The Most INSANE Show Ever?! FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! 2+24?! She EXTORTS Men?! | Dating Talk #169

Date: 2024-06-12

Duration: 8h 46m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDesiree Noel >

AAshley Paola >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Kwan Clark(guest)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Alex(guest)

SPEAKER_09Desiree Noel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Jessica(guest)

SPEAKER_12Danielle (D)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Ashley Paola(guest)

SPEAKER_14Emily(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDesiree explains transactional dating: sets price for male access to her time based on their 'vibe'; example of charging rent (~$2700) for a date/night

“if I know that's what he's coming at me with I set the price for judging on his character where he's at in life his Vibe”

QuoteAlex discloses she is in a committed relationship with a 53-year-old man who has a terminal pancreatic illness; they met when he noticed her walking with a cane at a movie theater

“he has a terminal illness so terminal is it cancer or no it's a pancreas thing so he doesn't have too long to live”

QuoteDesiree admits it's the same energy exchange as prostitution: 'we call it whatever you want... it doesn't matter'

“it's honestly not it's the same type of energy exchange we call it whatever you want I have no taboo about it”

QuoteBrian mocks Terence Howard quotes about Flower of Life and wave conjugations, feeding them to Desiree who partially agrees with the pseudoscience

“he was able to open up the Flower of Life properly and find the real wave conjugations”

ControversyAndrew challenges panelists on their self-ratings: claims none are 8s, compares them to Scarlett Johansson in her prime as benchmark for 8.

“not even one who's an eight”

QuoteDesiree's hostile pre-show DMs read aloud: 'I'm above needing to answer your certain questions, just book me on your fucking show'

“I am above needing to answer your certain questions just book me on your fucking show and let's go”

ControversyAndrew reveals he secretly recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian and that Brian 'didn't know who he was fucking with'

“you said behind the scenes that you wanted Revenge that you wanted to get some guys and that Brian didn't know who he was fucking with”

QuoteDesiree discloses children's photos and explicit OnlyFans content are on same Instagram account; defends it as no shame around sexuality

“I don't believe that human sexuality is anything wrong in my book there's nothing wrong with it I celebrate sex”

ControversyAndrew uses logical conditionals to force Ashley to concede men are primary victims of war; Ashley reluctantly agrees.

“it would stand to reason then that men were the primary victims of war is that the argument Brian”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions (name/age/location/occupation)

Each guest introduces themselves. Danielle (D) CEO foot fetish business NJ/NYC; Desiree Noel sex coach SoCal 38; Alex multimedia artist 26 Russian-born; Emily 18 Pahrump NV unemployed; Ashley Paola 29 IE medical sales; Jessica 25 Hawthorne student/mom; Kwan Clark 30 San Diego waitress; Andrew Wilson The Crucible host.

Relationship status round

Each guest shares current relationship status and longest relationship. Desiree explains transactional dating philosophy at length. Alex discusses age-gap relationship with terminally ill 53-year-old partner. Emily is 3 weeks into new relationship. Ashley in talking stage with 43yo man.

Desiree's transactional dating/sex work model

Extended debate over Desiree charging men for her time/company (rent = ~$2700 SoCal). Discussion of whether this constitutes prostitution. Desiree insists it is legitimate business/energy exchange. Panel challenges her on tax implications, ethics, and consistency.

Polyamory vs monogamy debate

Alex and Desiree defend non-monogamous structures. Andrew Wilson argues for monogamy as healthy norm. Extended debate on jealousy as healthy vs. toxic, value of commitment, and what 'going with the flow' means.

Vibration/frequencies/New Age philosophy debate

Desiree explains 'low vibration' men, quantum physics as applied to dating, epigenetics as 'vibrational transfer'. Andrew challenges scientific validity. Brian invokes Terence Howard quotes. Discussion of Anunnaki, gravity as effect vs. force.

Women's laws / society / religion debate

Panel discusses why major societies have historically restricted women's behavior. Ashley gives Biblical perspective (male leadership/God-ordained structure). Andrew uses 'wait till your father gets home' example for male ontological authority.

Prostitution is it good or bad

Andrew poses law of excluded middle: is prostitution good or bad? Desiree says it is good for her personally. Andrew presses: she is 'a lot of hooker'. Panel asked to raise hands if prostitution is good.

Ratings round (looks self-assessment)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Most guests rate themselves 7-8. Andrew sarcastically claims 11. Desiree rates herself 8 then walks it back to 'solid 3' on Scarlett Johansson scale. Extended debate on objectivity of beauty standards.

Desiree's DMs / pre-show confrontation meta-discussion

Brian reads Desiree's hostile pre-show DMs aloud ('I'm above answering your questions, just book me'). Panel reacts. Desiree explains she was 'on a mission' and didn't know who Brian was. Andrew reveals he recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest's body count. Danielle: 7. Desiree: ~50-100 (lost virginity at 13). Alex: 8-10. Emily: 5-10. Kwan: under 10. Andrew: 10-12 intercourse (more if counting oral). Discussion of whether body count matters.

Primary victim of war (men vs women)

Final debate: who is the primary victim of war — men or women? Ashley argues women/children left behind are primary victims due to domino effect. Andrew uses logical conditionals (preference for abandonment over death) to show men have it worse. Ashley eventually concedes men are primary victims under Andrew's logic.

Closing call to action / wrap-up

Brian asks Desiree and Danielle if they'd stop sex work. Desiree says no; Danielle says she'd wait until she has a husband. Final shoutouts, raid to esfandTV, Andrew's channel promotion.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasare stop holy [ __ ] let me talk the reason feminists are criticized when it comes to their victimhood

Brian Atlasmindset their victim mindset is because they'll complain about things like manspreading and man explaining and these sorts of benign and arbitrary things because the the Grievances and

Brian Atlasgranted I I do think there are actually legitimate griev grievances that women face however feminists will often make they will either exaggerate or there will be a hyperbole they'll present

Brian Atlasfalse information when it comes to their supposed victimhood status and then they'll also just complain about just the most benign ridiculous [ __ ] like the wage Gap mansplaining manspreading okay

Brian Atlasso that that's where the criticisms come for so you can't then use that as justification to be like well you're why you calling yourself why you calling men victims when they [ __ ] die in

Brian AtlasWar I apologize if I come off as a snowflake for holding the position that men dying in war makes them victims they are victims but also like looking it from like a dark perspective like okay

Ashley Paolathey they die and then it ends there now let's just hold on wait so with my church there a Ministry where we go to Africa hold on real quick you trying to leave just say your point okay so

Ashley Paolathere's a Ministry at church where we go well I don't but my church goes out to Africa and looks over the the widows and the children that are left alone because the men have to go to war and they're just left in villages and they're left

Ashley Paolawithout food they're left without everything so if we're going to be approaching this from a traditional standpoint that men are that's the responsibility I'm not saying it's they're not victims but they are they

Ashley Paolaare going to war to protect their their women and children and then okay they die they die it's horrible I'm not saying that's right but now the victims that are still living are the women and children that are having to I don't

Ashley Paolaagree with what these Ukrainian women are doing but if anything just shows how more broken they get without the male leader in the frame you don't have to agree though I

Ashley Paolasee what you're saying they're they're victims they're dying that sucks but but the children in the rub about the woman the children and and the woman in the rubble right now as we speak those are victims that are still alive and

Brian Atlasbreathing because of War yes okay so if I can acknowledge that it's absolutely war is absolutely has a negative impact

Ashley Paolaon children and women I can acknowledge that however the men who are dying are the primary victims of war yeah but what I don't I think you're not you're

Ashley Paolathinking I'm coming from from a feminist point but I'm actually making a point that men are much more I can almost say more important than women that they hold such a a a valuable like value in the whole family unit that when they die it

Brian Atlasimpacts the family immensely well if they're more important than women wouldn't their death be more

Ashley Paolaimportant than the suffering of it makes much more of a of a more treasured yeah because more people are being affected without their leadership and their

Brian Atlasprotection even more and the wife has to okay so hold on let me ask you a question let's assume that uh I don't know what the death toll is in the

Brian AtlasUkraine conflict but let's assume in uh World War II that 5 million of the men that died in World War II were single they did not

Brian Atlashave a spouse they did not have a wife they did not have any children they had maybe they had a father mother brother sister I'll grant that

Brian Atlasuh knowing this those 5 million men that didn't have a spouse didn't have kids are those men then the primary victim of

Ashley PaolaWar I guess that's that situation no wait even in that situation still no really no I'm saying no like no on my on my argument like no it wait hold on so

Ashley Paolaif that for the situation just gave me no then if there's no women or children involved then yeah I guess the men are more victim in that situation well what about the father and the mother and brothers and sisters they have to do aren't they

Ashley Paolagoing to suffer too just everybody freaking suffered I don't know this is like a hard question but the thing is you so you think that so you guys just think straight out it's the men are more victims and that yes

Kwan Clarkevery military every milit there there is Al there are also women they know chance they'll never come back to their families so yeah yeah and there's a doino effect there's a doino effect I'll

Ashley Paolamake I'll make a deal with you how about women go and fight all the wars and Men stay at home and then we can say that we're equally I'm not for that I'm not for that I I believe that men should be out fighting the war and it's

Ashley Paolaunfortunate that that they are the ones that are being victims

Andrew Wilsonto hang on but let us assume for a second women were the ones out fighting the wars while men stayed at home we'd be so messed up would you yeah would you would you say though that women or men

Ashley Paolathen would be the primary victim of War this is crazy okay wait so if all women were out in war would we be if the women fought

Ashley Paolathe wars instead of the men and the men stayed home would you say that no I think the women now would be the women would be the victim because the men can figure it out they're leaders they'll be back home figuring but leadership role

Ashley Paolaif they're not fighting hold on well that I know I don't agree with that but we're just giving the circumstance if we were to switch it for whatever reason then yeah no wait would the women then be the

Ashley Paolaprimary victims of war still if they were out yes yes because I believe that men can be at home figuring it out I don't believe they should be staying at home women were the primary

Ashley Paolavictims of war in that scenario then if you reversed it to men you see how that works no no no because if we were it'd be it'd be a lose-lose situation that way cuz if all women were to go to war we'd be messed

Ashley Paolaup and the men were just had to stay back home no like I don't believe that that would work I don't know if this is making sense logically to me but maybe

Andrew Wilsonso here let me let me make it make sense if if by your answer you say if women went to war instead of men they'd be the primary victims of war but you say when men go to war instead of women they're

Ashley Paolanot the primary victims of war that makes no [ __ ] sense to me at all well I can't that logic doesn't stand because I'm thinking that men should be going out to war because they are supposed to

Ashley Paolabe protecting us and stuff like that and if we were to switch it I still in my head I'm like well men are they will figure it out their leaders and stuff so but if they're back at home and their wife is dead but the logic doesn't work

Ashley Paolabecause real leaders wouldn't be in that position anyways they'd be out in War I actually have I think I have a uh something here Andrew unless you want to have a bit

Andrew Wilsonmore well I mean I'll just I'll just finish it with this so the insertion of the hypothetical is to test the logic right so if you're asking who's the primary victim of War if we just reversed it and said well women go to

Andrew Wilsonwar instead of men uh and you say that women then would be the primary victims of war then it should stand to logic that if you reversed it so men went that men would be the primary victims of war you understand that right no I

Brian Atlasunderstand what you're saying but no because my argument is that be go ahead I think I have a Smoking Gun here and Andrew I want you to let me know if you think this is uh little Smoking Gun uh I

Brian Atlasasked you a question earlier and I think I asked would you rather be essayed or killed correct okay so oh boy okay uh I think I know where

Brian Atlasyou're going with this but so if if you were to be essed are you the primary victim or is your husband the primary

Ashley Paolavictim cuz he has to deal with you dealing with that traum I mean but that's not the same thing those are two different scenarios because both people are still alive we we agreed they're two

Andrew Wilsondifferent scenarios but in good faith okay are you the primary victim or is

Brian Atlashe I think I would be the primary victim right you'd be the primary victim now but here's the thing when I ask you the question my understanding is you

Ashley Paolacategorize this death is worse than essay death is worse you said you said I don't want to die I I've been sexually assaulted so I'm okay with that but so

Ashley Paolayou said that death is worse than saay no I'm not saying that I'm just choosing we've already been no I did not say that I did not say that but we have to choose like but it's not because I I think it's better it's just I already done it so

Andrew WilsonI'm alive right now why would I want to die that's what I'm saying cuz you you wouldn't want to but if hold on I'm a little confused here okay so if presented with the choice between SA or death if you had never been sa which

Andrew Wilsonwould you choose well it's hard cuz I'm biased I'm sa cuz yeah but assuming sa well you already answer that

Andrew Wilsonokay sa so then if that's the case under those conditionals then you're saying that death is worse and if women are the primary victims of war based around the fact that they could potentially be sa

Ashley Paolaand death is worse and more men die than women then it would stand to reason then that men were the primary victims of war is that the argument Brian no because I'm still standing on that the fact that the men are dying is affecting and

Ashley Paolahaving a domino effect on the wom and the children left behind so the people that are dying aren't victims they are victims but that I don't believe that they're the primary because they're dead and it sucks but

Andrew Wilsonnow the people that are living with the consequences are the women and the children got it okay they're dying to the women test so just real quick we'll test that think about all the single

Andrew Wilsonmoms children hang on abandon would you would you choose abandonment or choose death abandonment okay would you choose poor economic conditions or would you

Andrew Wilsonchoose death poor economic conditions okay well then under all circumstances which you have stated that the domino effect would fall on the women and children then this means that men who

Andrew Wilsondie in war still have it worse than women therefore we can conclude that men have it worse than women when it comes to war correct I guess yes okay

TTS Readerokay final question but she's gone let me do the chats I promise we're wrapping up now guys Ryan Callaway donated

TTS Reader$69 Brian I felt bad for you Sunday as you were clearly tired as hell glad you're in better shape tonight also I want to see foot fetish lady back when

TTS Readershe's has more sleep she's interesting yeah we should have her back I mean if she's down if she's down this Tardis big

TTS Reader[ __ ] okay up aquatic donated $69 is it sexist for men to be scared of

TTS Readerwomen BC women can falsely accuse men of grape simple yes or no no what uh is it sex for men to be scared of women

TTS Readerbecause women can fall it well the better framing on that one is so W Watson donated

TTS Reader$69 Brian how do you have the nerve to humiliate Noel with Andrew for nine [ __ ] hours and then expecting her not talking [ __ ] about you and even praising you you and Andrew talk [ __ ] about bivo

Andrew Wilsonand Wes still I don't talk [ __ ] about West I do talk [ __ ] about no well wait that that is true that's fair I I do talk [ __ ] about both bivo and Wes I'm

TTS Readernot going to lie pull those up Nick all right uh oh wait LOL paladins donated $69 props to everyone on this panel

TTS Readerother than Brian most Tik Tok brain 304s give up after 6 hours Brian seems intent on torturing the viewers as long as possible social experiment you're kinky

Brian Atlasyou're kinky Bri he's a s he's a s that's what that's called major sist yeah oh we have one more thank you la paladins appreciate it

TTS Readercan I last $69 sprinkler I'll here but did you hear about the new bill going through the house to replace the wartime draft with the automatic wartime

Brian Atlasdraft I did I did see that they're trying to do oh basically just meant get automatically instead of having to register for the Selective Service they're just automatically in The Selective Service System they don't have

Brian Atlasto do a registration I did hear about that um anyways so okay final question can you be sexist towards men yeah no wait

Brian Atlaswait I'm sorry how about just answer the question can you can you not not you can can women be sexist towards

Brian Atlasmen I believe the men are the victims in culture H primarily okay so just is that a yes yeah okay

Brian Atlasyes yeah yes yes yeah all right cool all right guys we are going to wrap up the show my goodness what a do of an episode

Brian Atlaswhat a doozy we're going to do a raid to Nick is he still playing hold on let me look we're going to raid ah in and- out's definitely closed now uh a damn Aladar stopped

Brian Atlasraiding okay we're going to raid um we're gonna do the little Goblin Joker D but he's just started his stream um well raid Joker D guys uh pull up twitch really quick

Brian AtlasNick a he's not even he's not even there to receive it okay we'll do is W Grandma still doing her [ __ ] guys go to twitch.tv/ whatever drops a follow drops a prime sub

Danielle (D)uh it's what you can you can come back you can come back I I have a I have a flight C what we're really needs to yeah

Brian Atlaswe're rapping uh let's see here hold on guys uh who do I need to read no it's 2 Jesus I'm old no wonder I went crazy you guys I go to bed at like8 you were

Desiree Noelcrazy at the beginning well true but I was triggered I would have calmed down that was 5 hours ago okay well I got adrenaline rushed I guess 2:24 I can't

Desiree Noelsee that I'm sleeping at Brian's house just saying I called it I'll sleep on the couch I'll sleep on the couch happen no way okay so uh let me oh hold on this

TTS Readerand then I'm do my shout outs and then we're going to kale and jari donated $69 while I don't agree with her Bas statement I agree men would be less negatively impacted if they lost a wife

TTS Readerin war than a woman who lost her husband men would be hurt but still safe and stable thank you that's what I'm trying to say I yeah but that doesn't actually logically follow yes it does yes it does

Andrew Wilsonno it it doesn't because I asked about the the it's a very feminist opinion by the way because I asked the conditionals of the domino effect and if the conditionals of the domino effect are

Brian Atlasthe same then it can't be true okay okay yes sir okay all right feminist I'd like to end the show by seeing if we can't use this moment as an

Brian Atlasopportunity to give you both a call to action would you consider stopping sex work entirely absolutely

Desiree Noelnot absolutely I would yeah would you make a commitment tonight this is a called action for tonight to do it oh well I have to wait until I have a husband and I have all my

Brian Atlasneeds now okay that's a no all right I tried Boys I Tried okay GG well played to the panel I think this is one of our longest streams ever so you should feel a sense of you should feel a sense of

Brian AtlasPride to have been part of the longest whatever stream ever we did have internet issues and this is all K's

Brian Atlasfault yeah so I want to thank you oh I got nothing double bu huge mass

Brian Atlasmy my gains oh my no I mean it it's that was before never mind it's like a

Brian Atlasbodybuilding thing okay uh so gg gg well played to the panel oh my God last call hit the like button please on your way out if you're

Brian Atlaswatching on YouTube thank you for tuning in tonight you could have been anywhere in the world but you were here with me I appreciate that stick around for the raids thank you to everyone who super donates and supports the show your patronage is very much appreciated you

Brian Atlasguys are super generous and you know we're like the vast majority of our streams get the Y Yellow YouTube demonetization icon uh our streams uh you

Brian Atlasdemonetized you know we're talking about some crazy [ __ ] on here um M Madison's just dropping the r bomb like all the

Brian Atlastime you know so yeah so we will be live again Sunday 5:00 p.m. Pacific uh we got some good guests coming we got Natalie Winters you guys

Brian Atlasare fan fan of her she's super based she'll be on I think doubling up Sunday Tuesday got some excellent panels coming up any girls who want to be on the show DM whatever on Instagram if you can make it to Santa Barbara I'm going to do a

Brian Atlasquick twitch raid is he not back yet this [ __ ] Goblin yeah he's just [ __ ] being yeah he's being a [ __ ] Goblin I want to raid somebody else then

Brian Atlashold on uh let me just if you want get a last minute TT guessing oh I got did this did this come through I never even

Brian Atlassaw Oh weird if you want okay sorry guys Joker D is being a little Goblin so not sure what's going on there we got who do we who do we raid man I don't know maybe we do sond he's already been streaming

Brian Atlasfor 12 hours esfand esfand uh let me check one thing hold

Brian Atlason what is going on with Joker Joker D okay uh we're going to raid San then what did you just say what sounded like

Brian Atlasyou said something weird Joker D did you think I said that joker D no joker D Joker D hold on guys sorry getting this raid

Brian Atlasgoing oh man okay can you send me yeah one sec I'm get I'm getting it for you here in just

Brian Atlasa sec man oh Joker D went offline that's weird okay uh San it's sand TV es SF n d TV we're going to rate

Brian Atlashim yo guys I want to get San on the channel uh I'd love to get him on the podcast he would be super dope he'd be be a great guest so if you can go over there just tell him like yo hop on the

Brian Atlaswhatever podcast uh let me know when you have it Nick thank you guys on TW tuning in on Twitch I know it was a bumpy stream uh could you just hide andreww

Brian Atlasfor just a sec yeah that's does he know we're watching him uh yeah leave it there nick uh so tell him that he needs to come on the

Brian Atlaswhatever podcast I'm going to raid in 10 seconds uh thank you guys for watching camble here what I have no idea what game he's playing lower H big gamble two

Brian Atlaslevel three of these guys now thank you guys for watching on Twitch 0's in the chat have a good night guys on Twitch all right we just sent the raid what game what game is this I play that

Brian Atlasguys we're going to do have Madison start a twitch stream

Backgroundonly yo whatever thank you for the raid what's up man okay huge this is our game Claus and Chaos it's not out

Background[Music] yet but it's the oh what game is this I don't know

Backgroundis this DOTA Auto it's an auto battler think of it more like like it's like DOTA Auto CH it's a good

Brian Atlasexample like it's like super Auto pets kind of but okay super Auto TFT anyways all right guys uh we got to wrap the

Brian Atlasshow I'm GNA send those of you on YouTube I'm going to send you guys to Andrew uh all right guys so 07s in the chat longest stream ever it was a total

Brian Atlastrain wreck of a stream off the rails but it was a good show nevertheless very entertaining I want to give a big thank you to Andrew we're sending you guys over to him guys get this guy to 100K

Desiree Noelhe's the most get Andrew to 100K get Andrew subcribe you Andrew you intellectual he is one of the he is a gentleman and a scholar an all-around

Brian Atlasgreat guy and an aole he deserves he deserves 100K more than any other YouTuber I can think of one so drop him a sub guys when you go over drop him

Brian Atlassome love when we do the raid and um tell him to shave his arms with that said I hope you guys have a very good night po that Jes how old are you pop it put a little alcohol and that dry that

Desiree Noel[ __ ] up tell him to shave his arm and show usy you were a 10 but you got that zit now you're a7's in the chat I hope you guys have a good night good night guys

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