Men INSECURE About Body Count?! NYC Gold Digger Has Roster Of SIMPS?! | Dating Talk #187

Date: 2024-08-14
Duration: 8h 20m

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Maddie(guest)
SPEAKER_03(guest)
SPEAKER_05Isis Hong(guest)
SPEAKER_08(audience)
SPEAKER_10Lauren Kofi(guest)
SPEAKER_11Shane Smith(guest)
SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)
SPEAKER_14Tamara(guest)

Key Moments

00:03:16
IntroJaspachy introduces herself: 25yo Las Vegas content creator/OnlyFans

Hi guys I'm just pachy I'm 25 I currently live in Las Vegas Nevada and I'm a full-time content creator streamer and I do only fan.

00:04:54
IntroIsis Hong introduces herself: 27yo NYC software engineer/TikToker, born China, Korean parents

Hi my name is Isis ... I'm 27 ... I do TikTok my username is Isis Hong ... I'm also a software engineer. I got a degree in Biochemistry and computer science. Born in China (Korean parents), moved to Seattle at 15, college at 16.

00:06:27
IntroTamara introduces herself: Dutch Jessica Rabbit, 28, Netherlands, content creator/student

Hi my name is Tamara better known as the Dutch Jessica Rabbit I'm from the Netherlands ... I'm 28 I'm an adult industry content creator and I'm also a student studying legal administration.

00:14:55
IntroLauren Kofi introduces herself: 30yo singer-songwriter/model/actress, Nottingham/London, Blue Therapy

I'm Lauren Kofi I'm a singer songwriter model and actress ... from Nottingham but I live in London age 30. Was on Blue Therapy.

00:15:48
IntroShane Smith introduces himself: 37yo Utah comedian, ex-motorcycle club member

I'm Shane Smith I'm 37 I'm from Utah and I'm a comedian. Grew up with stepfather in motorcycle club, got full sleeves and neck tattoos at 18. I am out.

00:17:54
Key MomentJaspachy reveals she married at 18, divorced Marine husband after 5 years; he cheated with her best friend

I am single ... my longest relationship was 5 years ... I got married at 18 out of high school. He said he didn't love me while we were married ... there was infidelity ... he cheated with my best friend.

00:39:12
Key MomentTamara reveals she had labiaplasty; describes them as extremely large, painful, and brought photos

I got [labiaplasty] ... they were dead big they removed on each side ... it looks like a dick when I wore a bikini that is how big they were ... I have pictures.

00:53:12
Key MomentIsis argues Brian is selfish for not wanting marriage since he can get all benefits without it

If you're selfish and can't convince you to do something unless there's a value I'm providing ... fundamentally if you're selfish you can't be convinced... the only way is if she's a billionaire.

00:53:24
QuoteBrian states the only scenario where he'd get married: if she's a billionaire

Yeah that's the scenario in which I'll get married ... if she's a billionaire I will marry her.

02:41:40
Key MomentSelf-rating round: guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7s). Isis: 6. Jaspachy: 10. Lauren: 8-10. Dominica: 5. Maddie: 5. Brian: 5.

Starting with Isis what... six. [SPEAKER_03]: five in the US two in European countries... six. [Lauren/SPEAKER_10]: in Texas I'm an eight but in California a six... I'm a 10 sometimes as a model. Brian: five.

03:40:00
Key MomentIsis reveals she asked a man for a $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition for second date; he complied; later had threesome with him and his girlfriend

He said what designer do you like I said I like Tiffany but I don't like silver ... Buy me something ... about $2,500 ... and that was my first and only threesome — with him and his girlfriend, on my birthday.

03:42:00
ControversyBrian calls Isis a "certified gold digger" after learning about bracelet demand and roster behavior

She is a certified gold digger. She grabs dude's dicks within minutes of meeting them but she claims to have a low body count. It doesn't really add up.

04:54:00
Key MomentBody count round: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputes); SPEAKER_03 mix: 3 and <10; Shane declines (>11)

Jaspachy: probably like 30ish which is very low for somebody in that ... does porn ... four of those are from this week. Isis: less than 10. [SPEAKER_03]: less than 10 / three. Shane: 11 ... I won't be saying [exact number] at all.

07:00:00
Key MomentIsis reveals she measured men's penis size on first dates; had 9-inch experience; doesn't need men for orgasms

I always know [the size] because I measure it ... I don't want men to fool me. He was 9 [inches] ... for someone so handsome he's really not good at sex. If he can't get me off I have my vibrator.

08:13:09
QuoteIsis TikTok video read aloud: viral "if you wanted to you would" video about staying with wrong partners

It's not that if he wanted to he would, it's that if you wanted to you would. If you wanted to find a man that treats you the way you want to be treated you would. The problem was never them, it has always been you.

08:13:12
QuoteShane says he'd like to return for a deeper conversation about the porn industry

I'd love to. I'd like to... I would love to talk more about the porn industry like in a fair question that I'm always doing.

Topics Discussed

00:00:00
Show intro and announcements

Brian Atlas opens the show, standard platform announcements: Streamlabs, Twitch, merch, Discord, TTS triggers, BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit joke.

00:03:16
Guest introductions (round 1) — name, age, location, occupation

All guests introduce themselves in order: Jaspachy (25, Las Vegas, content creator/OnlyFans), Isis Hong (27, NYC, software engineer/TikToker), Tamara (28, Netherlands, content creator/student), Vivian (18, Orinda CA, music intern), Lucy (19, LA, student), Alexa (21, Baltimore, OnlyFans/student), Maddie (27, Dallas, deaf thrift store), Lauren Kofi (30, London, singer/model/actress), Shane Smith (37, Utah, comedian), Dominica (22, LA, cosmetology student). Extended discussion of Tamara's Netherlands background, red light district school trips, labiaplasty.

00:17:50
Relationship status round

Brian asks each guest current relationship status, longest relationship, how long single. Jaspachy: single 2.5yr, divorced Marine husband (cheated with best friend), now celibate. Isis: casually seeing someone ~2-3 months, not yet had sex with him. Tamara: single (brief 2-month thing earlier); does not do one-night stands. Vivian: single ~9 months, on-and-off guy for 7 months. Lucy: single. Alexa: single ~1.5yr (ex had Grindr + another girlfriend). Maddie: relationship 1yr 2mo. Lauren: single 1+ year. Shane: married October prior. Dominica: single ~4 months.

00:40:00
Tamara's labiaplasty and OnlyFans discussion

Tamara shares she had a labiaplasty (labia were extremely large, caused pain). Brought photos. Brian's BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit discussed. Shane defends all body types. Discussion of Tamara continuing OnlyFans until financially stable; Shane challenges whether she will find traditional man while doing adult content.

01:00:00
Marriage debate — should men get married?

Extended panel discussion on whether men should get married. Brian lays out financial/legal risks (prenup limitations, community property, divorce attorney costs). Guests attempt to convince Brian. Isis argues Brian is selfish; Brian says he would marry a female billionaire. Tamara argues marriage is about love and commitment, not fear of cheating. Jaspachy argues risks go both ways; references her military marriage experience. Discussion of taking husband's last name — split opinions.

02:33:20
Feminist/patriarchy questions

Quick round: who considers themselves a feminist? (none raised hands). Brief discussion of patriarchy in context of marriage traditions.

02:41:40
Self-rating round (looks 1-10, no 7s)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (no 7s allowed), starting with Isis. Isis: 6. Jaspachy: rated herself 10 (oscillating). Lauren: 8-10 (model). Dominica: 5 in US, 2 in Europe. Maddie: 5. Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: 5-6. Brian: 5. Extended tangent on Jaspachy's 10 self-rating and whether she's the most attractive at table.

03:00:00
Will you look better in 10 years?

Brian asks each guest if they'll be more attractive in 10 years. Isis: yes to all ages until death. Tamara: yes at 38, maybe 48, no after 58. Lauren: same/slightly better for a few years then decline. Dominica: better at 32, then plateau. Brian gave himself 5/10; Shane says he was better looking when younger.

03:15:00
Musical chairs / panel reshuffle

Brief segment: chairs rearranged when Isis moves or leaves briefly. Show notes section begins.

03:17:00
Height preferences

Brian asks each guest: how tall are you and minimum height for a partner? Isis: 5'3", used to require 6ft but now dating shorter man. Tamara: wears heels, doesn't judge height if he has dominant energy. Multiple guests: 5'2-5'3" heights, minimum ~4'11 to 5'6". Shane: doesn't care about height in a partner. Brian: 5'7".

03:29:40
Pre-show notes: Isis Hong deep-dive

Brian reviews Isis's Instagram and TikToks. Isis's request for $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition of second date — she got it, and later had a threesome with him and his girlfriend (her only threesome). Panel debates whether this is sex work. Discussion of Isis's roster period (a first date every day for 2+ months). Brian calls her a certified gold digger; Isis defends authenticity. Isis outed her brother as gay on show (name: Tony). She mentions $200k/year income requirement for men.

03:38:00
Tiffany bracelet / gold-digger / sex-work debate

Panel debates whether Isis getting a $2,500 bracelet from a date constitutes sex work. Tamara says world is transactional. Isis denies it was sex work (sex came much later). Shane argues it's similar to sex work by analogy. Discussion of women having easy mode dating vs men's difficulty.

04:30:00
Body count discussion — does it matter?

Extended panel discussion on body count. Does it matter for relationships? Brian says men prefer lower body count. Shane: high body count affects how people want to date you (not inherent worth). Female guests push back — shame vs double standard. Body counts revealed: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputed); Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: "less than 10" and "3." Shane: declined, >11.

04:50:00
Insecurity about body count — men's perspective

Brian argues it's not insecurity to prefer low body count partners. Jaspachy accuses Brian of shaming women. Shane notes no man has ever wished his girlfriend had more partners. Discussion of hookup culture and whether it benefits women. Alexa discussion of ex-boyfriend (bisexual, had another girlfriend).

05:10:00
Adult content industry and relationships

Panel discusses whether women who do OnlyFans can be in monogamous relationships. Jaspachy says filming is professional, not intimate — boyfriend is consensual. Shane challenges what "commitment" means if partner films with others. Tamara adds perspective from her experience in adult content. Brian: girlfriend who does porn = she's cheating on him if he can't also see others.

05:10:00
Child support, abortion rights, and bodily autonomy

Brian frames asymmetry: women can get abortions, men always pay child support. Should men have legal paternal surrender (opt out of child support)? Extended back-and-forth with SPEAKER_03 guests. Tamara: Netherlands requires both men and women to register for potential draft. Isis argues forced military conscription is worse than abortion bans. Panel mostly agrees women should be drafted if they want equality.

07:16:00
TikTok reaction: Isis Show Season 1 and 2

Brian plays and reacts to Isis's TikTok videos. Videos about orgasms/followers, rotation-era sadness, men not getting her off, going to the mall hoping to see her ex, heartbreak vulnerability. Tamara and panel comment on authenticity vs performing for content. Isis defends truth-telling approach. Panel reaches rare consensus on one of her videos about staying with wrong partners.

08:06:00
Show wrap-up and final thoughts

TTS roast section (10 minutes, $30 threshold). Chat calls Isis "most despicable woman" and "CCP plant." Tamara and Brian banter about going on a date (he declines due to OnlyFans). Shane says he'd love to come back. Isis leaves slightly early. Brian does outro, thanks panel, announces next show Sunday 5pm Pacific.

Transcript

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04:43:57
SPEAKER_03their name and you're doing it I mean it could be less than that it could be it could just be like like I don't know like the one night stands is a hookup culture obviously I'm just wondering how that's any different from what your job
04:44:09
SPEAKER_03is yeah well I to me it's very professional I think you show up you sign the paperwork you have to do paperwork you have to take pictures of IDs it's very disgust like we're doing this we're doing this then um if there's a camera guy they have to go over all of
04:44:21
SPEAKER_03that there's it's very setup it's not like I'm not going to lie a lot of the time girls they you can just Lube up your your coach and you're good like it's not even really intimate sometimes
04:44:31
SPEAKER_03I don't think the the hookup culture is intimate either um I mean I think that like sometimes I feel like girls that do uh corn they're not always even aroused
04:44:42
SPEAKER_08like sometimes it's just I think girls doing hookup culture aren't always aroused well why are they doing it then can I ask that's a great question that's what we're trying to answer Giani J donated
04:44:54
SPEAKER_08$200 hookup culture is bad I'm a relationship girl but I prostitute myself I don't think you're lying but not facing that inherent conflict in your stated values is pathetic
04:45:06
SPEAKER_03virtuously bankrupt do you think the money is do you have a response to G um I mean I think you can be a relationship person I and also do what I do which I'm not a
04:45:18
Brian Atlasproblem really quick before I have [Music] uh do Dom Dominica okay I got it yes you got it uh because you said in a voice
04:45:29
SPEAKER_03note I'm a good girlfriend yes I'd be spoiling I okay but if you but if you're signing up to date me you already know what you're getting into whether it's filming with me or me filming with other
04:45:40
SPEAKER_03people and I probably wouldn't expect a man that's a normal man like not doing content to let me go film with other people I wouldn't expect that isn't he a like isn't any guy who's willing to date
04:45:50
SPEAKER_03a woman who does porn isn't he like a cuck I I I'm a cuck I'll cuck my boyfriend I don't care it's mutual and if they're into that they're into that they don't always into that but I guess
04:46:00
SPEAKER_03it's like I'm a good girlfriend but you [ __ ] other men on camera but I'm a very loving person I like give all the gifts I like I'm a good girlfriend it's so
04:46:12
SPEAKER_03but to you for someone for everyone and it's not like cheating and whatnot if you're it's open relationship there's different kind not her fault he agreeing with her it's kind of like ladies the boyfriend's great you signed up for it
04:46:25
SPEAKER_03you signed up for it the boyfriend's great he spoils you he treats you perfectly you get along gr but I'm not cheating on no one but he cheats on you but I'm not cheating an open relationship is with consent and they know that and they know that when but
04:46:38
Brian Atlashere's the difference here's the difference I'm open to an open on here's the difference so a girl who does porn she'll date a civilian guy who doesn't do porn she'll be [ __ ] other men for her I would maybe stop hold on she'll be
04:46:51
Brian Atlas[ __ ] other men for her work if he were to go out and just [ __ ] a chick another civilan that would be cheating on his end no that he can still he can do it if he wants it's just that I would
04:47:02
SPEAKER_03want him to be safe about it cuz that can put my jobup culture um I mean that's essentially what it is okay but like I don't I'm not like with the people I don't know I'm I
04:47:15
SPEAKER_03like I like the commitment I don't I don't have really an issue with people doing what they want okay what if he has if he wants to go do that while like you know it's adults can do what they want
04:47:25
Shane Smithwhat is commitment to in your opinion like you know relationship like you a relationship to me is like a commitment and then there are like very specific
04:47:35
Shane Smithstated boundaries and their self-denial because the person I'm with has to deny themselves all these other types of things how they spend their time who they spend their time with who they share their body with because I feel
04:47:47
Shane Smithspecial and I want them to feel special and I want our bond to be unique to us and so when you're like oh it's commitment it's like well but that's just friendship you're describing friendship um I wouldn't consider that
04:47:59
SPEAKER_03friendship cuz I feel like if you're like with that partner you're like living with them you're doing it's like they're your partner but then you guys and it's also if it's for work I would not I'm not the type of person to have open relationship outside of my job I'm not really into that I don't get
04:48:13
Shane Smithpleasure from going and being with a bunch of people it's just like my job so yeah and hon I think that's fine but do you think the type of men who would do
04:48:24
Shane Smithwho would be with you are going to have the values you want like what if a guy will let you do all that stuff what kind of values do you think he values in a woman himself well I wouldn't expect like like you like he said most of them
04:48:36
SPEAKER_03are cucks if they if they are okay with that but if I was to date a civilian which I might but I would probably just film with them or something because I think that is if he doesn't want that yeah if he doesn't want that what you do
04:48:48
Tamarafilm with them but if he doesn't want to be filmed or included okay all right interesting yeah I have to that's like my job and I also like you know what I mean sure I have
04:49:00
SPEAKER_03one can I ask one more question sure mhm I was just wondering would you be comfortable if you had kids right now to be doing your job well I don't know when I'll have kids and if I had kids right now I would have be they would be very
04:49:11
SPEAKER_03like I'm 21 I'd have to be having babies at like 18 but um I mean Mo I would be comfortable with that it's just that most almost every single content creator I know has kids I go hang out with like the other people I know they're like they got a six-year-old they got a
04:49:25
SPEAKER_03six-year-old some of the guys I know they have 20 year- olds they have like so many kids depending on how old they are everybody has a baby mom like most SWS have a kid and but they're not married and they uh some of them are married but some of them are married
04:49:38
SPEAKER_03some of them are in relationships a lot of the I'm not going to lie like I filmed with like I filmed with four people this week and I think four two of them are in one of them's married and one of them is in a like a cre
04:49:50
Tamararelationship you caral knowledge with four people this week I have no idea what that means but I do agree with what she's saying I'm like a por as well a lot of people that I know that are very big content creator
04:50:02
Tamaralike in London and stuff and Inland are married or having children and the man is just a houseman he just lays down get the money doesn't care keep you keep I think men are getting very feminine and
04:50:14
Brian Atlaswomen getting very menly at this point I do got to move things on a little bit but about it but most of them are married going to age going to pachy here
04:50:23
SPEAKER_03uh you said that you love that Brian advocates for big laia women I do # big laia and I I think on that on the other
04:50:35
Tamaraflip side of that forkins matter too I think that like judging a person on their genital I got mine removed it's just ridiculous especially when I have a picture of it as well you got LA plasty
04:50:47
Tamaraand I got a picture of that I I wanted to take it home on strong water as well oh my God I I got pictures of that as well I wanted to take them home as well and strong water yes it would be so
04:50:58
Tamarafunny I have pictures of that as well I can send it to you later you can pop it in later not realize that sad no they were so big it was hurting me as well you know if I wear like a g string like
04:51:10
Tamarathat lay stuff they got stuck in between so when seam on denim shorts is your biggest enemy and when I was just wearing like a bikini it would look like a dick between my legs that is how big they were you know when a chihuahua gets
04:51:23
Tamarareally old and it tongue hangs out it mouth swe to God that's what you guys are looking like and's going on make a whole new Ro that's an overstate they were just like really really really big
04:51:34
Tamarareally big you can make a whole new highway with them too big darling they are you have to do like nope you're perfect like sees them open now how you call it open your gat you have to like
04:51:45
Brian Atlaspull them apart I've I've been catfished by girls they're like hey Brian I've got a big lady I'm going to show you pictures after that you will be like oh damn no you will be like oh damn okay just appreciate that you advocate for
04:51:57
Tamarathat all these girls claiming they got like you can have noral they got a midi no when when he puts his dick in the lady I will also go in I would
04:52:07
Tamaralike he's [ __ ] up it hurts he was [ __ ] up yes and it looks like a dick when I wor oh stop you're fine they were dead big they removed on each side like
04:52:18
Shane Smiththis sort of part it probably wasn't even this I have picture you will you will be sorry for this one is that big if you're a woman and you're listening to this you're perfect just stay as you
04:52:27
Shane Smithare are you also on the dude I am straight up a confident woman who just whatever she's got going on she's just like yeah this is what it's about if you are a woman and you are in pain please
04:52:39
Brian Atlasdo something about it don't get AIA plasty don't do it please do if you are in pain it's your body your choice don't do it don't do it don't do it yeah look some girls they can have discomfort or whatever but I think a lot of girls they
04:52:52
Brian Atlasjust feel insecure about it to be honest but if you are in pain weird to be insecure about too I don't think God I can't imagine a guy looking that's like a guy that's like a guy with a big dick
04:53:02
Brian Atlasand he's like oh it's kind of uncomfortable shrink down my dick like yeah dickening surgery keep even if it's uncomfortable keep the big [ __ ] okay keep it the only guy I've ever heard
04:53:14
Brian Atlastalk crap about big laas was that comedian guy yeah oh I love
04:53:23
Brian Atlaslove I will debate him on lebia for bring him in here for the BLM team the [ __ ] BLM team I want to be here as well show him all the pictures oh my
04:53:34
TamaraGod yes I will I would take them with me on strong water oh my God it would be so funny big big laia yeah I only I only date women with big laia so oh there
04:53:44
Shane Smithgoes my chance rip [ __ ] up you [ __ ] up hopefully she can undo her Leia plassy with her good personality snip snap stretching them out every night
04:53:56
SPEAKER_03yeah you're going to have to um you said that you play World of Warcraft but we you need to talk to PO you yeah you are you down for him I could listen no listen hold ond because I was but you
04:54:08
SPEAKER_03were you were like bringing him up to the girl and like none of them could appreciate you know like and then and
04:54:14
SPEAKER_03then you showed the keyboard oh yeah and yeah that was bad that was bad that was really bad really bad red black that
04:54:26
SPEAKER_03that's why he needs a woman in his life though to help out with the household I guess yeah you should date him I could listen I used to heal I used to heal and I hear he's a tank so oh wait he's a
04:54:38
Brian Atlastank he said he was a he mostly plays Rog and Hunter oh who was I thinking about them oh I don't know anyways um I can get you linked up with pale he's oh my God you should that
04:54:51
Brian Atlaskeyboard was uh let's see what about asmin gold do you know asmin Golds yeah yeah I actually watch him a lot he's pretty fun t Okay uh let's see who else
04:55:00
Brian Atlasthe notes do we have oh viven okay uh Vivien dating topics if a young woman dates an older man for money is that prostitution yeah you like said it
04:55:11
SPEAKER_03earlier which was funny you like brought that ex like the same question so what do you think um is a prostitution I kind
04:55:22
SPEAKER_03of well no no I would say it isn't but like I'm pretty open-minded like I genuinely kind of don't know so that's why I'm
04:55:33
Shane Smithasking people okay uh if you exchange goods or services for access to your body in a situation where you would they would not have access to
04:55:44
Shane Smithyou Sands goods and services than you are doing sex work yeah so like when people say oh I I like I have a sugar daddy and then they act like they're sugaring sugaring is a different word
04:55:56
Shane Smithfor prostitution it's just modern you're just a you're just a a a work you're a prostitute with a regular client yeah but then how do how like but it's just
04:56:07
Tamarathe same thing as saying I'm a content creator know we are just hor on the internet covering up a name like modern prostitution and I can't say that because I'm a su side as well it's just
04:56:19
Brian Atlasmodern so but what about I mean like I I don't like if it is of the nature of women to be attracted to successful
04:56:28
Shane Smithmen because they have money is that like I don't think there's anything wrong if a woman's attracted to a guy because he's successful IE not we think I think
04:56:41
Shane Smithwhat I think good women are attracted to success I think bad women are attracted to money success doesn't necessarily correlate to money you you know a guy could be let's say an Olympic gold
04:56:52
Shane Smithmedalist Sprinter and there's not a lot of money in that he's just he makes like you know a middle class income and there could be thousands of women that are like this super athlete is so hot I want to date him he's well respected y ya but
04:57:05
Shane Smithhe doesn't have money whereas there could be a guy who just like inherited millions of dollars and they're like you're successful you're hot he's not successful they're attracted to to money
04:57:14
SPEAKER_08material well met Paladin donated $200 and2 I don't think she should date payo she's too old for what he prefers like
04:57:26
SPEAKER_08Game of Thrones too old if you know what I mean yikes wait like Game of Thrones I don't
04:57:33
Brian Atlastoo old uh I think he's say wait what po you're going to let him talk about you like that all right thank you L
04:57:44
Tamarapaladins appreciate it man uh okay so I guess I do have a question for you though I why is everything nowadays sugarcoated like I'm a pors and I'm very
04:57:55
Tamaraopen about it honestly I'm on sugar daddy side as well but like I just said why is everything nowadays so offensive why do I have to say like I'm a content creator no we are porn stars why do is
04:58:07
Tamaraeverything in life has a different name I'm not a porn star know in the world I mean in the world calm down a little bit but why is it everything has to are you going to let Isis are you going to let
04:58:17
Tamaraher talk yeah I'm so sorry please good girl very good girl thank you wow either way dominated either way why is
04:58:26
Tamaraeverything so sugarcoated like the daddy Arrangement it's like a modern day of excort thing obviously I see it that way maybe because I'm dodging you very
04:58:38
Tamaradirect but why is everything is it because of social media you cannot say porn star why is it called content creat because she is a content creator by all means because he make videos for fun and
04:58:50
Tamaraentertainment like not in a porn star way I see that more as a content creator influencer that I am I'm just a porn star why am I a content creator in the name if I am a porn star and I also
04:59:01
Isis Hongcreate content even if my content is related to my body or luring men in if I see myself as a creative as an artist I should be able to put that my bio and that's not sugar coating it's just
04:59:13
Shane Smithpresenting it the way I want to be perceived it it would be like saying I'm not an assassin I'm a cleaner no that's totally different why I clean up
04:59:23
Shane Smithpeople's messes like the question so you're trying to sugarcoat it yeah yeah I asked him the question you want the non- negative connotation for the thing you're doing maybe because I'm Dutch and we very direct don't care why do you
04:59:35
Tamarathink that why is everything so oh my God I cannot offend people when I say that we have to come with a different name why well I don't know if this is answering your question but you're talking like there's the
04:59:46
Brian Atlassugar sugar baby sugar daddy escorting so I mean there's this idea of the euphemism treadmill so a term will be deemed defensive then the new term will replace it but after enough use that
04:59:58
Brian Atlasterm will now be deemed defensive so for example it probably started out as like whoring prostitution then it went into escorting and now it's sugar like being a sugar baby they're essentially the same thing
05:00:11
Brian Atlaswhy is there different name every time well I think escorting has a stigma now and prostitution had a stigma now escorting has a stigma now it's like I'm a sugar baby which has conceivably less
05:00:23
Tamarastigma but you're still essentially a [ __ ] yeah and I do not disagree with that or judge woman on I'm on sugar daddy side I don't care but we are more direct with it I do not understand why this has to be a different name every
05:00:36
Tamaratime why are you so ashamed for what you're doing if you're doing girl do it get get that money we don't care but why do we have to like sugar coat it like oh my God no no no I'm not escorting it's like sugar why if you wants sugar go to
05:00:49
Brian Atlasthe supermarket I don't get it yeah probably just maybe because I'm Dutch I do not get it it's probably it's probably uh just has to do with the uh whole stigma thing well a question for you would you oops cuz you're Dutch what the [ __ ] would you date gear Wilders
05:01:02
Brian Atlaswho's that do you have a picture you don't know gear do you have a picture Nick could you here I'll put in the picture I'll put I'll put in the private
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Brian Atlaschat um he has a as well oh my God he's Dutch really you don't know gear wers
05:01:18
Tamaraoh it's not gear it's geared but do you know Cherry bod I know he follow me search up Cherry bod Dutch politician who has led the right wing no no wait
05:01:29
Tamarawait wait put it put us on the other side no no no look up Cherry bod look up Cherry bod he follows me on Instagram as well well he's hot as [ __ ] is he a politician yeah we should have been
05:01:40
Tamaradoing a podcast together with the T Brothers as well but he's hot but K is selected as well to become the president of the Netherlands but now he doesn't because it's weird but he's very right
05:01:52
Tamarahe's very people label him as a racist stuff but we are Dutch so we are very racist humor as well we roast people for a living but we do not have that sort of feeling like oh my God you heard my
05:02:02
Brian Atlasfeelings we do not have that so I don't know I think he will never R what is the there's a specific thing with the way that Dutch have like worded insults it's
05:02:12
Tamaralike canker or wait uh conquering liar yeah we we we will curse you out with the worst illnesses you can imagine I will wish death upon you like
05:02:24
Tamarathe curse I will wish you cancer your mother cancer that your children die and we will just laugh about it we were like Ah that's so funny [ __ ] oh my God I'm going to read when I hit my elbow to
05:02:35
Brian Atlassomeone I was like cancer now that's weird I'm going to read three chats then we'll get to the next notes we have blest I'm a traditional trusting and loving man I love my wife and my two girlfriends so much I don't think I have
05:02:47
Tamarain my heart to cheat on them do you need another girlfriend I can be your sir that was worth the $100 you from also yeah do you need another girlfriend Banger joke all right we have old man
05:02:58
SPEAKER_03marine thanks we have old man marine oh can I have you read this uh P polygamy is illegal but there are many men and women out there with multiple marriages children with different people and
05:03:09
Brian Atlas[ __ ] anyone not much of a difference basically a polygamous Society old man marine good to see you back in the chat man thank you for the uh message really appreciate it thank you then we have warlord
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SPEAKER_0369 e doing only fans is oh I'll have you read it go ahead oh sorry doing only fans is prostitution by definition ladies I will only accept a woman that will bow I will not help you in the
05:03:33
Brian Atlaswoods unless you are ready for the woods I will be on R nobody's choosing the men everybody's choosing the Bears we're not going to be in the W no I choose the man well okay it'll came up I'll ask the question
05:03:45
Brian Atlasstarting with Isis so here's the scenario you are magically transported into the woods now you can choose to either have a random man also magically
05:03:57
Brian Atlastransported to the woods or a random bear magically transported to the woods and in the scenario you are going across paths with either the man or the bear I think can you sh your mic a little bit
05:04:08
Brian Atlasis there more is that all the and so there's no motivation why is the man in the woods it's just like you random man transported into the woods the the bear I would choose the bear you
05:04:20
Tamarapick the bear what about you the man okay what about you the man you will die if you fight a bear have you seen those things I don't want to fight which do you pick the man man the man you can scoot into the table a little bit sorry
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SPEAKER_03I'm average man but I've been in the woods with bears cuz I go hiking a lot and you just go make a noise and they're like oh that's big and scary and they R away so you'd pick the men or the bear I guess the average man like from random
05:04:45
Shane Smithmen off the street if I don't have I have to deal with it I had to deal with him it's random you don't know I mean likely I don't think they're going to hurt me what about you the man what do
05:04:55
Shane Smithyou pick yeah dude I hike I see we if you all go hiking right now the scenario plays out you'll walk by mini random men and everything's fine let's let's be
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Tamarahonest you men really with this question in the back of your mind as a man I think every man thinks like I could take on a bear oh for sure yeah just in the back of their mind it will be like I
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Isis Hongthink I can take down a bear I would try yeah exactly maybe a Blackberry a man for sure those things are so why do you pick bear be loud because at least with the
05:05:27
Brian Atlasbear they'll just kill me uh okay I get the point of so the question then um I don't want to face the consequence with the men but so
05:05:38
Brian Atlasyou're doing a risk assessment you're well yeah not all men would me but the risk is High Enough by picking a man that I think I'm more likely to be attacked by the man as compared to the
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Isis Hongbear no not so much I think there's a higher likelihood and pro like probability that there the man won't hurt me and it's safer than the bear
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Isis Honghowever in the case that the man is a worst man and a bad man a man like I mentioned in the past he will be afraid of you that man will be so afraid of you
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Isis Hongoh my God the worst he can do is a thousand times worse than what a fair could do to me so I for me personally of course some people this is gambling problem right some people want to do
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Isis Hongwith go with the higher probability I want to go with the m better death so I bears eat you while you're still alive but you know what I think like I will
05:06:33
Isis Hongkill myself you know I can kill myself and I but if you are tied up by a man and you know I don't want to violate anything I you cannot you cannot you know the man in
05:06:44
Brian Atlasthe woods with you is Snidely Whiplash he's going to tie you up and train track that's all I'm saying probability game so that's my choice well so then what percentage of men do you think would be
05:06:55
Brian Atlasinclined to uh attack you or victimize you in some way I don't know but that's what we're asking so you're doing a risk assessment I don't know 50% 40% question is meant to make a
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SPEAKER_03point I think like realistically like he said you go hiking in the woods I go hiking a lot um like you cross a lot of random men and you're just like you're you're good I'm I'm not dead but the thing is like it's meant to make a point
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SPEAKER_03that like even a cruel animal that will eat you while you're alive will still not like do some of the assault type things that like men yes kind of subject
05:07:29
Brian Atlassome to if I even if I'll just go ahead and Grant that yeah there there are very few monstrous men out there uh but the
05:07:39
Brian Atlasthe question is then um given this you're willing to you'd rather be with a bear than in all likelihood if you just select a random
05:07:52
Brian Atlasman out of the population totally harmless would never hurt you would probably even help you in some sort of forest survival situation there's a woman that tied herself to the top of
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Isis Hongtree for 3 months uh and that's after was everybody was after her there's policemen and everything so in this inar if there's a bear I can just live on the trees and I can survive that but if
05:08:14
Shane Smiththere's a man next to me and I'm on a tree that man can get me how do you tell yourself are so good at climbing by the way I just want to say that real quick they super climb so much I've been in a tree sand and had a bear come up and
05:08:27
Isis Honglike how how do you do that I do not hike so I do not know that like bear climb the tree but I feel like in a forest you could find like a safe spot but when you have a human intelligence to trace your
05:08:39
Isis Hongsteps is a higher likelihood especially bad very wish vicious man can be very smart too you know what
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Shane Smithabout what about like you hang out with a what if you hang out with a random man and then take him home would you rather take the random man home at night or a bear like what's more likely to happen
05:09:03
SPEAKER_03cuz he's a stranger you're having a one night stand how are you any safer than everything exists in the context very like Sensational it's just meant to kind of like I mean it it the question is not like I feel like literal almost do you
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SPEAKER_03know what I mean I think most people I think most people like it's like well realistically yeah but I get the point that they're trying to make when they ask they're just afraid of sexual assault things exact men sexual assault
05:09:26
Tamaraplease don't be naive a bear will not do that to you like there's a lot more than sexual assault talking further right so you'd rather be dead your a little bit
05:09:37
Shane Smithwell they could kill you at the end think all of your exp you're so right human beings are so much more cruel than any animal could be we're capable of wild horrible things every one of us went to school we've read history we
05:09:49
Shane Smithknow how bad people can be the con the ideas that women very smugly want to say that they feel safer in the forest with a bear which just seems intellectually
05:10:01
Shane Smithinconsistent because almost all women are alone with men very often and if I put you in a room with a bear like jackass style you would lose your mind like I said exist in the context if I'm
05:10:12
Isis Honggoing out partying I'm conversing with this person I ass this person has friends I assume he's a functioning social member but in the wood when there's a likelihood of you running into
05:10:23
Shane Smitha psychopath you don't know and you're trapped together so it's like in CL right from the bottom of my heart I truly believe that the chances of a man hiking being more normal than a
05:10:35
Isis Hongguy at like a party or a bar is so much I'm not talking about people what he question is he's dropping a random man so like anybody on this words have equal probability however in a bar it's more
05:10:48
Tamaralikely that people who are not psychopath have friends and talking to you like a normal person this about prob you know a lot of psycho killers and stuff are just the most friendly nice neighbors good in the neighborhood have
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Isis Honga lot of friends don't you think there would be more dangerous men in a party setting rather than going on a hike though but that's what I I'm saying I I I think hiking men there would be danger and party men have danger too what you
05:11:11
Isis Hongsaid is correct but I'm saying that the question didn't ask you hiking and you running into a hiking man and rest you are dropping a random man you Lo in the
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Isis Hongwoods too a random man so like you you are a bad person or good good man or bad man is equal likely you know the problem but if you get lost in the woods it is a random man that rescues you that's true
05:11:33
Isis Hongwell I mean he is random you don't know him he's a stranger not always guess situation is different it's like you're trapped in an island there's nobody rescue or whatever it's different situation it's not hiking okay all right
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SPEAKER_03I feel like it gets kind of misinterpreted like I don't think it's it's very much like not literal because of course like a random man is you know
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SPEAKER_03a bear is probably more likely to kill you um just based on what yeah it happened a couple months
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SPEAKER_03ago here in California right yeah so it's yeah it's more I feel about like there are genuinely women
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SPEAKER_03that that feel that way like because they've just had awful personal experiences and it's usually just like it's not like usually a bunch of men
05:12:28
Shane Smithit's usually like one man can make you answer it that way it's interesting that the question is framed in such a way that like kind of tries to belittle men
05:12:38
Shane Smithor make us feel like we're bad when you're reaching out to like Express how you've been hurt and how scary men are to you and you're doing it in a way that
05:12:48
Shane Smithantagonizes men instead of a way that like makes men understand you and want to be better yeah I that's the whole problem with the internet discourse around men and women it's like you don't have to try and dunk on us over a bear
05:13:01
Shane Smithyou could just say hey a lot of men really scare me and I wouldn't want to be alone with one and I I want you to be that all the time we say that yeah you guys don't listen it's not I just think it's sexist
05:13:11
Isis Hongto be honest I think it's inflamatory every single person I know in their life a lot of people didn't give their first time away consensually and it's always pushed and the line is
05:13:23
Isis Hongreally blurry because you don't know what's true was not because when you say no they keep you know aren't you the one hopping men in clubs huh I don't hop on men Club speak for yourself you're
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Isis Hongdancing I mean you did describe earlier like kissing someone in your life and so I inferred that he was into it I started gring all over I see something sexual assault as well I thought you said hop
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Isis Hongon man no I'm telling you like we're making out and makes sense that's the next logical step because you so in your mind you made it into something dirty you just said we were making out it was the next logical step that I grabb his
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Isis Hongdick so couldn't a guy say the same thing we're making out scared he was she's grabing my because when I move my hand next to his thigh he put his hand on me to move
05:14:10
Isis Hongcloser to the penis and when someone when I don't want someone when they touch my shoulder I would it's obvious these signs are obvious and you guys don't listen I don't think consent always has to be like hey let's check
05:14:22
Brian Atlasthe yes or no box like I think that it's kind of like um I mean there's like a Nuance to it yeah exactly and you're just saying like black and white okay so anyways um I do think though it is
05:14:33
Brian Atlasinteresting because I'll grantee you that plenty of women have had poor experiences with some men yeah but like the overwhelming majority of men are
05:14:44
SPEAKER_03totally safe it's not like allowing one bad experience from somebody to soil a whole group of people which
05:14:55
SPEAKER_03sounds you know like sexism racism like any of that you know when women talk about like their issues with men and like assault they're usually not targeting the men that are not doing it but men always feel attacked can I ask a
05:15:07
Tamaraquestion if you put the questioning the other way around you're dropped in the forest with a bear and another woman you do not know because a lot of women are also Psychopathic Killers narcissist and
05:15:19
Tamaraeverything would you still choose the bear of is it sexist I mean because you will probably go to the women right because a woman is not that dangerous as a man you can answer that goe if you want well I think that like like I said
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SPEAKER_03like logically like I would pick the the man cuz it's a random lady she's probably not going to do that but like the question the point of the question is to make a like like make a point and I think that you switch it to a woman I
05:15:41
Brian Atlasstill would say the same thing but so instead of just saying like cuz Okay if for example uh 90% of men I don't know the actual number probably more than 90%
05:15:53
Brian Atlas95% who knows the number let's just say it's 90% of men totally harmless would never hurt a woman whatever I don't think that I feel like you think it's more I think I think a lot of men like I
05:16:04
SPEAKER_03don't I also like I mean a lot of women are victims and a lot of men are victims but like I most of the women I know have been a victim to some kind of thing I don't know many men that would say that but I think as a woman we talk about it
05:16:17
Tamarabecause want to help other women and I think a lot of men get assaulted as well hurt or in abusing relationship The Killing rate of men are much higher than women so I think men do not speak about
05:16:28
SPEAKER_03it so we do not know the exact numbers of how bad woman can be I think we as a woman can be horrible yeah yes but why do men afraid to talk about it because of the patriarchy because it's not I
05:16:40
Tamaradon't think it's the patriarchy it is it's because men are who is shaming these men saying oh you should have like that you should have it's the that a lot of men get raped assault they the numbers that men are
05:16:53
Brian Atlaskilling us are so much higher than women why do you think that is men I don't like so you think that there's like men broadly speaking are like kind of fine with I've heard this term there that
05:17:04
SPEAKER_03there's a grape culture is that what you're talking about um not really but I mean I do I do think no I don't I don't I don't know I don't think it's I think that it happens a lot like very often
05:17:16
SPEAKER_03like people do experience things like that um I would say like if it's brought to the attention people usually like average person is probably like hey that's not okay but like it I feel like it does happen a lot and people are
05:17:29
SPEAKER_03likely to try to silence a woman say oh she want like like I don't know like Epstein or like any kind of famous person or like all these different cases you know what I mean like they like likely to say oh the woman just wants
05:17:40
Isis Hongattention the woman like is trying like shut her down yeah they they say she wanted to get something out of this like that's what the J yeah I think that but I do think that a lot of the time men do
05:17:52
SPEAKER_03experience the same issues as women they're less likely to talk about it because people will shame them and that's why they don't talk about it the same way I think there's a lot more women that yes I definitely for sure
05:18:02
Brian Atlasthink it's a lot more women um that that experience it but statistic like that doesn't make yeah and there's plenty of of men who get falsely accused of these sort of
05:18:14
Isis Hongthings and it absolutely ruins their lives shit's insane I don't more women's lives are ruined by men in terms of this than men's lives more
05:18:26
Shane Smithproportionately like I I mean I really don't think false accusations like I mean you really don't think what I don't think they're that that often they're don't they're not super common pry common it also affects
05:18:38
Shane Smithminority communi much more than white communities some when people are like uh do you know Patrice O'Neil yeah I do so Patrice O'Neil super famous comedian one
05:18:48
Brian Atlasof the funniest comedians ever rip Patrice O'Neil so he um he dated the white woman or hooked up with a wi white woman and there was like some component
05:18:58
Brian Atlasof judgment from her peer group this was probably back in the 80s or 90s that she hooked up with a black guy and in
05:19:07
Brian Atlasinstead of just dealing with the regret she falsely accused him of sa and he I think he went to jail and how do they know it's false how do you know that these men
05:19:20
Brian Atlasactually essay because why would I lie about that why would hold on why would you lie about this yes why there's a lot yeah there's a lot people lie about all kinds women murder people has a girl ever lied about you
05:19:34
Brian Atlashas a girl ever made up some [ __ ] about you yes but this is a serious accusation this is not lie I agree women lie all the time about this women lie about who got them pregnant women do lie but please tell me
05:19:46
Brian Atlaswhy someone would what are you do you know how much you have to do you know how much you stand to gain from a lie he get so much hate and these women they get pressured with like lawsuits and all this insane [ __ ] when they what do you
05:19:58
SPEAKER_03mean they get victim points they get victim points this is not real so many women wants to be victim get to indulge in their victim identity it's literally like why like they get so quickly and people hate when
05:20:10
SPEAKER_08they literally don't get that's your perspective as a one of those like oh man literally admitted and bragged about sa on camera 90 minutes ago and is now backing off it
05:20:22
SPEAKER_08straight to [ __ ] jail they're not sending their best folks also chick next to Pink has a tummy ache oh oh also I was going to say is that like calling me
05:20:33
Brian Atlasfat no no no no maybe he's talking about like a face you're making something I don't know RBF um yeah Giovani thank you for the TTS okay so you're about to call me a men's rights activist what would
05:20:47
Brian Atlasactually be wrong with being a men's rights there's nothing wrong with that but the thing is a lot of these men they like so yeah I stand up for men who are falsely accused you should too as a woman because women hold on but women
05:20:58
Brian Atlaswho make false accusations discredit women who actually are victims of these things it makes it harder it makes it harder for them to get justice but thing
05:21:08
Brian Atlasis you can so I think uh sa is a [ __ ] terrible crime awful crime they should be prosecuted to the full fullest extent
05:21:18
Brian Atlasof the law but also women will make false accusations too and that this is an issue for men that needs to be addressed but you know what is is like really ridiculous whenever a woman brings up any kind of sexual assault or
05:21:30
SPEAKER_03any kind of anything like that men immediately go instead of being like Oh that's really bad they go what about men what about men shut up [ __ ] what about men are you talking about real real life I kind of second that in my
05:21:42
SPEAKER_08experience men kind of get really really defensive eny donated $200 Trevor Bower the baseball player
05:21:50
Isis Hongfalsely accused of sa major recent case got kicked out of the MLB woman absolutely do this stuff all the time don't say all the time okay then you L
05:22:01
Isis Hongfive assault right now five sexual assault men that were wrongly accused I can I can say 10 I can say
05:22:10
SPEAKER_03Trevor Bower Patrice O'Neal there was um I think Kobe was falsely accused The Jackson 5
05:22:21
Brian Atlasover or the Central Park 5 weren't they C falsely accused here's a good one uh who is that
05:22:31
Brian Atlasum wait wait the hold on uh oh man this was like in the like she's been trying to talk wait wait um it like bit essentially started the
05:22:40
Brian AtlasCivil Rights Lou huh no what oh you saidil it was this EMT till EMT till this was a 14-year-old boy and I guess
05:22:52
Brian Atlashe was going to a gas station or something and he made a comment towards a white woman this is in the Deep South she goes and tells her family that
05:23:01
Brian Atlasthis 14-year-old boy said something kind of whatever hit on her whatever spoke to her did didn't touch her didn't neesse her just spoke said something that uh I
05:23:14
Brian Atlasguess there's a RAC there's racism component to this too so she tells this lie who knows why and then her family
05:23:22
Brian Atlaslynches him kills him beats him to a pulp 14-year-old boy gets lynched and then on her deathbed confesses that it
05:23:32
Isis Hongwas all a lie that is a very sad story I'm it's very unfortunate it happened happen but you keep listing individual cases where men were wrongly accused and
05:23:43
Isis Hongthen women women women were you ask me to give you you asked me to give you a list and then and then like the thing is but I can list hundreds of women who are sexually assaulted so if we are weighing
05:23:55
Brian Atlasthe women are hurt so much more there's a few cases of men getting like that also in both of these I'm not trying to like do a tit Fort comparison hold on I'm not trying to do a tit fortat
05:24:06
Brian Atlascomparison here but like I have not committed to memory like every single I've heard of hundreds of instances of men who've been falsely accused hundreds of instances I don't commit them to
05:24:18
SPEAKER_03Memory but like if I speak yeah go ahead oh well I was going to say I just feel like there's a difference when you're talking about sa you're saying it's such
05:24:30
SPEAKER_03a small amount of men and it's just like irrational that women would be choosing the bear um or like making that point
05:24:39
SPEAKER_03but but you're so quick to say false accusations happen all the time they do yeah well I would just say like the
05:24:48
SPEAKER_03numbers they're either comparable or rape must be higher because it's a more common crime it's a more common crime and like like it's still in
05:25:01
Brian Atlassorry sta well they've done there's been various analysis and studies on this they typically put the rate of false accusations anywhere from 8% to 45% in
05:25:13
Brian Atlassome studies I don't really I don't know about fine you don't have to believe it but those are some of the studies that been done but like an agreed upon number is 8% okay well listen so I've
05:25:23
SPEAKER_03experienced a lot of really bad stuff in my lifetime and the man got free nothing happened to him he's has a whole girlfriend did you go to the police no but I was a child and these men get away
05:25:34
Brian Atlaswith it that's hor okay well I mean I obviously object to try abuse like I'm not saying that this stuff doesn't happen but we're talking this is all within the context of the conversation
05:25:46
SPEAKER_03and you guys are saying well the the risk is so so significant no it's not of sa what do you mean it's not significant
05:25:55
SPEAKER_03like we've all pretty much like the the statistics like we know it's not it's not likely to happen it's not as likely
05:26:04
SPEAKER_03it's the women have a an emotional you know emotional damage from men and I have to wrap up on the bear thing did you have something on this I know if I
05:26:15
Brian Atlasdon't even remember anymore well hold on so I'm I got to move on from this but so I guess where I'm going with all this is my view is to say be it's essentially
05:26:27
Brian Atlasyou're just being sexist towards men because if I were to give you a scenario if we just change it to would you rather be in the forest with a BL and well met
05:26:37
SPEAKER_08l paladins donated $200 and2 proof that women like constantly go ahead wasw you just said you could name
05:26:46
SPEAKER_08one hundreds of women go ahead we are waiting you've currently named Zero lie some more you just lied to win an
05:26:55
Brian Atlasargument she's behind the scenes she heard it um one sec so uh anyways it's not really like I'm not trying to do like a competition she asked me to name
05:27:05
Brian Atlassome I named a couple I have this is not like my primary talking point here um in fact it rarely comes up on the show but came up tonight um I've heard from I've
05:27:16
Brian Atlasheard so many stories especially in college this is crazy how they handle it in college title 9 these men are absolutely just like losing their
05:27:25
Brian Atlascollege careers over like dubious accusations um in any case uh look if genuinely happens I think these men ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law but I also believe in
05:27:36
Brian Atlasinnocent until proven guilty and uh it very much seems when it comes to these specific kinds of accusations innocent until proven guilty is totally
05:27:45
Brian Atlasthrown out the window so I do just have to say on this bare thing so you I'll grant that you've had bad experiences with men but to then go ahead and just
05:27:56
Brian Atlashave this sort of General bias against men is like well as long as you just say you're sexist okay you'll have to also say for example if we put a black man in
05:28:07
Brian Atlasthis sit situation would you rather be in the forest with a uh black man or a bear and you pick bear you're going to have to be racist if no if if that was
05:28:17
SPEAKER_03actually true that that people like had a reason to be threatened by another race of people then it would be true but women are physically like women have a lot of reasons let me ask you a question
05:28:29
Brian Atlasso let's say I had a bad experience with a black man and then from there on out I held a bias against all black black men I was fearful of them I was scared they were going to attack me I would like get
05:28:43
SPEAKER_03away from them I wouldn't associate with them wouldn't be friends with them wouldn't do business with them whatever it is would that be racist um if I if you hate if you hate another race of people if you think
05:28:55
SPEAKER_03they're inferior then that is racist so if that's if that's what you're describing then yeah is it what I'm describing what uh you said like you
05:29:04
Brian Atlasavoid okay I'll make it really simple if somebody has one negative experience with a black person and because of that one negative experience they then um
05:29:16
Brian Atlasthey're scared of black people in general is that racist um yeah I would say that's racist okay so then it's sexist for women who have had one bad experience with men just not one okay
05:29:27
SPEAKER_03fine three it's like no but I don't think you understand that women experience like like small Cuts Like like you know death by a thous Cuts it's
05:29:38
SPEAKER_03like always something that just never understand like men can never understand how how women like yeah you get a lot of creepy attention from men we get it no you
05:29:51
SPEAKER_03actually don't because you're not a woman and you haven't grown up as as a girl and like the amount of like men that will like look at you when you're a child like what the [ __ ] it's genuinely
05:30:03
Brian Atlaswait no no no hold on actually actually if you look at what's going on in the school system you have a bunch of women who are essaying underage children male children are news too but there's a lot
05:30:14
Brian Atlasmore male Predators oh no there's way more female teachers there's way more female teachers there's way more female teachers foring children can I still say
05:30:26
Tamarasomething go ahead all right can I say something because it's quite a fiery Topic at the moment first I want to start it's horrible what happened to you I hope later in life they still get them
05:30:38
TamaraI think the system law system will get there eventually so I hope you get the closure you need some eventually to start off uh I'm studying law and I see
05:30:48
Tamaraa lot of Twisted stories and a lot of those stories in the courtroom are about falsely accused men women that go out with fake idas fake everything and don't
05:31:01
Tamarado not say that every woman does that I just say it happens uh I think that's wrong I think that's very wrong as well I think a lot of men do not speak out
05:31:11
Tamarabecause of shame I think if as a woman we have something happening to us we do not always speak out right away that's why you have stories like a year later or two years later that you finally have
05:31:22
Tamarathe courage to speak about what happened to you and you are very brave if you finally do with men is the same thing men are not monsters they have feelings sometimes as well takes time for men to
05:31:33
Tamaraspeak out I think that's why the numbers aren't there yet and I think also we live in a time it's very hard to be a man sometimes because if you give a compliment in this time of a super one
05:31:44
Tamaralike hey you smell very nice it's like oh my God don't talk to me I have a boyfriend that's sexual assult I think the time we are living in is very confusing for both parts we want
05:31:55
Tamarato have boundaries want to be respectful to ourselves but in the same time it's very hard to be human and talk like hey girl you look nice today it's like oh my God why you talk to me that do you like
05:32:07
Tamarasexual ize me no girl just being honest you look great today you know it's very hard sometimes to be a man as well so I think we have to look at both ways men
05:32:19
Tamaraare not all monsters I see grown as men cry about everything and stuff so and the same as woman calm
05:32:27
SPEAKER_03down I think the numbers aren't there yet because men are so ashamed so so ashamed I think a man looks at himself and thinks of himself as less of a man
05:32:40
Tamarafor something like that to happen and there's a very as a woman we do as well right we are so ashamed when something happen us our Womanhood is taking away we do not feel as a woman anymore think about it in your head a man would feel
05:32:51
Tamaraprobably the same like damn I just froze we we froze when something some people freeze when something happens to you like why would I let that happen to me I just laid there and didn't do [ __ ]
05:33:03
Tamarabecause you froze you're scared it's like people react that way some men have the same response that's what I see in the courtroom they just freeze they just freeze old man marine donated
05:33:14
SPEAKER_08$200 where's the video of the man saving the women from drowning would you rather swim with sharks or be picked up by a random man in a boat okay who picks
05:33:24
Brian Atlasshark who would rather be in the ocean with a shark than a random man in a boat no I'm not going to pick shark okay uh are so scary they just defeated the
05:33:35
Brian Atlaswhole question old uh old Marine thank you for the message we have another one coming in here and then we have two more chats stinky de magic poo it's known fact is so sociology circles that women abuse the Elder and children more
05:33:48
Brian Atlasfrequently than men it's just never talked about because it's faux PA to present anything female in poor light and then there is something kind of related to the bear thing here um for
05:33:59
Brian Atlasexample like women commit the vast majority of uh neontide so if we use the same logic in the man versus bear thing could could we conclude that it's safer
05:34:09
Brian Atlasto entrust a baby with a bear than the baby's own mother anyways I don't know that came to mind we have two chats we have oh
05:34:20
Shane Smiththere's another one can you read this one drop your dases number no Eucharist I'll read it because it's about me Shane talking about receiving nudes and hooking up drop your dases number no
05:34:31
Shane SmithEucharist for you see you at confession or your Exorcist 300 hail Mar's at least firstly I genuinely need to go to conven I am not a perfect Catholic and I'm a new Catholic and it's very hard to meet the expectations and I will try for the
05:34:43
Shane Smithrest of my life and fail probably a lot secondly um I'm talking about the past I I was secular for 36 years man give me a break here and we have a LW
05:34:54
Brian Atlaspaladins wasw needs to stay away from casinos random man does not mean equality likely to hurt you has not hurt you that isn't what random means unless
05:35:03
Brian Atlasyou think 50% of men are grap pers random man does not mean equally likely to hurt you who who's that I think her
05:35:14
SPEAKER_03maybe thank you for that uh pachy can I have you read these sure 25 to 30% of DNA tests in Family Court turn out to be the father is not the husband that's
05:35:26
Isis Hongalso Fair too I see this a lot in the courtroom I also see this a lot it's very sad because if it gets to Family Court something must have happened if they took a DNA test some there must be like suspicion so in that like
05:35:38
Isis Hongdenominator is just a larger group of people that are you know have a higher chance of adultery so it's like that's not accurate representation of the world
05:35:47
Tamarabut if a man cheats on his wife he is horrible but if a woman cheat on point all right uh we have JJ mad can you read this
05:35:57
SPEAKER_03one sorry ADHD The Woman versus bear question is literally the smoking I can't say that for why women
05:36:07
Brian Atlasshould never have the right to vote damn okay all right there you go thank you JJ mad um appreciate it bro appreciate it thank you for the Super Chat I think
05:36:18
Brian Atlaswomen should be allowed to vote but they should also be drafted so um so there you have it uh back to the not very funny something I wanted to say about that back back to the notes Here uh
05:36:29
Brian Atlasgoing back to viven you said you had hosts you had disagreements uh on abortion I thought you were I thought Andrew was going to be here and he's like a lot more political so okay well
05:36:42
SPEAKER_03I'll like oh okay I don't know what you're sure Andrew's pro life yeah okay what's your uh pro-choice position then
05:36:49
SPEAKER_03so my position is if the baby could be um or fetus whatever you want to call it could be removed from the woman's body
05:37:02
SPEAKER_03and still survive then I think you should not have an abortion but otherwise I think if you if the B if
05:37:10
SPEAKER_03the fetus baby needs to like be in this in here to survive sorry I would to
05:37:21
Shane Smithsurvive I would say that that is bodily autonomy sure well so it's sorry Brian if it's incubating in a woman then it
05:37:30
Shane Smithdoesn't deserve to live if it's incubating in a machine it does deserve to live I don't think that it's at a I
05:37:40
SPEAKER_03think I do like kind of compare like a very early stage fetus to like a bug like it probably has the same amount of brain cells and ability to like survive
05:37:52
Brian Atlaslike we don't we don't prosecute for killing bugs I just don't okay well I agree um just before we get into it and we won't linger too long on the abortion
05:38:02
Maddietopic but just shove hands who's pro-choice pro-choice pro life wait but you also raised it's cuz
05:38:13
Maddielike yeah in a perfect world it'd be great if we could be pro-life you know what I mean but we don't live in a perfect world so if you illegalize it people just do stupid stuff like hurt themselves so they don't have to have a baby it's ridiculous I get her point
05:38:25
Tamarabecause I think if you're like sexually assaulted and you're underage and everything like that and you're also going to have a baby with it it's oh
05:38:33
Tamarathat's hard H but I'm also very Pro life okay the baby doesn't not matter because it was raped though I think if
05:38:43
Tamarait's like underr and you're raped and everything you not baby careful guys that's true but you get my point of view like it's hard I think it's the woman's
05:38:53
TamaraChoice them what she wanted to do but in the same I'm very Pro lifee it's not her I'm like in between at the moment well but so I mean who show hands who's pro-choice again I don't know I'm okay
05:39:05
Brian Atlaswell I guess on that thing really quick um the thing is with I guess the pro-choice thing I would suspect that if people who are pro-life actually allow
05:39:15
Brian Atlasto cut out for well okay most of them are fine with like mother's life is at risk you can get an abortion um but then if they were like okay in the case of like incest or sa under those
05:39:27
Brian Atlascircumstances that you can I don't think they would make that compromise though like because they would still want abortion rights for women who just eh don't really feel like it but as a man if you are very very pro- life um and
05:39:41
Tamarathere's nothing wrong with that I do not disagree would you also play Child Support when it's still an infant because it's alive right would you also pay that nine months of Child Support