Men INSECURE About Body Count?! NYC Gold Digger Has Roster Of SIMPS?! | Dating Talk #187

Date: 2024-08-14

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

TTamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)>

VVivian (DT187)>

AAlexa (DT187)>

MMaddie (DT187)>

DDominica (DT187)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Maddie(guest)

SPEAKER_03(guest)

SPEAKER_05Isis Hong(guest)

SPEAKER_08(audience)

SPEAKER_10Lauren Kofi(guest)

SPEAKER_11Shane Smith(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Tamara(guest)

Key Moments

IntroJaspachy introduces herself: 25yo Las Vegas content creator/OnlyFans

“Hi guys I'm just pachy I'm 25 I currently live in Las Vegas Nevada and I'm a full-time content creator streamer and I do only fan.”

IntroIsis Hong introduces herself: 27yo NYC software engineer/TikToker, born China, Korean parents

“Hi my name is Isis ... I'm 27 ... I do TikTok my username is Isis Hong ... I'm also a software engineer. I got a degree in Biochemistry and computer science. Born in China (Korean parents), moved to Seattle at 15, college at 16.”

IntroTamara introduces herself: Dutch Jessica Rabbit, 28, Netherlands, content creator/student

“Hi my name is Tamara better known as the Dutch Jessica Rabbit I'm from the Netherlands ... I'm 28 I'm an adult industry content creator and I'm also a student studying legal administration.”

IntroLauren Kofi introduces herself: 30yo singer-songwriter/model/actress, Nottingham/London, Blue Therapy

“I'm Lauren Kofi I'm a singer songwriter model and actress ... from Nottingham but I live in London age 30. Was on Blue Therapy.”

IntroShane Smith introduces himself: 37yo Utah comedian, ex-motorcycle club member

“I'm Shane Smith I'm 37 I'm from Utah and I'm a comedian. Grew up with stepfather in motorcycle club, got full sleeves and neck tattoos at 18. I am out.”

Key MomentJaspachy reveals she married at 18, divorced Marine husband after 5 years; he cheated with her best friend

“I am single ... my longest relationship was 5 years ... I got married at 18 out of high school. He said he didn't love me while we were married ... there was infidelity ... he cheated with my best friend.”

Key MomentTamara reveals she had labiaplasty; describes them as extremely large, painful, and brought photos

“I got [labiaplasty] ... they were dead big they removed on each side ... it looks like a dick when I wore a bikini that is how big they were ... I have pictures.”

Key MomentIsis argues Brian is selfish for not wanting marriage since he can get all benefits without it

“If you're selfish and can't convince you to do something unless there's a value I'm providing ... fundamentally if you're selfish you can't be convinced... the only way is if she's a billionaire.”

QuoteBrian states the only scenario where he'd get married: if she's a billionaire

“Yeah that's the scenario in which I'll get married ... if she's a billionaire I will marry her.”

Key MomentSelf-rating round: guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7s). Isis: 6. Jaspachy: 10. Lauren: 8-10. Dominica: 5. Maddie: 5. Brian: 5.

“Starting with Isis what... six. [SPEAKER_03]: five in the US two in European countries... six. [Lauren/SPEAKER_10]: in Texas I'm an eight but in California a six... I'm a 10 sometimes as a model. Brian: five.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she asked a man for a $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition for second date; he complied; later had threesome with him and his girlfriend

“He said what designer do you like I said I like Tiffany but I don't like silver ... Buy me something ... about $2,500 ... and that was my first and only threesome — with him and his girlfriend, on my birthday.”

ControversyBrian calls Isis a "certified gold digger" after learning about bracelet demand and roster behavior

“She is a certified gold digger. She grabs dude's dicks within minutes of meeting them but she claims to have a low body count. It doesn't really add up.”

Key MomentBody count round: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputes); SPEAKER_03 mix: 3 and <10; Shane declines (>11)

“Jaspachy: probably like 30ish which is very low for somebody in that ... does porn ... four of those are from this week. Isis: less than 10. [SPEAKER_03]: less than 10 / three. Shane: 11 ... I won't be saying [exact number] at all.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she measured men's penis size on first dates; had 9-inch experience; doesn't need men for orgasms

“I always know [the size] because I measure it ... I don't want men to fool me. He was 9 [inches] ... for someone so handsome he's really not good at sex. If he can't get me off I have my vibrator.”

QuoteIsis TikTok video read aloud: viral "if you wanted to you would" video about staying with wrong partners

“It's not that if he wanted to he would, it's that if you wanted to you would. If you wanted to find a man that treats you the way you want to be treated you would. The problem was never them, it has always been you.”

QuoteShane says he'd like to return for a deeper conversation about the porn industry

“I'd love to. I'd like to... I would love to talk more about the porn industry like in a fair question that I'm always doing.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and announcements

Brian Atlas opens the show, standard platform announcements: Streamlabs, Twitch, merch, Discord, TTS triggers, BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit joke.

Guest introductions (round 1) — name, age, location, occupation

All guests introduce themselves in order: Jaspachy (25, Las Vegas, content creator/OnlyFans), Isis Hong (27, NYC, software engineer/TikToker), Tamara (28, Netherlands, content creator/student), Vivian (18, Orinda CA, music intern), Lucy (19, LA, student), Alexa (21, Baltimore, OnlyFans/student), Maddie (27, Dallas, deaf thrift store), Lauren Kofi (30, London, singer/model/actress), Shane Smith (37, Utah, comedian), Dominica (22, LA, cosmetology student). Extended discussion of Tamara's Netherlands background, red light district school trips, labiaplasty.

Relationship status round

Brian asks each guest current relationship status, longest relationship, how long single. Jaspachy: single 2.5yr, divorced Marine husband (cheated with best friend), now celibate. Isis: casually seeing someone ~2-3 months, not yet had sex with him. Tamara: single (brief 2-month thing earlier); does not do one-night stands. Vivian: single ~9 months, on-and-off guy for 7 months. Lucy: single. Alexa: single ~1.5yr (ex had Grindr + another girlfriend). Maddie: relationship 1yr 2mo. Lauren: single 1+ year. Shane: married October prior. Dominica: single ~4 months.

Tamara's labiaplasty and OnlyFans discussion

Tamara shares she had a labiaplasty (labia were extremely large, caused pain). Brought photos. Brian's BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit discussed. Shane defends all body types. Discussion of Tamara continuing OnlyFans until financially stable; Shane challenges whether she will find traditional man while doing adult content.

Marriage debate — should men get married?

Extended panel discussion on whether men should get married. Brian lays out financial/legal risks (prenup limitations, community property, divorce attorney costs). Guests attempt to convince Brian. Isis argues Brian is selfish; Brian says he would marry a female billionaire. Tamara argues marriage is about love and commitment, not fear of cheating. Jaspachy argues risks go both ways; references her military marriage experience. Discussion of taking husband's last name — split opinions.

Feminist/patriarchy questions

Quick round: who considers themselves a feminist? (none raised hands). Brief discussion of patriarchy in context of marriage traditions.

Self-rating round (looks 1-10, no 7s)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (no 7s allowed), starting with Isis. Isis: 6. Jaspachy: rated herself 10 (oscillating). Lauren: 8-10 (model). Dominica: 5 in US, 2 in Europe. Maddie: 5. Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: 5-6. Brian: 5. Extended tangent on Jaspachy's 10 self-rating and whether she's the most attractive at table.

Will you look better in 10 years?

Brian asks each guest if they'll be more attractive in 10 years. Isis: yes to all ages until death. Tamara: yes at 38, maybe 48, no after 58. Lauren: same/slightly better for a few years then decline. Dominica: better at 32, then plateau. Brian gave himself 5/10; Shane says he was better looking when younger.

Musical chairs / panel reshuffle

Brief segment: chairs rearranged when Isis moves or leaves briefly. Show notes section begins.

Height preferences

Brian asks each guest: how tall are you and minimum height for a partner? Isis: 5'3", used to require 6ft but now dating shorter man. Tamara: wears heels, doesn't judge height if he has dominant energy. Multiple guests: 5'2-5'3" heights, minimum ~4'11 to 5'6". Shane: doesn't care about height in a partner. Brian: 5'7".

Pre-show notes: Isis Hong deep-dive

Brian reviews Isis's Instagram and TikToks. Isis's request for $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition of second date — she got it, and later had a threesome with him and his girlfriend (her only threesome). Panel debates whether this is sex work. Discussion of Isis's roster period (a first date every day for 2+ months). Brian calls her a certified gold digger; Isis defends authenticity. Isis outed her brother as gay on show (name: Tony). She mentions $200k/year income requirement for men.

Tiffany bracelet / gold-digger / sex-work debate

Panel debates whether Isis getting a $2,500 bracelet from a date constitutes sex work. Tamara says world is transactional. Isis denies it was sex work (sex came much later). Shane argues it's similar to sex work by analogy. Discussion of women having easy mode dating vs men's difficulty.

Body count discussion — does it matter?

Extended panel discussion on body count. Does it matter for relationships? Brian says men prefer lower body count. Shane: high body count affects how people want to date you (not inherent worth). Female guests push back — shame vs double standard. Body counts revealed: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputed); Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: "less than 10" and "3." Shane: declined, >11.

Insecurity about body count — men's perspective

Brian argues it's not insecurity to prefer low body count partners. Jaspachy accuses Brian of shaming women. Shane notes no man has ever wished his girlfriend had more partners. Discussion of hookup culture and whether it benefits women. Alexa discussion of ex-boyfriend (bisexual, had another girlfriend).

Adult content industry and relationships

Panel discusses whether women who do OnlyFans can be in monogamous relationships. Jaspachy says filming is professional, not intimate — boyfriend is consensual. Shane challenges what "commitment" means if partner films with others. Tamara adds perspective from her experience in adult content. Brian: girlfriend who does porn = she's cheating on him if he can't also see others.

Child support, abortion rights, and bodily autonomy

Brian frames asymmetry: women can get abortions, men always pay child support. Should men have legal paternal surrender (opt out of child support)? Extended back-and-forth with SPEAKER_03 guests. Tamara: Netherlands requires both men and women to register for potential draft. Isis argues forced military conscription is worse than abortion bans. Panel mostly agrees women should be drafted if they want equality.

TikTok reaction: Isis Show Season 1 and 2

Brian plays and reacts to Isis's TikTok videos. Videos about orgasms/followers, rotation-era sadness, men not getting her off, going to the mall hoping to see her ex, heartbreak vulnerability. Tamara and panel comment on authenticity vs performing for content. Isis defends truth-telling approach. Panel reaches rare consensus on one of her videos about staying with wrong partners.

Show wrap-up and final thoughts

TTS roast section (10 minutes, $30 threshold). Chat calls Isis "most despicable woman" and "CCP plant." Tamara and Brian banter about going on a date (he declines due to OnlyFans). Shane says he'd love to come back. Isis leaves slightly early. Brian does outro, thanks panel, announces next show Sunday 5pm Pacific.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasmen are it's impressive if a man sleeps with a lot of women but women are shamed if they sleep with a lot of men is that kind of your angle here well I think that's

Shane Smithtrue yeah I mean maybe but that's because if you prefer men men on average prefer women who have not behaved in that way because that's just a preference most men have the same way

Shane Smithwomen have a preference for taller men it's like an innate thing that just is like uh something you're attracted to to or a red flag you naturally look out for

SPEAKER_03yeah I actually don't like have like I actually don't believe that your body count like it's good to have like a body

SPEAKER_03count of like 100 I just think that like men and women should be equally judged like I don't think it's different

Brian Atlasbetween men and women I disagree with you there okay uh I kind of disag well I mean look I don't think promiscuity in men is is a good thing but it's

Brian Atlasdefinitely different and it's actually women's own the way women will select men is way different here so like it's

Brian Atlasnot clear to me for example if like a really successful guy if a girl knows like high status could be a

Brian Atlascelebrity athlete rapper whatever a girl will even know that he's a [ __ ] [ __ ] and still want him but if a guy knows

Brian Atlasthat the chick's a [ __ ] it's going to men are more likely to have a disgust response by that yeah

Shane SmithI think men have a different like kind of B like maybe biological even like response to yes I agree I also thinke

Shane Smiththat if you're if I think most women do excuse a high body count most of you simply don't care and so it's incredibly frustrating when you give men Grace and you're like well I like you anyway and

Shane Smithhe's like oh well this really bothers me but it's not a conscious decision very few men are like I'm going to choose specifically to dislike women who have been with lots of men because how many

Shane Smithwell maybe yeah I don't it's just an innate thing in me where I feel I feel grossed out by it and I can't really explain it I don't know and maybe it's it's bad and I should whatever it

Shane Smithdoesn't listen a woman who has a high body count can be an excellent partner it it could not affect her her worth in in the totality of her life uh people

Shane Smithcan change uh people can be redeemed I believe this wholeheartedly but also if you're a man and you can be with a woman who hasn't been with 50 people or slept with some of your friends or you can be

SPEAKER_03with someone who's only been with a couple people of course you're going to choose the other person sure I have no objection to like men having those preferences I just think like if you're

Shane Smithgoing to talk about it morally that's when I think it should be talking like I would agree with you but I don't think most people are talking about it morally cuz most people are totally okay with hookup culture so I would talk

Shane Smithabout it morally because I'm religious but I don't think Brian would talk about it morally I think Brian's worried about the specific things that are innate in a woman who would sleep with lots of

Shane Smithpeople or the character traits or maybe you know it's embarrassing it's humiliating it's scary cuz she might have problems she might cheat on you you know there's a bunch of reasons you wouldn't want to she might sleep with

Shane Smithpeople you know now you have to see them all the time you don't want to have a baby with someone like it's hard you know as a guy that's a frustration I think it's a little bit of

SPEAKER_03an insecurity thing I'm not going to lie I think that personally I like men that have a high body count I do not they're experienced I do not care and honestly I like I like that and so to me a lot of

SPEAKER_03the time I feel like men when they say like I think it's because they are fear that oh this girl's been with maybe she's been with one guy okay so I'm more likely to be the best she's had she's not experience she knows she does not

SPEAKER_03know anything different so like they could be subpar and seem like the best thing ever cuz they are the best thing they've experienced and I think a lot of the time men sometimes that have they don't like the one with the high body

Shane Smithcounts because they feel inadequate do you I mean yeah sure do you if someone if something someone did made you feel inadequate natur then you wouldn't want to be with them yes but I think that men

SPEAKER_03need to work on their own insecurities cuz or women should just not be [ __ ] I listen I'm I do I do I do content creation and I'm very objectifying terms

Brian AtlasI'm a very loyal person netive connotation yeah it's it's a bad thing to [ __ ] a 100 men I'm a r die girl oh is

Brian Atlasthat I'm sorry a fan you cannot say that I can't no you go girl you go [ __ ] 100 I'm not encourage woman actually I you literally

Isis Hongdo listen you can call me [ __ ] call you inse B I encourage people to date but I don't encourage people to have sex very quickly that's my proposal that's from my experience like I said I have

Isis Hongnegative experience going into things too fast so I'm always advocating women less physical sex wouldn't it be more wouldn't it grabbing dick yeah like more like other physical stuff right you get

Isis Hongblow measuring his dick with his pens on that's you don't [ __ ] the guy but you give 100 men DJs that's still promise why you have to be like you should just

Brian Atlaslet wom explore to the extent they want no expl when women say explore and find themselves and go on Journeys and Adventures it trans literally translates

Isis Hongto get run through by a bunch of dudes why do you say that because when travel when I go do things all the thing you listed has nothing to do with men all

Isis Hongthe activity I do 90% of them have nothing do with explore in the dating context yeah exactly yeah I don't cool go [ __ ] to [ __ ] Paraguay don't give a [ __ ] I didn't say like it has to

Isis Hongbe [ __ ] you can like I have so many times I dated men for like 3 months I didn't have anything with them we had kids I made out like so what just because that's not your real what what's

Brian Atlasyour OBS I think it's so hilarious total C so okay it's insecure if a man doesn't want to date a girl with a high body count uh yes I mean I I think that like it it makes them feel

SPEAKER_03less special because it's like she's been with more people what's wrong with that yeah what is actually wrong with I mean it's like if that's in the past though you know what I mean like if they're just with you and they're committing to you then that's all that should

Shane Smithmatter I just don't understand so then you're not the P I'm so sorry to cut you off I didn't mean to do that that's rude but if you if you're saying that you're changed then I'm not changed I like I'm the thing is I'm not interested in that

SPEAKER_03I mean maybe if I'm committing to somebody that does also does content then like it's different for me because I could also still do that but um if I'm dating somebody that is like a normal person and I'm um stopping it's like I'm

SPEAKER_03not a cheater like just cuz I have a lot of Partners does not mean I'm a cheater and I'm a very loyal person I'm a ride or die girl they've literally done studies like the okay well that does not apply to me and it does not apply to

SPEAKER_03everyone well but it might not apply to everyone but it's still a factor the factors in well I think the reason like I said it makes them feel a lot special that I think that's a little bit like you need to look inside yourself uh also

Brian Atlaslike I mean there's a whole bunch of NE negative ramifications there there's the increased risk of STDs there's I get tested every two weeks baby they don't test for herpes in the porn industry

Brian Atlasyeah but most people have it no most people don't well well most people in the porn industry do have it there's there's uh there's two types of herpes there's like genal herpes and then

Brian Atlasthere's the one the cold sores on your lips those are different yes most people I don't want to have J herpes sorry but if you are in the porn industry just

SPEAKER_08like me so I can talk about it and you're very loyal and Giovani J donated $200 exclusivity is inherently valuable if 10 people got first place at the

SPEAKER_08Olympics it would be less prestigious this is inherent no different when it comes to who you let in you all put yourself in I've never I'm not dating everyone I've ever had sex with true so

Tamarait's kind of different but you're a quick thing yeah because we work in the BN indust you say I'm a right or die I'm very loyal you have like one person in your mind obviously and that's a good thing but if you're going to have like

Tamarasex with another man isn't that still cheating even if it's work or not well if it's consensual then it's not like people have polymerous relationship like an open relationship then Rel so will you tell your guy like I I would like an

SPEAKER_03open relationship because of my work or how would you go with it because I'm curious for myself in the future I don't know how to go about it if I was to date somebody that does not do the content I it probably the only way it would work is if I was to stop it and just film

Tamarawith them because I don't think it's safe for them to continuously cuz it would be fair for them to be able to go do stuff with other people will you stop making content with men if the other man doesn't want you to and he doesn't want

Tamarato make content with you as well he would say do yourself Do Your Own Thing on the movies that's fine but he finds it cheating if you do that with another man would you like do that well with another man if I I would no videos at

Brian Atlasall with another man and not with him as well sorry I have to move it on I do have to move it on um that's very interesting I do think though I mean so you're saying body count doesn't matter men are insecure for it uh if body count

SPEAKER_03doesn't matter what's your body count um I don't exactly know the exact number M um so probably like I think like 30ish which is very low for somebody in that

Brian Atlasdoes porn considering four of those are from this week you think it's 30 it's around there I think between 30 to 40 sure okay Isis

Brian Atlaswhat about you you seem to agree with her that body count doesn't matter what's your body count I don't want to answer that how about you give us a range how about that instead of an

Isis Hongactual number um less than 10 oh you're a [ __ ] liar you're a

Isis Hong[ __ ] liar okay go find every single guy I told in my story ever I can tell you at which stage we dat it to and just because in your mind you think I can't you have that perception you just like

Isis Hongyou're thinking I'm a liar that's exactly what I'm saying like you don't believe when woman tell you the truth because you can't understand there's a different perspective you said your main priority

Brian Atlasis getting followers and orgasms yes and you believe in like rotational dating you've had mult like you've had rosters of men you that doesn't mean I that's what I'm currently believing in right

Isis HongI'm saying currently I only care about followers and orgasm so like I'm not really thinking about rotation no guy like I'm thinking about going on dates that can find a husband as well as creating cont there's no way to verify

Brian Atlasuh what the truth is but yeah because you can you will always believe what you want to believe so yeah I just think I mean there's enough conduct on your socials and like your own adions that's

Isis Hongyour judgment because plenty of people don't think the way that you do what do you want to think about your content care I don't care what people think about my content my goal has

Brian Atlasalways always been not to influence but be authentic sheb just to be clear she she grabs dude's [ __ ] within minutes of meeting them but she claims to have a low body count it doesn't really add up

Isis Hongyou know a lot of things don't add up because a person is very complex yeah just because you're simple doesn't mean other people are simple so don't project on me okay you get mad at me when I say

Shane Smithgrabbing dicks but not at him why Jesus oh my God are you 12 I I just don't understand what the point of your so you make content and you don't care about how people perceive it no I don't

Shane Smithyou have no stated goal when you when you post it you don't you don't have a way you want people to feel or think I want people to feel what do you want them to feel um authenticity truth my

Isis Hongexperience my opinion and your authentic truth is is cat calling men and grabbing their that was the that was the story that was the thing that happened I told the story online I and you put an

Tamarasubjective emotion on it I only told you what happened so I don't understand every story you tell on your Tik Tok is that a truth I'm not going to tell you that you don't deserve for me to tell

Tamarayou that no no but I think if you're making it's all truth it's about being authentic no no no no no stop wait but I think some people just tell stories just because they are writing books and stuff maybe you are like yeah making a beautiful story because you're going to

Tamarawrite a book because you want to get famous right I didn't attack you or anything so it's like every story you tell on the internet the truth um body count it's a single digit less than

SPEAKER_0310 three uh less than 10 in into the mic like less than 10

Shane Smith11 oh oh yeah oh I won't I I won't be saying at all full disclosure I I spent most of my life being

SPEAKER_08Inc donated $200 you get judged by Society because you live with Society if your partner loved to [ __ ] on the floor but they

SPEAKER_08always cleaned it up after would you not judge them gross is gross hash gives me the ick ick uh thank you framework engineer appreciate the TTS thank you

Shane Smiththank you anyway I was way into trying to be sex positive and all other stuff when I was younger and it was destroying my life and over time I became a different person and now I deeply want

Shane Smithto be that different person it's difficult I don't make the mark all the time but yeah again earlier I said your body count doesn't affect your worth but

Shane Smithit does affect how people want to date you and that's fair so anyway high body count sorry everybody not going to talk about fine that's fine it's in the past

Brian AtlasI am ashamed though no you no it's bad what about you no it's okay one one that's great let's go that's great yeah that's yeah big dog raise the roof okay

Brian Atlasall right the roof is on fire um I do think one difference to Shane's point that he made earlier um I think a

Brian Atlaslot of women don't really care like some women might have a preference for lack of promiscuity or low body count in men but I think most women like don't really

Brian Atlascare no when it comes to like a m right but so there's asymmetry in what men and women like men tend to prefer women with a low body count and I would

Brian Atlashonestly question like if a dude's like if a dude looked at his girl and she like had a low body count he's like man I really I don't think any guy absent

Brian Atlascucks have ever thought this I really wish she had slept with more men before she met me thought no dude ever yeah

Shane Smiththat's kind of percep there's this perception that men want like porn star crazy sex and stuff and it's like a man just wants someone who makes him feel safe that's the

Shane Smithreality of the situation and feeling safe correlates to low body count well that's because you're insecure oh my

Brian Atlasgoodness I I agree insecure you know next next topic it's so funny though I mean like we're just going to talk in circles on this that's why Next Top yeah

Brian Atlassex is not this complicated procedure MH and this is actually another differential between men and women because men typically tend to lead in the bedroom so as a guy if you're experienced and and you know what you're doing that's what we like we like to be

Brian Atlasright but if you're if you're a guy and you know what you're doing you can have amazing sex with an a sexually inexperienced woman it's not so clear to me if the opposite is always going to be true also I would

Brian Atlassay like most men I don't think would have any problem like if a woman's sexually inexperienced like guiding her or like kind of leading her in the bedroom I think a lot of women would be turned off by like having to teach a guy

Shane Smithhow to [ __ ] her true so I mean yeah women are having the worst sex ever statistically right they're not finishing they're miserable they're feeling awful they dislike it

Tamaraand it's because they don't want to coach men no but also again a lot of pressure on a man again right because he cannot confess he has to do this he has to do that he has to lead us to the bedroom he has to be the man again that's a lot of pressure sure again for

SPEAKER_03the man okay can I just say something go ahead um I think that like a lot of issues like something that's been brought up here is like women's

SPEAKER_03declining mental health like at a faster rate than men and um that's something that Andrew said sorry um

SPEAKER_03but uh I think like fertility as well has been on the decline and I think it's not necessarily BEC I think like

SPEAKER_03the mental health is um largely because of like pesticides and the water and sure okay I think there it's not feminism cuz that's

Shane Smithwhat I think a lot of I think that birth control has to do with a lot of it sure yeah a lot of overtaking of hormon hormonal birth control is just incredibly bad for damaging a woman yes

Brian Atlasuh okay so I'm going to try to blast through the notes there's a lot I'll try to be quick uh let's see Dominica let's see

Isis Hongum did you Isis did you say you were like kind of against marriage no oh I said that it's most likely that marriage

Brian Atlasdoesn't work but I still want marriage and you said like monogamy isn't the natural order yeah it's it's hard you got just scoot to the table for sorry SC to the table

Brian Atlasit's hard to scoot yeah cuz it's really hard so I mean Dominica um you got married to your high school sweetheart you got married at 21 uh do you feel

Isis Honglike a lot of women judge you for getting married so young oh for sure always mhm family too yeah but there's also people judging us were like not

Isis Hongspinster you know not marrying marrying true not want to get married sometimes or not want to have kids Dominica in your pre-show notes you said porn turns you

Brian Atlasinto a serial killer you wanted to talk about abortion religion conservatism acceptance liberal activism in school spirituality uh can't talk about that one can't talk about that one not all men suck Christianity acceptance what

SPEAKER_03makes you liberal Republican what is freedom of speech so why don't we talk about porn turns you into a serial killer oh my God talk about it would love I remember I was listening actually

SPEAKER_03to this I guess podcast you could say and I don't remember the guy's name he's like the most well-known ciller his name strch the T I'm

SPEAKER_03BL from Utah Sal Lake City represent yes that guy he actually that's horrible to I don't know I'm sorry that's hilarious you're a comedian dark I'm a porn star

Isis HongDr may I ask are you what kind of Christian are you are you Mormon yeah that's what I am okay nice what does that mean Mormon what's love the ballerina Farm I really love them you

SPEAKER_03love the what the ballerina Farm their Mormon family oh I never what is a Mormon can somebody explain okay I'll I'll get to that in a

SPEAKER_03second but basically so I was listening to like this podcast thing and there was like this study done with these serial killers and most of all not most of all

SPEAKER_03of them but a good amount of them said that their leading thing was porn so they started there they started consuming it and they just wanted more and more and more of it and so the

SPEAKER_03screen wasn't enough and so they needed more kinky kinky wasn't enough they needed something darker and so I just think that's kind of crazy to me to hear that because that's just like I can

Tamaraanswer that than think I think because I'm a porn star uh a lot of Kings come around because it's like a trigger if you have a long-term partner like my ex partner has a lot of violently triggers

Tamaraas well we used knives Tiding up everything and I just got into a relationship with him in the first week he was like I'm going to [ __ ] knife you up see literally but it was never

Tamarait's sounds gracious I know but it's like a trigger and it's like it's never enough if you do not get that trigger you will look for the trigger again and look for and that's why it's dangerous

Isis Hongsorry can we talk science here um I really I'm really glad you brought up Ted Bundy because I watched so many documentaries on him podcasts and movie interpretations you know uh during the

Isis Hongtrial people thought that he was uh watching po looking at the poor Magazine with grape that belonged to his grandfather and people had misconception he grew up in a nice home and people

Isis Hongassume that you know they argue the lawyer argue yes the porn and Ted bunny also said that himself that's might be reason why he you know did all those things to woman however I watched this

Isis Hongdocumentary uh Dr Louis is on HBO Dr Louis actually did experiment with all the front row front um death row inmates

Isis Hongin the uh Maximum Security Prison and what they have found in common is there's similar dark spots in their M MRI in their frontal lobe so there's

Isis Hongactually physical damage to their brain that's what made them think crazy things so the things I say they may say oh porn made me this way they couldn't even think clearly they don't their brain

Isis Hongdamaged and yeah so it's like you don't know what is the reason uh for that I think what she is meaning at the trigger points with some people that you get

Tamarafrom watching porn it's like never enough that's why you have so many kings so many more Kings join I'm a pornstar she's a pornstar we know about the Kings and it's like porn going more more more more it's getting progressively more

Shane Smithviolent over time like literally every kid who is exposed to porn is almost instantaneously exposed to women being choked hit spit on I think I also don't like porn I don't want men to watch porn

Isis Honghonestly but I just want to disagree with the killer thing because I feel like and also there's one thing that drct Lis also said that's really interesting actually he was aborted so basically his mom actually physically

Isis Hongtried to abort him that's why but then it was unsuccessful so he had brain damage from that and that's one suspicion that his frontal look isn't and that's why you shouldn't be AB boarding children either that's why you

Isis Hongyou should successfully abort children you know even if the law B it even even if B said there's going to be women because they get pregnant unexpectedly they would do it themselves at home that

Isis Hongcause a lot of danger so yeah I I'm for abortion do it correctly don't do half ass job don't scream I'm sorry to dating

SPEAKER_03app all right so we're going to review some of the girls dating app profiles starting off

Tamarawith hey it's me what happen this Arrangement it's like a sugar daddy side seen are there prompts

Brian Atlasto it also no not really not a lot I read the top one there okay I do not do free dates or free get to know what does that mean what does that mean I have to

Tamaratell a little content about it because you just asked for dat Insight is the one I have when I was underaged I don't know if I can say that I went on a sugar daddy side because we didn't have money and I was very hungry and I saw about it

Tamaraon social media and I was like yeah let's go on a paid date and get some food on the table sounds horrible but that's just the way I did it uh I'm not very active on the site anymore I just

Tamarahave it because my social media grow my media pres how a day in the Netherlands people will just pay like €200 but I never agreed with

Tamarathat uh I would say like €750 and above only to have dinner with me what's the amount of money like the average guy makes an hour in the nether

Tamaraon uh if you work like a full-time job like 40 hours a week yeah in a month you will get like 750 to

Tamara200 2 and a half thousand 2500 is that the only we had to read it's not a lot next we have

SPEAKER_03Lucy should we have her read this or says give me travel tips for siberian Wilderness Retreat obviously a joke I was going to say the Trans Siberian

Brian AtlasRailway rocks I would be interested though Russ lucs W would you guys swipe on bisexual

SPEAKER_03Queen now we have oh yeah that's my friend gorgeous friend though and we're being baddies in Vegas uh I said hope you like spicy

SPEAKER_03brunettes LOL I have unconventional job you'll either love it or hate it and so at least you're up front I don't want to say that um because if you say that you

SPEAKER_03do any kind of SW they ban you so you have to like but I obviously like you're I'm not like I don't want to like lie to them I don't even want to talk to somebody that's not interested in that you're on like dating apps you are like

SPEAKER_03willing to date civilians right yeah but you would obviously disclose your right away wait a non-negotiable something casual yeah I don't do hookups you don't

SPEAKER_03have brown hair either dude oh well whatever I'm just saying it maybe it's been a little while since I up I'm going to have to wait on that one when I come back okay good pictures

SPEAKER_03though thank you

SPEAKER_03stre is there any more I don't really use dating apps though I just have it all right guys would you guys swipe right or left what's what's yes or

SPEAKER_03no I don't even know woman for wa woman what oh oh Jesus you you're not really TR the wait what's your name uh Tamara tamarrow you're not

Tamarareally my type I like uh more like like you give bisexual Queen right here that's all right I would swipe for you but not for you you look like you would kill me do I I don't know you would look like you would just stab me

Tamarain my sleep I don't know you're scary a little bit you look too straight for me I am straight I'm that's straight I'm the first time I've heard that not talk about I do have a pretty nasty idea you said you wouldn't like you you wouldn't

SPEAKER_03wait for sex though no I would if it's like somebody normal I mean honestly like if I meet somebody okay you meet a guy on Bumble oh no I would yeah I wouldn't but obviously you

SPEAKER_03wouldn't what I wouldn't do that on the first date second date sure if I like if I get to know them like and I feel like it could maybe go somewhere sure okay I don't want to just get used though I'm

Brian Atlasnot really down with the I don't really get anything out of casual sex okay but you you're not like hey I want to wait 10 days all right I don't really have an argument I can sense it out would have an argument if you're like well yeah I

SPEAKER_03want to wait 20 days but like you also do porn I feel like that would be kind of arbitrary like I'm interested in dating like people who also do content but the thing is it is kind of weird because your first interaction a lot of the time when you meet is like you're

SPEAKER_03filming with them so it but like you can still get a sense of their personality and if you Vibe with each other all right uh and then tomorrow I have you

Brian Atlasare you do I saw something $1,500 meet and greet what so like if a guy asks you when can we meet you'll say $1,500 you mean a quote I reposted on my Instagram yeah I read

Tamarathat yeah it's not written by me just a quote I thought it was funny but if anybody wants to I'm the Dutch Jessica Rabbit on Instagram hit me up I'm here no no kidding but it's uh you know what

Tamarawhen I didn't have money I was hungry I did that but I never really had sex with one of my d i just at one time it those just lonely men wanted to have dinner and I'm always a little bit scar scared of men as well I don't know I'm in the

Tamaraporn industry but I'm also a little bit scared of men I don't know why you said you do not really date you also never had a one night stand or anything no NE never had one night stand never and that's maybe I get her point a little

Tamarabit to make an assumption because of the job and everything yeah but um maybe I got into porn a little bit because I have a little bit of sexual problems myself you hear that a lot right people getting in the industry

Tamarabecause sometimes they get exalted and want to feel that power back so they get in the industry and like exp not to harm you with your all anything I didn't mean

Brian Atlasthat but um like my how do you take that mental when somebody takes your virginity how do you call that here um just Tak virginity I don't think there's a

Tamaraspecific term for it it was a very funny way of doing that and every time I had some comments when he did that he was uh like oh you're too wet you have to go to the toilet so I went to the toilet every

Tamaratime then I had too what you know all right I'll explain when I got my virginity taken away from me I left at that guy and he walked away that was the first experience and I had the second

Tamaraguy and you know I was like okay now I'm really ready like let's go okay and you get wet down there I I was quite older when I got my I think there's such thing

Tamaraat least on the guy yeah like you're too wet I didn't know that's good that would be good thing I think there's not enough friction sometimes like it's just too like feels like nothing it's just now I know that but I was like 18 19 years old

TamaraI was a little bit older when they took my virginity for the rest but he also said oh you have to go to the toilet you have to wipe it away before we do sex so you get before you get to bed with him you would just think oh gosh I need to

Tamarawipe it away and did you go to think normally when you have sex with somebody your brain goes off you go into the tunnel fish and oh my God I love you so much let's do this it was an and then I had the next guy and that was something else he was like oh your nipple gets too

Tamarahard oh do not talk do not speak oh your eyes are rolling back a little bit so every time no but you get to think so I never had an orgasm I never had anything like that so then I got like a normal relationship he didn't care he was like

Tamarawell that's [ __ ] I love you I don't care what you do but then you think too much because I you think oh my God I need to go to the toilet I need to go everything so I didn't feel one with my own I've never asked a girl to like you're too

Shane Smithwet that's so crazy if you're dating someone you're going to be intimate with them and you're in your head stop doing what you're I never have a one I 10 never been on real Tinder I just started Tinder this year and maybe I'm a little

Tamarabit not scared it's not a good word it's not like I'm scared of man I'm just scared sometimes like what if I do anything wrong and if I make my own movies I'm like in control I do not have an orgasm at all when I make my own movies I'm still like if I have an

Tamaraorgasm I lose control that's like a normal thing right you lose you shut your brain off but I get scared because everything in my mind is going like oh my God what if I make a sound what if my eyes turning what if I I just get this

Tamarareal scary feeling and I just need a man to be like I'm going to push it through and going to hold hold you down and just like maybe like raping is not a good word but be dominant about it so I get over that feeling and that's hard to

Brian Atlasexplain to I got to I'm going to read a chat here I do not feel one with my I don't know if I have a man was like I I'm sorry I have to read this uh I I guy bangs a a guy bangs a chick has entered

Brian Atlasa contract to possibly pay for the child he's equally liable for the kid and yes a woman can get an abortion for any reason and a guy has no safe period her choice all right wait so are you like

Brian Atlassaying that's how it is or that it that is how it is um but are you saying like that's how it that that's good is that a statement of support I can't tell yeah yeah yeah that's a good that's a good framing on

Tamarathat how about we not start this again yeah never well it it it came in like took me a while so either way to get back I had my last ex and he was very dominant and I didn't want to hurt his feelings and I said oh my God I had my f

Tamaraorgasm but I did not because I was still in my mind like oh my God what if I do anything wrong so for me making the content and the videos was getting a

Tamaralittle bit control back in my mind and my body very wrong way maybe but it's my way and that's why I do not make movies with people because I'm like scared I just want to say I'm so sorry for your

Brian Atlasexperience I'm not I'm okay with it it was quite funny I love about it I'm I do not feel I do not need to anything so you said uh what can we do as women to stop men from getting getting in their

Tamarawoman era what these are your notes what can we do as women to stop men getting in their women era yes uh that's maybe a Netherlands thing I don't know how it is

Tamarahere like The Sassy man apocalypse is that what you call it a lot of men are wearing like makeup doing their nails and it's not I do not care if a man wants to take care of himself look good

Tamarasmell good I don't know anything but I think as a men they still want a woman and as a woman when we still in the back of our minds want a man that we can run

Tamarato for safety and all the discussion we had and a lot of men are in their feminine era how can I find a manly man if every

Tamaraman I meet is like oh my God girl how are you I'm like dude and he's like a very bodybuilder man I'm think oh my God it's the man his tattoo his everything and he's like girl are you let's go to the nail salong together I'm like dude

Tamarayeah it's like the M Equinox they're all like kind of like that and I do not really like that it's not I do not have anything against being gay or anything but it's like I want a man where do I

Tamarafind this AG where do ibly correlate to your lifestyle and the people you spend time with and the places you go no but I I'm an introvert I'm always at home I do not go out I do not go to festivals I do

Tamaranot I'm at home eating pickles with myg are the feminite men showing up to eat pickles with you how are you meeting them no I never meet I just just probably need a man just be on the doorstep with a box of pickles I don't

Tamaraknow but I I don't know every time I meet a man that's why I'm first on Cinder for this year it's very scary for me as well I meet a man I'm meeting them or seeing them walking in the supermarket I'm like are you really like

Tamarastraight or are you gay because and then they are straight but dressing so gay and I'm like okay there's nothing wrong with it but I just want to I want a man I want to wi with hair on his legs and would fight that beer for me in the

Shane Smithforest this is a problem modern women are having where everyone's like oh I really like this and then they get older and then they're like where's an actual man to date me and you're like well but

Shane Smiththe women are giving giving themselves away to like the Hassan piger types with their nails p and they're goofy ass hairc that's everybody's beef with I don't know I just think he's goofy you

Tamaraknow I get your point of view and it's not for everybody saying but for me I just want a men and I cannot blame the men if you I'm very honest if you look at my Instagram you know I make content

TamaraI cannot blame a man for not taking me seriously like oh my God it's woman is probably one i' stand and then they meet me they're like oh you're quite reserved you also go to church what the [ __ ] is this I understand you go to church I

Tamarajust started as you with Christian Y what church you uh I'm yeah it's Inland it's einthoven it's a Chris I don't know how you call it okay well good for you keep going I just started that as well

Tamaraand I know the content thing is not really part of it working on it but uh I'm learning a lot just like yeah keep learning and in the Netherlands yeah faith is not really a big thing anymore

Tamarait's very Muslim country at the moment um but that's not a point but where do I find a real man and I cannot blame the man for looking at my Instagram content page for thinking you know I cannot take

Tamarathis lady seriously because she makes content she to not in the city they are not I not live in the city I live in the village I live in the hood well you need to not be in the Netherlands apparently yeah I've been to a medium as well they

Shane Smithsay oh he lives it not in but where do I find Wyoming go to Wyoming go to Wyoming you'll find them they're they're there are you there no I'm in Utah but Utah Wyoming Montana it's all the same place

Tamarabut either way where I cannot blame the men for looking at my page and everything I cannot blame them right but where do I find a man that's like you know what I'm still a man Al you want to

SPEAKER_03go to the places that those manly men would usually like be manly at yeah you know and so I feel like church is one of

SPEAKER_03those things um typically not always but Church Bass Pro Shops

Shane SmithOutdoors meetings the thing is that in the city women prefer men who paint their nails and do all that kind of stuff and that's what gets you laid and so all the men are trying to do that and

Shane Smiththen you're like well where are the manly men and they're in a place where women don't prefer that so you need to go find women who don't like that and hang out with them my friends do have that sort of men but I cannot I just

Tamarawant to be like a woman I want to be at home cooking for you get you fresh meal take care of the house a man doesn't have to live a finger in my household is not his job in my opinion I think you have you're probably going to get some

Brian AtlasDMS you have you have a double problem here so the first thing is yes there is probably a uh decrease in the amount of these men that you would deem to be a bit more like traditionally masculine but the other problem is even if you do

Brian Atlasfind this sort of men the traditionally masculine men are probably going to have an issue I'm not saying this to attack you but they are probably going to have an issue with the uh con and I do not blame them you being a sex worker I do

Tamaranot blame that's why I cannot blame them because I was a lingerie model first and they already judged you I didn't do anything and then I S myay I cannot blame them for it but you still I mean as a woman you still find those kind of

Tamaramen attractive so that's kind of but there are not many men left that are just going to the gym have black hair you know oh my God come to the Netherland what do you mean there's a I go to the

Brian Atlasgym like six days a week I see them all over the place but are they faithful are they true and they like [ __ ] up body something you have to find out by learning about them um I do I do got to move things on but good luck I'm sure a

Brian Atlasbunch of men will DM you uh we have Giani JD can I have you read this uh uh not in your mind but out loud if

SPEAKER_03possible I'm so sorry I didn't even know you said my name um you meet e effeminate men because you're a prostitute masculine men don't want you and she'll say lots of masculine men

Tamarawant me they're not masculine if they' entertain a prostitute I didn't say it I I I yeah in your defense you definitely didn't say that I didn't say that is this question for me or for everybody no

Tamarait's a statement not so much a question but dude do you want to date me are you muscular just are you rich he's a lawyer Gi Oh my God I'm I'm a student I'm a lawyer

Brian Atlasstudent we can start our own practice I have money okay we have psycho to the Dutch lady claiming to be Dutch if you want a real man go to the south of the United States claiming to be Dutch what

Tamaradoes that even mean that is my parents my grandparents everybody is Dodge who the [ __ ] are you it's all the r but if you're spending money just go to my own defense thank you psycho appreciate it

Brian Atlasappreciate it thank you man um let's see uh we need to get to Maddy's notes Maddie give me just a sec to get that pulled up here you said you're secretly dating your boss

Maddiewhoa not anymore yeah I was going to say that surprise not anymore right because you're a good girl here what do you mean no I'm still dating him what do you mean I'm still dating him yeah did you throw

Tamarayou had a boyfriend oh man oh that's your boyfriend that's my boyfriend I thought it was another guy thought she's still dating the throwy yeah no we ended up

Brian Atlastogether yeah I'm a detective nice you have a good memory okay uh you said that you may have groomed a 19-year-old kid when you were 25 26 yeah okay so I wanted to bring that up

Maddiebecause everybody always talks about whether it's good to have um an age Gap relationship and this is why I think it's wrong just because of my experience I had gotten out of a really bad

Maddietraumatic relationship and then I was like 25 26 he was maybe 19 and we became so attached at the hip that it got to the point where he was freaking out even

Maddiethough I told him I didn't want to date him that he that he was like I'm never going to find anybody else I love you why don't you love me what are you doing to the it was like traumatic for me and

MaddieI felt so bad because it had to have been my fault to have done that to somebody younger you does that make sense that's why that's what I mean by grooming is 19 young here what's are the

Maddierules in America he was so young in what did you do wrong though like you what happened I guess I I feel like I I took advantage of him like he was almost a rebound from the ex and I told him

Maddiefrom the get I was not going to be in a relationship but he kept begging he kept begging he was real in love he's like I love you I love you I love you and he would not stop so I got to the point where I had said I love you once and I mean I did but I was not not not on a

Shane SmithI'm going to dat wait how long did you see him for o under a year okay me so you hurt someone's feelings reg he's a full grown man I

Brian Atlasguess maybe I feel guilty for no reason grooming for like you said you're 25 he was 19 like how would that be you grooming maybe I use the wrong word for sure I just you heard young men take

Brian Atlasheartbreak incredibly Harden what I mean moners they have feel ter okay you said that you stayed in an insanely toxic relationship with a drug dealer

Maddiefor 3 years yeah he was insanely addicted to cocaine and did Le oh my god the guy that preceded your grooming incident no that was the one that that was bright before it that's what I'm

Tamarasaying yeah so he's the bad relationship do you think your karma for that boy absolutely like God gave you like terrible men after this like punish yeah

Maddieno yeah he went to jail like several times really during the yeah like we went to we went to Cancun and uh I got completely blackout drunk I don't drink

Maddieanymore by the way kind of kind of still do but uh I got so drunk I I wake up and there's all this yelling outside of our apartment or uh like hotel room and all

Maddiethese girls are screaming at him because everybody in the vicinity had thought he was trying to take advantage of me cuz we were like fighting screaming I didn't I'm just standing there literally I'm just standing there and they're like why

Tamarawhy why were you screaming why were you screaming and yeah we brought the worst out of each other am I the only one who didn't expect this I was like oh my God you're a good girl helping death people in a thrift store and you like totally

Brian Atlasdated a drug dealer and doing bad girl [ __ ] oh I I had to learn I had a very terrible upbringing I yeah all right you said uh let's see we'll get into you said what you wanted to ask the panel

Brian Atlaswhat everyone's definition of high value actually is especially based off modern day Society I like that yeah well you guys always talk about high value so do we

Maddiewell kind of you're thinking like fresh and fit or like and I just what is what is a a modern day achievable high value

Shane Smithwoman achievable high value woman yeah Shane do you want to I mean I guess a high value woman would be someone who

Shane Smithmakes you feel safe who doesn't embarrass you who is loyal but not just in terms of sex someone who will uh who

Shane Smithwho doesn't care about like what you have or where you're going but cares about the content of your character a high value woman respects and loves you as a man despite what you have or where you're going in life she just wants to

Shane Smithgo there with you would you date a woman that's like richer than you and achieves more than you would you dat most so until so I'm 37 until I was about 33 I work two jobs and live paycheck to

Shane Smithpaycheck and so most the women I had dated were doing better than me so I I grew up very poor so only recently if I come into money and so yes I would I've dated women who make more than me for

Brian Atlassure yeah so I mean when it and I wrote this down uh but uh so I when I think it hold on I got to fix this uh when I think it comes to uh being high value

Brian Atlasit's an amalgamation of things so for example I think a woman having a low body count or being a virgin can make a

Brian Atlaswoman high value but say she's a virgin or has low body count but is heroin addicted and has a bunch of other vices

Brian Atlasand has a terrible personality um I wouldn't consider this person high value yeah uh so I think it's an amalgamation of things I don't think it's just simply

Brian Atlasone thing but so I guess I wrote down a list of what I think uh not they don't need to have all of these necessarily but if they have them then I think overall this would make a woman high

Brian Atlasvalue so uh this includes but is not limited to Beauty femininity submissiveness peaceful so not quarrelsome doesn't nag Pleasant modest

Brian Atlaslow body count or virgin minimal or no current Vice drinking drugs smoking vaping Etc minimal or no past Vice

Brian Atlasdrinking drug smoking vaping Etc uh an immediate undivided exclusive romantic and sexual attention so I think there's there's

Brian Atlasmore things I could list but to break it down I think those are probably probably the most important things okay yeah so and on that last one I think it is amazing that I even need to State this

Brian Atlasbut uh I guess pres prescriptive advice for men I think at bare minimum I don't think it under any circumstance I don't think men should

Brian Atlasconsider or be sexually involved with a woman who is sleeping with another man or even worse multiple other men yeah uh

Brian Atlasso and other guys for example other guys who will will say [ __ ] like well she's not relationship material but I'd still smash or recreational use

Brian Atlasonly I say no use only so even if you're a guy and if you're inclined to have like casual hookups one night stands or friends with benefits I still think it's an L for you to sleep with a girl who is

Maddieor has recently been sexually active with another man yeah okay valid yeah I agree with most of those except for you said

Maddiepast issues with alcoholism or drugs why that one if it's in the past it's the same reason as body count look I mean some people have different if it's some

Brian Atlaspeople don't have objections to things in your past um I I do think it's a potential red flag I think people can redeem themselves I think people can have made mistakes in their past and

Brian Atlasabsolutely go on and be great Partners be good people um I just think if you can you can always optimize for like the

Brian Atlasbest potentiality so I would say that someone who has no past advice or minimal past of Vice is likely to be a

Brian Atlasmore optimal Choice yeah now nobody's perfect people are going to have make mistakes but when it comes to dating both men and women are always going to

Brian Atlaswant to try to get the most Optimum part partner they can I know so um yeah me personally I'm not a big drinker don't

SPEAKER_03do drugs smoking whatever so uh rarely drink so you should try it no there's nothing to be gained why why why should

SPEAKER_03I try it silly ju makes but when it tears your family apart oh yeah or put you in dangerous yeah I'm impervious to peer

Shane Smithpressure I'm not really interested in drinking but you know I don't yeah I just never you're not addicted to it on the same card previous Vice is bad but sometimes it is like if you have a

Shane Smithfive-year chip that is like an indicator that you've changed and you can do the work and that's actually a positive for a lot of people so there is that also if you are doing the work in redeeming

Shane Smithyourself and changing and it's like I can see it that's a huge green flag right so if she's got the fiveyear chip then she yeah she's putting in work but if you're like and that's the same thing with the body count if you're like hey

Shane SmithI've been so good for this long this is how I behave this is what I'm up to these are my boundaries but if you were like I'm in a relationship with you now

Shane Smithbut last month yeah you're like okay well what am I doing here so mhm Point yep uh I'm trying to see what else though

Brian Atlasum I'll actually even take it a step further than like when it I'm moving on off from the vice but when it comes to like the recreational use only um all

Brian Atlasthat stuff um and how some men will like sleep with a girl who's sexually active with other men uh I think that should be the bare minimum but I actually take it

Brian Atlasa step further and I say if a girl is dating other men I'm not interested I really don't think there's anything wrong with that is that

Brian Atlascontroversial I think it is well it's controversial in so far as the way a lot of people move in the dating landscape they're like they're they're involved with other people you know like a lot of

Brian Atlasgirls are dating some other dude most women aren't ever really single a lot of them are never truly there's some dude in the picture some guy they're [ __ ] they're hooking up

Brian Atlaswith whatever it is and so um but even if they're not hooking up with a guy but they're just like going on three like this girl right here no fence Isis no I'm uh she said she went on like seven

Brian Atlasdates a week if I if I was like date number two and then she's like yeah I got five more dates lined up or even if she didn't tell me but I knew about it I would just lose interest like I would lose interest if I knew like I think

Isis Hongthat's totally valid cuz I want to be the next Bachelorette but you probably don't want to be dat someone who want to be the next Bachelorette it's like that totally makes sense you're entitled to your opinion and you'll find a girl that's perfect for you just like I'll

Brian Atlasfind a guy that's perfect for me Brian you're going to find love yeah don't worry like it's okay you don't have to prove prove that to me I agree with you okay cool uh and then you wanted to talk about what a woman brings to a

Maddierelationship because I think the podcast has really changed my opinion on that yeah no so I started watching a couple months ago I'm a big fan now but uh it really made me think you know we talk about how

Maddiemen bring all this to the table right they're the providers they'll build the house right but in modern day because it kind of goes along with what's a modern day woman what is a woman bring to the table nowadays I had to have this conversation with my boyfriend cuz I was

Maddiereally really interested because prior to being married I'm not necessarily cleaning cooking and doing all these things having his kid right um so I I I guess I just wanted to see everybody

Tamaraelse's opinion on that besides your body cuz to me I don't understand why people's bodies on both sides even matter I think this is a problem again we are facing women becomes more men nowadays we have to work we have to do

Tamarathis we have to do that so how I'm going to take care of a house if I have to do everything the same as a man what is a modern version of what woman do you want to be a modern version of a woman I

Tamarathink you have to ask yourself that do I want to be a half of a man in a relationship if you do not want to be be powerful as a woman and act like a woman and let the man be the man that's fair stop comparing

Shane Smithyourself to a men because you're not yeah if a man builds a house a woman's job is to fill it with love she makes it a home you are the heart of the house the men makes the house and you are the heart of it what men want is peace so

Shane Smithyou need to bring peace love and gentleness into the life of someone who doesn't experience that on the daily if you're a man you're not experiencing Gent ESS you're not experiencing kindness and you're very rarely experiencing love even the love of your

Shane Smithbrothers is not the same as the love of a woman so it's your job to bring love gentleness and you know these sorts of things into in peace most importantly peace that's why when he says no nagging

Shane Smithno Coral some it's like my whole life is conflict as a man at any time like there's so many times when you're like am I'm about to fight this guy right now like all the time your whole life is just you're hyper aware of the violence

Shane Smitharound you and how competitive other men are and yada y yada and when you come home you want a woman to bring peace gentleness and love into your life and that's exactly my point a lot of women

Tamarasaying oh men do not understand how it is to be a moment we do not understand what it is to be a man how to be tough and how to defend your home and everything else and not be able to speak

Tamaraabout something I think if you want to be like the heart of the house and be like feminine proactively gentle you can't proud being a woman and be strong at being a woman you can't exist in the

Isis Hongspace though you have to be proactive with it you have to be proactively gent proac yourself as a woman just be proud I have a question why are you expecting wom to provide you provide you the peace

Shane Smithwhy could you go see a therapist and find peace within yourself or like your god oh I have tons of PE like personal peace in my life but in terms of a

Shane Smithrelationship where I'm sharing a space with another person and we building a life or a home or a situation together then what I have to offer isn't so much

Shane Smiththat I think that a woman is better equipped to bring love gentleness and peace into my life Shane if I if I can

Brian Atlasjump in on so I think so you have peace when you're single right yes and so when we say we want peace from a woman it's

Brian Atlasnot like our life is chaotic or excuse me sorry I'm on I'm on the switchboard here too now and I'm in hosting so if your

Brian Atlaslife is uh hold on how do I want to frame this here so if your life is not chaotic as a guy like we're not looking or no if your life is chaotic as a guy

Brian Atlaswe're not looking for women to like be a cure to the chaos in our lives we just don't want you to add more to it that's there you go like we don't want you to

Brian Atlaslike be a liability we don't want arguing and drama and conflict we want you to like you said

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