Men INSECURE About Body Count?! NYC Gold Digger Has Roster Of SIMPS?! | Dating Talk #187

Date: 2024-08-14

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

TTamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)>

VVivian (DT187)>

AAlexa (DT187)>

MMaddie (DT187)>

DDominica (DT187)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Maddie(guest)

SPEAKER_03(guest)

SPEAKER_05Isis Hong(guest)

SPEAKER_08(audience)

SPEAKER_10Lauren Kofi(guest)

SPEAKER_11Shane Smith(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Tamara(guest)

Key Moments

IntroJaspachy introduces herself: 25yo Las Vegas content creator/OnlyFans

“Hi guys I'm just pachy I'm 25 I currently live in Las Vegas Nevada and I'm a full-time content creator streamer and I do only fan.”

IntroIsis Hong introduces herself: 27yo NYC software engineer/TikToker, born China, Korean parents

“Hi my name is Isis ... I'm 27 ... I do TikTok my username is Isis Hong ... I'm also a software engineer. I got a degree in Biochemistry and computer science. Born in China (Korean parents), moved to Seattle at 15, college at 16.”

IntroTamara introduces herself: Dutch Jessica Rabbit, 28, Netherlands, content creator/student

“Hi my name is Tamara better known as the Dutch Jessica Rabbit I'm from the Netherlands ... I'm 28 I'm an adult industry content creator and I'm also a student studying legal administration.”

IntroLauren Kofi introduces herself: 30yo singer-songwriter/model/actress, Nottingham/London, Blue Therapy

“I'm Lauren Kofi I'm a singer songwriter model and actress ... from Nottingham but I live in London age 30. Was on Blue Therapy.”

IntroShane Smith introduces himself: 37yo Utah comedian, ex-motorcycle club member

“I'm Shane Smith I'm 37 I'm from Utah and I'm a comedian. Grew up with stepfather in motorcycle club, got full sleeves and neck tattoos at 18. I am out.”

Key MomentJaspachy reveals she married at 18, divorced Marine husband after 5 years; he cheated with her best friend

“I am single ... my longest relationship was 5 years ... I got married at 18 out of high school. He said he didn't love me while we were married ... there was infidelity ... he cheated with my best friend.”

Key MomentTamara reveals she had labiaplasty; describes them as extremely large, painful, and brought photos

“I got [labiaplasty] ... they were dead big they removed on each side ... it looks like a dick when I wore a bikini that is how big they were ... I have pictures.”

Key MomentIsis argues Brian is selfish for not wanting marriage since he can get all benefits without it

“If you're selfish and can't convince you to do something unless there's a value I'm providing ... fundamentally if you're selfish you can't be convinced... the only way is if she's a billionaire.”

QuoteBrian states the only scenario where he'd get married: if she's a billionaire

“Yeah that's the scenario in which I'll get married ... if she's a billionaire I will marry her.”

Key MomentSelf-rating round: guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7s). Isis: 6. Jaspachy: 10. Lauren: 8-10. Dominica: 5. Maddie: 5. Brian: 5.

“Starting with Isis what... six. [SPEAKER_03]: five in the US two in European countries... six. [Lauren/SPEAKER_10]: in Texas I'm an eight but in California a six... I'm a 10 sometimes as a model. Brian: five.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she asked a man for a $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition for second date; he complied; later had threesome with him and his girlfriend

“He said what designer do you like I said I like Tiffany but I don't like silver ... Buy me something ... about $2,500 ... and that was my first and only threesome — with him and his girlfriend, on my birthday.”

ControversyBrian calls Isis a "certified gold digger" after learning about bracelet demand and roster behavior

“She is a certified gold digger. She grabs dude's dicks within minutes of meeting them but she claims to have a low body count. It doesn't really add up.”

Key MomentBody count round: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputes); SPEAKER_03 mix: 3 and <10; Shane declines (>11)

“Jaspachy: probably like 30ish which is very low for somebody in that ... does porn ... four of those are from this week. Isis: less than 10. [SPEAKER_03]: less than 10 / three. Shane: 11 ... I won't be saying [exact number] at all.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she measured men's penis size on first dates; had 9-inch experience; doesn't need men for orgasms

“I always know [the size] because I measure it ... I don't want men to fool me. He was 9 [inches] ... for someone so handsome he's really not good at sex. If he can't get me off I have my vibrator.”

QuoteIsis TikTok video read aloud: viral "if you wanted to you would" video about staying with wrong partners

“It's not that if he wanted to he would, it's that if you wanted to you would. If you wanted to find a man that treats you the way you want to be treated you would. The problem was never them, it has always been you.”

QuoteShane says he'd like to return for a deeper conversation about the porn industry

“I'd love to. I'd like to... I would love to talk more about the porn industry like in a fair question that I'm always doing.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and announcements

Brian Atlas opens the show, standard platform announcements: Streamlabs, Twitch, merch, Discord, TTS triggers, BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit joke.

Guest introductions (round 1) — name, age, location, occupation

All guests introduce themselves in order: Jaspachy (25, Las Vegas, content creator/OnlyFans), Isis Hong (27, NYC, software engineer/TikToker), Tamara (28, Netherlands, content creator/student), Vivian (18, Orinda CA, music intern), Lucy (19, LA, student), Alexa (21, Baltimore, OnlyFans/student), Maddie (27, Dallas, deaf thrift store), Lauren Kofi (30, London, singer/model/actress), Shane Smith (37, Utah, comedian), Dominica (22, LA, cosmetology student). Extended discussion of Tamara's Netherlands background, red light district school trips, labiaplasty.

Relationship status round

Brian asks each guest current relationship status, longest relationship, how long single. Jaspachy: single 2.5yr, divorced Marine husband (cheated with best friend), now celibate. Isis: casually seeing someone ~2-3 months, not yet had sex with him. Tamara: single (brief 2-month thing earlier); does not do one-night stands. Vivian: single ~9 months, on-and-off guy for 7 months. Lucy: single. Alexa: single ~1.5yr (ex had Grindr + another girlfriend). Maddie: relationship 1yr 2mo. Lauren: single 1+ year. Shane: married October prior. Dominica: single ~4 months.

Tamara's labiaplasty and OnlyFans discussion

Tamara shares she had a labiaplasty (labia were extremely large, caused pain). Brought photos. Brian's BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit discussed. Shane defends all body types. Discussion of Tamara continuing OnlyFans until financially stable; Shane challenges whether she will find traditional man while doing adult content.

Marriage debate — should men get married?

Extended panel discussion on whether men should get married. Brian lays out financial/legal risks (prenup limitations, community property, divorce attorney costs). Guests attempt to convince Brian. Isis argues Brian is selfish; Brian says he would marry a female billionaire. Tamara argues marriage is about love and commitment, not fear of cheating. Jaspachy argues risks go both ways; references her military marriage experience. Discussion of taking husband's last name — split opinions.

Feminist/patriarchy questions

Quick round: who considers themselves a feminist? (none raised hands). Brief discussion of patriarchy in context of marriage traditions.

Self-rating round (looks 1-10, no 7s)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (no 7s allowed), starting with Isis. Isis: 6. Jaspachy: rated herself 10 (oscillating). Lauren: 8-10 (model). Dominica: 5 in US, 2 in Europe. Maddie: 5. Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: 5-6. Brian: 5. Extended tangent on Jaspachy's 10 self-rating and whether she's the most attractive at table.

Will you look better in 10 years?

Brian asks each guest if they'll be more attractive in 10 years. Isis: yes to all ages until death. Tamara: yes at 38, maybe 48, no after 58. Lauren: same/slightly better for a few years then decline. Dominica: better at 32, then plateau. Brian gave himself 5/10; Shane says he was better looking when younger.

Musical chairs / panel reshuffle

Brief segment: chairs rearranged when Isis moves or leaves briefly. Show notes section begins.

Height preferences

Brian asks each guest: how tall are you and minimum height for a partner? Isis: 5'3", used to require 6ft but now dating shorter man. Tamara: wears heels, doesn't judge height if he has dominant energy. Multiple guests: 5'2-5'3" heights, minimum ~4'11 to 5'6". Shane: doesn't care about height in a partner. Brian: 5'7".

Pre-show notes: Isis Hong deep-dive

Brian reviews Isis's Instagram and TikToks. Isis's request for $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition of second date — she got it, and later had a threesome with him and his girlfriend (her only threesome). Panel debates whether this is sex work. Discussion of Isis's roster period (a first date every day for 2+ months). Brian calls her a certified gold digger; Isis defends authenticity. Isis outed her brother as gay on show (name: Tony). She mentions $200k/year income requirement for men.

Tiffany bracelet / gold-digger / sex-work debate

Panel debates whether Isis getting a $2,500 bracelet from a date constitutes sex work. Tamara says world is transactional. Isis denies it was sex work (sex came much later). Shane argues it's similar to sex work by analogy. Discussion of women having easy mode dating vs men's difficulty.

Body count discussion — does it matter?

Extended panel discussion on body count. Does it matter for relationships? Brian says men prefer lower body count. Shane: high body count affects how people want to date you (not inherent worth). Female guests push back — shame vs double standard. Body counts revealed: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputed); Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: "less than 10" and "3." Shane: declined, >11.

Insecurity about body count — men's perspective

Brian argues it's not insecurity to prefer low body count partners. Jaspachy accuses Brian of shaming women. Shane notes no man has ever wished his girlfriend had more partners. Discussion of hookup culture and whether it benefits women. Alexa discussion of ex-boyfriend (bisexual, had another girlfriend).

Adult content industry and relationships

Panel discusses whether women who do OnlyFans can be in monogamous relationships. Jaspachy says filming is professional, not intimate — boyfriend is consensual. Shane challenges what "commitment" means if partner films with others. Tamara adds perspective from her experience in adult content. Brian: girlfriend who does porn = she's cheating on him if he can't also see others.

Child support, abortion rights, and bodily autonomy

Brian frames asymmetry: women can get abortions, men always pay child support. Should men have legal paternal surrender (opt out of child support)? Extended back-and-forth with SPEAKER_03 guests. Tamara: Netherlands requires both men and women to register for potential draft. Isis argues forced military conscription is worse than abortion bans. Panel mostly agrees women should be drafted if they want equality.

TikTok reaction: Isis Show Season 1 and 2

Brian plays and reacts to Isis's TikTok videos. Videos about orgasms/followers, rotation-era sadness, men not getting her off, going to the mall hoping to see her ex, heartbreak vulnerability. Tamara and panel comment on authenticity vs performing for content. Isis defends truth-telling approach. Panel reaches rare consensus on one of her videos about staying with wrong partners.

Show wrap-up and final thoughts

TTS roast section (10 minutes, $30 threshold). Chat calls Isis "most despicable woman" and "CCP plant." Tamara and Brian banter about going on a date (he declines due to OnlyFans). Shane says he'd love to come back. Isis leaves slightly early. Brian does outro, thanks panel, announces next show Sunday 5pm Pacific.

Transcript

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Lauren Kofiokay so you're 30 not better looking at 40 then no a few more wrinkles in a bit and then were you better looking at 20 as compared to now at 30 no probably the same or maybe a bit more like womanly

SPEAKER_03now so okay yeah and then uh Dominica you're 22 better looking at 32 or I think I'll be better looking because I'll have my life in my hands more cuz right now I'm like a slave to school I can't really be

SPEAKER_03a gym rat if I'm at SCH you want to have kids though right yeah aren't you going to be a slave to kids that's true yeah so I don't know I mean I hope I can find a balance I guess just hoping what about 42 better looking at 42 um not better

Brian Atlaslooking probably the same as you look now as I was as a 32y old so you'll be so so better looking at 32 as compared to 22 but then you'll be

Brian Atlasthe same at 42 and still better looking than at 22 with about 52 no okay Brian what do you rate yourself out of 10 I give myself a five do you think you have got better

Shane Smithlooking now or you I was better looking when I was younger really hands down H rude you didn't ask me you might be a silver I'm just kidding I'm just kidding it doesn't matter you might be Sil it's like a I'm a man of course I'm going to

Isis Hongbe better looking when I'm I think that'll be the limit 4 will be then I'll start to and you have like 10 more years of like com comedic practice sorry I can't talk and it'll be

Tamarafunnier so you're like even more or more annoying so all the woman at this table to Every Woman here do you also agree like men age like fine

SPEAKER_03wine I think that women prefer a mature man and I think there's a lot of reasons for that but men age so beautifully they got a men look for younger women I think

SPEAKER_04women typically William has been pretty bad like the the King's The King's son William no no no like George Clooney and stuff look they

Tamaraare really good but like men eats like fine fine Men Are Great men are grain uh we're going to play musical chairs here a little bit so I'm going to have you

Brian Atlasfour just move over chairs and then we're going to actually wait hold on is that going to work uh is that g to work hold on I'm G to try to kind of figure out how I want

Brian Atlasto do this she's already kind in a gap uh actually honestly is she going away is she leaving yeah she had to leave she to leave actually I think we just remove this chair remove this mic

Brian Atlaswhat yeah more room is this number four Nick sorry guys we're just fixing the chairs here wor uh is Maddie strong enough to yeah she's an independent

Brian Atlaswoman more comfortable all right and then um Shane what yeah you could scoot over a little bit maybe and then just put it on the ground thank you man you want me to unplug it or anything you want me to

Isis Hongjust no just leave it we'll mute it on our sound sorry guys we're just uh readjusting a couple things here do you think we could I'll tiny bit scoot over that a little bit so it's easier for me to go to the bathroom maybe then see

Tamarajust we can have you guys move let me just you be more in the picture as well it's maybe yeah we'll be able to move over a little bit so maybe just move over a teeny bit more into the picture

Brian Atlasmusical chairs here guys thank you for your patience here while we're getting this figured out here in just a sec uh I'm going to get into some of the pre-show notes finally here uh there's a

Brian Atlaslot to get through so we'll try to do it as quick as possible [Music] um okay she just walked in on her in the

Brian Atlasbathroom oh no good times good times so let's get through some of the uh show notes Here uh actually really quick just on the whole height thing going around the

SPEAKER_03table just how tall are you and is there b excuse me bare minimum height for a guy you would date I am 5'2 um I think bare minimum height would

SPEAKER_03probably be like 411 for the guy yeah that's crazy like I don't mind dating like shorter than me but like you know there's there I'm pretty short so it gets into the realm

Isis Hongof like you don't have a preference at all or no okay what about you Isis um mine I always used to say like six feet minimum but then the guy I'm currently

Isis Hongdating whom I really like is below that I used to say like guess what I call guys below 6 tall man friends yeah they're my friends so but now I'm dating

Isis Hongsomeone I really like so it's like I ate my words it's a curse how how tall are you how tall is he I'm 5'3 I don't know how tall he is but I know if I wear is he going to watch this I don't know I I

Shane Smithforbid him anybody from watching I hope he doesn't yeah wait you forbid men from looking at your Tik Tok yeah interesting guy I dates that's going to make them want to do it so much more it's crazy how much more he's going to

Isis Hongwant to do that if they want to do that they do that but then they can't come to me and be like I can't believe you said ABC because I told them not to and they agreed so it's like they just have to hide that inside of them they watch H

Brian Atlasthey like they just they should just absorb it and die inside a little bit yeah as somebody who did a uh a decent

Brian Atlasdive into your uh Tik Tok they should probably watch that [ __ ] uh oh they should watch that [ __ ] a meme for what for the

Brian Atlasheight oh uh yeah we'll pull it up I'm 5'7 sorry I don't exactly yeah it's true yo

Isis Hongch6 thank for the gifted 50 Subs go ahead I just want to say one thing to I'm not afraid if he watches it like not at all if he really loves me and obsessed with me even if I tell him not

Isis Hongto peek and he peaked and then still decided to be with me that's the one you know like if you can't accept me for me then that's not the one so then why waste your time just be like hey this is

Isis Honghow yeah give him all of you right away no psychologically that's kind of bad because human tend to like look for the negative in a person at the beginning so at the beginning it's better to ease into it be friends first that's why I

Shane Smithdon't do physical things remember earlier when I was was like you can lie and slow drip the truth and then they'll want to date you even though you weren't truth over time yeah that's the same exact it's difference there's a

Isis Hongdifference between lying and you know just letting you're lying by Omission no that's not true because they I'm not handing them be like no if you watch my Tik Tok I'm going to something you but

Isis Honglike I'm just they can watch it you know a relationship is learning about somebody I'm literally being open with him being like right now I don't want you to see that side of me so let's take it slow so when I'm ready you can check but if they chose to check it it's not

Shane Smithlike I'm going to Su them but this would be like if a woman had like I don't know it's you know she had done something wrong and she's like hey I don't want to tell you this because you're probably not going to want to be with me if you see it well then just break up with her

Isis Hongon the spot and trust that you wouldn't want to be with her if you saw those things you say if you're the guy you would break up if you said that do it I know that's it's just so interesting that so you told what was his reaction

Shane Smithwhen you told him that he said okay I respect that interesting yeah there's a very healthy boundary between us and that's what I've been practicing on with and inside that boundary exists the men's penises who you're trying to see how long they

Isis Hongare going to say definitely because that's my boundary I would love to touch your penis and they would love to be touched by knes they do they do you're right so why is that a problem so going around the table on this what's your

Tamaraheight bare minimum height for a guy for you to date I do not know what a fe thing is what your guys 75 cm and what do you want to have an answer on how

Tamarawhat's the minimum height of a man you would date actually I do not judge on Heights I always wear heels and if it's fine with that I'm fine as well if he has like a natural manly dominant era

SPEAKER_03above him I'm I'm totally down with you I'm fine based yeah okay yeah um 55 and I would just have like a preference like it increases my attraction to you if

SPEAKER_03you're taller MH I'm 53 I'd say the same thing obviously it's not like a deal breaker if someone's short I dated a guy that

SPEAKER_03was 5'5 but uh 5'6 is actually the male standard average on like a global I I think United States I'm not sure Global but 5'6 is the average male height I

Tamarathink in the US it's like in the US it's 59 or 510 really yeah we're eating beef us girls are getting lucky darling in the Netherlands we are tall the men are

Tamara1932 M everybody is tall as [ __ ] I'm small I'm very small I'm very little in the nland really interesting we are tall uh

SPEAKER_03I'm 5'2 my minimum will probably be like 5 sixish but I usually date like a 5'9 like that's probably my preference like

Maddie5'9 58 so cuz I like I like closer to my height okay I I've never been tested on this but I think I don't care hair I'm

Maddielike really incredibly attracted to really intelligent men and kind of the way they look Falls by the wayside mhm but I've never been tested so I don't

Shane Smithknow I I don't care I've dated a woman who's taller than me so I don't think guys care no no there's no way why would that matter yeah I'm 51 and I would say

SPEAKER_03probably like 55 okay minimum mhm yeah okay how tall is your husband he's 5'9 5'10 okay cool

Brian Atlasrock and roll rock and roll we got a we got a chat here from Curtis Leon the the excuse me the dependa using base housing standards is in eight if she would have stayed she would have had two to three

Brian Atlaskids gained 200 lb and driven her fat card around the commissary to stock up on potato chips that's hilarious um is it true I don't know I I got to a point

SPEAKER_03believe it or not I actually um when I was leaving my ex um was overweight and I I lost 60 lbs over two years since I've been away from him um okay I like

Brian Atlasto I looked at myself in the mirror and like didn't like how I looked so I think I'd have the control uh Nick we're going to go to Twitch really quick guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drop us a follow and

Brian Atlasa prime sub if you have one twitch.tv whatever and uh chart I do want to thank you for the gifted 50 Subs man thank you so much man I really

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Brian Atlaswatching on Twitch if you're watching on YouTube just open up another tab drops a uh little sub in the chat okay so let's get into some of the uh pre-show notes Here we have who do we have here where

Brian Atlasdo we start where do we start there's a lot of notes uh okay why don't we do Isis Isis you had some interesting notes

Brian Atlasgonna pee but okay ah too bad uh okay uh so in your Instagram it says

Isis HongTell Netflix I need my own reality show yeah why why I think what do you mean what like you don't think I deserve

Isis Hongone um I mean but what what would the show be about like your life it would be my life I would love to be sponsored by all kinds of brand to make a documentary

Isis Hongor kind of reality show of me learning different things and document my progress to show people that no matter what age you are the beginning of Learning is Clumsy is stupid and I because I'm not afraid to make a f of

Isis Hongmyself I would like to show people that in the process I can work with different like like maybe athlete athletes in their field or musician in their field to learn things like that on your

Brian AtlasInstagram you made a post that you've decided in 2024 you'll become the most unh hinged version of yourself has that been true uh that has been absolutely true and I have paid heavy heavy price

Brian Atlasfor it but definitely reaped great rewards as well okay and there was a clip on your Instagram uh there we have a couple

Brian Atlasclips from you actually before we get into some of those though uh you had some crazy unique dating stories you went on a second date with a guy and he you asked for a Tiffany gold bracelet in

Isis Hongorder to go on the date and he complied yeah W I want his number so

Isis Hongum the way it happened is like there's one time I was at the Mark which is a pretty fancy bar in New York City and I met this guy and guy and this his friend and I didn't realize at the time but

Isis Hongturns out they are dating but they're also open so we afterwards we went to the box to see a show and so that's how I got to meet this guy and the second

Isis Hongday I was in Mexico at the time I got a oneway ticket to Mexico no return trip but this guy is only in New York for two days so I was like okay in order for me to get back like it's a lot like I have

Isis Hongto you know like there's a lot of hassle I don't want to leave yet so he paid for the tickets he paid for the gold bracelet because that's was like you order to see I'm going to do that did you hook up with him not on that date

Isis Hongbut later I actually did a that was the first threeome I ever did was with him and his girlfriend like later yeah is that the bracelet oh no this is not that one is kind of I just wanted to know she was wearing it how much is a Tiffany

Isis Honggold bracelet it's about $2,500 wow and wait but you asked for it right yeah so I said um buy me something then and he said what designer do you

Isis Honglike I said I like Tiffany but I don't like silver and he he was like okay give me some examples so all the examples I so I remember the prize

Isis Hongand everything so what uh not you but the guy's pathetic but think he's pathetic because I definitely think pathe what's the

Isis Hongdifference between sex work and what you did I didn't have sex with him because Tre some no that was like way later but he know he would get something out of you but obviously bro I've been [ __ ]

Isis Hongpoor broke men for free okay who doesn't give me [ __ ] what is then the difference between an escort getting paid and you getting like a su Daddy what is the difference between you your boyfriend

Isis Honggiving you something because you asky so right now in New York City it's hard to claim someone as boyfriend because everybody is dating M like is like looking around a lot so it sounds like you have a guy who wants your

Shane Smithboyriend Hees want to be my boyfriend but I don't want to be his girlfriend it sounds like that other guy put you on layaway what is a layway Laya away is when you start paying for something but you don't have enough money to get it right now so you just pay a little bit

Shane Smithevery month so you can get that TV for later oh am I the the TV you're the TV yeah oh but he's not getting the TV he got the TV him and his boyfriend got the TV he got a two for one got girlfriend I'm so sorry I'm because I wanted to

Isis Honghave a threesome for a first time is that wrong like you guys what you did isn't wrong against me because not against you just find you very interesting we not against no no not against no not against me but

Isis Hongagainst this opinion that why is it that it's why is it compare that to sex work because why can I be the one deciding I want to do the three song and gift is a completely different thing why is it

SPEAKER_03that in your mind you with he didn't buy bra you said that he bought you the ticket and the bracelet so you could go see him so in a way that is a trans a

Tamaratransaction yeah but the world is a transaction she didn't because nothing wrong with it it's nothing was this was this say I I got a sugar daddy that's fine was this that's not a sugar daddy

Isis Honglike I only had sex with once and that's the threesome I wanted to have for the first time in my life on my birthday why is that wrong was it really your first threesome yes I guarantee you I swear to God I swear to God that's my one and

Isis Hongonly threesome that's why I'm so proud to announce it guys that's like the truth and you guys are like oh shoot like literally that was the Glorious moment of my life and I wanted it wait I haven't made any negative assumptions by

Isis Hongthe way I just asked you what the difference between sex work and what you did was yeah it's very different because one is that these two things are different getting a gift because I want him to get me a gift you sound like a prostitute explaining to the police why

Isis Hongshe shouldn't be arrested because she was receiving gifts for her time not her body she didn't sleep with him because he gave her the would you slept with him each other for a year but went on a date

Isis Hongwith him for literally we know each other for a year and you guys are you [ __ ] him if he not not bought you the ticket if he not bought you much hle to go see him I wouldn't I wouldn't go travel to Mexico is freaking far from New York you

SPEAKER_03think I'm going to go seek him if he doesn't give me something ifel putting any negative light yeah I know I'm just saying he wasn't buying you the bracelet would you still suck

Tamarahis dick or not I never sucked his dick no yeah for tree Sumer who you want to call it I'm Dutch I don't care if he would you even saw him again yeah if he bra I got interrupt a little bit we'll

Brian Atlascome back to it really quick going back to you so you gave yourself a rating of 10 um so do you consider yourself the most attractive girl at the table um I mean

SPEAKER_03in I'm like myself everybody's beautiful in their own unique way I'm not going to cop women get scared to say that women get scared to say that well that's upu

Brian Atlasto say love myself and I you're the only girl who said you were 10 so are you but but you you have you gave yourself the highest rating at the table do you think you're the most beautiful girl at the table no I think they're all beautiful

SPEAKER_03in different ways than me like I have black hair like you got the beautiful red hair you got that there's everybody just looks very different oh everybody just looks very different they're on your level then I think they're all I

SPEAKER_03think they rated themselves very low compared to what they should be none of them are more attractive than you though no I think that they're more attractive in different ways more attractive in different ways yeah like like we got a

Brian Atlasblonde we got like we got everybody different you know yeah but being blonde in and of itself is typically not going to be sufficient no well they they all look good it's

SPEAKER_03just that we all are different people and beauty is subjective so me saying I I get like lots of hate I get told I look ugly all the time but I'm so used to it I've been doing social media since I was

SPEAKER_0314 okay like I'm very used to it and I understand wait you get told you're ugly all the time yes and I get called fat I get called ugly and I mean I'm not mad I don't listen to it I don't really care

Brian Atlasif people want to hate on the way I mean it seems like you're actually receiving uh I'll albe it insulting feedback on your looks um so the 10 rating let me

Brian Atlasask you a question if you were to be rated by say a group of a thousand men what do you think the average rating would be for you so I think that I have some features that are considered conventionally attractive and some

SPEAKER_03features that are not like I'm more hourglass but then obviously some men prefer like thinner women some men don't like I have a big nose I have a very big Polish nose and like some people don't like like that like that's that's

SPEAKER_03something I get hate on a lot and I mean I'm not going to I just it's all subjective I think probably they would say yes but I'm I'm not going to lie like I do feel like I get hit on a lot I

SPEAKER_03feel like I would get rated okay like I think I'm more attractive than are we arriving at an answer soon or like a eight maybe okay but I think that many why do

Brian Atlasyou think there's a difference between what you think so you think you're a 10 but the average of what a thousand men would rate you as a Nate why do you think there's a difference there um because not everybody likes the same

Brian Atlasthing right but this would be the average so in this cohort of a thousand men there could be some men that let you a 10 and some people are like oh I only date blonde so you're a two like

Brian Atlaseverybody likes different things you know does that really exist yes I only I me hold on but so do you let me ask you a question a guy who only dates blond M

Brian Atlasdo you think he would prefer to date a woman who's facially beautiful but is a brunette versus an ugly blond woman which do you think he would rather

Brian Atlaschoose or date the um attractive one the brunette one mhm well then it's I mean based on this it's clear to me that

SPEAKER_03being blonde is not enough to shift the needle mhm yes but I'm saying like I mean it's not real like it's not like we're all ranked there's no like objective number that all of us are it's

SPEAKER_03all subjective I listen I like really ugly men like I love an ugly man with a big messed up nose I love big noses a big messed up nose and all my friends are like e why are you doing that ugly man I'm like well he's a 10 to me like

Brian Atlasit's all there's no objective well hold on but you said he's ugly yes but but like I like ugly men but how are you able to come to the determination he's ugly because people want to call him

SPEAKER_03ugly people like all of the boys I've dated ever people are like oh why would you date him he girl get a lot netive comments as well telling you you're ugly so why aren't you ugly then I'm ugly to

Tamarasome people but you call an other men ugly because other people telling he's ugly and you say a lot of people calling me ugly so why aren't you then like a

Shane Smithfive or six instead of a 10 why are women delusional what what is attract what what is it uh what are ugly qualities to you as compared to attractive qualities like when you date

SPEAKER_03an ugly man what is ugly about him that's like undesirable but you get over that it's not undes desirable it's just that I when I think of the word ugly I think of because it's all subjective for example I have a big uh hump nose some

SPEAKER_03people don't like that but I figure that makes a man attend to me I like a big nose and so like it's all just like I'm not going to lie beauty is subjective and a lot of the ideas of where we get Beauty like the ideas of beauty are like

SPEAKER_03at least we're in America it's like American Standards you know what I mean like the blue eyes the blonde hair the standards are made because a lot of group of people find the same

Isis Hongstandards are being made because a lot of people find the same person attractive the same features right different country you're right in a different country the beauty standard can be so drastically different you can

Isis Hongrise someone a one and in China it would be a 10 seriously I'm a European wait hold on you're saying like a woman who's a 10 in China is going to be a one in the

Brian AtlasUS I mean that could happen yes even though the RSE can happen hold on so you you aren't aware of the phenomenon that white men in Western

Brian Atlascountries tend to lean towards being white white men actually tend to assess uh Asian women as very attractive they do well that's true but

Isis Hongwhat I'm saying is that there exist like the beauty standards are different a lot of women are really popular here in America you guys treat as actresses in in our country when we were growing up we're like

Isis Hongwhat we would never like even pick her out of a street that's our perception so when I come to us I realize oh my God like the big ass is in like in China if you're big ass you get lipo like if you

Isis Hongbe like a thick the skinny look like this little like Chopsticks so it's like so different drastically different and it changes by decades too he so different yeah if you look at the

Isis Hongportrait of the M Dynasty like women are beautiful like very curvy and they have like no Chin because it was like very wealthy looking you know that's Beauty and it's different because they were natural back then now we go to the

SPEAKER_03plastic surgery because we are in because standards are different now it changes so much everything changes right and like I mean I think it's kind of um a little bit disrespectful to call me delusional cuz I'm addressing the fact

SPEAKER_03that most men not everybody thinks I'm a 10 because listen I think I'm a 10 and you asked me what I thought you didn't ask me what everybody else thinks and so you're not going to change my opinion of Myself by being disrespectful to me and

Isis Hongwell I don't think it's disrespectful if you're actually delusional you literally is attend to a lot of Chinese men why because first of all your nose is really tall you know in China people would put so much stuff to make their nose tall

Isis Hongand the reason I realized that is when I was younger I watch a TV show this actress has really tall nose and then like and then I was just thinking yeah sorry I'm interrupting I just think you're a 10 and I think 10 a person who

SPEAKER_03has no room for improvement no I do have room for improvement but I but regardless I still love myself at all times that's great I think wait did you say you were going to be better looking in 10 years time yeah but I mean I 20

SPEAKER_03years time um I mean or I forgot your answer just I didn't ask me the 20 years I mean maybe probably I would look older but like I think I'll probably look good for like a old but so will you be better

Brian Atlaslooking no probably not no 38 as comp or sorry you're 21 excuse me would you be better looking at 31 as compared to now at 21 um I think yes because I Pro I like for I'm starting my career out I'm

SPEAKER_03making more money I'm able to get more cosmetic procedures in the next month I get like my whole body done um for the most part not a BBL but well one thing though so if you're going to be better

Brian Atlaslooking in 10 years time how can you be how can you possibly be a 10 now if you'll be better looking because 10 is the top you can go you can't be better

SPEAKER_03looking than a 10 I I love myself right now and I would be completely fine like if I just stayed like this the rest of my life I'm a very confident person um but it's like I can still I'm always and

SPEAKER_03also Society is always changing so like for example like you look at the beauty trends of what women look like however many years ago the little thin eyebrows all that stuff it's like it's constantly changing like you might like like the clothing and all the everything changes

Brian Atlasand in 10 years it could be completely different and I think I'll look good for that time well I have another question then uh you said you're going to be getting a how how many plastic surgery procedures are you getting I'm getting

SPEAKER_03lipo in my arms and I'm getting 360 lipo which is your waist and I already have a very why because I want to I feel like you know like when you play video games and you have like the character and the skin you save up you get the skin you like

Brian Atlasupgrade I'm like oh like this will be like I don't know and also you have to think I'd probably make more money like I mean maybe not so so you're getting Li you're getting Lio the arms Lio the belly and I'm getting a small

SPEAKER_03implant put in your business investment kind of yes hold on well in addition to my other question again how can you possibly be a 10 and

SPEAKER_03now if you need to get these cosmetic surgeries no one said I needed them it's just well you're getting them regardless well I am in the adult industry and I probably would make more money if I was

Brian Atlaslike a lot of that's a kind of a big thing and I'm so okay so but these procedures are going to improve your looks yes so then what number will you

SPEAKER_03be after the procedures I will always consider myself a 10 I always I do what I want with the way I look but how can if it's increased in your physical attractiveness bro you been all down these specifics you want me to say I'm

Shane Smithlike a not I don't I really don't care what you think about how I look that's fine I think the question isn't about your self perception it's more about like the free market doesn't think you're a 10 is what he's saying I think that's wrong I think you're not

Isis Hongdelusional I think he's wrong because he's not thinking about other Market there's American Market there's Chinese market there all kind unit States she's the public figure only FES everywhere right you get traffic clear you think

SPEAKER_03she's a in Korea she can be a 10 to some moment yeah you're beautiful you're yes I'm fat in Korea I'm fat in a lot of ASI why are we just like debating her looks yeah it's kind of like why like you

SPEAKER_03really like you can like listen you can think I'm not a 10 I don't care listen I'm I don't care and I really don't care what you think about but I think it's so crazy to get on a podcast and debate how a woman looks I don't well I'll tell you

SPEAKER_03why it's important and let me also why have we spent 20 minute like 15 minutes talking about think oh girls I think you feuding the wrong way to be no no no no

Tamarano not the wrong way you saying or her answer or anything don't like come after me Jesus Christ you're saying why are you viewing the point of view la la la la la etc etc are you all right well it's kind of like stressful you're

Tamaragetting me on a podcast to debate how I look and I've already said I don't care we we talked about like and it's a little bit stressful and I'm not going to lie you're can we give her some tissue paper

SPEAKER_03please yeah go get it then I'm good but it's a little bit overwhelming having a full table of people you do social media and I do social media I'm on live every day doing all my social media but it's overwhelming it is overwhelming and

SPEAKER_03you're kind of being a [ __ ] because what did I do well I thought you didn't care I mean how I don't care but it's overwhelming that's Bing it's not Bing you just want to keep talking about it over and over again for God knows how long how much longer you want to go on about it I don't give a [ __ ] call me

SPEAKER_03eight I don't give a [ __ ] I don't care what the [ __ ] you want to call me I already said that I think I'm a 10 and this discussion is really pointless well it's does have a point so um okay well I guess I'm ugly then I don't care what he

Brian Atlaswas trying to say well how about you let me make yeah okay go ahead go ahead I've been interrupted I've been interrupted like three times in a row I'm trying to make my point but go ahead

SPEAKER_03go ahead make your I'm going to let youself I speak I just think that he was trying to say if you think you're a 10 now that if you're getting work

SPEAKER_03done then isn't there room for improvement he's not saying that not beautiful you are beautiful no I already I get the point he's trying to make like but it's like I don't know like Kylie Jenner all these beautiful women they

SPEAKER_03can they can they you can say they're a ton and they can still go get stuff done Kylie regrets it though yeah I don't think they're beautiful I don't guess what it's so subjective like exactly can

Brian Atlaswe let him make his point okay so uh you you take issue with me using the word delusional so let me just provide a definition characterized by or

Brian Atlasholding false beliefs or judgments about external reality that are held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary so or having false or

Brian Atlasunrealistic beliefs or opinions so I think the reality is there's a lot of women who come on the show by the way we ask this question every single show very aware and you always do this no don't

Brian Atlasalways do it I mean if a girl gives herself a seven or even if she gives herself a seven but she's not a seven I don't really push it but to say your a 10 is to say that you are on par with

Brian Atlasthe most beautiful women in the world and I'm not sure I'm prepared to like I'm sure I'm not really sure I'm prepared to accept that some men will think she's more beautiful than the most

SPEAKER_03beautiful person like I said like ugly men I would I don't care what some men think who who's some of the most attractive men you would ever see I would turn them down immediately over

Brian Atlaslike some like mid white boy like that's just how it is and it's subjective well it's not sub because you've just made a characteriz categorization so you said

Brian Atlasthere's beautiful men and there's mid men why are you able to make a an objective determination about someone's physical appearance but you can't do that to

Isis Hongyourself um she didn't make objective judgment it was subjective right you think someone exactly it's subjective she said there's beautiful men and there's mid men that's a categorization

Isis Hongyeah she categorized it in her mind she think he's ugly and so thinks she's beautiful is in his mind it's by standard saying she's saying she likes to date those men who she's made a

Brian Atlasjudgment in the determination on that they are less physically attractive by some sort of objective metric that's not conventionally attracted right you might be attracted to men but for other

SPEAKER_03reasons like maybe he's got a good personality broke men I'm not in it for like like literally like I'm so not it's just it is bad at the personality and I don't care like just cuz I say ugly

SPEAKER_03doesn't like maybe conventionally speaking they're they're considered ugly but not to me okay so and I literally it's so like dude like you're literally on a podcast debating a 21 how old are

Shane Smithyou 21 I'm 21 you're de debating 21 how is that relevant because it's your grown ass man what and you asked to be on the show yeah is a show about dating relationships and how women and men

Shane Smithperceive each other and themselves how long have we been talking about this very long time the podcast is 6 hours or whatever ever we're just filling time here having a discussion okay well I'm over it I'm done I think it's just a matter of

SPEAKER_03opinion it is a matter of opinion that's what I've said the whole time and you're going to say I don't think you should let it get you're do you're literally pretty for a living yeah that's well yeah but but you might not be a 10 for living but

Tamarayou're doing great you shouldn't be emotional you're doing all right no I'm not I'm upset because listen I'm an emotional person and it just you're a little bit overwhelming I think beauty is in the eyes of the beholder

Tamaraobviously but I think if you are making categories about men what you are saying you are right you have to be honest to yourself as a woman and what category do I feel bro it's crazy to me because like

Brian Atlaswomen are super picky and you guys literally have laundry list of like what a guy has to meet physically personality wise you you guys have lists of what a guy has to bring to the table but when

Brian Atlasguys start talking about like okay here's what we want and whenever it gets into the realm of phys IAL appearance which by the way women care way [ __ ] more than men about this [ __ ] I guarantee you you go on a [ __ ] dating

Brian Atlasapp y'all are swiping no on 90% of the dudes without reading their [ __ ] profile instantly you look at the first photo mid mid don't like y'all are way pickier y'all are way pickier about

Brian Atlaslooks than men so I'm not going to take this like oh this is like misogyny men or like well why they care so much about looks y'all care way [ __ ] more about it's okay that you care about looks care

Brian Atlasway [ __ ] more about definitely agree with that and so I'll tell you exactly why it matters and why I push back on what I view as women having an

Brian Atlasoverinflated sense of their own physical attractiveness so let me let me start by asking a question do you think that there are men out there who think that they're more

Brian Atlasattractive than they actually are yes do you think there are men who think they're hot [ __ ] yes but they're not 90% so that's you but but so you I'm sure you object

Brian Atlasto men who think they're who's super [ __ ] cocky and who think they're hot [ __ ] and think they can you know get all these girls but they don't right yeah but somebody thinks you're that much and more so yes exactly you know who they

Brian AtlasI'm not saying there look there's going to be guys that are attracted to you that's not what I'm trying to argue here but like if you can say that there are men out there who think that they're hot [ __ ] but they nothing but guess what I'm

SPEAKER_03not mad about them saying that you like but you might say they're delusional um I mean maybe but I mean I don't know if they it depends cuz

SPEAKER_03a lot of the a lot of them like maybe I don't like them but like there are other women that do there's a reason they're like that actually I would say that so listen I'm in college do you know how

Brian Atlasmany boys that like I have to deal with that actually I got to push back on this specific thing too so I would actually argue that in terms of what men will find attractive men have uh in terms of

Brian Atlaswhat they deem physically attractive men have a much wider uh margin of like women they'll find attractive like I would say most men find most women

Brian Atlasattractive most women definitely don't find most men attractive and this is why you have average women who think they deserve the [ __ ] world they're mid

Brian Atlaschicks who deserve like a top tier dude you don't average women deserve average men average men deserve average women and what's going on hold on what's going on in the dating market place especially

Brian Atlason dating apps you got average women who can get sexual access to really attractive men they'll never get commitment but they'll spend their 20s [ __ ] the attractive dudes never getting commitment getting passed around

Brian Atlasby [ __ ] boys and then when it's time to settle when they're in their late 20s or 30s they're going to feel entitled to a certain caliber of guy that'll never give them commitment they're going to settle for a guy who's actually in their

Brian Atlasleague that guy is not going to get good treatment it's going to be terrible for the relationship but a lot of women because it's a global sexual Marketplace you can hop on Instagram you can hop on a dating app and

SPEAKER_03get average chicks can get dick down like three times a day if they want to that's their issue that's not like more sexual yeah they don't actually like but

Brian Atlashere's the thing so so here's the thing so for a guy our league our league is the women that we can sleep sleep with y'all league is the men you can get commitment and marriage from because as

Brian Atlasa girl you can sleep with a guy it's not immediately clear if if you can sleep with a guy you can always get him in or with near certainty get him

Brian Atlasinto a relationship but as a guy if I can sleep with a girl there's a very strong chance I can get her into a relationship so false what is the Bic 80 90% of the men I dat I don't

Shane Smithwant a relationship with that hold on there's strumpets there's obviously strumpets that are fine engaging in casual sex the the the saying is that when women are nice to men men feel

Isis Hongentitled to sex when men are nice to women women feel entitled to Commitment no no I don't feel entitled I don't want to commit to most of the men I see that's an L for because they're

Isis Hongreally losers they are you [ __ ] losers yeah that's what I'm saying I [ __ ] losers an L broke that's an L bro because I need to get off man sometimes you said you don't even get off you said

Isis Hongyou don't you said your vibrator I always bring my tiny vibrator with me it's like this big okay if he can't get me off I have my ways sometimes you need a warm body you need a good cuddle what's wrong with that I separate

Isis Hongbusiness with STDs cuddle you get STDs from Cuddle do you know how many guys that are my cuddle buddies it's not sex then you're not having sex with them I you don't you don't want condoms what is

Isis Hongyour condom when you have sex condoms you think that stops an STD oh so you're saying I shouldn't have sex when I want to have sex with someone because I want to scratch an itch like that's so like

Isis Hongyeah it's called sexual discipline what do you have sexual discipline you've never ever had sex with a girl without a condom or like you're just like wait okay we're talking about two totally different things here okay so I just don't know understand why you're like

Isis Hongthinking what I did had is unreasonable it's like very to me do what you want yeah exactly I don't know what's I'm actually against like uh promis culture

TamaraI'm not promiscuous I just want to cuddle someone sometimes I want to [ __ ] someoneis no you areis oh wait wait wait but how is your ideal man what do he looks like or is he just your ideal man

Isis Honglike a sex doll or something because I no it's like at different stage of my life I have different idea for example with my fiveyear relationship I was with the same guy for five years if go SL phase where that's when I actually did

Isis Hongone I stand and I regretted it and then there are times where I'm like serious want people Chang throughout their years and they want different things so I don't understand what's like then would you say that like if you

Brian Atlascould go back would you still have one night stand I would have because at that time if I didn't have one night stand I wouldn't have known I regret it you know what I mean here we'll get to that in a sec to wrap up on the whole 10 thing

Brian Atlashere's what I see going on in the dating Marketplace you have and we've I've spoken to over a thousand women on the show it's not all women but uh I don't know if it's a majority or uh who knows

Brian Atlasthe exact number but there's enough women who are totally average totally average they don't want to date average men that's a problem for average men not

Brian Atlasfor them no well it's also a problem for the women because then they end up getting into a relation well relationships with men who will never commit to them I will believe it if a woman said it you yeah where where did

Brian Atlasyou read that was the source I mean or do women say that to you the dating apps are proof enough so if you have what dating app list Tinder all these all these dating apps have Rel uh not all of

Brian Atlasthe dating apps but they've released data on this women swipe no on 90% of men yo chart dude thank you for the big gifted 50 Subs man really appreciate it thank you chart 166 um yeah I mean this

Isis Hongis a thing but why do you think a woman it's not 90 it's 95 I think what he's meaning okay but why do you think women are unhappy maybe women are me look at this because of their choices thank you

Brian Atlasfor getting hold on hold on hold on hold on stop they have a different few okay the experiences of men and women on Tinder women match with 36% of those they like while men match with less than

Brian Atlas2% uh like and match like but no match pass so women are super picky when it comes to looks okay and and just in

Brian Atlasgeneral they're super picky and so if women are overlooking men that are actually in their league because they

Brian Atlasthink for for example if you think that you're a 10 and you genuinely believe it certainly you must be deserving of a man

Isis Hongwho's a 10 and so what is that going to look like a man who thinks is a 10 who she thinks is a 10 that's important to add yeah yeah she thinks is a 10 not in the world most women they want to date

Isis Hongmen are more attractive I already said I like the men that are not considered attractive I like the little shorties yeah that what she thinks is a 10 maybe she likes broke guys maybe he's that's a May someone likes homeless

Isis Hongpeople I don't really care I don't really care throws you under the bus like I'm not saying you in her eyes so yeah if she thinks a 10 she will find someone who she thinks is a 10 that doesn't mean you will think he's a 10

Brian Atlaswell I think look again the big issue here is that I see going on in the dating Marketplace is average women don't want to date average men and then but here's the problem if I'm an average

Brian Atlasguy and I want to get sexual access Aver I exactly and that sounds like your problem no no no no hold on I don't have I don't to that yeah here's the problem

Brian Atlasuh average women can get sexual access to above average men yeah that's nice I don't well uh but here's the thing here's the thing this is what and who's

Brian Atlasletting them in who's letting them access well hold on who's more to blame like 2% of men or the 50% of women who are engaged in the hookup culture they're like more selective women are

Brian Atlasmore selective sorry women are more selective but so I'll Grant to you that there are hyper promiscuous super attractive men that sleep with a [ __ ] ton of women but it's not clear to me if

Brian Atlasa if it's a small proportion of men versus like let's say here's the thing also I would say that almost almost any woman if she wants to has access to

Brian Atlashookup culture can't say the same thing about men that's true most men don't have access to hookup culture because they aren't attractive enough to be able to be sleeping with that many women

Brian Atlasconsistently whereas an average girl lot lizards hold on an average girl lot lizard okay an average girl if she wanted to could [ __ ] three new guys a

Brian Atlasday and what's the problem here what are you yeah where's the feel the problem is the the problem is is you have average women chasing after men that are out of

Brian Atlastheir league yes and then they think they're entitled to those men they'll never get commitment and then when they finally have to settle down in their late 20s or 30s they're going to like have all these experiences with all

Isis Hongthese men who are more attractive than their partner and they're going to think like I'm settling but actually they're not they're actually not I have two points to that one why do you think she they're unhappy maybe they settle and they're happy and they live their 20s

Isis Hongyou know dating hot men and then in their 30 they can settle with the average men and that's great for them cheer for them so what what's wrong with that I don't see a problem so there's this thing so um can I ask you a

Brian Atlasquestion I want you to think right now the most attractive guy you've ever dated and been with can you think oh there's a few okay it depends like do

Isis Hongyou want the European style or like more scrawny doctor Smart Style it depends so what can you think of one man in particular who was like Leaps and Bounds above them all no I can't because everybody have their pros and cons

Isis Hongthat's why you cannot objectively rate a person like some some might be really tall and handsome and strong and have a small dick some other guy would be a very fat dick but it's like kind of short so it's like you can never ever what's your subjective opinion about the

Isis Hongmost because I can't because when you're with them it's a different feeling sometimes it make you feel calm sometimes it make you feel passion how can you decide that that's crazy have you ever been in love before I've be in love every time I I I I date some I

SPEAKER_08believe you yeah yeah if there's no more question I really need to pee yeah I'm sh okay go pee I'm soani JD donated

SPEAKER_08$200 Brian's telling the truth when I was a DJ I slept with tons of women that were mid because I was bored drunk Etc but only wife the nines shameful

Brian AtlasBehavior but it applies to all D gen men yo Giovani appreciate it man look I mean there's a lot of guys that will I think one of the big things and I've brought this up in previous shows is

Brian Atlasthat when it comes to like more casual flings or whatever a guy will sleep down whereas like if a girl is inclined to have like a one night stand or casual thing she'll typically prioritize like

Brian Atlasgoing for the most attractive guy she can get whereas when a man's trying to get like casual sex he'll lower his standards for looks so when it comes to

Brian Atlasa guy will sleep with a girl that just on looks alone he will never be in a relationship with her however I would argue typically that for a woman even to

Brian Atlashave like casual sex one night stand or whatever in order to have a one night stand or casual sex with a guy he typically has to be at least attractive enough for her to be in a relationship

Shane Smithwith him mhm it's also dangerous if you're a woman and you don't understand that men will lower their standards and be disgusting and sleep with people who are

Shane Smithless than cuz then you feel special because this guy who you perceive is so hot is choosing you and you're like oh that's crazy but you're not special he's he's using you and you get a lot of

Tamaraheartbreak after that when you get older you want to settle down you have this Vision in your head like oh my God I deserve a minut it looks like that well the idea is that he makes you feel so special eventually you're going to meet

Shane Smitha normal guy who is in your league he will not make you feel special and now you're like what am I missing here what's going on because you have that version in your head that you deserve some kind yeah you're doing yourself a disservice I I feel like it's a lot

SPEAKER_03those numbers are the way they are because men are are just desirous in general more so than women are their sexual desire is up here ours is like right here and so that's why I feel personally I think that the numbers are

Brian Atlasthat way so they're just going to settle for whatever they can you know they can do the deed with so well yeah women sleep with who they want and Men sleep with who they can exactly let me see if there's any other chats here then we're

Brian Atlasgoing to move on to uh new topic oh we have quite a few coming in here um oh pachy can I have you read some of these sure thank you negative 100 girls

SPEAKER_03in the right corner look perpetually offended Isis you may not realize it but you seem like a god level gold digger I hope you change otherwise I pity your future signatory don't sue me signatory

SPEAKER_03or science okay thank you negative 100 appreciate it uh right go ahead didn't know pink dress was a prostitute resend

SPEAKER_03my last TTS shame fine Christ Isis daating mindset is I'll hide how foul I am until you're in too deep deaf CCP

Isis Hongplant she's dated Eric solell I'm not did you date Eric SW swall I don't know who's Eric I've never dated Eric okay Eric also but I am a certified gold

Brian Atlasdigger I am not negative 100 she is a certified gold digger she she was uh behind the scenes but she heard it Curtis Leon oh thank you hold on go ahead red dress is right I myself

SPEAKER_03prefer curvy women cuz they remind me of dependas I had one I called Bluebird she lived in my Barracks room for two weeks I had to kick her out to avoid an njp God okay thank you Curtis Leon

SPEAKER_03appreciate it man thank you for the message we have Robert Tanner coming in oh this is a chart 166 thank you Robert appreciate it hey I am chart 166 on Twitch just FYI good show one last

SPEAKER_03contribution for tonight any one of us to give ourselves a 10 out of 10 have self-esteem issues coming from a millionaire you have self-esteem issues Robert do you want to marry me like no

Isis Hongyou deserve a billionaire yeah does she yes no I do if she she does okay then she does do you deserve a billionaire uh it depends I don't think I think there's a better chance I get to

SPEAKER_08a billion then my husband get to a billion so so I have to I do not deserve a billionaire I just deserve a hardworking man Andrew's lighter donated $200 Asian girl prattled for 10 minutes

Brian Atlasthen told to get to the chef's kiss lot of prattle uh thank you Andrew ligher appreciate it man thank you for prattle mean TTS prattle is like when you speak

Isis Hongwithout a point for a certain amount of time oh so it's like a bad comment yeah you're like prattling on I'm sorry incon inconsequential talk that yeah doesn't really further the conversation uh

Brian Atlasanyways going back to Isis here oh the the Tiffany gold bracelet uh oh so you were saying like so you asked for

Isis Hongit mhm it wasn't just like a gift like you asked for it for the second date no I said buy me a gift he said he said I'm in New York for

Isis Hongtwo days um and I said it's too much for me too much trouble for me to get back then buy me a gift if you want to see me and then he said what designer no you said in your pre notes I asked for a

Isis HongTiffany gold bracelet in order to go on the date and he complied yeah literally pre show note I spent like 2 minutes typing cuz I don't really want to type in my tiny phone so like what I literally just said was what happened I

Isis Hongtexted he texted me I'm coming to New York for 2 days come hang out with me I said no I'm in Mexico I don't want to go back he said uh but it's too much trouble and he begged a little bit I was

Isis Honglike okay then um give me a asked for it you asked for yeah I asked that's what happened the and but so he paid for your flight back and then he also had to was

Brian Atlasit a round trip that he sent you back to Tulum I assume you in in meico city oh nice that's a fun place um now going around the table on this do you if you

Brian Atlaswanted to go on the second date with a guy and he said well you have to buy me a $2,500 item would you not just laugh in

Isis Honghis [ __ ] face starting with you I would laugh in his face and I would not talk to him I would too but why because he's a man and you're the woman because no it has nothing to do with men and

Brian Atlaswoman everybody it has everything to do with what I wanted but what if he wants it it's the same point it doesn't matter what he wants what I want so if a guy did that though like let's say you went on a first date with a guy and you want

Brian Atlasto go on a second date with him and he's like well I it's kind of trouble for me I guess I can go on a second date with you if you spend $2,500 on me okay how how would you react I just wouldn't go

Isis Hongon a date with him would you laugh I don't know if I would laugh or not maybe would you would you think that's a ridiculous ask yeah I would think maybe he doesn't want to go on a second date that's why he asked for such a thing you would be such an amaz amazing dominatrix

SPEAKER_03or something just embarrassing man what about you no I will not do that embarrassing you do that maybe if I had the money in a dead way if you had the money you would do it okay maybe I think

SPEAKER_03that's crazy after meeting somebody for only once sure um no but listen like I said I like to spend money on my men but

Shane Smithnot after a second date mhm uh-uh not got spend it on my boyfriend not on a second date would you do that if a girl asked straight up mental illness there's no

Shane Smithpossible way I I can't imagine a scenario where I would even kind of entertain that your man card has to be revoked if you do some [ __ ] like that yeah that's insane that's crazy even if you were a millionaire the idea that you

Shane Smithwould let so cuz that's actually demeaning the bow is like respect the to to ask someone for a monetary gift in order for their time when you have little and you give little you think that's a lot when you have a lot you

Shane Smithgive a little that's very little so it's like it's about how big you are inside even if a woman asks for a $20 bracelet to go on a date me I would be like no

SPEAKER_03it's just it's the requirement yeah I would say no because it seems like he's depending on me to I guess be F be

Brian Atlasfinancially ready for everything else okay um let's see you already talked about how you had a threesome with him you said a guy you just started seeing brought me to their dental school graduation party and I made a complete

Isis Hongfull of yourself right so it's um during Co and because of covid there's no

Isis Hongsorry there's no um there are a couple years there's no uh graduation party for his uh dental school so he finally had one so he didn't have one for 3 years

Isis Hongand then he decided to bring me on a second day or third day maybe I'm cursed on a second day or something yeah and then um I got so at first I wore a red dress he

Isis Hongcame into my room and asked me to change the dress because he he said it would look too too much and then I changed the dress to Black and then we went to the party and his friend got drunk and

Isis Hongaccidentally accidentally spilled wine on my shoes on my dress can you tilt your mic down oh on my shoes just from the from the back here from the back oh

Isis Hongmy God no no no down there you go okay go ahead on my shoes and on my dress and um and I just broke out crying and I couldn't stop crying cuz I feel like I was just triggered by something and I

Brian Atlasjust cried all night with him and then he never saw me again you said you groped a a guy at the bar because you were bored can we bong to another person forbid well I got to get through all

Isis Hongyour notes here so um was this the thing you already told us about I don't think so so there's one time I was at a bar and my friend was hit on by Australian dude and she's

Isis Hongreally interested so I was being a good friend trying to make conversation with the neighboring and then this guy has pretty good big arms really into arms so I started like you know chatting with him talking to him about his arms I was

Isis Honglike can I touch it and I started touching his arms and like you know just started you can tell when a guy likes it so I started you know groping him touching him he really liked me and we left contact the next day he asked me out but at the time I was like my

Isis Hongtherapist was like don't date so I decided not to date I said no I'm not dating at the moment two weeks later I was streaming a Tik Tok that's when I had 2,000 followers little less than so I was like I was willing to do anything

Isis Hongto increase my views I was cat calling on the street that was one and only time I was cut call on the street and that me and my friend were setting up the camera and then we did that for 2 hours and the

Isis Honglast 5 minutes I was like okay just one last guy and then I'm going to go home and then this guy walks past two guys walk past in suits I hacko them and then

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