The Most INSANE Show Ever?! FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! 2+24?! She EXTORTS Men?! | Dating Talk #169

Date: 2024-06-12

Duration: 8h 46m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDesiree Noel >

AAshley Paola >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Kwan Clark(guest)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Alex(guest)

SPEAKER_09Desiree Noel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Jessica(guest)

SPEAKER_12Danielle (D)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Ashley Paola(guest)

SPEAKER_14Emily(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDesiree explains transactional dating: sets price for male access to her time based on their 'vibe'; example of charging rent (~$2700) for a date/night

“if I know that's what he's coming at me with I set the price for judging on his character where he's at in life his Vibe”

QuoteAlex discloses she is in a committed relationship with a 53-year-old man who has a terminal pancreatic illness; they met when he noticed her walking with a cane at a movie theater

“he has a terminal illness so terminal is it cancer or no it's a pancreas thing so he doesn't have too long to live”

QuoteDesiree admits it's the same energy exchange as prostitution: 'we call it whatever you want... it doesn't matter'

“it's honestly not it's the same type of energy exchange we call it whatever you want I have no taboo about it”

QuoteBrian mocks Terence Howard quotes about Flower of Life and wave conjugations, feeding them to Desiree who partially agrees with the pseudoscience

“he was able to open up the Flower of Life properly and find the real wave conjugations”

ControversyAndrew challenges panelists on their self-ratings: claims none are 8s, compares them to Scarlett Johansson in her prime as benchmark for 8.

“not even one who's an eight”

QuoteDesiree's hostile pre-show DMs read aloud: 'I'm above needing to answer your certain questions, just book me on your fucking show'

“I am above needing to answer your certain questions just book me on your fucking show and let's go”

ControversyAndrew reveals he secretly recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian and that Brian 'didn't know who he was fucking with'

“you said behind the scenes that you wanted Revenge that you wanted to get some guys and that Brian didn't know who he was fucking with”

QuoteDesiree discloses children's photos and explicit OnlyFans content are on same Instagram account; defends it as no shame around sexuality

“I don't believe that human sexuality is anything wrong in my book there's nothing wrong with it I celebrate sex”

ControversyAndrew uses logical conditionals to force Ashley to concede men are primary victims of war; Ashley reluctantly agrees.

“it would stand to reason then that men were the primary victims of war is that the argument Brian”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions (name/age/location/occupation)

Each guest introduces themselves. Danielle (D) CEO foot fetish business NJ/NYC; Desiree Noel sex coach SoCal 38; Alex multimedia artist 26 Russian-born; Emily 18 Pahrump NV unemployed; Ashley Paola 29 IE medical sales; Jessica 25 Hawthorne student/mom; Kwan Clark 30 San Diego waitress; Andrew Wilson The Crucible host.

Relationship status round

Each guest shares current relationship status and longest relationship. Desiree explains transactional dating philosophy at length. Alex discusses age-gap relationship with terminally ill 53-year-old partner. Emily is 3 weeks into new relationship. Ashley in talking stage with 43yo man.

Desiree's transactional dating/sex work model

Extended debate over Desiree charging men for her time/company (rent = ~$2700 SoCal). Discussion of whether this constitutes prostitution. Desiree insists it is legitimate business/energy exchange. Panel challenges her on tax implications, ethics, and consistency.

Polyamory vs monogamy debate

Alex and Desiree defend non-monogamous structures. Andrew Wilson argues for monogamy as healthy norm. Extended debate on jealousy as healthy vs. toxic, value of commitment, and what 'going with the flow' means.

Vibration/frequencies/New Age philosophy debate

Desiree explains 'low vibration' men, quantum physics as applied to dating, epigenetics as 'vibrational transfer'. Andrew challenges scientific validity. Brian invokes Terence Howard quotes. Discussion of Anunnaki, gravity as effect vs. force.

Women's laws / society / religion debate

Panel discusses why major societies have historically restricted women's behavior. Ashley gives Biblical perspective (male leadership/God-ordained structure). Andrew uses 'wait till your father gets home' example for male ontological authority.

Prostitution is it good or bad

Andrew poses law of excluded middle: is prostitution good or bad? Desiree says it is good for her personally. Andrew presses: she is 'a lot of hooker'. Panel asked to raise hands if prostitution is good.

Ratings round (looks self-assessment)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Most guests rate themselves 7-8. Andrew sarcastically claims 11. Desiree rates herself 8 then walks it back to 'solid 3' on Scarlett Johansson scale. Extended debate on objectivity of beauty standards.

Desiree's DMs / pre-show confrontation meta-discussion

Brian reads Desiree's hostile pre-show DMs aloud ('I'm above answering your questions, just book me'). Panel reacts. Desiree explains she was 'on a mission' and didn't know who Brian was. Andrew reveals he recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest's body count. Danielle: 7. Desiree: ~50-100 (lost virginity at 13). Alex: 8-10. Emily: 5-10. Kwan: under 10. Andrew: 10-12 intercourse (more if counting oral). Discussion of whether body count matters.

Primary victim of war (men vs women)

Final debate: who is the primary victim of war — men or women? Ashley argues women/children left behind are primary victims due to domino effect. Andrew uses logical conditionals (preference for abandonment over death) to show men have it worse. Ashley eventually concedes men are primary victims under Andrew's logic.

Closing call to action / wrap-up

Brian asks Desiree and Danielle if they'd stop sex work. Desiree says no; Danielle says she'd wait until she has a husband. Final shoutouts, raid to esfandTV, Andrew's channel promotion.

Transcript

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Danielle (D)more beautiful I'm within the eight line of course of course then why did you wear the wig because it is very humanid here and

Danielle (D)it if you're a girl hair that's attached to your head poofs up and hair that is on a wig and is dead stays but wouldn't you be more naturally beautiful that way

Desiree Noelhold on let's just get through the segment go ahead so we're just talking like we wake up in the morning and what do we think we are with nothing can't say

Danielle (D)seven eight I don't know okay nine seven

Danielle (D)eight six eight eight give myself a five why Andrew what about you Andrew

Andrew WilsonI well I mean if if the comparison here is all these eights then I'm going to give myself an 11 I like it there you go the most unbelievably delusional [ __ ] that I've

Andrew Wilsonever heard first of all there's not even a woman here who's an eight I'm just going to be honest with you not even one who's an eight oh sorry Maddie not a one and the thing is is a lot of you are

Andrew Wilsonlikable maybe perhaps not the blonde but many of you are very likable people but how delusional can you be you're not Eights that's ridiculous it's ridiculous we just saw a video for instance we just

Andrew Wilsonsaw a video of the chatty of the chatty Kathy here I said I was a seven I never she didn't even look in that video she didn't even look nearly like what she looks like in studio right now I mean you guys could all see it and what world

Ashley Paolado you live in where you think you're eights we got can I I have this conversation with my friends all the time to some people I'm a eight to some people I'm a three like it is what it is

Ashley Paolalike but personally I I I'm going to lean more towards the 10 side because I want no like I'm saying eight because if I'm a three then what where's my my confidence at how I'm going to walk into

Andrew Wilsona room how am I going to question a different way okay let me ask it a different way in my opinion Scarlet Johansson in her prime is an eight no she got 10 if we go around the table

Ashley Paolaagain from Scarlett Johansson in her prime as being an eight do any of your answers change yeah and that's that's I mean we all have different scales I think that's what happens I'm not thinking of scarlet johon yeah so what would you be if Scarlet

Desiree NoelJohansson and her prime is an eight what are you a solid three a solid three a solid three so why but here here in this room if we're

Desiree Noelgoing to do this here I say I mean this is an example of toxic masculinity why are we comparing it doesn't make sense being in touch with reality

Andrew Wilsontoxin where you objective standard for things which are clearly objective and you're competing for if you compe for it then why is it that you that you would answer

Andrew Wilsonto the scale in the first BL you just asked us I think we were just trying to comply what's your favorite color yeah you were trying wait you were trying to comply with what what you consider a

Andrew Wilsonmale standard for beauty fair enough I'll even that be a male standard ofy we a male standard of beauty and Scarlet Johansson's an eight can you tell me what that makes you well I'm going best off of what my boyfriend tells me he be

Andrew Wilsongot me but you know I'm go B to the to the to the blonde if Scarlet Johansson was an eight in her prime what are you I'd say I'm an eight to yeah do you look like

Desiree Noeljust Scarlett Johansson in her prime I think I'm a very beautiful woman I think she's a very beautiful woman I I don't see that there's a discrepancy there we all have our moments of rolling out of bed and we all have a Glam up

Andrew Wilsonlook so I just want to make sure that if we were to put you and Scarlet Johansson in her prime in front of every man inside of the world that you think that

Desiree Noelthey would consider you and Scarlett Johansson on par with each other I do because different men have different flavors so maybe half of them would like her better and half see that too but the reality is if we have two flowers fetish

Danielle (D)place and some of them don't look at my boobs whatsoever their eyes go straight down to my feet okay that's true but if if we're if we're looking if we're

Ashley Paolalooking at two if we're looking at at two flowers and one flower is has like dents in it it has like leaves removed it's still beautiful it's a flower but if you're looking at a a rose that just

Andrew Wilsonlike in its prime we're going to be like Oh I'm going to choose this one to give it to my mom because reality is you know what you're totally right uh me and Hugo Jackson in his prime we're exactly the

Andrew Wilsonsame we look exactly I'm you know what if he's a 10 as a man I'm also a 10 as a man then I guess we'll just do that way I'll be as delusional as you guys are I

Andrew Wilsondon't think I'm delusional best looking men on planet Earth I'm on par with him cuz I really feel like all right hold on hold on so is your wife what is your wife on a scale 1 to

Ashley Paola10 uh what is your husband on a scale of one to 10 I don't have a husband what is your boyriend I'm pretty sure you think that your wife is the most in the world he's a 10 no he's actually I still have

Andrew Wilsona listen you think I can't be standards so like for instance let us assume for a second that we were to rewind uh 20 years and I were to go 20

Andrew Wilsonyears ago uh when my wife was in her 20s instead and you were to say can I have the same woman just in the 20-year-old body versus the 40 some year old body uh

Andrew WilsonI would say sure what would actually be problematic with that no okay I'm just glad he said that okay then no no answer my question what would be problematic with that I would say it's not

Andrew Wilsonproblematic but it would probably hurt your your your your wife's feelings but it's reality would not hurt her feelings but why do you think she keeps her ass in shape she keeps her ass in shape she wants to look the best that she possibly

Danielle (D)can for her age she's going to age regardless though because she wants to maintain her relation she wants hold on I'm sorry Mom a good wife a good partner

Ashley Paolalike that's why she gets so but but okay but so you're saying that age is going to change the number that you gave your wife and that's okay if it does I'm just trying to understand where you're coming from me of course I think that beauty

Andrew Wilsonstandards are at least reasonably objective yeah okay that my wife would be the first one to tell you that she knows that that's true and so the thing is is that while it may be true that she

Andrew Wilsonthinks I'm better looking than she is or I think she's better looking than I am it doesn't mean that I think that she's the same or equal in beauty standards to Scarlet Johansson in her prime I'm not delusional so what would you give her

Kwan Clarkwhat would you her we're doing comparisons that's a completely different conversation wait hold on one second well if we're doing comparisons with other like like like C female celebrities like angelene Jolie that's

Kwan Clarkdifferent I honestly think that I am an eight I'm not ugly my body's tight I work out B on what I what do you mean based on my like my body and everything like the average woman in America for

Kwan Clarklike compar I think I am an eight I'm not being delusional I'm I'm not ugly you're 10 I think we all I understand the ask you what are the things that

Kwan Clarkmake you an eight I think that because I don't have like fake lips I well the only thing that's fake on me is like my nails but my makeup looks nice I look n nice and when I'm natural my lashes I

Andrew Wilsonwork out a lot so I keep my body nice and fit like I'm health conscious your hair beautiful your skin that's totally fair so now let me ask you this since you're going off of kind of this objective standard I think that you're trying to move towards something which

Andrew Wilsonis objective is there any woman in this room who's prettier than you what my honest opinion yeah

Desiree Noelno no and now let me ask let me ask back to the blonde is she prettier than you I I do believe she has a more of an exotic beauty that I think then why aren't you

Andrew Wilsona nine got him wait why am I not a nine what she's an eight she's prettier than you she rated herself an eight how come you're not a nine I said no I said she's prettier than me I know she rated

Kwan Clarkherself an eight you raid yourself an eight how you're not a nine first I went first why am I not a nine she's not a nine how come she's not a nine and you're an eight but I thought it was just our own personal how we think that's a little messy you can't really I

Andrew Wilsonsee what you're doing but it doesn't really work if you compare me to Megan Good obviously Megan good no it does it does really work and let me explain no because she went first comp she thinks she's the prettiest woman in the room and yet all

Desiree Noelof you rate yourself the same way that she rates herself so yeah she should have all of you aren't all of you essentially saying that you believe that you're on par with her no we weren't comparing

Desiree Noelwe were just looking at from I was I was looking at it myself compared to the average woman in America that's honestly what I did the average one I think we all had different scales that's the problem myself compared to

Ashley Paolamyself person I was yesterday would I date myself or would I not date myself I'm not I'm doing never I don't care about the average in real life and so

Andrew Wilsonnow let's try just a quick social experiment hang on let's just try a quick social experiment we know that uh this gal I'm sorry I don't remember your name in the yellow

Andrew Wilsontop what's that Kwan okay so since I'm just going to call you K because that's a long name so so since K says she's the prettiest girl in the room will anybody

Andrew Wilsonraise their hand and say they're prettier than K you're prettier than K and you're prettier than K okay so is K is K

Danielle (D)delusional am I I feel like I'm equal am I equal yeah as and can I say that I'm a 10 or 11 or 12 or 100 and

Ashley Paolathey're here I mean all the same why we comp but the thing compare we can have one man stand

Ashley Paolain the room and think that she's prettier but then we have another man can be like no I'm that I'm prettier I mean a matter of matter of

Andrew Wilsontaste hang on hang on we got to let's let's try this one at a time so the two gals raise their hand first in the center right the pen the Pentecostal Pentecostal what makes you prettier what makes you prettier than K I just I feel

Ashley Paolalike I'm a prettier Latina Vibe but that's just I don't know I I'm going based off my standard objectively objectively what are the things that you think make you prettier than K like honestly I don't well okay no I mean I'm

Andrew Wilsongoing based off what I like about myself okay I like my hair my hair dude has a more he maybe has a more muscular body or maybe has better facial features or maybe he has this or that cuz I'm not

Ashley Paoladelusional right so what are the things objectively that make you prettier than Kay um well I I personally like my hair um my

Ashley Paolasmile um I would say my boobs but no that's kind of like super fessional I you have a nice smile too sis I don't know we're both buum I think just

Andrew Wilsonbeautiful here's kind of the distin right is like wait what is there what is there to even be offended about if you objectively believe that there's a standard that most hang on that most men

Ashley Paolawould adhere to not every man just most then what are those objective things that make you prettier than K you can say whatever I don't care no I know I think okay so if we're talking about like biologically I isn't it like the whole symmetrical thing like a thing like with the face yeah I think so I

Ashley Paolathink that that would be a good objective like starting point I mean she does have it too though I feel like we just both got it going on I don't know I I I don't know you don't know you how about you tell us since you're the

Ashley Paolaman hang on hang on you raised your hand and said okay I told you my hair I have like the the smile Latina Vibe um I like my

Ashley Paolanails um I mean she is more fit than me uh but I don't know I just think that it's also a part of it that I have

Ashley Paolato na I naturally want to I guess be delusional and tell myself I am prettier and not in like a degrading way but it's just the way I carry myself I I want to be confident I am confident so I just

Ashley Paolawalk in to the room he seems pretty confident yeah and again but at the at the end of the day we can have she was so confident she said she was prettier than all of you and and that may that's

Ashley Paolapretty confident right this is like the only thing where I'm like this is kind of like the only thing where I'm like there might be like some my truth because at the end of the day there's going to be two men that will think differently like there's going to be

Andrew Wilsonsomeone that really think she no no no but but remember the heart of this we're just asking this you had most men I'm not saying that if you didn't have two men they wouldn't objectively maybe have

Andrew Wilsona different standard I would agree okay yeah I'm asking if you took most men most so we're just looking for you know let's say we took 51% of all men and we

Andrew Wilsonwere able to pull them and we put the two of you side by side right and just most of them thought that you were prettier what

Ashley Paolawould those reasons be I just told you like I guess my my hair my smile your hair I guess my my eyes I don't know I'm just thinking of things that my boyfriend has has told me or like

Andrew Wilsoncompliment me thank you your overall figure you know your My overall figure I mean there's just different back to K so then hang on back to K what makes you prettier um I'm physically fit that's

Andrew Wilsonliterally oh and my lips are big but they're natural like I have three now that's like I think that those are some good responses right here are the actual things that I think that make me objectively where most men would look at

Andrew Wilsonthe two of us and think I'm prettier that seems reasonable I'm super fit I have better lips I have this I have so like that seems reasonable to me I think that that's how men would make the Judgment across the board so then back

Andrew Wilsonto you wait you're saying that what I said wasn't reasonable just I'm getting it right yeah because you were saying things like um you kind of adding these other values like confidence things like that we're just judging purely on beauty

Ashley Paolahere I'm not I didn't I didn't me say that my confidence is what makes me prettier what I'm saying is I'm naturally thinking I am prettier because it helps with my confidence Wherever I Go Whatever Whenever yeah I get it but

Ashley Paolawhat would the objective standard for white most of those men my long hair my smile my eyes and my nails my fashion I don't know I could go on but again I

Andrew Wilsoncould still look at her and be like dude she's just as bomb but in my head I got listen listen I'm not saying you couldn't look at her and say she's a knockout or whatever that's not really what the question is implying yeah so

Andrew Wilsonthen over to Red uh red can I ask you what are these things that if you took the large swath of men and they had U and they had K in the same room and they

Andrew Wilsonwere just asked the question to objectively evaluate the beauty standard of which they prefer what are the things about you they think they would prefer over K well it would it would depend on

Danielle (D)their beauty standards first all I know we're just saying that most of them somehow prefer you over K those things be I think that I look good as a blonde I look good as a brunette I can change

Danielle (D)like an iguana I'm wearing blue eyes today I look good in brown eyes I look good in blue eyes I can change my clothes and wear a trash bag and I look good in that and I can wear okay hang on

Andrew Wilsonhang on let me back up let me back up so we have a room with 500 men and 400 of them hang on and 400 of those men when

Andrew Wilsonthey look at you next to K they go I prefer her not they don't care about your personality because they don't know anything they know nothing about you

Andrew Wilsonthey're only judging physically hang on what are the things about you physically that they

Danielle (D)prefer my breasts are natural Double D's um um I have a thin waist a pretty

Danielle (D)little belly button ring I have nice lips and big brown eyes and I'm

Danielle (D)Sicilian and I have a little butt that I work hard on at the gym for but I don't look like her but I try as hard as I can

Andrew WilsonI love this is why this is why we consider the question when most of people answer it most of the gals answer it to be cope right when they when they all rate themselves the

Andrew Wilsonsame because when I get to the heart of it I realize wait a second they don't really [ __ ] rate themselves the same what happens is they have kind of group thing where you don't want to offend the

Andrew Wilsongirl next to you but objective hang on hang on hang on let me finish but objectively when I start actually parsing it out and I go but if men did prefer you why would it be versus why they prefer you and are you the

Andrew Wilsonprettiest girl in the room I hear wildly different answers which tells me you're not really delusional you do know what your standard appeal is but you're [ __ ] lying about it because you don't

Danielle (D)want to make anybody uncom everybody has a different standard when some one guy can walk in the room and say I'm hideous it's like you could love peaches but there's always going to be one guy

Andrew Wilsonthat doesn't like Peaches I agree yeah so so hang on I agree but let's assume for a second that we Dr we drug a meth head in who had no teeth pock marks all all over her face and a hunch back do you think you're prettier than her

Andrew Wilsonobjectively I'm 1,0% better than yeah 1,0% so there has to be some objective hang on so there has to be some objective standard between methhead crackhead hump on her

Andrew Wilsonback pock marks on her face and you and what we're looking for is what those things are between you and all the other women comparing herself to no teeth Hunchback Pock Mark [ __ ] crackhead

Desiree Noelright that's the point of the question you're looking for biological markers and good genetics that's what you're looking for I I don't facial symmetry it's Clarity in

Desiree Noelthe eyes it's clear skin it's for a woman it's a particular waist to hip ratio which is 0 Z and I think there's always if you're looking at all those things objectively then why do you all have similar answers even though you

Andrew Wilsonlook nothing the [ __ ] there's always room to improve there's all right there's only so many seem it just seems delusional to me just saying well you anyone ever perfect and I think I think

Desiree Noelbecause we are looking at it from the relational perspective not like we're walking across the stage and just getting a number rating we're thinking to ourselves the men that are in our lives that are coming and speaking to us for

Andrew Wilsonexample I hear all day every day you're a 10 you're a 12 how do I get with you blah BL they want to sleep with you they want have sex with you exactly they want to have sex a woman will tell or a man will tell K I want I think you're the

Andrew Wilsonmost beautiful woman in this same sentence is saying you are even if he has an objectively different opinion CU he wants exactly I mean she knows look at her she's like yeah I mean that's

Desiree Noeljust true right it is true it is true it is true and so that's the thing of why we can't really even go off of that stuff we just have to go off of ah well

Andrew Wilsonit seems like when I press you guys suddenly suddenly your standards drastically change and you're like I do objectively have these metrics I do objectively know what's true I do

Andrew Wilsonobjectively think I'm more fit's more to bigger brown eyes I have these other attractive qualities I think men would like but when asked in a general average you guys go well we're all about the

Ashley Paolasame when clearly you all know that you're not and that's why we think on our end that's why we think on our end we like to comp yeah it's just ugly to be doing

Brian Atlasthat said all right moving moving things along I want I had a question for you you uh are you in therapy I'm a therapist doesn't really answer my

Desiree Noelquestion are you in therapy I'm a therapist I spent years in therapy I'm not in it anymore like currently though have you ever been said notr I go with I go with the coaching model so whenever I

Desiree Noelrun into a bump and I can't but yes I currently I have mentors and coaches that's more how I do it these days yes I always have a mentor and I always have coaches in my life have you been diagnosed

Desiree Noelwith i a savant so I have high functioning autism I'm autistic oh sweet me too yeah there you go hey welcome to the CL H some of my oddness and my outside of the box thinking uh do you

Desiree Noeltake any medic I don't know why I'm ask do you take any medications I use um I use like Psy Tropics or anti-depressants or anything like that I I just use um I do an edible so a sativa gummy once a

Desiree Noelday is my typical thing sure do you consider yourself traditional in what way like in a iCal way and a sexual way and a what what way

Desiree Noelin a general sort of are you traditional I mean dating you got to know me I don't think there's really much traditional about me other than human design I do believe in human

Desiree Noeldesign we should talk that's not really what I had in mind but uh well I'm speaking of more how we were created to be I do rence that sure uh we do have

Brian Atlasdon't play the video yet Nick but we do have another video read it what do you mean okay sorry you me to pull up right yeah pull up we're not going to play it could you hide

Desiree NoelAndrew for a sec uh so your path could you could you read the top there yeah so your path to Heaven involves you letting hell run

Desiree Noelthrough your body without resistance while giving that weary body a voice to describe how it feels and what it's upset about we have been taught to do different things in order to flow with

Brian Atlasand celebrate the more I just want to pause here really quick so you say your path to Heaven involves you letting hell run through your body your traumatic your your hard emotions and those

Desiree Noeltriggers that are triggering your deepest traumas your path to your best life in my is opinion is through allowing those traumas the emotional

Desiree Noelexperience of the traumas to go through your body and to exit most of us resist because we're so afraid of actually but facing the anguish and facing the grief and facing all these things and so we

Brian Atlashold it in our body and it gets stuck there okay but so in terms of actual pull it keep it up that Nick your path to Heaven involves letting hell run through your body so I mean are you

Brian Atlassaying like when you say hell is that like your behaviors I mean that it is your like pain hold could could this be rephrased

Brian Atlasin in this way your path to Christ involves letting Satan run through your body no I would say your path to your

Desiree Noelbest life your your your path to your ability to consciously manifest the life that you would love to

Desiree Noellive is by allowing all of your traumas and everything to be alchemized in a sense so you have to face it yeah so uh in any case it's a path to transformation we're not going to play

Desiree Noelthe video but I guess you're like twerking in the video so is is that a path to Heaven is twer so I am showing an example of how you move um you move traumatic energy through your body women

Desiree Noelhave a lot of rigidity around here because we have a lot of sexual traumas and we have a lot of Shame and everything attached to these parts of our bodies so like the African cultures

Desiree Noeland the um the Hawaiian culture with the belly dancing those women are much more healthy emotionally sexually their pelvic floor is in a lot better shape

Desiree Noelbecause they bring these dance TW and all of this into their day-to-day life and it's like their prayer it's like their meditation it's their it's their

Desiree Noelum it's the way that we let all of the atrocities of Life run through US instead of getting all trapped right here and we have a tummy ache and so you think twerking is good for the for

Alexsociety yes I dancing andov dancing in general very good working out stiff I started out like stiff order

Desiree Noellike order is good for society just being orderly that's the masculine out there you gock that a like that from men but for women rigidity and

Brian Atlashigh blood pressure good for society okay um high blood press is there another Instagram post Nick oh we can go to mine I think why are we all doing my instagam

Desiree Noeleverybody else has on Instagram uh m look like you you weing like a filter this is just like one of those no filter

Desiree Noelfilters no make ref woke up in the morning oh and

Desiree Noelaudio just so [ __ ] cool I literally found the way to change the societal

Desiree Noelstructure bring in Traditions and kind of a new Rhythm to the way that we do things in the world that is essentially

Desiree Noelthe hack to Ascension so what all the spiritual gurus the scientists every what everybody's trying to do is reach the top to ascend to the highest

Desiree Noelpossible potential for themselves they're trying to create that in their Industries and things like this and what

Desiree NoelI have done is I have been formulated formulating the social structures and the changes that we need to make as a

Desiree Noelsociety over the next couple hundred years wow maybe less probably less but I know how to get us all to ascend kind of

Brian Atlasaccidentally guys this this is when did you get into New Age like what happen was that four Nick was that four videos I'm pretty sure not sure what you mean by New Age what what there was something else

Brian Atlastoo was there another Instagram tab oh this is for you I had a question this is actually maybe related to the rating it's like the bikini photo or whatever

Danielle (D)oh maybe me yeah for you oh good d e e a l e s s a n d r a b you [ __ ] oh what the

Brian Atlas[ __ ] you got it Nick wait what did you want uh it should be one of the Instagram tabs yeah which one for it's the bikini photo I was just one it's related to the rating stuff what did you

Brian Atlasrate yourself again eight 8.5 or something um do you have plastic surgery oh I have my nose out you have your nose

Danielle (D)what about breasts no I was I was a triple D but I lost 12 lbs so now I'm a double D okay I

Danielle (D)am if if you look at the other photo did you photoshop here did you if you click it you can see that I'm pushing my ass out like if you

Danielle (D)click well we know how to work you can see the back of it uh well I don't know what's on that next page so would um in in my bathing suit it's in the

Danielle (D)same but don't here you look at it first Nick tell us if it's okay yeah I I'm just turned

Brian Atlasaround just suit uh in the same bikini no we don't need to pull it up but you didn't Photoshop like you didn't suck in the waste I'm going like this no you

Danielle (D)don't need to like no but never okay that's Photoshop though right a little bit like you you suck I

Danielle (D)changed the filters of the sun it made the all everything Bluer and brighter looks a little little photo my body no I

Brian Atlasphot I'm too cheap for face sorry you're okay uh now wait I think I don't know if this was in the and you can look at other pictures of so you wrote in the

Brian Atlasdancing one you said it turns out shaking ass is the final stage of healing I can testify to that yeah okay wait there was one that had also you wrote I can't I there's so many post

Brian Atlasso much on there to rip a just go look on your free time you said meme drop while I process the rage finally coming out of my body towards the atrocities of white man in the name of God oh

Brian Atlasno you want to read that one to read that one I don't remember which one it was from but you do you do it was a recent one trying to think what the first picture would have been well I don't

Brian Atlascare we don't need to find it but you did write uh while I process the rage finally coming out of my body towards the atrocities of white man in the name of God uh so I'm a little confused by

Andrew Wilsonthe white man component I'm confused by I'm speaking to White P white supremacy essentially and the whole slavery thing and all of that well I'm confused about this um why is there a photo of you and

Andrew Wilsonforgive me if I'm Incorrect and this is not you but I think it is with jizz all over your face face and you say that moment you realize you're not mentally ill but just in another toxic relationship I just like to play with

Desiree Noelthings it was a c shot to the face I love facials it's my jam yeah so you had so you have man's jiz all over your face and you say that it was it was my at the time was his hang on you say the moment

Andrew Wilsonyou realize you're not mentally ill but in another toxic relationship wouldn't that mean that you were trying to seek toxic relationships because you look rather happy and satisfied in this full of

Desiree Noelphoto I must admit well the sex was good doesn't mean the relationship was healthy he was a covert narcissist so you only realized it after he [ __ ] all over your face yeah unfortunately some

Danielle (D)of these guys are real sneaky is the post not Clarity I mean should you not do that fa for both exactly I didn't know how bad it was going to go you know in that stage behind closed doors if

Danielle (D)you're that man was the best at marketing he did such a good job I'll tell you that he ran every [ __ ] game there was and I going for all the but I thought you were spiritually enlightened

Andrew Wilsonwhat are you going for all these toxic menes and all over your face you only realize after you have come they're come all over your face they toxic that's so weird we were married that was our sex

Desiree Noellife he was my guy for only fans we did it together I don't know what the what is the concept do you guys think that I'm just sleeping with all these random guys it was literally my husband no I'm not it was my husband at the time we did

Desiree Noelonly fans together started that was the wer actually married to right we I mean we had a wedding I had the ring the whole thing I even got the tattoo we had the ceremony we had the

Andrew Wilsonreception we had the minister the whole thing we just didn't sign it legally yeah so I'll I'll I'll just even assume that that's a that that's a marriage but you say so he was

Andrew Wilsontoxic he ended up being abusive I think he at the time when he was [ __ ] on your face and you were taking pictures was he toxic obviously the man was who he was

Desiree Noelthe whole time but I wasn't aware he really ran good why did you post a picture saying he was toxic if you weren't aware okay we made that content when we

Desiree Noelwere together and I didn't know his true colors yet we made that content I already had that content from probably a year before then when I left the man I

Andrew Wilsonwas trying to work through my process of not sinking into this Doom and Gloom and that's what I my AR process that's date what date did you release that photo

Desiree Noelthen I mean on there I don't have it on memory look back at it would have a date stamp on it yeah I know so what date did you release it was it before or after you found out he was toxic it was after

Desiree NoelI left I was already I already left him at by the time you didn't release that photo before then on my on my only fans we had stuff like that but it wouldn't have had that caption it would and it

Desiree Noelactually that photo was taken after a um video that we made together and then we did a come shot on the face and we took photos of it and it was then on your

Andrew Wilsonback after you had made your only fans content with this man's sperm all over your face that you realized he's toxic no it was when he beat me but you think yeah but then why did you say in the

Desiree Noelphoto that that was the moment you realized he was toxic it was just a satire it was an artistic expression oh so you made it the [ __ ] up

Desiree Noelthat was my way of turning a really difficult situation into some sort of a artistic expression you made it up right made it up you made it up because you

Danielle (D)you just you just wanted to put it out there get some clicks and Views but it was made up right that was not actually the moment you realized he was toxic he just made it the [ __ ] up right you should have an app of your own and when

Danielle (D)I'm like feeling sad I could like ask you a question you could just tell me the BL honest truth and I can just laugh and like what feel better feel better

Danielle (D)like cuz like you say everything so honestly and so articulately and like it's so honest and like raw and real but

Desiree Noelit's so funny at the same time I love it that is true but you are correct you are correct it should be funny raw and you are correct that was not the exact moment that I realized how toxic was

Desiree Noelthat was the exact moment I realized we just made some super awesome content wasn't that sexy I did a whole prostitute scene I was a prostitute and he was moment that I realized I was in a

Desiree Noeltoxic relationship it it was just showing a picture of something that had happened in the past mhm that was

Desiree Noelsexy so I was killing like five birds with one stone I was making light of a hard situation I was bringing in a sexy p click bait to make m p the note I'll

Andrew Wilsonpull up the note quote yes that was when I realized I was in a toxic relationship your exact words I'm not really

Desiree Noelsure you got me you got me I did the come shot and had a fun time and then it was like a few months later that the guy beat me and I was like oh [ __ ] let me

Brian Atlasmove it on I'm moving it on uh I did have you and me before the show well not before the show in the the messages we were exchanging uh not not something I've

Brian Atlasreally well I've maybe encountered somewhat similar to this but uh so I I had and you don't mind if we get meta if we what get meta like a conversation

Brian Atlasabout the conversation kind of oh that's fine yeah okay so prior to the show what we do with anybody who requests to be on the show who sends us a DM we send them

Brian Atlasa a list of 10 questions and I sent you a list of 10 questions asking age location occupation relationship status if you wanted to bring a friend any

Brian Atlasdating stories any dating topics you'd want to speak on anything you disagree on if you can make it to Santa Barbara and your available dates to be on the show 10

Brian Atlasquestions most people answer it without issue they take about 5 10 minutes to answer it done and done uh you did freak

Brian Atlasout on me a little bit uh in the DMs and I just wanted to I don't know if down on the

Brian AtlasDM so I wanted to pull I I wanted to pull them up and perhaps you can read them just so I can better understand the tone because maybe maybe I'm being charitable here but there was a

Brian Atlasinteresting tone to to it so maybe in your own words it might come off can you um like it sounded cocky or well we'll just pull it

Desiree Noelup Nick if you can pull it up for us delusional oh shoot uh so Nick why don't you can you put us in the left corner uh could you could you read that read these for us yeah so I'm sorry I'm very high

Desiree Noelfunctioning autistic so sometimes my brain gets on my tangents and I can't really focus on anything else let me see if I can get it done right now while I have a minute it's weird you guys are so

Desiree Noelmeticulous about this like why can't you just schedule me to come shoot this [ __ ] with you you obviously know I'm Legit and have tons of things to talk about no

Desiree Noelmatter how you want to lead the conversation I feel like that is why you are not leveling up you are being too legalistic about things and you need to learn how to read vibration over words

Desiree Noeland rules of the manifested or visual reality to be honest with you okay I was on a Miss yeah just keep reading go ahead FYI goad to be honest with you it's annoying to me you would make a

Desiree Noelwoman like me go down a list and answer certain questions I'm above needing to answer your certain questions just book me on your [ __ ] show and let's go I'm really only looking to work with or give

Desiree Noelenergy to people who are totally in alignment with me and if that includes you then you are not going to waste my time making me answer some little stupid

Desiree NoelBaby [ __ ] list of questions that is made for other people who are clueless you would be able to read my vibration and know that I'm in that I am exempt from all this [ __ ] and if you can't do

Alexthat then I don't really want on your show now do I wow okay I'm a spiritual person I had

Alexmy own spiritual business and I read energy and and all of that but like I mean I'm sorry that's just a mean message oh oops I don't know why Tate

Desiree Noelcame in go ahead that is just I don't know that is pretty crazy well I understand I totally understand you got to speak into the mic first of all I totally understand that it sounded very

Desiree Noelharsh but you have to understand how many DMs I get how much I get a prot but hold on we did not DM you you DM us I

Brian Atlasknow correct correct I think most of you here every single well maybe uh I'm not sure I think most of you reached out to us you all got the same questionnaire

Brian Atlasyou all filled it out without any Corral or issue I your show and it's noral how long did it take you minutes not even five how long did 5 minutes 2 minutes I

Brian Atlasthink you one minute like oh like 3 hours cuz I well you sent a [ __ ] onon the she sent I would have been like that I would have been like that that that I have a fetish that wall of text that you

Brian Atlassent me I just assumed you wouldn't have me on well the wall of text that you sent me you could have just been a good sport and answer the same time it took

Desiree Noelyou to send that uh wall of text I guess because I am not again I am not a typically presented woman and so I try

Desiree Noelto make it very clear you're not dealing with a typical person are you sure you want to engage with me because you think you're better than any no I think I'm very different and it's not for

Desiree Noeleverybody so I kind of just come off harsh and just so you know I knew nothing about this podcast then why are you saying he's not growing I had I didn't know who he was I didn't know

Desiree Noelanybody how can you say that remark if you don't I know you don't understand whatever podcast

Andrew Wilsonis I made it clear I was on a seant 4 hold on hold on well hang on hang on hang on guys guys guys hang on relax for a second we can only do we can only do

Andrew Wilsonone at a time um I did want to lead in just very quickly uh is it Desiree is that Des name I've been yeah yeah why do you have pictures of wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait Andrew

Andrew Wilsonhold on hold on before you say what you're going to say it's it's not I have to cut in on that I have to I have to no but can can you the leveling up there this is super

Brian Atlasimportant cuz I got to know I just the Instagram why do you have pictures of the children face Andrew stop stop stop stop

Andrew Wilsonstop I got to make sure this is to it's TOS why do you have pictures of the kids in the same cuz iag say it more tactfully say it more tactfully please okay why do you have

Desiree Noelpictures of your Offspring in in the same Instagram that you have these lewd pictures because I don't believe that human sexuality is anything to it's not

Desiree Noelwrong in my book there's nothing wrong with it I celebrate sex and all the different forms and expressions of it and that's not anything I personally believe is

Desiree Noelto now it's not like my kids are um they're not concern in the room when I'm getting [ __ ] shot on or anything

Andrew Wilsonit's human sex I don't want to talk about this this is very this is on the [ __ ] line here a i well yeah I'm not I'm not sure it is but it's your show

Andrew WilsonI'll yield but listen ludes in the same I just don't consider it in the same in the same Instagram as that doesn't that

Desiree Noelseem horrifically offputting I don't ascribe to the same moral code that you do I don't believe that there is

Desiree Noelanything wrong with however an adult person wants to expresss sexually and I would even go as far as to say adult

Andrew Wilsondoesn't even mean 18 to me a person don't even start don't even start going down that path all right fine I'll let it go there I'm going to mute the mic

Desiree Noelbut I I did want an answer to that that's crazy I don't think that there's anything wrong with it I don't have your same morals so kind of I'm not going to

Brian Atlasreally I I want to go back to the The Meta conversation we were having about the messages you sent uh I was just a little confused there I don't know you mentioned that

Brian Atlasvery early on in the episode you wanted to bring down the egos of men I mean don't you think the message you sent me is a bit egotistical mhm very full of

Desiree Noelyourself it was and I was was really to be honest with you I am working on some massive humanitarian work right now that to me is the most important thing so I

Desiree Noelhad a friend to do with it's just because of the way that my brain works when I get on a mission you could say that's all I really care about I thought

Brian Atlasyour mission was to sell your what okay hold on you're uh is this is this called is this what's called obfuscating Hold on let me make sure I'm using that word why you thought that his I didn't know

Desiree Noelhim I didn't know who I Wasing I had no idea that's I flow with it I just spoke my truth that's how I felt in the moment it was your humanitarian I just assumed I just

Desiree Noelassumed they're not going to call me on the show to be honest I just thought I'm annoyed right now I'm busy doing this other work I got a million things going on why are they having me answer these questions I'm a sex and relationship

Madisoncoach it's a dating show do they want me on or not everyone in the world to yield to you for every single problem no I'm just simply saying if I'm not for you

Desiree NoelI'm not for you that's all I'm saying go off queen go off Queen I feel I feel very tired of being a people pleaser and I just don't want to do it anymore I

Desiree Noeldon't need everybody to like me I don't need everybody to have me on their show if you want to say it's narcissism I'm okay with that probably mean it's fine but I don't mind being mean I get people

Brian Atlasmean to me all the time but is how you were it was just like i' out of and it was not it was not I'm not upset I wasn't upset I was

Brian Atlasjust like I've maybe encountered and we've had probably thousands we've had thousand we've had over a thousand people on the show we've had probably multiple thousands of people send us DMS obviously not everybody ends up uh

Brian Atlasscheduling we don't always opt to schedule somebody uh but I think I've had maybe one or two other women Divas over the whole oh my God it's 10 question that's so weird of me it's just

Desiree Noelit was very Diva likee and it's just because again I was on a mission mentally and it was like have me on and don't have me on I don't want to answer all these questions so much energy

Brian Atlasyou're from Los Angeles right but to me that was a lot ofgy answer my question answer my question you're from LA right Los Angeles well you said you're from San Berna that's LA County isn't it

Desiree Noelsanino County that's s and then Cora is Riverside did you ever did you ever have any Ambitions to be an actress I mean I did drama when I was a kid have you ever been to a casting call

Brian Atlasyeah when I was a kid have you ever uh Gone on a job interview yes did they require a resume depends on the job have you ever

Brian Atlasapplied for a job that required a cover letter or a resume or a CV well wait is that the same thing as a well okay well have you ever

Desiree Noelyes but this was not a job this was something that gig but I didn't I didn't see it as a gig until you guys actually schedule me that was me showing you my personality you can take it or leave it

Brian Atlasyou don't have to schedule me but you're confused as to why we would ask these questions so we asked very basic biographical conf it's not that I was

Desiree Noelconfused it was that was me popping off because I felt that answering a cookie cutter list of questions to a person

Desiree Noellike me who's extremely complex so no matter how I answer these that's not the full truth I guess if you just want me to [ __ ] for the sake of bullshitting and I just was straight question basic

Brian Atlasbio age location occupation relationship status if you want to bring a friend dating stories dating topics anything you disagree on if you can make it to Santa Barbara and your available dates I

Desiree Noelmean those last two kind of necessary questions ask I said that but I said and then as we went down in communication I gave you my obviously I'm here well yeah obviously it worked out enough but so

Desiree Noelyou said you told me I need to learn how to read vibration I was saying it to you I didn't even know was speaking I was venting to an DM I didn't know a face

Desiree NoelI've never even seen the podcast I have no idea fine you have to understand how many dicks I talk to a day I talk to so many [ __ ] a day I literally I have to do business constantly day I deal

Desiree Noelwith agencies I deal with booking this booking that flak FL that over here and everything else is just we have because you guys have no idea what I actually have to deal with you have no idea what

Desiree Noeldeal you know what I got to deal only out because a friend said you should go on this podcast again I never seen it I didn't know anything about it and so I wasn't really taking it serious did you realiz that he had there's a difference

Desiree Noelbetween not taking it serious and being disrespectful though I I didn't give a [ __ ] about who I disrespected what do you care if I disrespected you you don't even know me you don't even like me because he's a

Desiree Noelhuman I get it I get it but I'm not here where do you get your moral compass from I don't go by morals Integrity I don't go by morals I go by that was the mood I

Desiree Noelwas in I gave you my real self the problem people that are don't have don't have a foundation would you rather me pretend like I was a cookie cutter little sweet thing and then get on here and be this

Desiree Noelthe I told you not understand I am ACH but I'm not going to do that on here I am a [ __ ] and I'm not for most people so I wanted to make sure that that was

Andrew Wilsonclear she WR I just have one last question for you uh on this particular topic uh are you on any sort and because you believe that truth is a value can

Andrew Wilsonyou just answer this truthfully sure are you on any sort of psychiatric drugs at all like a pharmaceutical I think that was already asked yeah that was already

Andrew Wilsonno I asked her you I was you asked me oh wait did I I don't think I got I don't think I

Brian Atlasgot an actual answer are you on any sort of SSRI no I don't know none no okay now Nick I don't know if you still have the

Brian Atlasis it still like all set up or okay you also said that to be honest with you it's annoying to me you would make a woman like me go down a list and

Brian Atlasanswer certain questions uh I'm I'm above needing to answer your certain questions that's in the fourth message there just book me on

Brian Atlasyour [ __ ] show and let's go now some of the people who T lock talk it's called locker room talk well it's interesting

Brian Atlasbecause you you very harshly criticized me for it wasn't you again hold on let me finish my point so we had to restart

Brian Atlasthe stream Miss over here who did a wardrobe change uh Sor really really really it's fine so there was a nip slip so we had to cut the stream we lost all

Brian Atlasthe viewership we had to restart it we lost about 10 minutes I was frustrated I don't recall precisely what I said to her I might have said something rude to her out of frustration said shut the

Danielle (D)[ __ ] up you did okay well it's okay I I understand I would I would have said the same thing I would have said the same thing now you

Brian Atlasgot on your high horse and your Ivory Tower and you uh you got very you wanted to Virtue signal and you almost you threaten to leave you threaten to I'm

Brian Atlasgoing if if this is how you're going to talk to women I'm going I I'm going to leave and she should come with me she included all of us and you attempted to pretty much get all the women to leave the show

Brian Atlasadmittedly I did say something rude to her which I apologize to you I was frustrated and I like that I like apology but it's interesting to me that your

Brian Atlasconduct between us in the DMS okay I'll explain hold on no no no no hold on it's interesting to me that it's okay for you to behave in that way you said I mean

Brian Atlasyou're because it was non person it was non personal the way in which you were speaking to me was I would argue about on par in the way I spoke to her I would

Desiree Noelsay much worse yeah way worse her messages I agree I agree the only thing I have to say is that again who makes you the coming at me okay don't that I didn't know that you

Brian Atlaswere even a human I don't know who I'm dealing with well you think we have an AI I have no idea you would if it was Nick who was messaging you I would I would be sitting here and saying the exact same thing it's not about if it

Brian Atlaswas Madison it does not matter it would have been an agent a representative of the whatever podcast and it is me who handles all the guest booking but I don't it's not me like you didn't know who you're messaging it to it it's kind

Desiree Noelof irrelevant it doesn't matter if it was me or Maddie or Nick or if but you have to understand I deal with people who are not a human representation they're just like a bot basically don't care but I find it interesting that you

Desiree Noelwere virtue signaling at the beginning of the show you're right and it's because I could feel her as a a human person do not bother you can't feel their emotions it doesn't matter yes because I deal so much in the virtual

Desiree Noelworld and I'm so so bullshitted constantly that I'm just have no empathy you have no true empathy for I actually do and I know to her and said you're being abused

Danielle (D)that I ruined his podcast but I truly appreciate you sticking up for me but I also I just wanted to make sure that we were clear minutes out of his podcast you wanted to make sure that we were

Desiree Noelclear I just wanted to make sure that it was clear that let's not go there with but you went there before even get on the show again again I had no idea who I

Desiree Noelwas speaking to I was I I have messes no I know I was I was calculatingly being my most aggressive self because I get taken

Brian Atlasadvantage of a lot how Tak advantage of you to ask 10 questions no I'm just saying no no no answer the question answer how is it taking advantage of you to ask you 10 like biographical

Desiree Noelquestions maybe hold hold on let her answer let her answer stop stop stop let her answer go ahead I just didn't feel like me answering those simple little questions were going to paint the accurate picture of who you were having

Andrew Wilsonon the show but do you think there's a reason we asked those questions I do but I do you understand what I'm saying I am not for everybody do you have a podcast that has I do I think I do understand

Andrew Wilsonwhat you're saying and let me uh let me kind of Steal man in the position you felt like by answering those questions it would have misrepresented what it was that you were trying to get across right correct

Andrew Wilsoncorrect but the thing is is that could it perhaps be cope on your behalf it was not the best way hang on hang on let me finish the question please could it perhaps be cope on your behalf that you were terrified of answering those

Andrew Wilsonquestions because you know to a reasonable standard that a person interpreting them may totally get the wrong idea of you even though they're basic questions well no because those

Desiree Noelwere basic questions not on the Pod no because listen if you go down the list it's very easy I'm 38 I live in Corona I am technically single or divor why so

Desiree Noelmuch cope because again I wanted to really and I'm not justifying I did do it very I could have done it in a more polite way you're right I could have done it but you guys every terrified

Desiree Noelthat the answers no I was terrified I was terrified of this I was terrified that I would come to a situation where this isn't really my thing you're

Andrew Wilsoncompletely gaslighting right now huh H well no no hang on hang on listen I'm not I'm not going to accuse her of gaslighting I actually do want her answer to the question uh from my

Andrew Wilsonperspective what it appears to be it and you can correct me if I'm wrong but if you're giving basic answers to the question and kind of the uh the cope or

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