The Most INSANE Show Ever?! FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! 2+24?! She EXTORTS Men?! | Dating Talk #169

Date: 2024-06-12

Duration: 8h 46m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDesiree Noel >

AAshley Paola >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Kwan Clark(guest)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Alex(guest)

SPEAKER_09Desiree Noel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Jessica(guest)

SPEAKER_12Danielle (D)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Ashley Paola(guest)

SPEAKER_14Emily(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDesiree explains transactional dating: sets price for male access to her time based on their 'vibe'; example of charging rent (~$2700) for a date/night

“if I know that's what he's coming at me with I set the price for judging on his character where he's at in life his Vibe”

QuoteAlex discloses she is in a committed relationship with a 53-year-old man who has a terminal pancreatic illness; they met when he noticed her walking with a cane at a movie theater

“he has a terminal illness so terminal is it cancer or no it's a pancreas thing so he doesn't have too long to live”

QuoteDesiree admits it's the same energy exchange as prostitution: 'we call it whatever you want... it doesn't matter'

“it's honestly not it's the same type of energy exchange we call it whatever you want I have no taboo about it”

QuoteBrian mocks Terence Howard quotes about Flower of Life and wave conjugations, feeding them to Desiree who partially agrees with the pseudoscience

“he was able to open up the Flower of Life properly and find the real wave conjugations”

ControversyAndrew challenges panelists on their self-ratings: claims none are 8s, compares them to Scarlett Johansson in her prime as benchmark for 8.

“not even one who's an eight”

QuoteDesiree's hostile pre-show DMs read aloud: 'I'm above needing to answer your certain questions, just book me on your fucking show'

“I am above needing to answer your certain questions just book me on your fucking show and let's go”

ControversyAndrew reveals he secretly recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian and that Brian 'didn't know who he was fucking with'

“you said behind the scenes that you wanted Revenge that you wanted to get some guys and that Brian didn't know who he was fucking with”

QuoteDesiree discloses children's photos and explicit OnlyFans content are on same Instagram account; defends it as no shame around sexuality

“I don't believe that human sexuality is anything wrong in my book there's nothing wrong with it I celebrate sex”

ControversyAndrew uses logical conditionals to force Ashley to concede men are primary victims of war; Ashley reluctantly agrees.

“it would stand to reason then that men were the primary victims of war is that the argument Brian”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions (name/age/location/occupation)

Each guest introduces themselves. Danielle (D) CEO foot fetish business NJ/NYC; Desiree Noel sex coach SoCal 38; Alex multimedia artist 26 Russian-born; Emily 18 Pahrump NV unemployed; Ashley Paola 29 IE medical sales; Jessica 25 Hawthorne student/mom; Kwan Clark 30 San Diego waitress; Andrew Wilson The Crucible host.

Relationship status round

Each guest shares current relationship status and longest relationship. Desiree explains transactional dating philosophy at length. Alex discusses age-gap relationship with terminally ill 53-year-old partner. Emily is 3 weeks into new relationship. Ashley in talking stage with 43yo man.

Desiree's transactional dating/sex work model

Extended debate over Desiree charging men for her time/company (rent = ~$2700 SoCal). Discussion of whether this constitutes prostitution. Desiree insists it is legitimate business/energy exchange. Panel challenges her on tax implications, ethics, and consistency.

Polyamory vs monogamy debate

Alex and Desiree defend non-monogamous structures. Andrew Wilson argues for monogamy as healthy norm. Extended debate on jealousy as healthy vs. toxic, value of commitment, and what 'going with the flow' means.

Vibration/frequencies/New Age philosophy debate

Desiree explains 'low vibration' men, quantum physics as applied to dating, epigenetics as 'vibrational transfer'. Andrew challenges scientific validity. Brian invokes Terence Howard quotes. Discussion of Anunnaki, gravity as effect vs. force.

Women's laws / society / religion debate

Panel discusses why major societies have historically restricted women's behavior. Ashley gives Biblical perspective (male leadership/God-ordained structure). Andrew uses 'wait till your father gets home' example for male ontological authority.

Prostitution is it good or bad

Andrew poses law of excluded middle: is prostitution good or bad? Desiree says it is good for her personally. Andrew presses: she is 'a lot of hooker'. Panel asked to raise hands if prostitution is good.

Ratings round (looks self-assessment)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Most guests rate themselves 7-8. Andrew sarcastically claims 11. Desiree rates herself 8 then walks it back to 'solid 3' on Scarlett Johansson scale. Extended debate on objectivity of beauty standards.

Desiree's DMs / pre-show confrontation meta-discussion

Brian reads Desiree's hostile pre-show DMs aloud ('I'm above answering your questions, just book me'). Panel reacts. Desiree explains she was 'on a mission' and didn't know who Brian was. Andrew reveals he recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest's body count. Danielle: 7. Desiree: ~50-100 (lost virginity at 13). Alex: 8-10. Emily: 5-10. Kwan: under 10. Andrew: 10-12 intercourse (more if counting oral). Discussion of whether body count matters.

Primary victim of war (men vs women)

Final debate: who is the primary victim of war — men or women? Ashley argues women/children left behind are primary victims due to domino effect. Andrew uses logical conditionals (preference for abandonment over death) to show men have it worse. Ashley eventually concedes men are primary victims under Andrew's logic.

Closing call to action / wrap-up

Brian asks Desiree and Danielle if they'd stop sex work. Desiree says no; Danielle says she'd wait until she has a husband. Final shoutouts, raid to esfandTV, Andrew's channel promotion.

Transcript

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Brian Atlaswelcome to the whatever dating Talk podcast we had a little uh slip so we had to restart things so I'm going to consolidate the intro here I'm your host Brian Atlas thanks for tuning in tonight

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Brian Atlasfor the sake of time I'm going to skip through the rest of the introduction disclaimer the views expressed by the guests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever Channel with that said and without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves

Danielle (D)please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead hi my name is Danielle everyone calls me D I am from New Jersey I have an apartment there and I also have an apartment in New York

Danielle (D)City I am the CEO of the foot fetish place we have a location in mown Manhattan and we are also locating to

Desiree Noelour second location in New Jersey and I am a journalism major all right welcome hi there I'm desire Noel I'm a

Desiree Noelsex and relationship coach and a self-help author and a single mom of three here in SoCal Born and Raised on the streets and educated at UC Irvine

Desiree Noeland California Baptist University so I'm ready to go age age you don't ask a woman that I graduated high school in 2004 I'll say

Brian Atlasthat well I'm about to ask a woman that what's your age you can't do math 38 there you go Bingo hey that's good girl you look good

Alexshe went quick um hi I'm Alex um I'm a multimedia artist and a creative advisor and

Alexconsultant um as well as I do a few nights at the in um and I am uh

Emily26 all right welcome hi my name is Emily I am 18 years old and I am from a small town called P Nevada and I am unemployed

Brian Atlasbut I'm working on becoming a tattoo artist did you say prump mhm Nevada okay isn't that uh where there's like legal

Emilybrothels um I don't know I just moved there but you yeah it's like outside of Vegas so okay got it are you in uh

Ashley Paolacollege or no okay what about you uh my name is Ashley Paola I'm 29 years old I'm from Inland Empire I am in the sales

Ashley Paolaindustry in the medical field um I'm also a certified body sculptor and a

Jessicapodcaster hi my name is Jessica I'm 25 years old I live in hot Thorne I am a full-time student a fulltime Mom I'm

Jessicaalso a certified LTE and I just got certified as a nutrition coach congratulations go ahead hello my

Kwan Clarkname is Kwan Clark I'm 30 years old and I'm from San Diego U so right now I'm actually a waitress at a high-end Resort and I'm also studying to become a personal trainer all right welcome thank

Madisonyou my name is Madison I'm 19 years old I'm from San Diego California I'm a full-time student at Santa Barbara City College studying communication and I also work for the whatever podcast all right welcome everybody and then without

Andrew Wilsonfurther Ado my Caucasian Andrew Wilson take it away yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible I'm a political saturnist a political analyst and I also

Brian Atlasenjoy doing some debating from time to time good to have you Andrew and thank you for uh bringing that to our attention it's good that we figured that out sooner rather than later so thank you Andrew going around the table once

Brian Atlasmore what is everybody's current relationship status so are you uh single relationship married polycule Harum sex

Brian Atlascult um situationship friends with benefits whatever it may be if you're single how long have you been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in

Danielle (D)go ahead I am single ready to mingle my longest relationship has been 13 years oh from what age to what age from

Danielle (D)14 to about last year 2022 wait and you said you've been single for how long we broke up he was in

Danielle (D)jail and then he was like oh go do your own thing but then like he got mad about it and then we got back together when he got out but he was really with his Co so there's a little like mix up in there so

Danielle (D)we were together 10 years then we I found out between the three years so we could say 10 or we could say 13 wait what year did you graduate from high

Desiree Noelschool 12 12 okay got it okay uh relationship status so I am I guess you

Desiree Noelwould call me single I had about a 10-year relationship a typical marriage you know the whole thing had my kids with that guy we got divorced 5 years

Desiree Noelago so I left him and then I now am all of the above I don't agree to I just go with the flow I I go with the coochie flow you could say do whatever I want

Desiree Noelwhat does that mean it just means that I basically allow Partners or men to prove themselves to me so I don't agree to monogamy I don't agree to any sort of

Desiree Noelstructure of a relationship I just go out and have the connections and things that I desire and then I let men if they would like to try to be a husband or something to me I I

Desiree Noelbasically give them the price of that whether that's with how much time I want of them how much sex I want how much money I want I just put it to each men and I allow them to kind of rise to the top with whatever ones have a more what

Desiree Noelyou would consider a dating relationship with me or a sexual relationship or a Friends with Benefits I just kind of Leverage and get my needs met so when you say leverage what do you

Desiree Noelmean um basically the same way that you would do business negotiations so a man comes to me and let say he wants to take me out and I read Vibes very well so I know that that means I would like to take you to dinner I would like to give

Desiree Noelyou some drinks I would like you take you back and have sex with you so if I know that that's what he's coming at me with I set the price for judging on his character where he's at in life his Vibe

Desiree Noelthe whole thing I say okay if that's what you want from me then it's going to cost you my rent this month let's say he's a very kind of low Vibe guy and I read that and it's not somebody I would

Desiree Noelreally want to have a relationship with but I need my rent paid and I got a little bit of time so I give him that price he either agrees to it and I go on the date with him and then I never agree

Desiree Noelto doing anything sexual with people unless that's what my body wants to do at the real time so I make that clear to the man go to the dinner with him he paid my rent let's say and let's say I'm

Desiree Noelnot feeling it I say thank you very much I had a great time you got your couple hours with me you got to have a nice conversation I probably gave you some great ideas for your business I gave you

Desiree Noelsome great ideas for moving forward and you have a nice day or all the way to I really like the guy good quality man I ask him to take me to ice cream and then I sleep with him whenever I want to

Desiree Noelsleep with him that type of thing so it just depends on what you're bringing me and so you said that the the price for that is your rent no

Brian Atlasit just depends on the SoCal SoCal rent or Texas rent it's $700 so C rent you're okay so for a man to spend a night with you the cost is 2700 it just depends on

Desiree Noelthe man some some men are my friends and I like having sex with them and I feel safe with them and they might bring me a burrito and we [ __ ] if I can say that some men like I said their vibration

Desiree Noeltheir energy is very kind of toxic and low vibration and that's my test it's kind of like women test men right so however we do it we all do it we see how

Desiree Noelmuch attention he's going to give us we see how available he is or not we see if he lives with his mother we see if he has a how much does cost if he lives with his mom does it cost more or less like do you do charity like okay so I'll

Desiree Noelgive you an example I'll give you an example so I have all these guys in their 20s sliding into my DMs and they want to go out with me so what I'm doing is I understand this is not a man I'm going to sleep with this is not a man

Desiree NoelI'm ever going to think of as a husband but you know what I like that he shock his shot and you know what this guy with where he's at in life logically he needs

Desiree Noelto be going and getting himself like a single mom stripper and so I think logically okay let me help raise this man up and what I say is I just did this

Desiree Noel27-year old man I could tell maybe he has an apartment or some roommates maybe he lives with his parents but he's at that phase of life you can't afford a woman like me so I agree to what can he

Desiree Noelafford he could afford to take me to lunch so I say listen I'll meet you for lunch my son needs um new summer clothes like summer shorts how about this I'll meet you for lunch you can have me for

Desiree Noellike 2 hours and we can just on Amazon right there you can order my son the stuff he wants cuz you need to practice providing for that child of that single

Desiree Noelmom that's at your level so let me help you practice and then I'm going to even coach you through how to have eyes for the woman that you're qualified to be with right now and then I tell him she's

Desiree Noela stripper she's a stripper at a strip club she's a single mom she probably has one little kid and these are the things that you want to look for of being able to tell the good women versus the toxic

Desiree Noeljust strippers who are just career strippers and they're just working you for their money because there's signs of how to know there's signs of how to tell a good woman even if she's in a

Desiree Noelnontraditional profession there are signs there so I will Coach this young man through that that in and of itself is literally worth thousands of dollars of my Consulting time as a therapist as

Desiree Noela professional I agreed to do it for a lunch and maybe a hundred bucks of buying my son his summer clothes now if he agrees to it what a brilliant

Brian Atlasfreaking guy word if he doesn't we don't go on the date he loses it so that's how I do it you mentioned low vibration what

Desiree Noelso what is a low vibration okay so a low so we are all actually vibrating energy we are not solid form we are literally

Desiree Noelatoms we are a cluster of atoms that appears to be solid but there is space in between each atom and it's vibrating right so what we are calling a motion

Desiree Noelthat's an energetic vibrational frequency so shame carries a particular frequency for example and the thing is we have not been taught how to properly

Desiree Noelprocess or handle any of these more difficult feeling emotions think when you get embarrassed and your cheeks flush it has a physical effect on our

Desiree Noelbody these different emotions right so we have not been taught that it's okay to feel shame or embarrassment so when it comes it's supposed to just correct

Ashley Paolaus it's supposed to say hey you might want to put a sweatshirt on that you attract your vibration exactly so when I say does that mean that you're attracting these low vibration men

Desiree Noelbecause you're vibration uh noic you can't control the energy coming at you what you can control is which energy you allow into your close space

Desiree Noelso when these low vibration guys come so they're stuck in their childhood issues so they are stuck in shame they are stuck in fear they are

Desiree Noelstuck in scarcity they are stuck in Pride ego all of this so it makes a low vibration because these things are L weighing them down no I get that but if

Desiree Noelthey're in low vibration Frome that's how I test I they can only attract low vibration exactly so if he's coming at me and I'm essentially inviting him to

Ashley Paolaraise his vibration I'm inviting him to trust a healthy woman who knows him can see through him and can raise that logic he would only be able to attract you as

Desiree Noela if you were a healthy woman he would only be able to attract you if he was healthy but because he's not not healthy he's attracting you no no because he's unhealthy he says no to the deal if he

Desiree Noelwas willing to step up and be a little bit healthier he would agree to the deal but if you're high vibration why would you agree to that deal if you're I didn't agree to it isn't that going to lower I have the wisdom over the years

Desiree Noelto know how high to set the price so that's how I weed the men out okay okay okay so this guy for example he was so live low vibration he wasn't even willing to spend

Kwan Clark50 bucks to spend an afternoon with a woman like me date right that's some low Vibe [ __ ] no I was going to say 1 on a first date is kind of wild well when you get to my level first date that's

Kwan Clarknothing normal first dates for me are thousands of dollars that's that's insane that's not that's not really what's happening usually it's like free to to go to the beach time you're getting to know the person

Desiree Noelthis isn't like you're my girlfriend I'm going to spend thousands of dollars on you hundreds here the thing when you're expert psychoanalyst you don't need that you know the person instantly so I have

Desiree Noelthat gift what I don't need all this time to get to know a man I don't need it I know right away almost like what you would think of as a psychic right into you right away I know exactly what

Desiree Noelyou got going on CU I'm such a master at the human psyche I'm very educated again I'm not a typical woman walking around I can coach women through some basic skills you don't have to be my level but

Desiree Noelit's Street smarts you read Vibes you don't read what they say you're reading between the lines ladies and that's how you do the choosing these guys are marketing they're using sleazy marketing

Danielle (D)tactics to sell you some [ __ ] don't buy that [ __ ] read the vibe excuse me I'm question bu what if what if he doesn't have the skills that you have and he

Kwan Clarkthen I'm not his girl then you might be his girl or you might be his girl I'm definitely not his girl right but you see what saying there's plenty of variety out there but why don't you just go for a man that's on your caliber like what's the point of ENT I know but

Kwan Clarkwhat's the point of entertaining these guys that you know are it's a business I don't entertain them but you do you allow them to take you out on Dat and pay for your son's clo no you didn't understand he didn't accept so I didn't go but but if he did accept why

Kwan Clarkentertain that you know that's that's a pitiful man like he's not even important need his [ __ ] basketball shorts I know but that's what a job is for that is my job or you go for a good man that afford your son and is okay with you having other children that he can take

Desiree Noelcare of you and kid I think you're missing the point I'm a consultant and a sex and relationship coach this is my business okay we're talking in dating yeah but we're talking like we're talking run my dating life as my

Desiree Noelbusiness kill two birds there you go win win I make my money dating in a sense I make my money dating and then like right now one of my clients he's the husband

Desiree Noelwith Benefits type of guy he pays my bills if I I need he takes me on nice trips we talk to each other he helps me with business connections he gets what

Desiree Noelhe wants and I get can you um can you explain for me CU I've been listening for a little bit how you would distinguish yourself from a prostitute it's it's it's honestly not it's the

Desiree Noelsame type of energy exchange we call it whatever you want I have no taboo about it we're all doing that you're going to your job clocking in clocking out doing something that you don't necessarily want to do guess what I get to do I only

Desiree Noeldo things I want to do so that sounds like a sugar relationship then I mean we can call it you can call it whatever you want it doesn't matter it's just an energy exchange and that's how you do it and honestly if you think

Desiree Noelabout it this is how we do everything in life everything's a negotiation here's my energy what are you willing to give me in exchange for for this energy but you said you're like a dating and

Ashley Paolarelationship coach right so how is it that you're going about having shallow interactions like looking at transactions there's nothing shallow about me your relationship dating expert

Desiree Noelwhen that's not love that's that's a business I'm not operating on love I'm operating on a business and if I fall in love in doing my business like I have friends like I said I have friends with

Desiree Noelbenefits I love them they love me there's no money exchange there's energy there's whatever but when I have strange men strangers that I've never met this is my testing process I'm going to treat

Desiree Noelyou like this is a job this is my profession if you if you agree and you pass my test and you show me you're a good man then guess what things change I

Danielle (D)have a question yeah I'm not disagreeing I'm just trying to understand and process everything I think we all are what if he is trying to distinguish you as well I don't play that [ __ ] game I

Danielle (D)have nothing to prove I have the [ __ ] no no like he like he no but yeah okay it's true girls it's our commodity your body is your most pricess commodi think

Desiree Noelyour body is the most priceless it is 100% it creates life it creates life without my body this human population wouldn't continue so what's going to happen when you're 80 and nobody is

Ashley Paolagoing to be in that my my [ __ ] game or you can't what okay medically what if medically you can't because that happens I work with seniors and there's a lot of seniors that can I a hand I got a mouth nobody L to actually die alone I'm not

Kwan Clarkgoing to die alone are you kidding me I'm surrounded by people who left yeah but you're talking about a hand like your own hand is not the same as a a man that actually loves you and holding you and being around you have those guys who

Danielle (D)love me I us take care of a 99y old man and he had all the money billionaire no he never got married never had kids so when he died the money

Danielle (D)went to his fourth cousin that he never met his wraparound terce Penthouse in New York City went to the state and and so came to it went to the state it didn't go to his family it was going to

Kwan Clarkgo to the state it went to the fourth cousin cuz they found someone that was they to find someone but he never met the guy that's pretty sad but that's sad you don't even have any children to bring that money down to they could just

Desiree Noeltake that money and start businesses so imagine there's a there's a bunch of these guys out here ladies who are just looking for companionship they're honestly just looking for companionship because they thought that

Desiree Noellife was about money so they spent their whole lives chasing money only to end up realizing I just actually want companionship so when I say [ __ ] what

Desiree NoelI'm really meaning is feminine energy feminine energy is so valuable and at the end of the day men if you bring them healthy authentic feminine energy which

Desiree Noelguess what takes their ego down a notch sometimes because it taking a man's ego down is actually helping his soul emerge so he rises up as being a better man if

TTS Readerhe handles that well if gets all egotistical about it and doesn't listen Alysa wants Brian's small donated $200 hey Brian the single mom from last

TTS Readershow has been blasting IG stories and she says she would smash you and your dead bod would you yeah I saw that also would any of you ladies have carnal knowledge of

Brian AtlasBrian uh so uh first off it's not small it's average get it right secondly look she's very nice I always appreciate people who offer push back makes for an interesting

Brian Atlasshow and I think we would like to get her back on eventually from a dating perspective look she was she's an attractive woman ex- stripper xof girl two kids in the middle of a divorce

Brian Atlasargumentative Kink history I'm not cool with she domed a mail uh if it wasn't for all that maybe um Jesus Christ yeah and I guess they're

Brian Atlasasking if you guys would date me basically cinal knowledge date me I'm pretty much the same uh so we'll start over here with you would would you if I would date you yeah if You' date me you're not my typical type I'd like

Kwan Clarkathletic men if I'm being honest I like I got to lose weight she's not she she's not wrong I got to lose a little we I got to lose a little weight cuz I work at all the time and I if I have to go to the gym constantly and have my

Kwan Clarkbody looking right and tight I expect my man to do the same I got a dumpy though does that change anything if you got a fat ass that's good does that change anything right Madison it helps yeah Madison sure

Danielle (D)no I know you always bring it up face is getting red look how red your face is your face is they bring it up bring it up you guys feminine energy

Brian Atlasall right what about what about you um same I go to the gym a lot in uh just two guys I got to lose some weight these girls talking oh that buds I like that

Ashley Paolait's fake News Boys it is I say it all the time go I don't think so you're not my like usual type yeah you know like white I guess yeah I hated one white guy

Ashley Paolahe's really Italian but yeah no I don't think so it's hard out here um no not really you know she's going to test you

Desiree Noelout you know Brian to be honest with you what's so sexy is if a man can handle me going head-to-head with his ego that's so sexy so

Desiree Noelactually I have hope for because you did come back and apologize I could tell you genuinely tried to do it the best you could I understand you're on a lot of pressure this is probably your

Desiree Noellivelihood you make money doing this and I understand the dynamic so yes or no yeah I I would say I would give you a chance oh look at that and I would even

Desiree NoelI would even submit to you if you were willing if you were willing to let me Dom that little ego that pops out once in a while I would I would be your baby girl and cover him mother

Desiree Noelbaby girl that's my thing I'm a baby girl I'm a baby girl but only to a true daddy who always undersells an overd deliver is it my turn go yeah go ahead I

Brian Atlaswould there you go see two I just haven't I I just don't know you enough I want to go home I have a I just need to ask you I

Brian Atlasjust need to ask you are are you under the influence of anything no I'm just excited I've been on the airplane for 6 hours and you did put her on blast she's

Brian Atlasnervous poor thing no even before that you there's there's like this deadness in the eyes yeah it's just that's associated with people who

Danielle (D)typically are on no narcotics she offered me the sativa and she didn't take it she didn't take it the drink and I gave her a drink did you drink are you

Danielle (D)sober I drank as much as you took two sips of her cocktail or whatever we should ask him if he's on in a 2our car ride okay so you're tired you're tired I didn't sleep last night I got on plan

Danielle (D)when did you wake up 500 a.m. eastern time correct 5:00 a.m. eastern time so that's like 2: a.m. Pacific time pass okay I passed got on a plane yeah okay

Brian Atlasall right she's tired tired and there's energy she's tired she's not on drugs okay Andrew all right this is by the way everybody else

Brian AtlasI I apologize some messages came through but the moderation uh delay was on so I'm going to do them really quick then we're going to get everybody's relationship status we'll come back to a lot of the stuff that you said donated

TTS Readerfor the delay I apologize brixon has a speech impediment means 304 vibration amazing

TTS Readergrift to turn sex work into seemingly legal work you receive 1099s or skip the two behold the height of

Desiree Noelnarcissism H I think that was direct at you maybe I could be wrong so I guess I'm I guess is the question do I pay taxes I don't know what question is do

Desiree Noelyou do like 10 do you get $10.99 yeah I pay my taxes just like anybody else I have an S corporation so my only fans business obviously gets and I wrote my book so all my book royalties go to my es like you said that the guys who you

Desiree Noelchoose to sleep with they have to pay your rent which is 2700 no no no I'm not saying I'm not saying they have to I'm simply saying if it's a man is it like under the table or are you like reporting that on

Brian Atlas1099 like are you sending them 1099 like do you get w9s from them and then like send them in 1099 do you do that when your grandma sends you a Christmas gift oh but I thought I thought this is your work I thought this

Desiree Noelis your like work right I mean it's no different then if you um go buy your weed at one of these places where you have to you can only do it by donation and it has to be a gift right it's

Brian Atlasloopholes oh they still have to report that to the loopholes it's loopholes I'm pretty sure they still have to wait if it's a certain amount but to be honest my income is very low you have you have to send if it's over $600 you have to send

Desiree Noela$1 if I had like a crush on you and I want to send tax fraud no because here's the thing I get these guys to coign for me so for example this guy who might pay

Desiree Noelmy rent he co-signed for it so it's his apartment too technically for a month oh huh for a month you get someone to do that on the first day I highly doubt that what someone no no no this would be guys that I already have like had a

Madisonprish we we'll get into it in a bit Maddie can you read these three chats just while we have them here and then we'll get relationship status sure does this woman realize she's admitting to the world she's willing to prostitute for a burrito what kind of test do these

Brian Atlasmen need to do when they're done with this har Harlot yeah I don't know what the question is like do you make them take like an SAT test or like elsat we

Madisonhave conversations just like anybody else I don't know like not okay I don't know uh this one mie so in other words rather than working on and saving her marriage she decided to go from loyal

Desiree Noelwife to Singo 3oo putting her own needs in front of your own children so sad I feel for the children well guess what their dad only made $35,000 a year with

Desiree Noela family of five and guess what this guy was so controlling and insecure he wouldn't let me work so you do the math I needed to leave in order to make a better life for my children and I picked

Desiree Noeldoing work that allowed me to be home safely raising my own kids and I'm a sexy Soul so I'm very comfortable doing these things and I would have been doing it anyway for free so might as well get

Desiree Noelmy bills paid doing what for free hold I would be I would be going on dates or having sex with people or having conversations with peopleit while you were

Desiree Noelmarried [ __ ] well I had my first marriage where we had agreed to monogamy we were Christians and we had the whole typical setup so I never would have done that in my marriage you've been married multiple times and then my my second

Desiree Noeltime I tried it again and we did a non-traditional thing so I didn't do it legally we were not I never agreed to monogamy we had an open relationship so you got married in a church the first time not in the church but you said

Desiree Noelyou've been you were married a second time so the second time we had our own ceremony and we did it our own way it was non-traditional because I wasn't going to agree to any of that anymore it just didn't fit me how many kids do you

Brian Atlashave I have three children I had them with my husband my first husband they all have the same dad you said was making 35k $$ 35,000 what was doing for work he was like he's like a grunt at a

Desiree Noellaw firm he's do does PL no he does Plumbing he he's like their [ __ ] he does electrical he he was a plumber at the law firm he's just a jack of all trade that was like like a handyman yeah

Desiree Noelkind of like a handyman he would do some it stuff for them like you know he's a he's a very smart jack of all trades guy but his level of worthiness was so low that he was never working himself up in

Desiree Noellife I even went and worked at Cal Baptist fulltime even though I didn't want to so that he could go to college for free and thought you said he wouldn't let you work huh I thought I thought you said he wouldn't let you

Desiree Noelwork he he wouldn't I went and did I disobeyed you could say I disobeyed and got this job because I was like look you can go to college for free I'll be a secretary I I moved my mom out from

Desiree NoelColorado to watch the kids so I was supporting my own mother because she needed a job anyway and I was trying to provide a way for this man to get a college education so he could provide better for him I literally did

Desiree Noeleverything I could technically he wasn't that controlling if you were able to do that well no be he was so mean to me because I got the job I I only lasted 3 months because the marriage got so difficult because I had disobeyed and he

Andrew Wilsonwasn't okay with it so I had to leave the job and then we're back to being broke pull that back up back up a little bit if you don't mind keep it for a second hide it for a second how how exactly did you disobey when you're flying your mom out and all of this he

Andrew Wilsonmust have consented to at least some of that he had to have right you can't just you get on the phone with your mom at like 1 1:00 in morning M was homeless we going to sneak you out here into the house without him knowing you didn't do

Desiree Noelthat right no my mom was basically homeless so she was just basically couch surfing around in Arizona and I didn't fly her out I had her drive out and I asked her can you watch the kids I will

Desiree Noelget you I will rent you a room in another lady's house and I I set everything up in order it was like me killing two birds with one stone for my family so I saw it as here's an

Desiree Noelopportunity for me to make sure my mom is safe her job is going to be to watch my children which I felt okay with it's their grandma and I'm going to go be um a secretary at the University where I

Desiree Noelgot my Master's Degree at in order to bring in some extra money to basically pay for my mom's life and to allow my husband who is obviously stuck in his Financial development it will allow him

Desiree Noelto go to college for free because that was the program you could either go to college for free or your spouse if they hadn't had a degree yet could go for free I already had a master's degree by this time and he didn't agree to any of this he okay it's one of those things

Desiree Noelwhere you know what wives do we like come on he went along with it not very happy about it but it made logical St to it it made logical sense I don't understand so this is what I don't

Andrew Wilsonunderstand is like you say he's he was super controll so controlling wouldn't even let you work then we find out it was very covert hang let me finish let me finish hang on I just let you go let

Andrew Wilsonme at least ask the question sure but then we find out well wait a second no that's not really what happened what actually happened was your mom who's homeless he moved into his house right and no no no we didn't move her into the

Desiree Noelhouse I I rented her a room with another single lady she didn't live we had a little tiny apartment we had no money we had a twoed apartment with wait wait wait wait you just said that part of the reasons you went to work is so that you

Desiree Noelcould support your mom so I could kill two birds with basically making sure that my mom's need basic needs were met of having housing being safe and I could

Desiree Noelhave this job that offered me this perk of letting this man get a degree for free at a private university that would have cost us $50,000 so I was trying to I was trying

Desiree Noelto create an opportunity that he couldn't say no to is what you could say and at the end of the day went along with it because it made logical sense but he wasn't okay with it so he made my

Desiree Noellife kind of help I don't well I don't understand the the the conflict here so because you don't understand you obviously don't understand the Dynamics in these super religious um structures

Andrew Wilsonof a relationship so that's why I'm asking the problem is is like as let's try to have this as a conversation so I can ask at least some questions um before you cut in in the in mids sentence otherwise I can't even ask so

Desiree Noeljust kind of backing up what I don't understand here is Mom moves in right get job Mom doesn't move in she she moves in with another lady that I agreed

Andrew Wilsonto pay $500 a month for her to live there to rent a room she's not living in our apartment so this wasn't one of those situations where your husband was like well if you're going to do that you

Andrew Wilsonneed to financially support her I'm sure he probably said something like that I don't remember this that does sound logical to me so it sound

Andrew Wilsonwell look that's your mom and uh if she's homeless maybe she's you know maybe he thinks that she's a screw up or something like that well to be honest to be honest I sold it to the man more like

Desiree Noelhere's your ticket to get a college degree finally the mom thing was kind of just that's how the kids will get taken care of it was neither here nor there to be honest it was more about I'm creating

Desiree Noelan opportunity for this man to get educated in order to move our family up the the financial ladder even if it took four or five years for to get seconds

Andrew Wilsonfinish your point please and then Andrew can respond okay so so just real quick um what if he didn't want to what if he didn't want to go to college well obviously at the end of the day he stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop

Brian Atlasstop stop stop look Andrew lets you speak you got to let him finish his sentence before you respond go ahead Andrew yeah yeah just just and the thing is is H that's the most productive way

Andrew Wilsonfor us to converse by the way it's I I want to hear what you have to say but I need you to hear what I'm saying as well otherwise otherwise we're just going to come to bad conclusions so uh if if husband says well I don't want to go to college that's not my thing maybe I want

Andrew Wilsonto do a blueco collar thing or work myself up uh you know from the bottom of a job or something like this um you say well but I want to create this opportunity for you but how are you creating an opportunity for somebody if

Andrew Wilsonthey don't want to do that thing isn't that actually you who's the one who's being pushy you being the one who's being controlling would be the opposite of him being controlling yes you're

Desiree Noelright and so that is the toxic part of our relationship that I learned I picked the wrong guy and he was

Desiree Noelnot he was not the man that I ultimately wanted to partner with or raise children with because he didn't have that tenacity or that work ethic or that

Desiree Noeldrive and so yes it was very toxic of me and I understand why you know our Rel relationship we stayed together basically because we were Christians and we didn't believe in divorce Andrew your

Andrew Wilsonresponse and then I got to move things on yeah yeah yeah yeah no problem uh just last Quick last response who wanted the divorce it was me I left yeah okay so you were controlling and it became

Desiree Noeltoxic and then you well he was controlling as well he was we like a tracks like so we were two P's in a pod just on the different end of the

TTS Readerspectrum I don't believe that like s like it does that's literally donated $200 you say he only made $3,000 but yet

TTS Readeryou decided to marry him and have three children with him anyway and you basically just admitted that you put your own needs in front of your family

Brian Atlasnumber 304 20 second response if you want to yeah I mean yeah okay uh Maddie I'm going to have you read this vald good to see you in the chat slingshot good to see you back in the chat man

Madisonthank thank you appreciate it mads readed does you're worth about as much as Kiki in the back please shut up no one cares I'd much rather hear from the

Madisonpouty face Latinas and the bunny Queen do you're literally killing Society all right valde thank you appreciate it and then we have I did

Brian Atlasapologize to the man FY I think it's back I think it's backoo woo oh my God what's going on today boys our stream quality is uh I think it's okay

Brian AtlasNick I think it's okay you want me to check uh I think we're okay right Andrew can you hear us you can hear us okay we had a dip in

Brian Atlasour uh bit rate uh okay so let me just repoll those Red's going down Spyro you'll have to shoot me a DM on Instagram if you want

Brian Atlasto do Bitcoin uh if you want uh so thank you man I appreciate it and then pelagic thank you for the uh very generous Super Chat appreciate it buddy okay we got to get everybody's relationship status so

Alexlet's get yours all right go ahead all right well I am currently in a committed relationship for almost a year and my longest relationship was 5 years all

Brian Atlasright and if it's my understanding is correct you're currently in an age Gap relationship yes so you're 26 and he's

Brian Atlas53 he's 53 wow and you both bonded over uh you you both had uh illnesses is that correct yes we both have um chronic

Alexhealth conditions um and we met because I was walking with a cane in the in the movie theater that we were watching and he just approached me and just asked

Alexabout it and he has a terminal illness so teral is it cancer or um no it's um it's a pancreas thing um so he

Alexdoesn't have too long to live sorar very sad but it just brings us closer together on multiple levels and

Brian Atlasbeing present in the moment and sorry you said he's 50 how old three 53 okay and uh I had another question on that so

Brian Atlasuh he was was he previously married he was never married no children no children okay and you guys aren't married no and he pretty much has nobody

Alexin his life besides you or well he he has a sister um and then he has um a couple of Trustees who will handle everything after he passes are you

Alexgetting anything in the estate or um I'm not sure but I do know that I am welcome to stay at the place where I made home um with the lovely ladies who who live

Alexthere with his sister and um and um another woman who is actually was his oldest girlfriend and is his number one all right like it you um I am in a

Emilyrelationship right now and my longest relationship was 10 months how long have you been seeing this current um we just started dating

Brian Atlaslike three weeks ago all right three weeks how did you guys meet um we met online tinger like a dating app or no

Emilylike like Snapchat he added me snap people meet on Snapchat well I'm 18 so like it's a different yeah you could just randomly add people on

Ashley PaolaSnapchat yeah yeah okay um I currently or I recently met someone and we're talking and my longest relationship is four years when you say uh how recent like in the past month so you've been

Ashley Paolalike in the talking stage for a month yes okay and also age Gap oh how old is he I'm 29 and he's 43 29 43

Jessicaokay um I'm currently in a relationship my longest is three years um I'm not sure if mine qualifies for an age Gap it's just five years but I mean it's not

Jessicayeah that's and uh wait you've been uh dating this K Kai for how long um we've been together for oh it's hard to give a time just because

Jessicait's it's very complicated our our situation how long have you known them 3 years 3 years yeah and you said your longest relationship was 3 years

Jessicawhen did that relation ship end um that one was my high school sweetheart I see and then this guy we've I've known him for 3 years and we've been together for

Jessica3 years but and he's I have a child with him oh but right now it's a it's a difficult situation yeah he took some

Brian Atlasmil whoa what the nick nick oh my oh my gosh uh okay so you you have just one child yes okay and you guys have been kind of like off off

Brian Atlasand on for three years for practically my entire pregnancy everything yeah okay so he's the I'm assuming he's the father Yes of the child okay we got some hot

Kwan ClarkMas here all right what about you well I'm not a mom but I am single and I'm currently dating um I started dating back in September online dating mainly

Brian Atlasum and my longest relationship is a year and a half all right and you said you're currently dating uh so are you in like a talking stage or I'm talking to someone right now this one's actually really recent literally a couple days ago have

Kwan Clarkyou guys been on a date or no he actually he lives in a different state oh okay how did you guys meet Instagram no so my friend satara she actually

Kwan Clarkworks she she travels a lot for work so she went to she went to Seattle and then she was on uh I think it was Bumble and then she was looking for guys on Bumble they both matched and then he saw a picture of me and her on her profile so

Kwan Clarkthen he asked her oh who's your friend is she single and then so she connected us both so we started talking to Instagram and then we just started talking so okay and is this the

Kwan Clarkonly guy that you're talking to yep the only one you don't have like a roster or anything like that no I'm not like that I'm not bimp like that okay big pimp all

Brian Atlasright uh but you guys are planning to meet then that's the plan yeah yeah we yeah so I'm just did you guys have like anything concrete like you're going to you're going to go there he's going to come here in a month we literally just

Kwan Clarktalking about that today this is just a random conversation right now cuz I literally told him oh I'm going to be on a podcast you want to watch so I don't know if he's watching right now so this is kind of different oh [ __ ] okay all right

Brian Atlashi all right cool so we've got everybody's relationship status uh I'm trying to think what else we had to uh hit on Nick you could hide that one by

Brian Atlasthe way from uh him but I think we can get into some of my pre-show notes Here initially to oh wait hold on Andrew your relationship

Brian Atlasstatus uh yeah I'm happily married have been for well over a decade all right congratulations rock and roll so I'm going to get into some pre-show notes here I've got quite a few tonight so we

Brian Atlasare going to try to get through them as quickly as possible but I'm G to start with you so hold on there so many I'm scrolling through yeah I wrote a lot no

Brian Atlasnot even you just from everybody uh so wait did I skip past it or how many notes do I have sorry guys give me one moment Alex right yes okay so in terms

Brian Atlasof your relationship history you said that you've been in long-term relationships at one point you were engaged um yes but you never got married

Alexno okay who called off the engagement me mhm um I kind of it was um actually um

Alexafter it was actually to my um ex-best friend who I've been best friends with high school and we also only reconnected after graduating and we've been talking

Alexfor a few months and then I proposed and then I proposed did you have a ring um he got me a ring and then I got him a

Alexring after that oh okay um did you get down on the one was no um because it was actually over the phone because we were

Alexwe were kind of um kind of long distance but it was right after I ended well we mutually ended my five-year relationship so I was kind of a little bit vulnerable

Alexand just um okay and reconnecting so and then we were planning on getting married um two months in and then I actually

Alexkind of figured out I might be a lesbian instead and uh broke everything off wait how long were you dating him um for

Alexabout um 3 months but I've known him for about like six years he he was my best friend in high school so what's your orientation are you bisexual um yeah I

Brian Atlasmean I I go with a flow whoever I meet who I VI with you date men and women yes okay and you also said you in addition to that you're you've been in

Brian Atlaspolyamorous situations dating six to 10 people is 10 people the most you've dated at the time or more um at a time yes now just to for a better

Brian Atlasunderstanding like with poly was it like a 10 person couple or like you were dating 10 individual people um I was I

Alexwas T I was dating 10 individual people one of them was a couple um and then a couple of them were online and then a

Andrew Wilsonfew were um just here and there um so okay so you real quick I just wanted to know too uh you have kind of a a strange way of speaking um where's the accent

Andrew Wilsonfrom um I'm originally from Russia okay I thought I thought maybe you were but I wasn't sure Riley re little little like um but

Alexhow how long have you been in the states um let's see since 2009 2009 and uh basically centered around the West Coast um I have been

Alexkind of all over from um in California from like Al area to Bay Area and I live like everywhere in between that's like the first time heard a Russian accent but kind of mixed in with Valley girls I

Brian Atlaswas like what the hell what like what oh that's funny you you speak Russian I'm assuming uh yes I do of course okay very cool very cool and

Alexbut so you moved in 2009 so you were what like I was 11 turning 12 okay and you moved with your family your um I moved with my mom and my dad no I'm

Alexsorry with my mom and my brother um because she fell in love and got married um but then it ended up being an abusive relationship and uh it was a whole bunch of stuff wait so back in Russia your

Alexparents were never never married or they split up they were married but they did split up they got dived yeah they did get divorced and then your mother met an American and then yes because my aunt

Alexlives here so she came to visit her and she met met met an american guy they fell in love they they got married in Vegas green card was there a green card

Alexum after yes and then she brought us over and then there was a whole lots of stuff all right so dating the uh the 6

Brian Atlasto 10 people so like when you say poly polyamory dating six to 10 people so like are you like hooking up with all of them kind of at like you know one on

AlexMonday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday like that kind of thing um kind of it's kind of whenever our schedules combined and kind of our schedules worked on the majority of people I saw maybe once

Ashley Paolatwice a week um and then a couple of them were online relationships so you know it was a little easier did it ever get overwhelming like trying to talk to so many people people their needs and

Alexremember who lot of time seriously at that at that time no because I just wanted to experience as much as I have I've just come out of um period of 2year celibacy

Alexso you oh you were Cate for two years I was celibate for 2 years prior to that um um multiple reasons but it's really to work on myself and just kind

Alexof not be a terrible person to other people and like learn how to be wait I have I have a question for you so during

Brian Atlasthis celibacy thing like would you say within 3 months so you were at the tail end of your celibacy uh 3 months

Brian Atlasdating for or there was a the 3month tail end of your celibacy were there any guys who were romantically and or sexually interested in you um not really because I didn't really talk to many

Alexpeople however I read a lot of spicy books and um that's kind of what got me back into the whole like trying to see if it would even work romance novels

Danielle (D)okay with the guy on the horse with the long hair Fabio yeah Fabio Fabio okay I was just curious like if at the tail end

Brian Atlasof your celibacy you were like no no no I'm C bit and then your celibacy ends and then you're just like dating

Alexlike six dudes like well it started with one um and then two and then three and then four and then five you know so would you tell the guys that you were

Alexseeing other guys yes I was always honest and I was always um asking uh for the SD panels prior to every single prior to every single first date even if

AlexI wasn't planning on doing any anything now a quick uh quick question for you uh were your parents Russian Orthodox yes

Alexhowever you know it wasn't strictly followed sure yeah yeah yeah sure so were you baptized into the church then I was baptized into the church however

Alexstarting 7 years old when we baptized my brother I started getting terrible headaches whenever I entered into church so I haven't been in ever since maybe the incense

Andrew Wilsonmost likely but also the pressure you know like being and behaving a certain way so um what do your parents what do your parents think about this about this

Alexlifestyle and all of this um well my mom doesn't really know much about my life we're not too close so she knows about

Alexthe one I'm dating so all the long-term relationships she knows about but you know everything in between is my own personal stuff well because if they're um the're

Andrew WilsonRussian Orthodox and I'm I take it they would frown on polyamory and on the perhaps same-sex relationship stuff that kind of thing

Alexright well I was always different so my mom kind of you know we always were not friendly with each other growing up so it's like she always kind of expected me

Alexto do whatever and you know I went to an art school so like I I feel like she would have had had possibly some kind of at least the thought that that might be

Alexa chance okay so you're not very close with him then with with mom or dad so my dad has passed away um but um not too close with my mom she recently moved to

AlexArizona and then she's going to be traveling the world with her fiance um so there's not much chance to really

Alexchat and then with uh with Dad when did he pass he passed um oh my god um I think it was

Alex2017 and I haven't seen him since like about 2 weeks before I left and I haven't spoken to him or seen him he's never asked about me or you mean when

Andrew Wilsonyou were seven you haven't spoken to him since you since you left when you were seven um since I left since I was 10 oh 10 okay yeah sorry gotch you all right yeah I was just curious I just wanted to kind of flush the rest of that out so

Brian Atlasappreciate you answering my questions and on on that note you uh you said that monogamy you I think you have an issue with monogamy being the standard and you

Alexthink that monogamy is harmful that's what you said your monogamy is harmful why is that so I don't necessarily think monogamy is harmful it's more it's

Alexharmful as a social Norm to begin with like um I don't think that it's right to just like es especially in the talking stage or like the beginning dating stage

Alexto just focus on one person and expect to be with just one person and on top of that there has to be specific levels of

Alexcommitment in order to get to that to that monogamous relationship and to create the boundaries and the rules and set what you want so I think monogamy

Alexshould not be the beginning Norm I think it should be what everyone comes to conclus long term you do want that or do you want to do you think that like 5 10 years how old

Desiree Noelare you I'm 26 I think she just wants to go with the flow if it naturally occurred and it felt right but the thing is when you agree to monogamy it can very easily get toxic exactly and the guys tend to start controlling you

Kwan Clarkbecause you choose the wrong man let's just be honest you choose the wrong man well if you choose that could be the case if you choose a man that says to you I want to get married I want to have children I want it to be a monop

Ashley Paolaand then they have but not all men are are like your ex like I've also dealt with bad men but they're not all like that so you're open to it though you're open to the to to being committed to one

Alexperson so I am committed to one person so so so it's literally go with the flow of what I feel like um so it's like at the moment I physically do not want anyone else I have no interest in anyone

Alexelse so like so we've talked about it you know and we both were like Hey we're not really interested in other people

Ashley Paolaif a situ where we meet so it's kind of just feeling based emotional based exactly so you said that it it's like a

Alextoxic social structure like to be monogamous but what from the Geto yeah so so specifically from the GetGo I think monogamy should be established and

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