Men INSECURE About Body Count?! NYC Gold Digger Has Roster Of SIMPS?! | Dating Talk #187

Date: 2024-08-14

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

TTamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)>

VVivian (DT187)>

AAlexa (DT187)>

MMaddie (DT187)>

DDominica (DT187)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Maddie(guest)

SPEAKER_03(guest)

SPEAKER_05Isis Hong(guest)

SPEAKER_08(audience)

SPEAKER_10Lauren Kofi(guest)

SPEAKER_11Shane Smith(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Tamara(guest)

Key Moments

IntroJaspachy introduces herself: 25yo Las Vegas content creator/OnlyFans

“Hi guys I'm just pachy I'm 25 I currently live in Las Vegas Nevada and I'm a full-time content creator streamer and I do only fan.”

IntroIsis Hong introduces herself: 27yo NYC software engineer/TikToker, born China, Korean parents

“Hi my name is Isis ... I'm 27 ... I do TikTok my username is Isis Hong ... I'm also a software engineer. I got a degree in Biochemistry and computer science. Born in China (Korean parents), moved to Seattle at 15, college at 16.”

IntroTamara introduces herself: Dutch Jessica Rabbit, 28, Netherlands, content creator/student

“Hi my name is Tamara better known as the Dutch Jessica Rabbit I'm from the Netherlands ... I'm 28 I'm an adult industry content creator and I'm also a student studying legal administration.”

IntroLauren Kofi introduces herself: 30yo singer-songwriter/model/actress, Nottingham/London, Blue Therapy

“I'm Lauren Kofi I'm a singer songwriter model and actress ... from Nottingham but I live in London age 30. Was on Blue Therapy.”

IntroShane Smith introduces himself: 37yo Utah comedian, ex-motorcycle club member

“I'm Shane Smith I'm 37 I'm from Utah and I'm a comedian. Grew up with stepfather in motorcycle club, got full sleeves and neck tattoos at 18. I am out.”

Key MomentJaspachy reveals she married at 18, divorced Marine husband after 5 years; he cheated with her best friend

“I am single ... my longest relationship was 5 years ... I got married at 18 out of high school. He said he didn't love me while we were married ... there was infidelity ... he cheated with my best friend.”

Key MomentTamara reveals she had labiaplasty; describes them as extremely large, painful, and brought photos

“I got [labiaplasty] ... they were dead big they removed on each side ... it looks like a dick when I wore a bikini that is how big they were ... I have pictures.”

Key MomentIsis argues Brian is selfish for not wanting marriage since he can get all benefits without it

“If you're selfish and can't convince you to do something unless there's a value I'm providing ... fundamentally if you're selfish you can't be convinced... the only way is if she's a billionaire.”

QuoteBrian states the only scenario where he'd get married: if she's a billionaire

“Yeah that's the scenario in which I'll get married ... if she's a billionaire I will marry her.”

Key MomentSelf-rating round: guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7s). Isis: 6. Jaspachy: 10. Lauren: 8-10. Dominica: 5. Maddie: 5. Brian: 5.

“Starting with Isis what... six. [SPEAKER_03]: five in the US two in European countries... six. [Lauren/SPEAKER_10]: in Texas I'm an eight but in California a six... I'm a 10 sometimes as a model. Brian: five.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she asked a man for a $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition for second date; he complied; later had threesome with him and his girlfriend

“He said what designer do you like I said I like Tiffany but I don't like silver ... Buy me something ... about $2,500 ... and that was my first and only threesome — with him and his girlfriend, on my birthday.”

ControversyBrian calls Isis a "certified gold digger" after learning about bracelet demand and roster behavior

“She is a certified gold digger. She grabs dude's dicks within minutes of meeting them but she claims to have a low body count. It doesn't really add up.”

Key MomentBody count round: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputes); SPEAKER_03 mix: 3 and <10; Shane declines (>11)

“Jaspachy: probably like 30ish which is very low for somebody in that ... does porn ... four of those are from this week. Isis: less than 10. [SPEAKER_03]: less than 10 / three. Shane: 11 ... I won't be saying [exact number] at all.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she measured men's penis size on first dates; had 9-inch experience; doesn't need men for orgasms

“I always know [the size] because I measure it ... I don't want men to fool me. He was 9 [inches] ... for someone so handsome he's really not good at sex. If he can't get me off I have my vibrator.”

QuoteIsis TikTok video read aloud: viral "if you wanted to you would" video about staying with wrong partners

“It's not that if he wanted to he would, it's that if you wanted to you would. If you wanted to find a man that treats you the way you want to be treated you would. The problem was never them, it has always been you.”

QuoteShane says he'd like to return for a deeper conversation about the porn industry

“I'd love to. I'd like to... I would love to talk more about the porn industry like in a fair question that I'm always doing.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and announcements

Brian Atlas opens the show, standard platform announcements: Streamlabs, Twitch, merch, Discord, TTS triggers, BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit joke.

Guest introductions (round 1) — name, age, location, occupation

All guests introduce themselves in order: Jaspachy (25, Las Vegas, content creator/OnlyFans), Isis Hong (27, NYC, software engineer/TikToker), Tamara (28, Netherlands, content creator/student), Vivian (18, Orinda CA, music intern), Lucy (19, LA, student), Alexa (21, Baltimore, OnlyFans/student), Maddie (27, Dallas, deaf thrift store), Lauren Kofi (30, London, singer/model/actress), Shane Smith (37, Utah, comedian), Dominica (22, LA, cosmetology student). Extended discussion of Tamara's Netherlands background, red light district school trips, labiaplasty.

Relationship status round

Brian asks each guest current relationship status, longest relationship, how long single. Jaspachy: single 2.5yr, divorced Marine husband (cheated with best friend), now celibate. Isis: casually seeing someone ~2-3 months, not yet had sex with him. Tamara: single (brief 2-month thing earlier); does not do one-night stands. Vivian: single ~9 months, on-and-off guy for 7 months. Lucy: single. Alexa: single ~1.5yr (ex had Grindr + another girlfriend). Maddie: relationship 1yr 2mo. Lauren: single 1+ year. Shane: married October prior. Dominica: single ~4 months.

Tamara's labiaplasty and OnlyFans discussion

Tamara shares she had a labiaplasty (labia were extremely large, caused pain). Brought photos. Brian's BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit discussed. Shane defends all body types. Discussion of Tamara continuing OnlyFans until financially stable; Shane challenges whether she will find traditional man while doing adult content.

Marriage debate — should men get married?

Extended panel discussion on whether men should get married. Brian lays out financial/legal risks (prenup limitations, community property, divorce attorney costs). Guests attempt to convince Brian. Isis argues Brian is selfish; Brian says he would marry a female billionaire. Tamara argues marriage is about love and commitment, not fear of cheating. Jaspachy argues risks go both ways; references her military marriage experience. Discussion of taking husband's last name — split opinions.

Feminist/patriarchy questions

Quick round: who considers themselves a feminist? (none raised hands). Brief discussion of patriarchy in context of marriage traditions.

Self-rating round (looks 1-10, no 7s)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (no 7s allowed), starting with Isis. Isis: 6. Jaspachy: rated herself 10 (oscillating). Lauren: 8-10 (model). Dominica: 5 in US, 2 in Europe. Maddie: 5. Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: 5-6. Brian: 5. Extended tangent on Jaspachy's 10 self-rating and whether she's the most attractive at table.

Will you look better in 10 years?

Brian asks each guest if they'll be more attractive in 10 years. Isis: yes to all ages until death. Tamara: yes at 38, maybe 48, no after 58. Lauren: same/slightly better for a few years then decline. Dominica: better at 32, then plateau. Brian gave himself 5/10; Shane says he was better looking when younger.

Musical chairs / panel reshuffle

Brief segment: chairs rearranged when Isis moves or leaves briefly. Show notes section begins.

Height preferences

Brian asks each guest: how tall are you and minimum height for a partner? Isis: 5'3", used to require 6ft but now dating shorter man. Tamara: wears heels, doesn't judge height if he has dominant energy. Multiple guests: 5'2-5'3" heights, minimum ~4'11 to 5'6". Shane: doesn't care about height in a partner. Brian: 5'7".

Pre-show notes: Isis Hong deep-dive

Brian reviews Isis's Instagram and TikToks. Isis's request for $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition of second date — she got it, and later had a threesome with him and his girlfriend (her only threesome). Panel debates whether this is sex work. Discussion of Isis's roster period (a first date every day for 2+ months). Brian calls her a certified gold digger; Isis defends authenticity. Isis outed her brother as gay on show (name: Tony). She mentions $200k/year income requirement for men.

Tiffany bracelet / gold-digger / sex-work debate

Panel debates whether Isis getting a $2,500 bracelet from a date constitutes sex work. Tamara says world is transactional. Isis denies it was sex work (sex came much later). Shane argues it's similar to sex work by analogy. Discussion of women having easy mode dating vs men's difficulty.

Body count discussion — does it matter?

Extended panel discussion on body count. Does it matter for relationships? Brian says men prefer lower body count. Shane: high body count affects how people want to date you (not inherent worth). Female guests push back — shame vs double standard. Body counts revealed: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputed); Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: "less than 10" and "3." Shane: declined, >11.

Insecurity about body count — men's perspective

Brian argues it's not insecurity to prefer low body count partners. Jaspachy accuses Brian of shaming women. Shane notes no man has ever wished his girlfriend had more partners. Discussion of hookup culture and whether it benefits women. Alexa discussion of ex-boyfriend (bisexual, had another girlfriend).

Adult content industry and relationships

Panel discusses whether women who do OnlyFans can be in monogamous relationships. Jaspachy says filming is professional, not intimate — boyfriend is consensual. Shane challenges what "commitment" means if partner films with others. Tamara adds perspective from her experience in adult content. Brian: girlfriend who does porn = she's cheating on him if he can't also see others.

Child support, abortion rights, and bodily autonomy

Brian frames asymmetry: women can get abortions, men always pay child support. Should men have legal paternal surrender (opt out of child support)? Extended back-and-forth with SPEAKER_03 guests. Tamara: Netherlands requires both men and women to register for potential draft. Isis argues forced military conscription is worse than abortion bans. Panel mostly agrees women should be drafted if they want equality.

TikTok reaction: Isis Show Season 1 and 2

Brian plays and reacts to Isis's TikTok videos. Videos about orgasms/followers, rotation-era sadness, men not getting her off, going to the mall hoping to see her ex, heartbreak vulnerability. Tamara and panel comment on authenticity vs performing for content. Isis defends truth-telling approach. Panel reaches rare consensus on one of her videos about staying with wrong partners.

Show wrap-up and final thoughts

TTS roast section (10 minutes, $30 threshold). Chat calls Isis "most despicable woman" and "CCP plant." Tamara and Brian banter about going on a date (he declines due to OnlyFans). Shane says he'd love to come back. Isis leaves slightly early. Brian does outro, thanks panel, announces next show Sunday 5pm Pacific.

Transcript

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Isis Hongthey're like oh my God I know you turns out he recognized me from uh two weeks ago and then that's how we met again do you still have therapy yeah that's great

Isis Hongwhat um what can you give me an example of a cat call for a man like what were you doing it's not really cat call like I was really just complimenting them it's really it's not moving it on you

Brian Atlassaid uh you were brought to you were brought to a and when you say at least the groping you were just like touching his biceps is that it huh sorry what are you actually okay

Brian Atlassorry I was reading a negative comment okay about me just ignore it just ignore it we'll P up question no please don't put okay so the groping thing yeah it was just like his arms you're just like

Brian Atlasgrabbing no I kind of moved it down to to chest and the belly and then down a little bit you touch his penis I thing at the moments okay um you said you were brought to a surprise date

Brian Atlasat the Michelin star restaurant he prepared a surprise with a diamond ring and champagne yeah how much was the diamond ring $5,000 from Tiffany's and this was

Isis Honga first date second date third date no we we were dating for half a year oh half a year okay and we were serious very serious like talking about marage was a proposal or just a here's a gift I

Brian Atlasdon't know if I can say that I don't want to say that here actually proposal I don't want to say that yeah so a proposal we'll say it for you don't worry what would be wrong if that was if he proposed to you that's no it's just

Shane Smithfor privacy reasons because some people might know like that I don't know I don't want to say all right um let's see are these men Rich I'm sorry Brian it's okay I just have to are these men rich

Isis Hongor they like are like doing the most to get you these things I no most of them are my colleagues they're pretty wealthy and but I have dated poor person before

Shane Smithlike people who make less no like people who make like less no sure you can talk about poor people I I grew up poor it's fine no I my my par yeah okay so when

Isis Hongyou so they're your colleagues so then you have the same amount of money or close to it personally yeah but I spend a lot of it on myself like I spend so much money on myself I don't keep

Tamaraanything yeah I have a shopping addition hard it's really hard it's so difficult to be a woman but do you like because you take so much care of yourself like

Tamarayou call it is it like that you expect a man to take care of you in the same way you do for yourself like financially with the gifts and stuff like that that would be nice does your father take care

Isis Hongof your mother something right you expect the gift financially that's where I learned it from he was the bread winner um we had a lot of bad things happen to my family but one thing that was really consistent was that he's really a big gift giver and I think

Isis Hongthat's where I got it from every time he go on business trip he always ask me what I want and I think that's also it's bad it's terrible but he used it as a way to apologize are you an only child

Isis Hongno I have a younger brother so he expresses his love with gift with giving isn't that a little bit lonely as well uh I think M my dad's side of family we're not very close by Mom's

Isis Hongside give me like a lot of love so like I feel like that field but if you look like at your relationship with your daddy only giving you gifts and Gifts isn't a little bit lonely I definitely

Tamaralack a certain like secure bond with men that's why I Was a Serial you think but either way is it like when you get gifts is that reminding you of your dad a little bit The Bondage you're having yeah because you so you have a little

Brian Atlasbit of daddy issues I have a lot of daddy issues that's sexy thank you okay uh so let's see here uh you went back to the hotel with a Tiffany suitcase and a

Isis Hongbag of clothes I put into shopping bag during our trip that he noticed and purchased this we went to so that trip we went to Chicago that's where I got the diamond ring and after I got that on

Isis Hongthe diamond ring happened on the third or fourth day of the trip the first day I put some clothes in the shopping bag and when I was napping he actually bought it and got it delivered to the hotel room in Chicago proposing s all

Isis Hongthe way down days in nervous as [ __ ] and then so when I got back after the uh diamond ring I see a suitcase and um the

Shane Smithclothes I bought was inside it was the best date I've ever had since are like ruining dating for like everybody yeah do you think do you think you were nice to him like do you think he had like you

Isis Hongwere kind to him and gent I'm also a very generous person I got him a very expensive watch also um like for example I took this person on date before where I it's a surprise Broadway tiet it was

Isis Hongyou scoot your mic to the edge of the table sorry it was the best seat it was a surprise and it cost a lot of money too I don't think about it that way yeah uh so anyways you also said you got too

Brian Atlasdrunk during a date and you were taken by ambulance yeah like you so short version please and leave the mic at the edge of

Isis Hongthe table sorry just have it um it's just because it was a party mhm and it was like I was really nervous because he's one of the most attractive guys I dated so I just kept on drinking and

Isis Hongthen I was like oh I want to take a nap so I leaned against the chair and then I just couldn't wake up they say but I don't remember that a quick date nap people take them and then they call the ambulance cuz they don't know me well

Brian Atlasenough to oh okay all right just a powerful minutes dinner the Asian girl doesn't look anything special if I was Hammer damn bro what the [ __ ] I'd give her a 4.2 you're a gold digger I want my money back he wants his $200 back do you

Isis Hongwant a response or do you have a response to JJ Matt here no I definitely think some people might think I'm 4.2 okay but that's okay 10 out of 10 a me

Brian Atlasgirl that's why we're friends mhm yes okay from let's see you said that oh all right you guys can Bond after the show uh you said that you like to promote

Brian Atlashealthy female sexual pleasures parenthesis orgasms yes cool I like female orgasms I think guys do too like other people's or no no

Isis Hongno no I like I want every woman to know how to pleasure themselves to completion as many times as possible okay um you said you'd like to encourage girls to do more and date more to gain more

Isis Hongexperience yeah more data points otherwise your data will be skewed it's not complete okay so like you think women should be dating multiple men at the same time no that's not true I think I

Isis Hongasking a question no I I don't think so I think at this point of my life I actually do want to date one person at a time ah now you do yeah now I do but I didn't before mhm like I said I just started getting serious with this guy

Brian Atlasbut so let's talk about before you were dating multiple people at the same time were uh would you ever like sleep with multiple people at the same time no because I would be too scared of

Isis HongSTD okay I get checked like every other week I'm paranoid and anxious if you can tell abstinence too okay

Brian Atlasyeah but you would be dating then multiple people yeah going on dates like what was the most amount of I I hear this term roster right what was the biggest your roster ever was like I

Isis Hongdon't think I ever had if so there's one week I had date every single date with different menh um but they're all first dates and I didn't have second dates with any of

Isis Hongthe men and there were days where it was so there were one time on Tuesday a guy was like can I take you out tomorrow I said I'm booked up tomorrow can you do breakfast so he actually came to my work we had breakfast as a breakfast date and

Isis Hongthere's a lunch date also so it's like like I squeeze in but they never got a second date it's not no nothing physical but so you went on one date every single day of the week there there was a period

Isis Hongof my time I did that for like for more than one week I don't know like maybe couple months I don't know the specific how do you find that many guys that you

Isis Honglike enough to on where do you find where do you find those men like are they really valuable like she lives in New York City yeah she's in New York people it's true

Isis Hongif you go out you can get like four or five number if you're actually dancing with people and chatting with people do you do you have a brother just curious younger brother what how old is he six

Brian Atlasyears younger than the so he's 21 MH okay um I'm just curious do you think he has like equivalent like if he wanted to do you think he could get a date with a

Isis Honggirl girl every single day of the week no why is that does he does he ever do you ever talk to him about dating yeah do you think does he struggle first of all I want to just announce this is he's

Isis Honga very very private person and if I say anything details Tony please forgive your sister but I want to do this do we can't say anything about Tony you guys

Brian Atlaseveryone be cool you're calling by his name his address his address is U okay name and everything what

Isis Hongabout he um he likes boys and he's a little feminine yeah ever growing up I always thought that way is he by or is he gay I think he's gay okay well I can't really go this route then but um

Isis Hongif he was straight though do you think he would based on I think like he's a little on the short side and I'm kind of glad he's gay because I think as a woman I I like taller men so I would feel kind

Isis Hongof like you know wait hold on he's your brother yeah wait no like I mean for him because like if he's a guy like I feel like a lot of women would think oh he's

Isis Hongshort I wouldn't want to date him so like because he's gay I feel like it's less maybe I might be wrong but I feel like they're more lenient toward I think this I mean one of the points I was going to make with this is I feel like

Brian Atlasit's not that I feel like I know so I women definitely have dating on easy mode compared to men like I mean did you ever go on multiple dates in one day like two dates in one day three dates three dates I don't I don't remember

Brian Atlasthree but two definitely okay you've had two two days I mean like I would say very few men are able to line up like a date with a different woman every single

Brian Atlasday of the week I don't know what the percentage is but um and I was asking about your brother because I like to think about like okay well if a woman of you know based on how she looks or

Brian Atlaswhatever this this is her sexual optionality and if you look at like her brother which would be pretty close to her like what would be her looks

Brian Atlasequivalent uh I often get reports from women that they can get laid super well I mean that's a given with women get laid super easily go on date super easily but then you ask about their

Brian Atlasbrothers and their brothers are significantly struggling to date which uh is just an interesting like your looks equivalent like somebody who

Brian Atlasshares your genetics is struggling to say like it is interesting so y haveit on easy mode um let me read this from fpv flight Airborne please do an episode

Brian Atlaswith with all of the most destructive women Asian girl Desiree the blonde is super hot send me a message who's the oh there you go okay fpv flight Airborne

Brian Atlasthere's your husband there you go oh no he's in the militarys yo thank you fpv appreciate it man uh okay we have let's see you wanted to touch on daddy issues and Trauma ah

Isis Hongwe don't have to yeah let's not talk anymore but you have been in therapy for 6 years yeah yes still right you're still has it

Brian Atlashelped yeah that's it yeah okay I haven't really heard just question woman I that's a fashionable thing to do I haven't heard anybody who's like gone to

Isis Hongtherapy and actually like gotten better you know you are the average of the five people around you right so it doesn't surprise me people around you didn't get better cuz it

Shane Smithseemed like you well the average for him would be the hundreds of women he talks t a we around him okay we're not around him I'm not going to be around him after

Brian Atlasthis but you are currently I am unfortunately unfortunately why is that nothing bro I wouldn't you would have even if you offered to pay me to date you I wouldn't do that [ __ ] I don't

Brian Atlaswant to date I don't want to date you either bro you're [ __ ] crazy I know I know I know there will Mur did a [ __ ] ton of dudes I ain't about that you don't you know nothing about anything

Tamarayou're just making assumptions you told everybody that you it's all over your Tik Tok oh really everything you see online is real it sounds like something you say no you just saying that you are on Tik Tok telling about your real life

Isis Hongso that's not s you're telling by to so just because I tell stories about different men that means I had sex with many men he didn't say you had sex he didn't say you were a hor but you probably were having sex with them okay

Isis Hongmake another assumption what else do you assume about me don't get how about you talk about it that's the extent of it okay cool but I mean yeah move on you're trying to be like oh Brian really wants to [ __ ] me but gross oh I don't think

Isis Hongyou want to [ __ ] me I think I'm I know that like I accept that fact and I actually have that prediction you know I literally assumed that as soon as I saw you I was like we literally cannot be in

Shane Smiththe same room but I have to because I said yes why don't you want to be in the same room because of the way he treats women how he I don't think you said yes I think he said yes

Shane Smithwe oh okay okay he saw your Tik Tok and thought this this is awesome I got to get this girl on here and he was correct cuz this is entertaining that's true uh wait so

Brian Atlassorry uh the objection here is the way that I treat women yeah I just think that how do I treat women I don't know I just think what do you mean you just said it go ahead no I'm fine you can air your

Isis Hongcriticism I just said it I said that the way you treat women like you make her cry and you really focus on the body

SPEAKER_03hold on sorry hold on I made her cry or she cried and you well I don't really think that you're being a very nice person like I'm not going to lie that's just my opinion but I mean I don't care

SPEAKER_03if you think I'm ugly I don't care hold on did I call you ugly no but you called me delusional for thinking that I'm attractive no not for thinking you're attractive you said you were a 10 out of 10 okay then nine whatever you want me to say say it doesn't matter I don't

Brian Atlascare I didn't make I didn't say you were unattractive I didn't say any of that all I simply said because I don't I don't make a habit to actually give somebody a rating but if somebody does

Brian Atlassay they're a 10 or they're nine and it's like no offense clearly not the [Music]

Brian Atlascase2 on everything you said Brian Des plus Isis episode now we need an Isis we need an Isis oneon-one Deep dive all her social media just review all her Tik

Brian Atlastoks that's how you're going to get a Netflix deal by the way is we do a one-on-one sit down we we do a deep dive on all your Tik toks it'll take 50 hours but we'll do it got to add Shea to all right negative 200 appreciate man we

Brian Atlashave another chat here from did the girls get pre-show instructions this time about how to better answer the rateyour yourself question this is the first time they didn't all answer 10 out of 10 that authenticity is refreshing

Brian Atlaswell there's two things here one a lot of the girls most of the girls actually don't say 10 like not just this panel but all the other panels it's usually one two or three also there is a

Brian Atlastendency if the per first person this is not just for this question but any question if the first person gives an answer it's going to say Poison the Well for all the like following people so you should putting

Brian Atlason paper good idea we should good idea name taken appreciate it man um but so what I guess really quick so how do I treat women listen to them and don't question

Isis Hongtheir answer every time I say yes or no you question yeah yeah really I know are you telling the truth are you lying it's like this is a this is literally a podcast about being confrontational about that's why I'm being

Shane Smithconfrontational right [Applause] now it's it would be like if you showed up to a gym where they do Jiu-Jitsu and you're like all these people keep wrestling me this [ __ ] is crazy like

Shane Smithyou're you're literally here to to confront your opinions and ideas and bounce them go off of other people and Brian is well known for his opinions yeah it's crazy that you're surprised

Isis Hongright now I am surprised this is my first time I ever watched the podcast you didn't look it up before you came I did watch a few Clips but it doesn't represent the entirety of his certain

SPEAKER_03wording in his so hold on I called her delusional that's it and I was very very prepared for you to say some [ __ ] cuz obviously you do this every single time and I mean i' I've seen the clips and I

SPEAKER_03don't really I mean the thing is like a lot of these women I think they're all very attractive women and I obviously I'd rate them higher and I'm prepared to um to get that like cuz I basically knew that's why honestly a lot of these women

Tamaraprobably think they're more attractive than they said that they were because they knew you were going to attack them all right but we are on his podcast he has his opinion damn the adity of this man I'm so sorry if I apologize if I

Shane Smithapologize let we move on from this point cu horrible the AAC of oh my God it's like uh the point of the question of asking someone if they're a 10 of 10 and when you say women are like oh I'm I'm answering less then because I believe

Shane SmithI'm more but I don't want to get confronted that's the point of the question is to is to be confronted about your possible delusion regarding your place in society or how it perceives you

Shane Smithand he asked the question every podcast because this is a podcast about women and dating and women have a problem with how they perceive reality and he thinks it's interesting to reveal that that's

Isis Hongwhy the question is so Illuminating and entertaining for people who are watching it it is interesting to reveal but one it is not it is not good to adver

Isis Hongadvertise it is interesting to reveal but it's not good to advertise because it spreads the wrong message so it is if I'm to be on your podcast I want to spread my message what I believe in that's why regardless of question or who

Isis Honghe is or what type of podcaster he is that's my opinion yeah the aity of he gave you a platform to voice it and IED it but I don't think

Brian Atlasit is I don't think it's mistreatment or like treating a woman badly to uh disagree with them on their own assessments here like I'm not here I'm not going to kiss your ass I'm not here

Isis Hongto just co-sign and agree with everything that you say because I think for woman dulu is the Salu so we must be it's not it's not in my case it is

Tamarahonest to yourself it's not I am honest to myself you cannot call Brian a dick because it's his podcast he's still in his chair no you can call me a dick that's fine but you have your own reality go ahead I was just going to say Brian is

SPEAKER_03going to have his own opinions you're going to have his own opinions and or you're going to have your own opinions and I think it's just interesting

SPEAKER_03because sorry I just think it's interesting how I mean I I disagree with how you guys are saying oh like you're making girls cry like things like that but youro it's your choice to be offended and let it get to you I'm

SPEAKER_03overwhelmed I'm not offended I get called ugly every single day I'm not calling you ugly though call call me when I'm address the fact that I know not everybody thinks I'm attractive and

SPEAKER_03I know that as a fact I said that I said I said that I think that if I was but I do think that the average American person is not the most attractive let's go to Walmart let's go to Walmart let's look at the Walmart customers but that's

Tamaranot the point I love woman in Spong little I'm but he just said you are a little delusional he said delution

SPEAKER_03solution so a five is there's nothing going on he didn't say anything wrong all right next to yourself you said what you say I said I was a five yeah and you you know how you make your money by

Tamarabeing hot so who like I'm not going to lie like by desperate men that's how we make money I'm in the industry as well yeah and you're more attractive that's not because we are hot because we have desperate man paying us on a platform

SPEAKER_03that's how we make money I think of a 10 and I think of like Megan Fox in her prime and I'm like how do I compare to me but I didn't say that everyone thinks I'm a 10 we have to be honest we getting

Isis Hongpaid for I didn't say everyone thinks I'm a 10 I said moving it moving it on more more Isis stuff though we can move on it's been a long time on me do we have time for other

Brian Atlaspeople so I'll get through a few more notes with you then I'll get to other people here so uh let's see uh would love to share the changes I had when dating from Super clingy codependency poor uh poor emotional control and

Isis Hongalpers to mature ways too yeah whatever skip skip uh you said uh but remember that man said that his wife gets salty I've done that before Mike Davis donated

SPEAKER_08$200 when did this show become a therapy session I don't blame women they know not what they do I blame you sucker simps for blowing up mths real man works

Brian Atlason his game to earn a high level female that is what I'm talking about true there that's Mike Davis by the way yo Mike dude join our Discord Mike I'll get you a role compliment you bring me some food I'm a little hungry he he does own

Brian Atlasa bunch of Burger Kings good to see you in the chat Mike Davis hope you're having a good night uh over there on the East Coast so Isis she said more is more always date more not less each interaction is a data point that will

Isis Hongenrich you as a woman yeah like I said more experience is good you you figure out what you want is it yeah yeah what about all the like trauma though yeah it

Isis Hongis hard but trauma yeah it's true trauma that doesn't transform transmits so you will keep transmitting the trauma but if you healed you'll get stronger and

Brian Atlasthat's what I hope everybody does is heal okay uh you said you've uh how and you said you wait hold on where's the thing about serial dater oh you used to be serial dater you've had a lot of

Brian Atlasturmoil and heartbreak might seem like I'm always struggling all these heartaches gave me exposure therapy and the experience I would go through them all over again uh how long were you serial dating roster rotation whatever

Isis Hongit's not how long like I dated my ex-boyfriend and be since 18 no since 16 it's always like I already look for the next uh boyfriend already have feelings

Isis Hongfor the next person before breaking up with the current one so it was maybe like three guys back to back I didn't give give any break why do you not fight to say with one man if you are really in

Isis Honglove because I was just not love that's what love is about right fighting Contin because I didn't love myself fully I couldn't love other people even though they are really loving to me I couldn't

Isis Hongsee the value in that is probably why men do not marry you yet no it's because I didn't want to marry them cuz I don't love like I don't think I'm fully myself yet well do you think that you were sad

Shane Smithand didn't love yourself in relation to your behaviors in relation to because you're say so when you say like oh I need all these data points I should date a lot but then when I was doing that I

Isis Hongfelt worthless and I did not love myself that's would that be the opposite of that exposed the problem you know I was suffering I was like why am I suffering and I real it's because I the problem was exposed to you when like a person

Shane Smithsays hey don't just date around because it's going to be unfulfilling and ultimately hurt you you should decide what you want from an intimate relationship and just don't settle for anything less than that and

Isis Hongif someone talk to me like that do you think I would listen of course not I make the same mistake all the time again and again are you not a little bit scared because maybe you are always looking for some kind of trigger and if

Tamarayou do not have that trigger anymore you will find it somewhere else and else and else are you not a little bit scared you will never find that fulfilling trigger in your life no I think I believe in

Brian Atlasmyself all right okay good for you all right and then let's see you said monogamy isn't human nature mares it marriage has always been an exchange of power money we need to be more realistic

Isis Hongdon't marry potential yeah so what do you what do you mean by don't marry I think that until this guy has proven that he can financially support me and my future children and our lifestyle I

SPEAKER_03won't marry them okay even if they have the potential to earn down the road yeah potential isn't real you're underestimating the power of like what a couple can achieve I agree I agree with

Isis Hongyou on that and if you pass up on a guy before he has reached or prior to him reaching that point you could be passing up on a millionaire but at the same time there

Tamaracould be a lot of people that match what I like and then fits all the criteria why do I have to S potential is not real but you believe in your own potential to be a billionaire so why is that man

Tamaraalways so wrong in your eyes but it's not real would you believe in your own potential you probably go home light a candle thank God for this podcast and your potential but you say a man doesn't have potential men have potential I

Isis Hongdidn't potential I didn't say men don't have potential I'm saying I want the men who already got their bag that does the money matter you could be missing out on an amazing God I could get an amazing

Isis Hongman who already have money but why would he want you because you're not there yet matter because you can find someone who's compatible to you that you might think is trash you know like but the kind of man who would listen to you say

Shane Smiththis on a podcast and be like I'm going to marry that girl do you think he would treat you very well or that's your opinion because you have that's from your perspective it is my perspective that's why I'm talking you

Isis Hongabout because they they yeah exactly so I think there are guys who I think are compatible to me and watch this podcast will be okay because this is me I can't

SPEAKER_08change where I am he made have F don't say things or pretend GI donated $200 thank you GI any man that would marry any of the prostitutes on here absent

SPEAKER_08complete repentance is a zero not every in the world is wealthier than someone that wife's a proud prostitute not everybody is a prostitute mayor CKU thank you for the

Brian Atlasuh TTS there man really appreciate it good to see you in the chat and now I'm glad we fixed the whole Giovani TTS robot naming thing uh okay and so you

Isis Hongmonogamy isn't human nature I think it's hard it takes discipline you're for you for everybody it's just against nature I think for men

Isis Hongfor women I think they're both hard I think a lot of people temped have you ever not been monogamous no I've always been monogamous but there's been hardship like there were dry times we don't I have passion anymore and I don't

Tamaraknow what to do and but if you really are in love as a woman if I'm in love I only see one person there's one person in my head my eyes that my body is attract to there is nobody else if

Isis Hongyou're really in love there's just one man one feeling like there a woman right mhm so how does that work to have multiple men in your life then I if you really in love if we talk about love I

Isis Hongdon't I don't fall in love with them I go on first date with different men I don't understand what you're talking about no if you're like really in love you want to like a little bit monogamous relationship I just think monogamy is hard and I think people have to put hard Works into monogamy that's why I'm

Isis Hongsaying it's against nature that's why there's a lot of divorce rate and it take that's why I want the perfect man because I don't want to when they want to divorce him for for some dumb reason you know because I dat dated someone for

Shane Smith5 years he's wonderful and and I don't know why this passion was lost so sometimes love is gone you don't know why that's all relationships the passion

Shane Smithes and flow exactly so that's that's why the commitment is compability you know I think it's not compatibility it's commitment both right you have to have the same value it's commit well you have

Shane Smithto have the same values for sure but you have to commit it's not about compa the right person no the right person is the person you choose yes you know who you should be there's nothing else needed if

Tamarayou choose them they're the right men for her I don't know you know who you should be dating Donald Trump you know no Johnny Sins because he can do everything every job every everything

Brian Atlasyou should be dating him would be perfect oh my God that man can do everything uh last thing that we do have a few more notes from Isis but we're going to come back to them a little bit

Brian Atlaslater Nick can you pull up uh Isis I Isis Instagram yeah CA uh this is It's kind of I'm I'm not trying to throw

Shane Smithshade Isis but it's like two different worlds like your Tik Tok and then your Instagram it's it's crazy it's crazy let me know when you got it pulled up I'm so

Brian Atlasexcited right now so it's like Instagram no idea what's about versus reality but not like appearance it's it's not about appearance it's like like you look it pull it up scroll down she could be

Brian Atlashunting people on here I would believe it so like scroll down like you look at your Instagram and like I kind of think like

Brian Atlasyou look at it and it's it's kind very aesthetic very nice it's like kind these photos they're great I I kind

Brian Atlasof look I'm like oh it's kind she looks sweet and wholesome and nice good photos good picture like nice girl family girl yeah I mean there's a couple

Brian Atlasthat are a bit questionable but like look oh here's you with some actually there's with some sunflowers keep going yeah keep going beautiful bait though look look at all this floral the floral photos you know

Brian Atlaslook oh here's you with some photos look eating a hamburger look at the photo pictures very wholesome it' be very unassuming if I saw this I'm like is that the red dress you weren't allowed

Brian Atlasto wear no oh okay never mind like oh six pack okay there you go doing a little oh wait it is the B yes it is and uh oh sex is okay she lost she lost me

Brian Atlasat the sex's back uh but pretty wholesome overall you know un assuming and then it's like I look at your you know like you you'd think maybe like

Brian Atlascute not a thought I'm sorry I'm sorry um but bro then you see the Tik Tok I'm sorry Isis I'm sorry no don't I'm say it's a cold world out there gentlemen you got to be careful even unassuming

Brian Atlaswomen they got some stories I don't understand what's the difference between my my we must stay focused Brothers we must stay focused well cuz like then you start talking about like the dating stories

Isis Hongbecause those pictures actually were taken years ago it was when I was in college it was way so I posted way later because I always wanted to be a content creator so I was in LA for a while staying there for at least 8 month and

Isis Honggot a photo shoot and did a lot of things and I never posted them because I wanted my grid to be perfect and I always like oh it has to be red it has to be red I just could never figure it out and years later I had this

Isis Hongheartbreak with this guy was dating and I was like what am I doing wasting my time crying over boy like let me do something just for myself and I decided to post them all at once and tip you cannot post more than 300 Instagram

Isis Hongphoto in an hour like they'll block you so I did that for like several days and I posted Everything at Once that's why it's old but on Tik Tok it's my new Journey because I so you got hurt by a

Isis Hongmen and then you decided to hurt men back that's an interesting that's not the point and I don't understand what you're saying so we can move on there okay let me get let me get into some of

Brian Atlasthe uh other notes Here uh let's see but we will pull up some of her she's got some pretty interesting and entertain entertaining excuse me um what's it

Brian Atlascalled uh stories and videos and stuff we do have Alexa we already talked about your boyfriend who yeah I honestly

SPEAKER_03there's not much more to say uh oh so you do traditional corn content um no I actually don't I'm I when I graduate I probably will but for right now I'm not able to fly all the

SPEAKER_03time because I am in college but you will eventually have you but you've done scenes with guys right yes how many different men have you done scenes with well so when I first started I would do content only with boyfriends like obviously like men are not usually really opposed to that because they're

SPEAKER_03if they're they're fine with only fans in general then they're fine with that usually but um MH no I started moving more towards like filming with content creators uh probably around uh January

SPEAKER_03and now I do it every single at least for my summer break I've been going every month to Vegas to Miami to Vegas Miami La all these places um doing collabs and yeah how many so how many

Brian Atlasdifferent men have you done scenes with um probably like 10 maybe 10 different guys how many double scenes have you done cuz you can shoot multiple scenes with uh I don't think I've shot

Brian Atlaswith people more than once oh okay uh in your notes here you said men hook up with date women to receive validation from other men and care more about how their peers see them than the woman

SPEAKER_03women than the woman I might have just there with did I send that yesterday or two days ago cuz I might I it might have been older like I found probably was really old so do you no longer believe that I I agree I think that a lot of the

SPEAKER_03time in college especially like guys like I'm like bro like y'all are no way y'all are into the the cooch this much like I swear y'all like just do it like

Brian Atlascooch like they don't want you know what I mean wait you think guys really aren't about the [ __ ] they just want to look cool to their friends both think a lot of you would be

Shane Smithsurprised how many men have been with you and told zero people ever not out of embarrassment not out of anything just because they're it why would it matter why would they tell any because their Bros are like yeah bro yeah nice bro

Shane Smiththat's actually not how dudes are at all don't you think this is actually like this is what women do and they actually project it dude firstly if you've ever had a girlfriend or whatever and you look in her girl group chat if

Shane Smithif one of them sleeps with a guy his photo's in there they're all talking about it asking about it if a guy that in my group chat I'd be like gay get

Shane Smiththat out of here oh sorry I did a to my bad I did a to but that's very true if a dude tried to post a girl he hooked up with in the boys group chat I'd be like

Brian Atlaslame let's talk about something cool what are you doing I mean I it' be embarrassing so Shane I'll ask you I mean I don't know about you but i' it's definitely the case like if a girl just

Brian Atlasone time sleeps with a guy the whole friend group knows here's photos here's his dick size here's all these details whereas like I true I could be boyfriend

Shane Smithgirlfriend with a girl yeah and nobody [ __ ] I don't want any of my guy to know about my girl ever even if I'm just hooking up with her me that's M away and

Shane Smiththen like uh if a girl like sends you nudes I would never share that [ __ ] mil never show it in a million years check out this no way that's for me I don't even like knowing if she took them

Isis Hongbefore and sent me an old one those are just for me forever that's not the only way to show off because for example if I'm a guy and I date you and you're beautiful you're a tent I would want to show you off to a friend just by being

Brian Atlaswith you you know what I mean I think you could be ugly and they'd still do like yeah exactly you doesn't have to send each other you can just dude you don't want to show off here's the difference right you're also a lot older than me I'm in college like these

Brian Atlascollege boys I've dated frap guys and I've seen their group chats well sure there's FR guys they have a specific reputation okay well I was in college once and even

Tamarawhen I was in college I was doing [ __ ] it's woman I definitely because I think as a woman we are insecure so you're like oh my God speak yourself yeah there's no I don't think there's any

Tamaradat we are a little bit insecure so we tell our friends hey what do you like this guy talks about this and this and oh my God he doesn't post me on Instagram I want to be seen I want to be show off so I feel safe that he's not

Shane Smithhave any secrets about me and stuff like that so I just think it's I I have had contentious arguments in relationships because girls are in group chats sending

Shane Smitheach other photos of dudes they've been with and bragging and asking questions and I think it's wildly in apprpriate I want to date someone who would do that if your best friend is like who did you hook up with let me see him and all so like that sucks I don't want to date

SPEAKER_03someone like that's gross I mean this is all our personal experiences I just like cuz think about you know men are so they're so horny all the time and I'm like damn no way y'all's like y'all are this thirsty compared to women like I

Shane Smiththink it's a lot of for validation we are men are men are touching themselves while they're driving do you understand like there's no we it's so I think it's so dramatic it's so and I because they

Brian Atlaswant validation well uh going back to this Shane so um I don't know about you but like let's say you went out on a date with a girl and your buddy happens to know that you went out with a girl or

Brian Atlassomething like I don't know about you but my conversation with a male friend would be like he might be like oh hey Brian how'd it go with Tiffany I'd be like good yeah we could have hooked up we could whatever that's it oh yeah it

Brian Atlaswas good man that's it I'm not going to say like get into details and talk about the sex with a dude that's the last thing I'm going to share I don't know if I'm an outlier if I'm just discreet I would

Shane Smithnever share any of that info with a with a girl look at me or sorry with a male friend look at me I am friends with a lot of degenerate disgusting men like dudes who are up to horrible things we

Shane Smithdo not talk about that stuff it's it's weird it would be embarrassing to me if a male friend tried to be like dude I was with her this is what it was like I'd be like what are you doing right now wait a second let me ask you this

Isis Hongquestion you guys keep talking about but first you said that your experience is you're not type that type of guy I agree with you but you bring up an interesting point you say you know scumbags and even they wouldn't do that okay that's wrong

Isis Honghave you heard of the burning Sun incident you what the burning Sun incident up burning Sun incident it's famous people group of guys do you know Big Bang K-pop what are you going to bring it up

Isis Hongare you discussing revenge porn right now no I'm not revenge porn this group of guys celebrities they actually have a secret chat room where they sign each news girls they drugged girls they

Isis Hongvolunt involuntary or voluntary into the chat room and this is hundreds of people and this has happened all kinds of countries this burnning scient is a BBC documentary you should all check it out aren't you the one who the men in the

Brian Atlasclub she let me finish she's talking about her experience so it's valid there are guy who do that to show off to text with among each other you got to understand me and Shane are not making the argument that no men do that there's

Isis Hongobviously guys that like share like kind of stuff say scum I'm just saying please acknowledge the scumbags of the world okay oh there's evil people doing bad stuff but I would say generally speaking

Brian Atlassure there's men who do this I think it actually manifests itself much more in women I mean there's no like no there is evidence I think they've actually studied that I don't

Shane Smithknow if there studies up I don't think how many how many times have you guys been on a date and before before you went on the date you sent a photo of the guy to a girlfriend no never you don't go on date

Brian Atlasi s guy the photo I have I have a good one I have a good one okay how many of you have disclosed to either a female friend or even a female acquaintance the size of a guy's penis who you hooked up

Brian Atlaswith raise your hands no no no be honest be honest be honest Shane have you ever disclosed the [ __ ] [ __ ] SI the labia size of of a girl you

Brian Atlas[ __ ] up with to a male friend that doesn't matter P matter [ __ ] matter it matters matter # I only day wiwi with

SPEAKER_03large size size BR size got my I think if a girl had something meable they might say something to the I said I think the same way that a girl if

SPEAKER_03if the guys if it's real memorable maybe they'll say something I would never say something if it a normal penis but I think if a girl had something really memorable or something really crazy happened the guy would be just as likely to say I mean if she had like if if she

Shane Smithgot naked and you're like dude she didn't have one of her legs like that would be like something she had an extra leg I mean i' I've encountered like interesting sexual things like if she

Brian Atlasbit you or like barked at you you'd probably say like the story like the but most like a lot of men are going to feel like a type of way like if you're talking about his genitals that's way different than like an anecdote that any

Brian Atlaslike anybody could bite you right so I don't think anybody would like if he bit you and you told somebody like it's not discreet but it's not like super intimate information necessarily

Brian Atlasalthough there are I still think I still think it's but like for example I've encountered I've encountered women who are like crazily multi-orgasmic who come instantly I would never tell a male

SPEAKER_03friend that but you're also a lot older than me and I how is that okay cool these because a lot of these it it is mature thing definitely and that's why I mean I'm a college girl I deal with the college boys and that's what they do

Brian Atlaswell I don't know if like younger guys are more getting more like feminine or whatever but like at least for me i' I've always been discreet with the girls I date like it's for me it's just a respect thing I ain't tell it's

Brian Atlasdisrespectful but care women do that [ __ ] all the time well it's disrespectful when they do it too I've just never I haven't experienced that it's not I don't think it's viewed like when y'all are with your girlfriends and you're like sharing all these intimate

Brian Atlasdetails about like some new guy you hooked up with you don't none of none of the women in the group are like whoa this is kind of like sharing really intimate details but guess what women experience shame people shame women for

Shane Smithhaving sex people do not shame men for having sex celebr they do I think they do but I would also like to point out that you are a um an adult worker yeah and so when men sleep with you I think a

SPEAKER_03lot of the time it's a conqu when but you've been doing you've been doing that before since you were 18 um yes but I'm not going to lie didn't really do that when but like I that's a recent thing

Shane Smithcollabing with people but still if you are if you if you do if you're ANW or whatever and and someone hooks up with you then you're more likely by virtue of the line of work and stuff to attract

SPEAKER_03the type of scumbag man who would be like yo check this girl's Instagram she does this and I just H up with her I I see them do it with other girls too like my friends all these other I think it's I don't think it's necessarily just me you know what I mean just slip them in

Brian Atlastheir face when they do I guess to go back really quick and then mve on to a new topic you said that men hook up with date women to receive validation from other men and care more about how their peer see them than the women they are with um and I think I sent that a long

Brian Atlastime ago that's fine so I mean maybe this is true but I I do think I mean well at least I think maybe the penel agrees disagrees I do think it's a far more frequent occurrence in women for example I think women are much more

SPEAKER_03likely to seek out the cosign from their friends on the guy than the reverse but like I said like I like women are sh like you you come on here and I I've seen you ask girls what's your body count it's a it's shameful it's sh

SPEAKER_03people you're it's it's meant to be like oh your body count is higher than wait don't you Hold ons but sorry I got to interrupt you here let me engage you precisely on this

SPEAKER_03so you object to me shaming women for their body count which I don't really think I do well I it's meant to be asked because you say like oh like I think pretty sure you ask like oh like or I don't know does it matter it matters or

SPEAKER_03something that sure we talk about body count ask the question is it's you would never ask a man and then shame them for it actually well actually I'm I've said this multiple times on the podcast nobody cares about a man's body count

Brian Atlaswell hold on I've said this multiple multiple times on the podcast I'm actually not in favor of male promiscuity either I'm not either I don't do hookup I just do it for my job right but so hold on so are you do you have trouble with me shaming women or do

Isis Hongyou have trouble with you think there's a double standard I think that there is a double standard and it may not necessarily be from you but from everyone I've just stated though that I object to promiscuity too do you know another podcast that ask men their body

Shane Smithcount hosted by a woman if you want to start guys we guys Daddy call her D call her daddy guys be [ __ ] I'm good friends call her daddy bring on both men

Shane Smithmen and women equally but you guys bring out only girls you you say guys we thought is first my friend Karan Fisher runs that podcast I'm close friends with her we dated she literally it's a

Shane Smithpodcast about people she [ __ ] and people who are promiscuous it's a the anti-s [ __ ] shaming podcast she literally has men on there to talk about how [ __ ] they are that's the whole

Isis Hongpremise of the show do they also bring women on and equally I mean they talk to women about not sex too they talk about a lot of Gossip a lot of women a lot of female female go on those podcasts it's not about targeting it's not about

Isis Hongtargeting men but this is about targeting women podcast a men date too I'm on here I'm a man talking about do you know see proportions but why is it wrong for a man to ask

Isis Hongabout body count but it's okay for a woman to ask about a man's bank account I'm not account bank account or anything that's not everyone I don't know I always ask bank account information if

Brian Atlasyou don't want to that's not you got my point right yeah that's a W for uh yeah um wait hold on so where where where did this come from

Brian Atlastalking so you're like well you shame the women blah blah blah well I'm not favor of male promise cuy either I think it's different but I think they're both I mean I think can do we can get into that but you said you said hookup

Brian Atlasculture ruins dating I think it does annoying because no one wants to commit anymore so if hookup culture is bad hookup culture would be proxy for promiscuity promiscuity is proxy for

Brian Atlashaving a high body count so how are we going if you object to hookup culture we're not going to hold on hold on well most people will say they object

Brian Atlasto hook hookup culture but if you start shaming female sexuality and promiscuity all of a sudden there a problem there's no way we're going to be able to legislate women to not [ __ ] a bunch of

Brian Atlasdudes so the only solution to hookup culture is by shaming female sexuality and promiscuity I think adults can do what they want to do and personally but okay then if you can just do whatever

SPEAKER_03you want to do but hookup culture bad how do you solve hookup culture I don't like hookup culture I don't partake in it I do it for my I guess I do so you don't want to see the world improve I mean so I think that it ruins dating because personally like I am even before

SPEAKER_03I did adult content it was very frustrating because it's like bro like I'll like every nobody I feel like nobody's in relationships I feel like it's all just hook up hook up hook up hook up easy sex okay so why don't we shame men and women who engage in promiscuous Behavior because I mean I

SPEAKER_03don't know I feel like what would be wrong with that I feel like if they're they're going to do it if they're going to do it and they're like I mean if they want okay people are going to sell drugs and commit all sorts of crimes but like I I'm not doing we should try to like

SPEAKER_03want to and I am and adults are allowed to make those decisions for themselves I don't want to do it can I say something or let's let shame go then I'll have you come shame is shame is something that

Shane Smithyou is a power you give to someone else to give to you like if if I'm Mormon and I drink coffee and someone sees it I will feel shame but if you drink coffee do you care at all no and so when he

Shane Smithsays what's your body count and you feel like you're being shamed I'll tell you right now I mean I don't know my you don't have to I don't care she can tell oh yeah I mean yeah actually what am I talking about the whole show my bad I don't I really genuinely don't know but

Shane Smithbut but if he asks women who come on this podcast what's your body count and you think that he is shaming them why if the body count doesn't matter then they should just powerfully say this and then

Shane Smithwhatever and then just move on because their sexuality is theirs it doesn't belong to Brian Brian's opinion doesn't affect them but everyone seems to feel really weird and awkward about it because it's almost like sex is really

SPEAKER_03intimate and beautiful and essential of The Human Experience it's done to I think try to like embarrass women and like I said I don't really care about body count personally I am do adult content and so like it doesn't really

Brian Atlasmatter to me as much but um I don't know I I actually um if a girl reveals her body count on the show and it's high I have Absol typically like no reaction

SPEAKER_03even if it's high I'm pretty much just like okay I mean okay I mean it doesn't really matter I think it's not about embarrassing them I conversation when you're like an adult especially the older you get I feel like the less it matters it's more of like a immature thing I think what do you mean an

SPEAKER_03immature thing cuz it's like I don't know like think about like I mean to you mean immature to care about body gun yeah I think it is kind of cuz I mean the more the older you get the more experience you get and it's like the

Maddiemore like I think that if you care about it it's because like I mean it's I think it's immature I think that it's immature I think it get convoluted I don't think it's that we care about body count I

Maddiethink it's it's the what happens to you because of the high body count right like you have think some people may view it as a loyalty issue sometimes it's terrible and you're messed up because of it yeah

Tamarago ahead go ahead all right it's going to sound a little bit harsh but I do not mean it that way we are both born Stars right we work do you do do you do content with other people though I did

Tamaraone movie the guy that told you but I think as a porn star if we look honestly at ourselves we cannot say we are against hookup culture if that's

Tamaraliterally our job I don't do any kind of stuff outside of content though I I've never been you hook up with men and which you do not want to be judged by it I do not judge you at all I don't care if people judge me for it's my job but

Tamarayou cannot say I do not like it when you do it for a living but it's like different I like cuz I'm a Rel person like I do not like it and do it for a living that's very like I'm a relationship understand that we have to

SPEAKER_03be honest yourself we're doing poor we cannot say I do not like it and do it I mean I don't want to I don't do it I've never done it outside of content I don't really like it I mean not all car

SPEAKER_03mechanics like being car mechanics right I'm okay I'm I'm I'm not saying that there are people in the industry who don't like it I'm just saying you could do it and not like it if you do it for a living hooking up for

Shane Smitha living and making a movie you cannot say I do not like it I feel like the point is less that and more that you can't be a car mechanic and then be like dang all these cars on the road all this time I hate it here you can't complain

Isis Hongabout the atmosphere because I do think a lot of Shame are put upon women by men and it's societal and it's caused by patriarchy that's what I think and to your point you think shame is you giving your power away to someone else I don't

Isis Hongthink that's true because as human being we unconsciously care about what other people think so in order to fit into society unconsciously we feel shame because everybody's opinion affect us so

Isis Hongwhen you call us peris priscu and when you use a negative term to describe someone who you perceiv like like for instance short like for instance the

Isis Hongword short yeah well like if I'm so I just think that that's not true okay I don't know you interrupted my thought and I just like farted go ahead keep my my brain just farted if we would have

Isis Hongwoman ruining the world we would just definitely be by Men A lot of times and women who couldn't you know I think you what's actually I I what's actually wrong with Shame Shame make progress

Brian Atlasshame and guilt actually stall your progress posi so for example like if

Brian Atlasnegative negative uh if actions contribute to uh negative World outcomes or like starts breaking down Society

Brian Atlaslike how do you actually start defending against that without like passing laws the only way you have is Social pressure and shame like so unless we're prepared

Brian Atlasto legislate like okay enforced monogamy which is never going to happen really the only way that you're going to be able to combat promis in both men and women is to shame promiscuity in men and

Shane Smithwomen technically we have Force monogamy because polygam is illegal yeah maybe we shouldn't have monogamy that's what I'm saying more so like um but that proves your point yeah so

Shane Smithyeah you have to shame people out of the bad thing polygamy which is a practice that destroys communities and you know drives men to commit suicide and it has all kinds of other problems but like

Brian Atlasanyway I grew up in Utah so polygamist are all over the place but um yeah it's bad so shame is makes sense uh chart 166 sorry I didn't get to this immediately this came in about six minutes ago yo uh

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Brian Atlascloven thank you for the prime appreciate it guys thank you thank you all right uh so where were we questions uh about Instagrams and stuff um that's what I don't know if you have

Brian Atlasany more going to we I think I have a bit more um okay let's see you said you date submissive men we already took about that hookup culture bad you said you likely disagree with the host on most things yeah I mean I I don't know I

SPEAKER_03feel like that's been pretty obvious throughout the but you both agree that hookup culture is bad I mean I personally for me I don't like it I'm I'm a such a love love girl so I just want like a boyfriend and obviously that

SPEAKER_03doing my job makes that difficult but there's someone for everyone so sure there will be someone for me are there any specific things that you disagree on that I can engage with on quickly or no I think we've already been talking about

SPEAKER_03all of them okay uh question do you make guys wait for sex um well I'm not going to lie I haven't dated any guys in a long time

SPEAKER_03but I do wait a little bit so say a guy who wants to date you mhm and you like him mhm would you make him wait for sex

SPEAKER_03not like really not the 12 the 12 dates but like maybe like a second or a third second or third okay I feel you can read the I feel like you can read the room and tell like this is going to go somewhere versus what they are looking

Brian Atlasfor if they just want to hook up you can usually read their and you said that you're a good girlfriend and you like spoiling men oh I guess I did I don't remember in your voice note that you

SPEAKER_03sent like yesterday yeah I definitely I definitely do do that I love that I love giving gifts and I love like spending time and would you uh continue to do

SPEAKER_03like if you're dating a guy you be doing scenes with men so it depends if I was to date somebody that also does content I would say they don't they're then I would it maybe I would stop but the thing is it's like how serious is it

SPEAKER_03like how like you know what I mean like there are guys that I'll like and I'm like oh I like this guy but I'm like realistically I don't think this would work out okay um so I wouldn't stop it for them but I feel like maybe if there was somebody that was really serious

SPEAKER_03with it like they they were expressing like oh like yeah like I think this like like like I like you a lot but like maybe like but um like I would you'd have to stop maybe I would but or maybe

SPEAKER_03just do content with them like I don't think I would stop content outright but okay uh unless they were really rich and just could like not cuz I like being a very independent person I have I like having my own money I like supporting

SPEAKER_03myself so if they were able to do that but then it would also put me in a position where I feel vulnerable because I don't have my own stream of income okay what was your question um I was

SPEAKER_03going to say so what is hookup culture to you um kind of like how people just like go on the the Tinder late at night they're like come over baby girl and

Shane Smiththen they're like yeah Mama I'm coming over like that's like like that stuff so I mean I don't know there's a lot hookup culture is isn't just it's like the next level where like you don't even know

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