The Most INSANE Show Ever?! FERAL CHAOS PANEL?! 2+24?! She EXTORTS Men?! | Dating Talk #169

Date: 2024-06-12

Duration: 8h 46m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDesiree Noel >

AAshley Paola >

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Kwan Clark(guest)

SPEAKER_05Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_07Alex(guest)

SPEAKER_09Desiree Noel(guest)

SPEAKER_10Jessica(guest)

SPEAKER_12Danielle (D)(guest)

SPEAKER_13Ashley Paola(guest)

SPEAKER_14Emily(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDesiree explains transactional dating: sets price for male access to her time based on their 'vibe'; example of charging rent (~$2700) for a date/night

“if I know that's what he's coming at me with I set the price for judging on his character where he's at in life his Vibe”

QuoteAlex discloses she is in a committed relationship with a 53-year-old man who has a terminal pancreatic illness; they met when he noticed her walking with a cane at a movie theater

“he has a terminal illness so terminal is it cancer or no it's a pancreas thing so he doesn't have too long to live”

QuoteDesiree admits it's the same energy exchange as prostitution: 'we call it whatever you want... it doesn't matter'

“it's honestly not it's the same type of energy exchange we call it whatever you want I have no taboo about it”

QuoteBrian mocks Terence Howard quotes about Flower of Life and wave conjugations, feeding them to Desiree who partially agrees with the pseudoscience

“he was able to open up the Flower of Life properly and find the real wave conjugations”

ControversyAndrew challenges panelists on their self-ratings: claims none are 8s, compares them to Scarlett Johansson in her prime as benchmark for 8.

“not even one who's an eight”

QuoteDesiree's hostile pre-show DMs read aloud: 'I'm above needing to answer your certain questions, just book me on your fucking show'

“I am above needing to answer your certain questions just book me on your fucking show and let's go”

ControversyAndrew reveals he secretly recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian and that Brian 'didn't know who he was fucking with'

“you said behind the scenes that you wanted Revenge that you wanted to get some guys and that Brian didn't know who he was fucking with”

QuoteDesiree discloses children's photos and explicit OnlyFans content are on same Instagram account; defends it as no shame around sexuality

“I don't believe that human sexuality is anything wrong in my book there's nothing wrong with it I celebrate sex”

ControversyAndrew uses logical conditionals to force Ashley to concede men are primary victims of war; Ashley reluctantly agrees.

“it would stand to reason then that men were the primary victims of war is that the argument Brian”

Topics Discussed

Guest introductions (name/age/location/occupation)

Each guest introduces themselves. Danielle (D) CEO foot fetish business NJ/NYC; Desiree Noel sex coach SoCal 38; Alex multimedia artist 26 Russian-born; Emily 18 Pahrump NV unemployed; Ashley Paola 29 IE medical sales; Jessica 25 Hawthorne student/mom; Kwan Clark 30 San Diego waitress; Andrew Wilson The Crucible host.

Relationship status round

Each guest shares current relationship status and longest relationship. Desiree explains transactional dating philosophy at length. Alex discusses age-gap relationship with terminally ill 53-year-old partner. Emily is 3 weeks into new relationship. Ashley in talking stage with 43yo man.

Desiree's transactional dating/sex work model

Extended debate over Desiree charging men for her time/company (rent = ~$2700 SoCal). Discussion of whether this constitutes prostitution. Desiree insists it is legitimate business/energy exchange. Panel challenges her on tax implications, ethics, and consistency.

Polyamory vs monogamy debate

Alex and Desiree defend non-monogamous structures. Andrew Wilson argues for monogamy as healthy norm. Extended debate on jealousy as healthy vs. toxic, value of commitment, and what 'going with the flow' means.

Vibration/frequencies/New Age philosophy debate

Desiree explains 'low vibration' men, quantum physics as applied to dating, epigenetics as 'vibrational transfer'. Andrew challenges scientific validity. Brian invokes Terence Howard quotes. Discussion of Anunnaki, gravity as effect vs. force.

Women's laws / society / religion debate

Panel discusses why major societies have historically restricted women's behavior. Ashley gives Biblical perspective (male leadership/God-ordained structure). Andrew uses 'wait till your father gets home' example for male ontological authority.

Prostitution is it good or bad

Andrew poses law of excluded middle: is prostitution good or bad? Desiree says it is good for her personally. Andrew presses: she is 'a lot of hooker'. Panel asked to raise hands if prostitution is good.

Ratings round (looks self-assessment)

Brian asks each guest to rate their looks 1-10. Most guests rate themselves 7-8. Andrew sarcastically claims 11. Desiree rates herself 8 then walks it back to 'solid 3' on Scarlett Johansson scale. Extended debate on objectivity of beauty standards.

Desiree's DMs / pre-show confrontation meta-discussion

Brian reads Desiree's hostile pre-show DMs aloud ('I'm above answering your questions, just book me'). Panel reacts. Desiree explains she was 'on a mission' and didn't know who Brian was. Andrew reveals he recorded Desiree backstage saying she wanted 'revenge' on Brian.

Body count round

Brian asks each guest's body count. Danielle: 7. Desiree: ~50-100 (lost virginity at 13). Alex: 8-10. Emily: 5-10. Kwan: under 10. Andrew: 10-12 intercourse (more if counting oral). Discussion of whether body count matters.

Primary victim of war (men vs women)

Final debate: who is the primary victim of war — men or women? Ashley argues women/children left behind are primary victims due to domino effect. Andrew uses logical conditionals (preference for abandonment over death) to show men have it worse. Ashley eventually concedes men are primary victims under Andrew's logic.

Closing call to action / wrap-up

Brian asks Desiree and Danielle if they'd stop sex work. Desiree says no; Danielle says she'd wait until she has a husband. Final shoutouts, raid to esfandTV, Andrew's channel promotion.

Transcript

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Desiree Noelof girls would [ __ ] me like you don't understand the only guys who are paying any sort of rent are men had whole relationships with me I know but but the point is that you started off this whole

Desiree Noelconversation saying that you only give time to men if they're giving you something okay but it's not always money it's not always money it it could like for example the reason why for example

Desiree Noelum I would go for example just to get to know you better because I appreciated your humility and correcting your mistakes and your conversation skills I'm not saying we'd sleep together I'm

Desiree Noelnot saying any there would be ever any money or I would expect him to pay for my meal I'm simply saying human to human he is a person wouldn't mind getting to know a little better that's all so would you give up your only fans for a good

Desiree Noelman of course I would of course I would if he really wasn't comfortable doing it but what's the difference between that and the best friend what do you mean the best friend the best friend

Ashley Paolasorry but like so you would say no to your only fans if for your man but but then why why were you so against the the saying no to your because we're talking

Ashley Paolaabout a job in a way that I make money versus a relationship that's different values who what the hell is that it's you know toally people versus money but you extort people so you can't say you

Brian Atlasvalue people everybody extorts people no that's not true it is true we have some Instagram I think I don't know if these are those the ones I'm looking uh we we'll do it later uh well actually really quick [ __ ] it why not guys if you're watching if you're watching on

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Brian Atlasprime sub if you have one got almost 2K viewers on on Twitch guys if you got a Twitch account drop us a little follow in the chat guys it's been 10 minutes since we've had a prime sub it's probably bugged so maybe one of you guys could just like do a little test and

Brian Atlasmake sure like you know the I think the the woke overlords over at twitch they probably like might have tried to disable the Prime oh there it is Yo loer thank for the prime bleeding honey thank

Brian Atlasfor the Prime skeley thank for the tier one uh appreciate guys Wes uh Lance 70 thank you for the prime dude you guys are legends thank for the follow thank you for the follows guys appreciate it and then whoever just came in there you

Andrew Wilsoncan hide that Nick okay got to send those over it's almost a combined almost a combined 15K we would sure and yeah yeah we sure would appreciate it if you would sub

Andrew Wilsonover on Twitch uh whatever's trying to grow that um so if you guys can get over from The Crucible audience than give that sub give that sub over it's been a

Andrew Wilsongreat panel uh it's been very spirited uh of course I blame the girl in red it's all her fault she started all of this hey he's kid uh thank you for the

Brian Atlas10 gift to Duran uh and then Nick we're going to pull up some of her Instagram posts I don't have the specific story it's uh not loading on my end there are so many Instagram stories but uh we'll

Brian Atlasreact to a couple of your Instagram stories just pull up the first one I

Brian Atlasguess so wait hold on uh make it one bigger please Nick okay here we go all right so before you play it can you read

Desiree Noelthe description yeah so I said my favorite thing is to be compensated and taken care of for the value my sexy energy brings a person that way I can

Desiree Noeltake good care of myself and my kids and still stay a very feminine authentic woman I am really learning the art of receiving and going with the flow for the sake of my own good I've spent years

Desiree Noelin the feminist trap to of trying to prove my worthiness beyond my beauty and at the end of the day people keep wanting to pay me for pictures and

Desiree Noelvideos of my sexy ass way more than they want to pay me for any of my graduate level content and at and this year I am surrendering to that taking the path of

Brian Atlasleast resistance well um resting more turning into myself healing my nervous system it's okay it's okay and did you refresh it Nick before you no refresh it just do a

Desiree Noelrefresh uh audio these days money um I have a little H cash [ __ ] a

Desiree Noellittle hooker in me I don't know how you want to say that but it's just a primal obviously drive to provide for myself and my kids um I just love it when men

Desiree Noelare generous with me and pay me um and that doesn't that doesn't mean that it has to be like a man I'm dating is like handing me all this money it could just mean guys compensating me

Brian Atlasappropriately honestly uh so that's really sad and one thing I noticed about that clip

Desiree Noeluh the whole well there's the cash [ __ ] thing you're also wearing a cross that's crazy when when you say that I just thought that was interesting yeah I do these little things on purpose because I'm trying to blend multiple different

Desiree Noelcont because to me a lot of the problems in society is this really black and white thinking and I'm trying to blend I'm trying to blend the idea that listen

Desiree Noelgirls I'm almost 40 I already got married had kids the whole thing I'm in a different phase of life now wait so you're trying to blend Christianity and being a cash [ __ ] no I'm just bling

Brian AtlasConcepts SYM but I asked you about the the cross that you're wearing and in the video you say you're what what perent something about being a cash [ __ ] and you're so you're trying to blend she she said she had a Brian she

Andrew Wilsondid say and I'm going to I'm going to make sure that this is in context for you she has quote a little bit of hooker in her yeah I do so you're trying to blend Christianity with being a little

Brian Atlasbit of a hooker I'm not blending Christianity I'm not saying you said the word blending you said the word blending blending Concepts symbols and right so you're blending so you're that because you responded to that because I asked you about the cross you're wearing which

Andrew Wilsonis a Christian symbol yes so I I'm a I'm a provocator I love it I love people com you uh blasphemy let me ask you let me ask you just a very question and and then if you

Andrew Wilsondon't mind um the gal in the back in the center surprisingly for for some odd reason even though she's a Pentecostal she's been kind of based this evening so I got I got to get her response to this

Andrew Wilsontoo but I I have to ask you this question are you familiar with the laws of logic honest answer you familiar with the laws of logic are you asking me or

Andrew Wilsonher or both no no to the to the uh to the blonde oh uh has a little bit of hooker in her my name my name's desire the hooker cash I'm sorry I'm sorry look I'm bad with names it's actually not an

Andrew Wilsoninsult towards you I'm just bad with Nam Desiree uh are you familiar with the laws of logic I'm not sure that I would understand fair fair enough fair enough

Andrew Wilsonno problem um one law is the law of excluded middle and so what this is saying is that a proposition is essentially either true or it's untrue it cannot be somewhere in the middle so when you say black and

Andrew Wilsonwhite I I'm not interested in black and white from a logician standpoint they are interested in actually what you would consider black and white which is either a proposition is true or it's not

Andrew Wilsontrue so I need to ask you specifically is being a prostitute good or is being a prostitute bad not so the

Andrew Wilsonpro the proposition is is being a prostitute good or is it being bad and using that second law the law of excluded Middle where we can't get into

Desiree Noelthe gray area is it good or is it bad for me personally every situation I get

Desiree Noelinto whether it's prostitution if we want to call it that or whatever I only do it because it feels good to me so to me it's good now that doesn't is good

Desiree Noelonly to me in the way that I do it because that we're only talking about you yes because it's it's different for everybody it might not feel good to you and so that would I'm very sorry I'm

Brian Atlasvery sorry to interrupt did you just say that prostitution feels good to you in the way that I do it yes it does otherwise I wouldn't do it if it didn't feel good to me what so then it's not a

Desiree Noellittle bit of hooker prostitution in your worldview good I wouldn't say in my worldview as if it's good for everybody I'm simply saying but it's good for you for me yeah

Andrew Wilsonit works for so then you're not a little bit of hooker you're a lot ofit a lot of bit of hooker a lot of bit of hooker okay I just wanted to make sure we got some clarification now I going around the table I just I just want to ask the

Andrew Wilsonsame question if and if you can just raise your hand is prostitution good if it's good raise your hand

Andrew Wilsonoh crazy sex work sex work might be a better way to say sex work people who raise their hands the people ra hang on hang on hang on just relax the people

Danielle (D)raise their hands are you prostitutes no if it's a consensual if it's a consensual thing between two adults like in Amsterdam and you want to do that and you're not hurting anyone else you're

Danielle (D)not doing it with underage children or anything like that and you guys want I understand I understand then I think that's perfectly okay I totally understand your position that's not what

Andrew WilsonI do that's not what I think is right what I why you raise your hand and then and then to the other gal the other gal who said yes uh are you a prostitute I

Alexam I'm not a prostitute but um have you ever done sex work um no I've not done sex work okay so then let me ask this

Alexquestion uh this is my quick just very quick followup if prostitution is good why don't you engage in it you just do

Alexit so it is good for specific situations I don't do it because I have chronic

Alexhealth conditions and because it is not good for me personally to engage with because I don't need that kind of

Alexexchange there let us asse for you did not have the chronic health conditions would you and you knew it would make you a lot of money would you do

Alexit um I've considered it um just because I I do erotic art and I do a lot of

Alexdifferent things wait wait hang on hang on back up what what is erotic art um

Alexwell I draw other models other people um in erotic um but artistic passionate and a very what does erotic mean in this

Alexsense does that mean they're having sex while you're drawing them um that happened yeah wow oh okay so so you have considered having sex while a person

Andrew Wilsondraws you I assume you consider that to be hang on I just want to make sure I get this right I can I assume you consider that to be prostitution no I don't consider that prostitution I mean no one's getting paid there and but if

Desiree Noelthey were would it be prostitution that would be more like porn and I call should do we call it sex work as a more pornography prostitution well that's what I'm saying let's call

Andrew Wilsonit sex work can we just switch the term well no I don't think so I don't think I'm going to give a pass we'll just call it sex work as though that's not prostit

AlexI yeah go ahead so so just to go off your you failed we tried um so so just to go off of your own Point um

Alexprostitution you know is one thing um and by law it is in some places illegal however porn you know wants to bring a camera into the picture it is perfectly

Alexlegal to do so which is why like in general prostitution I think is a good thing because it helps a lot of people psychologically get the release that

Andrew Wilsonthey cannot get from the majority of people seen the porn let us assume let us assume we're we're not talking about porn we're talking about Pros hang on hang on hang on I'm G to give her a chance to respond to all this by the way

Andrew WilsonI I really am but I just want to make sure we get this clear were it so that you could make a moral distinguish so not all laws are moral

Andrew Wilsonright can you make a moral delineation between having sex on camera for money versus having sex on the street for money there's not really a moral

Alexdelineation there right there is not and I do not think that that prostitution should be illegal in any way just like porn is not illegal just because there's

Alexnot that much distinction which is why combining it into the entire sex word com um combination and conversation wouldn't quite fed because prostitution

Andrew Wilsonis different from pornography only because of the law yeah only because of the law but not morally right but I yeah it's the same thing morally right yeah

Alexokay it's similar morally what's that it's similar morally because porn is also acting and a lot of people on there are doing it for the

Alexentertainment of other people who ask for it versus one one situation it's entertainment for the purpose of the person asking for it a lot of times it's

Alexfor therapeutic it's for the therapeutic purposes and for the what do you mean therape it's because certain people have different Kinks for example come on like

Desiree Noellet's be real okay of DJ J off but the thing is

Desiree Noelthat people's sexuality carries so much shame innately that they can't go they a lot of people feel they can't go and

Desiree Noelaccess those parts of themselves in any area of society except maybe with a sex worker or a pornography thing and so what I have loved about just let's just

Desiree Noelcall it what it is I love going to strip clubs because we just all know what we're here for there's no freaking guys lying to me and saying they want to marry me when they just want to sleep

Desiree Noelwith me it's just let's have a good time it's just on the table I think it's more ethical to be honest why is it more

Desiree Noelethical because it's it's a clearly expressed honest this is what you want this is what I have to offer this is how much it costs here we go versus again

Andrew Wilsonmany women we've all had these experiences with the lines with guys they take us on a date I don't understand wait hang on I hang on hang on I don't understand why that would be more ethical if the

Andrew Wilsondelineation hang on if the delineation line is just well uh he he says that he wants to go watch stripper uh you know strip and and I'm going with him why is

Desiree Noelthat somehow more ethical than if he tells you I don't want to go watch stripper strip with you I don't I don't get that I wasn't even saying that context I was saying as a human being when I enter a strip club especially me

Desiree Noelbeing a woman when I enter a strip club I feel a lot more safe than if I go for example to a concert or some other thing surrounded by guys who think that they

Desiree Noelcan come up to me and tell me whatever line to get whatever they want from me if I go to a strip club I know what these men are here for and I'm only here because I'm fine with it it's a safety

Desiree Noelbecause of the transparency and the honesty of everything's just out on the table of why we're all here versus all these deceptive little that's super weird though I don't actually understand

Desiree Noelthat if you're in a strip club do you think that women who work in strip clubs are more or less likely to be sexually assaulted than like a secretary they're they're actually a lot less likely because they actually have the street

Desiree Noelsmarts now I'm not talking about the women who are just so sheltered they don't actually ever get into any danger of course they're physically safer but let's say I'm a social work you think that prostitutes are less likely be

Desiree Noelsexually assaulted than secretaries I'm saying it's simply okay I'll put it to you this way if you drop a if you drop a secretary in the middle of the street in Long Beach cuz her car

Desiree Noelbroke down girl's not going to have a good time you drop a stripper she's good she streetart true I actually so do a

Andrew Wilsonli talk to these people all day every day hang on if secretary got dropped in Long Beach too late statistically she' be fine but if a secretary became a

Desiree Noelstripper the statistics of her getting sa dramatically increase same if she's in you're looking at the wrong variable you're blaming the sex work for the

Desiree Noeldanger it's not that she's putting herself in a situation where it's literally just men that do not respect them you know where I got abused the I'm trying to say something in the church okay oh for god well that's where I got

Andrew Wilsonabused the most okay the Church of course every sector in life has AB well it's really funny that you bring that up because in public school you're far more likely to be sa than if you're inside of

Madisona church isn't thatting in the church in my own home everywhere I've gone I felt the most safe in strip CL can you read this sex work is only good for the

Madisontrumpets and the devil imagine losing your soul your family your morals and your selfworth for someone to pay a stick PP in you or pay to stick a PP in

Madisonyou it's disgusting [ __ ] disgusting can you read this holy [ __ ] some women are worthy of their presence among other things they balance The

Madisonevolutionary nature of the man they bring peace Blondie that is not you you are everything but peace Andrew there's a little uh Speck on your microphone i'

Brian AtlasI've been noticing it all night I'm about to have a aneurysm a don't do Andrew you're killing me bro thank you

Madisonthank you thank you woo okay uh let me pull up these supers we have uh Maddie can you read this thank you for the Australian bro Brian I know I'm in the same room but I'm nervous to ask but let

Madisonme on the podcast man I want to debate as well also stop dirty talking to me behind cameras it's rude I'm boom exposed I have no idea what this talking

Brian Atlasabout kinky too all right uh the it's it's out there yes I okay anyways all right thank you a

Madisonposic thank you bro thank you for the Australian 200 what is that like a a Quant or some [ __ ] okay uh take you on a date I've never dated anyone for just

Madisonsex as a man I've only ever approached a woman with the intent to date yet afterward I'm the one who gets left behind because I'm so safe your logic is

Desiree NoelBS brown shirt damn because that's an exception though and I and I feel for that guy there's a lot of these nice guys that are are like that I'm not saying there's not it's just there's a

Brian Atlaslot that aren't so it's rough out here trying to sort through that's all I'm saying a lot of sort through a lot of sorting through you got to sort there's sorting there's a sorting proc there's a testing system you got to learn there's

Brian Atlasa sorting system get a got to sort very complic you got to do now oh we have another video Let's uh also yeah let's do go ahead play the other video uh can you try the copy and

Backgroundpaste I want to try to see if we can get Andrew on this is a really good one wait what what do you mean press on any of

Brian Atlasthem and then can you control yeah that's me so control click on Andrew and then drag him over to the other side yeah but a little up it it'll it

Desiree Noelshould be magnetic it's going to there you go okay uh all right go ahead play it going a real talk you right now ladies the reason they [ __ ] shame us is

Desiree Noelbecause once you be once a woman is fully empowered in her sexuality no shame is going to touch her she's fully confident she's a healthy grown ass

Desiree Noelwoman she's very selective with who who she shares her Sexual Energy with she knows she knows her body she knows what

Desiree Noelshe likes she never um disrespects her body I never disrespect my body but I do all of I what I do because that's where my [ __ ] wanted to go we have you know

Desiree Noelwhat I mean once you figure out though ladies that you can monetize [ __ ] in whatever way you whenever you need some money men

Desiree Noellose all their power over you cuz they got nothing sex will always sell there's a reason ladies now you don't [ __ ] the Wind You In The Wind Tunnel what the

Desiree Noelfuckes with guys what are you going to do I'm just just a real wait so you said monetize the [ __ ] but make that doesn't have to

Desiree Noelbe sex that could be you're essentially you're monetizing your feminine essence you really believe but but but hang on hang on real quick I just want to make sure how old did you say you were

Andrew Wilson38 38 M wo you really put you you put on the makeup man that looked like a different person literally that looked like a

Desiree Noeldifferent human being than the one who sitting in front of me right I'm not going to lie it looked like a different person it was the lighting was it was lighting I was out at the pool with my k was

Desiree Noelnot and it was a filter there was a filter on there I wasn't wearing makeup I was just out at the pool and I just quickly made this video it was windy the

Desiree Noelsound wasn't great the point was was not when when a woman gets to the point where no shame can touch her sexuality

Desiree Noelshe is free ladies that could mean that you become a model if you want or whatever but you're a in a sense you're owning your body you're owning your sexiness and you're okay with monetizing

Desiree Noelthat if you want you don't have to I'm not saying that I'm simply saying it's a very empowered place to be to know I mean I got you know bikini people

Desiree Noelsending wear these bikinis and we'll send you money and just take the pictures there's a lot of perks to just being specifically you're talking about men monetizing off of men specifically

Ashley Paolashe saiding anybody I I have women women actually you would be surprised I have a lot of female clientele I think it's fake Freedom though because you're just you're just

Ashley Paolayou're feeling your desires and it feels good right now and you I don't know what happened in your past where it's like you feel like you're now like coming getting your comeback but it's it's false it's not true Freedom you're a

Desiree Noelslave to sex you're a slave to having to sell your body to get something in sell my body I can I sell my body because it's [ __ ] F literally your whole I'm

Brian Atlassimply saying I I am liberated to do it time can you say that one more time just the way you said it okay I can't even remember you said you sell your body cuz

Desiree Noelit's [ __ ] fun is [ __ ] fun I told you I'm a prostitute it's you were not you were saying you were saying you weren't a prostitute because I was trying to help

Desiree Noelyou guys have a more liberated perspective but it wasn't going anywhere so fine I'm a prostitute we can call it that I don't give a [ __ ] yes I'm a

Desiree Noelprostitute I stand at the corner and I suck whatever dick pays the right price woohoo you guys found out a tell us more

Desiree Noelstop tell us more so do you okay no do you want to talk about blop tricks what you want us tell us more I want to hear more of the scope okay of the

Desiree Noelokay do I got a great idea I will tell you the one example of when it really was a true prostitution situation do you want to hear it okay so I love that

Desiree Noelstory okay it was so fun so I decided I'm just gonna try this I what is the big deal with the prostitution can I do it can I actually go [ __ ] a guy and just

Desiree Noelget the money right there okay so I met a man on whatever these sites where you meet the business guys whatever it was arrangements or something like that seeking Arrangements I think and um of

Desiree Noelcourse I vetted him I made sure you know I like the look I like the vibe he's respectable blah blah we arranged it beforehand we we pre-established a price

Desiree Noelhe's going to take me to this nice dinner I love steak da da da D very expensive dinner if things go well I'm happy to go to his house if I go to his

Desiree Noelhouse the price is going to be what the price is I said it to him well well how much was the price for the dinner it was just the dinner oh you just covered it was just like a normal dat so so how much was the price for the carinal

Desiree Noelknowledge after the carinal knowledge I mean a girl's got to have her Secrets no I'm just I'm just CU there's no secrets here this is a safe space you're just you're with the girls you're with the GS

Desiree Noelyou're with all right girls so this is what it was it was my rent it was my rent $2,700 woo that's expensive that desperate that's a lot of money wasn't desperate cuz I didn't have to go home with him I could have just had a nice

Desiree Noelmeal and went my way but I vibed with the man I like and I had never let me just real talk you my parents are very young they

Desiree Noelhad me like as teenagers so my parents are only like 57 this man was 56 I kind of had a little King I had never been with an older man like that close to my

Desiree Noeldad's Age We vibed the conversation went well I felt safe with him I felt respected I well you we don't have to well I I do I do just have a very very quick very

Desiree Noelquick follow point being he put the money in my purse when I went to leave and I was like what's this money for and he was he was laughing I forgot that that's what I was even doing because I had had such a good time that's such a

Desiree Noelwholesome prostitution Julia Roberts you were Julia Roberts yes I was it was fun I was living my best life it was a bucket lless thing it was a bucket L thing I

Andrew Wilsonget it I get it let me ask you a very quick followup hang on so do you consider yourself to be a truth teller yes is that that's a that is a thing

Andrew Wilsonwhich you consider yourself to be yes can't so I I just have to ask you this in truth would you recommend that most women follow your lifestyle I would not

Desiree Noelsay most no what about your daughter good to know my daughter would be fine living my lifestyle because I've trained her from the beginning of how to do it holy crap why would you know her

Desiree Noel[ __ ] I'm not saying she has to sell her [ __ ] I'm simply saying I am raising my daughters to feel empowered to make their money whatever way feels good emping all that's your

Desiree Noelopinion you know it's not emping guess what guess how bullied my daughters get because they're the it girls because your mom the mom is the prostitute no the kids have no idea what ient

Desiree Noelbut guess what I have empowered my daughters to come home and because they are all so little bad [ __ ] they're not holding on to their trauma they're not getting Eating Disorders when the girls are talking about their big asses

Desiree NoelI was getting Eating Disorders I was getting raped I was getting all these things well okay I was not being treated well because I was raised by the good mom who we don't do this and we don't do

Desiree Noelthat and that's not you think it's just cuz you made bad decisions you did that it's because I was literally we can't go into it it's I'm not talking about that part I mean like I'm not talking about that part I'm talking about like in general you've made bad decisions and

Desiree Noelnow you're telling your daughters to continue that those bad decisions what's wrong with you no I'm telling my daughters you are so [ __ ] valuable you put it to him that boy wants to talk

Desiree Noelto you bring you a necklace open your legs first to defend most things are taught not taught they're going to look at you

Andrew Wilsonvery quick because you're getting triggered because you know it's true hang hang on hang on stop stop stop stop stop for doing whatever they want to do you can't help yourself you need to calm

Andrew Wilsondown for a second just let me finish the followup the reason I asked the question here's the followup if you could prescribe to most women to be virtuous or for most women to act in a way that

Desiree Noelyou act where everything is transactional which would you prescribe in truth that's a complicated question I would

Andrew Wilsonsay to be honest that's crazy if I had advice for blanket to every woman now let me give you the question again yeah listen so that you understand it if you could prescribe that most women be

Desiree Noelvirtuous or most women follow a lifestyle like you follow or so virtuous ask question let ask the question virtuous meaning follows Chastity

Andrew Wilsontemperance all of the different what you might consider cardinal virtues will just make it easy or um philosophical virtues or they could follow your

Andrew Wilsonlifestyle of purely transactional based interactions with men which could lead to sex that pay their bills which would you recommend for most

Desiree Noelwomen I would recommend My Lifestyle for most women until we get to a different place in society where it would be safe for women to fall back into the more traditional way of being they're just

Jessicagoing to be dodging STDs for the rest of their life I mean this is a very simple abortion every two days no they'll never be able to form an actual connection yeah they're going to be too broken to even form an actual connection

Desiree Noelwith a really good man what what that's I mean you're right you guys py is actually a muscle so that's that's actually false a vagina is

Desiree Noela muscle I hate to break it to you it needs to have exercise gets very loose and not very

Andrew Wilsonfun listen that's not even true of female physiology that a vagina needs to be worked out by a bunch of that's ridiculous fought for this country this

TTS Readeris what I get to see I'm glad Andrew and Brian try but holy hell our baptism is you are made over enough standard anyway why do you think that a

Desiree Noelvagina needs to be worked out with penises why do you think that that's part of physiology that's ridiculous it doesn't have to be a penis she can do her keal exercises with weight she can

Andrew Wilsonhave her own orgasms that she can cause there's many ways to exerise vagina she can work out the entire bottom half of her body without ever doing masturbation

Andrew Wilsonanything hang stop she can do all of these things why do you think it requires any sort of masturbation penetration that's completely made up

Desiree Noelthe vagina is not going to go bad because you're not masturbating IT muscle it will atrophy you're actually WR some no I'm not

Brian Atlasactuallyy that was say that female nuns their vagina atrophy yeah their vaginas inside they get very numb they get very numb Andrew that's Andrew Andrew that's going to be our band name atrophy [ __ ]

Brian Atlasthat's our band name all I have to say is you guys obviously don't like vagina is going to be nums really the n there's a lot of what kind of music are

Andrew Wilsonwe doing Andrew Hard Rock you play guitar I'll do vocals uh I want Source this oh you remained a virgin your whole life your vagina doesn't work anymore

Brian Atlasmost insane that is the craziest I've ever heard in my life and I've heard a lot of them says the man who has a penis instead of a vagina but he's telling you vagina wait Andrew confirm or deny do

Andrew Wilsonyou have a penis Andrew confirm do you have a penis you have a vagina too we don't know about most doctors I'm sorry most doctors who work on women's vaginas are male and and you know that their success rate is much higher than that

Desiree Noeland they get and they make their money by telling us that we need them to fix something about our vagina cuz we can't just go figure it out ourselves they do have to fix things about your vagina they they would have to if every woman

Andrew Wilsonwas sexually liberated and understood her own body sexually liberated oh man like don't don't male doctors who are gynecologists fix your vagina I'm sorry I don't go to I don't go to gynecologist

Desiree NoelI don't subscribe to Western medicine gist I actually delivered my own babies I learned how to be a midwife and I actually my last baby I delivered her myself in my bathroom alone by myself and I also did my own prenatal care so I

Desiree Noelam not the typical woman that's why it gets annoying to get judged as if I'm just like a com I had a friend and she got to cut off surgery

Desiree Noelall right so hold on so so you don't take any was that the I did I did get an infected I got bit by a black widow three times

Desiree Noelin the same spot and my arm was starting to not do well with that so I did take an I'm very conservative I care and the reason I care is because who invented those antibiotics man

Ashley Paolawoman iPhone do you drive a car do you have a home like literally all built by men woman speaking against men I wasn't saying anything about I Wasing about en

Brian AtlasGPS system wait I have a question for you what uh I don't know if you you'd be down for this do you think we could get your previous like your husbands on the show do you think they'd be down to come on that interesting that would be a with

Desiree Noelyou like so you so they can't like so it's a conversation okay so they the last one that beat me obviously that's not a safe

Brian Atlassituation the one before that he we can we can handle [ __ ] he's still still very [ __ ] him up yeah would you okay no no no like I love that if he

Andrew Wilsonwere to attack you in the studio he's such a coward he would never even he's not going to come face to face this is not my request okay so I don't I don't care about any of that the first

Desiree Noelhusband is too conservative he wouldn't feel comfortable with these types of topics oh he the conservative love the whatever p no I'm just saying he's not comfortable fully with his own sexuality so these

Desiree Noelwould make him very uncomfortable and he wouldn't want to really engage Christian we'll keep it uh clean we'll

Desiree Noelkeep it clean if you're watching let us know hi Ian you know what I Ian I I have to say I do really appreciate my first

Desiree Noelhusband that I had the kids with I can understand and I have told him this many times it was at least 51% my fault that our relationship didn't work well because I

Desiree Noelreally you're kidding I never would have guessed look at that's growth that's growth that's growth I I I've I have you guys I know I come across as cocky but

Desiree Noelthat is genuinely because I have evaluated each each like I will apologize to you guys if after I'm like I was so rude I'll apologize I'd like an apology sometimes it takes a minute I am

Ashley Paolasorry I apology Su wait but so so why is it your fault why is it your or why was it your fault hang on hang on I got

Andrew Wilsonfor one second listen Brian is very partial if you want the best apology to bows if you could do a bow for Brian see I don't even want know that you are actually

Andrew Wilsonsorry oh Jesus not that kind of B that's a I will I will B like this I

Desiree Noeldon't care um but no you guys what was so toxic about that oh so because I had an agenda with the man I wasn't in love with the man you still

Desiree Noeldo that to this day though you have an agenda with men I do but when it comes to the men who I genuinely value and respect as human beings I have no agenda other than to get to know them that's

Desiree Noelall I didn't have that level of maturity when I was a young I was in my young 20 I had to grow into

Desiree Noelnot in a relationship that you're going to call a marriage your person that should never be a transactional thing so how many of those men are still in your life that you

Desiree Noelvalue and don't oh I have lots of I have lots of friends and stuff in my life men that I love I'm not talking about friends I'm talking about like uh romantic relationships what do you mean

Desiree NoelI used to do drugs I still do but I used to do mean what do I mean romantic relationships well I thought she said she didn't really have I'll tell you this my one friend

Ashley Paolawith with husband benefits right now I have one friend who has husband benefits and he has husband benefits because he's a great man what's husband benefits like you're [ __ ] what does that mean soen

Desiree Noelanybody no I actually don't sleep around cont a popular belief so you're with him what's your body count so you're with the guy I have no idea I don't count just going for I have no idea you do range range I honestly

Desiree Noelcouldn't tell you it could be okay I could give you a range it could be anywhere from 50 it could be a 100 I'm not really sure could be a thousand you no it wouldn't be a thousand I just

Desiree Noelhaven't even you guys I lived in the whole conservative life until only 5 years ago years that's lot of days to be getting for a woman I could be sleeping

Desiree Noeland here's the thing I go [ __ ] anybody I want you don't think that every time you sleep with someone you kind of lose a part of yourself no not at all that's such a misconception I gain know of but

Ashley Paolayou're not able to actually what is it the um like you're not able to actually Bond par bond with someone because you're just you're numb to it no that's not true because I don't sleep with people on that level

Desiree Noelisual what about the guy that you said that is so great why aren't you with him you say he's a great because kids are my kids are little just realistically there's not a

Desiree Noelcompatibility enough there I he of course the man would show your tummy Andrew the man would want to marry me he wants to he would want me in that way but I have the wisdom to know you're

Desiree Noelnot going to want to raise little kids again right now he's thinking with other parts I have to be the wisdom to say we'll have a great time together tits I'll help you essentially he's very

Desiree Noelstunted sexually okay he's very stunted sexually cuz he had a 20 cannot keep up I'm sorry so stuck on he sted it sexually

Desiree Noelbut he's a great man actually very similar okay you I think it's true I you know what I really I hold on MD read these two chats then we're going to go to the next top this trumpet is wild

Madisonafter the patriarchy builds their entire fantasy world they destroy men's lives and say it was at least 51% my fault also I lost to the matriarchy today sorry Bros GG next yo Stacy good to see

Madisonyou in the chat thank you for the message we have another one here from us sapper coming in in just a moment thank you love your channel hope to get out one day Andrew keep up the good fight Brian as a sapper I don't know what does that

Andrew Wilsonmean as a sapper what is hold ony sapper is a military term for somebody who sabotages walls or defenses

Brian Atlasthere you go so it's like bring down the US army engineer regimental motto is seon it is French Ford L try let us try well put uh

Brian Atlaswhat's what's the other thing from uh the World War I in France it

Brian Atlasis yeah I don't know about you I don't know about you like cuz cuz I was born I was born in France right the the French national anthem is the most gangster [ __ ] because in it it's what the that's

Brian Atlasnot that's definitely not that is French though check this [ __ ] out the the French national anthem it's the translation roughly translated in Brian speak it goes something along the lines

Brian Atlasof we will fertilize our soil with the blood of our enemies wow well we also that's some gangster [ __ ]

Madisonwe Catholics say like Body of Christ what wait mdty could you read this from Stacy question for the ladies why do you think all major societies

Ashley Paolahave had laws restricting the behavior of women Islam likely the most restrictive sorry I didn't see the last part feminism The Other Extreme well why do you think all major societies I feel

Ashley Paolalike it's just in our nature to slip and I don't I mean I don't know I don't really have an answer for that thoughts I think it's a control thing and the sad thing is hold

Brian Atlaslet's hear from some of the other Emily oh what about you that's a word poor

Brian Atlaspoor Emily poor em and Jess and kashan and Kwan Kwan sorry and Alex

Ashley Paolaand d and Madison D and Andrew D and Brian what was the what was it again just like over here why do you think there's law so many laws in society against women

Brian Atlaslike Islam is one of like the most prominent ones why do you think all major societies have had laws restricting the behavior of women specific

Emilyum I don't know maybe because like all right Jess next specifically I think because oh were you going to answer yeah I was going to say something but it's

Emilyokay I was going to say maybe just because like um that's like their religion I don't know maybe that's like just yeah just I

Jessicathink mainly just because then women will start thinking like that like that like hello you mean like guys are so infatuated with the woman's

Danielle (D)body that we've taken advantage of what we can do with it and then they realiz it we realiz it okay kind wait wait wait let's just move

Andrew Wilsonit on let's just move it on problem well let me let me the Dig answer here Society also governs men's behavior for a reason so they tailor in laws that

Andrew Wilsongovern to men's behavior because men have an ontology we recognize that in law we recognize that there might be Behavior which is perhaps more violent or more vitriolic or various things like

Andrew Wilsonthis and temper that in why wouldn't she do the same thing for women that makes it makes total sense if you have laws tailored towards men why wouldn't you have it tailored towards women's nature as well that's why that exists

Brian Atlasinteresting so are you talking like the ways in which men and women will the ways in which aggression will manifest differently between men and women for example men will be physically violent

Brian Atlasand women will to they can they can be violent but they'll resort to like reputation Destruction for example is that kind of what you're talking about and so so what happens is because we

Andrew Wilsonbecause most places especially those with a religious connotation don't don't think that we're blank slates they don't think that men and women are interchangeable widgets so they tailor

Andrew Wilsonsocietal laws uh based on that that's why so they go okay there's things that we see which are very common with women things which we see which are very common for men and we tailor laws

Andrew Wilsonbetween men and women for that reason that makes total sense by the way why wouldn't that make sense well why don't we see play girl and why don't we see

Danielle (D)guys in Speedos and like you all like why aren't they like their bodies out there like women are and prostituting

Andrew Wilsonthemselves on the corner where with like why aren't they doing that so it's a matter it's a matter yeah I think I understand dressing like sties like dressing like men like yeah I think I

Andrew Wilsonthink I understand what you're I just let me we I guess we made those rul for our quick answer if you can Andre yeah so I well I just want to make sure I get it right you're saying

Andrew Wilsonwhy is it that you don't see men acting as though they're women like hooker like hookers on the street not dressed as hookers but yeah well I mean it's it's supply and demand because we understand

Andrew Wilsona man's nature is different than a woman's nature it's very easy for women to get sex from basically whoever they want if you go out with a sign tomorrow and say come over here and have sex with

Andrew Wilsonme there'll be a never ending amount of men who will line up however if you do the opposite if a man goes out with a sign it's not going to be the ex the same thing so what we're looking at is

Alexwe're looking at the difference between the nature of the two yeah but then the problem really comes in as who WR writes these laws and writes all of the things

Alexin the first place because the majority of times women aren't really involved in the creation of all of these so cute I agree good cuz women are

Ashley Paolaemotional and they're going to oh damn okay go ahead oh I was just saying yeah like women are emotional and we don't always think logically and so when men make the laws it's just for

Ashley Paolaboundaries and I look at it even like from a Biblical perspective Ive is like God gave us boundaries it's like going back to the men who are leaders why because they hopefully are submitted to to God you look pretty skeptical but let

Andrew Wilsonme ask you a question like like I I see the skeptical look look on your face I think that's fair have you ever heard this phrase wait till your father gets home

Andrew Wilsonmhmh see have you ever heard that phrase yes yes yes except I was more afraid of my mother and she was the one who pushed hang H just stop just stop stop the

Andrew Wilsoncommon the common wait till your father gets home this implies what that the father is going to what discipline and make the choice that I discipline and that and that generally they're better

Andrew Wilsonat it you know what you don't hear in society you know what you never hear wait till your mother gets home nobody ever it's so Weir unless you're in a Black Culture unless you have a weak

Andrew Wilsonfather figure the black men are very rever of hang hang on listen there's going to be exceptions to there could be a household hang on there could be a household somewhere where it's wait till your mom gets home but

Andrew Wilsonfor the most part it's wait till your dad gets home and the reason is why because the father's generally considered the disciplinarian why because the ontology of men is different than women and so when you look at it you look at who's the kid going to be

Andrew Wilsonmore afraid of why are they going to be more afraid of it what's going to get him more in line it's not going to be Mom it's going to be dad with the belt right or what his big ass hand or the one controls the dad with a Bel I don't

Desiree Noeleven but we're not even uh you said something about black households yeah what the heck was that about so I just have I just have a lot of

Desiree Noelexperience with Black Culture with black culture and I have noticed that the average black man coming to me is much more respectful of me as like a single

Desiree Noelmom especially because the ones that I've been dealing with at least up with single they were always with single moms and so maybe the dad would have been the disciplinarian but in large part they weren't even around really wait that is

Desiree NoelThis Racist I'm not I'm not saying it has to be racial moreal thing no it doesn't it definitely doesn't it definitely doesn't I'm simply talking about what I've

Brian Atlasexperienced as a white man I don't feel like I'm I'm it's you know it's not my space to speak on this topic I'd like to defer to this the a black woman oh on

Kwan Clarkthis that's me yeah yeah yeah yeah no I was definitely afraid of my Dad when whenever my mom said I'm going to tell your father or wait till your father gets home I was [ __ ] scared cuz I wasn't afraid of my mom with the belt I'd always act like it hurt just she

Kwan Clarkjust so she would stop but then when I knew that my dad was coming home I would literally cry and beg to her please don't tell Dad don't tell Dad cuz I knew he was about to discipline me like he's scary she what she's alluding to so that

Andrew Wilsonyou understand what you're appealing to is the normaly of X thing so you could say let's assume for a second that nine out of 10 people have a single mom right

Andrew Wilsonthen yeah sure nine out of 10 people might appeal to wait till your mom gets home uh but in the common denominators where there's both a mother and a father almost everybody in those Dynamics

Danielle (D)appeals to wait till Dad gets home you see the distinction but you I'm also very embarrassed to disappoint my father like I I got to move things on MD can you read this please disappoint I have

Madisonlots of experience with Black Culture typical white women please allow the black woman to smack her upside the head only if she would to say something crazy all right to be

Desiree Noelhonest I'm a street person so I know I look white but I honestly Street person so you're basically insinuating all black people no no no I'm not I'm not

Desiree NoelI'm not at all but in in this demographic where I happen to live the the mean stre Palace of paridise no I grew up in Uka I grew up in Uka it's in the Inland Empire white Pro it's Dom

Desiree Noelright so I'm just saying though I didn't identify with the white culture i identified with the Hispanic and the black cultures because that was the socioeconomic status that I came from Street of the Inland Empire hold on I

Desiree Noeldon't know maybe there what's up black people are more than just the hood UK I know and I know and I'm not making a blanket statement I'm simply saying my experience my experience and my little

Brian Atlasmy truth that's just my truth of my experience wait you you k you Kip what is it you UK c a i San Bernardino it's it's it's a

Desiree Noellittle nicer now cuz we had housing developments come in but it was pretty ghetto and I lived in the worst ghetto part I mean I was almost getting kidnapped and stuff going to school yeah

Ashley Paolayou wasn't safe for sure not safe uh okay what is it what's the the it's Dom there's not very many you I just know it's not the black community I

Brian Atlasdefinitely GRE up middle class I don't know nothing about I didn't grow up middle class I grew up Nick can you I got everything I ever wanted from the Uka wait hold on I'll do in private chat just just because I feel like this is

Desiree Noelyou got to go Uka from the freaking early the fact that you even related the streets with knowing Black Culture like what's that about hip hop listen to the

Desiree Noelhip-hop lyrics you guys and R&B I listen to listen to the way that these women are ratchet not black people my soul

Brian Atlasscroll down that's my soul I'm sorry about that okay wait ratchet black people that's

Desiree Noelmy% scroll down 2000 scroll down scroll down scroll down crazy hold on you got to incorporate San Bernardino because

Desiree Noelthat's where I was I know that's where I lived I was partying and Z zip it good zip it okay oh I like that the racial

Brian Atlasmakeup was 85% white 0.9% africanamerican 1% Native American 1.2% Asian I'm saying makes that's dude

Desiree Noelthat's more white than Santa Barbara which is like the whitest city but what I'm simply saying is I I didn't identify with that group I had to go identify

Desiree Noelwith the other one two black people that you saw like but I wasn't just hanging out with them I was going to San Bernardino and going into clubs and I was getting Club cuz

Desiree NoelI I would black people love me black guys love me black people love they do I'm I'm saying the men I'm saying the

Madisonmen I'm saying the men the black man I can't this is is too much before we get into the ratings I would like to say that the one in the red is a perfect 10 I hope she finds love soon and won't

Madisonhave to deal with all the nonsense in the dating scene today fuing that dude I'm

Brian Atlassorry I'm sorry you need I'm sorry you need to apologize for being a simp just I love you I'm kidding I'm kidding Maddie go how much is 1 plus 1 plus one

Madisonplus one would the question be easier to answer if we were counting how many PPS you can house in your Stumpy case your general disposition has been important

TTS Readeryou are dulu dulu uh wow 1 plus 1 plus 1 plus one four doc villy donated

TTS Reader$200 alert Blondie has aded tonight to the following prostitution tax evasion child abuse spiritually Barren and now

TTS Readerracism notified the Demi mday to CPS Jesse Jackson is a bare Market coming be you want us to do bear versus bear man I

Brian Atlasdon't think so okay yo DRC van thank you man uh yeah we got more there's so much to get through uh okay so let's do the rating 1 to 10 thing really quick so what do you rate your looks

Brian Atlasunfortunately Stiffler when we uh cut the previous stream we lost him what do you rate your looks on a scale of 1 to 10 me yeah starting with you go ahead

Danielle (D)and it depends if I'm wearing a wig or not it depends if I'm wearing a wig or not but I'm a a a what wig or not this

Danielle (D)is a wig um so you're eight without the wig 10 with with the wig no eight and eight and a half either way naturally I think I'm

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