonyokay I guess put that down as a W for Brian okay what do you rate me you're at six but I also wanted to add that when I think of the scale 1 through 10 sometimes I've I've heard people describe the scale 1 through 10 like 9

Tonyto 10 is the top 10% 8 to9 is the 80 to 90% but when it comes to averages that's not how bell curves work there's a lot more people that live in the the 4 to six Zone um like when it when it comes

Tonyto like a standard deviation at zero you're about 66% of the people are going to are going to be within the that middle average okay I agree with that uh what

Brian Atlaswhat you rate me oh boy like a four and a half or five okay what do you rate me I give you a nine bro come on dude I would she give me a nine out of

Andrew Wilsonit all right what do you give me a six gives me a six okay what do you give me four four all right okay to the to the girl who rated you a nine I have to ask

Meganum can you describe for me what an ugly woman looks like an ugly woman yeah into the mic into the mic why would I talk why would I describe an ugly woman we're not even talking about women right now mister yeah I I know can you can you

Andrew Wilsondescribe for me though when an ugly woman looks like did you just like you do you do agree that there are some women who on the on the planet who are ugly right no I don't think any women on this planet are ug so then so then ER standard is erroneous that there's no

Andrew Wilsonsuch thing as anybody who's a so a person can be in a burn victim Ward half their face is melted off their tongue is sticking out they have a hunchback on their back right this person is still

Andrew Wilsonyou consider them to be physically attractive I mean yeah have you seen the Hunchback of NRE Dame yeah you consider him you consider Quasimoto physically

Meganattractive to you honestly if he can be the lead in a Disney movie then he is

Andrew Wilsonattractive I think beauty is in the eye like you have to think about it like I agree beauty is in the eye of the beholder so I'm asking what is the least beautiful type of person you can describe cuzz I would consider that to

Andrew Wilsonbe ugly to someone who's like evil like I think if you're a bad person you're ugly but like yeah but what about their physical characteristics not their emotional or innate characteristics like

Andrew Wilsonlike let's say a person was in a coma and had never spoken a word their entire life right so you had no idea what their personality was like you could only see what they physically looked like mhm inside of that situation the person who

Meganphysically looked the worst would look like what I don't even and like I I I know how to answer that like why are we thinking why not think about pretty

Andrew Wilsonthings like why are we thinking about ugly people well because in order to think about what is pretty I think that you have to have the other end of the standard which is what is not pretty and so I'm asking you what a thing which is

Andrew Wilsonnot pretty in a person looks like physically otherwise how can we how can we judge a standard for instance how can I judge your standard for what beautiful is if you can't tell me the other end of it which is what it ugly is how can I

Andrew Wilsonhow could I ever judge your standard as being something which is in any way shape or form Dependable okay well I just think well can I just say why I find

Meganattractive about Brian is it Brian or is it Brandon now how about how about you tell me what you find unattractive about I don't know like I just find I feel like I'm my brain like

Meganis at a point where like attractiveness is really just based on like the inside like would you ask this question to Stevie Wonder yes Stevie Wonder yes I would ask him what does a beautiful woman look like

Andrew Wilsonand he'd be like well I think you know he would he would dive into you know oh I'm I'm I'm guessing that she has a volumptuous bosom and a nice rounded heiny and all sorts of different things

Andrew Wilsonthat I'm sure Stevie Wonder would say as uh my understanding was that Stevie Wonder had a way with the ladies once upon a time so I'm guessing he had a standard as well okay I do have

Andrew Wilsonstandards and they're very high but I just oh well what I mean what a shock so you have really really high standards for the type of men you will date right and so then we've rule out all types of

Andrew Wilsonmenu won't date what do the types of menu don't date look like by chance well I know their pockets look empty that's one I don't like brokies I like a guy who's ambitious yeah I know I know great

MeganI'm just the physical characteristics okay okay I don't like guys okay I guess for my preference I don't like um guys with blonde hair that much even though

Meganmy first kiss was a blonde guy but like I want to have like you know a t a tall dark stallion you know what I mean mhm

Meganum I don't like guys who look like childish like when you were younger you looked a little bit childish but like that's okay cuz you were young but like I you know why do I have to answer what I find unattractive

Andrew Wilsonso you don't like so you don't like soft Doughboy looking men yeah exactly okay great so you would consider them to be unattractive yes okay great now can you tell me what what would be an

Andrew Wilsonunattractive standard for a woman why does have to be a woman like I think all wom why why does it matter how can you say what's unattractive men but not women how would you ever judge what a beauty standard is how could you

Andrew Wilsonendlessly compare yourself to women if you can't even tell me what an unattractive woman looks like and now hang on here's the part where you [ __ ] me I never compare myself to other women don't [ __ ] me don't

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] me just tell me what does an unattractive woman look like I don't I I don't compare myself to other women first of all okay sure okay you're the only one on planet Earth who's never compared yourself to another woman I

Meganmean I wouldn't say never but I just feel like an unattractive woman is like a really mean evil woman like I don't know what she would look like physical physical characteristic physical yes

Alexlike I feel like obviously there's conventional beauty standards so of course like we as women um things to make ourselves more attractive conventionally right yeah but how would

Andrew Wilsonyou know what that was unless you were comparing yourself to other women of course I do compare myself to other women yeah yeah so see that's a totally honest answer that I can respect I understand that I understand saying I compare myself to other women that's how

Andrew WilsonI know what the conventional Beauty standard is and that's how I know what's attractive or unattractive so I'm guessing from your position for instance a woman who is like 300 lb and 5'6 you

Alexwould probably rule out as particularly attractive right yes but I do think that like in this day and age there's so much that you can do to you can make yourself attractive like you could start off ugly

Alexand overweight and you can do a lot to yourself to make yourself suddenly attract I'm not disputing that you can't change physical characteristics to make yourself more attractive all I'm asking

Alexis what isra unattractive woman look like unattractive I would say is overweight um I'm big on teeth so like

Alexmess up teeth you know acne skin um I think unhygienic like hygiene is a big factor of attractiveness to me

Alexso that would be like clean Nails clean teeth shower odor those things also play a role in in appearing attractive I believe but of course you know like do

Alexyou do your hair your makeup your nails and you know everybody has different levels of to do they want to Full Beat on their face of makeup or do they just want like a little something you know

Andrew Wilsonbut like I think yeah that would be probably my answer MH okay so if a woman fit the those criteria for what you consider to be unattractive and let me just make sure I can go through the list

Andrew Wilsonwhich I think is a reasonable list obesity not very hygienic which I think if you're if you're highly obese usually you're not very hygienic anyway right that that usually goes kind of hand

Andrew Wilsoninand um you would agree with that right like not generally more or generally yeah more or less right lots of acne on the face uh really bad teeth right all

Andrew Wilsonof these different things gross hair you consider all those to be qualities of an unattractive woman uh so so I would tend to agree that that's true so would you say if one of those women then called

Andrew Wilsonthemselves a 10 that they were delusional that's my question yes and to the 10 would you say that a woman had those

Alexcharacteristics and said that she was a 10 would she be delusional yeah but it's okay to live in delusion if you it's not hurting me if you believe if you are conventionally unattractive and believe you're it's

Andrew Wilsonokay to live in delusion it's not my life if you want to live like that I don't care like it's it really doesn't affect me would you prefer to live in delusion or no I prefer to live in reality but like don't you think most

Andrew Wilsonpeople well if people but it's also not my job to go up to someone who believes they not yeah but don't don't delusional people affect reality with their delusions I mean

Alexthat's that that's literally why we lock delusional people up I feel like in a place like La if you believe you're a 10 and you are clearly not a 10 reality is going to hit you like a briak wall especially in California yeah I agree I

Andrew Wilsonagree with that too but back over to the 10 just time the answer from you uh it would you say that if a woman met all those criteria for what she considered unattractive that and this person called themselves a

Megan10 that they would be delusional I would say they're very confident and they you know dulu is sometimes a culu if that helps you go

Meganthrough the day you thinking you're a 10 then more so they're coping so they're coping yeah like they're coping yeah they're coping they're living in their in their world and it's like they're not hurting anyone so it's like yeah they've

Alexalready got enough going on they're overweight they have bad skin they have bad teeth they've only got enough on their plate like let them have their little delusion okay yeah but but how do they change those things you let them live in that delusion how do you change

Andrew Wilsonwhat sorry how do how do they change those things if you let them live in delusion um if they want to live that lifestyle that's for yeah I know that might I'm going to ask a question though maybe

Andrew Wilsonanswer my the question I ask instead of the one I'm not asking so here's a question I'm asking you how does a woman who has all those characteristics but says she's a 10 and is living in

Andrew Wilsondelusion by your metric how does she change these things if nobody ever tells her that she's

Megandelusional um how does she change these things no one tells her she's delusional maybe she doesn't want to who who am I to decide that for

Andrew Wilsonher do you do you think that a person because remember how the the gal um I guess from your perspective would be to my left in red is that correct yeah is

Andrew Wilsonthat from your perspective to my left no I'm to your right to my right okay so to the G on the to my right in the red remember how she said and I agree with this and I think you do too

Andrew Wilsonthat people can have all sorts of unattractive traits right uh and change them they can change them so that they can actually become more attractive and and live more fulfilled lives how can

Alexthey do that if if you let them live in delusion I think that there's like a gentle way to you know say if you're severely overweight like you can come at

Alexit less from a superficial perspective of like the Aesthetics of it and more so like hey girl like you want to come to the gym with me you want to you know

Alexlike go get sweet green for lunch instead of whatever you're e you know like so as it turns out it's not good to let them live in delusion so you

Andrew Wilsonso not hurting anybody so what's the problem they might hang on hang on hang on you said you're not hurting anybody what's the problem with letting them live in delusion we get to the heart of it it looks like there's quite a big problem with letting them live in

Andrew Wilsondelusion and you would say hey girl let's go get a salad so that you can burn some of that fat off your body right that's what you would say to them right you wouldn't allow them to live in delusion apparently you see it as being

Alexa problem as well isn't that that's interesting right I think it's only a problem if it's somebody that it's a problem to me if it's somebody that I love and care about because then there

Alexcan be like there can be like actual like risks and health issues involved with that but if it's just like a random person on the street who lives in delusion like that's not really affecting me but if it's someone that I love and care about of course I would

Andrew Wilsonlike you know try and encourage them yeah but isn't that a great cruelty if somebody is living in in delusion and you're just unwilling to tell them that they're being delusional because you don't want to hurt their feelings isn't

Andrew Wilsonisn't that cruel isn't that actually the worst thing to do isn't that the crest thing that you can do to a person is lie to them about their delusion I'm not lying to anybody I'm just like ignoring

Andrew Wilsonpeople on the street that I don't know like I'm not lying to them I didn't tell them you're you're omitting the truth from them right and I'm guessing that if somebody you walk up to fat people on the street and tell them that they need to lose weight yeah well if somebody if

Andrew Wilsonsomebody was if somebody was walking down the street and said to a woman she let's say that she had a sign that said I'm a beautiful 10 and she had all these unattractive qualities and a guy walked over to her and went no you're not you're ugly as sin because this this

Andrew Wilsonthis and this and this right you need to change all that [ __ ] you would probably say he being mean but that's not mean right he's pointing out this is delusional how could these people change this if he never if nobody ever tells

Andrew Wilsonthem there's a difference between being rude and constructive criticism yeah yeah but what if the rudeness right what of the constru constructive criticism never jars a person out of the

Andrew Wilsondelusion but it rudess does so if somebody walks by and they're like no all these people are lying to you they're bullshitting right they're all bullshitting you you're not beautiful you're actually quite ugly and here's the things you need to change and then

Alexyou will be beautiful right who's doing the bigger favor well I'll give you an analogy since you love analogies so Lady Gaga

Alexwas arguably incredibly delusional when she went to NYU Tish my brother went to Tish so uh he knows a little bit of the backstory of Lady Gaga AKA Stephanie

Alexthere was um I guess she was super annoying in the program she was in the recorded music program she was still annoying she was super annoying and she would she would tell everybody she's

Alexgoing to be famous and that that's all she wanted to do was be famous they actually created a Facebook group at NYU called Stephanie so and so you will never be famous about Gaga and clearly

Alexyou know she was delusional enough and and manifested that delusion into her current reality so you know I do think that people are very quick to call a lot

Alexof people delusional um but there is also a sense of delusion and I mean maybe believing in yourself can be called delusional so I think it's a very subjective but I

Andrew Wilsonthink it's very subjective when you when you utilize an outlier like you say one chick in 100 million

Andrew Wilsonwas able to become a massive pop star sensation which is never going to happen to any of you at this table it's never going to happen to anybody that you know likely right not saying it's impossible but it's just the likelihood of it is

Andrew Wilsonnot great right you would all agree that that's true you're not going to become a Lady Gaga success story tomorrow um and if you did it would be extraordinary it'd be like getting hit by lightning twice it's possible but it's just very

Andrew Wilsonunlikely so when you appeal to an outlier and you say but some women can be delusional or some men can be delusional and still have good outcomes I wouldn't even argue that that's true but for the vast vast majority of people

Andrew Wilsonthat's clearly not true and it still seems to me that it would be a great disservice to pretend uh that a person is ex just to feed into their delusion especially if you think that telling them they could make those improvements

Andrew Wilsonso they could get there like for instance maybe there's a lot of things there that we're not thinking about with Lady Gaga maybe people told her things like um hey you need to stop doing this or maybe you need to get this tummy tuck or maybe you need to get this Boop job

Andrew Wilsonor you have to do a b c and d in order to be in this industry at all and I'm sure she had to do all sorts of changes to break these delusions right so um yeah I'm I'm I'm I'm guessing even from

Andrew Wilsonthe case of what you're talking about uh there still had to be some delusion breaking but isn't that ultimately the least cruel thing you can do is tell people what the truth is so that they can they can take care of these

Andrew Wilsonproblems um I don't know someone else want to like here I'll give you a really good example really good example let's say a man is really attractive to you to

Andrew Wilsonto the tent but he's broke right oh God would you give him the advice that if he wanted to date you he could go make more

Andrew Wilsonmoney uh yes you would so you think he's delusional for wanting to date you with no money and you're willing to tell him the truth

Meganso that then he can improve his situation to get the thing that he wants right I mean if he asked but I wouldn't say it like unsolicited but I would say

Meganit is slightly delusional but that's okay dulu can be the Tulu maybe he'll find someone that doesn't care about how much money he makes and that is and well

TTS/Donationsmet long paladins donated $200 and2 dumb black shirt girl quy Modo in the Disney movie got friend zoned and

TTS/DonationsDes moral who ended up dating the 6ot tall chat hero Soldier even poor quazi Modo would be called an incel by the feminist your response wait I there's so

Andrew Wilsonmuch tpack here I don't know who these people are I think that was to um The Hunchback of or who brought up the Hunchback of first of all I'm very smart he said that

Andrew Wilsonthe Hunchback was extremely attractive CU he was the lead in an animated Disney movie okay into the mic okay wait sorry can you go back to that I need to read that one more time okay I'll play it again

TTS/Donationspale and well met cheers L paladins donated $200 and2 dumb black shirt girl quasim Modo in the Disney movie got

TTS/Donationsfriend zone and Des moral who ended up dating the 6ft tall chat hero Soldier even poor quasi Modo would be called an Insel by the feminist Yo La paladins thank you for the TTS sorry for the

Megandelay there we have to do a bit of a moderation for tonight night show on the on everything but okay um okay okay so I don't blame her for choosing the

Megansix-foot guy and if she found him unattractive that is that's fine and yeah and I'm not dumb

TTS/Donationsokay me Birdman donated $200 thank you Birdman describing an ugly woman doesn't mean that you can't find beauty in that woman finding Beauty in everyone takes

Andrew Wilsonwork but denying unattractiveness is delusions stop being delusional yeah and I I can make this I can actually form this into the easiest way possible how many of you here have ever been on a

Andrew Wilsondating app raise your hand not you though 10 right you've never been on a dating app in your life huh no really I'm old fashioned you've

Andrew Wilsonnever been online and seen men who you have you have chatted with for dates ever I mean on Instagram sure like okay great and you don't know anything about

Andrew Wilsonthese people right all you can see is their picture mhm you a show of hands if you've ever rejected a guy based on their

Alexpicture yeah everybody every so somehow somehow we're able to ascertain attraction here isn't that interesting mhm but also I would I would not match with a fish pict picture so

Alexthat's not that's not about your physical looks that's about your your activity wait you would to date a guy who's holding up a fish no why you mean Jesus fish no it's just like it's just

Alexit tells me all I need to know about you like like a bass a bass fish like holding up a fish and you're dating at picture what what does it tell you about them it's just like like to fish yeah

Alexbut hold on let's let her answer I don't know it just tells me what I need to know like if that's the best pict of yourself also like do you think I'm going to be impressed by the fish the

Andrew Wilsonsize of the fish what does it tell you um I don't like Outdoors men what okay well this is actually kind of amazing right because I think that you actually said you kind of told on

Andrew Wilsonyourself there a little bit you said what how are you trying to impress me with a fish well not trying to impress you trying to show you about them they're not trying to impress you with her they're not like big fish woman like

Andrew Wilsonwoman like big fish now woman date right they're they're trying to convey to you a thing about them that they are very proud of this thing that they did and that that they enjoy they're they're

Andrew Wilsondoing a conveyance about them it's not to impress perhaps you I don't really give a [ __ ] regard this yeah I mean per per perhaps you don't but it's still it's still worth

Andrew Wilsonnoting is we're talking about relationship dynamics that uh we're talking about the distinction in perceptions of people I don't think that men post pictures of them having just

Andrew Wilsonyou know killed a deer or holding up a fish or them in the outdoors to convey to you uh with grunting me make big fish now we go back to my cave right I don't think that that's the point I think the

Brian Atlaspoint is that they're just trying to convey what they're about that's all wait and really quick on the fish thing to show of hands who else here if

Brian Atlasthe guy has a fish pick is that not about it not about the fish pick anybody else you oh you don't

Silly (Sylvie)like you don't like it no it's not in my interests so fishing yeah no yeah I don't think we would a lot in common

Andrew Wilsonthen because he fishes yes so wait you're saying I okay I didn't know this but are you saying that there's an actual cheat code for men to rule out

Alexhorrible [ __ ] women by just posting picture of them with fish Onre they can just rule out by just posting a picture of that's

Meganall you have to do baby why don't why don't you like it no there just one guy I know who did that I and like it just didn't end up well so that's just okay and then you seem to be

Leahon the fence on this into the mic I don't mind fishing at all I I mean it's just I understand what you're talking

Leahabout out because most of the fishing picks they they can seem concerning for the women I understand what what you're

Leahtalking about but if it's if it's the fish picture with the guy in whose eyes it can just look and understand that

Leahokay I'm interested in that face I I he's not looking scary he's not looking unattractive to me I can still swipe right but yeah I I kind of understand

Leahyeah why is it concerning I I didn't say it's concerning you literally said concerning oh sorry sorry yeah yeah yeah um cuz

Leahsometimes those fishing pictures uh they oh it's hard to explain um sometimes they show automatically the

Leaha very low income and it's not about stereotype um with the like connected to the fishing absolutely not it's just sometimes it's a shitty taken picture it's the guy just looking you know he's he's he's dressed in a very messy weird

Leahclothes and he's just like you know and it looks unattractive to me personally on okay let me let me stop stop stop stop stop stop stop let me simplify this a little bit if the

Brian Atlaspicture is well taken yeah and he's holding a fish is it still a problem no if I so it's the it has nothing to do with the fish picture then it's a very

Tiffanyso your criticism is not it's about poorly taken photos however I digress I kind of agree

Tiffanyto the the fact that most fish pictures are kind of like poorly taken yeah they're but I think they're fish so objection fish picture or that they're

Leahpoorly taken it's the whole aesthetic it's not about the hobby it's not about the hobby of fishing it's about something else in the picture but hold on hold on so if it's not about the

Brian Atlashobby of but it's about taking a picture and put it and the having the picture on the dating app no it's about what is the issue okay I will try my best to explain

Leahthis usually um the situation with the fishing picture is that them first of all the the way it is taken yeah

Leahsometimes it's it's a very weird way of taking this picture sometimes it's it's a very bad quality of the picture and you so quality of the picture is good

Andrew Wilsonand it's a fish picture 100% okay no issue with it absolutely not yes no no issue with that at all to solve this

Andrew Wilsonproblem all a man needs to do is get his trophy bash out of the river run down get his haircut real quick and his beard trimmed and then go over and have professional studio grade quality

Andrew Wilsonbackgrounds put up look into the camera with full makeup and hold the fish up without any waiters on at all and he's going to be in good shape then I don't really like the fish picks that are

Alextaken in like the local Creek I want the big fish in the middle of the ocean yes on the yacht exactly

Brian Atlasyeah and no waiters absolutely no waiters in the picture please okay do Chad but we'll come back back to this uh North Alberta kid girl

Brian Atlasin chair one clear skin is good feature of physical attractiveness yes would you care to remember remove your makeup for the rest of the show PS girls State your opinions without saying I feel

Alexlike um do you want I don't want to remove my makeup because the whole point is to make me more attractive because I'm self-aware enough and not delusional enough to know that like in order to

Brian Atlasmake myself more attractive I do wear makeup so period okay and then uh going around the table kind of wrapping up on the uh rating question uh do you think

Alexyou'll be better looking in 10 years time starting with you um so you're 25 better looking at 35 I mean no like I feel like I'm in my

AlexPrime right now but like I don't feel it will be a drastic decline I'm very open to cosmetic injections treatments whatever at that age yeah and then were you better are

Brian Atlasyou better looking now at 25 than you were at 18 yeah okay going to you you're 18 will you be better looking in 10 years time at 28 no I think that 18 to

Cena25 is like a woman's Prime and obviously like a lot of models and people who are older they do look amazing but I think

Brian Atlasthat like there's like a time where you look the best mhm okay what about you I will be looking better than now okay so you're yeah so you're 21 so you'll be better looking at 31 yeah okay better

Leahlooking at 41 20 years time oo probably a little worse yeah okay but so better looking at

Leah31 yeah I will be looking better in 31 than in 21 right now okay so what what's going to change just curious I will feel

Leaheven more comfortable in my own skin I will be even more fed that I am right now mhm I will be even more committed to

Leahthe routines related to the Fit Body and all the all the things that um I will take air off um regarding my health and

Leahmy shape so and also I just see the great examples already of the women that were not as committed to their own well-being in their 20s and now they're

Leahlike 34 and they're so much hotter so I'm striving for that I will be this way okay you are 41 better looking in 10 years time at 51 no I think I peaked at

Brian Atlas32 and so I think you're spot on with um with your assessment and so your 41 so you were better looking at 30 10 years ago early 30s and then were you better looking at 21 than you are now at

Tony41 yes yes but I think I was better looking at 31 than I was at 21 okay what about you um yes I'd be better looking so you're 19 better looking at 29 yes 20

Tiffanyyears time better looking at 39 um Foster check compared to like 39

Brian Atlascompared to 29 or 19 and 19 and 39 39 okay 30 years time better looking uh at

Brian Atlas49 versus now at 19 49 okay 40 years time 59 versus uh

Brian Atlas19 um 59 okay 50 years time uh 69 versus 19

Brian Atlas19 so wait so 59 still so better looking than 19 yes and that's so each 10 years okay yeah of of all those where do you

Brian Atlasthink you'll be the best looking 29 39 49 59 29 29 okay cuz I'd have a nose drop by then and I'd be skinnier you wait you what

Brian Atlasyou're going to have a nose drop by then yeah what hopefully what's wrong with your nose cuz I don't like my nose face that way it what is it the

Brian Atlasfront no no no like the side show us your profile you have an adorable nose your nose is fine what are you talking about I don't like my nose you want to

Brian Atlastrade no yeah that's yeah your nose is fine um I don't think getting the nose job though at 29 is going to make you more attractive at

Brian Atlas29 though no I said I'd have it by 29 I'm not going to get it at 29 you get prob get it like two years from now you it you side it to the nose job as the reason why you will more attractive at

Brian Atlas29 yeah if you had the nose job now would you be more attractive now at 19 than you yeah so you'll be more attractive and that you're more I just don't have the funds right now to get a nose job so

Brian Atlasyou're saying the the the deciding factor there is the nose job yeah and you will have the nose job you're older you have more money to invest in your beauty yeah but you're

Brian Atlasjust old okay all right what about you to borrow okay you're 25 better looking in 10 years time at 35 I think so mic into the mic yes sorry I plan on being better looking in 10 years we be

Brian Atlasreally healthy okay 20 years time at 45 um yeah uh 30 years time at 55 yes black don't

Brian Atlascrack 40 uh 40 years time at 65 um yeah my grandma's pretty hot 50 years time 75 than

Megan75 yeah there tied 75 okay I think I might be a little bit wrinkling discrep but still kind of hot but a little wrinkly I don't know if hotter

Brian Atlasthan okay and you're are you more attractive now at 25 than you were at 18 yes okay going to you you're 35 better looking in 10 years time no and then uh

Brian Atlasyou're 35 were you better looking at 25 10 years ago yes okay uh you're 30 better looking in 10 years time at 40 no and then your 30 were you better looking

Brian Atlasat at 20 than you are now at 30 same was the same same yeah okay so you're I'm equal yeah to how you looked at 20

Brian Atlasyes okay uh Discord if you guys can do the age advancement on everybody oh my gosh and we so you said 75 you said 69 I

Brian Atlasthink you that's when you're going to be the most babe status I wait no that's not what I said or 59 I I I went through each one and you're like yes more attractive at 59 it

Tiffanystopped at 60 and then oh okay sorry at 70 59 is when you're going to Peak I guess no that's not no I would peek at 29 okay but but i' still look better now

Brian Atlasat 6 at 5 wait wait hold on so just to be clear okay you'll be more attractive at 59 than I am right now because of the nose job yeah you will now I'll be

Tonyskinnier and I'll be skinnier big feelings about your nose oh no

Tiffanyokay that's crazy why do you disagree have you heard of this thing called Aging you know that aging thing well I'm Asian so I mean yeah you're Asian

Tonybut you know my mom looks great at like 40 she single 44 no okay just I'm a spinning image of my mother I know exactly what I'm going to look like in

Brian Atlas19 years and I don't need AI to show me um keep an eye on the Discord uh so we can get the age advancement pulled up uh while we're oh do we have it let's do it

Brian Atlasreally quick let's do it all right we're gonna really quick though before we do that L paladins had the chat my ex used to take dozens to hundreds of selfies a week I used to take about two to three selfies per year these women spend too much time on Instagram and Snapchat and

Brian AtlasTik Tok with filters distorting reality that's L Pals hey man thank you so much for the uh message yeah there's a lot of uh filters being used there the all like

Brian Atlaslensa all those like the AI getting into the picture now it's it's crazy man it's crazy all right let's pull up the uh the Discord

Alexold all right next you look cute she's so cute that's before the faft dam oh W you'll be cute she looks like a white woman she look like a white woman you

Brian Atlasbecame White that's crazy I think it's a contact Asian don't raisin unless okay oh oh [ __ ] why does it look like a

Brian Atlasspecial oh she doesn't like that one okay okay oh my God okay next okay damn you don't look bad also white kind of

Brian Atlaswhite Wan you're like wean here you know no I don't think so you look like uh yeah kind of look Native American all of a I don't know how they did okay what

Meganabout her this one over here oh oh hi look like my grandma that's cute fine all right

Brian Atlasnext wait today was okay next I feel like they didn't really change the much you know I mean a little

Silly (Sylvie)bit is it better good I don't know I think that's it right maybe I I look already 60 oh of course thank you that was it that

Backgroundwas it oh [ __ ]

Brian Atlasall right that's uh father time is not going to be kind to me it's you know um I really quick just kind of like going back on the topic um somebody sent me an interesting message

Brian Atlashere I'm just going to read it really quick um this is to you um hold on she's capping hard Asian parent this is from a Vietnamese woman I know you're

Brian AtlasChinese but whatever uh she's capping hard Asian parents are strict AF my dad would beat the [ __ ] out of me and kick me out of the house I don't know

Tiffanyshe about the whole porn sex well she's yeah I'm Chinese there's a difference different cultures right would aren't the Chinese like more what would you say is the stereotypical difference between

CenaVietnamese and Chinese culture I guess there isn't much of a stereotypical like difference but once again it's really just how your parents are it isn't

Cenalike your parents could be less strict on you or your parents could be more strict on you your parents could be like they could eventually come to terms with what you do and some parents won't it

Tiffanyjust depends on your parents yeah I think that that girl was is it a girl that messaged you yeah I think she's like assuming too much uh cuz there's always exceptions to the rule I think my my parents are Asian but they're not that

Brian Atlastraditional they'd be fine with you doing no no no definitely not okay but compared to other ASI uh before we get into the next topic why don't we pull up twitch really quick guys you got to go to twitch.tv/ whatever also if you're enjoying the

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Brian Atlasare enjoying the stream much appreciated guys thank you thank you all right let's get into some more of the pre-show notes I do actually want to ask this because you brought up toxic masculinity uh what is

Leahthat um I would like to describe it this way um I'm a very strong believer in the fact that men and

Leahwomen they really need each other that we need to harmonize the overall relationship between each other as

Leahgenders um as to the toxic masculinity or femininity I believe that both of the terms are about this or that

Leahgender trying to bring another one down in this or that way in short I would just just describe it this

Andrew Wilsonway oh okay um well I want to go around the table on this wait wait Brian I'm sorry I have to interject just very brief that literally told us nothing that didn't tell us anything about what

Andrew Wilsontoxic masculinity is you just said that you're a

Leah[Music] complimentarity is though did you hear the last statement I said what's the last statement you said I said that

Leaheither toxic masculinity or femininity is about one gender bringing another one down by any shape or form do you agree or no okay but

Leahbringing them down how check the comments that were sent this is what bringing another gender down is about for I saw individuals

Andrew Wilsonbeing uh uh targeted in those comments not genders of people I saw individuals who are being addressed not gender did you see somebody say all women or women

LeahX or did you see individuals being addressed individuals were being addressed but would those people address those individuals the same way if they

Andrew Wilsonwere male for example assumtion right so that that's so that would be toxic femininity wouldn't it because the example there is that you're bringing

Andrew Wilsondown the entirety of men who are making those comments and by literally making the false assumption that they're only doing that because you're women and not because they're addressing you the woman

Andrew Wilsonspecifically what you said wouldn't you be uh engaging in toxic femininity by your own standard because you're judging men collectively based off of commenters who addressed individuals that was a

Andrew Wilsongesture of the toxic masculinity from a very specific individual but I'm not generalizing and never have no you are you're saying that it's toxic masculinity right that they are

Andrew Wilsonliterally talking to only individuals because you applied it to an entire gender you said no I'm not going to apply it to individuals I'm going to apply it to the entire gender you're

Andrew Wilsonbeing tox so in other words these people are engaging in toxic masculinity because they're collectively bringing women down that's your claim however they only addressed individuals and not

Leahwomen collectively so you would be engaging in toxic femininity by saying that right all right this is your perspective what what exactly I meant by my

Leahstatement is that specifically those comments that we saw that were given to this lady right here on the left that was a gesture of the toxic masculinity

Leahfor me because such words as like oh Chinese girl oh engineer baby those [ __ ] would not say it about the men doing only fence and doing engineering um well now you're

Andrew Wilsongeneralizing you're generalizing in saying because they women X is happening that would be a generalization about a gender so therefore toxic femininity

Leahyes you definitely are reversing it in the way that resonates with you but I don't believe that this is the way that it resonates with reality you said if it's a generalization about a gender

Andrew Wilsoncollectively against another that would be toxic femininity or masculinity by you saying that that by you saying that women are being collectively Ed uh even though an individual is being addressed

Leahthat would be toxic femininity by your definition right if the woman is bringing a man down relying on his gender this is a

Leahtoxic femininity if the man does the same thing it's the toxic masculinity that's that's but if women are bringing down women that would also be toxic femininity right of course undeniably

Andrew Wilsonokay great so then if that's the case when you apply that comment towards an individual is applied to all women right you're making a generalization about a

Leahgender so that would be toxic femininity right I don't understand at what point I used the generalization when I described

Andrew Wilsonthe the person the com these people are only making the comments cuz cuz they're women cuz they're wom so that person only made this comment cuz she's a woman

Andrew Wilsonthat's a generalization about women right you're only doing X cuz they're women so that would be toxic femininity

Andrew Wilsonright I don't see it that way I would love to agree with you but I don't see it this way if it's just a generalization a negative General

Andrew Wilsongeneralized stereotype about a gender right then how is it not negative to apply what said to an individual to an entire gender so you're saying we he's not saying that to you Tracy let's say

Andrew Wilsonthe fictitious name is Tracy Tracy he's not saying that to you because you suck he's saying that to you CU you're a woman that's a generalization about a gender therefore would be toxic

Leahfemininity by your standard right all right yeah let's put it this way no problem okay okay I don't know else to see

Leahit would you agree that the same person who left that comment together with $200 that was impressive too by for me

Leahpersonally I don't know um would he say something similar if there was a guy here saying just the same things well see that what you see what you're doing there so what you're doing

Andrew Wilsonis you're saying um collectively right women are X and collectively men are ex right so men are not going to make these comments if if these are men over here they're only going to make these comments if they're

Leahwomen that is you making a general negative statement about men therefore toxic femininity nope this is is not about me making a statement about all the men no I'm talking about a very specific

Andrew Wilsonindividual you say that men are not going to make these comments if there's other men there they're only making the comments because there's women that's a negative stereotype about men okay now I understand what you are getting at no

Leahwell yeah a double edged short it cuts both ways right right I hope you can just understand that I was talking about the personalities sharing those

Leahcomments and this is is not about all the men and there is not any man who would leave that comment you know not anybody male would do that so I'm not

Leahtalking about all the men I'm talking about one person showing that toxic masculinity by trying to that doesn't make any sense you're saying that it you're saying that it's only because

Andrew Wilsonthey're men that they're saying this because only because they're women yes cuz if they were not men and were women they would not be saying that

Andrew Wilsoncorrect that's not what I said but I I'll just ask you directly if these men who made the comment right were women do

Andrew Wilsonyou think they would be making that comment they would still be able to make shitty comments but not this would they be would they be not could they would

Leahthey um they would be definitely some of them at least they would be similar to what we we heard at the table when we were discussing it there would be many

Leahthis is how I Vision it there would be females that would say oh yeah I hope your daddy's going to find out and and he will be embarrassed of you and like oh you're a SL it's it's going to be

Andrew Wilsonalso how would that be toxically then how would that be toxic masculinity that would be a toxic femininity are you talking about women right now no how would it be toxic masculinity if you you said they that's a sign that's toxic

Andrew Wilsonmasculinity because if that were uh men if that was a man sitting there instead of a woman they would not be making these comments right they would make something else and

Leahdepends on who it's coming from I would definitely State okay this is also toxic femininity or masculinity I I need you guys to make your final points here on this yeah yeah I just I'm still I'm

Andrew Wilsonstill not very clear on so to me it just seems like any general statement which is made about any genders toxic femininity or masculinity so you kind of lose both ways here because if you're making the claim that

Andrew Wilsonthe chatter is only saying this because they're men that would be toxic femininity and if you're making the claim that the chatter is uh is saying this to them only because they're women that would also be toxic femininity it

Leahwould be a general statement either way I have no problem accepting your point it was just not exactly what I was saying okay I'm just trying to make sure that I'm clear on what you're saying all right

Brian Atlasall right so okay let's get into some of the uh pre-show notes Here going to Sylvie here from how silly silly mhm why is there a v in your name no I don't

Brian Atlashave a v in my name isn't it in your Instagram no it's silly VP VV VP is there a v like in my last name there

Brian Atlasis okay whatever why is uh why is mon you said why is monogamy traditional life the way to go yes so um like 30 40

Silly (Sylvie)years ago it was the way to go but now I see much more girls doing only fans and like um a lot of marriages um like they

Silly (Sylvie)divorce a lot so why should we still are you monogamous with your current two-year relationship kind of

Silly (Sylvie)wait hold on what do you mean kind of we do what we want but we tell each other we we are honest about it you're honest about it m so you sleep with

Silly (Sylvie)other men no I'm really bad at it I'm he he can do what he wants and I can do what I want but we we just suck at it what do you mean you suck at it yeah I I

Brian Atlasdon't with other men what's that I don't sleep with other men but you can yes and your boyfriend can yes sleep with other women yes has he no okay you guys have

Brian Atlasbeen together for two years has he slept with any other women no have you you slept with any other men

Brian Atlasno but it's a so you have an open relationship you're just really bad at it using your own words yes

Brian Atlasso I find this a bit difficult to believe so you don't get hit on at all um yeah yes I do and you reject them

Brian Atlasyes oh okay I don't have to why do you reject them because it doesn't click like I so the you're saying

Brian Atlasthere's not been any opportunity you haven't found any one guy attractive enough to go to bed with we yeah yeah okay but if an attractive

Brian Atlasenough man did yes okay are you on birth control yes okay would you have unprotected sex with a stranger no probably not probably not okay but maybe

Brian AtlasI'm assuming you have unprotected sex with your partner though yes okay he has he would have no issue with you sleeping with another

Silly (Sylvie)woman he would uh sorry excuse me another man yeah um he would not have a problem with it if I'm honest yes okay and

Brian Atlasso if you saw him sleep with another woman you wouldn't feel any type of way um I don't want to see him like okay well let's say you didn't let's say you didn't see it but you knew that he slept

Silly (Sylvie)with another woman he can do that yeah no problem whatsoever it it will hurt when he says it for like five minutes but for five minutes why would it why would you open yourself up to this kind

Brian Atlasof hurt because it's 5 minutes and I'm not perfect so why should I okay I am he's totally fine he'd be

Brian Atlastotally fine with you getting [ __ ] by another man if I'm honest about it yes is this a cuck is he a cuck for this or is it like an open relationship and it's

Silly (Sylvie)I don't know if it's cuck I mean I don't I don't approve of it but it doesn't stimulate me to it but it's okay it's better than cheating

Brian Atlasright do you want to uh do you want to get married no do you want to have kids

Brian Atlasno okay ever yeah never okay no kids uh well I mean do you think he's ever lied to you that he like maybe he

Silly (Sylvie)has like hooked up with a chick but he just never told you no I don't think so are you guys on dating apps no why not

Silly (Sylvie)um I don't like it to just judge on a picture mhm uh is that against the rules for you guys to be on dating apps no how did you

Brian Atlasguys meet in the game store oh was the game store okay um um and so you're asking why it's the way to go um I mean would you at least concede that uh when it comes to STDs monogamy is probably

Silly (Sylvie)Superior than open relationships SD are yeah sexually transmitted diseases yeah it it's not stimulating but if you cheat you're doing that as well right yeah but

Brian Atlasassuming there is no cheating yes then it's perfect then traditional is the way to go yeah okay so it is the way to go under that circumstance but the STD argument isn't enough for you I just

Brian Atlasdon't see it at this time that um there is a marriage without cheating or without divorce okay so why is monogamy the way to go and then why is traditional life the way to go so are you talking when you say traditional

Silly (Sylvie)life you mean more traditional gender roles too uh I I meant monog monogamy oh you're speaking strictly just about monogamy yes and and traditional in the

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