Men INSECURE About Body Count?! NYC Gold Digger Has Roster Of SIMPS?! | Dating Talk #187

Date: 2024-08-14

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

TTamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)>

VVivian (DT187)>

AAlexa (DT187)>

MMaddie (DT187)>

DDominica (DT187)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Maddie(guest)

SPEAKER_03(guest)

SPEAKER_05Isis Hong(guest)

SPEAKER_08(audience)

SPEAKER_10Lauren Kofi(guest)

SPEAKER_11Shane Smith(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Tamara(guest)

Key Moments

IntroJaspachy introduces herself: 25yo Las Vegas content creator/OnlyFans

“Hi guys I'm just pachy I'm 25 I currently live in Las Vegas Nevada and I'm a full-time content creator streamer and I do only fan.”

IntroIsis Hong introduces herself: 27yo NYC software engineer/TikToker, born China, Korean parents

“Hi my name is Isis ... I'm 27 ... I do TikTok my username is Isis Hong ... I'm also a software engineer. I got a degree in Biochemistry and computer science. Born in China (Korean parents), moved to Seattle at 15, college at 16.”

IntroTamara introduces herself: Dutch Jessica Rabbit, 28, Netherlands, content creator/student

“Hi my name is Tamara better known as the Dutch Jessica Rabbit I'm from the Netherlands ... I'm 28 I'm an adult industry content creator and I'm also a student studying legal administration.”

IntroLauren Kofi introduces herself: 30yo singer-songwriter/model/actress, Nottingham/London, Blue Therapy

“I'm Lauren Kofi I'm a singer songwriter model and actress ... from Nottingham but I live in London age 30. Was on Blue Therapy.”

IntroShane Smith introduces himself: 37yo Utah comedian, ex-motorcycle club member

“I'm Shane Smith I'm 37 I'm from Utah and I'm a comedian. Grew up with stepfather in motorcycle club, got full sleeves and neck tattoos at 18. I am out.”

Key MomentJaspachy reveals she married at 18, divorced Marine husband after 5 years; he cheated with her best friend

“I am single ... my longest relationship was 5 years ... I got married at 18 out of high school. He said he didn't love me while we were married ... there was infidelity ... he cheated with my best friend.”

Key MomentTamara reveals she had labiaplasty; describes them as extremely large, painful, and brought photos

“I got [labiaplasty] ... they were dead big they removed on each side ... it looks like a dick when I wore a bikini that is how big they were ... I have pictures.”

Key MomentIsis argues Brian is selfish for not wanting marriage since he can get all benefits without it

“If you're selfish and can't convince you to do something unless there's a value I'm providing ... fundamentally if you're selfish you can't be convinced... the only way is if she's a billionaire.”

QuoteBrian states the only scenario where he'd get married: if she's a billionaire

“Yeah that's the scenario in which I'll get married ... if she's a billionaire I will marry her.”

Key MomentSelf-rating round: guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7s). Isis: 6. Jaspachy: 10. Lauren: 8-10. Dominica: 5. Maddie: 5. Brian: 5.

“Starting with Isis what... six. [SPEAKER_03]: five in the US two in European countries... six. [Lauren/SPEAKER_10]: in Texas I'm an eight but in California a six... I'm a 10 sometimes as a model. Brian: five.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she asked a man for a $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition for second date; he complied; later had threesome with him and his girlfriend

“He said what designer do you like I said I like Tiffany but I don't like silver ... Buy me something ... about $2,500 ... and that was my first and only threesome — with him and his girlfriend, on my birthday.”

ControversyBrian calls Isis a "certified gold digger" after learning about bracelet demand and roster behavior

“She is a certified gold digger. She grabs dude's dicks within minutes of meeting them but she claims to have a low body count. It doesn't really add up.”

Key MomentBody count round: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputes); SPEAKER_03 mix: 3 and <10; Shane declines (>11)

“Jaspachy: probably like 30ish which is very low for somebody in that ... does porn ... four of those are from this week. Isis: less than 10. [SPEAKER_03]: less than 10 / three. Shane: 11 ... I won't be saying [exact number] at all.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she measured men's penis size on first dates; had 9-inch experience; doesn't need men for orgasms

“I always know [the size] because I measure it ... I don't want men to fool me. He was 9 [inches] ... for someone so handsome he's really not good at sex. If he can't get me off I have my vibrator.”

QuoteIsis TikTok video read aloud: viral "if you wanted to you would" video about staying with wrong partners

“It's not that if he wanted to he would, it's that if you wanted to you would. If you wanted to find a man that treats you the way you want to be treated you would. The problem was never them, it has always been you.”

QuoteShane says he'd like to return for a deeper conversation about the porn industry

“I'd love to. I'd like to... I would love to talk more about the porn industry like in a fair question that I'm always doing.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and announcements

Brian Atlas opens the show, standard platform announcements: Streamlabs, Twitch, merch, Discord, TTS triggers, BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit joke.

Guest introductions (round 1) — name, age, location, occupation

All guests introduce themselves in order: Jaspachy (25, Las Vegas, content creator/OnlyFans), Isis Hong (27, NYC, software engineer/TikToker), Tamara (28, Netherlands, content creator/student), Vivian (18, Orinda CA, music intern), Lucy (19, LA, student), Alexa (21, Baltimore, OnlyFans/student), Maddie (27, Dallas, deaf thrift store), Lauren Kofi (30, London, singer/model/actress), Shane Smith (37, Utah, comedian), Dominica (22, LA, cosmetology student). Extended discussion of Tamara's Netherlands background, red light district school trips, labiaplasty.

Relationship status round

Brian asks each guest current relationship status, longest relationship, how long single. Jaspachy: single 2.5yr, divorced Marine husband (cheated with best friend), now celibate. Isis: casually seeing someone ~2-3 months, not yet had sex with him. Tamara: single (brief 2-month thing earlier); does not do one-night stands. Vivian: single ~9 months, on-and-off guy for 7 months. Lucy: single. Alexa: single ~1.5yr (ex had Grindr + another girlfriend). Maddie: relationship 1yr 2mo. Lauren: single 1+ year. Shane: married October prior. Dominica: single ~4 months.

Tamara's labiaplasty and OnlyFans discussion

Tamara shares she had a labiaplasty (labia were extremely large, caused pain). Brought photos. Brian's BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit discussed. Shane defends all body types. Discussion of Tamara continuing OnlyFans until financially stable; Shane challenges whether she will find traditional man while doing adult content.

Marriage debate — should men get married?

Extended panel discussion on whether men should get married. Brian lays out financial/legal risks (prenup limitations, community property, divorce attorney costs). Guests attempt to convince Brian. Isis argues Brian is selfish; Brian says he would marry a female billionaire. Tamara argues marriage is about love and commitment, not fear of cheating. Jaspachy argues risks go both ways; references her military marriage experience. Discussion of taking husband's last name — split opinions.

Feminist/patriarchy questions

Quick round: who considers themselves a feminist? (none raised hands). Brief discussion of patriarchy in context of marriage traditions.

Self-rating round (looks 1-10, no 7s)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (no 7s allowed), starting with Isis. Isis: 6. Jaspachy: rated herself 10 (oscillating). Lauren: 8-10 (model). Dominica: 5 in US, 2 in Europe. Maddie: 5. Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: 5-6. Brian: 5. Extended tangent on Jaspachy's 10 self-rating and whether she's the most attractive at table.

Will you look better in 10 years?

Brian asks each guest if they'll be more attractive in 10 years. Isis: yes to all ages until death. Tamara: yes at 38, maybe 48, no after 58. Lauren: same/slightly better for a few years then decline. Dominica: better at 32, then plateau. Brian gave himself 5/10; Shane says he was better looking when younger.

Musical chairs / panel reshuffle

Brief segment: chairs rearranged when Isis moves or leaves briefly. Show notes section begins.

Height preferences

Brian asks each guest: how tall are you and minimum height for a partner? Isis: 5'3", used to require 6ft but now dating shorter man. Tamara: wears heels, doesn't judge height if he has dominant energy. Multiple guests: 5'2-5'3" heights, minimum ~4'11 to 5'6". Shane: doesn't care about height in a partner. Brian: 5'7".

Pre-show notes: Isis Hong deep-dive

Brian reviews Isis's Instagram and TikToks. Isis's request for $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition of second date — she got it, and later had a threesome with him and his girlfriend (her only threesome). Panel debates whether this is sex work. Discussion of Isis's roster period (a first date every day for 2+ months). Brian calls her a certified gold digger; Isis defends authenticity. Isis outed her brother as gay on show (name: Tony). She mentions $200k/year income requirement for men.

Tiffany bracelet / gold-digger / sex-work debate

Panel debates whether Isis getting a $2,500 bracelet from a date constitutes sex work. Tamara says world is transactional. Isis denies it was sex work (sex came much later). Shane argues it's similar to sex work by analogy. Discussion of women having easy mode dating vs men's difficulty.

Body count discussion — does it matter?

Extended panel discussion on body count. Does it matter for relationships? Brian says men prefer lower body count. Shane: high body count affects how people want to date you (not inherent worth). Female guests push back — shame vs double standard. Body counts revealed: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputed); Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: "less than 10" and "3." Shane: declined, >11.

Insecurity about body count — men's perspective

Brian argues it's not insecurity to prefer low body count partners. Jaspachy accuses Brian of shaming women. Shane notes no man has ever wished his girlfriend had more partners. Discussion of hookup culture and whether it benefits women. Alexa discussion of ex-boyfriend (bisexual, had another girlfriend).

Adult content industry and relationships

Panel discusses whether women who do OnlyFans can be in monogamous relationships. Jaspachy says filming is professional, not intimate — boyfriend is consensual. Shane challenges what "commitment" means if partner films with others. Tamara adds perspective from her experience in adult content. Brian: girlfriend who does porn = she's cheating on him if he can't also see others.

Child support, abortion rights, and bodily autonomy

Brian frames asymmetry: women can get abortions, men always pay child support. Should men have legal paternal surrender (opt out of child support)? Extended back-and-forth with SPEAKER_03 guests. Tamara: Netherlands requires both men and women to register for potential draft. Isis argues forced military conscription is worse than abortion bans. Panel mostly agrees women should be drafted if they want equality.

TikTok reaction: Isis Show Season 1 and 2

Brian plays and reacts to Isis's TikTok videos. Videos about orgasms/followers, rotation-era sadness, men not getting her off, going to the mall hoping to see her ex, heartbreak vulnerability. Tamara and panel comment on authenticity vs performing for content. Isis defends truth-telling approach. Panel reaches rare consensus on one of her videos about staying with wrong partners.

Show wrap-up and final thoughts

TTS roast section (10 minutes, $30 threshold). Chat calls Isis "most despicable woman" and "CCP plant." Tamara and Brian banter about going on a date (he declines due to OnlyFans). Shane says he'd love to come back. Isis leaves slightly early. Brian does outro, thanks panel, announces next show Sunday 5pm Pacific.

Transcript

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SPEAKER_03can experiment as much as you want and it's just you have to tell me and I and I made that very clear and I I was not expecting it at all but one night it was it was like the night after his birthday and I was looking I was going to go send

SPEAKER_03the pictures to myself but then I opened the phone to go um send the pictures to myself and I see in the like recent apps grinder and so I'm like like open it and it's like an anonymous profile and he's

SPEAKER_03like texting all these people it's he he gets he gets a lot of people in there there was like bing bing bing bing bing like so many but it I don't know how long it had gone on for but he was like cheating on me with his exes too and I

SPEAKER_03did not suspect it like I um we both trusted each other a lot and I was like so into this man and this man was so like I don't know soan donated

SPEAKER_03$200 that hot panel tonight all right J Moran thank you man appreciate they're talking about you Brian yeah I think so too they okay sure but he was like so

SPEAKER_03into me and I would never expect like him I was like we were from the day we met we would see each other like every single day he's we were so clingy with each other cuz I'm a very clingy person even though I do adult content and stuff

SPEAKER_03I'm a super clingy person I'm a lover girl I'm not going to hook up with somebody if I'm filming with somebody that's a little bit different I'm more looking for someone in the adult industry so that we can both like be mutual cuz I'm not do you know how many

SPEAKER_03uh people he cheated on you with uh I know that he's met his ex-girlfriend cuz she sent me pictures of him in like I bought him like this solid gold chain for his birthday and there was pictures

SPEAKER_03of him in it in the pictures so it's like I know that that's good times and I was also like the same thing you spending a lot of money on this man I'm like a sugar mama for all the men I date did you get a

SPEAKER_03chain back I let him keep it I just let him keep it I don't care and you like it a little bit too like what like spending yes I'm I like spending my I like submissive men I like spending money on

SPEAKER_03men oh my God can I date you can you be my sugar mommy open Jes I'm open to dating like I guess I'm not I'm not the kind of girl that's like oh I want a big macho man I'm like if you're just normal

SPEAKER_03and natural and comfortable and it doesn't feel forced I'm not opposed to anything like you can be one of those like men that's like oh I work with my hands I can like fix cars all that I'm not opposed to that at all it's just that I don't want those guys that it's

SPEAKER_03like if you have to tell me you're this like Alpha bro it doesn't it's not natural it's just you're telling me I don't I have the energy or you have it or you don't tracks by the way that you're like I don't like masculine men anyway my boyfriend had sex with like

Shane Smithnine [Music] guys like yeah it sounds like he's a [ __ ] wa yeah cuz you said you said you like I like like like submissive men I like whatever like but did he ever like

SPEAKER_03did you peg him no I have pegged men but I but not um not him not him he to he was always a bottom which I'm fine with that with dudes wait did you know

SPEAKER_03he was by no he he still won't admit it he tried yes what is a bottom for a woman uh he just sits there and doesn't do anything it's kind of B it's awesome

TamaraI that's how I like if the men does when you were doing videos was he there as well when you were becking other men was he there in the room as well like oh my God I want to have some of that so I've been doing like I guess more professional stuff like this was a

SPEAKER_03Content trip for me um I've been doing content trips cuz I'm in college I do it when I'm on school break but um back then I was just filming with boyfriends girlfriend or yeah so I was just filming with him at the time and he was fine

SPEAKER_03with that he I didn't I took down all the videos with like prior uh partners and stuff but it's new for me to film with like content creators and I am looking for like a partner that's also in the industry because it creates a lot of issues I'll I'll meet a guy I'll be

SPEAKER_03like oh I really like this guy but then it's like it comes down to it's like I'm not going to break like stop my job for you because it's like realistically I'm going to date you you for like 6 months because we're I'm 21 like you know what I mean so it's not that big that deep

SPEAKER_03for me to stop it and it's like I feel like you shouldn't have to change yourself for a relationship you're coming into because I already do adult content it's like I it's it's not that different but sure what what do you want

SPEAKER_03out of a committed relationship than if it's only 6 months like what's the what's your like goal I the goal for me is not to end at 6 months but it's like realistically speaking when you're 21 how long do your relationships last like

Shane SmithI'm not going to marry the people I'm getting right now if you are going to run a 5k and you tell yourself I'm not going to win this you're probably not going to win well I mean I go into it obviously being like I'm so crazy I'll

SPEAKER_03meet to God be like I'm obsessed with this man I love this man and I the intention of C of course is to date them for like a longer period of time but like I really like this man I was spending so much money on him of course

SPEAKER_03I was intending on dating him and the night I went through his phone and I saw the grinder on there it's like I did not expect that like my whole world was just like rocked because I was like devastated I did not see him cheating

Shane Smithdidn't expect that at all do you think your desire or your like mindset of being like well realistically is just a way to protect yourself because you fall deeply in love with people and you desire Intimacy in connection and you're like well they're going to leave me in 6

SPEAKER_03months and I'll say that to myself and then it won't hurt as bad I feel like most of the relationships I'm in I'm the one that leaves but it's because they did something like cheat on me or something and it's like I can't like I

SPEAKER_03can't stay with you and I honestly if he was if he just was going if I just saw the grinder in his phone I would have stayed with him because I he has a lot of I think some like sexual trauma where

SPEAKER_03it's like I he still won't like accept that he's bisexual and I'm fine with that I'm fine with him being a bisexual exploring that but I'm not okay with you one not telling me and two like cheating

SPEAKER_03on me with your ex that was the that was the extra thing cuz I was oh finish up please but oh I was like oh like um it's okay like we can explore it but then I saw the the other girlfriend I she she

Brian Atlassent me the pictures so quick question for the panel the entire panel if you were to be cheated on would you prefer your boyfriend cheat on you with a woman or with a man starting with you neither

Brian Atlasyou got no you got Tock I have to choose you got to pick [Music] um probably a man also let me double let

Brian Atlasme uh double dare I don't know uh if he cheats with a woman would you prefer that she's more attractive or less attractive than you if he cheats with a woman yeah so

SPEAKER_03those would I prefer that she's more or less attractive yeah got the pick I think everyone would prefer that she's less attractive

Tamararight who knows what about you less attractive preferably a man okay uh I prefer a woman and she can be prettier than me it's fine you'd prefer that yes

SPEAKER_03okay unattractive if it's a woman and a man if between the two cuz I'm very jealous so you'd prefer the man though okay what

SPEAKER_03about you definitely less attractive woman but also been cheated on with like everyone in the world what the other question

SPEAKER_03what was the other question you'd prefer if they cheat on you with a man or a woman oh oh honestly I a woman okay I'm less attractive and then probably a man cuz then I feel like it's not something I

Maddiedid wrong they they're not getting what they need from me cuz they want a man I would hope he cheated on me with a man but I don't think I care if it's a more attractive woman I kind of hope that I

Lauren Kofiwalk in on it and I get to see it I saw that yeah I saw that I lit walk in I definitely prefer him to cheat on me with a man cuz I'm very jealous and yeah that would destroy me and then she

Shane Smithdefinitely can't be prettier than me uh in the reverse I guess this is for the ladies but obviously I don't know in a world where I'm a I'm a lady dating a man I would probably want him to cheat

Shane Smithon me with a man I guess but if I was dating a woman and she cheated on me uh it would be horrifically devastating either way but I guess another woman cuz then I don't have to go to

Brian Atlasjail nice um and then uh if she if uh she were to cheat on you with another man you prefer better looking than you or Worse looking um I would prefer

Shane Smithbetter looking for sure because if she's sluming it and then cheating on me with someone who's worse than like what what does that say about me but then at least you get to be like she's nothing on me like at least that's how Works you're

Tamarastill taking the there's nothing you're taking cuz I have to make myself feel better my m just cheat I need to at Le but darling why though why do you have to make an excuse for yourself to feel I'm already going to [ __ ] now that who

Tamaraare you to judge about somebody else's appearance that's shitty as well I'm going to feel better that she's why why would you make an excuse for yourself just go to therapy get a

SPEAKER_03drink I I would feel better all right uh what about you um I would say a woman and more attractive even though I am the

SPEAKER_03jealous type just because if he if it's a man then there's a lot that he's hiding from me that I didn't even know about in the relationship on top of him cheating MH so all right I just feel like it'd probably have been in denial

Maddieso I'd understand more like you were trying to just you know do what you were supposed to do and you can't hide it relationship sadus I'm in a relationship I've been with my boyfriend for a year and two months but it's not my longest

Lauren Kofirelationship my longest relationship was 2 and a half years all right cool what about you I am single at the moment um I feel like I'm really bad with time stamps everyone's like one year and two

Lauren Kofimonths like over yeah I'm like oh I don't know what day it is today but yeah I've been single for like um a year over a year but um I was like seeing someone not too long ago I feel like I'm always in situationships whether it's just

Lauren Kofidating or even just talking and I feel like it's a phone relationship like so intense um yeah so I feel like I'm always like longest relationship I feel like my relationships are always like

SPEAKER_03one year two year so the longest was two years two years okay Shane what about you um my longest relationship is 3 years I was married once and the longest

SPEAKER_03relationship I've been in was 6 years was is well yeah to your current that yeah current husband yeah got it and uh when did you

SPEAKER_03get married last October you guys been married like about a year yeah congrats all right and you were 21 when you got

Isis Hongmarried um I think so no 22 I think no no yes 21 21 21 okay 21 all right what about you Brian yeah are you single are you seeing

Brian Atlasanybody well much like Shane because of uh stalker and threats to my life I'm not disclosing my okay uh any sort of

Shane Smithrelationship details so um so it's hard out here having the dating podcast D yeah I don't know people are crazy and by people I mean women on the internet oh it's not just women for me but oh

Brian Atlasdude heck there's some weird but do you prefer women oh I'm straight oh just a question no but I when I was talking about men I was like there's male stalkers yeah yeah they're they're all

Brian Atlasalthough it's mostly women yeah isn't that interesting how you get the 100 DMS a day type thing yeah anyways um so uh let's see we got everybody's relationship status I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to read we have uh one chat we got to read oh hold on Bucky Larson other than paying less taxes I don't see any other benefits to marriage as a man ladies what do you bring to the table to convince me and Brian to get married

Brian Atlaswe'll get into that in just a sec thank you Bucky lson for the message and I'm just going to read this other one that just came through and then we'll get back to Bucky's question uh appreciate it man uh way off base the headline

Brian Atlasreads local man robbed Wendy's with an alligator I stopped and said out loud what did you just say to me Shane Smith is funny as hell thank you oh by the way I've seen your stuff uh I've seen your

Shane Smithstuff before it's very funny man thank you I appreciate that and are you uh doing any shows here in California while you're out here no I came out here as an excuse to Surf and so I saw I was like I'm going

Shane Smithto come to Santa Barbara and do some stuff yeah nice nice you from Salt Lake uh I'm not from Salt Lake but yeah I'm in in Utah we'll say that okay cool cool so by the way Robert

Brian AtlasTanner thank you for the gifted memberships I think you sent in 50 a little bit earlier man really appreciate it back to Bucky's question so he asked he doesn't see any benefits to marriage as a man ladyes what you bring to the

Brian Atlastable to convince me and Brian to get married well one question before we get into that uh just show of hands who here wants to get married show of hands that's yes yes yes yes that's

Brian Atlaseverybody except you well you were already married so maybe you had a bad experience uh and then who here wants to have kids one day between no

Brian Atlaskids okay all right was that a kind of a no no I just putting it down in a weird way okay so um and you you said you want to get married right yeah okay got it uh

Brian Atlasso Bucky Larsson asks uh I guess I'm kind of the soulman out here besides uh pachy pachy peachy uh don't want to get

Brian Atlasmarried you guys do want to get married I'm ready for you guys to try to convince me why I or other men should get married like any takers first of all

Isis HongI don't know why do we have to convince you to get married right if we have to convince you you have to convince me then it's not going to work we're going to get the divorce that's 100% the case you cannot be convinced to do something

Shane Smithyou don't want to do you convince him to get married then he's committed to the idea now he commits to a woman so he changed his mind because I changed his mind permanently and and then the relationship with the woman and he

Shane Smithcommits to her so you're not convincing him to like walk down the aisle tonight you're convincing him to acquire the mindset in order to get married and have a successful marriage the only way I can

Isis Hongsee 100% guaranteed commitment of a guy with a girl is if I pay you certain amount of money we have a legal document say if you cheat on me you're going to lose a toe or something then I think you're never going to cheat and you're

Shane Smithgoing to be committed 100% I don't think that's how that works there there are spies there are people who risk their lives to betray the people who pay the money to like like there's men are motivated that way I think it's more

Isis Honglikely that a man cheat out of commitment than some man like trying to like hunt him down in that in your situation if that makes sense I'm so sorry I don't I don't understand I guess never mind yeah I just feel like that's the only way you can guarantee a man

Isis Hongdoesn't she that's the most likely way how do you guarantee it physical bodily harm no no no physical threatening him with signing a contract contract legal binding and like monetary value because

Isis Hongyou cannot convince love I cannot convince anybody to be committed to me but I can have a legal document say you cannot say these [ __ ] you cannot do [ __ ] you now touch another woman that is more

Isis Hongbounding and more likely that's true but they want me to convince them I don't know if you're a good person or not your plan has flaws I

Shane Smithfor the first entire half of my life I broke the law for a living like no one a contract isn't going to make a guy obey the prison is full of people right now they do not care about contracts let me ask you a question if you don't want to

Shane Smithmarry this girl and she wants to convince you to marry her is it more likely that you cheat on her or is it more likely that you you betray the contract in this scenario where you you

Isis Hongjust proposed I agree that man should you should just not be together yeah exactly so but but there's a question phrase that we need to convince these two people these two people are not in love with any of us oh oh no no the

Shane Smithquestion isn't to convince them to marry each other or for Bucky to marry Brian which would be awesome but uh it's it's to convince Brian of the con that the concept of marriage is good and he

Tamarashould be more than to marriage why would you be open to marriage why is it such a wonderful idea to get married like P why don't you want to get married yeah I am

SPEAKER_03not so cynical that I say I will never get married again I have been burned I will go into it with a lot more thought

SPEAKER_03so the next time around do you are you open to a relationship currently question whatsoever I yeah I want to find like my soulmate

Shane Smithso you are looking for the man you want to marry you're just saying that it's that you have incredibly High stand very hesitant I would need to like just wholeheartedly

SPEAKER_03believe that this is the one this is like meant to be but but you desire to desire that you want to have yes so you do want to get married you just you just want Prince Charming to do it which is fair that's

Lauren Kofifair I wouldn't be able to like convince someone cuz I don't even understand all the rules and what everything would mean and that but I just think it would be so nice to meet someone we adore each other so much we just want to do everything that's possible have kids get married

Lauren Kofilike my mom and dad have been married for like 36 years and I think it's the best thing in the world and I think you just have to naturally want that with me I can't tell you oh no cuz if you marry me then this and that I don't even

SPEAKER_03know Point like you cannot convince someone at all why don't you want to get married I'm just curious yo Robert Tanner thank you for the gifted 50 memberships man really appreciate it

Brian Atlasgood to see you in the chat uh so why don't I want to get married well I guess let me lay it out like this so my view

Brian Atlasis absent some both Partners having a religious worldview be it Christian or Muslim or Jewish or whatever it is I

Brian Atlasactually don't see from the secular Viewpoint actually any reasons at least from the male perspective and I suppose it's not even so much the male perspective as it is

Brian Atlasthe red winner perspective I can't I don't actually see any reason to get married like if anybody can make an actual secular argument and I don't I'm

Brian Atlasnot sure this is a super Christian panel to begin with but I can't think of any actual benefits to the man or to the bread winner when it comes to getting

Brian Atlasmarried at least that outweigh the risks so for me personally there's nothing that I can get in a marriage from a woman that I can't get get in a

Maddiemonogamous long-term relationship yeah I have a hot take I think might change wait hold on let's let her answer then I'll let you go uh sorry I just going to say so have it's a follow-up question

SPEAKER_03actually have you ever been in love before sure yeah true yeah let's say everything was fine and dandy with that relationship you wouldn't want to be married with that person even though you

SPEAKER_03were in love with them till this day well I'm not sure that's really uh I don't know if that's really an argument like

SPEAKER_03you Mar them but she enough compared to like cuz I mean something that I think about is if you're not committing to marriage you're open to other options right well aren't you open to other

Shane Smithoptions even if you're married of course yeah okay so I mean marriage does not preclude one from infidelity no what about uh ritual marriage your issue is legal marriage what if you were with a woman you loved

Shane Smithand she said no papers but let's go have a priest or like a guy or someone are I like that well I would have to actually investigate what the law actually says

Brian Atlasto that would there even though it's not through the state are there any legal implications to even getting a purely ritual marriage if not it's perhaps a

Shane Smithlittle more enticing but then I um I still don't really see the point I struggled with this there's data that shows men who are married like live

Shane Smithlonger have better outcomes longterm and are healthier but I don't I can't like say that that doesn't also apply to a long-term very committed monogamous secular relationship why is everybody so

Tamarascared of the cheating stuff I he everybody say oh we have to have a contract you have to do this and this isn't marriage about a wonderful loving commitment like the man is the man like typical speaking you're the man of the

Tamarahousehold like what you were saying very manly the woman is in her feminine State together you get married you have such a wonderful packed together such a wonderful lovely powerful thing you can give that

Tamaraon to your children you can be the woman you can be the man you can still be the breadwinner but just like out of love why is everybody here so afraid oh no yes they have a contract for cheating and stuff if a person wants to cheat is

Maddiegoing to cheat but I think marriage should be about love and everything that's wonderful your your argument usually is you can get most of what you can get in a marriage outside of a marriage correct I want to bring this to

Maddiethe table and it's probably crazy thought but I think men in a marriage should have Reproductive Rights if you if you actually get married legally you should be able to have a say on whether or not your wife can get an abortion or

Maddienot I don't think it should be like you can just decree cont or but you should it should be more of a conversation you should have rights

Brian Atlaswell I mean I so in this hypothetical scenario where but I mean that's not an argument that really doesn't pertain to the well no no no hold on that doesn't

Brian Atlaspertain to the conversation at all because that's not the law as so in a marriage a woman should just be my slave legally but that's not the C I'm not

Brian Atlasthat's not what I'm advocating for but that's not how it is so I don't see how it pertains to the actual do believe what you saying I believe that men

Brian Atlasshould lead in a marriage no but I I'm more so making a criticism of she's saying well men should have this right in a marriage but they don't and quite

Brian Atlasfrankly they never will have that so kind of like yeah wishful thinking but if it was a convince you for me well but okay so you're saying the the wife she

Brian Atlaswants to get an abortion but I don't want her to yeah you'd have more of a right to be able to wouldn't that be such a mismatch of values that that would not be the type of woman for me to yeah I guess I just think of the scenario of when a woman's like yeah I'm

Brian Atlasready to have a kid and then they get scared after getting pregnant and they freak out and make a Jud if you're as a man if you're pro- life and the woman is pro-choice that's just an an immediate

Shane Smithmismatch of of values so I don't think that it would even work in the I I appreciate what you're saying I think that in practice it is kind of like inter I don't think that would be it'd

Isis Hongbe a whole ordeal for sure yeah but uh go ahead Isis so um you said that you can get all the benefits without the marriage it may be true and if it's true what essentially you're saying is you're

Isis Hongselfish you're not willing to give give out any part of you for a woman because you can get all the benefit but marriage might be a Financial Security and legal security for this woman so this is

Isis Hongexactly why I say you cannot convince you we can never convince you because fundamentally if you're selfish and can't convince you to do something unless there's a value I'm providing you with which is some kind of contract or

Isis Hongmoney or let's say I'm a billionaire and you really want to be like 500 let's this is a hypothetical situation then I'm like oh dating and I'm like okay you have to marry me in order to get certain

Isis Hongthings then I think I could convince you but if you just if you can get all the benefits without marriage why would you do it it that it's against human nature and it's not possible but why do you think it's selfish if a man doesn't want

Tamarato get married why is that selfish maybe protecting himself maybe he's just still a very good provider he will still take care of your children he will still be there he will take care of everything why is that selfish if the girl wants to

Tamaraand he doesn't want to I think selfish from the girl because he's pressing if he's still a good provider for the children in home isn't that selfish of the woman to pressure him you say it's selfish of the man if he

Tamaradoesn't want to but isn't that selfish of a woman to say I want it otherwise I will leave you it's like a tread right it's not not fair it's also a little bit selfish it is selfish but we're trying to conin AR him right like the question

Brian Atlasis how to convince him to be I'll actually and I'll get you in in just a sec I'll actually say what would I marry a female billionaire without a uh what's it

Isis Hongcalled that's the scenario in which I'll get married yeah that that's like a way to convince you right if someone wants that if she's a billionaire I will marry her yeah to address your concern it's okay to be selfish I'm not saying like

Isis Hongoh you're selfish and it's wrong I'm we're I'm talking about the topic of convincing right I'm just saying this is the way to convince someone who think of his own interest and there's no good or bad there's no judgment on that but do

Tamarayou not think it's a little danger because you say I want to have a contract I want to have everything I want to have like a prenup thing if I married a billionaire where is the love then because you will only get married

Isis Hongif there's a contract thing why is it not the beautiful way why is always I have to provide you this and this and that and that's why I want get married because I'm saying this is the way I will use to convince him to get married

Isis Hongnot that I'm saying this is the best way I'm not saying it's good to convince someone to get married but the question is how would you convince someone do you understand my point but why do you want to right like yeah I think I might have

SPEAKER_03something that before I have you go you had something go ahead yeah so um the way you're framing this question almost is like why should I get married if it doesn't serve me in any way and

SPEAKER_03ultimately like it doesn't change anything about my relationship to this person I've been seeing long term or feel in love with my question would be what's the harm if you're saying it

SPEAKER_03doesn't really change anything anyway why are you scared to get married MH oh how is that is that a money thing well that's not what I'm saying I there are risks when it comes to getting married

Brian Atlasyes there are and so that's my objection to it but I'm I'm asking you I guess what are those risks that you perceive

Brian Atlasso there's a couple so there's uh one untangling a marriage is complicated so from the financial aspect uh not just

Brian Atlaswhat the the woman ends up getting out but the legal costs in in and of themsel are going to be fairly substantial uh attorney charge quite a bit if you're the bread winner you're going to

SPEAKER_13actually have to probably go ahead and Unreasonable Man donated my Chinese wife says the value in marriage is the strengthened security

SPEAKER_13I provide money and the rest is meaningless lot of broken dos on this panel be better oh okay thank you

Isis Hongappreciate it appreciate it Unreasonable Man wait is this grid one is this grid one how do you have security without money you said that money is mining

Brian Atlaslless how can like that's that's a very stupid point that's a question for you unreasonable man so the financial risks you have to pay for the attorney uh you might have to even pay for your wife or

Brian Atlassoon to be ex-wife's attorney if you know there's a mismatch in your her financial resources and yours uh there's the time the stress of untangling all

Brian Atlasthat and then there's going to be what she's owed right so uh anything even with a prenuptual agreement often these prenuptual agreement uh agreements tend

Brian Atlasto get challenged by the person uh typically the woman who's initiate who's typically also initiating the divorce funly enough um so for example Kevin Cosner uh he actually his divorce

Brian Atlasproceedings were here in Santa Barbara he had a prenuptial agreement with his wife and in the prenuptual agreement it said if you challenge the prenuptial agreement you lose XYZ and then she went

Brian Atlasahead and challenged it anyways uh so even with like uh potential risks of challenging a prenuptual the lawyers will still do it because they can maybe try to weasel out of it whatever uh even

Brian Atlaswith a prenuptual agreement it typically only has to do with assets or money that you got before the marriage but everything you got during the marriage really can't be as far as I know I could

Brian Atlasbe wrong not an attorney this is just from my research prenuptual agreements can't really do much when it comes to what earned during the course of the marriage so if you've been married 5 10 20 years for example uh everything

Brian Atlasthat's earned in the marriage is commu community property so then she's just going to get half of everything earned throughout the course of the marriage uh I think that this actually will lead to

Brian Atlasa marriage can actually lead to a greater likelihood of the breakdown of the relationship cuz if she's just dating you and she breaks up then she potentially loses any of those benefits that she has from dating you

Brian Atlasbut if she breaks up with you and she's like oh now there's a financial incentive to break up with you I'm going to get x amount of money then it's actually like pushing her towards ending ending the

Isis Hongrelationship so that's interesting uh for those sorry good that's pretty much I really I really agree with you I want to say that I watch this sof white underbelly interview with this divorce lawyer about all the vice he's giving

Isis Hongand it is true that getting married is a event that is most likely to cause distraught and harm in the relation ship and the benefit

SPEAKER_08and one Motorsports donated $200 yes that was me sorry streamlabs got me men provide security be been

SPEAKER_08capable and competent even when I was not well off my wife was not concerned because she had faith in my ability to provide yeah great one thank you man appreciate it this exactly what I was

Tamarasaying if you have a man who will still take care of your children provide in every way is marriage not really sorry sorry security isn't him having money it's him not leaving you when you both

Isis Honghave no money ex comment and emotional security yeah just to kind of conf with the point I was making for the so I think I agree with you because like I think half the marriage and in divorce

Isis Hongand among the half that's not divorced most of them are unhappy so it's like actually it's better off if we don't get married that's true but I do want to get married I think it's just like a

Isis Hongpersonal thing a believe I did have one to say sorry I'm so sorry just one last thing that's why I was addressing to you I'm like I also have the selfish desire to not get married also so I'm not

SPEAKER_03saying it's good or bad to be selfish in like we want yeah yeah what's your thing I um I have been through this um

SPEAKER_03experiencing times where like being married especially in the military you can't live with them unless you're married um and there's a lot of like

SPEAKER_03legal issues with that like if you are not in a legal marriage the government doesn't see them as like an extension of you you can have trouble with like power

SPEAKER_03of attorney stuff and like you know finances like I wouldn't be able to if I was not married to my ex-husband I would not be able to call his bank and say hey

Shane SmithI need so and so unless I'm married legally is he still in the Marines no oh okay like you talking about his infidelity it's illegal isn't it can't

SPEAKER_09he be Court Marshal they they can yeah but yeah okay is he legal to cheat if you're in the military yeah you have to be really yeah that's great interesting isn't it not everybody cheats nobody

Brian Atlascares back uh wrath PSA says to the first lady the marriage that didn't work out he was Alliance wasn't he probably a no Mage oh gosh no Mage that's funny um I

Brian Atlasdon't think he was cool enough to play WoW oh okay we have a chat here from bli the Mars hey thank you man for the Super Chat the Bible tells men to only get

Brian Atlasmarried to a woman if they are struggling with sexual immorality read 1 Corinthians

Brian Atlas719 I don't think that's real at all I don't think that's real B Mars thank you Giovani is that Shane Smith finally some Catholic representation Purge the heretic's

SPEAKER_08brother that's funny all right giovan appreciate it man um oh we got oh eny donated $200 Brian Walmart Adam 32 is

SPEAKER_08embarrassing himself marriage is a total L 304s initiate 80% of divorces and most guys lose all their [ __ ] I ain't [ __ ]

Brian Atlaslosing mine kiss my ass [ __ ] y'all bishes of course your where you been bro where you been shoot me a DM on Instagram or

Brian AtlasDiscord LP shoot me a DM on Instagram or Discord we have another chat coming in here real quick we got grid one grid One Motorsports donated $200 And1 B give me

SPEAKER_08a call when you get a chance tomorrow okay and just because it seems relative how many of the panelists are feminist do not be shy the patriarchy is here to help yeah we'll ask that really quick

Brian Atlasactually last thing on the marriage thing then we'll move on to this uh and some other topics going around the table if uh when you do get married are you going to take your uh husband's last name or are you going to hyphenate it

Brian Atlasdoesn't matter to me yes no you'll take his you'll take his last name well it depends on the name that makes sense let's say it's a terrible last name but he's like I want

Brian AtlasI don't know but he's like I want you to take my last name no if how's it sadistic cuz like what if your name is like doof and Schurz

SPEAKER_03what must take my name even though it sounds just like stupid in so what would your solution be well if it's a bad name he takes yours create our own some

SPEAKER_03people are mixing the superior it should be the superior last name actually you just keep your that's fairly subjective the coolest sounding last name I see how they could descend into some kind of

SPEAKER_03like racist thing pretty one the white one okay okay um what about you I'm keeping mine you're keeping yours my mom kept hers I'll keep mine okay what

SPEAKER_03about you same with my family I mean I'm not opposed to taking last name if it's really bad I have kind of a weird like my real name is kind of weird so if it if it didn't go well I might keep it and most of the women in my family do keep their last names but if it's a man

SPEAKER_03that's telling me like I'm not going to marry you if you're not taking my last name then I'm not going to be with you like that if it's that big of a deal I think that like I should be able to keep it if I want to okay I love my initials

Lauren Kofibut I'm going to take his last name I love my name so much I've literally got it I've got it tattooed on me Kofi and my family are the best family in the world I would definitely want to put both of our names and anyone I've ever

Shane Smithdated they would be proud to be a cofi we'll have both of our names Shane what about you I will be keeping my own last name thank you very much but so like no I wouldn't I wouldn't marry someone who wouldn't take my name yeah there's no

SPEAKER_03way you're married what was the um definitely me taking his name you took his last name and can I say a couple things before we move on to the next topic or do you just is it related to the last name thing

Brian Atlasor more to about the whole marriage in general okay hold it for now but I'll I'll let you okay I'm just confused with this whole La last name thing so marriage is sort of I mean it's changed

Brian Atlasa bit but it's a traditional thing so I me like do you guys for example those of you who said you want to like if the last name's not great or you're like for sure going to keep your last name whatever or you have

Brian Atlashesitations about taking his do you want him to get down on one knee to propose do you want him to propose

SPEAKER_03period let's start over here um do I want him to propose if I don't want his last name no just in general do I want

SPEAKER_03do I want a guy to propose in you want him to propose as opposed to you proposing well I would prefer if like I had the kind of option but like I feel like well of course you have the option

SPEAKER_03no of course I just feel like um it's like traditionally you know mhm so I mean but I don't really care

Brian Atlasyeah what what else is traditional about marriage that it's usually involved with the church no but you said traditionally the man will like be the one who proposes right yeah yeah like in in the

SPEAKER_03culture okay yeah what else is traditional when it comes to marriage um I would say having kids tradition what else is

SPEAKER_03traditional um dress going taking the name yeah yeah so okay what about you do you want a guy to do be I say F the Norms I could get down on

SPEAKER_03my knee he could get down on his knee she could get down on her knee I don't care but um yeah your argument is that you know I'm saying I'm a proponent for marriage I want to get marriage and that's a traditional practice in itself

SPEAKER_03yeah well I kind of don't view it that way which we don't have to get into but you don't view marriage as a traditional thing well no I do but like in my mind I'd marry somebody

SPEAKER_03because it's a it's me showing my commitment to them you know mhm like without all the financial stuff and all of that like

Shane Smithit's I view it kind of as a gesture what is the what are you you what is what are you bringing in order to show the commitment cuz you don't take their last name and and you're not

SPEAKER_03like into the the Traditions or whatever so what is it exactly that you're well you talk about how there's all these risks in marriage with losing money and different things if there's divor well

SPEAKER_03not necessarily for men you said the bread winner that could be the woman whoever it is there's still risks on both sides both people can get hurt both people can lose material things and by

SPEAKER_03willing to take those risks that's showing your commitment to each other and I I just want to be able to call somebody my partner one day you can call your non-married person partner wife or

SPEAKER_03husband and not be lying you can still call them that can I though yeah sure yeah okay you could if you think so but um that's my opinion but wouldn't it I

Brian Atlasmean couldn't you just make the reverse argument that a woman who's willing to stay with a guy despite her uh her desire to get married but she's willing to commit to him despite his

Brian Atlasunwillingness to get married isn't you can just make the same argument M she's showing a greater commitment to him I'm willing to commit to you I'm willing to commit to you despite this

Brian Atlasthing that I want because I want to be with you enough that I don't need that isn't that a commitment m i that that's yeah you had something and then I'm going to move it on from the married

SPEAKER_03stuff go ahead then um I was just going to say that I think just the general marriage topic of in in general um I think it is a really big deal um I don't

SPEAKER_03think that it's not just a like oh you can just you know be with people and not be married when you choosing to be married you're choosing to get the family involved you're choosing to get legal with this stuff you know you're saying you're supposed to be submissive

SPEAKER_03to each other and I think taking that leap kind of shows hey men wait men are supposed to be submissive to their WI like you both are like humble with each other you both listen to

Brian Atlasanother each I don't even know if that biblically that's correct are you religious not really men are supposed to self you want to be equal in Rel I don't think men are supposed to be it's not

SPEAKER_03submissiveness it's it's a willing out that's a better way to say it willingness I'll say that a willingness um it's a willingness on both sides and it's just a huge leap to

SPEAKER_03say hey I'm serious about this cuz if you're if you think about it if you're with somebody boyfriend girlfriend you've been together for let's say 10 years living together everything you're involved with the family you can just get up and

SPEAKER_03leave like you can just be like um okay and that I don't know to me it's kind of a red flag when someone says they don't want marriage because they're not willing to take that extra leap to actually determine theel well but here's the thing so you said that if you're

SPEAKER_03been dating for 10 years the person can just get up and leave well hold on you can do that exact same thing if you're married you have to go through I mean you got go basically we are staying

SPEAKER_03together under threat of lawsuit isn't that a terrible reason to stay together with somebody but when Sor no go ahead no no can I was just going to say when you are choosing to marry somebody you go in with that idea

Brian Atlasalready that you know what you're getting yourself into you know what I mean well I think a lot of people are actually naive and they don't know the financial ramifications they don't it's very it's actually very easy to get

Brian Atlasmarried it's much more complicated to get divorced true you can go to the courthouse I think I don't know if you need Witnesses or signatures you can do

Brian Atlasthat instantly to unwind that is a much more lengthy and expensive process but who wants marriage that's just like oh let's go over there sure I mean it's probably there's a little more thought

Brian Atlasthat's put into it but the actual process is a bit more simplified uh but I mean getting a divorce is very easy all in the sense that I mean it's it's

Brian Atlascomplicated but like it's easy in the sense that you can just go do it yeah just nothing stopping you from doing it there's just extra steps I would say

Brian Atlasthat you really have to Comm well I would rather like if my girlfriend wants to break up with me and she wants to break up with me I'd rather just later yeah I don't want you to like oh man I

Brian Atlasgot to do extra work to break up with him I guess I'll stay with him n if you're not about me that's why like if a girl ever threatens a breakup to try to get like some like if there's something

Brian Atlasa problem in the relationship we can have a conversation about it the minute a girl starts threatening breakups and that [ __ ] it's over I don't play that [ __ ] where we're going to be like on and off again you're going to threaten

Isis Hongbreakups that well we can have a conversation about the issue but if you're using a breakup as leverage yeah later I imagine this you married a girl you got her pregnant she had a baby and

Isis Hongthen cheated on her with another woman three months let's let's do the Ariana case you not know what happened and then this man is a piece of [ __ ] doesn't want to give any child support can just leave

Isis Hongwithout any legal document so those women have a baby because she is in during her like uh leave so she doesn't have any pay and then she lose his job her she lose her job and then she just

Brian Atlasall alone this man is giving her not no security but if they're married the things would be different no well so okay hold on you're bringing the children thing into this so whether you're married or not the amount of Child Support a woman can receive is

Brian Atlasirrelevant to whether they're married or not so for example if a man's income is a certain amount or whatever and they're married or they're not married the same she'll get the same amount of Child

Brian AtlasSupport exact same yeah so but what's different though like the money that you made during the marriage well if they were married and the relationship ends depending on the length of the marriage

Brian Atlasshe could be she could get uh community property mhm you know earnings that were aced during the marriage and then potentially alimony depending on how long they were married oh okay so if

Shane Smithyou're dad it's like your job to pay I didn't know that child support child support you don't need to be married to for the woman the government will garnish your wages they'll just take the money from you and give it to

SPEAKER_03her I see okay that's good can I say one more thing yeah sure go um when you get married you don't have an end in mind when you're just dating somebody it's a possible 50/50 that you have an end in

Maddiemind do you know what I'm talking about you can still get out of the marriage there's always an end I think if you're in the right relationship you don't have that in mind you just don't no matter what situation you're in married or not

Shane SmithI think that there's an intangible quality to marriage where it deepens intimacy the same way where you're like oh hey don't sleep with other people we're official and that person becomes your girlfriend or whatever and then there's a sort of strengthening of your

Shane Smithbond I think maybe women feel that in marriage more and that's why men are so like hesitant to it but I mean would be my argument it's not money or any these other things it's like an intangible sort of intimacy that deepens the

Brian Atlasrelationship further that you're looking for but maybe you're not looking for that but it when you're talking about that is that it deepens it further for the more so for the woman as compared to

Brian Atlasthe man it's in the relationship it's a whole yeah I almost wonder CU don't don't you also Shane don't you also hear these stories of guys who do get married

SPEAKER_08and then things start to change worse One Motorsports donated $200 And1 imagine being married for 10 years and just deciding to leave and abandon your

SPEAKER_08relationship which is a sin and the wages of sin are Eternal damnation to Hell seems a legit tradeoff I don't believe in that wait you don't believe in no I

Shane Smithdon't oh I do well you're cath yeah well you can't get divorced right no we can't get divorc and even my first marriage which was when I was a secular promethus

SPEAKER_0873 donated $200 thank you if you want your man to get down on one knee will you bow for your man I'll show the video Brian show the video okay # don'tget

Shane Smithmared BR I'll pull it up in a sec thank you man appreciate it uh go ahead oh oh yeah I mean in uh when I first got married I was like a secular person and same thing to you I was like I don't understand the benefits of this I don't

Shane Smithcare about religion I don't believe in God and at the time I just did it to make her happy which was the worst thing I could do obviously that's you know been a and whatever the Catholic Church handles that in a certain way but yes I

Shane Smithbelieve when you get married you can never get divorced which is you know raises the stakes and makes it a much more intimate act between you God your community and your family I think it's crazy that you can get married at

Tamara18 you can get married before 18 actually stop yeah yeah with parent permission what can not do that in the Netherlands though you can join the Army when you're

Brian Atlas17 baby who what are we doing you know we got Robert Tanner here hey thank you for the message man appreciate it and thank you uh grid one and Prometheus too thank you guys Discord gives a seven out

Brian Atlasof 10 right now also someone mentioned turn your stove off LOL wait what also taking a last name as part of coverture it was a protection for men and women

Brian Atlasinteresting protection interesting uh thank you Robert Tanner really appreciate it man um oh the bow video uh Nick can we get the bow video going okay is this going to be

Brian Atlasno this is kind of like what I think like this first part here is would make for a good relationship boom huge bow I think I

Brian Atlasthink I think the the lady the woman should uh hit the man with the bow it uh you know I prefer a Curt we need wait hold on we need Isis for this segment she's gonna have thoughts on

Brian Atlasthis she's gonna have strong thoughts we we'll wait for Isa is she just she's where is she it's interest oh no she is wait are you watching it Isis no okay

Shane Smithwe'll play the battle one more time and then uh okay I don't like that she's going to watch him eat that's a bit intense that's she just like does it taste it's

Brian Atlaslike when someone watches you open a present you're like don't look at me I actually love this though I actually love this here Nick just the bow segment so this is uh for Isis so go ahead play

Brian Atlasit me yeah you're gonna you missed it boom boom huge bow let it play for a few se huge okay cool um what about it yeah

Brian Atlasso uh of somebody sent in a Super Chat asking uh if you would bow for your man going around the table would you would you bow for your man I would bow for my man okay how much would you pay nothing

Brian Atlaszero no no no you wouldn't bow for this guy you've been dating for 3 months no if I'm not getting anything I don't want to do it then what do you need to get for for your something I want like money

Brian Atlasyeah money is one jewelry is one orgasm is one whatever we want you know okay wait I'm a little confused because actually we'll pull this up a little bit we'll pull it up later go ahead yeah yes

TamaraI will do that I will also do a courtesy CT I will be on my knees for this man if he's providing he's like the man in the house protective safe take care of the children yes

SPEAKER_03absolutely yes if he deserves it and also I have an argument for or against what was the question before about Mar

SPEAKER_03tattoo say again pres Vu almost see there it is we're pres Ving all over the place yes uh you have an argument marage thing oh

SPEAKER_03marage oh sorry the marriage the marriage thing oh okay so well it's not really for men like it's for women and

SPEAKER_03um I feel like women have more of a risk or in in not in marriage but in regular dating because like we were talking

SPEAKER_03about actually I don't know if the live started when we were talking about this but we were talking about women and estrogen or not estrogen sorry testosterone and

SPEAKER_03um uh what's the love drug called oin so if women release more oxy

SPEAKER_03then like that's also a argument that's used to say that women um like get more attached so they should so it's like morally worse if they have higher body

SPEAKER_03counts which I disagree with but I I would say if you think that then women are at more of a risk just dating so

Brian Atlasit's kind of I think it kind of levels the playing field and I mean we have we have the child so it's so you're are you kind of saying when it comes to dating

Brian Atlasor marriage because women tend to love stronger or be more like emotionally invested

Brian Atlasinvested that that is the W the the risk that's on the woman side yeah I mean men

SPEAKER_03should face Financial ruin no not ruin it's just evening like women are risking like dating you wasting their time

Shane Smithwomen feel more because often not always because we have some examples but often they value feelings over like money and these other things and so for you that's like a bigger risk but for men they

Shane Smithoften value their work and what they've exactly gained and so for them that's a bigger deal so you're just doing the like men or for Mars women or for Venus thing where you both have a very serious thing that you care about but neither of

SPEAKER_03you are understanding the other one's position yeah I would say that it's even though I would say it's not predom Min L I would say it's not predominantly like

SPEAKER_03men are just ruined by marriage they're just ravaged by it and it like you know I just think it's like more equal like it's what about when there's a

SPEAKER_03guy how's it more equal because in the beginning if a woman is dating it's she's at more of a risk how so because of because she has the baby she carries

SPEAKER_03the baby so the men the the a man can have children without actually having children so wh women if you're too

Isis Hongcommit like how could you avoid that problem no child birth is really the leading cause of death you know so I agree with you on that wait so but I'm

Brian Atlashearing two different arguments here so there's the risk to the woman if she has a child with this man but the man leaves her um but then no no not not like the

SPEAKER_03like afterwards if you get divorced you'll be taken care of as a woman but if you're not dating okay but so removing the child component from this

SPEAKER_03what is the argument oh well the argument is also that if women are biologically have like more attachment

Brian Atlasand so well I have a bit of a rebuttal to this so there's a couple things so when it comes to women being more attached um to men or whatever so women

Brian Atlasoverwhelmingly initiate divorces 80% of divorces are initiated by women because you guys suck you cannot say that you cannot say hold on well let she can say her

Brian Atlaswhatever it's fine she can say it I mean dis Sil Sil disavow I mean it's misandrist but dis she can say it um of course she can okay so hold on so okay

Brian Atlasuh secondly when it comes to like just breakups in general I don't actually know if it's the case that women like women fa worse

Brian AtlasI mean maybe we can go around the table on this who do you think like uh when it comes to breakups who goes through it worse can I say something very quick on that very very very quick goad because I

Tamarahear every woman here on the table like oh we are afraid of cheating men suck la la la we are more afraid we are more Ts but what about a man a man needs to work a man needs to provide that's a lot of

Isis Hongpressure on a man that's a big risk for the men as well I hear men are cheated men are this and that yeah I only hear about that argument when men every month bleed every month and then go through

Isis Hongperiod pain every month and have to take contraceptives and have to go through all these [ __ ] if if men does that let's talk about all these other works like 80 hours a week a men Works 80 hours I work

Brian Atlas80 hours so I do have to engage with her on her thing that's a separate conversation so okay so I guess question for the panel do you think who fares

Brian Atlasworse in breakups men or women I hear that women get over a lot quicker than the guy actually do you guys other

Lauren Kofifemale panelists do you guys agree women get over breakups quicker it varies I think that they really get in their emotions but they get over it quicker I'm upset because the questions keep not getting run I keep I still want to tell

Lauren Kofiyou that I I still want to really tell you that I would love to bow to my man but anyway proceed I'm like it's so hard for me to not interrupt and I'm like to being so patient I'm doing

Brian Atlasyou know and I'm like so next time I might just have to interrupt PR well we'll come back to that but so I need to wrap this up with her so go ahead the the question that I posed the

SPEAKER_03the question everybody oh we're doing that all right weing sorry I didn't think you were going to go back to Quick changeing topic but um I yeah I already answered actually so okay let me ask you

Brian Atlasguys a question um just to get through this as quick as possible so uh of all the people that you've dated shortterm or longterm more often than not are you ending things or is the guy

SPEAKER_03ending things starting with you it's actually 50/50 okay I would say the same 50/50 yeah okay 5050 this is Cap but okay uh it's I have yeah

SPEAKER_0350/50 bro are you guys just going to be sheep or you guys historically it's been the other person but ending things okay me I think it leans more towards me relationships me situationships them

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