Men INSECURE About Body Count?! NYC Gold Digger Has Roster Of SIMPS?! | Dating Talk #187

Date: 2024-08-14

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

TTamara (Dutch Jessica Rabbit)>

VVivian (DT187)>

AAlexa (DT187)>

MMaddie (DT187)>

DDominica (DT187)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Maddie(guest)

SPEAKER_03(guest)

SPEAKER_05Isis Hong(guest)

SPEAKER_08(audience)

SPEAKER_10Lauren Kofi(guest)

SPEAKER_11Shane Smith(guest)

SPEAKER_12Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_14Tamara(guest)

Key Moments

IntroJaspachy introduces herself: 25yo Las Vegas content creator/OnlyFans

“Hi guys I'm just pachy I'm 25 I currently live in Las Vegas Nevada and I'm a full-time content creator streamer and I do only fan.”

IntroIsis Hong introduces herself: 27yo NYC software engineer/TikToker, born China, Korean parents

“Hi my name is Isis ... I'm 27 ... I do TikTok my username is Isis Hong ... I'm also a software engineer. I got a degree in Biochemistry and computer science. Born in China (Korean parents), moved to Seattle at 15, college at 16.”

IntroTamara introduces herself: Dutch Jessica Rabbit, 28, Netherlands, content creator/student

“Hi my name is Tamara better known as the Dutch Jessica Rabbit I'm from the Netherlands ... I'm 28 I'm an adult industry content creator and I'm also a student studying legal administration.”

IntroLauren Kofi introduces herself: 30yo singer-songwriter/model/actress, Nottingham/London, Blue Therapy

“I'm Lauren Kofi I'm a singer songwriter model and actress ... from Nottingham but I live in London age 30. Was on Blue Therapy.”

IntroShane Smith introduces himself: 37yo Utah comedian, ex-motorcycle club member

“I'm Shane Smith I'm 37 I'm from Utah and I'm a comedian. Grew up with stepfather in motorcycle club, got full sleeves and neck tattoos at 18. I am out.”

Key MomentJaspachy reveals she married at 18, divorced Marine husband after 5 years; he cheated with her best friend

“I am single ... my longest relationship was 5 years ... I got married at 18 out of high school. He said he didn't love me while we were married ... there was infidelity ... he cheated with my best friend.”

Key MomentTamara reveals she had labiaplasty; describes them as extremely large, painful, and brought photos

“I got [labiaplasty] ... they were dead big they removed on each side ... it looks like a dick when I wore a bikini that is how big they were ... I have pictures.”

Key MomentIsis argues Brian is selfish for not wanting marriage since he can get all benefits without it

“If you're selfish and can't convince you to do something unless there's a value I'm providing ... fundamentally if you're selfish you can't be convinced... the only way is if she's a billionaire.”

QuoteBrian states the only scenario where he'd get married: if she's a billionaire

“Yeah that's the scenario in which I'll get married ... if she's a billionaire I will marry her.”

Key MomentSelf-rating round: guests rate looks 1-10 (no 7s). Isis: 6. Jaspachy: 10. Lauren: 8-10. Dominica: 5. Maddie: 5. Brian: 5.

“Starting with Isis what... six. [SPEAKER_03]: five in the US two in European countries... six. [Lauren/SPEAKER_10]: in Texas I'm an eight but in California a six... I'm a 10 sometimes as a model. Brian: five.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she asked a man for a $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition for second date; he complied; later had threesome with him and his girlfriend

“He said what designer do you like I said I like Tiffany but I don't like silver ... Buy me something ... about $2,500 ... and that was my first and only threesome — with him and his girlfriend, on my birthday.”

ControversyBrian calls Isis a "certified gold digger" after learning about bracelet demand and roster behavior

“She is a certified gold digger. She grabs dude's dicks within minutes of meeting them but she claims to have a low body count. It doesn't really add up.”

Key MomentBody count round: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputes); SPEAKER_03 mix: 3 and <10; Shane declines (>11)

“Jaspachy: probably like 30ish which is very low for somebody in that ... does porn ... four of those are from this week. Isis: less than 10. [SPEAKER_03]: less than 10 / three. Shane: 11 ... I won't be saying [exact number] at all.”

Key MomentIsis reveals she measured men's penis size on first dates; had 9-inch experience; doesn't need men for orgasms

“I always know [the size] because I measure it ... I don't want men to fool me. He was 9 [inches] ... for someone so handsome he's really not good at sex. If he can't get me off I have my vibrator.”

QuoteIsis TikTok video read aloud: viral "if you wanted to you would" video about staying with wrong partners

“It's not that if he wanted to he would, it's that if you wanted to you would. If you wanted to find a man that treats you the way you want to be treated you would. The problem was never them, it has always been you.”

QuoteShane says he'd like to return for a deeper conversation about the porn industry

“I'd love to. I'd like to... I would love to talk more about the porn industry like in a fair question that I'm always doing.”

Topics Discussed

Show intro and announcements

Brian Atlas opens the show, standard platform announcements: Streamlabs, Twitch, merch, Discord, TTS triggers, BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit joke.

Guest introductions (round 1) — name, age, location, occupation

All guests introduce themselves in order: Jaspachy (25, Las Vegas, content creator/OnlyFans), Isis Hong (27, NYC, software engineer/TikToker), Tamara (28, Netherlands, content creator/student), Vivian (18, Orinda CA, music intern), Lucy (19, LA, student), Alexa (21, Baltimore, OnlyFans/student), Maddie (27, Dallas, deaf thrift store), Lauren Kofi (30, London, singer/model/actress), Shane Smith (37, Utah, comedian), Dominica (22, LA, cosmetology student). Extended discussion of Tamara's Netherlands background, red light district school trips, labiaplasty.

Relationship status round

Brian asks each guest current relationship status, longest relationship, how long single. Jaspachy: single 2.5yr, divorced Marine husband (cheated with best friend), now celibate. Isis: casually seeing someone ~2-3 months, not yet had sex with him. Tamara: single (brief 2-month thing earlier); does not do one-night stands. Vivian: single ~9 months, on-and-off guy for 7 months. Lucy: single. Alexa: single ~1.5yr (ex had Grindr + another girlfriend). Maddie: relationship 1yr 2mo. Lauren: single 1+ year. Shane: married October prior. Dominica: single ~4 months.

Tamara's labiaplasty and OnlyFans discussion

Tamara shares she had a labiaplasty (labia were extremely large, caused pain). Brought photos. Brian's BLM (Big Labia Matter) nonprofit discussed. Shane defends all body types. Discussion of Tamara continuing OnlyFans until financially stable; Shane challenges whether she will find traditional man while doing adult content.

Marriage debate — should men get married?

Extended panel discussion on whether men should get married. Brian lays out financial/legal risks (prenup limitations, community property, divorce attorney costs). Guests attempt to convince Brian. Isis argues Brian is selfish; Brian says he would marry a female billionaire. Tamara argues marriage is about love and commitment, not fear of cheating. Jaspachy argues risks go both ways; references her military marriage experience. Discussion of taking husband's last name — split opinions.

Feminist/patriarchy questions

Quick round: who considers themselves a feminist? (none raised hands). Brief discussion of patriarchy in context of marriage traditions.

Self-rating round (looks 1-10, no 7s)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10 (no 7s allowed), starting with Isis. Isis: 6. Jaspachy: rated herself 10 (oscillating). Lauren: 8-10 (model). Dominica: 5 in US, 2 in Europe. Maddie: 5. Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: 5-6. Brian: 5. Extended tangent on Jaspachy's 10 self-rating and whether she's the most attractive at table.

Will you look better in 10 years?

Brian asks each guest if they'll be more attractive in 10 years. Isis: yes to all ages until death. Tamara: yes at 38, maybe 48, no after 58. Lauren: same/slightly better for a few years then decline. Dominica: better at 32, then plateau. Brian gave himself 5/10; Shane says he was better looking when younger.

Musical chairs / panel reshuffle

Brief segment: chairs rearranged when Isis moves or leaves briefly. Show notes section begins.

Height preferences

Brian asks each guest: how tall are you and minimum height for a partner? Isis: 5'3", used to require 6ft but now dating shorter man. Tamara: wears heels, doesn't judge height if he has dominant energy. Multiple guests: 5'2-5'3" heights, minimum ~4'11 to 5'6". Shane: doesn't care about height in a partner. Brian: 5'7".

Pre-show notes: Isis Hong deep-dive

Brian reviews Isis's Instagram and TikToks. Isis's request for $2,500 Tiffany bracelet as condition of second date — she got it, and later had a threesome with him and his girlfriend (her only threesome). Panel debates whether this is sex work. Discussion of Isis's roster period (a first date every day for 2+ months). Brian calls her a certified gold digger; Isis defends authenticity. Isis outed her brother as gay on show (name: Tony). She mentions $200k/year income requirement for men.

Tiffany bracelet / gold-digger / sex-work debate

Panel debates whether Isis getting a $2,500 bracelet from a date constitutes sex work. Tamara says world is transactional. Isis denies it was sex work (sex came much later). Shane argues it's similar to sex work by analogy. Discussion of women having easy mode dating vs men's difficulty.

Body count discussion — does it matter?

Extended panel discussion on body count. Does it matter for relationships? Brian says men prefer lower body count. Shane: high body count affects how people want to date you (not inherent worth). Female guests push back — shame vs double standard. Body counts revealed: Jaspachy ~30-40; Isis claims <10 (Brian disputed); Others in SPEAKER_03 mix: "less than 10" and "3." Shane: declined, >11.

Insecurity about body count — men's perspective

Brian argues it's not insecurity to prefer low body count partners. Jaspachy accuses Brian of shaming women. Shane notes no man has ever wished his girlfriend had more partners. Discussion of hookup culture and whether it benefits women. Alexa discussion of ex-boyfriend (bisexual, had another girlfriend).

Adult content industry and relationships

Panel discusses whether women who do OnlyFans can be in monogamous relationships. Jaspachy says filming is professional, not intimate — boyfriend is consensual. Shane challenges what "commitment" means if partner films with others. Tamara adds perspective from her experience in adult content. Brian: girlfriend who does porn = she's cheating on him if he can't also see others.

Child support, abortion rights, and bodily autonomy

Brian frames asymmetry: women can get abortions, men always pay child support. Should men have legal paternal surrender (opt out of child support)? Extended back-and-forth with SPEAKER_03 guests. Tamara: Netherlands requires both men and women to register for potential draft. Isis argues forced military conscription is worse than abortion bans. Panel mostly agrees women should be drafted if they want equality.

TikTok reaction: Isis Show Season 1 and 2

Brian plays and reacts to Isis's TikTok videos. Videos about orgasms/followers, rotation-era sadness, men not getting her off, going to the mall hoping to see her ex, heartbreak vulnerability. Tamara and panel comment on authenticity vs performing for content. Isis defends truth-telling approach. Panel reaches rare consensus on one of her videos about staying with wrong partners.

Show wrap-up and final thoughts

TTS roast section (10 minutes, $30 threshold). Chat calls Isis "most despicable woman" and "CCP plant." Tamara and Brian banter about going on a date (he declines due to OnlyFans). Shane says he'd love to come back. Isis leaves slightly early. Brian does outro, thanks panel, announces next show Sunday 5pm Pacific.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasalready because it's already life right just curi sure I mean that that is that is an argument that gets brought up but uh I mean I would more more so be interested in asking the pro-choice

Brian Atlaswomen uh should men pay child support before the baby's born assuming the mother wants to keep the child and you don't I'm asking the question to the pro

SPEAKER_03choice um before the baby is born yeah should the man have to pay child for no like medical expens you got you you got to be into the microphone then for medical expenses like during the

Brian Atlaspregnancy sure um honestly I haven't really thought about that

Brian Atlasbut do you think you think men should so child support mean means what well it's child I mean you could definitely how soon into the pregnancy

Brian Atlasshould men pay child support is this if they can hold on hold on how soon into the pregnancy cuz as a woman you can find out you're pregnant you can find out you're pregnant at 6 weeks right

Brian Atlasonce your what's once the baby is born well okay that's the standard though but should men pay child support prior to the birth I mean I don't think that's

SPEAKER_03like a de pressing issue you only car the question just answer the question okay then do you think they should it's a should question it's such a small

Brian Atlasthing yeah sure what I say no if you have a loving supporting partner or baby daddy so at what point okay so at what point along the pregnancy should a man

SPEAKER_03start paying child support as soon as she finds out at say six weeks no when it's I say it's Bor okay but these two have different opinions no I don't when should the guy start paying child support in a world where men are

SPEAKER_03required to pay child support before the baby is born I guess like an appropriate time would be um when she finds out she's pregnant no

Isis Honglike maybe the three months six months I don't months she is to start preparing I don't know it's stupid it's like how much money is in that like just answer the question I don't know whatever yes

Isis Hongno you will it's such a stupid question so another question I don't think it's a stupid question but okay yeah I I

Brian Atlasbelieve you believe that okay um do you think or would

Brian Atlasyou show of hens again who's pro-choice just curious in the middle okay so those of you who are

Brian Atlaspro-choice if you could if it meant that women would always have the right to an abortion uh

Brian Atlaswould you be in favor of disallowing men from being able to vote on abortion related

Brian Atlasmatters so if it's just women determining it right because I mean there this is a common thing they say well this is a woman's issue I do you think men should be precluded from being

SPEAKER_03allowed to vote on abortion issues I mean I think that I think that like they should be able to vote on stuff but I feel like maybe it's like I feel like they're not really a lot of them are not educated on it and stuff okay but I I

SPEAKER_03yeah I guess I guess because I think that if it was just women voting I think that it would probably be it would be in favor Pro Choice okay so you would take away men's right to vote on this

Brian Atlasissue I mean I think everyone should be able to vote so but but if it guaranteed and I think it would if you removed men's right to vote on this issue I

Brian Atlasthink it would likely guarantee women's ability to have an sure women can determine their own like m so then would you be in favor of walking B walking back men's right to

SPEAKER_03vote on this issue I don't know I mean okay I need answers from other people then no just get on to the mic okay simple answer no I think everybody should have

Isis Hongthe right to vote on anything in our country okay what about you no they should be even okay I think they should have right equal rights like both should be able to vote on all issues but so

Brian Atlaseven if as somebody who's pro-choice even if you could secure women's right to abortion Forever by preventing men from voting on this is that's not fair like I don't think that's fair because if I do that to you guys you guys can

Tamaraturn around and like oh I'm going to do that to you too and this is like a war that never ends so it should be equal and like equal competition I think it's dangerous as well because as a woman we have sometimes the a to have a child

Tamararight that feeling is very strong and I think men would like to have children as well at some point and if a woman can take away a man's passion to have a child like we women have for like the I

Brian Atlasto have a child I think it's very damaging to a man as well okay um but yeah Andrew's not here you did want to talk about abortion but I think you have

Brian Atlasare Dominica did I say right yeah you uh you're pro life right so why don't you guys have a brief conversation

SPEAKER_03on this then well um I mean I have I have my position pretty much so I definitely think that the man

SPEAKER_03should have a say because without the man there's there's nothing in there you know um they're both in it together um so I think that's just fair well not about the whole voting

Brian Atlasthing so just going back to abortion rights in general so you don't think you're pro-life right right so then I'm assuming you're not in favor of uh even early on in the pregnancy you're not in

Brian Atlasfavor of women being allow to have abortions correct correct okay yeah she says 20 20 weeks what what's your cut off oh um viability is that your cut off

SPEAKER_03for having an abortion yeah is it viability uh it's if you can deliver then you should deliver like if the baby can survive outside the womb Sur

Brian Atlasviability okay so my understanding Dominica uh life begins at conception for you yeah okay

SPEAKER_03so for sure go on um I I mean I I disagree with you because I mean you're literally taking a life out of out of someone you know

SPEAKER_03you're you're telling them no you cannot live and I just think that's that's kind of sad to like just take that right from from someone from a baby who hasn't been

SPEAKER_03entirely processed yet so yeah um I would say what every everyone has a def

SPEAKER_03different definition of life and so that is why it's like a pretty hard topic but um I do feel like aside from that I feel like we have

SPEAKER_03B bodily autonomy so I would bring up the point of like an organ donor would you would you do you think it's okay to give up an organ that wouldn't affect

SPEAKER_03you to save someone's life do I think say that again sorry aren't like kidneys like you can lose one it doesn't matter like donate it

SPEAKER_03right but this is a whole life it's not just a kidney just lose the child it doesn't matter just throw it in a bin we don't care sure but it's someone else's

SPEAKER_03life if they have a yeah so does one life like do you do you really have the authority to say like I I think there's accountability like if you got pregnant

SPEAKER_03you got pregnant there's birth control and all that so but I think like like if you don't want to have a kid you you kind of shouldn't because you're not going to be a good parent in my opinion

Shane Smithit could change you just put it for adoption there's a difference between using your bodily autonomy to Save a Life and using your bodily autonomy to end a life yeah but should you be forced

SPEAKER_03to go through with something for another person's life but if he do want to have children you should if you were not careful even if you don't life in the womb it will be a

Maddielife but after not and if you kill it you're taking away any chance of that not it's not alive yet will be okay sperm could

Tamarabe alive SPM could be alive too exactly yes and it's sacred and you shouldn't do it outside of a woman if children use protection everybody use everybody

Isis Hongwatching this podcast guy masturb he kills so many babies all these sperm C so many so many babies potential though that is literally you guys are saying that

SPEAKER_03like I'm saying sperm is alive you guys are so brutal really really extreme Christians like don't even believe in uh like contraception yeah contraception yeah for sure okay but it's like the

Tamarasame type I don't know you can you have a right to religion for sure super far from the microphone you should make whatever podcast condoms would be so funny as merch that would be hilarious oh my God it would be so funny as merch

Brian Atlaswell here's a question oh so those of you uh those of you women who are in who are pro-choice um do you think men should be able to escape the responsibility of

Brian AtlasChild Support no I mean ah pro-choice your I'm both okay you're both I'm both so you you're fine with like women getting abortion are you fine with a woman getting an abortion because she's just

Brian Atlasnot financially ready to have a chance no I think that's so stupid but we live in a world where you just kind of like it's you think it's stupid but but okay so you can allow it for she's not financially ready to have a child stupid

Brian Atlasthough very so should a man be able to escape uh financial responsibility I mean if I'm going to stick to what I'm saying yeah I guess so pro-choice should men not have to pay

SPEAKER_06child support if they don't want to pro-choice should men have to not pay your pro-choice I was just yeah and pro choice I think men should always pay

Isis Hongchild support okay if there's a child because you brought the child to the world but what if but what if he wanted you to have an so and you didn't wait so

Brian Atlasjust so I'm clear well he he didn't use protection so you opened your legs a girl not hold on let me get the answer from everybody uh pro-choice

Brian Atlaspro-choice pro-choice should men let's say a guy hooks up the girl she gets pregnant he doesn't want the kid she does should he have have to pay child

SPEAKER_03support um no I believe that child support is different from an like abortion rights if that's what you're getting to I don't know what like if there's a connection yeah there's no con

SPEAKER_03there's AB hold on there absolutely isn't a connection why don't you just answer the question oh I literally thought you were like trying to make a point about it I didn't I'm about to make a point but you can answer the

Brian Atlasquestion I said I said uh yes yes men should have to pay child support okay what about you I feel like you got to you got to

SPEAKER_03speak into the mic okay I think I know where you're going with this and I actually do believe that um I mean I don't exactly know how we'd be able to make this work out but

SPEAKER_03abortion should be somewhat of a collective decision I am pro-choice but I think in a world where men or the baby daddy or whoever does have somewhat of a say in whether

SPEAKER_03this fetus is going to be terminated or not then yes child support should be required do you understand what I'm saying with that um because I know you're trying to say women have the

SPEAKER_03choice to just get rid of their child if they want to whereas men don't and if they walk away from it they're ashamed and they're um they can be taken to court they are not always ashamed I

SPEAKER_03think some men can also not pay for child I did not say that they're ashamed that they are shamed by Society for being dead Beats back to your point what do you think um I mean I think that it's

SPEAKER_03like kind of um I guess I don't know like because think like so what if the man is a is he wants her to get an abortion he's not doesn't value that but what if the woman even though like so

SPEAKER_03say like like you want you're Pro uh pro-life so if you were got knocked up by a dude that was like he wants you to have the abortion but you didn't now you're not receiving funding for that you're not getting no child support and

SPEAKER_03you have to deal with that alone so it's like you like you know what I mean like you still have the choice but would you do it you would just suffer probably you know what I mean you wouldn't have money do you want to answer the question as

Brian Atlaswell um you sassy but um but yes I think they should okay because of that re in her situation but what about the situation well in general it would make

Brian Atlassense that yeah obviously like if they had the choice it always be the situation that the woman kept the opted to keep the child because there could be no child support absent a child being

Brian Atlasborn so the situation would always be he didn't want the child and she did there's no other scenario yeah that's what I'm saying like she want because she's like religious or are you religious that's why so like you wanted

SPEAKER_03to keep it but then so you're going to keep it but he doesn't want you to keep it and so you keep it because you're religious but then now you don't have any funding and you're Ian you can make secular anti-abortion arguments they're not all plenty of nonreligious people

Brian Atlasdon't want to get abortions because it makes them feel so hold on hold on hold on I got to make my argument here so those of you I think all of you said that uh yes men should

Brian Atlashave to pay child support no I said no well you're you're on the fence on pro-life pro choice but so going back to your thing so you're saying well yes I think this is what you said you said in

Brian Atlasa a world you think that both men and women honestly like too far from the mic I don't have an answer for you a clear answer for you about that but I'm saying

SPEAKER_03in a perfect world where I don't know well we don't how about the current world should men pay always be required

SPEAKER_03to pay child support no okay so that's your question yeah

SPEAKER_03sure um no not necessarily I say know I actually know if that's I didn't know it was always I thought it was like I I I

SPEAKER_03it can be debated but like that's the default in my opinion you should have the right to go to court and say I don't want to pay child but if the man doesn't acknowledge the child he hasn't and a lot of times

SPEAKER_03in these cases it's like a guy that stays with this woman and with the promise of like helping raise this child and then ends up leaving so the woman's just going to suffer financially yes and

Tamaraso it's like what the [ __ ] like where did you go open your legs right what you opened your leg so it's action reaction right you made a choice stick up with that choice it's Action Reaction like

Tamaraconsequences and I also think if a man doesn't acknowledge the child he shouldn't be paying child support and I think a lot of women also get pregnant in hopes of getting money out of a men

Tamaraas a scheme as well and I think that should be consideration I think that's a lot of women oh girl it is no so do you think do you think there are men out

Brian Atlasthere there's there's literally an entire legal and court system that will force and compel men to pay child support they don't want to in the Netherlands you do not have that if men

Brian Atlaswere just willing to pay child support for unwanted children they would but there's an enforcement arm of the government that forces men it's actually

Brian Atlaswe've totally done away with debtor prisons so we we deemed it like uh unethical essentially to send people to prison for Financial debts except when

Brian Atlasit comes to uh unpaid child support as a man you can go to prison for that in the Netherlands you do not have that if you are pregnant as a woman and you just say I do not acknowledge this man as a

Tamarafather you will not sign him on the birth certificate he will not pay [ __ ] and he's not entitled to the child as well hold on but in the Netherlands could a woman say that this is the

Brian Atlasfather and I want him to pay child support can can he be legally to pay child would be very hard because if he on the papers and anything it would be

Brian AtlasNetherlands it's possible but it will be hard because he didn't put his name on the paper the government of the Netherlands the parent is obliged to pay child maintenance until the child turns 21 if he acknowledged the child yeah is

Tamarahe acknowledg the child if he doesn't acknowledge the child it's a different story because he isn't entitled to that child as well so she can just say he's not the father

SPEAKER_08he he will not be on the birth certificate whatsoever J donated $200 the level of understanding on this issue is zero when does the child

SPEAKER_08establish value that it can't be killed now justify why you drew the line there you can't draw a coherent line

Brian Atlaspostconception well she's saying viability so once the the baby is capable of surviving outside the womb

Brian Atlasthat's her that's her line um but uh back to this I I got to sorry gvan I do have to move it back to the Childs board thing so I don't know how

Brian Atlasit is in the Netherlands I'm not privy to that speaking about uh the US system and the system in a lot of other countries so uh yeah the man can be forced and compelled to pay child

Brian Atlassupport that's crazy even if he didn't want to he could here's a scenario a guy could have a one night stand with a girl with the she could say I'm on birth with control boom boom boom I don't want to have a kid she lied about it whatever

Brian Atlasand then she gets pregnant he just wanted to have fun one night stand he could be on the hook for 18 years of uh child support so if I get pregnant on purpose by some billionaire for example just because I want to have like the

Tamaramoney and I know he's rich I can do that and sue him in America for child support you can yeah you can try to get child that's dangerous it's dangerous to be a man you see my point it's dangerous to

Brian Atlasbe a man out there dangerous but so um I guess going back to this so you you guys kind of flip-flopped on your answer here a little bit because I was asking do you think men should be like required

SPEAKER_03to pay child support and you guys said yes you said yes yes yes yes so I no I didn't understand the question I thought you were I thought

SPEAKER_03you were asking generally should we default too men like not every single man has to pay child support of course they like it should be debatable in court but it's not I disagree with that

Brian Atlaswell hold on okay so the current state of affairs in this country in every single state in this country if a man has a child with a

Brian Atlaswoman wanted or unwanted doesn't matter any single woman can go to the court go to uh I depends on the State Child

Brian AtlasServices whatever it is and she can go after him for child support the men in no instance can say go to the court and

Brian Atlashis defense can never be I don't want to pay child support the court will be like you're going to pay child support so you disagree like what do you mean

SPEAKER_03you dis like that is the law so I don't know what debate we're supposed to have you asked me if I believe in that that is that that should be and I'm saying if

SPEAKER_03I made the rules that would not be the case so but so you're saying in some cases the man should not yeah some in some cases if the man is like super broke and can't support himself there's

Brian Atlasno let's say he's wealthy he just yeah but I'm saying there are cases where you don't have to pay child support no you okay well I mean if the man's making no money actually well that's not even true

Brian Atlasif the man is no making is not making any money and the woman presses it enough brings it to court the court is going to still um the court is still going to attempt to start charging him

Brian Atlaschild support he might not be able to pay it but he's going to owe it and if he doesn't start paying it he's going to end up with uh California cancel your license there's going to be interest yeah you'll get your license canceled

SPEAKER_03and eventually you'll probably end up in prison or jail Jes her answer is no basically I I disagree that that I think that's wrong what do you mean I'm you think I'm wrong about the law I don't

SPEAKER_03think you're wrong I think the law would do the law if I was was like a law maker like that's all saying so you're fine for example then with men just not paying child support I think it

SPEAKER_03should default to men paying child support I think as a man you have a right to go to court you should have the right to go to court and say I should not pay child support for this reason

Brian Atlasyou should be able to escape that if so then bringing it back to abortion does a woman need to go to court and give her reasons for why she wants an abortion or

SPEAKER_03can she get an abortion for any [ __ ] reason without any judicial oversight um I think that it's actually that's probably the best case scenario

SPEAKER_03is that you are actually looking at the situations I don't because I don't think you should get an abortion for no reason but but can a woman get an abortion for

SPEAKER_03any reason um like do I believe that that should be a right no I'm just asking you what is oh well that I think there are

Brian Atlasstates that that's that that's legal yeah abortion is Right abortion rights have been Limited in some states but many states women can get abortions for

SPEAKER_03any reason they don't need justification I I would also say that an abortion like the reason to get an abort there there can't be no reason so like the I would

SPEAKER_03say there's like a better reason and a worse reason I would say that a like a a worse reason is

SPEAKER_03is like you can support the child and you

SPEAKER_03like like like if you can support the child and you want a kid like eventually and it's just not the right

SPEAKER_03time I think not the right time is kind of like not as good of a reason as if you were like you know essayed there's like a variety of

Brian Atlasre I would argue most women getting abortions is just because they were irresponsible why would you argue that the men are irresponsible they are the

Brian Atlasthe men are irresponsible too but you opened your leg your yeah most most abortions are just for like convenience it's not what's the like so what like I don't want it I wouldn't say it's used

Isis Hongas like birth control like I know that's an argument but like I would say like so what even if they were irresponsible I think they should be allowed to do that it's our body like you are you a woman

Isis Hongyou know what it's like to be a woman you have a uterus you have periods you know nothing about being a woman you're like oh get rid of your baby don't get rid of your baby like what who are you to make that decision there should be no government if I want to I should be able

Isis Hongto if I'm depressed because I'm depressed I'm just sad I don't want to have baby this in 9 month I should be able to no what do you mean you entitled to your opinion but I'm entit to M

Brian Atlasthat's just my opinion wait so I mean no uterus no opinion is that your argument no opinion about women's uterus okay well it seems to assume that men are

Brian Atlasincapable of having understanding but I mean the entire pre it's basically all the woman's organs yes what about if you're getting an abortion and you know

Shane Smiththe gender of the baby and it's a woman what does that have to do with anything because you're talking about women's rights but what about that woman's right to to survive that's inside of you I don't see as a woman

Isis Hongwhen I don't consider a life a 9 month whatever month I don't know the signs is life and I don't think I killed anybody oh okay so I mean the whole like no

Brian Atlasuterus no opinion I mean it's you're it's a logical

Brian Atlasfallacy so okay neither males nor females have a monopoly on what is right or wrong true or false while the ramifications of the debate

Brian Atlasuh might have more immediate effect on a preg pregnant woman's body uh I don't think that alone uh that alone does not disqualify men from forming

Isis Hongwell-reasoned beliefs on the topic but they don't really have beliefs that's why you can vote it doesn't mean you can bend our rights about our body our organs do you know any law that

Brian Atlasbends anything related to your organs male's organs absolutely like what absolutely there is there any ban there are give me give me one B ferally Fally so I'll give you something that is is legal

Brian Atlasso something that's legal so uh circumcision I'm saying something that's C legal we notal yes female genital

Brian Atlasmutilation is illegal male gen genital mutilation is widely practiced among 99% of the born in this country

SPEAKER_08$200 I should be able to murder because I'm depressed what a [ __ ] ghoul if men can't have a position on abortion then you can have no opinion on war since you don't register this leads me

Brian Atlasto my next bodily autonomy argument Giovani thank you agree so yeah men have forced military conscription in this country okay so that's something the

Brian Atlasgovernment actually this is this is a bigger infringement on bodily autonomy by the government because nobody is forcing women to have sex huh nobody's

Isis Hongforcing women to have sex besides stuff like that literally all the Cults all the organization all the corruption Jesus open your eyes and read the news Okay 90

Brian Atlasprobably 95% stop okay 95% of abortions probably result from consensual sex I'll just grant you that some abortions are due to

Brian Atlasincest and saay I'll just grant it the vast majority of abortions arise out of consensual sex do you agree or disagree I don't know if that's but I think majority is yet I agree with

Brian Atlasconsensual sex okay so it's not wrong for me to state that so the government is not compelling anybody to go and have consensual sex you're not compelled and

Brian Atlasmost abortions are a result from consensual sex however the government has a direct and clear path to forced military conscription which is has to do

Brian Atlaswith male only bodly autonomy because only men in this country are forced to register for the Selective Service in the event of uh uh in the event of a

Isis Hongdraft only men can be drafted um going to a war is to help the society right you guys are fighting Wars and you are helping America to be America the woman when you're doing

Isis Hongabortion is literally harming our body so it's literally not the same thing sending a man off to war to get himself killed is not you want to go to Waring his body you can go to war if you want to go to war you want woman to go to war

Isis Hongwith men that's okay women aren't forced to go to because that's different there are different concepts going to war and is way worse than abortion it's way worse than abortion it's different but

Shane Smithit's a bodily autonomy issue several 100,000 young men in Ukraine are like blown to pieces I did I did them inary yeah against their will I don't

Brian Atlasknow just say so a woman not being allowed to get an abortion is worse than War say it wait let me think about this you just said wait I don't think that is okay no I'm not going to say that you're

Isis Honggoing to make it down by like that's literally your position say it no I'm not saying that I'm saying two different situation there's no comparison between the two what why am I saying more you're

Brian Atlasthe one making the comparison you're like Brian name a way that men don't have bodily autonomy I literally just bodily like body like your organ organ when you go you know what they shoot

Isis Hongyour organs yeah it's different you're not going to a hospital to get something taken out right I mean if you get something shot off it's great in my opinion it's

Brian Atlasdifferent I would love to hear your opinion transgenders though you know what forced military conscription is way worse than women's lack of abortion

Isis Hongaccess in some states 100% agree with you way worse I think men should go to war women should have abortion that's my opinion but why is it if you are a woman you

Tamaracan how about how about men are not forced and women are not forced that that's what I'm going to say yeah why is it as a woman we can always say oh no I'm a woman it will hurts my feelings I

Tamaracannot do that and a man be like [ __ ] I have to do this we want as a woman we want a strong man who's manly but if he gives us a compliment to sexual assault if he helps makes choices is horrible he's a horrible generalizing

Tamaraovergeneralizing can I speak thank you you're greated thank you you're amazing good girl either way why is it always like that you know what I mean yeah great can I say something if you're

Isis Hongpro-choice why aren't you letting your baby be pro-choice to grow in life like I said I don't consider a baby I consider it like not alive before a certain does if you cannot take it out

Isis Hongyou're taking out their Natural Choice to live though so like I said like you guys are Al women are also taking a natural choice of so sperm to live when you masturbate it's like what at what point do you draw the line you can you

Brian Atlascan draw any line arbitrarily you know you can draw your line I draw my line what's wrong with that let me ask you a question what do you think was worse let's say and it's not let's say

Brian Atlasabortion was just 100% banned in this country what do you think is worse a ban on abortion or the current state of affairs when it comes to force military

Brian Atlasconscription in men like I said everything exists in a context no just tell me it's worse tell me it's worse why why are you forcing me to tell you something I don't believe in that's what you literally were arguing this do not

Isis Hongscream I I'm saying these two are different so you're not answering my like there's not a single organ we we're like forcing you to take out oh if you get Dro into the military they shoot

Tamarayour organs it's like law order you got to you don't not have a choice they shoot you what do you think they're shooting your hair extensions yeah calm down [ __ ] don't how about just don't

SPEAKER_03force the men like then you can like it goes the other way around as well men are not monsters but I still think die as a country though yeah know and that sucks and that's why they make

SPEAKER_03them how about that should women be drafted um I mean if they're like able to like fight I guess like I mean like listen like I'm like I'm a little girl like I can I work out but I don't really

Tamarathink I could do that many push-ups and do the same do as good as a man probably or the average man but sure but you want to be equ the same as the man you want the same rights but when the war breaks out

SPEAKER_03you want to stand in the kitchen um no I'm say until War comes yeah you want to be in the kitchen like oh no I think full female units would be an

SPEAKER_03interesting thing because you you talk about wartime right and a 200 lb man and 100b girl deployed is she going to be able to drag him who cares all female should women be able to volunteer for

Brian Atlasthe military and get the same exact [ __ ] pay as their male counterparts who are putting in more physical work in the Neen get paid the same amount of money donated

SPEAKER_08$200 Brian if you can you should have your assistant pull up the billberg cake batter comparison to abortion it's on YouTube uh the I don't know if it's a if it's a net Netflix will like copyright

Brian Atlasanything because it's probably a Netflix standup so we can't do it but big SAS energy I really appreciate that man uh but all of you are probably fine with women volunteering for the for the

SPEAKER_03military women should be bought okay women should be in the Netherlands from volunteering oh I mean if you want to I mean if you want to say like that um you're you're saying like women should

Brian Atlasbe like have to sign up for the draft and stuff no no no so okay so currently women can volunteer to be part of the military can anyone volunteer well yeah men and women can volunteer only men can be forced to the draft then if that you

Tamaraknow if if women are allowed to get abortions and you force the women to also sign up then sure in the Netherlands when you are 16 years old men and women you get a letter at home that you have to go to war if the war

Tamarabreaks out men and women there's no choice you want to be equal as a woman better you fight as a man then shut up if they you cannot stand in the kitchen and be stupid you fight if they want to stop

SPEAKER_03complaining about the abortion stuff and you just got to sign up for the draft sure I think women should be allowed to have abortions though okay um but I'm just a little

Brian Atlasconfused because you said well I wouldn't like oh aren't men stronger and like yeah I mean don't they disqualify people for like certain things like if you're like no they allow women to volunteer they

SPEAKER_03so I guess they lower the stand they actually have smaller lower Fitness they get paid the exact I guess if they get well that's not my fault I'm not 6 feet tall unfair I mean it sucks that I'm not

Brian Atlasa six foot tall buff like muscle mommy but like I can't change that it's just interesting women should be allowed to volunteer for the military and they should be paid just the same as men but

Brian Atlasalso men make for better soldiers but they shouldn't be paid the same and also I don't think I should be drafted should be in the draft either then what's that weaker men shouldn't be paid as much either and what makes a men

SPEAKER_03weaker like we're saying that about women right now Labor uh your mic a little bit you can like force me to sign up for the dra advantage of just being a man like you can force me to sign up if you want but

Brian Atlaslike it's not my fault I'm not a six foot tall buff M momy I just think last thing on the whole like child support thing bringing it back a little bit here I just think

Brian Atlasit's crazy that the same arguments like for example let's say let me frame it like this for those of you who said men should uh pay child support whatever uh a guy comes to you and he's like uh yeah

Brian AtlasI um don't want to pay child support didn't want to have a kid um what would you but hey with the current state of affairs so you could say well it should

Brian Atlasbe this way but the current state of affairs is if a guy hooks up with a girl she has a kid she decides to keep the kid she can she can and most often will force him to pay child support through

Brian Atlasthe court system so we can talk about what should be what you know future down the road but that's how it is right now so if a guy were to come to you and like your brother your male friend and he's like man I hate paying these child

Brian Atlassupports I hate paying this child support it really sucks what would you say to him I would tough shouldn't have done

SPEAKER_03that have no reason to like I don't like think that men I'm not like yeah you

SPEAKER_03better pay buddy like I think I mean I would comfort like my brother if he's

Brian Atlaslike upset about something mhm so yeah but I mean you can't really offer him anything aside from just what like oh you shouldn't have done that like offer

Brian Atlasadvice what to do so there's nothing he can do about it yeah he can't escape his responsibility so you would have you really the only thing you can say is you shouldn't have

SPEAKER_03done that well if I were to give advice I mean yeah but like there's kind of no point in saying that it's already done right but it's interesting the same

Brian Atlasarguments if a woman was like wanting to get an abortion and we said H well tough you shouldn't have done that you're going to have to deal with the ramifications women can always escap well in Most states in this country

Brian Atlaswomen can just you know look you can go to a different State get abortion in a different state women can always Escape their responsibility when it comes to this topic men can never Escape their

SPEAKER_03responsibility I disagree that's equivalent that's a fact though that's a fact no I don't think that paying child

Brian Atlassupport is like the same is not it's not my body my choice yeah because it's literally carrying a

Brian Atlasbaby no my body my choice so what about these men who are going to have for 18 years a lower standard of life let's say they have to physically labor most men

Brian Atlasare a lot of men are in construction work what if a man in an effort to uh not have his life financially [ __ ] Works an extra 10 hours a week and then it just further breaks down his body

SPEAKER_03over the 20 years that he's doing some construction job I that's his body like I said before I don't I wouldn't make that I would oh my God I wouldn't make

SPEAKER_03that rule that's not my but that's how it is so I'm talking I disagree with it if you take away child support then there's no there's no

SPEAKER_03ramifications I don't hold that value so you can't make the the you can't like say that because the law exists that that that's my logic it's not my logic that's the thing I'm just saying then

Brian Atlasthis you're like down plying downplaying the serious impact that it could have on a man's life you don't think there's an impact it could have on man's life because you're saying well it's uh the

Tamarawoman has to you know carry the child for 9 months well I'm not saying that about child support I'm saying that about abortion I think what you are saying is like if a woman cannot pay for it she can abort

Tamarathe child because she will be in a horrible situation she cannot pay for it it will be horri horrible for the child but if the man cannot pay for it is the same thing yeah so you want to be equal

SPEAKER_03but only for a woman again that's kind of hor no I agree with you that men shouldn't have to pay child support if they can't afford it but can he then make the decision for her to lose the

Tamarachild because nobody can pay for it then uh so are you really Pro lifee if nobody can pays for the child you're am I really well I don't

SPEAKER_03understand if the man cannot pay for the child a woman cannot pay for the child would you keep the child then because you're a pro life if no one wants to abort the child like how about this let me ask you a question adoption

Brian AtlasI think this will make things a little easier a really rich woman gets pregnant and her only objection is she just doesn't want to have the kid can she get

SPEAKER_03an abortion I personally think that that's not a good reason but I oh because I wouldn't I wouldn't do it

Brian Atlasmyself just because I don't want to like I personally no she she doesn't feel like she's ready she she's financially fine she just has a general feeling like

SPEAKER_03she doesn't want to have the kid yeah I think that the result of that would be the I mean would you bar women who have that view from getting abortions uh no I

Brian AtlasI would I think you should have the right to do that um okay so then a rich man who can afford to support pay child

Brian Atlassupport but he just doesn't want to should he be able to escape his duty and responsibility of having to pay child

SPEAKER_03support if he has a genuine reason like the woman is then he can nope he just doesn't he wants to go to court and debate it then that's fine I think what

SPEAKER_03do you mean if he okay but so you're saying if he wants to go to court and debate it what should the court do the court should make a just decision

SPEAKER_03and say you have to pay child support or not so what should the court do in that situation should the this literally an imaginary Court you introduced the

SPEAKER_03imaginary I disagree that men should have to pay child support so what should the court do I think you're saying how would they evaluate whether a man should or no no

Brian Atlasno hold on let's rewind let's rewind you said a scenario in which it would be okay for a guy to escape his responsibility of having to pay child support would be if he doesn't have

Brian Atlasmoney that would be one example yeah right okay but then I said well okay let's talk about if it's a rich woman you said that's not justification that

Brian Atlasuh a rich woman who just doesn't want to have a kid that's not justification for her being allowed to have an abortion now we're giving the counter example of a rich man he can he can pay child

SPEAKER_03support he just doesn't think it's fair and he doesn't want to I think he should have the right to go to a courthouse and like Sue I think he has the right to

Brian Atlaslike sue and say I don't want to pay child support no but that's not how it works the woman okay here's how it would work the woman wants child support from him she goes to the court and says I

Brian Atlaswant child support are you following here why would I can I say something hold on

Brian Atlaslet me try to my God please uh so men don't like proactively go to a court and say I don't want that never happens I'm

SPEAKER_03yeah because it's the law like you said I'm saying if I made the law because I fundamentally disagree that mention so what would be the law okay the law that

SPEAKER_03would determine like if you should or should not pay child support would be the circumstances is if it is not feasible for the man to pay it if it's

SPEAKER_03like if the woman can if the woman doesn't need it basically or if the man can't pay it then you shouldn't go into debt in let let's assume that the woman

Brian Atlasdoes need it okay let's assume the woman needs it and the man is rich but he just doesn't want he had a one night stand with her he had no

Brian Atlasintention of having a kid she decided to keep the baby he has the uh I don't think I think it but she there's now a kid that exists that

Tamaraconceivably it takes money to take care of a kid she doesn't have the money so what's your question you know next subject because this will be hold on I feel like we're

Brian Atlasalmost there I feel like we're almost there almost I hocy I think she has hold on hold on hold on hold on so should

Brian Atlaswhat would be you're the judge you pass the law should the man have to pay child support um if he's Rich it should

SPEAKER_03doesn't want to as I've like said many times it should default to you pay child support otherwise if you don't want to pay child support I believe that you

SPEAKER_03should legally be able to as a man like sue the woman and and make your case that you don't you shouldn't have to pay child support I think it should

Shane Smithbe like in that system it would discriminate against poor people only rich men would be able to I think what she saying that a men should also have a

Brian Atlaschoice in whether he wants b or not I I think what we're getting at here is that in a world where women have the right to an abortion for

Brian Atlasany reason men should have a corresponding right to have a uh legal paternal surrender where they don't have

SPEAKER_03to pay child support okay I I will I will actually say um that I I don't really like I don't really feel like men I

SPEAKER_03don't genuinely feel like men should have to like pay child support I don't have strong feelings about that so so I'm going to say if that's what it takes

SPEAKER_03for like abortion rights to be um legal like more like and have a even playing

SPEAKER_03field I I'm fine like I will agree that you that men don't have to pay child support can I say something okay so you

Brian Atlaswill acknowledge though that there are that women are able to get abortions but in every single state in this country men are forced to pay child support do you do you think that that's wrong um

Brian Atlasthe law as it currently is not what should be what is you think it's wrong that men should pay child support yes and have no escape from yeah I think that's wrong okay all right um all right

Brian Atlaswhat's like crazy about should we like go to her seconds I'm okay with us moving from the topic because oh I'm ready to move we do have one other note man we I should move okay all right you're a comedian right get get me ain't

Tamaranothing funny about this sweetheart do we get no no no do we get like free tickets to your next show because you're probably going to talk [ __ ] about this oh no do we get free tickets no I don't

Brian Atlaswant to talk about this um so you said uh you said this was a disagreement women's rights being made up that was

Shane Smithsomething that I saw Andrew speak on so I don't oh know do you think he is he referencing the idea that women's rights are fake because they're only given by

Shane Smithmen yes yeah because of the thing yeah yeah because in in in the world you know the strongest people make all the rules and so if the strong people make the rules that women have rights and then they enforce them legally through

Shane Smithviolence and the only reason women have rights is cuz men use violence to make sure women have rights yeah so I hear

SPEAKER_03that and no yeah and I disagree I what I what I disagree on is um women make

SPEAKER_03every human being so would you eternally owe homage to your mother I mean I I I you can't you can't like we do not make

SPEAKER_03CH you need sperm for that right say you're saying because men can physically dominate women that women don't naturally have rights men also dominate each other we don't naturally have right

Brian Atlasa lot of women are Dominator as well right we like sub so I think that most men have love for their mothers but I don't think that actually addresses the

Brian Atlasargument if like for example let's say a group of men decided that tomorrow and this played out recently in Afghanistan essentially uh they decide

Brian Atlastomorrow we don't believe we don't like feminism we don't don't believe that women should have rights what would actually stop them from doing that um like nothing would stop them from doing

Brian Atlasit so you agree with Andrew then I don't agree that women's rights are made up well I me they're not made he doesn't even believe in rights because if they

Brian Atlascan be taken away from you are they actually rights he's much better at arguing this than I am though I'm just kind of playing out the idea the idea isn't that it's some smarmy like o women

Shane Smithwouldn't have anything if it wasn't for men because our society's a collaboration and women are in in Inseparable part of that like you're so important literally what what's the

Shane Smithpoint of life if there are no women for me I don't know but like the idea is that you have rights in a western Society because Western men with rifles make sure you do if we go to Saudi

Shane SmithArabia and we want women to have rights who do we ask to give those rights to women thank you men's yeah you have to ask the men to give them the rights if we go to Afghanistan we say Taliban please can women start going to school

Shane Smithwho are the people that going to make sure women get to go to school um the government which is mostly made up of men there you go and governments only exist because rough men with rifles

Shane Smithdecide they do um women can there can be you know women-led societies it's possible never been a I would love to I mean women can lead societies but even

Shane Smiththe women who are the most powerful are incredibly rough and warlike like Margaret Thatcher one of the most famous female politicians of all time she what was the Prime Minister of England didn't

Shane Smithshe attack a South American country Argentina that's right like full on so anyway all of our rights mine too I only get my rights because someone with a

Isis Hongrifle told someone else I will kill you if you don't let this guy drive a car and that's my point when it comes to the point we need a man to protect us right you guys are saying the lies because the

Isis Hongthe like in China the only woman Empire that was the most prosperous Dynasty among like many dynasties so it's like

Brian Atlaswait wait wait but but who enforced her laws and rules she did yeah and who executed her law her her her Queen's guard was a bunch of women or was it men

Tamaraprotecting her they're well men are doing some hard labors sure they're going men got out on the street forcing her laws right if people do not obeying her laws who fixed that for her think

Shane Smithmen fix it for her they're the little soldiers yeah they're like the men fix it for her but she only has the power because men back her that's because at

Isis Hongthat dynasty you have to but that's the same with know about the dynasty about the dynasty okay what it doesn't matter like that's world

Brian Atlashistory that's like you that the men did that for her okay she probably had to she would always have to

Brian Atlasappeal to men to enforce me men are the enforcement arm of society and government that's only because men were enforcing at the

Brian Atlasbeginning so men are are still the enforcement arm of society it's about power it's about physical strength that's how it works hold on quick question going around hold on going around the table who's physically

Isis Hongstronger men or women I think on average men yeah men men obviously nothing to do with anything I don't think anybody disagrees with that no what single person a dis is to try make a case for

Brian Atlaswomen being biolog you you brought up the the disagreement you said women's rights being made up so I think Andrew actually says that all rights are made

SPEAKER_03up yeah I mean he's he's right he it's just like I don't even know like if if he's not like making a jab at like

Shane Smithspecifically women's rights and women like thinking they should have rights like if it's not that I I have no idea what he it's absolutely not a jab at women it just seems like it is because

Shane Smithit's an icky thing to think about the idea is that if women want rights and women resent men but women only have rights because of men so you're fallacy when you're like ah I hate men it's like

Shane Smithwell you only get to hate men cuz we let you and it's not like a thing I obviously don't enforce any of this and most men aren't thinking about it in those ways but the people who enforce

Shane Smiththe laws use violence and violence is the tool of of the government and men use it it's the same with the war right the men should go to war because they are men yeah but we want to have rights

Brian Atlasand who executes the right men so we should be thinking on our knees thank you men thank you comedian next so next thing you said

Brian Atlasmen's body count and women's body count uh don't have different value otherwise that's a double standard yeah do you

SPEAKER_03want to elaborate a little more sure so um so I think if a man has a body count of 50 it's not

Brian Atlasmorally better than if a woman has a body count of 50 uh it's not morally better

SPEAKER_03so you're saying Society doesn't judge a man the same way that they would a woman uh no I'm saying like I don't know if like you actually disagree with this I but in terms of

Shane Smithmorality I would say yes it's equally immoral yeah yeah that's what I would it's immoral but the the consequences of a man sleeping with a lot of women is different from a woman sleeping with a

Shane Smithlot of men because if she prefers men and wants to date them then men on average have certain preferences on how they would like their women to have behaved in the past so they can make

Shane Smitheducated decisions on if they want to be with them or not it's that like what's that thing people everyone says is sexist if you're going to hire someone for a job do you want someone who's had 200 jobs for one month each or a person

Isis Hongwho had two jobs for 5 years each right I will look at their talent and how they answer the question in of their previous work experience well so I would I would look at their actual talent and how they

Tamaraanswer the interview question instead of look how many jobs they had in the past like you inter if a woman [ __ ] 500 men he is a better Talent at making

Brian Atlaschildren well I'm not talking about that like it's not related I don't know what Happ question I think it's a question of loyalty right I I I don't really think that this conversation really has so

Brian Atlasmuch to do about morals really I think it has to do with kind of more the dating Dynamics here so I think maybe more so what you're getting at is well

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