The Most INSANE Show Ever?! FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! 2+24?! She EXTORTS Men?! | Dating Talk #169

Date: 2024-06-12

Duration: 8h 46m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDesiree Noel >

AAshley Paola >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Kwan Clark(guest)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Alex(guest)

SPEAKER_09Desiree Noel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Jessica(guest)

SPEAKER_12Danielle (D)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Ashley Paola(guest)

SPEAKER_14Emily(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDesiree explains transactional dating: sets price for male access to her time based on their 'vibe'; example of charging rent (~$2700) for a date/night

“if I know that's what he's coming at me with I set the price for judging on his character where he's at in life his Vibe”

QuoteAlex discloses she is in a committed relationship with a 53-year-old man who has a terminal pancreatic illness; they met when he noticed her walking with a cane at a movie theater

“he has a terminal illness so terminal is it cancer or no it's a pancreas thing so he doesn't have too long to live”

QuoteDesiree admits it's the same energy exchange as prostitution: 'we call it whatever you want... it doesn't matter'

“it's honestly not it's the same type of energy exchange we call it whatever you want I have no taboo about it”

QuoteBrian mocks Terence Howard quotes about Flower of Life and wave conjugations, feeding them to Desiree who partially agrees with the pseudoscience

“he was able to open up the Flower of Life properly and find the real wave conjugations”

ControversyAndrew challenges panelists on their self-ratings: claims none are 8s, compares them to Scarlett Johansson in her prime as benchmark for 8.

“not even one who's an eight”

QuoteDesiree's hostile pre-show DMs read aloud: 'I'm above needing to answer your certain questions, just book me on your fucking show'

“I am above needing to answer your certain questions just book me on your fucking show and let's go”

ControversyAndrew reveals he secretly recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian and that Brian 'didn't know who he was fucking with'

“you said behind the scenes that you wanted Revenge that you wanted to get some guys and that Brian didn't know who he was fucking with”

QuoteDesiree discloses children's photos and explicit OnlyFans content are on same Instagram account; defends it as no shame around sexuality

“I don't believe that human sexuality is anything wrong in my book there's nothing wrong with it I celebrate sex”

ControversyAndrew uses logical conditionals to force Ashley to concede men are primary victims of war; Ashley reluctantly agrees.

“it would stand to reason then that men were the primary victims of war is that the argument Brian”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions (name/age/location/occupation)

Each guest introduces themselves. Danielle (D) CEO foot fetish business NJ/NYC; Desiree Noel sex coach SoCal 38; Alex multimedia artist 26 Russian-born; Emily 18 Pahrump NV unemployed; Ashley Paola 29 IE medical sales; Jessica 25 Hawthorne student/mom; Kwan Clark 30 San Diego waitress; Andrew Wilson The Crucible host.

Relationship status round

Each guest shares current relationship status and longest relationship. Desiree explains transactional dating philosophy at length. Alex discusses age-gap relationship with terminally ill 53-year-old partner. Emily is 3 weeks into new relationship. Ashley in talking stage with 43yo man.

Desiree's transactional dating/sex work model

Extended debate over Desiree charging men for her time/company (rent = ~$2700 SoCal). Discussion of whether this constitutes prostitution. Desiree insists it is legitimate business/energy exchange. Panel challenges her on tax implications, ethics, and consistency.

Polyamory vs monogamy debate

Alex and Desiree defend non-monogamous structures. Andrew Wilson argues for monogamy as healthy norm. Extended debate on jealousy as healthy vs. toxic, value of commitment, and what 'going with the flow' means.

Vibration/frequencies/New Age philosophy debate

Desiree explains 'low vibration' men, quantum physics as applied to dating, epigenetics as 'vibrational transfer'. Andrew challenges scientific validity. Brian invokes Terence Howard quotes. Discussion of Anunnaki, gravity as effect vs. force.

Women's laws / society / religion debate

Panel discusses why major societies have historically restricted women's behavior. Ashley gives Biblical perspective (male leadership/God-ordained structure). Andrew uses 'wait till your father gets home' example for male ontological authority.

Prostitution is it good or bad

Andrew poses law of excluded middle: is prostitution good or bad? Desiree says it is good for her personally. Andrew presses: she is 'a lot of hooker'. Panel asked to raise hands if prostitution is good.

Ratings round (looks self-assessment)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Most guests rate themselves 7-8. Andrew sarcastically claims 11. Desiree rates herself 8 then walks it back to 'solid 3' on Scarlett Johansson scale. Extended debate on objectivity of beauty standards.

Desiree's DMs / pre-show confrontation meta-discussion

Brian reads Desiree's hostile pre-show DMs aloud ('I'm above answering your questions, just book me'). Panel reacts. Desiree explains she was 'on a mission' and didn't know who Brian was. Andrew reveals he recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest's body count. Danielle: 7. Desiree: ~50-100 (lost virginity at 13). Alex: 8-10. Emily: 5-10. Kwan: under 10. Andrew: 10-12 intercourse (more if counting oral). Discussion of whether body count matters.

Primary victim of war (men vs women)

Final debate: who is the primary victim of war — men or women? Ashley argues women/children left behind are primary victims due to domino effect. Andrew uses logical conditionals (preference for abandonment over death) to show men have it worse. Ashley eventually concedes men are primary victims under Andrew's logic.

Closing call to action / wrap-up

Brian asks Desiree and Danielle if they'd stop sex work. Desiree says no; Danielle says she'd wait until she has a husband. Final shoutouts, raid to esfandTV, Andrew's channel promotion.

Transcript

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Desiree Noelagreed upon from both parties not just be kind of the norm for anytime you in intialize something itang I got to say I got to say real quick I don't mean to

Andrew Wilsoncut you guys off but um R you got to go get an energy drink you got to go SL like pound an energy drink seem like you're pass it out on that

Andrew Wilsonend yeah pound go yeah pound and energy drink you'll feel a lot better um can I so I know I've taken those brutal flights myself out there

Ashley Paolaand uh that always helps me just uh but so I I just want to ask you like okay so I know said um like even the relationship you're with right now it's I you said you guys enjoy your guys'

Ashley Paolacompany you guys are committed to each other but you know if you guys want to date someone else or things change so where is the actual real commitment like in your in how do you see that if

Alexthere's no real commitment well there is commitment because we decide on it and we have decided that if we meet somebody it would be it would be somebody you

Alexknow like that we both like and we bothy bring into the Rel bring Rel each other for um no but but however if we do meet other people somehow and would want to

Desiree Noelbe with other people like it is what it is so what it comes down to is basically it's a different structure where we are ultimately only committed 100% to ourselves and our own personal growth

Desiree Noelselfish though no it's actually not because that's the only way that you can truly show up and fully full out love somebody with your whole soul and receive their full out unconditional

Desiree Noellove from their soul when you start adding but it's not unconditional it's conditional it's conditional based on at any point if this relationship no longer serves your personal growth and your

Desiree Noelhighest good or my personal growth and my highest good as consenting adults we will peacefully do what we got to do then why make a commitment in the first place if it's not really I mean I personally I don't the only commitment I

Desiree Noelmake is to my own personal growth health and development and to being completely honest and transparent so there's no shadiness we talk about everything honest and transparent either then it's really just and when you reach that

Desiree Noellevel you don't need to have these monogamous things because that's not what it's about it's about connection it's about love it's about I get what it is that you're say the whole the whole

Jessicaself love and that you have to show up for yourself 100% I get that but then that also just takes way um with people being able to get out of the relationship faster you don't fight for

Desiree Noelanything like no that's actually not true because when you actually find those aligned people who are worth fighting for that's how you weed it out I love your [ __ ] soul so much that

Desiree NoelI'm willing to be curious why did you do that thing I'm just curious and we have no jealousy right because we have no reason to be jealous we are awesome human beings and if this guy wants to go

Desiree Noelfine another cool awesome person will come in if we want to leave because he's not stepping it up or he's not doing the right thing we're free to go so do you believe isn't um isn't jealousy actually

Andrew Wilsonkind of healthy so doesn't that show that you hang on hang on doesn't that show that you actually value a person um and value them as a human being to the point that you don't want to share them

TTS Readeror that uh you know you don't want any other people to intrude you want all to yourself L paladins donated $2 doar controlling man noun when a woman wants

TTS Readerto have relations with another man and the boyfriend or husband says no number two is the definition of toxic femininity let the rest of the panel speak well there I mean they're all

Andrew Wilsonengaging honestly and I don't I don't see a problem with people engaging but um but to this to my question isn't that part like if you love somebody right now I know that you can take anything to an

Andrew Wilsonextreme you can even take U how much you love a person to an extreme smother them this type of thing but wouldn't you expect to see something you value for you to be a little bit jealous of if uh if somebody else was kind of moving in

Andrew Wilsonor uh you felt they were spending time away from you things like that isn't a bit of jealousy good and for you to say well I just don't have any isn't that really just telling us that you don't value anybody no I would say that the

Desiree Noeljealousy is a tool it's a tool it's it's just an emotional tool a human emotion it's a human emotion but it's nothing to get stuck on it's it's it should be a

Desiree Noelpassion sparker like you know what I'm getting kind of jealous that he's really talking to that girl a lot at work instead of me trumping and getting all

Andrew Wilsondramatic or whatever what do I do but step up my [ __ ] game well then I'll dress a little cuter I'll [ __ ] a little that's just [ __ ] testing though it's fun honestly very fun isn't

Andrew Wilsonthe old adage of play stupid games win PR it's not stupid though it's not stupid it's actually that's the way you have a passionate sex life for the whole relationship time let them finish and

Andrew Wilsonthen you can go go ahead if you're in a position where you value somebody uh of course you're you could easily experiences feelings of jealousy that does not only not make you a bad person

Andrew Wilsonbut probably a good thing it's probably healthy it shows that you love and adore this person and you value them and this type of thing or it shows that you're not comfortable with

Andrew Wilsonjust hang on I'm almost done and I'll let you speak I promise isn't it good in many ways that people show that they they have a bit of jealousy because that's the value they're showing I value

Desiree Noelthis thing and you're like saying I have none of that wouldn't that tell me that you just don't value anybody or anything I would say that the jealousy is actually the root of it is your own

Desiree Noelinsecurity see I don't have jealousy because I know I am a unique one-of-a kind energy if a man wants to have experience a different flavor that's

Desiree Noelfine why would I be jealous of that he'll be back when he wants this flavor no different than how it's a tool jealous a to Andrew let her finish go ahead so I I just look at jealousy as a

Desiree Noeltool now what I prefer more is true admiration and respect when I truly admire a man and respect him I might

Desiree Noelhave that little twinge of what we could call jealousy but what it is is he's holding me accountable to rise up my level for example there's this guy who is my guy we all have the The One That

Desiree NoelGot Away the childhood love whatever you want to say right he's just my guy we've never actually been together but you know what I love about him is that he

Desiree Noelhad this kinky side I didn't have that coming from the Christian world I was like a good girl so because of my love

Desiree Noelof this man my reverence of him my respect of him I allowed that to rise my game so I went out and learned how to

Andrew Wilsonfcked this is um there's a bunch of kind no but but then it became fun for me and now I have calm down for a second hang on just let me say what what I need to say here

Andrew Wilsonso it seems like there's a bit of pedantry here where you say things like well I'm a unique special energy it's like well okay but everybody's a unique true and that is true which is why I

Andrew Wilsondon't think hang stop just stop let me finish holy [ __ ] before you cut in um when you say things like that it sounds like a bunch of non seers like a bunch of meaningless spiritual esoteric tripe

Andrew Wilsonthat that means nothing see the thing is I don't get jealous because I'm a unique special energy well yeah but that guy over there is a unique special energy and he does get jealous right the thing is is that none of that really actually

Andrew Wilsonanswers to my question of value so if you value something the whole purpose of valuing that thing is I I I love it or I desire it or I want I have it has value

Andrew Wilsonto me that's where jealousy inserts itself can jealousy become uh toxic because people become irate over it sure but does that usually happen I don't think so I think it's pretty common that

Andrew Wilsonpeople become jealous uh even over kind of small things and even laugh it off and and even recognize ah you know maybe that's a bad feeling to have uh you know under this circumstance or that circumstance but what you're talking

Andrew Wilsonabout really doesn't actually answer my question of do you value anybody and if you do how do you demonstrate that without wanting to be a bit possessive or things like this I just don't

Desiree Noelresonate with the word jealousy or possession or anything along those lines just because it's common and that's what people typically present doesn't mean

Desiree Noelit's healthy that's not love like I love my children so I want the absolute best for them a lot of times they choose things that is not my favorite or they go spend time with other people when I

Desiree Noelwould prefer to spend time with them but I love them so much I value them as an individual okay if you believe that that's your best life that that's your best choice today that that's your best

Desiree Noelfriend and you hate me today okay I I love you so much I have the space to allow you to be yourself and I bring that same energy into my relation

Desiree Noelreltionship Dynamics I don't it's okay to have jealousy but what I tell men is that's your issue you go process the jealousy just like I do I feel the

Desiree Noeljealousy sometimes and guess what I do I go process for that no I'm saying everybody has these human emotions it's what you do with it so I might feel a

Andrew Wilsontwins of jealousy I go and do my inner work you just got done saying that jealousy does not resonate with your frequencies you don't experience all and 5 seconds later I'm jealous sometimes

Andrew Wilsonbut I just know how to deal with it it's like but everybody then that's the story of every human being out there almost every human being out there gets jealous and most of them know how to deal with it by the time they're adults because they have to right okay so may I don't

Desiree Noelknow what makes special with and we can agree on that I was simply saying as the emotions of jealousy or possession kick in I don't bring that into my relationships I go have a night to

Desiree Noelmyself and I ask myself what would make me feel in secure why do I feel insecure in comparison to for example this other woman and then I think to myself well you know what she's in better shape than

Desiree Noelme that's I really like that and so you know what I do instead of dumping that onto my relationship I go get in better shape hold on right final thing Andrew final thing final thing go ahead yeah so you're

Andrew Wilsonactually coping with jealousy what you're saying is I have ways in which I hang on ways which I cope with jealousy and these are all ways I cope with I how

Desiree Noelto cope te people how to cope it's not a coping it is a you're using jealousy as the tool of the invitation it's a tool

Desiree Noelto look Inward and say what is this triggering what is this triggering us of the attention that he's showing to her so you're like okay let me look like her that's not true yeah let me look like

Backgroundher it's literally you in thee we cane dis jealous it's just a human thing it's what you do with it is all I'm

Jessicasaying if you show the jealousy in your relationship it'll it could actually help your relationship say controlling it I say you're processing it in a healthy way okay cool so what's the panel's thoughts on the anunaki does

Brian Atlasanybody have any idea what that is no what is that I don't know what it is I can tell you Ani supposedly are a group of alien

Andrew Wilsonbeings who came down as star seeds and seeded the planet Earth for Life uh you utilizing a hybrid technology in order

Andrew Wilsonto create uh like a lizard hybrid people in the beginning of our that's what the they have like cool watch looking things yeah we're not going to linger on the Anunnaki thing thank you with that

Brian Atlasthat's don't worry about it a couple questions for for you here you mentioned low vibrations you mention frequencies um you know I don't know if you you're familiar with the the one of the greatest Minds

Brian Atlasuh of our generation of our time uh Terence Howard are you familiar with him at all no but explain the thought process so so yeah Terence Howard one of the greatest minds of our time um he

Brian Atlasasserts that frequencies they have um intrinsic power that resonates throughout history and it influences our emotional physiological and cognitive states do you do you yes so it would be

Desiree Noelwhat the better word would be to use epigenetics so epigenetics is the transfer of vibrational data through the generation now I so that is not what

Andrew Wilsonepigenetics means does not mean transfer vibrational data hold on hold on it actually does I have degrees in this stuff okay you have you have degrees in from you have degrees in epigenetics huh

Desiree NoelI have a degree in psychology and social behavior and I have a degree in counseling and I also have a life Coast certification from an Institute that specializes in quantum physics and

Andrew Wilsonvibrational resonance wait okay so in your psychology degree did they explain to you that epigenetics is the study of vibrational frequency passed down through the generation I just want this

Desiree Noelon records so for example they have studied now in rats right in pregnant rats they do these tests where the pregnant rat they can tell now because

Desiree Noelthey use water and the vibration of water and all this stuff in the mom but vibrational data meaning basically the traumas and the emotional information from the mother gets transferred to that

Andrew Wilsonbaby that she's pregnant with and that goes back seven generations that is not vibrational data which is being transferred uh no in biology epigenetics

Andrew Wilsona study of heritable traits or a stable change of cell function that happen without changes to the DNA sequence these are not studies of the vibrational

Andrew Wilsonintergenerational frequencies of parents and and uh Sons daughters and her itability of vibrations that's ABS that's esotericism tossed in to epigenetics

Andrew Wilsonwhich is a real legitimate scientific study it's not about esoteric vibration your School of Science and My School of Science didn't date apparently so that's

Andrew Wilsonfine your school of science studies uh vibrational frequencies passed down her heritable frequencies so my my greatest mentor and who taught me about quantum

Desiree Noelphysics and vibrational information is morrisy you can look her up she um she runs the brave thinking Institute and she's a master she's a master at

Desiree Noelcreating anything you want it's a science it's called quantum physics okay because we're all vibrational beings and we are passing on vibrational information so so I've got a couple like

Brian AtlasI I want to run some like this is from Terence Howard I just want to run like this by you and see if you kind of concur so he says with the S that Pythagoras was searching for like he's

Brian Atlasmade discoveries in his own personal life with the science that Pythagoras was searching for he was able able to open up the Flower of Life properly and find the real wave conjugations that

Brian Atlaswe've been looking for for 10,000 years why would I continue walking on water for tips when I got an entire okay that's something else hold on let me

Brian Atlasfind the other quote one second here he says that uh one sec I'm getting it he all so he says all the energy in the

Brian Atlasuniverse is expressed in motion all motion is expressed in waves all waves are curves so where does the straight lines come from to make the platonic solids there are no straight lines so when I took the Flower of Life and

Desiree Noelopened it properly I found all new wave conjugations that expose the in between spaces it's the thing that holds us all together y so so straight lines or solid

Desiree Noelmatter is an optical illusion it's not really what's going on scientifically so if you hold it under the right microscope you see there's no straight lines there is vibration it's everything

Desiree Noelis moving and it's waves it's sound waves it's all of this and that is what our body is actually reading the data coming in now he he wait hold hold on

Brian Atlashold on hold on okay so he also says that he's he's able to prove that gravity is only an effect and not a force do do you tend to agree with that

Desiree Noelor gravity is only an effect and not a force I God that's such a complicated way of saying that I'm trying to translate it into like common speak because that's the problem a lot of

Desiree Noelstuff gets lost in translation to be honest with you because we all have our own way of understanding things right so that's why I speak street Thug I speak

Desiree Noelscientist I speak life coach is by itself with no one around is it a force I would say okay okay I will say

Desiree Noelthis if you're with it gravity if there's nothing to drop is useless it's only there

Desiree Noelto serve the matter that it is vibing with you could say that it's around so I guess that is true it's not a force

Desiree Noelthat's going to be penetrative it's just there if it's necessary it's there to drop something okay but effects effects have causes that's true yeah so what's the cause of

Andrew Wilsonthe effect good question um can you rephrase that like say it I don't how I don't I actually am thinking about this I don't even know how I could ask that better

Andrew Wilsongra so you're saying where does the where does the law of gravity come from the effect where does the law of gravity come from is that what you're I'm saying if it's an effect what is the cause of

Desiree Noelthe effect the cause of the effect is us is everything that would require the gravity to work thanful so it might be a human body it might be an

Andrew Wilsonanimal it might be a rock getting a human body the human b um well that's the Myst on let me ask you a question wait hang wait that doesn't make any

Andrew Wilsonsense gravity as a force okay you you say it's an effect this is an effect okay but all effects have causes what is

Andrew Wilsonthe cause of this effect of gravity you say well human beings are the effect of the I I would say that honestly even though I don't mean this to be like flippant

Desiree Noelbut I think that that's what we would call God we would call that the mystery there's certain things it's a little above our pay grade of exactly how it came to be and exactly why it

Andrew Wilsonmathematically works perfectly and exactly why it's there I mean it's like the mystery of right you just you don't know what the cause is that's what you're actually saying I just don't know what the cause I can say definely the

Andrew Wilsoncause is what I would call God you can call it whatever you want you can call it so the effects so the so the cause of gravity is or the effect of

Desiree Noelgravity is God God is causing gravity to happen well I mean I hate to say God because we have like this particular image but that's just the best word that we've kind of come up with you can call

Andrew Wilsonit the mystery again the mystery now when you get into frequency it's interesting because um now don't take this the wrong way but from my perspective what you're saying is a bunch of pseudo pseudoscientific

Andrew Wilsonnonsense uh when you're talking about frequency it is true that solid objects do have a frequency for instance if you took a wine glass and you hit the right pitch with your voice you could break

Andrew Wilsonthe glass the reason that that glass breaks is because it does have a frequency and the frequency of your voice if they intersects they it can dissolve objects there is a precedent for this we've known about this for a

Andrew Wilsonlong long long time what I don't understand though is this idea that there's no such thing as something solid there's not see you were already mistaken because you were calling the glass solid and you also

Desiree Noelsaid that it had a frequency so if it has a frequency by Nature it's not solid that doesn't make any sense because a frequency connotes that something is in

Brian Atlasmovement if it's in movement it's by Nature not solid okay I'm moving this on I'm moving this on I'm moving it on Final question on this 2 + 2 equals 4

Desiree Noelagree or disagree I mean it depends on what the two is is it a pregnant mom is it two pregnant moms because that's more so

Desiree Noelit's everything is not as simple I mean like math just like two pencils plus two pencils is that what we're talking about yeah like the number two the number two

Desiree Noelplus the number two I would say for the most part yes what do you mean for the most part like I said there's some there's variations where but the thing

Desiree Noelis even that is a flawed concept because it's that pencil is billions of atoms that are vibrating so we've learn we've come to call it one pencil but it's

Desiree Noelactually however many atoms vibrating on the same frequency to make this appearance this optical illusion that this is a pencil and our human mind needs to label things and conceptualize

Desiree Noelit in solid form so we just call if it's not solid then how does it break break well technically it's not really

Desiree Noelbroken I mean even that's an OP well you could say now it appears as two pieces

Brian Atlasit still was never solid it's two pieces that's why right well no offense but I think let say if you're in a Kindergarten class and the well no

Andrew Wilsonoffense that's not an answer how is it not an answer saying saying no offense but I don't have an answer to that you gave you you didn't want to accept it so that's not my fault why does the glass break if it's not solid it only appears

Desiree Noelto break that's it only appear just like a heart only appears to break it's still your heart you still that's way different girl when you go through a

Ashley Paolaheartbreak it's honest saying it's not that different you guys on a scientific microscopic level it's not you can't see the heart broken because it's not really getting broken it's an it's it's a you can't die from a broken heart it's like

Ashley Paolathe pencil it's just a saying that I broke the pencil it's just it's the same thing scien that's like you saying I'm not really one human body because I'm made up of a million cells and that is true I describe myself as more of a

Desiree Noelconstellation I'm a constellation of atoms and energy and I one person you're one human body I mean I don't think of myself as one of anything I think myself say that you can say that's your truth

Ashley Paolabut the reality is you are one human being no the reality is actually not okay so I could just grab a part of you and there's two of you you could grab gra a piece of my hair but that's your hair coming that's just a part of you

Desiree NoelDNA all my DNA is in that one piece of hair that's not your body though onology exactly and guess what my body is not who I am oh gosh yeah but that's so

Ashley Paolathat's an ontological claim what is you then there is no I'm not definable I am you're not I thought you were valuable though I thought you were very valuable though and you're very unique don't you

Andrew Wilsondon't exist your feminist made flesh you just don't exist I am you you both exist and both exist don't exist at the same time we're very

Madisoncomplex aren't we all right Madison read really I mean when we're dead aside from death rattle nothing is moving I've only expended maybe 80 years worth of

Desiree Noelvibration when I was alive how do I pass on vibration when I dead when I did you have 10 seconds to answer that if you want you're essentially when you're when this biological body dies your energetic vibration is still there so we could

Madisoncall that the afterlife whatever you want to say you decompose and your energy recycles back into go this triick is confusing science with an achievement you can unlock an Assassin's Creed Unity

Desiree Noelwell I got to ask just one last question um does 2 plus 2 equal 4 in your brain it definitely does in everyone's brain it does I'm asking

Desiree Noelyou again if it's two like what are we talking about two num literally the number two one atom plus one atom equals 2 yes okay

Andrew Wilsonwhat about two at so does 2 plus two so I just does it or yes or no equal four say it again I just want a yes or

Desiree Noelno does 2 plus 2 equal four if we're talking on the atomic level yes okay what level does it not equal four anything other than the atomic level so

Desiree Noelanything other than the atomic level meaning I am I am a body made of billions of cells that feels like my

Desiree Noelbrain say that say that again that felt like my brain it's too heav for this why are we even talking about all this science guys

Desiree Noelwho cares it just feels like nobody else no mine's melting right now this is above most people's pay grade we don't

Desiree Noelneed to talk 2 plus 2 is you are I wrote books that breaks this all down into very basic day-to-day terms you go ahead

MadisonMadison are definitely you yourself as as sexual gratification I'd usually say please go home and think about your actions but maybe stop thinking so much mhm that is true there's another one

Madisoncoming in go ahead Madison this trick is confusing science we already read that with an achievement you can unlock oh my bad my bad Nickelodeon thank you man appreciate it thank you guys appreciate it go ahead Andrew with your point I was just going to ask what the resonant

Desiree Noelfrequency of your books are hang on people the res sorry yeah wait what am I answering am I answering I'm asking like what frequency are your books at truth the

Desiree Noelresonant frequency is truth plus love Yeah well well CHR Consciousness it's Christ Consciousness what is the numerical value of the frequency of Truth we can look it up there really is you can look up the resonant frequency

Desiree Noelof truth plus love which is Christ consciousness technically it has a number Consciousness it has it has a number you can look it up what's the number I don't know it off the top of my head it's not really important to me what's important where can I look up the

Andrew WilsonChrist Consciousness number you can easily Google it yourself yeah but I'm asking where like where would I look that information up

Desiree Noelfor Christ conscious go Google why would you what is the vibrational frequency of authenticity that's what it is oh did you show the whole thing or how long was it I don't

Brian Atlasknow all right uh so moving on going over here to Emily right okay you

Emilydescribe yourself as liberal kind of um like I'm just not like um what do you call it the opposite of liberal like the conserv yeah I'm just not

Emilyconservative so you're moderate um I guess I'm just like cuz my grandparents I grew up them for like like five years I was in Nebraska for 5

Emilyyears before I was here and they're very conservative and I just did not like the way like yeah that's what made me like not like conservative that much and you

Emilyalso described yourself as a feminist is that correct um I said yes in the chat cuz I didn't really know so was like yeah but I don't think so but do you

Brian Atlasbelieve in a in moving towards egalitarianism and getting rid of assuming assuming it exists a

Brian Atlaspatriarchy no so you're in favor of the patriarchy yeah you that would mean so then you're not that would mean that you're more conservative yeah you would definitely have conservative beliefs

Brian Atlasthen okay all right you also dated I don't know if I want to go with these topics but uh you did have a crazy X not going to bring the first one up but I don't even know if I want to bring the

Alexsecond one up yeah cuz they're they're pretty crazy okay all right well all right uh so not a feminist then no so then what do you mean like you're

Alexin favor of patriarchy like in what way um I don't know actually I really don't know okay she doesn't know I just don't know are you meaning it like you you

Brian Atlasappreciate male leadership more from that like you appreciate in some ways yeah in some ways do you think there anyways okay I'm going to move it on um

Brian Atlasjust show of hands uh who here considers themselves a feminist show of hands only one okay cool we can get to that a little bit later uh moving on

Brian Atlasover to Ashley here you said you're conservative traditional but you were extremely liberal in your past is that correct and so what made you switch up um well yeah when I was going to

Ashley Paolacollege I was taking like a bunch of gender classes and cuz I was going for sociology and so I really fell into like the whole feminis you were a sociology major yeah okay yeah and I stepped away from that but what changed it really was

Ashley Paolajust um going out in the real world and just kind of seeing how things really worked and um I also became Christian and so I think naturally you just kind

Ashley Paolaof see it's very black and white very different liberal is just very just and do you uh and was a man responsible for

Ashley Paolathis uh move to Christianity no no so I was born again in 2018 um well I was with someone that he introduced me to the Bible um but not I

Ashley Paolaguess which which denomination are you um I guess you would say more like charismatic Pentecostal wait what's is I'm not familiar with charismatic so we believe in like the the Holy Spirit

Ashley Paolaspiritual gifts um speaking in tongues healing praying um holy spirit all do you speak in tongues or yes are can can we get a demo is that possible or I mean they

Backgroundable to do it on what do you mean don't they do it in front of yeah like T evangelist um I would prefer not to cuz there should be an interpreter yeah that's oh okay interpreter okay um well I mean that that's not part of the

Ashley PaolaPentecost tradition it doesn't have to be an interpreter go go ahead um okay does it just come to you uh it's my prayer language I guess I could technically you're right yeah I could technically no no no I'm just answering

TTS Readerto Andrew like it's basically because we're not in a church setting I could do it um it's a prayer language so I Detective Mike Hunt donated

TTS Reader$200 red shirt most a meetings start at 700 p.m. you should probably head to 1 think I got the timeone mathri Kentucky okay we have another one that's about to come in do you want to respond

Danielle (D)to Mike Hunt they got me he got me [ __ ] um in his own dick tonight for your opinion and

TTS Readerum I you know donated $200 to the oscillation which you anthropomorphize the second law of

TTS Readerthermo mercifully stop also someone John travol to red shirt with Eon and what is the ax Jackson oh man that he's he's

Brian Atlasreferencing the pul the film Pulp Fiction John trol takes a [ __ ] adrenaline that's the what's it called that's the best you want to take an axe to me no it's I think I think he had it

Desiree Noelright I think isn't it isn't it a an epinephrine shot maybe I'm wrong it's the it's an adrenaline shot yeah that restarts your heart cuz he overdoses on drugs right what's the what's called it's an epip pen it's like a it's like an epip pen like an adrenaline shot no but what's the name of the needle

Brian Atlasthere's a specific name for the needles the epen is it hyper hyper Dural or Hy hyp I don't know what it is like ative no what's the name for the actual tool

Danielle (D)that's I'm just I'm syringe yeah he takes a syringe pounds it in the chest Dam into um Thurman's chest that's a great movie good well if I could be Uma

Brian AtlasThurman then like by all means Kill Bill over here okay get it girl all right uh I don't even know where we were oh we okay Ashley right so okay uh and curious

Ashley Paolaso you said you were uh born again do you consider yourself like born again virgin or just born yeah I mean so physically yeah no I'm not a virgin um but I recommitted to waiting till

Andrew Wilsonmarriage yes I see I know you love this nice yeah good for you well I mean but you you understand why um it's silly the the kind of um I'm

Andrew Wilsona I'm a a born again virgin that there's a certain connotation that specific women like to use in order to essentially use that as a cope right like I mean you you realize that that

Ashley PaolaI'm not saying you are but I'm saying you said use it as a what cope oh okay no like I don't I don't expect for people to really or men to look at me as

Ashley Paolalike a true version or virgin like that's not reality but spiritually born again yes like I recommitted so yeah I understand yeah I know you understand

Brian Atlasbut yeah and I'm curious I uh do you have uh like a Ministry I do okay and oh no yeah yeah uh I'll Andrew I'll I'll

Brian Atlaslet you come in on this in just a moment um and so with with your your ministry are you preaching to to both men and women or um I mean I'm on YouTube so I

Ashley Paolasay I say sis a lot though I think naturally I just geared towards women um but I get the whole women shouldn't be leaders and all that I and here's the

Ashley Paolathing naturally I don't when a woman is on stage like as a as a um like a I'm not against it I know there's two different schools of thought when it

Brian Atlascomes to that biblically like I get that but I I believe that women still have a part in the church sure well Andrew um you know I'm not particularly religious but you know doing my my own research

Brian Atlaseven as somebody who's not religious my understanding of Christianity is that uh among all denominations even Protestant non-denominational that is a heresy uhy

Desiree Noelyes that's correct it's incorrect some some denominations have split even Protestant it's well but I'm saying like for example the United any church that

Desiree Noelsays United typically they have a more liberal view of things and so they have even Saddleback Church is technically part of the Southern Baptist convention and they now have allowed um Rick Warren

Ashley Paolastep down and wait do you have a Ministry too don't they all clar clarify what you mean by that clarify what you mean by that we were called to be ministers yeah

Ashley PaolaI mean the Great Commission is to pre to teach to heal and to cast out demons and I do so yes I do consider my I'm really curious though what why are you feel so

Andrew Wilsonlike let down isn't that the Great Commission we're all disciples right uh no no it's not so only men are disciples no that's not what I said chill out and

Andrew WilsonI'll explain it to you um when you get when you get to the original Apostles um who became Bishop in Christ Church were any of them female can I say something cuz I

Andrew Wilsonactually study this I didn't hear you what the original apostles who became Bishops were any of them female no why not I'm not sure it's actually not sa

Ashley Paolanor am I saying that I need to be a a preacher or I need to be a pastor I'm just a witness I am but what what what did Paul say about women

Andrew Wilsonleading in the church what did Paul say he said us being quiet is that what you're talking about he said no he said specifically in multiple places uh that women were not allowed to

Andrew Wilsonhave leadership positions in the church now when you're talking about a woman's part in church I don't disagree I think that women do have a very important role in the church it's just not as clergy and it's never been as I'm not against

Ashley Paolathat like I'm not here wanting to be a pastor um I I hold Bible study that's because there's and it's really is really supposed to be a measure and I

Ashley Paoladon't create the curriculum I go based off of a pastor's curriculum a church curriculum that's handed and passed down to us and so it's not to me I'm really just holding space with other as a

Ashley Paoladisciple as a witness with other disciples that are looking to get in the word of God to talk about God but I don't need to be on stage calling doing altar calls at a church yeah so a priest

Andrew Wilsonis an embodiment of Christ on Earth and Christ embodied as male you do have a warm sense that's why I mean that's so so women women cannot be the embodiment of Christ that would be men only that is

Desiree Noelthe question that's not actually what the doctrine was ever even about but just FYI because I studied all of this you did yeah so what was the what was the first Cod the when when they

Desiree Noeldiscussed this tell me what it's called the whole principle of women not speaking in church had nothing to do with the fact that women didn't embody fully Christ or God it was a protective measure because men like you are

Desiree Noel[ __ ] and it's a protective measure so that men would speak in public I'm just saying I mean you don't have to take it personally it is what it is okay just avoid ad Haman in the tax so because we live in a patriarchal society

Desiree Noeland the Bible was written in a patriarchal society to protect women it's a protective measure men don't listen to women it's much better if the woman goes to her own partner her own

Desiree Noelhusband her own brother who's the minister and gives the message to him of what's on her heart and he filters it through his man speak whatever you want to say and he goes and presents it

Desiree Noelbefore the men that way he takes the flak on himself for it so she doesn't have to deal with that emotionally it's a protective measure women are very sensitive emotionally we were not made

Desiree Noelto handle all these criticisms coming at us that was supposed to be the setup it was never supposed to be we're not equal to we're not worthy we don't have important things to say it wasn't

Andrew Wilsonsupposed to be that way the patriarchy got convoluted over time so I'm going to try this again I I'll just ask you the same question maybe you can answer it did Jesus Christ embody as a man or a

Desiree Noelwoman Jesus Christ yeah he embodied as a man and came to tell us that all of us have the same so he embodied embed and I'm embodying Christ Consciousness now

Desiree Noelas a woman how come how come he didn't embody is a woman because he just answered that particular call and he happened to have a penis born to him I have a Vina and I have the same call he

Andrew Wilsonjust happened he just he it could have been either he just happened the God just happened I believe because of the nature there no actual messaging behind that very dangerous for women to live back it was very dangerous for women to

Andrew Wilsonlive back then okay okay well hang on hang on I just want to I just want to make sure that we're clear on this very quickly you think that Christ embodied as a man just because it was

Desiree Noelfun it was funsies for him no because it was the safest way for a personified it was the safest way it was

TTS Readerbecause if he was a woman if he was a woman made it 2 plus two please shut the [ __ ] up this is wild I've never heard

Andrew Wilsonany I mean this is um you don't even have a grounding epistemology for this so what is your actual epistemology for church doctrine who are you you don't even know

Andrew Wilsonwhat I you don't even know what I just said like I don't you don't even know what I just said what is your epistemology church doctrine you know do you know what Jesus came to

Desiree Noelpromote okay let's stop I can't wait to hear what he came he I no I asked you what do you believe Jesus came here Christ came to give us a church he said

Desiree Noelso himself Christ said he came to give us a church body is the church the body the body is the church I'm what now the

Andrew Wilsonbody the body body what is the church so therefore this is the church you have you're making a word concept fallacy because you don't have any grounding epistemology so you don't really

Andrew Wilsonunderstand what you're talking about you've heard the term uh that we make up the body of the church but a marriage a marriage for instance is a representation of Christ being the head

Andrew Wilsonof that church and uh you being the body of the church that's why the man yes is in the leadership role inside of that Union so if that's the case then he must

Andrew Wilsonhave embodied as a man for a reason so what is your grounding epistemology a better question would be do you even know do you even know what epistemology means can you just start with that can you tell me what that

Desiree Noelmeans I will answer your questions when you answer this question just answer what doesy I'm not answering your question you have no idea what it even means I

Desiree Noelneed to understand the frame of mind that you're in so I have to ask you some clarifying questions do you agree do you if you don't know what epistemology means it's not a shot against you I'll

Desiree Noeltell you what it means you just need to be honest and say Andrew I don't know what it means and I'll just tell you you just need to be honest and say I don't want to answer your question desire because it might BR that I don't want to deal with I've been sitting here answering them so can I ask you a

Brian Atlasquestion you yeah do you but first answer do you know what emology me not no I'm not answering unless you're answering my question Andrew just here ask your question just okay ask your question then Andrew gets to ask his

Desiree Noelhe'll answer yours you'll answer his go ahead yeah go ahead okay do you have some sort of problem with seeing

Andrew Wilsonyourself as the current embodiment of God yeah okay what's the problem well it depends on how you mean it embodiment that's why I'm asking for example you

Andrew Wilsonsaid you're in a marriage yeah so the example is I would say that a priest would be an an embodiment as in you told me you said question answer your

Andrew Wilsonquestion so I would see a priest as a representation or an embodiment I think in the context you're using it that's what I would see as an embod hang on let

Andrew Wilsonme finish the answer that's what I would see as an embodiment now I just answered your question specific [Music] ially $ we get right has to figure out

TTS Readeryour frame of mind Andrew so she can figure out how much to charge you in order to answer your question totally true totally now I just answered your question can you tell me what epistemology means epistemology is the study of the

Desiree Noel[Laughter] Epistles that's the simplest way to say it I mean you can give me your definition but this guy told me that a

Desiree Noelhusband and wife is supposed to be the representation of God and the church he said he's a husband I asked him if he sees himself as the embodiment of God

Brian Atlasand he said no that doesn't make any sense wait what is the Epistles the Epistles are the the apostles are you talking about the apostles what can you I you you use the word Epistles what are

Desiree Noelthe Epistles he said what is epistemology yeah no what are the epist you said you use the word Epistles right are you talking about Apostles just say it in common language yeah

Andrew Wilsonandrewy py is just the study of how we know knowledge okay well that's what it means it has nothing to do with with pistols what are you talking about when I'm asking for your grounding

Andrew Wilsonepistemology I'm asking where do you get your grounding foundation for the knowledge you know that's important when we're talking about theology because hang on it's important when we're talking about our grounding for theology

Ashley Paolathat we would call that grounding epistemology why are we getting into this any you had something go ahead go ahead Ashley go ahead um what I was going to say is I agree with you Andrew like I believe

Ashley Paolathat there are roles that are for in like leadership that are for men but the way I look at my Ministry or what I do is like the woman at the well when she

Ashley Paolamet Jesus and Jesus called her out and basically told her her past and she met she had an encounter with Jesus and then it says in the in the Bible that she went out and started started telling the

Ashley Paolaworld like what happened and she started talking about Jesus and that's the same framework I'm in and another like let's take away the podcast that I do which is just sitting down talking to people

Ashley Paolaabout their testimony with God I have a Ministry offline where it's just going to go meet the needs of seniors and then showing them the love of God I mean to me why would that only be yeah I think

Andrew Wilsonif you're talking about maybe things like um like I do Bible study with uh with other girls or uh you know I do kind of Outreach or something like outes and stuff like that I think that that might be different

Andrew Wilsonthan having a position of church Authority and that's what we're talking about when we're talking about women and Leadership roles right so and I we're talking hang hang on hang on and when we're talking about Ministry I think it

Andrew Wilsondepends because I think that if you have a Ministry it depends on the context are you in a church leadership role because you've created your own church that's where we start to kind of dive into are

Ashley Paolayou clergy or not right right yeah no so I'm I'm submitted under a church and any of the Bible study content that I get is from the church that are from males I do

Brian Atlashave to move things on uh you also wanted to talk about uh so you're I sex out of marriage so I assume you're waiting until marriage is that correct

Brian Atlasyes I recommitted to waiting for marriage okay and recommitment with a Fai based faith based Foundation feminism is a scam uh well I don't know

Brian Atlasif there's much to go on in terms of the sex out of marriage stuff but it's my understanding that prior to you uh being born again prior to you finding Christ uh you were having sex out of marriage

Brian Atlasis that correct yes it was all right and that's a new commit and the current guy you're dating are you guys aligned on that cool cool you do have a disagreement with the show you said I missed the times where there would be

Brian Atlasother men on the podcast that would hold higher respectable masculine energy uh do you care to elaborate on that yeah I mean actually Andrew's not doing too bad

Ashley Paolatoday I actually I feel like he's not having a tone where it's just so degrading and like talking to everybody like we're stupid but um like I feel like before you guys would have like Michael nolles or just other leaders

Ashley Paolathat would just be able to give their input and it was very valuable and they would teach stuff and it and again Andrew you're doing great um nothing against you but I just miss when there was more male figures because I think it

Ashley Paolaadds to the conversation to where we're able to have more perspective from instead of just a bunch of girls can I can I give you my counter here if you don't mind so of course I tend to match energy with people right so if um like

Andrew Wilsonyou saw the gal over here she called me an [ __ ] right I had said anything to her I didn't call her any names nothing like that we were in the middle of having an exchange and AR we were in the middle of having an argument but the

Andrew Wilsonreason she said that is because she didn't like my tone right there's a there's a lot of tone policing that happens with women I don't like how you're saying a thing right it upsets me how the thing's being said not

Andrew Wilsonnecessarily what's being said yeah and so I tend to match energy so when you and I are having the conversation you're honestly we're we're having an intellectual exchange and we're H okay

Andrew Wilsonhang on a second let this go through no you're good it's it's under the thr um so so for we having that exchange I'm really just kind of interested in the worldview and the data right so the way I think of it is you're trying to give me the information you're trying to dump

Andrew Wilsonthe information you got extra amount of time on this podcast you're trying to get that information out of your mouth as fast as possible and I'm trying to hit you with questions and the reason is is because I want to get more info right

Andrew Wilsonas much as I can get so I have a good overview of the things you think before we can start the exchange so sometimes what will happen is I'll cut a person off and say wait wait wait you got to back up because I want to get to this

Andrew Wilsonwider idea so I understand your worldview better now people who are experienced in and their experienced in discourse understand that that's necessary or else we can't really have kind of that overview overarching

Andrew Wilsondiscourse that you want but what you've seen and even tonight right if if a woman becomes a [ __ ] if she starts acting like a [ __ ] then um then I'll match that energy and treat them exactly

Andrew Wilsonhow they're treating me back right that's what I'll do so um the the thing is though is that as long as you are are not doing that why would I do it why would I do it to you yeah and so I think

Andrew Wilsona lot of times that's what it seems like but but you miss kind of this critical context of the buildup to it yeah well I was going to say I mean I'm not I'm not going to get too comfortable I feel like the second half of the show

Andrew WilsonOnce you get all the information that's when you start coming at us maybe I'm wrong sometimes sometimes but the the thing is is um it like again it just misses kind of key context right um I usually only match

Andrew Wilsonenergy but it's so fun it's so fun to do it that way okay I mean I agree I'm fine with that Andrew likes the blood Sports debates uh okay so moving on to and

Andrew Wilsonremember think of it too like a sign of respect right I don't think of you as less than me which is why I treat you exactly how I would treat a man who is sitting exactly where you

Andrew Wilsonwere I mean that I couldn't think of a better way to show respect than that Andrew does go hard on on the dudes on the

Desiree Noeldudes that's the only reason I was did to Wes Watson he no I that I have nothing against you I think it's fun I think it's fun Andrew it was not a personal thing it's just locker room

Desiree Noeltalk it's like let's get together shoot the [ __ ] debate is fun it's fun I don't give a [ __ ] I don't have to go home and [ __ ] you stop it get some help uh going

Brian Atlasto going to you uh and how how do you pronounce your name it's Kwan Kwan Kwan uh do have you ever dated the white guy just curious I went on a date with my

Brian Atlasfirst white guy like two months ago and is this the guy who you told me about in the pre-show notes the the whole stomach licking oh no so okay that's somebody

Kwan Clarkelse no so there was a guy I dated back in 2020 um it was on our first on our first date um he's also into fitness so the first date was to go to the gym so right when we got to the gym the moment we got there I noticed that this girl

Kwan Clarkthis girl across the way she's very pretty and then he noticed her and he's like oh you thought you were the only one huh I was like what are you talking about he's like look at her butt and I I was like e you're really checking out a girl right in front that's not a it's

Kwan Clarknot even done yet and then while we were working out I got sweaty so he licked my stomach oh and then he was telling me about his penis size was it sexy like and he was attractive so that's why I

Kwan Clarkwasn't like oh my God but it was it was just a bad first date yeah and I talk he just kept his mouth shut right take a class take a dating 101 and

Brian Atlasliterally after him I didn't date for years oh God oh my goodness because of his liing of your sweat that is so gross and you were also recently talking to a guy and you found out he lives in your

Kwan Clarkbuilding with his oh yeah so there was a guy that I was uh talking to through one of the dating apps and he told me he wanted something serious he wanted monogamy and he didn't have any kids he wanted kids and then we had like a taco

Kwan Clarkthing that happened on our complex by the pool and I saw him in the pool with his kids with his girl right there oh my go on our comp Rec happened to me is why I recommend the way I do things to be

Desiree Noelhonest what what is the way you do things just just how you shoot it straight with guys and you put them through these tests of their characters I'm telling you they're

Desiree Noelplaying harder games on us ladies we that's the only way to be safe in this Society to be honest you have to give them a dose of their own medicine

Desiree Noelhonestly [ __ ] sucks that's why I would love to see it change but until it

Brian Atlasdoes come on Nick it's okay my kids I have three kids they hate me too so so you had uh let's see going back to you maybe I'll wait on the polygamy thing when when she's back you said your best

Brian Atlasfriend is a guy and we've been friends for 16 years and you think that uh oh you disagree that it's not possible to be best friends with a straight guy yeah cuz me and my friend Cory like we've been friends L since we were 14 we've

Kwan Clarknever once kissed we don't even hug each other we think it's I don't want to say the word but we think it's like gross to even hug each other we hugged each other one time in our whole friendship and that was when we were on Fear Factor we moved on to the next round we were excited oh oh you were on Fear Factor

Brian Atlasokay that's cool uh 23 wait and does he does he have a girlfriend no he doesn't I don't know if you're I don't know if you're down to try this out would you be willing to text him right now and be

Brian Atlaslike hey listen I've been thinking about you we can we can figure out the precise way to actually like but I think I've been I've got feelings for you uh do you feel the same

Madisonway what was the what was the way that we figured this what was the best phrasing for this question it was so complicated we we just told a girl to text him and be like oh like do you want

Kwan Clarkto hang out and snuggle that have you ever thought about being more would you be I see I see him as my brother he's my brother would you be down to text him I can does he know you're on here though he does oh maybe he's not watching he's

Kwan Clarknot watching hi if yeah test it out he might know though yeah if he knows that you're coming on no it's the it's the we'll do it we're going to do this test the blue iPhone with my dog on the screen yep that one

Brian Atlasthis is a great idea but let me ask you so while while Nick is getting the phone and while we get this text in here I'll pass this down there uh so so what's the tech before you send it what's precisely

Brian Atlasthe message that we're having her send out she has to make it sound like her what was it Nick uh have you ever thought about being more than just friends that's good I think that's good that's true yeah just keep it have you

Ashley Paolaever thought about being more than just friends I feel like if you guys once you get a relationship going though or he gets a girlfriend things are going to change the dynamic will change like so right now it may feel like it's like

Ashley Paolait's possible to be friends but cuz I had the same situation I had two guys that I grew up with all the way for like 16 years but then now they're both married and it's naturally you just there's that separation there's that

Ashley Paolarespect that happens but up until they were for real dating like yeah we were super close and it was like oh we're going to be friends forever but that just doesn't really happen in like a marriage I I personally believe yeah it's just been 16 years and you would

Kwan Clarkthink within those 16 years something would have happened some fondling something guys are in a committed relationship we're best friends I talked but you're not in a marriage or are you in a you're not in committed in

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