The Most INSANE Show Ever?! FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! 2+24?! She EXTORTS Men?! | Dating Talk #169

Date: 2024-06-12

Duration: 8h 46m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDesiree Noel >

AAshley Paola >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Kwan Clark(guest)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Alex(guest)

SPEAKER_09Desiree Noel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Jessica(guest)

SPEAKER_12Danielle (D)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Ashley Paola(guest)

SPEAKER_14Emily(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDesiree explains transactional dating: sets price for male access to her time based on their 'vibe'; example of charging rent (~$2700) for a date/night

“if I know that's what he's coming at me with I set the price for judging on his character where he's at in life his Vibe”

QuoteAlex discloses she is in a committed relationship with a 53-year-old man who has a terminal pancreatic illness; they met when he noticed her walking with a cane at a movie theater

“he has a terminal illness so terminal is it cancer or no it's a pancreas thing so he doesn't have too long to live”

QuoteDesiree admits it's the same energy exchange as prostitution: 'we call it whatever you want... it doesn't matter'

“it's honestly not it's the same type of energy exchange we call it whatever you want I have no taboo about it”

QuoteBrian mocks Terence Howard quotes about Flower of Life and wave conjugations, feeding them to Desiree who partially agrees with the pseudoscience

“he was able to open up the Flower of Life properly and find the real wave conjugations”

ControversyAndrew challenges panelists on their self-ratings: claims none are 8s, compares them to Scarlett Johansson in her prime as benchmark for 8.

“not even one who's an eight”

QuoteDesiree's hostile pre-show DMs read aloud: 'I'm above needing to answer your certain questions, just book me on your fucking show'

“I am above needing to answer your certain questions just book me on your fucking show and let's go”

ControversyAndrew reveals he secretly recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian and that Brian 'didn't know who he was fucking with'

“you said behind the scenes that you wanted Revenge that you wanted to get some guys and that Brian didn't know who he was fucking with”

QuoteDesiree discloses children's photos and explicit OnlyFans content are on same Instagram account; defends it as no shame around sexuality

“I don't believe that human sexuality is anything wrong in my book there's nothing wrong with it I celebrate sex”

ControversyAndrew uses logical conditionals to force Ashley to concede men are primary victims of war; Ashley reluctantly agrees.

“it would stand to reason then that men were the primary victims of war is that the argument Brian”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions (name/age/location/occupation)

Each guest introduces themselves. Danielle (D) CEO foot fetish business NJ/NYC; Desiree Noel sex coach SoCal 38; Alex multimedia artist 26 Russian-born; Emily 18 Pahrump NV unemployed; Ashley Paola 29 IE medical sales; Jessica 25 Hawthorne student/mom; Kwan Clark 30 San Diego waitress; Andrew Wilson The Crucible host.

Relationship status round

Each guest shares current relationship status and longest relationship. Desiree explains transactional dating philosophy at length. Alex discusses age-gap relationship with terminally ill 53-year-old partner. Emily is 3 weeks into new relationship. Ashley in talking stage with 43yo man.

Desiree's transactional dating/sex work model

Extended debate over Desiree charging men for her time/company (rent = ~$2700 SoCal). Discussion of whether this constitutes prostitution. Desiree insists it is legitimate business/energy exchange. Panel challenges her on tax implications, ethics, and consistency.

Polyamory vs monogamy debate

Alex and Desiree defend non-monogamous structures. Andrew Wilson argues for monogamy as healthy norm. Extended debate on jealousy as healthy vs. toxic, value of commitment, and what 'going with the flow' means.

Vibration/frequencies/New Age philosophy debate

Desiree explains 'low vibration' men, quantum physics as applied to dating, epigenetics as 'vibrational transfer'. Andrew challenges scientific validity. Brian invokes Terence Howard quotes. Discussion of Anunnaki, gravity as effect vs. force.

Women's laws / society / religion debate

Panel discusses why major societies have historically restricted women's behavior. Ashley gives Biblical perspective (male leadership/God-ordained structure). Andrew uses 'wait till your father gets home' example for male ontological authority.

Prostitution is it good or bad

Andrew poses law of excluded middle: is prostitution good or bad? Desiree says it is good for her personally. Andrew presses: she is 'a lot of hooker'. Panel asked to raise hands if prostitution is good.

Ratings round (looks self-assessment)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Most guests rate themselves 7-8. Andrew sarcastically claims 11. Desiree rates herself 8 then walks it back to 'solid 3' on Scarlett Johansson scale. Extended debate on objectivity of beauty standards.

Desiree's DMs / pre-show confrontation meta-discussion

Brian reads Desiree's hostile pre-show DMs aloud ('I'm above answering your questions, just book me'). Panel reacts. Desiree explains she was 'on a mission' and didn't know who Brian was. Andrew reveals he recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest's body count. Danielle: 7. Desiree: ~50-100 (lost virginity at 13). Alex: 8-10. Emily: 5-10. Kwan: under 10. Andrew: 10-12 intercourse (more if counting oral). Discussion of whether body count matters.

Primary victim of war (men vs women)

Final debate: who is the primary victim of war — men or women? Ashley argues women/children left behind are primary victims due to domino effect. Andrew uses logical conditionals (preference for abandonment over death) to show men have it worse. Ashley eventually concedes men are primary victims under Andrew's logic.

Closing call to action / wrap-up

Brian asks Desiree and Danielle if they'd stop sex work. Desiree says no; Danielle says she'd wait until she has a husband. Final shoutouts, raid to esfandTV, Andrew's channel promotion.

Transcript

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Madisonyou're a scammer do you ever think about the potential DMG you did to your family when you go to sleep at night I do Andrew you have to be super insecure if

Desiree Noelyou need to control your lady submission ha okay should I answer that or respond or just a statement La paladins we'll get back to you in a sec goe so yeah I

Desiree Noeldo that's honestly my driving motivation in all of my life is to reflect on mistakes I've made and mistakes that were done to me and I try to go back to

Desiree Noelthe root instead of dealing with all these symptoms I'm I go back and back and back and back and back and figure out where it actually went wrong and then I am trying the best that I can like um you said we're not perfect

Desiree Noelpeople I make mistakes but I'm doing the best I can to fix those issues at the root cause and pray do my best to create a different

Madisonresult for my kids some if someone conservative can argue their views well they rarely need to become emotional or use ad hominin liberals revert to anger and personal attacks more often true co

Brian Atlasyeah yeah now going back to what L paladin says I believe this might have been directed at you it was talking about monogamy polygamy explain why I guess polygamy is better I think that's what he's getting at I thought it was

Desiree Noelthe oppos I thought it was the other way why is the yeah he's making the the scientific assersion like monogamy should be the one that should have to prove that it's

Andrew Wilsonbetter not polyamory it's opposite we have the script flipped in a lot of ways you're right you're right so let's see if we can't scientifically prove that it's better can you name a society which does not practice monogamy as it

Andrew Wilsonstandard that's better than the societies which do many tribal Nations don't practice go ahead name the society that is better mhm that does not

Desiree Noelpractice monogamy as a standard than the societies which do um I believe it's Switzerland they're not very monogamous over there monogam is the standard is

Desiree Noelpart of the UN the UN is outlawed polygamy okay just because something is outlawed doesn't mean in practice people aren't living that way and very happy with

Andrew Wilsonit standard many more people but again my question the standard of monogamy the standard this is the nation's standard

Andrew Wilsonokay can you name a society where the nation's standard is not monogamy that is doing better than the societies and where the nation standard is are you familiar with Esther

Andrew WilsonPearl Esther Pearl she's a she's a very well name the society for me I would say America is not doing well with monog erroneous erroneous what Society wait

Andrew Wilsonwait wait great this is perfect what Society can you point to that's doing better than the United uned states where the standard is not monogamy I'd love to

Brian Atlasknow did you know that the United States of America is number 25 in the world as far as maternal and his question you're not answering the

Desiree Noelshort answer is a lot of other countries are doing way better than we are wait hold on hold on hold on hold on hold on that doesn't make any sense listen even if I were to grant that there's more

Andrew Wilsoninfant mortality in the United States than other develop countries right which are still also practice monogamy as their standard by the way can you name a nation where

Andrew Wilsonmonogamy is not the standard which it most definitely is in the United States you can't have a pluralistic marriage in the United States it's quite illegal you go to prison for a long time can you

Andrew Wilsonname a nation anywhere on planet Earth where the society does better where the standard is not monogamy I would tell you that the

Desiree Noelstandard in the whole world the the law of monogamy is what we all see as a standard but it's not actually what's practiced in the day-to-day lives

Desiree Noelof the average person in America monogamy okay what do you think it is with all the cheating culture what do you think it is with the the the emotional best friend what do you think

Desiree Noelit is with the dating culture and the hookup rephrase Hy specific pluralistic marriage which is not monogamy PL istic I'm not talking about legal I'm talking

Andrew Wilsonstop stop let me ask the question so I can make it hyp specific so you can't evade it again and you name a nation where the standard is not monogamy monogamy being one man one woman married in holy matrimony that's the standard

Andrew Wilsonfor the nation can you name a pluralistic nation that does better than any of the Nations which have a standard for one man one woman in marriage can you what's the better what is the definition of better all the metrics are

Andrew Wilsonare better so we're talking about any of the metrics you I'm going to explain what they are I'm going to explain what they are calm down we're going to look at outcomes for human beings we're going to look at how well they're fed we're going to look at

Andrew Wilsonwhat their happiness indexes are we're going to look at basically everything across the board that you can think of housing standards we're going to think about economic Prosperity all of those

Desiree Noelthings give me one nation one we are fat we are sick we are on medications we are on a question can you answer my question I

Andrew Wilsonthink there's many many other societies I just told you Switzerland is doing a lot betterer the standard in Switzerland is one man one woman for

Andrew Wilsonmarriage the practice standard in Switzerland my personal friends who live there is not because clearly can't follow the arguments we'll do it this

Desiree Noelway you steal man my position can what can you just steal man my position that means can you give me my argument back agree I I'll say America is doing great

Desiree Noeland monogamy is awesome and we're all so happy let's do it you give me my argument back can you your argument back I don't have the same view or the same perspective you the same view I'm asking

Desiree Noelyou if you can just go ahead and repeat repeat to me the question I'm asking you can you just is there a is there a

TTS Readersociety in the world villy donated $200 not marriage is not about happiness but about growth growth is hard you see

TTS Readerrelationships through the lens of Hedonism constantly seeking pleasure like a child will stunt her spiritual growth amen that's that is assuming that

Desiree Noelyou are not going into each relationship to grow yourself if every relationship in your life you have the primary purpose of growing as a person you're not seeking pleasure yeah great great

Andrew Wilsonbefore we get get to that can you just tell me back to me what my question to you is say it again no my question to you is can you name a society anywhere

Andrew Wilsonon planet Earth which is pluralistic in their marriage practices which is better than the societies which have monogamy as the standard for marriage

Brian Atlasany I'm trying to give you my answer and you're not wanting to accept so you said Switzerland correct okay so hold on so let me ask you a question when you answered Switzerland you stated I have

Brian Atlassome friends who live in Switzerland and they are in polygamous polyamorous relationship I I'm telling you from a social science perspective I have many friends in Switzerland I do business

Desiree Noelwith them and they're telling me the culture what it actually is in practice that they're doing that works and it's not Mony your are your friends polygamist some of them are and some of them are not they're just simply

Brian Atlasreporting on the average hold on hold on hold on hold on so are you making the argument that more

Desiree Noelthan 51% of people in Switzerland it's it's a polygamous Society is that your position I'm not talking about legal I'm talking about people might be legally married to one person and they have

Brian Atlasother relationships with other people yes some might but I'm asking you if a majority of people in Switzerland are moving in that

Desiree Noelway to not being monogamous yes are you just not listening hello I'm just trying to Simply clarify because what is there to clarify you guys just want onp paper

Andrew Wilsonstatistics that do not represent what's actually going on in the actual relationship between people no I think I think we can make those extrapolations of what's going on based on how many people are in those polygamous

Andrew Wilsonrelationships versus are not but when we're asking about this so here's what I'll tell you in Switzerland it's illegal is illegal to marry multiple people so back to my question can you

Andrew Wilsonname a society which is better that practices as a matter of law that you can get married to multiple people as opposed to the society where it's a matter of law that you can only get

Desiree Noelmarried to one can you name one they're in any of the colonized societies the advanced societies they have all run with this propaganda that monogamy is

Desiree Noelthe way to go and so they've made that the legal standard just they've made that the legal standard is that what people practice so the answer is no you can't name one

Desiree Noelcorrect if you need to be right sure no no if you need to be right can you name one or not I have tried to communicate with you

Kwan Clarkin the way that resonates with me see men don't like that they don't like combative they don't like all this they don't men don't like this stop doing that just just no I'm happy with that I love that I watch

Desiree Noelyou're right you're right America is doing the best job all right Madison read this please hint for blondie no no no no hey Andrew what brand do you smoke Kiko the

Brian Atlasfinest fork in thecast Andrew that's for you uh yeah I smoke marble Reds all right I need to move on with my

Brian Atlasnotes here so oh God going to you Desiree you stated that you basically solved all of the world all of world problems simply by flipping the script of the patriarchy and going back to a

Brian Atlassystem where women do the choosing you are a savant a social scientist only fans model and a good old americanmade single mom of three trying to get your bills paid out here in a man's

Desiree Noelworld okay what do you mean flipping the script of the patriarchy okay so the easiest way to describe it is do you have daughters does anybody have do you have a daughter do you have a daughter Andrew has a daughter right so when your

Desiree Noeldaughter was born like many daughters okay it's perfect perfect I have two daughters myself when that baby girl is born sh you would die for her on the spot

Desiree Noellike that's your baby girl you're going to protect her you're going to serve her you're going to love her you're going to you want this anything you want can you arrive at the point okay so the point is

Desiree Noela woman was designed to be treated that way every second of her life just because she grows up but aren't there hold on they feel the same way with their sons what are you talking about

Andrew Wilsonyeah I have a son I feel like yeah aren't there what about % I really don't understand this if you as a father hold your baby son you have the same feeling what the hell are you talking about I

Desiree Noelunderstand that but there is there is an understanding that feminine Essence beings are very sensitive we need a little bit of extra coddling we need a little extra protection we're physically

Andrew Wilsonmore weak so what's the exchange for that what's the what what's the exchange if the exchange is that you're a little bit weaker and you need a little bit more coddling and you need a little bit more Society to kiss your ass hang on

Andrew Wilsonstop stop the exchange what's the exchange to men what do we get you get [ __ ] oh I see the only thing that you can offer us is the thing that you that

Andrew Wilsonwe also can offer back to you right which is Dick I guess I have toys I mean you guys aren't doing that well the thing is your whole value structure everything within your values revolves

Desiree Noelto I deserve to have my ass kissed because I have a vagina I make the babies you don't make the babies how did that how did we get the math wrong we don't need you I mean I'm not saying

Desiree Noelit's personal but we actually don't well who invent I'm sorry who invented the technology for you to be able to do that you need guess what we could have invented the technology could but you

Desiree Noeldidn't listen this is not this is not to say that men don't have their role it's simply to say we actually have the bodies that produce the babies and what

Desiree Noelare you going to do when there's artificial obviously of a higher what do you do when there's artificial WBS what what about artificial WS we shouldn't

Desiree Noelhave artificial WBS that is usurping the power of a woman and it's making us not the power of a woman so so then what do men get then

Desiree Noelfrom women what did men get then from women if we have artificial wombs and we no longer need your womb you don't want wom what you guys would all kill yourselves within 3 days of not having

Desiree Noelwomen here the only reason you are here is to impress us to protect us to [ __ ] us right to get our adoration to have us feel like we're worshiping you and we're sucking your dicks I mean there's an

Andrew Wilsonenergy exchange here that works super weird there was a great episode that happened I I believe it was Survivor where men and women were divided up into grp groups and the men were sent to an

Andrew Wilsonisland to survive and the women were sent to an island to survive now interestingly enough the men lasted a lot longer than 3 days without the women in fact they were thriving they were killing everything that hang on stop

Andrew Wilsonthey were killing everything that they could possibly find they were eating like kings they rediscovered fire with nothing but their own minds while the women were freezing to death they literally gave up within just a couple

Andrew Wilsonof days and begged the men to go to their campfire but we wouldn't last 3 days without women is that right I'm simply saying if you guys literally knew

Desiree Noelthat every woman dropped dead and she was not there you're talking about a simulation where they know at the end of this they're going to go home to their girlfriend they're going to go home to

Desiree Noeltheir mom their aunt their daughter and the women are still there I'm saying if all the women were just dropped dead yeah what are you guys going to do that would be the same problem you would have

Andrew Wilsonin reverse without the infrastructure built by Men actually do need all you do I listen to everything you say but then when I try to respond you cut right in so just

Andrew Wilsonhang tight let me get my point in too if the situation was reversed if men were gone who would maintain the infrastructure go ahead and lie to me and say

Desiree Noelwomen don't get me wrong I am not saying that each man is just null and void I'm simply saying that women need to have an extra layer of reverence and protection

Andrew Wilsonand respect from them erone that we don't get erone we don't in exchange what do men get men get our presents right that's it you have nothing so what

Andrew Wilsonyou're saying to me here's here's here's what we're doing to to go around and around and around you say women deserve these extra privileges

Andrew Wilsonfrom men okay that's fair but when I ask what are women giving him they just me it's like well now you understand why relation what a woman offers I don't know why it's impossible for you to let

Andrew Wilsonme finish a sentence but now so what you're saying is is that the only thing you bring to the table is your vagina and so all the hang on all a man ever has to do is reject your vagina because

Desiree Noelit's a literally the only thing of value you have no I said it's the most valuable thing we have we have lots of other points of value that's just the most hence why many women choose to be

Desiree Noelcelibate they choose to wait for their husbands because we inherently know this is our most prized possession is our body reason that's not but I'm just simply saying it's a lot of for a lot of

Desiree Noelus it's because this is my sacred vessel you're not entering this until we're at a certain point you have proven yourself to me I know you're going to be a good father Etc a woman doesn't get to

Brian Atlasenvelop her [ __ ] around my dick until you've done XYZ and but you I'm giving you the gift of allowing you to envelop my penis what

Andrew Wilsonwhat's really amazing here and good that is how I feel to be honest I love being I love you actually demonstrated for us that that the best way for men to remove your power over them is for them to just

TTS Readernot be interested in your vagina yeah and that's fine I that's it obviously that's the only thing what else do you bring to the table Bes $200 artificial wombs are usiing the

TTS Readerpower of a woman yet she just said she has toys and us men aren't doing so well use uping the power of men in helping you create the child that a double standard totally totally a double Cal

Brian Atlasdefinitely double right and we're all doing the best we can G one is coming can I say something one sec I'm just preempting grid one is coming in here with his own TTS thank you Kil

TTS Readerappreciate it grid One Motorsports donated $200 thank you I am the patriarchy and you know nothing of my work. feminism has failed you all especially the mouthy wench throw off

Brian Atlasthose chains and return to the patriarchy submit and realize her true potential all right thank you grid one appreciate it oh hold on now we have now

Brian Atlaswe have Nickelodeon coming on thank you good one I appreciate it man very good to see you in the chat I hope you're doing well hope the flying's been going onon donated

TTS Reader$200 blonde do you actually feel overpowering love for your daughter or do you see her as a sexual competitor my guess is the fake tits and Earth came after she started to get more male

Desiree Noelattention than you do you want to respond to that I'm trying to clarify what to actually answer I mean okay my daughters are six

Desiree Noeland nine I don't I'm not sure if that's appropriate uh Gary says MADD could you read it Brian needs a gavel to slam that or a powered

Danielle (D)wig order in the cour real actually that would be nice take it back take the power back that's exactly what why haven't you pulled that out ear you you may be you

Brian Atlasmay be the judge here but but I would like to finish this exchange if we can when you get a when you get a chance all right uh I do have the gavl here at the table uh what let me just get one chat in and then Maddie read this and then

Madisonwe'll have Andrew give his take can't even simply understand that your small Social Circles situations don't equate to society or a country as a whole is absolutely ignorant obviously there are

Brian Atlasoutliers just as criminals are a small outlier among Society thank you for your presence yo John Green thank you very much appreciate it by the way just I I've never done this during a show reminder if any girls want to be on the

Brian Atlasshow and be and be uh what was the term you use degraded if any girls want to come get roasted and degraded and judged and shamed it's fun instagram.com

Andrew Wilsonwhatever we can hook you up okay thank you uh go ahead Andrew it's F yeah so just to just to kind of tie this exchange off uh which I've enjoyed by the way I don't I don't I never have any ill will uh towards any the people I

Andrew Wilsonhave exchanges with I just enjoy the exchange itself um I just I just want to clarify that you think that the only

Andrew Wilsonvalue that women bring to the table is their vagina now hang on hang on if that hang on hang on let me finish a question if that's not true then what other value

Desiree Noelare you bringing to the table Soul a good cooked meal I mean a clean house raising kids figuring out social issues to try to find solutions

Andrew Wilsonto things I mean I'm masterminding with men are better at all those things okay well then those men don't need to come to me because they have it figured out with each other so so for men who can cook their own food which is

Desiree Noeleasy as [ __ ] a cheerleader somebody give you AOW job when you're having a bad day I mean come on it's it's simple women's work is

Andrew Wilsonvery incredibly valuable and it com in what regard other than your vagina what are you bringing to the table I keep on asking you this you're like well cooking

Andrew Wilsonand clean been tell there's there's a hang on I'm almost done cooking cleaning all of this these are all things that men can do for themselves I'm almost

Andrew Wilsondone I'm almost done if they are things that men can do for themselves well can you name something you're uniquely going to bring to the table a man can't do for themselves other than your vagina I can

Andrew Wilsonhave a baby for him he can't have a baby for himself I mean I guess he could use an artificial womb so then if there's an if there's go that way I just think we have a human

Danielle (D)design that works a certain way ahead Andrew so if there's an artificial womb there's no there's nothing then you could be his number one fan list him up when he's down amen sis I mean if you

Andrew Wilsonwant to go with that that you guys don't need women fine how have fun I do have to move things along here I do have to move things along unless you have I think it's incredible that ultimately the only thing you think you bring to

Andrew Wilsonthe table is a uterus and the thing is so so I think that my position I think that the Christian position is actually far better you know it's really funny

Andrew Wilsonofin you want to hear the answer right the thing is I trash feminists more than anybody on planet Earth I mean I'm probably one of the best at it but the thing that's interesting is that I

Andrew Wilsonbelieve that women have an actual ontology and in nature and that they have value Beyond just that of their vagina and giving you the baby I think

Andrew Wilsonthat they actually have yeah stop lady stop just calm down and listen if you listen right then you'll be able to to craft way better responses so the thing is is that there's an ontological nature

Andrew Wilsonof PE of men and women there's a nature to them and I think that the nature of women in and of itself is valuable not just because they have a I think women are valuable without a uterus I think

Andrew Wilsonwomen are valuable even if they're not sleeping exactly what I said I called it f even if they're not sleeping can't help yourself you just can't help it even if they're not sleeping with tons of men say but yet if you say it you're

Brian Atlasright and if I say it in my way I'm wrong it's the exact same thing say [ __ ] but you got to stop interrupting you can agree disagree but you got to let him finish he lets you speak prom I'll let you finish I promise I'll let you finish but I'm saying if there's an underlying

Andrew Wilsonontology to both and I think women without a uterus can still be highly valuable to society and I think that women who don't sleep with men can be highly valuable to society I don't see

Andrew Wilsonthese as the ontology basis for the only reason that women are valuable And yet when I ask you what makes you valuable to a man the only two things that you can give me are those and so absent those things you're saying that other

Desiree Noelwomen can't really be that's not what I'm saying I said the feminine essence you whatever however you worded it I'm saying femininity in and of

Desiree Noelitself which women embody whether we're reproducing reproducing or we're not when I say [ __ ] I'm saying the the the

Andrew Wilsongenerated energetic state from that part of us the feminine Essence our feminine energy it's very I don't think that femininity is tied up with promiscuity I

Andrew Wilsonnever said that that's Insanity I never said it was then why are you only referencing your vagina as being feminine I'm simply saying that is the physical

Desiree Noelembodiment that represents the highest level the highest expression now motherhood is my okay but that's how I became a mother through my vagina and I

Andrew Wilsonbecame impregnated by a penis getting inserted into my vagina and then sperm coming out and then it mixing with my egg okay well that be a mother even if you don't bear the

Desiree Noelchild you could still be a mother just you have your feminine Essence right you're nurturing you're loving you're caring you still be mother said though

Desiree Noelyeah well then I I'm sorry if ipoke I'm sorry if I misspoke I was referring to the feminine Essence the feminine nature what is that that is our tendency to

Desiree Noelnurture our tendency to be able to make sacrifices our tendency to submit to a man when it the things that you won't do yeah I submit when the man I I no you've

Desiree Noelbeen saying the opposite this entire I opposite the whole time I submit to the men who earn that position in my life oh

Brian Atlassubmission is earned it is I submit to God first and then as men Step Up Wait wait wait wait stop stop stop stop stop you submit to God correct correct aren't

Brian Atlasdon't you do porn yeah you have only you have an only fans I do sex so wait how do you no no no but you have an only fans right where you post you know God created sex right marriage but it says

Brian Atlaswho God but what's a marriage you're talking about the in St guys guys guys please let me have a [ __ ] back and forth here okay so do you think God wants you to do only fans yeah it's a

Desiree NoelMinistry I'm actually teaching men how to please women I have squirting tutorials I have eating [ __ ] tutorials I have um [ __ ] tutorials want your daughters doing that honestly

Desiree Noelno you would not I will teach my you would not want your daughters to do that and then expect to find a good man that's you know how hard it is to not have proper sex education and then just go out you're going toach daugh that

Desiree Noelit's okay to squirt on that's disgusting that I'm sorry that you have shame attached to your sexuality I men love a woman who squirts they feel baptized by that it's like a lifechanging experience I just want to make sure I just want to

Andrew Wilsonmake sure I got this clear Jesus Christ came and died for your sins so that you could teach women how to suck dick better that's iszy do you know what sin means can you answer my question Jesus

Desiree NoelChrist didn't need to die for my sins I'm not a sinner oh my gosh you are demonic so so so wait a second so um so what did Jesus Christ die for you need

Desiree Noelto be healed sin means you turn away from yourself you're turning away from the best thing for you that's what sin means you miss the mark you well that's

Desiree Noelfine to disagree sin is turning away from the things which are the best for you no no sin is turning away from the things that are not your truth would you actually

Desiree Noelshow your parents something like that like my parents know what I do there's no way I'm very public you can go on my Instagram I'm very public I wrote books

Andrew WilsonI dedicated my books to my parents so then tell me my whole life in there I don't have secrets if your if your truth was to be a serial killer

Andrew Wilsonthat was your truth let me finish the question if that was your truth to be a serial killer Your Truth why is it that turning away

Desiree Noelfrom that nature wouldn't be sinful by that logic can you explain that to me that's facts you have if you have to go to the most extreme example of society literally a trauma response you're not getting what I'm saying all you're all

Andrew Wilsonyou're all you're doing is opting answer the question say the question again okay yeah listen to it this time so if it was your truth to be a serial killer you would by your logic turning away from that truth would

Desiree Noelbe sinful do you understand that no I believe the serial killer example if we must go with that that is now hurting other people my sex life truth my sex

Desiree Noellife is not hurting anybody hting so now we're on I thought it was about your truth a second ago it's not about your truth yeah I'm getting confused that what I didn't know that this was going to be a religious podcast my sexuality

Desiree Noelyou got God you said you were submitted to God I am my God is not the god the Bible it's not the god that you serve you're using biblical terms it doesn't matter what terms I use we can say

Ashley Paolasomething else we can call it Source energy does that work better for you you literally do like mental gymnastics you don't even know what's your reality cuz you have no Foundation you're just picking and choosing things

Ashley Paolafrom everywhere and trying to make it I have books you can read my books my Foundation because you don't even know me is forever moving there is no solid

Desiree Noelfoundation you stand for nothing because I'm an Ever evolving being our DNA is a spiral that's evolving we're always going to be you grow you can mature but you're going the opposite way I'm not

Desiree Noelgoing the I was the celibate good Christian girl I did all this [ __ ] that you're doing now I did that when I was 18 to 33 I spent 15 years doing this

Ashley Paolawhole girl [ __ ] but you can do things but were you truly born again did you have the Holy Spirit I so [ __ ] devoted if you would read my book okay let me let me finish if you were truly born again you wouldn't be looking at me

Ashley Paolawith those eyes first of all you would have the Holy Spirit in you and you would be maturing I'm a demon exercer you would be transitioning and and going and moving towards a direction that

TTS Readerwhere it's really that's your perspective I did I did it the different way $ Romans 1 therefore God also gave them up to vile impurity in the lusts of

TTS Readertheir hearts to dishonor their bodies among themselves who exchang the truth of God for the lie yeah cool literally thank you yo chrisis Lord thank you okay I'm going to ask uh I we have so many notes that we have to go through but I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to continue going through your notes there's probably going to be a lot more back and forth further from that I I did uh you know do a little bit of a a dive into your Instagram a little bit I didn't catch your stories until

TTS Readeryesterday Min us200 donated $200 red one you rock chat loves you can you do me a favor and punch that blonde

TTS Readernext to you maybe she will sober up is Wayne Brady going to have the choka [ __ ] here get it oh wow

Desiree Noelokay oh pinky there we go my go that's okay we'll make up after don't make in

Danielle (D)my I'm a kinky [ __ ] I know you got some kink in you you got some kink in you oh definitely

Brian Atlaskinky all right so guys guys let me okay focus order Order in the Court Order in the Court I got a gavl I told you I like

Brian AtlasBrian got a gav boys okay all right uh so I was looking at your Instagram I saw stories you post 30 stories a day I only tuned in yesterday I the the amount of

Brian Atlascontent you push out is a lot um so you said there was uh you went on a $2,000 $112,000 Utah trip was

Desiree Noelthat recently it was a $133,000 Utah trip it was yeah it was like in April it was April 20th now you said that you you are you divorced or currently going through a

Desiree Noeldivorce do you want the whole long story or like an answer to divorced from the legal marriage and then and then I left the non-legal marriage Arrangement and so when was this Utah trip it was in

Brian AtlasApril and you were there to meet Donald Trump Jr or something I was there to go to what I thought was a networking event with a lot of the leaders of there was a ludicrous concert instead and there was Donald Trump it's okay we don't need to get into the details but you couldn't go

Desiree Noelbecause there was a car accident but how would you know if you couldn't go that it was a a lud ludic concert okay it was at one of these rich people's houses that's like on this big hill and driving

Desiree Noelup to the concert I I thought that it was this way it was a little car accident okay point being is but you never you didn't even go to the

Desiree Noelevent I got driven up by the homeowners where the car crashed down here they knew the party and they were like let's get you up to the party okay so you did go to the party but I but I didn't get to stay because the police called me

Desiree Noelback down because of the car situation okay so then I just heard that it was ludicrous and I saw it on the social media afterwards I didn't even I saw him the helicopter come in and fly out I

Brian Atlasdidn't know who it was okay so $113,000 Utah trip now in the Instagram story that I saw uh you spent your hus you used your husband's business C no it was

Desiree Noelmy business card he came and beat me because he somehow not even my husband we never were legally married I had left

Desiree Noelhim 6 months before that just it was not his he was opening up credit crit cards under my company and racking it up partying is it was it your like it's my

Desiree Noelescort it wasn't we no it's my escort when I have an escort because we were together I put him on my as the vice president of my escorp it's just a

Brian Atlastechnicality because we were together so it was completely my business that we set up that I set up for my books when I wrote my books understood so you mentioned the biggest

Brian Atlasissue actually well we'll start there you said the biggest issue is that we live in the patriarchy with the toxic masculinity uh just so I know that we're

Brian Atlastalking about the same thing could you define for me patriarchy and Define for me toxic masculinity I want to make sure we're talking about the same thing go ahead I would say the

Brian Atlaspatriarchy and the toxic part is the valuing hold on just one at a time so patriarchy you use patriarchy alone okay and then you use toxic masculinity alone okay I just want to make sure that we're

Desiree Noeltalking about the same thing can you define both so the patriarchy to me is the valuing of men over women I have no problem with male leadership I love it I totally agree with it I even agree in

Desiree Noelthe churches it's better and in general it's better for the men to be the ones who are out there speaking to men because they just we have different definitions of patriarchy okay well I'm just saying that's my you ask what my

Desiree Noelidea of it was and then what about toxic masculinity and then the toxic masculin it are these guys who basically they Market themselves one way right they tell you I'm fine with this

Desiree Noeltraditional stuff let's have sex that was never who he was that's the toxic part there's not there's they're not marketing themselves correctly so a woman can't even make an informed

Brian Atlasdecision because she's being lied to from the gate on the first date because he's in marketing mode he's trying to do whatever he's trying masculinity though when you say marketing what do you could

Desiree Noelyou give some examples yeah I mean you're trying to sell yourself to a person do you wear makeup I wear a little makeup but I often don't do you have breast implants I but everybody knows I have breast implants okay we don't you don't need to no but I'm

Desiree Noelsaying I'm not saying that you can't put on your best face but obviously if so you're saying men are lying is that the complaint and I'm just saying that's the toxic part you asked me what was toxic masculinity I would say it's toxic

Desiree Noelfemininity too is US lying and pretending catfishing you know catfishing no I'm talking about catfishing the thing mostly women do what most and I would

Desiree Noeleven say do it too right but I would even say that that's a woman being actually masculine that's her competitive nature femininity is not actually competitive it's not like that

Ashley Paolait's very flowy it's very like we're friends it's the masculinity that women are taking on and competive you really so okay what you do in dating you don't think that is no because I'm 100%

Desiree Noeltransparent I'm 100% real I'm not lying about anything now I might meet him after the gym I'm wearing no makeup this is done up because they said get done

Desiree Noelup super trans and I have a little job yeah I breastfed for 9 years I had nothing left I got a little something done like who cares I get it but it's super weird that you say that there's no competitive nature which you have

Andrew Wilsonhaven't you written books don't you compete with other people I'm not I you hang on let me finish please don't you have businesses and aren't you competing in business aren't you taking on these very masculine roles which you now are

Andrew Wilsonclaiming that you let me finish okay just so that so that you understand the reason I ask you to let me finish I don't mind the spirited back and forth exchange when you're talking in your mic

Andrew Wilsonwhile I'm talking because of the nature of the the call I can't hear you that's why I ask you actually to stop because I can't actually hear what you're saying so um isn't it so that taking on these

Desiree Noelsame masculine roles which you right now are raging about yeah I really was and that is something that I only recently discovered was a flaw in myself and that's why I wasn't really getting

Desiree Noelanywhere in in the business world because I was I was running with this masculine energy this competition this the way that men do it and that is

Desiree Noelactually I felt convicted and that's why I switch back into making my money the way that I do I am am a consultant as a

Desiree Noelbusiness as a as I I switched over to a feminine energy model which is not which was what you you basically sell your body for money for example no that's not

Desiree Noeltrue for example let's say I was a life coach okay let's say I was a life coach let's say you were a life coach typically in the man's world in business

Desiree Noelthere's a set price right so coaching with me used to cost $2,000 for 3 months I take you through this thing and it was just cut and dry didn't matter who you were as long as

Desiree Noelyou were willing to pay the price you could enter my coaching container and I would life coach you what I found is that was not good for me as a woman because I had all these guys who weren't

Desiree Noelserious about life coaching and working through issues they just wanted my energy they wanted to hop on a zoom call with me and take my time as if they were going to be with me but working in the

Danielle (D)foot fetish place I have guys come in all all the time and they want to talk about they go to therapy with their wife and they go to therapy alone but then they have the same therapy therapist to ask their wife so they sit with me

Danielle (D)because I have no skin in the game and I have nothing to do with their lives and they sit there and they talk to me and they're almost crying and they're like I don't know who to talk to like I have

Desiree Noelall these emotions and that is actually my Ministry for the most part in my only fans chat stop saying Ministry your only fans min Ministry no I'm telling you men

Desiree Noelare not as good at accessing their emotions men access their emotions and feel safe in a sexual context when you do it right it wasn't very

Desiree Noelsexual feel comfortable with you because they understand you're not judging them you're in a taboo space too so they open up men open up hang on men are large much larger than women and stronger than

Andrew Wilsonwomen on average you agree that that's true yes true just on average not not every obviously there's outliers of women who are much stronger than men this type of thing but on average they

Andrew Wilsonare so they actually have to control their emotions better they can't be overly emotional they have to control their emotions because if they become got to let me you have to let me finish

Andrew Wilsonhang on because if they succumb to their emotions they can do a lot of damage not just the weaker sex but to the children they're supposed to protect and also to other men right to other men they can do

Andrew Wilsona lot of damage women don't have this same burden So when you say they're not as emotional I think that they're perhaps as emotional but hang on I think that they control that emotion far

Andrew Wilsonbetter than women do and what I've seen from you even is that you have seem to have a hard time controlling your emotions I'm feisty yes and what and to your point not feisty trouble

Desiree Noelcontrolling emotions not feistiness I get it we can call it whatever you want you can fix her Andrew yeah you can fix me but Andrew to your point no I can't F

Desiree Noelyou but to your point Andrew what a lot of men are accidentally doing is instead of controlling their emotion and then having somebody to talk it through going

Andrew Wilsonto the gym they're repressing it so it's like not repression so what what you're talking about is actually a feminist Viewpoint right it's not repression for

Andrew Wilsonmen or is a toxic masculinity for men to control emotion from a woman's standpoint when they can't control their emot everything is going to look like repression but when you see men explode

Andrew Wilsonthat's not a good look for men when you see men when women explode nobody gives a [ __ ] they kind of laugh at them right because they can't do very much damage we just kind of scoff at them we're like what are you going to do about it right

Andrew Wilsonmen on the other hand must control emotion they must men have become scared hang on they must move towards stoicism and the reason they must move towards some form of stoicism is because they're

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] dangerous they're dangerous to everyone around them if they cannot control their emotions thing is is that we've given a pass to women and tried to give this kind of example that women don't have to control their emotions

Andrew Wilsonthat it's good to free them but it's not maybe women should also control their [ __ ] emotions a little bit and not make everything about them everything about me everything internalized to me

Andrew Wilsonme me me me me me me me me me me me but rather to look at things a little bit more logically and so as we've gone through even your worldview logic ially you realize there's a ton of holes here right there's a ton of holes in the

Desiree Noellogic that you have you recognize this right well I think to be honest with you if for example we got to for whatever reason spend a week together let's say we got

TTS Readerto spend a week $200 this panel is an exhibition of the absence of real men if a real man showed up for these women they would snap out

Desiree Noelof the delusion and confusion and fall into their feminine feminism equals true I totally agree M I totally agree you can't totally agree is the opposition to this it

Desiree Noeldoesn't what I'm telling you is there are actually so few healthy mature good men out there not that's not

Desiree Noeltrue and I'm not blaming anybody it sucks you are a good man I believe you're a good man and I believe you're a good catch you're going to catch 22 logically because if the thing is is

Andrew Wilsonthat you want that type of man what you would maybe broadly consider a high value man from your worldview the only thing that you can produce for him is

Andrew Wilsonyour [ __ ] by your own admission and so if every other woman you're competing with has the same thing to offer him why

Desiree Noelthe [ __ ] would he choose you can you explain that because my [ __ ] is a completely different experience it has my soul attached to it it's the best [ __ ] out of all the hundreds of

Desiree NoelMillions billions of [ __ ] I'm not saying it's the best I'm simply saying to particular men I am their

Alexexact taste she was the mouth That Got Away crazy what was that so I think the whole point is that there's everybody

Alexfor there's somebody for everybody there's a lid for every pot there's somebody for everybody with different tastes different Logics

Alexdifferent different solutions or problems and how to deal with them different viewpoints and it's all about trying to find your match and the person that you're the most compatible with and

Alexthe person that you actually trust and are willing to work with long term and that's F

Ashley PaolaKnows by the logic of feminism that you're talking about it's like it's it's Mass deception like you're saying feminism is saying that women are so empowered and we get got to get our

Desiree Noelpower back and this and this and that but but is just a branch of the patriarchy it's toxic it's just toxic masculinity repackaged that's all it

Andrew Wilsonis to you apparently who disagrees with you any man who you think packages himself in a way that you don't like you consider that toxic masculinity by your own admission mhm I'm necessarily making

Ashley Paolathat judgment I just know I have my particular taste okay so I when I went to college I literally took a class where I had to sit down and watch documentaries on toxic mascul masculinity like it was actually taught

Ashley Paolato us that is the epitome of brainwashing because before that I didn't I didn't feel that men were toxic I didn't feel like I one mot Sports donated

TTS Reader$200 ran Andrew I am begging you with tears in my eyes please stop the old irrelevant blonde hag pattle and let the rest of the panel that have dated in

Andrew Wilsonthis decade speak thank you in advance well well hang on but they're engaging very well all of them are engaging very well this has been a really respectful panel and the truth is

Andrew Wilsongrid one you would be bitching if it was the other direction and there wasn't these kinds of exchanges and you know it you know you're my friend but everybody's engaging in good faith so grid one we're while while you're right

Andrew Wilsonand the patriarchy prevails shut the [ __ ] they are engaging in good faith did the one from optimize ATX come

TTS Readerthrough this one I'll pull it up it might have did this come ATX donated $200 this panel is an exhibition of the absence of real men this that already came through okay just wanted to double

Brian Atlascheck I loved that comment by the way that uh I do I'm going to move things a little on and least in our notes with you um so you've made a bunch of these

Brian AtlasInstagram videos you you in your story yesterday you talk of extorting men do you care to elaborate on that yes so all

Desiree Noelbasically all the tactics that are used in sales and marketing these days the way that that was even developed is because that was originally the feminine

Desiree Noelgifting that was how we were designed to make sure we got our needs met from men we would do these if we had to if it came down to survival of us and our

Desiree Noelchildren we learned how to be a little manipulative how to exort somebody to get a loaf of bread to feed our babies or things like that that's your simple nature being just like we have that I

Desiree Noelwould just I wouldn't call it sinful I would call it survival I mean we are weaker we're weaker we have the babies we get abandoned sometimes or the man dies and we're on our own and we're just

TTS/Backgroundleft to our own devices we've had to become what does the Bible say it's um a shrew as what you see how far the termites have spread I'm basically

Desiree Noelthinking of the concept of innocent as dubs but sh as a fake but innocent as a dub yes and that's honestly I what I can understand is that not everybody's had my experience aside from

Desiree Noelthe justifications for the extortion can you tell us precisely how you extort men that was just one example okay so I had

Desiree Noelthis boyfriend for six months wealthy business guy I didn't I don't do these things where I have guys take me on dates and all this if it's a man I Vibe with and I enjoy his company we just I

Desiree Noeljust go to his house or he comes to my house we eat a burrito yeah that's not what you were saying in the beginning at all you got your burrito you you guys took some lines I said and you took it way out of context

Andrew Wilsonyou said that you consider yourself a prostitute how could they possibly misconstrue that I said the energy exchange of tit is that that of a

Desiree Noelprostitute how could they miscon how did they get that wrong because the word prostitute connotes a

Desiree Noelwoman on the corner who is so desperate she will [ __ ] anybody for money you're literally you said you were you said you

Desiree Noelwere that thing you said I am a pro your exact words I understand am just like a prostitute as far as energy goes because I love to bring up these things and help people to understand how constrictive

Andrew Wilsonthey're being with their particular language they could be prostitutes like you describe yourself as their life would get better okay let me put it to you this way this wealthy businessman

Desiree Noelthat I extorted okay I could have been requiring him to date me to be taking me to nice dinners to take me on trips I could have required that I could have said this is

Desiree Noelthe stuff I like to do blah blah I'm not about that so instead I would go to his house to be honest if can I finish I would go to his house we would have like

Desiree Noelfree dates he got to sleep with me he got to enjoy my company for 6 months I needed to move out he co-signed for my apartment and in so doing was like I got

Andrew Wilsonyou I got you you need something and you it was an exchange for your vagina you're sleeping with him right it was more of a friendship thing because we had are you sleeping with him

Andrew Wilsonnot anymore well yeah but you were I was up until my life transition I moved out he for me and there was monetary exchange that's called what what is that called I got my own

Desiree Noelapartment I did it myself with my own money he simply co-signed because there's these you know as friend okay can I just ask the Pan question the whole panel real quick real quick hang

Andrew Wilsonon raise your hand if sleeping with a man so that he pays your bills you consider that to be prostitution please raise your hand I thought it wasn't sis

Backgroundwell then we're done that's the end of it I am simply that's the end of it that's the it that's it I am simply saying he simply saying even there's

Desiree Noeltons of wives out here prostituting themselves out to their husbands who they don't love they don't love them they're not even probably sleeping with them yet the bills are getting paid and

Andrew Wilsonthey stay with the man I have tons of friends you're saying hang on hang on listen to the way you have to qualify this in order to make yourself look better I don't give a [ __ ] yes I'm out

Andrew Wilsonthe corner relationships where a woman stays because she has no choice she's prostituting herself to her husband now let me ask you the counter to this if a

Andrew Wilsonwoman is with her man and she loves him and he's taking care of all of her bills and she in exchange is staying at home taking care of his children and when he gets home he has a hot meal kiss on the

Desiree Noelcheek and she just Ador him is she a hooker no no that's a different energy exchange that's not a that's you are a what I'm a what you are a what by that L

Desiree Noelokay so I'll explain it this way right now in my life whether we call it I'm in a dating phase a non- monogamous phase or a prostitution phase until I meet the

Desiree Noelman who there is that love where it's not Tit for Tat it's just I meet your needs cuz I love you and you meet my needs because you love me that's it so

Andrew Wilsonlet me ask you a question do you think that um a woman who is not a prostitute who High virtue has more of chance of meeting a man who would fulfill all of

Desiree Noelthose needs that she wanted versus a woman who is a prostitute not necessarily come on girl you know you're lying right now you freaking lying I'm just simply telling you my definition of

Andrew Wilsonpro what than yours it doesn't matter what your defition app and oranges then we can't have the conversation why not why can't you have the conversation sounds like you're offis skating and running away from it

Desiree Noeldo you think it's more likely or less have a different defition of can only be one answer to this because of the law logic I literally speak to

Kwan Clarkmen all day every day I know exactly what I was going to say was they're literally coming from a male's perspective telling us what men look for what they like what they don't like and then you're saying well but I do this and it's fine if they say they don't like that you're not going to find a

Andrew Wilsongood man I'm sorry these are not my type of guys they're not the only men that think wa wa hang on per I I'll put it to you this way

Desiree Noelobviously we already establish wait a second you said that Brian was your type of guy earlier the switch up I'm telling you I would I would enjoy getting to know Brian we might have some sort of a

Andrew Wilsondynamic going obviously he's not going to pick me for his wife and let me ask you a question how much would that cost himg hang on how much would it cost him to get to know you oh to be honest I

Desiree Noelwould hang out with him after because I have appreciated his communication skills his ability to work through conflict I have appreciated that's an

Andrew Wilsonendorsement I have enjoyed the how much would it cost him to hang out with you it would be free because we already went through the cost exchange answer would

Andrew WilsonI yeah Brian would you no did you charge of course not of course he wouldn't no list I I can even speak for Brian on

Andrew Wilsonthis no God please no it's not always a money value sometimes there's no way there's not enough gold in the world there's not enough tea in China there's

Andrew Wilsonnot enough countries you could give there's not enough Coconuts on the island there is no possible way Brian

Ashley Paolawould ever think twice just say just say yeah well Brian tell me I'm wrong Brian go ahead no amount of money would make it

Brian Atlasto where you open to what open to what her legs I mean I want to be polite I want to be

Brian Atlaspolite but I mean be honest uh uh

Brian Atlasyeah I want to go home uh like so my thing is is that a lot of guys will make exceptions they'll be like well I wouldn't marry her but I wouldn't sleep with her the thing for me

Brian Atlasthough is is I'm not interested in a one night stand so I don't and I'm not saying this to me me I don't know why Andrew's putting me on the spot here you're putting me on the spot I wouldn't even want to sleep with

Ashley Paolayou once I'm not the one night stand type either unless your rent's getting paid that's but yeah you started this whole conversation saying everything was trans like transaction it's okay A lot

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