2 WALK OFFS?! MEGA Woke Feminists DEBATE Brian?! 3 Men In ONE NIGHT?! HORSE GIRLS! | Dating Talk 276

Date: 2026-01-05

Duration: 9h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMichelle Beriv >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Shantel(guest)

SPEAKER_03Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_04Leah(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Cece(guest)

SPEAKER_11Talia(guest)

SPEAKER_12Anya(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lem(guest)

SPEAKER_14Michelle Beriv(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentLeah reveals she owns 18 horses, shocking the panel

“I have um 18 right now.”

ControversyCaitlyn declares herself a communist and anti-capitalist while working as a stripper

ControversyCaitlyn says she wouldn't be sad if Jeff Bezos was guillotined

“I wouldn't be sad about it.”

QuoteLeah reveals she has made seven figures in a year on OnlyFans

“Yes.”

ControversyTalia says 50/50 chance Trump rounds up trans and gay people

Key MomentTalia argues you can't be racist toward white people in America

AgreementCaitlyn concedes women can be sexist toward men on an individual level

“Honestly, you're right. I'm going to concede with that.”

ControversyCaitlyn admits she giggled at the Charlie Kirk assassination video

“I giggled a little bit at the video.”

ControversyTalia agrees she would support violent overthrow of Trump administration

OtherWalk-off #1: Lem leaves due to autism-related anxiety/overstimulation

Key MomentBrian rates Caitlyn 5/10 after she rated herself 9.75. She gets upset.

OtherWalk-off #2: Talia leaves to take care of Lem. Brian gives speech about weak constitution of the left.

TopicBrian launches his 7-point oral sex defense, the longest segment of the show

QuoteAnya says being on the Whatever podcast is better than sex

“This is so much more riveting and feels better in my mind than sex ever has.”

QuoteBrian: last time he performed oral was during the Bush administration (2007-2008)

ControversyCece reveals ex physically abused her on train in Japan - punching and biting over jealousy

Key MomentCece's 8-month revenge plan to steal shared Amazon FBA business from abusive ex

ControversyCaitlyn reveals three-men-in-one-night story

OtherBrian announces he's contemplating episode 304 being the final Whatever podcast episode

Topics Discussed

Show Intro & Flake Statistics

Brian's intro with 2025 flake stats (1,588 total). Hiring helmet girl sidekick and soldier sidekick.

Guest Introductions

Caitlyn (21, stripper/communist), Talia (25, leftist), Anya (19, OF/conservative), Cece (26, USC nursing), Lem (18, autism/addictive studies), Leah (27, OF/18 horses), Shantel (18, marketing), Michelle (27, receptionist).

Leah's Horse Empire

Owns 18 horses on 30 acres, $10K/month maintenance. Born in a barn. Flips racehorses. TikTok is entirely butt content.

Caitlyn's Communist Ideology

Declares herself communist/anti-capitalist while stripping. Debate on property under communism, Oprah's mansion, guillotines for capitalists.

Immigration Debate

Heated multi-guest debate. Talia/Caitlyn against deportation. Anya/Cece (whose parents legally immigrated) for enforcement. Caitlyn/Talia would side with foreign invaders against US.

Trump as Fascist/Stalin

Talia believes 50/50 chance Trump rounds up trans people. Compares to Stalin. Would support violent overthrow.

Can You Be Racist Toward White People?

Talia argues racism requires power - can't be racist toward white people. Brian challenges with hypotheticals. Caitlyn eventually concedes individual-level sexism exists.

Walk-Off #1: Lem Leaves

Lem (18, autistic) leaves due to anxiety/overstimulation.

Looks Ratings

Caitlyn rates herself 9.75, Brian rates her 5. She gets upset, says it contributes to male loneliness epidemic.

Walk-Off #2: Talia Leaves

Talia leaves to drive Lem home. Brian gives speech about weak constitution of the left.

Oral Sex Marathon Debate

Brian's 7-point argument for not performing oral sex. Hasn't since 2007-2008 (Bush administration). Panel debates if it's 'a little gay' not to.

Cece's Japan Abuse Story

Ex punched and bit her on train in Japan. He abused animals. She executed 8-month plan to steal shared Amazon FBA business.

Body Count Reveals

Leah: 39 (keeps list on phone). Caitlyn: had hoe phase of 10 in a year. Cece: 3.

Rapid Fire Trivia

Shantel initially says Africa when asked to name a country (it's a continent). Math struggles (9+9+9=29).

Caitlyn's Three-in-One-Night

Slept with 2 men, went to third guy's place covered in baby oil. Third found first's magnum condom wrapper.

Possible End of Whatever Podcast

Brian announces he's contemplating episode 304 (mid-July) being the final show.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasnecessarily endorsed or the views of the whatever podcast, but all right, [ __ ] it. >> A message from the guy. >> Whatever. [ __ ] it. At this point,

Nick (Producer)>> donated $2004. Nick Fuentes said it best. Rainbows run the country. Women should shut the gingerely up. Blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part. And we

Brian Atlaswould all live in paradise. >> Hey, look. He's quoting he's quoting somebody. Uh, looks like Streamlabs uh, changed your language a little bit, but uh, hey, there it is. Uh, thank you for

Brian Atlasyour TTS. I appreciate it. >> Uh, okay. Um, so, okay. You think he's on the same level as Stalin? I think he's going to have to kill probably like uh, you know, he's >> Well, I didn't say he did it yet, but I

Brian Atlassaid that's where I think it's >> You think in the next 3 years he's going to kill like 10 to 20 million people? I think there is going to be mass casualties because of his actions. Yes. >> You think Wait, wait. You think be while

Brian AtlasTrump is in in office, >> you think tens 10 to 20 million people are going to die? >> I mean, I didn't say 10 to 20 million, but I think there will be mass casualties. >> Define mass casualties. >> I can't give you a number. It hasn't happened yet.

Talia>> Over what? What would the mass casualties be? >> Um, immigrants and trans people. Gay people. Who knows who he's going to target? What is What is he doing? >> Wait, wait, wait. Do you Do you think Trump is going to round up trans people

Brian Atlasand kill them? >> As I said, I think it's like the start of not. >> Do you think it's a 50-50? You think it's a 50/50 chance? >> Yeah, I like 50. >> It's a coin flip that Donald Trump is

Brian Atlasgoing to round up the gays and transgenders and immigrants and just and gas them and kill them. >> I mean, I don't know about gas, but something. >> He's the first president that was okay with gay marriage. Wait, can you tell

TaliaPhil fix? >> Sorry. He was the first president that was actually okay with gay marriage. >> And he's also tried to make trans healthc care less accessible to children. >> No, to keep Wait, wait. We have to

Brian Atlasaddress this here. >> I think it's fair for people on the left, for Democrats, for liberals. I assume you consider yourself a leftist. >> I mean, I wouldn't say I'm a Democrat. I'd say I'm further left than a Democrat. >> You're a leftist?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Or progressive or whatever. Uh, look, I think it's fair for you to have your position on immigration, but to to actually believe that Donald Trump is

Brian Atlasgoing to round up trans people and gays and um immigrants and mercy

Taliatalk. Completely crazy. >> I have family who was in Nazi Germany and they are >> That's not an argument. >> Did they die of life? >> Starts the same way. You're like, "Oh,

Taliait hasn't happened yet, so it's never going to happen." You don't know that. It It all starts like this. They didn't just start off by gassing all the Jews.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So, you you have family that's suggest it's actually it's insulting to your own It should be insulting to your own uh I don't know what the right word

Brian Atlasis. Like, it should be insulting to Jewish people for you to make a comparison of Hitler to Trump. A lot of Jewish people I know agree with me. >> Do we still have

Brian Atlas>> They're wrong. But it shouldn't it be insulting like whoa the severity of what happened in Nazi Germany? Right. To compare

Brian Atlasrelative like Trump is milktoast completely milktoast. He's completely different politically. Uh because he's a populist. You can't >> How do you compare Trump to 1930s

TaliaGermany? That's >> crazy. starts the same. They didn't just start with gassing the Jews. It's a slippery slope fallacy. You're >> turning people against immigrants. Turning people against people who don't

Brian Atlaslook like them. Suppression of opposition. Like I am not against people that look like the two people that have been talking about right. >> Wait, wait, hold on. Wait, wait, wait. Suppression of opposition.

Brian Atlas>> So, first off, woman and Russian woman. Can you give me an example of how aside from the the Jimmy Kimmel thing which was a complete blip on the radar, can you point to an actual suppression of opposition? >> You just gave yourself one right there.

Talia>> Well, I wouldn't even look >> that's irrelevant. >> That for a perfect example of it. >> He still has his show cuz people were pissed but they tried to do it. >> That's then the suppression was a complete and total failure.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, it was a failure but they tried to fail. You said there's no checks and balances except that was checked and balanced. >> But wait, >> check and balance by the people. >> Let me tell you this. So then you would

Brian Atlashave to say like were uh did you vote Democrat in uh 2020? >> Yes. >> You voted for Biden. >> Yes. >> And then you voted for Hold on. Hold on.

Brian Atlas>> You voted for uh Biden in 2020 and you voted for Camala in 2024. >> Yes. >> Okay. So throughout the 2020s, uh, there was massive amounts of suppression

Brian Atlas>> coming from the Biden administration. >> As I said, I wouldn't consider myself a Democrat. >> I don't agree with them either. >> You voted right. You voted

Brian Atlas>> You voted you vote. Okay. You voted in a president who had Nazi tendencies because they're suppress they were suppressing uh oppositional political speech. >> Yeah, I don't agree with them.

TaliaWait, did you say you voted for them? >> All right. >> I voted for them cuz I think Trump is worse. >> I would not. If we had another choice, I would go for the other choice. >> You know, Hitler was also a vegetarian.

Brian AtlasI believe >> he also had a dog. >> He also had like to paint. So like is Trump also breathes air.

Brian Atlas>> Is you know is is that your justification for his uh him basically being Hitler. >> No. And that's a dumb question. >> I don't think it's a dumb question because uh it's just basically a

Brian Atlasslippery slope fallacy. You're saying, well, oh, it's there's similarities. Uh >> so I guess that's your >> just because we're enforcing law and it like >> how how sorry, go ahead. Continue. No,

Anyacontinue. Just just because we're enforcing law and you're scared of the like one aspect of it immediately that's Hitlerian Nazi-esque. >> You're also judging somebody based off of something they never did. You're

Brian Atlassaying >> it's based off of what they are currently doing. >> Not what they arresting immigrants. That's your one thing. >> That's not He's not >> No, I've said plenty of other things that I disagree with. deporting

Brian Atlasimmigrants. By the way, uh all previous administrations, Obama, Biden, >> I never seen it worse the cages. >> But but if that's evidence, that's evidence level that it's ramped up to >> the cages.

Talia>> Obama deported a [ __ ] ton. >> Okay, but have you not like had seen how much putting out right now? Like they've ramped it up. >> Sure. Sure. >> And I don't agree [laughter] with Obama. I don't agree with all them. I'm not a

Brian AtlasDemocrat. Those aren't my values. But it seems like people are only up in arms now because they don't think it's getting worse cuz orange man bad. They just don't like him. I think it's just

Brian Atlasgotten worse. If you heard speeches from Obama in the 2010s or Clinton back in the '9s, even uh Hillary Clinton, I

Brian Atlasmean, she didn't win the election, but when she was running, the they were very very like there was, I think, a speech from Obama even where he was pretty strong on deportation and pretty strong

Brian Atlason, you know, against illegal immigration. So, I mean, it just seems like look, he's the opposition leader and you know, even though that this is something that was happening in previous

Taliaadministrations, only now that it's the opposition now it's a problem. Orange man, >> it's just because the level that it's gotten to, it's gotten so much worse. I disagreed with it then, I disagree with it now.

Shantel>> It's gotten worse. He's deporting less people than Obama did. Like, what does it have to do with it? >> Have you seen all the ICE vehicles patrolling around? Do you go outside? And do you have to immigrate? >> This is what happens when you look at everything through an emotional lens. >> They're illegal. They've committed a

Taliacrime. >> Why is it disgusting? >> Cuz she said she loves that they're getting rounded up. >> But that's because you're just like out there like, "Oh yes, please get all the brown people. Please get them."

Anya>> People you think on the brown people? >> Excuse me. >> Just because they're brown, they're illegal. That's pretty racist. There's

Anyawhite. You are insufferable. >> She's from Russia. That's not brown. >> I mean, [laughter] let's have a discussion and just

Caitlynremember that not everybody at this table is neurotypical. So, >> okay. The Supreme Court recently ruled that skin color, language, and workplace

Caitlynwere valid reason or concern to deport or detain somebody on the, you know, in the search for uh detaineees. So, based on skin color, based on the language that

Caitlynthey're speaking, based on the type of job that they have. So, it's not just rounding up brown people. I have a um more pale immigrant friend friend. Uh it

Caitlynwas actually she was uh Swiss I believe her parent her mom was Swiss and they were going after her and her you know less legitimate paperwork and you know being concerned about that. So overall

Caitlynit is not just limited to brown people but the Supreme Court ruling that opens it up on the basis of skin color is unjust. And I think that's a stronger argument than

Brian Atlas>> I'm fine with that actually. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm fine with saying you know there shouldn't be what what is the term called in policing? Um racial profiling. >> Sure. >> I I that's wrong. Let's go ahead and

Brian Atlasjust go ahead and grant that's wrong. Now, uh, once they've made the determination though that somebody happens to be, whether they're white, whether they're brown, whatever it is, that they have come to a determination that the person is an illegal immigrant,

Caitlynuh, shall we go ahead and deport them since they have they are here illegally? >> We can deport them as long as it does not fall under cruel and unusual punishment. The Constitution protects

Caitlynall people, not just American citizens, against cruel and unusual punishment. So if deporting somebody >> deporting somebody cruel and unusual >> that would take an ethical analysis that would take

Brian Atlas>> it's not. >> Are you an ethical analyst? >> I yes [laughter] I am actually. Thank you for asking. And under my ethical purview no deporting somebody is not

Brian Atlascruel and it's certainly not unusual. All countries all countries do it. It's not it's not unusual. Uh so how would it be? You tell me how it's unusual.

Caitlyn>> Cruel and unusual. So unusual, you you're right. It would it's not very unusual. France is really big on it, I believe. Um on deportation uh they they are particular

Caitlyn>> I don't know about that, but >> France is the citizen. Anyways, that's that's besides the point. It's not uncommon for countries to deport illegal immigrants. >> So how is it cruel then?

Brian Atlas>> Cruel if we're hurt their feelings? >> No. If we're putting people in unsafe conditions, that is cruel. >> I agree with you. They should not be in unsafe conditions. Now, assuming that we put them in safe conditions, can we go

Anyaahead and deport them? >> Is are we deporting them to a safe place? >> Yeah. >> Okay. If we're deporting them to a safe place, then that is not cruel. >> Well, what's your Okay. So, I'm guessing

Caitlynyour main gripe here is going to be seot, right? Um, a lot of my research has surrounded alligator Alcatra the >> I actually live really close to >> I [laughter] think it got shut down. So, isn't the point kind of >> I don't know if it did.

Nick (Producer)>> I don't think it got shut down. >> I thought it got shut down. >> I'm not sure. >> Is it still going? I haven't seen >> here. I have to let this message from the government of Canada. >> Oh, is it? >> Fallen donated

Nick (Producer)for this [ __ ] pasty. >> My actual donation got censored. Let me speak more plainly. As Nick Fuentes said, the juice run society. Women need to shut the frack up. Oh,

Brian Atlas>> blacks need to be imprisoned for the most part. >> Yikes. Well, that's what Nick went female. >> I don't think we we're going to agree with with that specific thing, but uh

Brian Atlas>> and that's the thing is bigotry is running rampant. People like that are >> You're right. Anti-male rhetoric from feminists is running rampant. It's disgusting. >> I didn't say that was bigotry. Oh, you don't think that that's bigotry? Yeah,

Brian Atlasbecause you're a misandress >> a little bit. >> Yeah. All right, we see. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense, right? >> We haven't even talked about that yet. >> We can get into that. Well, I mean, what about um Can you be racist towards white people? >> Ooh. Uh we've talked about that before.

Brian AtlasI >> It's been a while. >> Don't think so. Yeah, it's been like years almost. >> What do you think? Can you be Are we missing a chair? Can we get her? What's going on back there? or what's >> um >> she's had no >> my

Talia>> she's had enough. >> My opinion is that to be racist there has to be a history of oppression towards that people. Like the reason that you know being racist towards a black person is racist is because there's a history of white people

Taliaoppressing black people. I don't think there's a history of white people being oppressed in America. >> Okay. So would you acknowledge that there's different types of racism? >> Yeah. >> So what are those types from your perspective? Um, I don't know names of

Brian Atlastypes. Of >> course not, bro. >> Here. Can we get that fixed, please? God damn. Holy [ __ ] You guys making it worse. [snorts] >> God damn. >> All right. Um,

Talia>> but no, I don't think you can be racist towards white people because there's no history of oppression for white people. >> So, are you talking So, so let me ask you this. If a white person were to walk

Brian Atlasup to a black person, how complicated is this procedure? It's okay. If a white person were to walk up to a black person and punch that black person in the face because they're

Brian Atlasblack, >> would you say that that's racist? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Now, let's reverse it. A black person walks up to a white person and punches them in the face in the face because they're white. Is that racist?

Talia>> I don't think it can be the actual definition of racist because there's no history. I mean, >> what's the def what's your >> it's being hateful towards someone. But I think for actual racism there has to be a history of oppression towards those

Brian Atlaspeople. >> So your definition of racism is it prejudice plus power? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. You do realize that this is a new newly manufactured definition of racism that is not commonly understood like in

Taliajust the common sense understanding of racism. >> I don't know about that. I think that it's a pretty common understanding of racism. I'll Google the definition of

Brian Atlasracism just so I'm not like pulling one out. My own definition. So hold on. Prejudice, discrimination,

Brian Atlasor antagonism by an individual, community or institution against a person or people on the basis of their

Brian Atlasmembership in a particular racial or ethnic group. So it it doesn't mention anything about historical oppression there.

Brian Atlas>> But as you said, there is definitions that do include that. >> Well, not so much definitions, but you know, there's I believe there's

Brian Atlasindividualized racism and then there there's this systemic racism. >> So have white people never been oppressed? >> Not in America. No. >> Wait, what? >> So we're only talking about America. In America, you think white people have

Taliabeen oppressed? >> Yes, there have been. >> When have they ever been oppressed? >> No, but like maybe not slavery, but >> it depends on the tribe. I mean, Ashkanazi people are white passing,

Taliaright? They're still >> I'm a white person forms of the >> Guys, guys, guys, hold on. One person at a time. >> So, okay. [clears throat] >> I don't think I'm a Jewish people. [laughter]

Talia>> Jewish people were white people. >> Yeah. Jewish people were clearly oppressed. >> We're not talking about We're not talking about there though. I'm talking about in America because each place has different people that they've oppressed.

TaliaLike it's not always the same races getting oppressed throughout different countries. >> Yeah. White pe Okay. Do you think the Irish are white? >> Um I mean, yeah, their white skin. They're >> Okay. They've had their own are Italians

Brian Atlaswhite. >> I >> Italians >> I don't know. >> They're [laughter] white. Okay. >> Uh so Irish Irish and Italian immigrants here uh definitely faced uh oppression.

Brian Atlas>> Absolutely faced oppression. But I'm not really interested in the systemic level here. I'm asking you even on an individual level there's individual racism. And I asked you if a black person punches a white person or kills

Talia[clears throat] them for example because they're white. You say no that's not racism. >> Well if we're not going off systemic racism so I guess it would be like a hate crime. But why is it the case that

Brian Atlasif on an individual level a white person walks up to a black person, punches them in the face, you say that's racist. That's not systemic racism. Systemic racism would be like an institution

Brian Atlasbarring black people from being in the institution, right? So I'm talking on the individual level of racism where a black person walks up to a white person, punches them in the face. You say that's not racism.

Talia>> I I don't think it's racism. I >> What would it be then? >> Punching a person in the face. You said it's a hate crime. >> I mean, yeah, it's being hateful. I don't think it's actually racist, though. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> By definition, it would >> So, wait, hold on. Your definition is prejudice plus power. Is that correct? >> I mean, yeah. >> Or Well, that's what I asked you if it

Brian Atlaswas, but is that your definition? >> It's it's uh being being oppressed, you know? So, so in >> you're saying you need to have

Brian Atlas>> your group needs to have power in society and only then even on an individual level you can be racist to somebody on an individual level. >> I think for the most part yes.

Brian Atlas>> Can black people be racist towards Asian people? >> Um yes. >> But Asian people have a pretty good uh socioeconomic position in the United States. I mean, they still face

Taliadepression. >> Which which group of Asian pe all Asian people? >> I think anyone who's not white faces judgment and oppression.

Brian Atlas>> So, it's just anyone. Okay. >> Contradictory to what you said before. >> I'm I'm a bit confused though. So, what if you're a first generation immigrant and you just came here 5 years ago? Do

Brian Atlasyou think the United States is currently systemically oppressive to Filipinos? >> I don't know. I don't I'm not a >> any any Asian country. Do you think the United States is currently actively systemically oppressive towards

Talia>> systemically? No. >> Towards any Okay. So, if you just personal racism towards Asian people like there's going to be people who are >> not from black people though. Or would it be from black people?

Talia>> I don't know. I'm honestly lost at this point. I'm going be so for real with you. >> But I feel I feel like I'm going in circles. Can >> How about this? Um, if if Barack Obama

Brian Atlasum when he was president refused to hire white janitors at the White House, would this be evidence of systemic oppression?

Brian Atlas>> I mean, I don't think so. >> So, just to be clear, your definition of uh oppression or sorry, racism >> because there's not a history of it in society. >> There has to be a history of it.

Talia>> It has to be a pattern. It's not just a oneoff thing. It's a long-term sustained oppression. >> Yeah. I mean, I I don't know how much ground we're going to actually be able

Brian Atlasto get because your definition is completely ridiculous and not widely accepted. So, this is, I think, a thing where you basically just redefine the terms of the conversation to suit your

Brian Atlasworldview so that you basically can never be you're just redefining. >> I mean, that's what I've learned and I've been taught. So, that's what I'm going to taught you. >> My education, my high school. Did you learn it in high school? >> No. College.

Brian Atlas>> In college? Yeah. We should completely get rid of college subsidies. This is ridiculous that we're teaching college students that uh a black person can't be racist to a white person or a white person can never experience racism in

Brian Atlasthe United States. How about this though? If I go to Africa where I uh let's say I go to Nigeria or Kenya

Brian Atlas>> uh and uh I don't know the a black person in Kenya uh beats me up because I'm white. Have I experienced racism then? >> Uh

Brian Atlas>> because you're not you're not the person in power. You're not >> just seems like such an arbitrary totally arbitrary. Okay. So I can't So

Brian Atlasif I go to a country where white people aren't the majority that I can face racism there. >> Yeah. >> So if I go to China, I can face racism. >> Yeah, probably.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So I I don't know why we need to muddy the waters with these like uh re retoled definitions of racism. It just seems kind of pointless and silly. But

Brian Atlasum so you're saying white people can't experience racism in the United States? >> Not. Yeah. Not in >> but they can experience it in other countries.

Shantel>> Yes. If they are not the majority. >> Okay. All right. That's a bit of >> just because you haven't like experienced it that doesn't mean like it happens like it's like a regular thing like like it's personal like it's not like a poor like a major like it's

Taliapersonal though. >> You see a bunch of people going up and calling white people slurs because they're white cuz I've never once seen that in my life or heard of >> just because you live in like a guy who literally got killed. We have a Trumper

Brian Atlashere and got literally murdered. What was it? Portland. >> Well, no. We had a woman who was on like the subway or something. >> Yeah. She sat in front of a black guy and the black guy.

Talia>> Wasn't he having a mental health crisis and he said, "I got that white girl. I got that white girl." >> But it wasn't because she was white. It's cuz she was he was having a mental health. >> It's interesting how you can be charitable when the narrative doesn't

Brian Atlassuit you. But if somebody was having like a a conservative was having a mental health crisis and they like mercked a a if a person merked a PC, you'd be like, "Oh my god, this is clear-cut evidence

Taliaof like right-wing extremism." >> I wouldn't if they were having a mental health crisis. I would say the same thing. >> So that's okay if they're having a mental health crisis. >> It's not okay. It doesn't make it right, but that's not They're not doing it because of the race. They're doing it because they're having a mental health

Brian Atlascrisis. >> Do we actually have evidence? I mean, so, okay, can we >> They said that that's why doing it. >> Couldn't we just like handwave away any

Brian Atlassort of I I think anybody who's inclined towards murder, uh, couldn't we just say everyone is going through a bit of a mental health crisis. >> I'm pretty sure he was in a full psychotic episode from what they

Taliareported and his history, what his people who knew him said >> after they released him for the 13th time. >> Yeah. which I don't agree with either because people had said that he was a danger because of his mental health.

Talia>> But he literally said, "I got that white girl." There was other black people because she was white. He's >> Wait, so why do I find that white girl? Yeah. >> Did you just a white girl? That's not because she's white.

Talia>> Just an observation. >> Do you think if she was black, do you think she would have been murdered? >> Probably. >> You think so? >> Yeah. >> I think it was just who was around him when he was having his issues. Well, no, cuz there is a black.

Talia>> It's a crime of opportunity. >> There is a black woman there to the right of him. >> I don't think because of her race. >> Well, we I think we can be willing to grant that he was going through a mental health crisis, but I do think it's the

Brian Atlascase if she was a black woman. Probably wouldn't have killed her. >> I disagree with that. >> Well, I guess there's no way to know for sure, but >> but uh Okay, so wait, hold on. We got we

Brian Atlasgot the racism. Okay. Can't be racist towards white people. I think it started you were saying you can't be sexist towards men or something. We got into you being a misandress. >> Yeah. I don't know if I would actually

Caitlynclassify myself as a misandress cuz like I've tried my best to establish I really do aim for peace and >> joy and bliss for everybody. >> Um

Caitlyn>> at at the end of the day I don't really and I have a lot of men that I I have all of two or three men that I love dearly. Um, I

Caitlynuh I don't think that women can be sexist to men because there could >> Can a white woman be sexist towards a

Caitlynblack man? >> I think that she can be what is it called? She can uh fetishize him. There's >> fetishize. >> Yeah, there's a fetishization of black

Caitlynmen by white women. You should look into it. It's pretty interesting. >> Well, who's more oppressed? Black men or white women? >> That is a wonderful question. A lot of people [snorts] actually describe it as a diamond. So, like white men at the top

Brian Atlashere, white women here, black men here, and then black women at the bottom. >> You're say, hold on. Historically, from a historical standard, uh, well, even modern day, I'd make the case. You think

Brian Atlasthat white women had it worse than black men? >> No, I wouldn't say that. No. Yeah. >> So, black men had it worse. So, on your stupid diamond or whatever, >> it's not my diamond. >> Wouldn't black men have to be here,

Caitlynwhite women here? >> Well, >> you can make the argument for either one because >> black men, black Yeah. black men, slaves got the right to vote before any woman did. >> Uh, that's a bit dubious, I think. But,

Caitlynuh, >> that it's true cuz the amendments came in a certain order, I guess. Um, that part is true, but obviously women, white women specifically will will make that specific distinction. White women versus black men.

Brian Atlas>> Were white women ever slaves in this country? >> Um, technically no. Not in the same way that black men or black people were. >> Yeah. So, I don't know if not having

Brian Atlashaving voting rights a few years earlier than women, uh, >> that's what I was about to Although there's I think there's some dispute as to like in practice a lot of black people actually didn't have quite as much access to the right to vote until

Brian Atlaslike later periods of time. >> That's true. Like >> so whereas women had uh what's the word for it? Women had >> suffrage or no? >> No, there's another word for it. um infranchisement

Brian Atlas>> or disin >> like practically speaking white women had in >> from a practical perspective infranchisement more than black black men did. >> Yeah, probably. >> Probably. Yeah. >> I don't know. Maybe I'm just pulling

Anyathat [ __ ] out. I don't know. >> I I would say that that's more than likely the case. >> Yeah. >> Do you believe that all people have the right to vote? >> Yes. >> Okay. I just wanted to know what stand standpoint point we were coming at that

Brian Atlasfrom. >> If they're living in a country, they should be able to vote for what happens in their country and community. >> Okay. I I don't understand though how a woman can't be uh sexist towards a man.

CaitlynI don't see how that makes sense. >> Well, I think that it's kind of similar in the way to the way that a white person can't be racist to a black person. It's punching up versus punching

Caitlyndown. So once again, it comes with a redefining of the term racism, the term sexism, which is I don't want to use arbitrary >> extra work. In my opinion,

Brian Atlas>> that's what debate is, is thought and thinking and analyzing yourself. >> Sounds like a lot of work. >> Yeah, but okay, check this out. If I just redefine, so I I want to redefine

Brian Atlasum necrilia as I define necrilia as anybody named your name's Caitlyn. >> Yeah. >> Oh my god.

Brian Atlas>> Nice to meet you, Brian. You on here? >> Uh okay. I I redefine necrophilia. Uh anybody who's named Caitlyn is a necrophiliac. Well,

Brian Atlas>> then the definition's [ __ ] useless. It >> exactly. >> But it would serve me massively to be able to label you as a necrophiliac. >> Yes. >> Like that would be really like that would be like an optics win to be like

CaitlynI'm [ __ ] dunking on this person who like [ __ ] corpses and [ __ ] >> Well, no, cuz I'm a necroiliac because my name is Caitlyn, not because I [ __ ] corpses at that point. >> Yeah, but people's understanding of the

Brian Atlasterm necroilia is something besides that. Well, if we're establishing your definition here and you're and then you use that Yeah. my name to define me as a necrophiliac.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. But if you've if you've butchered the definition of racism so much that it basically it it it only suits your worldview, then it basically just means nothing. That's what I'm trying to point out.

Brian Atlas>> You you said that this the racism sexism thing, it's like you can't be racist towards men, you can't be racist towards white people. It's because you've completely changed this definition to

Brian Atlashave to incorporate uh some sort of historical oppression. I don't see h like that's never been the standard for what racism is. And if you ask most

Brian Atlaspeople, that's not what it is. This was this is a new invention by woke people like you who want to butcher language. >> Um I really would rather not butcher

Caitlynlanguage. Um but you're right. you're right that it's that it's arbitrary and it's not super strong to shift the semantics around um just because of the historical context. You're not wrong

Anyaabout that. >> Butcher language like Nazis and fascism. >> What y'all are quoting the wrong person? >> I was going to ask, were you pointing at me or her? >> Where were the leftists here? >> Okay. So, I was I was actually going to ask because it seems like you might

Anyadisagree with her opinion on >> Can you give us like your definition of it? Okay. >> Because it seems like you disagree with her on it. >> Yeah, I do dis I disagree with her arguments. I understand. >> I think we all see where she's coming from.

Anya>> Yeah. >> Her number two. >> I I don't see I don't see it. I don't >> I just make sure I want to make sure we're not arguing with somebody over something you don't even. I don't agree.

Caitlyn>> Yeah. >> I Yeah, disagree with what I'm saying. You can think that all you want. You're wrong. >> Where's your education from? Credentialism. >> I dropped out of college. Yeah. >> Why? >> What do you want? >> Backstory. Let's drop some more on Brian.

Brian Atlas>> That'll be for another day. >> That'll be for another day. But yeah, uh college was kind of a waste of time, but for me anyway. >> I agree. >> Um here I have I want to I I don't know if this is pasty fallen. >> A message from the government of Canada.

Nick (Producer)>> I'll play it now. >> Fallen

Nick (Producer)one question. >> Is it sexist for women to cross the street at night [snorts] to avoid men? Why is the same not true for white people to cross the street to avoid black people? Is it not avoiding

Caitlynviolence? >> Do you want to answer that? >> That is a surprisingly okay question. Um, and I could see where you're coming from there.

CaitlynBoth are for safety. Both both the purpose behind both of those actions is for safety. Now, the white person crossing the street, their lack of a sense of safety is coming from

Caitlynthings like scapegoating and propaganda that they've been fallen victim to. Women crossing the street for safety is coming from either their personal lived experience or the lived experience of

Brian Atlaswomen around them. >> Yeah. I mean, >> which hold on, let me set you set this up. So, okay. You're basically saying justified for women's across the street because they've had their own bad

Brian Atlasexperiences with men and then they've heard bad experiences with other women and maybe they can look at crime statistics and those crime statistics will actually show that men do

Brian Atlasperpetrate some crimes uh more more often or uh at a disproportionate rate. >> 90% of violent crimes are committed by men. At least 90. >> I would have to look at it. I'd probably dispute it a little bit.

Brian Atlas>> What's the other statistic? But >> what's the other statistic? >> But essentially, so is this your position? >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> It's okay for women to have fear or to cross the street because their own personal bad experiences and crime statistics. Is that your standard?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Great. Okay. What's stopping a white person who's had a bad experience with a black person and then pointing to crime statistics which do seem to indicate that black people per capita commit certain violent crimes more often than

Brian Atlaswhite people. What's preventing them? Which by the way, just to be clear, I don't think that I think racism is wrong. I think racism is bad. We should judge people at individual level. But from your perspective, your frame, your

Brian Atlaslens, >> what would actually what would actually be wrong with a white person from arriving at a basically a racist position? >> Nothing. >> There's nothing wrong with it for a white person being racist against black people.

Brian Atlas>> There is. >> Say, say answer the question. >> I just did. Okay, but I'll answer it first. >> Wait, so there's nothing wrong with white people being racist if they meet your two criteria. they had a bad experience with a with a black person

Caitlynand they can show you crime statistics that show that black people commit certain crimes more uh often than white people. >> I'm saying that it is justifiable for white people people in general to act in

Caitlyna way that they feel protects their safety to a certain extent. Now the reasoning behind that is can be either logical and um well

Caitlynregardless with in within this argument it's fear-based. It's fear based. Now does that mean it's right or yeah for both. Does that mean it's right or wrong? Not necessarily. Not all like not all these

Caitlynmen that I'm avoiding in the street are going to be bad and murderous. But does that make it unethical for me to cross the street? No, it just makes me put my

Caitlynsafety first. And a white person, like I said, they're coming from two different standpoints. White, like the the the

Caitlynpercentages and statistics are different from men, you know, white men, you know, being afraid of men versus being afraid of white people in general. Um, or I'm sorry, being afraid of black people. >> Um, >> I mean, you would have

Brian Atlas>> there's differences in statistics. You basically just have to make the same exact logical allowance though. >> So if you if the allowance for women is >> you had a bad experience with a man or multiple men, >> you have your own anecdotal your own

Brian Atlasexperience. >> You can even include in that you had a friend or multiple friends who've had bad experiences with men. >> And then the other thing is you can you can be like well it's not just my own experience. Here are these crime

Brian Atlasstatistics. >> Yeah. Logically, you would have to make an allowance, the same allowance for white people as it relates to race. You'd have to make the same allowance. >> I just said that. >> Okay. >> Okay. Well, why ask me the same

Brian Atlasquestion? >> If you're Okay. Well, if you're fine with that, that's uh >> obviously I oppose racism. Hopefully. >> Do you oppose sexism, though? >> Yes. >> Not really. Not against men because you don't believe that women can be sexist towards men.

Caitlyn>> Honestly, you're right. I'm going to concede with that. I think that the way that I picture it is more on a systemic level, but you're right. On the individual level, >> I will say that men women can be sexist against

Anya>> Okay. Uh Anya, I'm going to have you read these two chats. >> Scott Bessant, a man the secretary of of Treasury, was appointed by Trump who literally has a

Anyahusband. Trump is just as woke as the left. I agree. Uh, plus communists will never understand humans are inherently evil. >> I [snorts] don't think Trump cares. Literally.

Anya>> Brian, you need to watch the interview of XKGB Yuri Bmanov with your panel right now. He describes the BS that chair number two is spewing. It will clear up all this, sorry. It will clear up the stupid round and round you are

Brian Atlashaving. >> I think I've I've seen that a long time ago. I I'm I'm familiar with the interview you're referencing. I mean, so much of discourse with uh like leftists

Brian Atlasor progressives is basically them just not like intentionally misunderstanding you. So, you basically can't have a conversation. But, um okay, let's uh

Brian Atlaslet's move it on to um let's move it on to this. >> Get some chop liver. uh Charlie Charlie Kirk >> uh or pretending to like not understand what you're talking about or whatever.

Brian AtlasUm really quick cuz I recall while I was away, Charlie Kirk came up. Really quick question. I know it was a while ago at this point, but um what do you think about what happened to Charlie?

Caitlyn>> I think that we should have stricter gun protections to prevent things like that. >> But why the hesitate? I'm just there seems to be a bit I detected hesitation. >> I don't like what he I don't like the rhetoric that he spread.

Brian Atlas>> I think that's fine to disagree with Charlie Kirk, but it seems like you're holding back a little bit on something. Is that is that fair to say? >> Yeah. >> What are you holding back on?

Brian Atlas>> I wasn't sad about it. >> Well, I don't think that there's an obligation for people who dislike somebody to mourn that person if something happens. But >> so true.

Caitlyn>> But I think that's still not quite getting at maybe how you really feel. Were you glad? >> Honestly, I can answer that truthfully

Brian Atlasand say no because like >> did you rejoice? >> I giggled a little bit at the video. I giggled. >> Yikes. Bro, this girl >> what out of me? >> You're you're the you're the bullwark. I

Brian Atlasdon't know if is that am I saying that? You're the bullwark of like moral like you you giggled when somebody was assassinated. Okay. >> You want you want good rights and you want everyone to be like

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Well, here what's going on with the chair? Is she coming back or >> bathroom? >> Okay. Um well, before we get into that, what are your thoughts? >> Uh I don't agree with killing someone

Taliaever. >> But do you think uh maybe you wouldn't do it, but can you understand? Like do you think it was justified? No, I don't think it was justified. Okay. I could see what thought process would lead someone to that, but I don't agree with

Brian Atlasit whatsoever. [snorts] I I >> Now, Sure. Sure. Do you think people rejoicing in his death, do you think that's justified? >> Once again, I can see why, but I don't

Brian Atlasagree with it. >> Can see why. Okay. All right. Uh I don't know. You you were probably you you were celebrating. It seems like >> I didn't celebrate. >> You were happy. You were happy. Charlie party. >> That's crazy. That's crazy.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, look, I there's people I I strongly disagree with, but I I wouldn't want any like anybody to be uh like for example, Camala Harris. Like that would

Brian Atlasbe [ __ ] terrible if she was she had been assassinated or something. Like I wouldn't be ha I wouldn't make jokes about it. I wouldn't be rejoicing. That would be [ __ ] bad. That's bad. vi

Brian Atlasbecause look with the violence thing um you know that creates a that what's the right word for it? It create oh my god I'm bling

Anya>> it's the ideology of it's okay to punch Nazis. So once you start labeling everyone a Nazi it's okay to punch Nazis because >> well I think you can punch Nazis but I wouldn't just shoot someone in the neck

Caitlynfor their opinion. It's that idea. I'm I'm generalizing it, but it's that ideology where it >> Why haven't you punched Anya? >> Would you kill Hitler if you got the chance now? [snorts] Like knowing all that he did? That was That's a big like

Caitlyn>> I don't know. Would you kill baby Hitler? >> If I knew >> Baby Hitler, if I knew >> when >> Do you think Hitler's made Hitler? What do you mean? Like what? >> I don't know. I would get him to that art school >> when he's baby. Baby >> 11:59 [laughter]

Brian Atlasp.m. I don't know what time. Well, as soon as he became uh I mean there there certainly I don't think there would be any dispute as soon as he would Germany became a belligerent

Brian Atlasuh nation against the United States. Uh yeah, you could like teleport and kill Hitler. Yeah, that'd be totally fine. >> Yeah, I think so. >> Um there could even be some argument for, you know, at some point even prior

Brian Atlascertainly a point prior to that. But baby Hitler, I don't know. I actually >> it' be hard to do millions of people It's like one for seven 8 million.

Leah>> I know. Would you stab baby Trump? >> I'm still stuck on the fact that you preach peace and you said you giggled when a man got shot. >> I know. It's very I'm not going to say I'm like the most morally best or whatever. But

Anya>> you were probably posting memes. I bet you were posting me. >> No, I didn't. I don't want the government to come after me. >> It's okay. There are certain people that you just don't debate with because they don't come to debates with good faith or like if if you're just if you're not

Anyaokay with saying that that is something disgusting and that a mother has a mother and her two children now have to live without a dad that got brutally murdered in front of his whole country. I'm sorry dude, but we're not arguing in

Brian Atlasgood faith. Like >> the left is more violent. Honestly, >> they are. Who is Who is she talking to? [laughter] >> I don't know. But but you [snorts] um I don't you haven't you heard Anna say some really some things you really

Brian Atlasdisagree with? >> I've heard her say things I agree with and things I disagree with. Yeah. >> Why haven't you punched her yet? >> Um because she's not harm. We had this talk when you were going. >> She wants to deport. She wants to deport. We had this we had this

Brian Atlasconversation. I I think if you're not actively harming someone I would But if you're actively >> How about this? Um let me bring it back for a moment to dating. Would you date Luigi Manion? >> Oh, yeah. >> Into the in closer to the mic.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Would you date Luigi Manion? >> I have a boyfriend >> if you were single. If you were single, hypothetic. >> Um, >> I don't know. Probably not. >> Going around the table >> knowing what he did now.

Leah>> Hell no. >> Can you check on one of you check on the girl? >> I want to say yes, but I feel like I should say no. >> Do you know who he is? >> Yes, I [laughter] know who he is. >> The guy who killed the

Leah>> I know. It was wrong. It was wrong. Wait, why' you say yes? Cuz he's hot. >> No, I'm not shallow. >> Make up a picture. [laughter] >> But yes, you would date him. >> I just >> Uh, okay. What about you? >> No. >> No.

Shantel>> No. >> But is he 6'5 Chad? >> Well built. >> Maxilla on point. >> Mhm. >> Are we looked back? >> Wait, so did you say [laughter] yes? >> I said probably not.

Talia>> Probably not. But how about then what he did? Thumbs up. I don't think it was the right way to handle it. But I mean, I'm also not

Taliagoing to cry over a CEO who denies people health insurance getting shot. >> Mhm. >> I shed no tears, but I don't agree with it. >> You think he's sitting there going through each claim and saying no, yes, no, yes.

Caitlyn>> But I mean, he built a system that is doing that to people. [snorts] >> The system was pre-existing, >> but they have the highest rate of denying people things that they need. >> He had the power. That CEO has the power

Caitlynto make the situation better and he's instead using the power to make that situation worse. Luigi, he stood on business and I like a man that can protect and provide.

Cece>> Do you not realize that there he had to please the investors because a lot of investors like they want to save a lot of money. >> He was wealthy and look I think it's fair to be critical of the health care system and the the health insurance

Brian Atlassystem in the United States. That's totally valid. I have criticisms of the health care system and the health insurance system in the United States. There's a lot of problems with it.

Brian AtlasHowever, vigilante vigilanteism and just [ __ ] murking a CEO in the street completely incompatible with civil civilized society. Completely

Brian Atlasincompatible. >> And you guys you guys are [ __ ] bro. You guys should not be we should just honestly you're a citizen but we should deport you. trying to change my answer. >> I think we deport both of you. [laughter] You guys, we're gonna send

Anyay'all. We I don't know. We'll deport you somewhere. You guys send me to Sweden, please. >> We're going to deport you to Venezuela. How about that? >> Do you think it's okay if I >> government? I'm not saying I'm doing

Anyathis, but if I went and pulled a Luigi Manion on whoever the CEO of Planned Parenthood is. >> No, I [snorts] said I don't believe in shooting anyone. >> Okay. Um I'm sorry. What was your name?

Caitlyn>> Caitlyn. >> Caitlyn. Caitlyn. Um, no the well, uh, I haven't done as thorough of analysis and also I am not God. I don't make the decision of what is right or wrong. There are things that

CaitlynI think are more ethically justifiable than not. I think that killing the the CEO of Planned Parenthood would be less

Anyaethical, >> I guess. >> I would say >> than killing the the healthcare CEO, but I don't know that >> Planned Parenthood has has killed millions and millions of babies over the years. Margaret That not Margaret

AnyaThatcher, sorry, Margaret Sanger, she was literally a recorded eugenicist. Obviously, it's not Margaret Sanger now, but it would be a different CEO, but they're still participating in that situation. Like how the United

CaitlynHealthcare CEO was not the founder of healthcare, but he still participating in that situation. >> Yeah. [snorts] >> Um yeah, I did see about um the founder

Caitlynof Planned Parenthood having some less than ethical choices um and and lifestyle and ideologies. And I obviously try my best not to agree with

Caitlynthat. Um, however, [snorts] abortion is an important procedure that we got to maintain access to. As you can make a moral or philosophical argument, but if

Caitlynwe're going to take it down to what can be quantified, what can be scientifically understood, then it is

Caitlynmore ideal. No, it is necessary to have access, >> safe access to abortions because it prevents um domestic violence. It

Caitlynprevents um Sorry, excuse me. >> So, we're saying that men become violent because their women have children. >> No.

Anya>> Shouldn't we then go after the men, not the babies that are the innocent victims? >> We should go after the men. Absolutely. >> Yeah. The men that are domestic abusers. Sure.

Talia>> Okay. Why Why else should we keep abortion? >> To prevent back alley abortions. Abortion's going to happen either way. It's been going on since before abortion was legal. It's important that we have a

Anyasafe way for women to do it. >> Okay. But if that that was the argument years ago, now women have it for any reason. They have it all the way up to 9 months in certain states.

Talia>> No, they don't. That's a lie. Unless it's medically necessary to prevent the death of a woman, they are almost never abortion to a woman that late. >> It's almost never necessary. You can pull with how often that happens. It

Anyadoesn't >> it it actually does. >> It really doesn't. >> A lot of them are actually only 1% under 1% of abortions are actually done for cases of R and all that.

Brian Atlas>> 99% of them are elected. >> Quick final thought on this, but I'll table the abortion topic for later, I guess. It's okay. >> Shove. I'll shove it. >> Honestly, it's okay. Shove it. Shove it.

Nick (Producer)>> Claim donated $200. Lower the volume. >> I don't have the energy for this panel tonight. >> What a terrible person to laugh at the death of a person who encouraged conversation. >> I had the energy to send 200 bucks.

Brian Atlas>> You are a terrible person. Chair one. >> I'm so sorry. I >> Yo, good to see you, man. Good to see you. Thank you for your message. Uh, >> it's not like I just came out about it

Caitlynwillingly. He like probed it out of me real seriously. Like >> she did try to be polite. >> I did. >> She knew it. I mean times you asked me the question. I knew your reaction was

Brian Atlas>> I mean your face revealed >> it. True. >> I can't help that I'm expressive. Okay. Um [snorts] >> you're expressive over a man being assassinated. >> There's a lot of things to express. >> Would you dis Are you able to disavow

Brian Atlasit? Just curious. Would you disavow? disavow like um >> the assassination >> like uh >> is it wrong? >> Yes, I already said that but yes

Caitlyn>> but you were happy it's wrong but you >> I wasn't happy about it. I just don't like the guy >> and I thought I just really think he's an a bad person and

Brian Atlas>> he's done a lot of [ __ ] up [ __ ] So, but but okay. So, the the issue here is is that when we go down that rabbit hole, what's stopping your opposition from being like, you know what, these

Brian Atlaspeople do a lot of bad [ __ ] Uh there these people are aborting millions of children, etc., etc. We're just talking about abortion. Um what's stopping your uh your

Brian Atlas>> opposition, like you said, right? >> Yeah. Opposition from just being like, you know what, we're not going to do diplomacy. We're not going to do politics. We'll just we're going to just do this with force

Brian Atlasand violence. And realistically, if there was some sort of civil war between the right and the left, >> who do you guys genuinely think in a hypothetical scenario where the

Brian Atlaspolitical right and the political left actually went to a violent conflict? Who do you think's winning that one? >> The ones with guns, >> which is typically which side?

Caitlyn>> The right. >> Great. I I'm so far left that we get our guns. >> Yeah, that's true. I'm southern too. Don't forget that. I'm not really anti. >> That might be the case for of course

Brian Atlasthere are people on the left who possess firearms, but do you think like in totality do you think people like you think it's Republicans or Democrats who own more firearms? >> Probably Republicans.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. You think it's conservatives or liberals who own more firearms and who are there's pro there's probably more men on the right and of the men who

Brian Atlasare on the right they're probably like [sighs] look you guys got a lot of soy boys is what I'm saying. Look, I'm not saying I'm some [ __ ] behemoth [ __ ] juggernaut. Look, hey, I'm

Brian Atlas>> there's some there's dudes on the left who are going to [ __ ] me up, okay? Look, I don't have any uh any suspicions or not suspicion. What the [ __ ] I I I'm not delusional, but

Caitlyn>> but overall, >> yeah, man, y'all going to get [ __ ] up. >> Maybe. >> Just saying. Just if it were to happen, if it were to happen, y'all get [ __ ] up. >> I would hate for the it to be the right

Brian Atlasand the left to end the civil war civil war. >> But we're bigger people. We're the bigger people here. You know, the the right people on the right. We're the bigger people. You guys can have your big You guys can have your riots. You [laughter] guys

Brian Atlashave your little riots and your protests and all this stuff and your violence and you know, just, you know, hey, you you guys have that. But, uh, we'll be here making sure society is functioning and

Brian Atlasrunning while you guys have your little temper tantrums every couple months. And, you know, we'll be here. We'll be here, okay? We'll keep society functioning as best as you guys are [ __ ] making it hard for us, but hey,

Anyawe'll be here. We're also the ones talking stuff through. Like the top podcasts, I mean, I I know this is kind of a silly example, but the top podcasts are like right-wing podcasts, and there's not that many. I mean,

Caitlyn>> because that ideology is becoming more popular. The fundamentalist Christian conservative ideology is becoming more popular. But that's not a good thing. >> I don't think there's anything wrong with that. >> How is it not a good thing? It's all

Ceceabout like we all getting into common. >> We're a Christian country. It's not >> It is common sense. The left went too much. That's why I literally was a Democrat before and then I transition transitioned to Republican.

Cece>> Yeah. >> In 2020, I voted for Biden. Huge. And I was in college. Like I was like, whatever. Like, you know, I was being the dummy. But then after I started to hear both sides, I'm like I listen to both sides. I'm not like, you know, the

Ceceright, you know, some right-wingers like, oh yeah, like the I'm not like that. I try to be neutral as much as I can, but the left made it so hard. It they made it so hard

Cece>> to be on their side, unfortunately. And I really wanted to, you know, cuz I grew up in a Democratic state like California, but like >> stupid right mean. >> Yeah. That's how that's how that's how

Cecethat's the reason why Charlie Kirk um died, unfortunately, because that I don't supposedly if that was the gun the gunner, we don't know yet. I think they it came out that he was a Republican,

Talia>> but then they also said he was no Republican. He's like trans furry or something. >> That's not true. His family said that he was a Trump supporter and that their whole family was Republican. >> Okay. Republican, but his name was

Taliatotally >> bogus. For real. >> Okay. I Wait. You think you think this assassination of Charlie Kirk? You think it was right-wing violence? >> Yeah. He said that he was a Nick Fuentes fan and that Charlie Kirk wasn't right. >> Who said that? Total fake news. It's

Anyafake news. >> It could go either way. >> It was left-wing violence. >> Okay. >> The gropers never said they're okay with offing Charlie Kirk. Like >> what? >> What? >> Nick Fentes had a had a beef with

Brian AtlasCharlie Kirk, >> but he's not okay with killing him. >> But it's it's pretty clear that the assassin, it was a left-wing uh >> if that even was him. >> I mean, I don't believe [clears throat] those conspiracy theories. I don't

Brian Atlasbelieve in the >> Yeah. I'm confident he was Well, I'm I shouldn't say I'm confident, but I strongly suspect there's not some conspiracy. >> I agree. >> I don't know.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um here, uh moving on to a different topic. Oh, here. You know what? It's [sighs and gasps] one more thing, then we'll do dating, more dating

Brian Atlasstuff. Um uh Okay. What? Just curious. Is anybody here like a second generation immigrant? Like your parents? You you you >> wait second

Brian Atlas>> or first generation or second? >> I was born here. My parents came here came here >> from Russia. >> Russia Barus actually like >> from Russia. >> My parents came from Egypt. >> Egypt. Okay. So y'all are second generation >> from Mexico.

Brian Atlas>> Like you >> I think it's first generation when you're born here. >> No, first generation is you moved here. >> Okay. >> Uh you were born somewhere else but you moved here. Second generation would be your parents moved here.

Brian Atlas>> I want to respond. There was a chat it was asking me. >> No. >> Um, yeah. My parents moved from Mexico and came here and then I was born here. >> Okay. Second generation. >> Second generation. >> Uh, okay. Here's an interesting

Brian Atlasquestion. Um, I guess I'll ask you guys it, but I could maybe open it up to some of the other people on the panel. uh if the United States in a in a

Brian Atlasmorally neutral, blame-free hypothetical conflict between the United States and the uh the country of your parents' birth or origin. >> Uh okay. To which country is your allegiance?

Brian Atlas>> America. >> America, of course. >> America. >> America. >> So, Egypt or like if if the US >> if the United States goes to war with Egypt, it's America. Yeah, cuz that smell

Cece>> and then curious. Yeah. >> Oh. Oh, no. After. Yeah. No, I'm good. Oh, you sure? Oh, I wanted to say something like, you know, I hear other people say like um they'll choose like their other home country, but for me, I

Cecegot racist like not like maybe racism from my own community cuz I looked white. I wasn't part Oh, like I got bullied as a like elementary school cuz

CeceI was too white apparently to be a Mexican. They, you know, of course, like I'm going to choose America. That's all I know. I never lived in Mexico, so why would I choose Mexico? So true. >> Uh, question for you two. I know you

Brian Atlasguys aren't like Mexican or anything, [laughter] >> right? You're No, no, no. You're not. Um, if the United States went to war with Mexico, where would your allegiance lie? The United States or Mexico?

Caitlyn>> Neither. I just don't like war. I think war is bad. I >> I am anti-war, but I would want the United States to survive and come

Caitlynthrough. >> Okay. What if the United States went to war with Palestine? >> Palestine is not a country, >> let's say. Okay. >> And does not have the capacity to be at

Caitlynwar, especially with somebody as far away as we are. >> Yeah. in the hypothetical hypothetically let's say that we did >> the gaz and the the little insyweensy

Caitlynbit that's left of Palestine has the military power to even come close >> let's say we went to war with them let's just say I don't know >> I would be >> which which

Caitlyn>> here let's use I'll like gently redirect us to a real world example with the Vietnam that was a small weaker country that actually had some military it we

Caitlynwouldn't think that it had military advantage But they did end up kind of whooping our ass. >> Exactly. Right. So it could happen in Palestine. >> It could. Yeah. Maybe something like that. I >> We got kicked out of Afghanistan.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Uh didn't we draw back? But I don't know. Um I think we did draw back from We did. Biden did that. >> I mean what? So you evacuate? Yes. But

Brian Atlasif you don't evacuate, what happens? >> We continue to kill each other. Is that what you want? Like do you think there was urgency with

Brian Atlasthe Afghan the evacuation in Afghanistan? Like it wasn't just like uh we're just going to lolly gag here for a little bit and take our time. It was like no we got to get the [ __ ] out of here otherwise shit's going to go down. >> I don't know. It did take us like 15 20

Brian Atlasyears. >> Yeah. That Well, oh my god. Whatever. It's it's not important to the Okay. Which country is your allegiance? The United States or Palestine?

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