ALL RAGE QUIT & KICKED OUT?! HATER Came To DESTROY Brian?! HØE PHASE = GOOD?! | Dating Talk 287
Date: 2026-03-23
Duration: 9h 38m
Guests
Brian AtlasIdentified Speakers
SPEAKER_02Julia(guest)
SPEAKER_04Lindsey(guest)
SPEAKER_05Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_07Laetitia(guest)
SPEAKER_08Chris Love(guest)
SPEAKER_09Maria(guest)
SPEAKER_10Lexi(guest)
SPEAKER_11Veronica(guest)
SPEAKER_12Brooklyn(guest)
Key Moments
00:00:11
IntroAll guests introduce themselves. Lexi reveals findom operation with male manager.
01:35:00
Key MomentBrian: do sex workers deserve chivalry? Sparks central debate.
02:14:00
QuoteBrian: 'Women do jack s---. YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING.' on what women bring to dating.
03:17:40
Key MomentMaria drove across states to cheat, turned around at 'Don't commit adultery' billboard
03:43:00
ControversyBrian tells Maria's boyfriend Luke he should dump her
06:47:00
ControversyVeronica cries and rage quits during weight rejection debate
06:51:00
ControversyLindsey confronts Brian and is kicked off - second rage quit
07:08:00
Key MomentJulia's toxic ex: flew out another girl, got her Korean name tattooed on his ribs
08:16:00
Key MomentLaetitia discusses sex addiction history and 3-year celibacy journey
08:47:00
OtherChris Love can't name Canada, continents, or what a nickel is worth in trivia
Topics Discussed
00:00:11
Guest Introductions and Findom
Lexi (18) does findom with male manager making $10K/mo. Brian questions whether it constitutes fraud/sex work.
00:48:40
Relationship Status Round
Chris Love has 12-13 man roster, 5 dates/week, fake boyfriend arrangement. Maria 12 years with Luke. Laetitia divorced, celibate.
01:35:00
Chivalry for Non-Traditional Women
Brian argues sex workers don't deserve chivalry. Women can't articulate what they uniquely bring to dating.
03:15:00
Maria's Heroin Addiction
10-year heroin addiction. Nearly cheated driving across states. Turned around at 'Don't commit adultery' billboard.
04:04:00
Self-Ratings and Looks
Several rate themselves 10. Brian gives 4-6.5 ratings.
04:16:00
Julia's Racial Dating Preferences
Julia (Korean-American) not attracted to Asian men, prefers white men.
05:13:00
Minimum Income Requirements
Lexi $120K. Chris Love $400K-$20M. Maria $50K. Lindsey 'I don't know.'
06:35:00
Weight Rejection Debate / Rage Quits
Veronica cries and rage quits. Lindsey confronts Brian and also rage quits/kicked off. Two walkoffs.
07:08:00
Julia's Toxic Ex Story
Ex flew out another girl day Julia moved in. Got other girl's Korean name tattooed on his ribs.
07:14:00
Hoe Phase Debate
Julia argues hoe phase can be empowering. Laetitia says her promiscuous past wasn't actually empowering.
08:16:00
Laetitia's Self-Improvement Journey
Former sex addict, celibate years working on herself. 'Married herself' 3 years ago.
08:47:00
Rapid Fire Trivia
Chris Love can't name Canada as country north of US. Brooklyn excels.
Transcript
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00:59:18
Brian AtlasThere's a No, no, no, no, Tiffany, there's a thing on the side
00:59:25
Brian AtlasThere's a thing on the side that that to lock it.
00:59:32
LexiOkay, you guys talk among yourselves. >> [laughter] >> Okay guys, how is everyone feeling? I'm chilling.
00:59:45
BrooklynHonestly, I'm fascinated by this door now. >> [laughter] >> Are you feeling okay? Do you feel better? Better? Did you take medication? I'm I might need to sit. I think the shot made my like heart race faster. Oh
00:59:56
Brooklynyeah, I don't trust that stuff, man. I never trust that stuff. Oh, nobody could carry the conversation for 10 minutes while I stepped away. Okay. So anyways, back to this. Um
01:00:08
Brian AtlasWell, I was just more so curious what you had to say. About? >> [clears throat] >> Well, I mean >> This whole thing? Yeah, I mean there's the [laughter] attention. Women use men for attention. Women use men for validation. Uh I mean, the big reason I
01:00:19
Brian Atlasthink one of the big reasons women go to the club is you get attention from men there. And I'm not saying you're even trying to [ __ ] them, but men come up to you, they flirt with you, they stare at you, they you you derive a lot of women
01:00:31
Brian Atlaswhen they go to the bar or club derive like a sort of uh I'm important. Look at these men who want me. Also, there's a sort of like sadism that's associated with it where
01:00:44
Brian Atlasyou're like rejecting these men and that makes you feel like you were you're so above all these men. Ew, oh my god, get the Get away, [ __ ] off, da da da. So, there is a component there. Um
01:00:57
Brian Atlasand I think the other thing on dating apps women will use dating apps for entertainment. They have no genuine Not all women, to be clear. Some women have to some degree a genuine intention of meeting somebody. You'll use dating apps
01:01:10
Brian Atlasfor attention. You won't have a genuine intention of like matching with these guys and meeting up with them. It's like Look at all these guys who are matching with me. I'm going to use it as entertainment. It's like a video game to me. Look at
01:01:23
Brian Atlasall this all these matches, all these guys are trying to [ __ ] me. Well, yeah. That's I don't think that's most women. Yeah, I don't think it's most I think it's I think it's most women on dating apps. >> they use it for attention? On Tinder,
01:01:35
Lindseythe majority of women Yes. I think it's everybody. >> [laughter] >> I don't even think that's like a gender side. I think it's just people. Yeah. Tinder's like the worst dating app.
01:01:47
Brian Atlas>> girl though and she was like, "Oh my god, like I got like 10,000 matches like 10,000 guys want me." And I was like, "Okay, it's Look, I'm not saying all women use dating apps for that. But I'm saying that's one of the mechanism mechanisms in which they
01:02:01
Brian Atlasuh they use men for attention. They use men for validation. So, it's like whereas men men Now, why do men go to the club, do you think? >> [laughter] >> Uh I mean, they're either gay or they're
01:02:14
Lexitrying to get laid. Yeah. >> [laughter] >> I mean, would that be inherently gross for a man to to pursue you? No, cuz it's not pursuing, it's just trying to [ __ ] That's still pursuing. No, it's just Okay, well I'm just
01:02:28
Lindsey>> [laughter] >> Yeah, you're just a piece of meat in the club. It's a club though. I don't know what people are expecting. It's the nightlife. Nightlife is like the worst place to be if you want anything of quality. Uh It's not like I'm going to the club
01:02:40
Brian Atlasto look for my husband. Exactly. >> not, but I mean women definitely go out to parties and these sorts of environments uh I'll admit partially to
01:02:50
Brian Atlashave fun. Maybe it's even the majority. But maybe it maybe it's 20%, 30%, 40%, 50%. There's this other component of maybe I'll meet somebody. Mhm. And I believe this because if it was
01:03:03
Brian Atlasactually the case that women just wanted to go out, "Oh my god, these men are so annoying and and they're they're they're gross and they're hitting on me." Why not just stay in with your
01:03:14
Brian Atlasgirlfriends? Uh don't have don't have to wait in some [ __ ] [ __ ] line, play whatever Yeah, you don't have to wait in line. Sometimes women wait in line. Okay, that's fine. Sometimes that's not
01:03:27
Brian Atlasthe My life just sucks as a woman. Hold on, that's not the core issue here whether or not women wait in line. Uh you could as women with your girlfriends, you can play whatever music you want, you can dance at home, you
01:03:39
Brian Atlascould buy a [ __ ] $10 handle of alcohol instead of paying $20 per drink at the club. >> I want to meet girlfriends? Meet girlfriends, okay. >> [laughter]
01:03:51
Lexi>> At the club when I first moved to Miami, I had no friends and I met a lot of friends at the club. Uh okay. So, once you've made the friends, why do you continue to go? Where where would I go? I think the club
01:04:03
Lexivibe is just so fun. There's like DJ I mean, there's cool DJs, there's um good music. Like you can't have the same kind of environment in your house or your apartment. >> you can have alcohol, you can dance,
01:04:14
Brian Atlasyour girlfriends are there. There is a component of the men being there. Also, if even if it was the same environment, it was a club, but it was all girls The it would go under though cuz girls don't
01:04:26
Brian Atlaspay for alcohol and I mean, some girls do. Some girls do, but guys are the ones buying the tables. Putting the finances Sure, putting the finances aside uh put I still don't think women would
01:04:37
Brian Atlaswant to go to those venues where everything being equal, it's just women. I don't think they would do it. Would you guys? 100%. I just don't like going out. Wait, what is When you say 100%, [laughter]
01:04:50
Brian Atlasdo you mean 100% yes, I would go to the club or 100% no, I would not go? I would not go. Not immediately. I would not go. One person at a time, please. I say no. Yeah, I say no, too.
01:05:03
BrooklynWait, the club with just girls? Yeah, the Oh, yeah. It depends if it's an event or something. I say yes. I would try it out. >> like that sounds like it would be such a vibe. Like what? Yeah. I just hate going out. I don't I
01:05:16
Lindseydon't go to parties. I don't do any of that stuff. I find it a waste of time. So, I'm like I don't want to go to any parties. >> So, no woman here a guy at the club? I have. No woman's met a guy at the club? I have. Oh, I've met a lot. Yeah, I've
01:05:28
Mariamet a guy at the club and I've also like went out with just my friends back in the day to like have fun with my girlfriends, too. Plenty of times. When you say met, do you mean like dated because we met at the club or just like
01:05:38
Brian Atlas>> No, like yeah, you meet and you exchange numbers and Oh, no. No. No. Oh, no. No. I've never given my phone number. I'm like Instagram. Well, yeah, no, I'm talking about meet like some guy you end up dating or hooking up with. Definitely
01:05:50
Veronicanot. Either that night or down the road. No. Really? Oh, hell yeah. I have. No, I have not. Really? 20 years ago though, but I have I met [laughter] a bunch of girlfriends at the club. Not when it comes to like a
01:06:02
Brian Atlasrelationship and all that. No. So, yeah. All right. Okay, where were we? Relationship status? I think going to you. I am single. Wait, I'm sorry. One
01:06:14
Brian Atlasmore thing. I wrote down a note here. You said 90% of men are ugly? To me. To you. But like men your age? Just in general. Okay, but men your age, are 90% of men
01:06:27
Brian Atlasugly? No. Not 90% of men aren't ugly. I think that everyone has their different types. You Didn't you say 90% of men Okay, how about you're not attracted to 90% of men?
01:06:39
Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Maybe it's Sorry, I worded that wrong. Not like ugly. Just not my type. Okay. Not But you're not attracted to 90% of men. Yeah. You find 90% of men unattractive.
01:06:52
Veronica>> Yes. Okay. Um What percent Yeah. Like walking down the street and you're like, "Oh my god, Yeah, exactly. [snorts] I have a question. What percentage of men do you find gross? Gross?
01:07:04
LexiDidn't she say 90%? >> Not of grossness. I mean Maybe like 50%? 50? Maybe more than that. I don't know. What about you?
01:07:15
Brian AtlasGross? I don't know. I would say like 5 to 10. Yeah. Let's go around the table on this. Uh what percentage of men and let's say, you know of the age range
01:07:26
Brian Atlasthat you of the age range that you prefer what percentage of men do you find unattractive? So, you said 90.
01:07:42
LindseyI'd say the same, 40 50. Gosh, I don't know. Like 50%. I'd also say probably 90. 90%? >> Mhm. Maybe 95, honestly. Maybe more. >> [laughter] >> 70.
01:07:55
Julia90 at least >> Closer to the mic, please. At least 90. >> [sighs] >> I'd say only 40% are unattractive, but I would only date probably 10% of those
01:08:06
Juliathat I would think are just conventionally objectively So, 90%? Uh no. Uh Yeah, 90% of the attract Like I find 60% of guys I would
01:08:18
Juliasay are I would just say good looking. Like easy on the eyes. I could see why another girl might like him. But would I date all of those 60% of the guys? No. Cuz it's not just I mean Who
01:08:30
Brian Atlassaid 90%? 90 90 90. Okay. Do you guys think that you're top 10% women?
01:08:40
LexiLooks wise? Yeah, just looks. Um maybe like 20%. You're top 20, okay. I would say yes. Yes, top 20? Top 10. Top [laughter] 10, okay. Yes. I'm not in top 10.
01:08:56
Brian AtlasInteresting. Uh okay. Cuz I think there's something very different. I think I think that uh
01:09:05
Brian Atlasmost men find most women attractive. Most women definitely do not find most men attractive. Mhm. So, there's like this big discrepancy that uh exists between men and women
01:09:18
Juliathat Do you interesting. >> Curious, do you think it's actually because most women are more attracted like most women are more attractive than the like majority of men or is it
01:09:29
Brian Atlasperception? It's like girls have a I guess bigger filter or a higher bar but they don't have to write anything. >> that's a good question and I think it's very varied and nuanced. I think there's
01:09:42
Brian Atlasa lot of different factors. So one factor is I do think women tend to be pretty harsh judges of male attractiveness. That's one thing but there's other components too.
01:09:52
Brian AtlasI to be charitable, I think women do put in generally a bit more effort in their appearance than men but this wouldn't fully explain the discrepancy that
01:10:03
Brian Atlasexists here. Also but again to be sort of counter charitable, uh the tools available to women are not socially acceptable for men to employ. So for example, the primary tool that I
01:10:14
Brian Atlaswould argue that makes women way more attractive than they otherwise are is makeup. That is not I'm not suggesting men should wear makeup. That's [ __ ] lame as [ __ ] but
01:10:26
Brian Atlasit's not uh women will negatively even if it makes the guy more attractive conceivably like most heterosexual straight women are going to look at a
01:10:38
Brian Atlasguy wearing makeup and it's like not masculine. You're going to be like is he gay? He's too vain. He's too into himself. It's going to be like unattractive for most women. I think it's nuanced though. What's that? What's that?
01:10:49
Brian Atlas>> nuanced. I suppose I just genuinely I guess even putting aside women's perspective on it like socially it's going to be severely
01:11:00
Brian Atlasfrowned upon by your male peers. So even if women are on board like yes men put on [ __ ] makeup. Put on mascara. Stand in front of the mirror like a [ __ ] woman for 20 minutes. Okay, that's what I'm saying.
01:11:13
Brian AtlasWell, that's how that's how long you guys take to put on [laughter] your face. A little bit longer. >> No, it takes me less. Maybe longer maybe less. In any case, it's not socially acceptable so men cannot employ that same tactic and strategy.
01:11:26
Brian AtlasUh they shouldn't to begin with but so that that's the primary way in which women will artificially falsely elevate their attractiveness
01:11:36
Brian Atlasthat that isn't actually true. Um so women have that advantage. It's more socially acceptable for women to get plastic uh surgery for example. That's
01:11:47
Brian Atlasmore socially acceptable. Um the the things that men find attractive, it's more socially acceptable for women to bolster those things artificially. So
01:11:56
Brian Atlasplastic surgery, um like the I think the BBL no offense if anyone here has a BBL. BBL looks absolutely [ __ ] [ __ ] It looks terrible. Give me a girl with a
01:12:06
Brian Atlasflat ass over a BBL any [ __ ] day. She can have [ __ ] pancakes. Get the BBL [ __ ] away from me. Disgusting. Three BBLs, four BBLs, the [ __ ] are they doing? But anyways, it's more socially
01:12:18
Brian Atlasacceptable. Uh fake breasts men are Okay, the two big things men are attracted to. Uh well, I guess the three. Face, breasts, uh and butt. And for me labia, I'm a labia guy. Don't ask me are you a boob
01:12:30
Brian Atlasor breast guy? I'm a labia guy. Labia, butt, breast in that order. What about the face? Oh, if we include the face, uh hmm >> And if we include the face? Well, I feel like these are secondary
01:12:42
Brian Atlassex Well, I guess labia would be primary sex characteristic. Uh yeah, if you throw the face in there I mean you lethal face card is like pretty much the
01:12:54
Brian Atlasmost important thing. So yeah, face, labia butt, boobs I guess in that order. Um but if we're just talking about the then labia, butt, boobs. Where was I
01:13:07
Brian Atlasgoing with my rant? [ __ ] Oh, the fake the fake [ __ ] So yeah, men are attracted to boobs, butt it's like mostly socially acceptable for women to get plastic surgery there to increase
01:13:19
Laetitiayour size, let's say. Like what are the thing What are the traits that women are attracted to? Yeah, and wouldn't that be because men are very attracted to physi- more physical and women we need the
01:13:30
Laetitiaemotional in it. I don't want to feel like to look cheesy for that but it's like to me in a man attraction is not on his body. It's not on his posture. It's going to be the way he talks. It's going to be the way he
01:13:42
Laetitiabody like he stand up for himself. He stand up for me. He stand up like there is way more to attractiveness than just the body. So wouldn't that be that women are getting all those stuff on their
01:13:55
Laetitiabody done because they know that it pleases men better or That's a terrible reason to do something. >> Yeah. No, I mean I I'm not justifying that I just good reason >> you know, I'm not doing my body for that
01:14:07
Laetitiabut I'm just like >> Yes. reacting to what he's saying. We are doing all that stuff. Is it because men are attracted to it like Well I don't know. I know a lot of people don't do it because of that. >> I do want to finish my point but I'll
01:14:19
Brian Atlasquickly address that. So uh first off, this idea I think a lot of women get the plastic surgery for the female gaze not the male gaze. A lot of the women who botched their [ __ ] face like the lip filler [ __ ] no offense to
01:14:31
Brian Atlasany women who have that [ __ ] That's female gaze stuff. The fake nails, the some of the stuff y'all do with your face the the buccal fat removal. That's female gaze [ __ ] I don't know why
01:14:44
Brian Atlas[ __ ] women do that [ __ ] You ruin your faces. The lip filler >> Sorry, what is that? What is buccal? Buccal I don't know if I mis- buccal fat. It's like the the the cheek fat.
01:14:53
Brian AtlasWomen will get it taken out and it like ages them and men like if a woman has like a little a little chubby face or whatever, like that actually makes her look a bit
01:15:04
Brian Atlason the younger side. I'm not saying men like fat women >> [laughter] >> but if they have a little chubby cheeks, it's like whatever. That's cute. You look like a [ __ ] chipmunk. >> [laughter]
01:15:15
Brian Atlas>> But anyways, um so your point was that uh women get the plastic surgery for the male gaze because men are more heavily invested in
01:15:25
Brian Atlasappearance than women are. I would counter that. I actually think uh I think women care more about looks than men do. And I'd frame it like this. Not to say
01:15:38
Brian Atlasmen definitely care a lot about looks. I'd frame it like this. Of the things that men care about women have generally care about. Women have to some degree more control over
01:15:50
Brian Atlasthese things. The primary thing honestly look to be attractive to a guy physically just don't be fat. That's it. It's really it. Don't be fat. >> [laughter]
01:16:01
Brian Atlas>> Don't be fat. Now for women, it's that plus uh things that are outside of man's control. Man can't control his height. Man can't control if he's balding. I mean there's
01:16:16
Brian Atlasnaturally a man if a man's balding naturally he can't control it. There are medical interventions. Um but what I'm talking about here is naturally.
01:16:26
Brian AtlasUh so hair, man has no control. If he's balding at 20, he can't control it. Um naturally anyways. Penis size, man can't control his penis size. So all these physical traits that women care about are really outside of man's
01:16:39
Brian Atlascontrol. Now look, you would say okay, well boobs a woman can't control her her boob size. That's true. That's true. Um but like but you can hit the gym. You
01:16:51
Brian Atlascan train and then weight. Women have 100% control over their weight and so I think in some ways women care more about things that are difficult for men to
01:17:03
Mariaattain. I agree. I think we're more specific. >> Well, I'm just saying it could be like my perfect guy or whatever. I mean I'm
01:17:12
Mariain a relationship but uh yeah, if he was like not in shape and fat like uh-uh. You know, so women care about that too. I'm not saying women don't care about that. >> list of all that.
01:17:24
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, women definitely like if like I'm chubby, women are less into me because I'm [ __ ] chubby right now. I totally get it. Like trust me. I know. Um but then like I think that's just the baseline having like healthy, you know,
01:17:36
Brian Atlaswithin the normal range of body fat or whatever body. Uh and also even on that specific topic, the body fat thing uh I actually think there's more leeway
01:17:47
Brian Atlasfor women. Like men will accept a wider range in terms of body type and body fat. Like because you have the thick thing. I I don't know.
01:17:58
Brian Atlas>> will like a skinny dude like Machine Gun Kelly. That's a skinny I mean he's got a little athletic. He's tall. But like
01:18:07
Lexiuh women don't like a uh like if a guy's just skinny Not >> no muscle like women aren't really into that. >> I I don't know.
01:18:19
Brian Atlas>> over I've been all over the place. >> What do we when we say skinny though, what do we mean? Because you'll be like okay, the guy who did four years of swimming. He's not a bodybuilder. >> That's like lean. >> Yeah, that's lean.
01:18:32
Brian Atlas>> He has an athletic physique. When I'm talking about skinny >> Yeah, like actual tiny twigs. >> women aren't going to be like wow, he has a sexy hot body. They might still date the guy. He's not
01:18:44
Brian Atlasfat but I don't think a lot of women see a an untrained male body who's just got low body fat and they're like wow, he's his body is attractive.
01:18:54
Brian Atlas>> Pretty unmasculine really. Right. I think especially as women get older that's going to like younger women are going to be a little more forgiving but
01:19:05
Brian Atlasas women age like the untrained male body that's typically you might still date the guy but you're not going to find his body attractive. That's what I'm saying. It's
01:19:16
Brian Atlasnuanced though. Like Of course there's always nuance but in order for a man to be attractive, I think he has to have some degree of like he doesn't have to be like [ __ ] massive. In fact, I think when the guys
01:19:28
Brian Atlasget too big, a lot of women don't like that. When the guy's a [ __ ] bodybuilder, but somewhere maybe before bodybuilder and like athletic build, you know? Even like a little
01:19:40
Brian AtlasI don't know. Like he [ __ ] did 4 years of swimming in high school or something. Like that's okay, but >> [sighs] >> but so whereas men, we the in terms of body fat
01:19:52
Brian Atlasthere's a way wider range >> I'm like I've dated a wide range as well, so that's why I'm like >> Okay, but I'm speaking sort of in generalities here. I do think it is the case generally speaking that there men
01:20:04
Brian Atlasare have a in terms of body fat percentage, there's a wider range that women can fall on when it comes to body fat that men will not only deem acceptable, but deem attractive. Whereas
01:20:14
Brian Atlasfor women's assessment not just of acceptable, but of attractive body. It's a really narrow range in terms of body fat on the man and there plus there
01:20:26
Brian Atlashas to be muscular development. Men don't require like you could take an untrained like women just have kind of not all the time. You could just uh not be fat as a woman and never step
01:20:38
Brian Atlasfoot in the gym, never did a sport in your life and men will assess your body as attractive. The natural even untrained female body, more men will
01:20:48
Brian Atlasassess the natural untrained female body as attractive versus women in versus women will assess the untrained uh natural male body as attractive.
01:21:01
MariaWell, even if you're like still a little bit of a thicker girl, like you still have boobs and a butt, you still have curves, so you look feminine. If a dude is like Right. >> fat or too skinny, he just looks like not masculine, you know?
01:21:13
Brian Atlas>> Yeah, the the I is the right term like the secondary sex characteristics? So like like a woman could just naturally have big boobs and her hips and if she's got a good shape, like she doesn't have to go to the gym for that necessarily. Now
01:21:26
Brian Atlascan you improve yourself as a woman? Can you hit the gym? Can you do the Pilates? Can you you know, get the butt? Yeah, you can, but uh I do think that women are definitely pretty harsh judges of
01:21:39
Juliauh attractiveness there. I don't know. I kind of lost track where I was going with this. >> I don't think we're harsher. I think we're more particular. As you said like the buckets for men are quite It's only
01:21:50
Juliathree buckets. I just think it's different. boobs, butt, face. Girls are like, we need the arms and the abs and his hair can't be weird, the hairline and whatever, [laughter] a chin. I don't
01:22:03
Brian Atlasknow. We're more particular and I think that's why that results in women finding less percentage of men attractive than guys would. >> Um well, I mean there are men who are
01:22:14
Brian Atlasnearly universally attractive to women. Uh there's certain male models that if you ask like 100 women, 100 of them, 99 of them will be like, "Yeah, that's a really handsome
01:22:25
Brian Atlasattractive man." So I think there are universal traits that are consistent um and these traits can be consistent across cultures, across race um
01:22:36
Lindseyfor the most part, right? I just don't I don't spend time with women like that, so I can't I don't agree. >> [laughter] >> The conversations we have about guys are not at all structured in that way, so
01:22:47
Brian Atlas>> not making an argument that women are having My my argument does not hinge on women having like analytical conversations about this, but in practice, what do women actually find
01:22:59
Brian Atlasphysically attractive and compared to men? Again, I mean I just frame it like this again. Most men will find most women attractive. Most women do not find most
01:23:11
Brian Atlasmen attractive. And you as we went around the table, we had at least three women who said 90 they find 90% of men unattractive. So that's pretty uh pretty pretty stark. >> say more than that.
01:23:26
Brian Atlas>> [laughter] >> Well, yeah, you said 95, 99% of men you find Yeah. And I'm just talking about looks, then the guy actually has to meet all your other standards, too. >> looks alone? Oh. Oh, that was the question. I have no idea. I I have no
01:23:38
Lindseyidea. I don't I don't really judge a guy's looks first, so I'm not sure. You don't judge men's looks? Not first, no. Like what do you see like you don't you can't know someone's personality >> Exactly. Sorry, go ahead. >> Switches? No, I was talking to my
01:23:52
Lindseyproducer. >> Oh, sorry. I mean like how do you assess whether or not you're even going to talk to someone without the looks? I just talk to everyone, honestly. I mean whenever somebody comes up to me, even if it's a guy like even if I'm not
01:24:04
Lindseyattracted to them, like I'm just always the same to everyone, so I can pick up on their energy. Um so I've dated guys who are like conventionally unattractive, but like they were so attractive to me because of who they were, so you know, that's kind of what I
01:24:17
Lexifocus on more. I can't really look at someone and be attracted. I have to talk to them. >> You haven't been on dating apps, right? I've tried, but I don't like them, no. Yeah. So on like a dating app though for example, how would you know someone's
01:24:30
Brian Atlaspersonality? I don't. That's why I don't like them. Okay. >> [laughter] >> Yeah. I don't really use them. Um I'm trying to recall the conversational thread that led us there. Um
01:24:42
Chris Lovewell, I guess you know what? Let's just get back to the relationship status. Go ahead. >> [laughter] >> Okay, are you single? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I am single, but I'm also in a fake relationship.
01:24:56
Chris LoveWhat do you mean? Like this guy takes me to event and I pretend to be his fake girlfriend for his >> Does he pay you? Yeah. Okay. Uh yo Troy, thank you for the $10 on Venmo.
01:25:08
Brian AtlasUm So you're like a sugar mommy, sugar whatever. Yeah, fake girlfriend. Okay, so do you sleep with him? No.
01:25:19
Brian AtlasDo you I'm just his arm candy. Yeah. Any sexual acts for him? Not really. I just kiss him. >> Has there been a blowy? No blowies? A handy? Nope, nothing sexual like that.
01:25:31
Brian AtlasOkay, you're not you're single then. Um Well, is there any guy in the picture? >> [sighs] >> No, I'm on Bumble. Okay, how long you've been single for? Uh
01:25:43
Brian Atlas25, 24. Age. So you're 28? Yeah. So 4 years. Yeah. Longest relationship? 4 years.
01:25:55
Brian AtlasWas that the one that ended 4 years ago? That was basically high school. Okay. Um who broke who broke up with who, I guess? Me. Okay, have what's the next longest relationship that you've had?
01:26:10
Brian AtlasIs that the only one? No, probably like a year. Okay. I get disinterested. Okay. Uh are there any guys in the picture currently?
01:26:19
Chris LoveI mean I'm talking to some, but they're not like on my bucket list, you know? That I would like see a future with.
01:26:28
Chris LoveAre you hooking up with them? No. Do you have a roster currently? How big is the roster? Probably like 12, 13. Like you go on dates with these guys or
01:26:42
Chris Love>> [laughter] >> Yeah.
01:26:47
Brian AtlasUh So It's Los Vegas. Do you Do you hook Do [laughter] you hook up Have you hooked up with any of them? Only one cuz I was feeling a vibe, but it wasn't really like that. Do you still see him?
01:27:00
Brian AtlasMm. Kind of. When's the last time you saw him? Probably like 4 months ago. So you haven't seen him for 4 months, but you kind of still see him? Yeah,
01:27:13
Brian Atlaslike we talk and like >> Does he live in Vegas? No, he lives in LA. Okay. Are you planning to see him while you're here? No. That's like 4 hours away. Isn't it Santa Barbara?
01:27:24
Brian Atlas>> think he's he's on your roster, but um So you have 13 men on your roster. And so you you what? See them each once a month or something or Basically or like whenever
01:27:38
Brian AtlasWhenever >> to. Okay. Huh. I have a really busy schedule, so >> So like on a in a given week on average, how many dates are you going on?
01:27:51
Brian AtlasI would say probably like five. Five dates a week? And you do you've been doing that for you've been single for 4 years? Yeah. So you've been doing five dates a week for 4 years?
01:28:03
Brian AtlasNot like like not like every single week. >> maybe one week you don't see any guys, right? Yeah. Hold on, I have a TTS coming through.
01:28:19
Brian AtlasWhy is it not playing the I don't know why it's not reading it. Uh Okay, somebody read it for me, please. Men are more accepting of women less
01:28:30
Juliaattractive than they should be with. Women have way higher expectations of men. Yeah, energy, enough money makes you attractive, trust me. Thank you clan for the TTS. Appreciate it, man. Thank you, thank you.
01:28:43
Brian AtlasUh okay, so you go on about five dates a week and when you say five dates a week, is each date with different men? Yes, sometimes the same men.
01:28:55
JuliaAnd you don't sleep with any of them? I'm not giving the cookie just for anyone. Make them wait. How long do you make them wait? Whenever I want. Are you dating for like fun, which is
01:29:08
Chris Lovenothing wrong with that, or are you really like seeking a partner sort of dating? >> Um Right now kind of like fun cuz the guys where I live is kind of like trashy, so
01:29:23
Chris LoveOkay. Uh I'm young I should >> pay for the date Do they pay for the dates? Always. I don't pick up the check. I make them call an Uber. And do they know that you're like
01:29:36
Chris Loveserial dating multiple men at the same time? Not really. Doesn't really none of their business. I'm sure they don't tell me anything. >> So do they take you to nice restaurants? What's the typical first date for you?
01:29:47
Chris LoveProbably like a good restaurant like I'm wearing like a red dress, you know, heels. How much is the bill typically if you had >> I don't I don't look at it the bill. >> If you had to guess given the restaurants you're going to.
01:29:58
Brian AtlasProbably like 100 200 sometimes up. And how often do you go on second third dates? I'd say like one to two.
01:30:09
Brian AtlasAnd then >> on like like the guy like you know. And you've not entered You've not But you've been single for four years and you seem like you're very successful with
01:30:21
Brian Atlasgetting dates with guys. Why haven't any of these in this four year time it seems like you just you you know one two three dates and it's Because they're not the one I'm really
01:30:32
JuliaI'm really picky. Oh, go ahead. Have any of them asked you to like be exclusive or No. Some Like you guys you guys are both looking for the same thing, right? >> Yeah, cuz I'm not really talking deep
01:30:44
Julialike that cuz if I wanted one I would like find the guy I really like but I'm just having fun. >> both getting what you want. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. >> nothing wrong with that. Uh well Like I don't want to be married
01:30:57
Chris Love>> I think there's something wrong with that. What's that? I don't like I don't want to be married right now like >> You're 20 Do you want kids? Yeah, in the future. When? In Whenever I want. Women can do whatever >> At 50 you want to have kids at 50? No.
01:31:09
Chris LoveWhen do you want kids? Probably like 30 40. I I was adopted my mom adopted me when she was 40. There's nothing wrong with that. >> Well adopted you at 40 but you want biological kids, right? >> Oh, you don't want to push them out.
01:31:23
Brian Atlas>> Nope. Okay, so you're going to have Have you frozen your eggs? Nope. Okay. Well, if you did want to have biological children, look women can have children in their late 30s even into
01:31:35
Brian Atlastheir 40s. But I mean think of it this way. You're 28 now. You'll turn 29 soon. Um You'll probably want to date a guy for
01:31:47
Brian Atlaswhat one two years before you get married You want to get married before you have kids. Then you're going to be engaged for a year. You're looking at if you met a guy today not having biological kids although it sounds like you want to do surrogacy or
01:32:01
Brian Atlaswhatever. Which is really expensive. You're looking at 31 32 33 maybe if you meet a guy today. Regardless I do want to have kid without a man or with a man.
01:32:12
Brian AtlasOkay, so you might adopt. Yeah. Okay. You don't want to push out a No, I don't. Okay. Well, that changes the fertility window I guess but Mhm. But in
01:32:22
Brian Atlasany case um I mean women do have a slightly a bit of a timeline a shorter timeline than men do. But I'm not going to be like oh my god she
01:32:33
Brian Atlasonce you're 30 you're doomed. No, women have pregnancies in their late 30s into their 40s. But it does become harder gradually over time. Uh not only to get pregnant to keep the pregnancy but also to find men that you
01:32:46
Brian Atlasthink is uh suitable for you. But in any case But I'm not going to get pregnant. What's that? I'm not going to carry the baby so I can have it Well, sure but extracting the egg I'm
01:32:58
Brian Atlasthere's other complications there too. And then the other component is like okay, who's the guy that I Well, I guess you're down to just be a single mom from the jump then, right? >> Yeah, I don't care.
01:33:09
Brian Atlas>> You just adopt. >> I have my money I make my work. Uh so question for you though back to the date thing you go on
01:33:18
Chris Lovemultiple dates a week. Me personally I wouldn't even I wouldn't even go on a date with a girl if I knew she was dating like four five other guys. It's just for fun. If I only had to be one guy to be serious I would
01:33:31
Brian Atlasstop the other guys. >> Yeah, yeah I understand you'd stop but I would assume that okay, she's entertaining all these options. She's
01:33:41
Brian Atlasjust having fun. Like she's been on a hundred dates at least uh since she was last in a relationship. What are the odds that I'm going to be a
01:33:53
Chris Lovethe guy I'm going to take her on a $200 date spend $200 on uh no. So I mean in your case look also you're a sex worker, right? Um I'm a dancer I don't
01:34:05
Chris Love>> Yeah, but it's not like that. We dance for money. Half the time half the time I don't even take off my top men talk to me. money >> Half the time you don't But you do take off your top. Only in VIP sometimes.
01:34:17
Chris Love>> Okay, but you you are a stripper. You do only fans? No, I do Playboy. Which is basically what >> take off my clothes on Playboy. I just do bikini pics muscle fetish. Okay.
01:34:29
Brian AtlasUm So yeah, you do fall under the umbrella of sex worker. Strip stripping is sex work, right? Um men blast in their pants when you're giving them a [ __ ] dance or whatever, right? Right? No.
01:34:43
Brian AtlasReally? >> feel that. You would see it. You're telling me in your years of stripping a guy has never ejaculated in his pants. >> Well, yeah I mean I could Look this is
01:34:55
Brian Atlasgoing to sound [ __ ] gross. Like I don't know if I could probably you if I just started blasting you guys wouldn't know. That's so [ __ ] So yeah, don't worry I've never done it. What the [ __ ] >> [laughter]
01:35:07
Brian Atlas>> Like it's not it's not a nocturnal emission. It's a [ __ ] whatever podcast emission. Do you mind? Trust me never happened. Uh but yeah, you guys I would keep that under wraps.
01:35:20
Brian AtlasWhat do you mean? You just wouldn't know. Uh-uh. But It's probably happened. I don't be looking for that. >> was here when I was sitting across from Gorlock I had an emission. What?
01:35:33
Brian AtlasWhat? >> What's an dictionary? Okay, never mind. Um >> An emission is just like information you're leaving out. >> like why Who here does either only fans or some
01:35:45
Brian Atlaskind of sex work? Actually well you don't even do only fans. You're just a stripper. You kind of do sex work with the findom thing. You've sold feet pics. Has anybody here done stripping or only fans? >> No shame here. >> Okay, so just
01:35:59
Brian AtlasYeah. All right, so here's my perspective on this, right? You're saying you you made a point about how the guys pay for the date, right? You would be upset if the guy didn't pay for the date, right? I mean I still wouldn't
01:36:11
Brian Atlaspay. He would have to pick up the bill. He Yeah. Yeah. Uh so for women who and this actually extends beyond women who are sex workers.
01:36:24
Brian AtlasIf you're a sex worker I'm not saying you should be mistreated. You should still be treated kindly and with respect. You don't deserve a man to pay for the date if you're a sex worker.
01:36:37
Chris LoveI mean I only dance two days a week and I do have three careers. >> But you're still a stripper. Yeah, because I'm young and I want to do it and as you
01:36:48
Brian Atlasage I'm stacking up. >> I mean she's young. >> 38 grand a night sounds good. Well, I'm proud of you for the money that you
01:36:59
Brian Atlasmake but by virtue of you being a stripper you're a sex worker. What is it that inspires men to be traditional? What is it that inspires
01:37:09
Brian Atlasmen to be chivalrous? Now, I don't doubt just to be clear. What I'm saying is you don't deserve it. I have no doubt for a moment that you
01:37:21
Brian Atlasstill get men to pay for dates. I don't like men will simp men will do all kinds of things even for sex workers. I don't think you deserve it though. I don't think sex workers deserve
01:37:33
Brian Atlastraditional treatment because by virtue of what you do you rub your booty in men's crotches. You shake your titty they they motorboat your boobs and your butt and who knows
01:37:45
Brian Atlaswhat goes down in the [ __ ] champagne room who knows, right? Uh I >> That's not traditional. You're not a traditional woman. And hey, not all women are going to be traditional. But I don't think it's fair
01:37:57
Brian Atlasto have the expectation to hold men to their traditional gender role of paying for dates. Maybe you should go 50 50. I would never go 50 50. That would never happen in my life. Sure and I get that that can be
01:38:09
Brian Atlasyour standard and you're never going to have a problem finding men who are willing to pay for dates because men engage in the meta. So what meta stands
01:38:19
Brian Atlasfor it's a video game term. Most effective tactics available meta m e t a. So when it comes to dating even if the
01:38:28
Brian Atlaswoman is completely untraditional as a man the most effective thing for us to it's either neutral or positive, right? Some women don't give a like it's not
01:38:40
Brian Atlasgoing to be like well, I wasn't attracted to him but he paid for the date so I guess I'll [ __ ] him. No. But it it's not going to be a negative. Now if a girl shows up on a date and you're like let's go 50 50. Two checks,
01:38:52
Brian Atlasplease waiter. A lot of girls are going to feel a type of way about that. They're going to have an issue with it regardless of how traditional or not they are. So I I again there's no doubt in my mind
01:39:05
Brian Atlasthat you could go on a hundred more dates and despite being a stripper do you tell the guys that you're a stripper? Not really. You should probably disclose that. In any case though, despite being a stripper, yes. >> they might know and not tell me. They Google me.
01:39:19
Brian AtlasMhm. Despite that, uh yeah, guys will still pay, but what I'm saying here is looking at the chessboard of dating,
01:39:30
Brian Atlaslook at the dating landscape, do women who are sex workers, do they deserve
01:39:38
Brian Atlaschivalry? Do sex workers, strippers, thin doms, OnlyFans girls, or even just they're not sex workers, let's just say
01:39:47
Brian Atlasthey're liberal, progressive, feminist, maybe they're promiscuous even, do do these women deserve chivalry?
01:39:58
LexiStarting with you. I mean, I don't consider what I do sex work, but I mean, I think anyone deserves chivalry. Anyone? So, men deserve chivalry? Yeah. So,
01:40:11
Brian Atlashold on. Women should be chivalrous towards men. Wait, wait, what's the definition of chivalry? >> Okay, chivalry are I would I would I would categorize it the simplest way I'd put it. I'll give
01:40:22
Brian Atlasyou examples of chivalry. This is sort of a pedestalizing of women in the sense of doing and taking specific actions that will that are
01:40:33
Brian Atlascommensurate with a more traditional dynamic. So, traditional gender roles for men. Whereby men will open your car door, men will be uh
01:40:44
Brian Atlaspay for dates, when men will observe the sidewalk rule where they're walking closer to the road where the the cars are uh as a gesture of protection.
01:40:56
Brian AtlasUh it could be getting you gifts. It could be getting you gifts, getting you flowers. And but I the big thing here that we're talking about though would be paying for dates. And I think this falls under
01:41:08
Brian Atlasat least traditional gender roles, it falls under chivalry. So, that's what I'm talking about. I think it depends on like what date it is. I mean First date. Obviously, like if I was going on a
01:41:19
Lexifirst date and he wanted to split the bill, I mean, I've done that in the past. I think it's just like you don't know cuz you're not dating them yet. I don't think it needs to be like
01:41:31
Lexilike I don't know. I think it comes with time. Like the guy should pay for dates. It's like if you're already dating them. If that makes sense. Well, what about a first date? First
01:41:42
Lexidate, I I think everyone has their different preferences. I know. What's your preference? >> mind paying for what I ordered cuz I can afford it. I mean, if they offer, that's fine. Like
01:41:55
Brian Atlas>> No, but but okay, how many um how many times have you gone with a new guy that you met, gone to get dinner with him? I haven't been on that many dates, but
01:42:08
Brian Atlasum So, what? Three, four, five, six, seven? I don't really go on dates, honestly. I don't I've never I don't think I've >> could be mini golf, it could be a
01:42:18
Lexiconcert, it could be I don't think I've actually ever gone on like an official dinner >> Okay, so you just go to their house and [ __ ] >> No, no, I just like I think it's just like like getting to know them.
01:42:30
Lexi>> you are younger, but you're telling me you've never gotten food with a guy. I've I've gotten like fast food. Right. Does he pay or do you? I've done both. I honestly I've paid for
01:42:41
Lexia guy's food before. Who were you with? Who were you who were you were dating? >> No, it was just some guy I was interested in in high school. I was just like simping. >> Wait, your simp era you said? >> Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Uh
01:42:53
Brian AtlasSo, okay, the question here though is do women who are non-traditional, do they deserve traditional treatment? What's your answer? No.
01:43:07
Brian AtlasYes. Wait, what was the question? I literally just [ __ ] >> Sorry. I [laughter] like mix it up in my head. I said it once and I just repeated it
01:43:16
Brian Atlasfor your sake. Do non-traditional women deserve traditional treatment? Do they deserve chivalry? Do they deserve men to pay for dates?
01:43:29
Brian AtlasNo. Okay. No. Honestly, I think there's too many nuances. I've no idea. What do you mean? What are two What is that? You can't defer. >> think I would want to like I just don't think I would want to like Yes, cuz
01:43:42
Lindseythere's a lot of nuances. Everything sounds black and white. But what what Okay, explain the nuance then. Well, I just think every individual person can find what they're looking for. I'm not going to tell
01:43:52
Brian Atlassomebody what they should and shouldn't do or have. Like that's up to them. So, like if a girl wants that >> What? Hold on. Let me ask you a question. Uh is there any nuance in the following statement? Women should
01:44:04
Brian Atlastolerate abusive physical violence from men. That's like Wait, Where's the new Is there a nuance there? >> like positive treatment. >> Okay, so I you can't make any prescriptive No.
01:44:17
Lindsey>> [laughter] >> I think it's just individualized. I don't think anybody deserves to not get what they want. So, Wait, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Repeat that. Repeat that. Like I don't want to tell somebody not to get what they feel they want or deserve in a relationship.
01:44:30
Brian Atlas>> wait, that's not Just repeat verbatim what you said before. That's what I said. No, you changed the wording. Repeat it. I've no idea, obviously. You said [laughter] I think this is the essence of it. You
01:44:41
Brian Atlassaid women uh women should you don't want to tell women to not ask for what they want. You said words. >> Just any person, you know? Like I can't
01:44:53
Brian Atlasbe a dictator. >> I have poor skin complexion. I'm chubby. Uh I'll probably be losing my hair within by the time I'm 40. Um
01:45:06
Brian AtlasI'm like average-looking dude. I want to bang a string of 18-year-old supermodels. Am I going to get it? I mean, you could. Yeah. Holy [ __ ] delusional,
01:45:17
Lindsey[laughter] no. I'm [ __ ] no. I can't tell you you're going to get it. Oh my god. Yeah, you asked me a direct question. I know people who would, so that's why I'm saying no. Realistic >> I am being realistic. Look at what you
01:45:29
Brian Atlasdo. You have a platform It's very realistic. >> [laughter] >> People do things like that all the time for certain things. >> I've got like a decently popular podcast, but there's guys who have
01:45:41
Brian Atlasorders of magnitude more clout and fame than me. Just because I got a little clout doesn't mean I'm going >> I personally know girls that would. I'm just saying I personally know girls that >> I'm not banging I mean, look, if any of
01:45:53
Lindseythem want to come to me, I'm not going to turn them down, but I'm just saying I know girls who would. I myself am a model. Okay, well, send them my way, but until then, [laughter] I'm telling you I I genuinely do know people like that.
01:46:05
Brian AtlasSo, Well, I'm [laughter] You know what? I'm not going to date like this this girl who's perhaps a bit more on my league. I'm holding out for the 18-year-old supermodel. >> for me, but Like no, I'm an average-looking dude. I'm [ __ ]
01:46:18
Brian Atlaschubby. Uh like it ain't happening. Now, look, hey, if you're an 18-year-old supermodel who likes [ __ ] chubby dudes with poor skin complexion, >> I know people who would. That's what I'm saying. Huh? [laughter] I just I know people
01:46:30
Lindseythat would. I'm I'm a model myself, so I just I'm trying to say I do personally know Tell you what, you're going to be a matchmaker then? Set it up. I wouldn't do that. >> [laughter] >> I wouldn't do that. Oh, she
01:46:43
LindseyShe knows some [ __ ] supermodels. Well, you're a supermodel. You're a supermodel. >> Okay, well, I want to do quality control >> Oh, absolutely. I've been published in every top magazine you could possibly imagine. That includes Vanity Fair,
01:46:56
Brian AtlasVogue, Harper's Bazaar in several different countries, and I just flew back from Paris Fashion Week a week and a half ago. I love that for you. So, in any case, >> [laughter] >> the nuance thing, the nuance. So, look, um
01:47:08
LindseyI you can't make any prescriptive uh claim here on this. I just know based off what they talk about. That's all I'm saying. So, but look, people can want things, but do they deserve it? I think you do. I don't understand why you feel like you don't. I mean, if you
01:47:21
Brian Atlasfound somebody who does, are you going to say no? No, so Well, no, so but but [laughter] that's already been granted. I grant that she's a stripper, she dates a ton
01:47:30
Brian Atlasof men at the same time. And I said I just Well, why wouldn't you deserve it? Well, yeah, okay, you do other stuff too, but that's besides the point. But
01:47:41
Brian Atlasand I acknowledge, of course there are still going to be men who do the action. Like for example, right? Um you guys would acknowledge How about this? This is I think perhaps the best
01:47:53
Brian Atlasframing that I can improvise in the moment. You would acknowledge that there are men who are really attractive, who are physically violent and abusive towards women.
01:48:07
Brian AtlasDo those men deserve to be in relationships with women? No, but they are. Yes, but so that's >> [laughter] >> They are. I mean, we'd look at Look, I believe people can make mistakes in their past and they can move past it. I
01:48:20
Brian Atlaswould point to Chris Brown. >> That's what I was going to say. >> Chris Brown violently beat Rihanna. He's so annoying. >> Now, I'm pretty sure she was Hold on. Hold on, just to be clear, 100% wrong to
01:48:32
Brian Atlasto do what he did. I heard though she was being a massive [ __ ] to him. Just to be clear, not justifying terrible Never [ __ ] lay your hands on a woman. But she was saying some crazy [ __ ] to
01:48:42
Brian Atlashim. But in any case, any case, uh just as an added comment, never disavow disavow Chris Brown beating women. Just to be clear. Uh do you think Chris Brown
01:48:52
Brian Atlaseven like the [ __ ] week after these allegations, well, I mean, he pled guilty, so Okay, I mean, and she was beat the [ __ ] up. Have you seen the photos? Do you think he had any shortage of
01:49:05
Lindseywomen who'd still [ __ ] them? >> But these women aren't abusing anybody. Are unless do you think so? >> what I'm saying is what I'm trying to get at here is Abuse is completely different than putting your body out there. You know, I
01:49:18
Brian Atlasdon't do that but >> not trying to draw an equivalence in terms of the wrong. I'm not trying to draw an equivalence of of course, yeah, like physically beating women is worse
01:49:29
Brian Atlasthan being a stripper. Of course. So? >> Or dating multiple men at the same time. What I'm trying to to try to draw from you is
01:49:40
Brian Atlascan there be behaviors that preclude someone from receiving some sort of benefit or treatment or even a relationship? I guess it I just don't think like when it comes to what they're
01:49:52
Lindseydoing no. I mean I just don't I don't I think they that they deserve whatever they want. It's possible to find so >> Let me see if I can frame [laughter] it a different way. I uh
01:50:04
Brian Atlasthe hypothetical not me. Let's just do somebody else. There is a 300 lb obese man who lives in his mother's home
01:50:14
Brian Atlasand he has Cheeto dust in his fat rolls and he plays video games all day and he smokes weed all day and uh
01:50:23
Brian Atlashe wants to date like a like a a good virtuous woman. Do you think he deserves her? I think everybody deserves that. I mean he's not hurting anyone so
01:50:35
Lindsey>> Everybody deserves >> As long as you're not hurting anyone I just don't see why not. Like you know, it's just like if he did find that person is he supposed to say no cuz you find him undeserving of it? Like I don't understand. I'm not going to say that just because you're overweight and you
01:50:49
Lindseydo all these things that you're not capable of getting a high value person. I mean that's not harming anyone except for himself of course but Well, look if you roll the dice and and this can be in
01:50:59
Brian Atlasboth directions. You could be a complete loser as a woman. You could be a complete loser as a man and you could it's possible you could end up with somebody who is uh
01:51:12
Brian Atlasfrom the outside perspective this person is like way leagues above you. They could be better looking. They could have be um have better personality characteristics.
01:51:23
Brian AtlasAll kinds of traits that are would make you seem like this person is settling in some way. But anyways, whatever. I'm not going to beat the dead horse. Uh your thoughts on
01:51:33
Veronicaon the topic. I mean yes and no. I think that she definitely deserves to get her dinner paid for if she wants that. If she wants that. Yeah, she definitely does. Okay. So hmm Okay, okay, okay.
01:51:45
Brian AtlasHold on. She definitely deserves it if she wants it. Okay. I Wait, wait, wait. Let me ask you a question. I want to [ __ ] women within an hour of meeting them without doing anything.
01:51:57
Brian AtlasJust come over, suck my dick. Do I deserve it? >> That's not the same question. >> I know it's not the same question. Answer it anyway. >> Well, there's people out there who would say yes so That's true. Do I deserve it though? Why not? I don't understand.
01:52:10
Brian Atlas>> Do I deserve it? Can you say yes, Brian, you need not take women on multiple dates. You want it you therefore cuz your argument is if a woman wants it,
01:52:19
Brian Atlasshe deserves it. Okay, cool. I as a man want a woman to I don't want to have to make the first She has to slide into my DMs. She has to be like, Brian, when can I suck your dick? Okay, great. 3:00 p.m.
01:52:31
Brian AtlasPerfect. I like an afternoon delight. Lovely. Come over. Uh then she sucks my dick. Then uh we [ __ ] And then [laughter] uh she makes she cleans my entire house
01:52:42
Brian Atlasand she does my laundry and um she she waters Oh, yeah, [laughter] I thought about this. Yeah. Okay, all that no. >> it? The house cleaning no. >> I deserve it?
01:52:54
Brian AtlasUm probably not. >> Why not? I I want it. Do I deserve it then? I mean you seem like a good person. >> Oh, thank you. Yeah, but serious answer though. Um sure. Why not?
01:53:06
Brian AtlasYeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Why not? I don't I don't So I deserve I deserve So I should be Hold on. So now that we've established that I deserve that treatment >> for it more >> Well, hold on.
01:53:18
Brian AtlasShould I be upset at the woman if she doesn't do that? No, just move on. But hold on. I deserve that. Why is she not doing the things that I deserve? >> Why is she not doing the things that I do cuz I deserve it? Why isn't she doing
01:53:32
Lindseythe things I deserve? Cuz that particular woman doesn't want to. But there could be someone who will. Oh, okay. All right. I mean I wouldn't date that guy but you know, maybe there's someone who would.
01:53:45
LaetitiaOkay. Can I manifest it? Yeah, >> [laughter] >> anything is possible. You can dream it. Okay, what do you think? >> Just go on like a porn hub or something.
01:53:54
LaetitiaTowards [laughter] the fact that you want to bang an 18 woman model. With that mindset it's not going to happen but if you put that out there and maybe manifest it it might. Um as far as if
01:54:07
Laetitiashe deserves >> 19 is acceptable too just to be clear. Okay, 19 whatever you At 20 she's basically a grandma. I mean Like whatever you want. It's just like if you want it just yeah, go for it. Like nobody's stopping you from it. As far as
01:54:19
Laetitiaif she deserves what she's having hell yeah, she deserves it. Closer to the mic. Closer to the mic. >> Any woman like and who are we to decide what any woman deserve or not deserve? I
01:54:30
Laetitiadon't know you so maybe you deserve it. Maybe you don't. But as long as I don't know you I can't tell you and I am not in a position to like define what she deserve or she doesn't. But as a woman and as compassionate as I
01:54:43
Laetitiacan be for a woman hell yeah, she deserves it and she can get it. Go for it, girl. Like >> [laughter] >> Um well, I don't I'm not the one going on a
01:54:55
Juliadate with her. So I think deserve is about worth, right? Is this a value to you? Right? And apparently he's >> Girl, I'll Google deserve but go go
01:55:04
Brian Atlasahead. So it's kind of the guy's call. He's like does he he's obviously saying does she deserve >> Let me give the definition. Deserve to
01:55:14
Brian Atlasdo something or have or sh Hold on. Do something or have or show qualities worthy of worthy of reward or
01:55:25
Brian Atlaspunishment but that's not what we're talking about. Um so having qualities worthy of the reward. So in order like for example, do you deserve uh
01:55:36
LindseyI'm trying to think of an example. Look, if I was in the guy's shoes I would look at that situation and say no. >> Yeah, same. >> doesn't align with If I were a guy yeah.
01:55:50
LindseyIf I were a guy yeah, I would say absolutely not. Wait, if you were a guy you would say absolutely so Yes. [laughter] For my personal preference I would not want to be with someone with that kind of background no. >> Yes.
01:56:04
Lindsey>> [laughter] >> Why would she not deserve >> I just wouldn't want someone with that many people around. No, no, no. The question is sleeping with them. >> matter. Just even dating them.
01:56:14
Brian Atlas>> is so not just you wouldn't want to date her because of that but why does she if you were the man why does she not deserve I just I feel like I understand the male perspective. That's it. I just
01:56:28
Lindseywouldn't want to invest my money especially if they didn't tell me before the date. I personally would not want to pay for that person. It's not even about really like just general I mean it's the same if it was a guy I would never want to date an only fans model. I can't lie
01:56:39
Juliato you. So I also think for you if you were paying for a girl's meal like it's an act of chivalry and it's like I care about this person. I want to provide for you. For this man it might not really be a
01:56:52
Juliachivalrous act. It might just be paid. This is maybe more transactional like you gave me your company. We had a great time. You look amazing. Just what I do. Or in his eyes you deserve this. Maybe he doesn't see it as a chivalrous
01:57:05
Brian Atlasact. I don't know. Well, regardless of his perception of what he's doing from the outside perspective it does
01:57:15
Brian Atlasfall under the purview of what we understand as chivalry. So he might be like, oh whatever this isn't chivalrous but it does fall under the
01:57:27
Brian Atlasthe objective understanding of what chivalry is. At least one of the things in which you can do a chivalry. So >> [sighs and gasps] >> ultimately though
01:57:39
Brian Atlasuh I just don't think y'all deserve this this [ __ ] Cuz I see it like women hold men to the standard of being traditional.
01:57:50
Brian AtlasWe have to open car doors. Now look at Not all women want some of that [ __ ] The guy has to open the car door, pull your seat out, uh observe the sidewalk rule, pay for dates.
01:58:01
Brian AtlasAnd I don't see women holding up their end of the deal. So you basically you women in terms of what you want from men, it might as well be the 1950s for what how men should behave, how men
01:58:13
Brian Atlasshould act. But you women are living in 2026. But you keep men to this 1950s bachelorette standard.