2 WALK OFFS?! MEGA Woke Feminists DEBATE Brian?! 3 Men In ONE NIGHT?! HORSE GIRLS! | Dating Talk 276

Date: 2026-01-05

Duration: 9h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMichelle Beriv >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Shantel(guest)

SPEAKER_03Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_04Leah(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Cece(guest)

SPEAKER_11Talia(guest)

SPEAKER_12Anya(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lem(guest)

SPEAKER_14Michelle Beriv(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentLeah reveals she owns 18 horses, shocking the panel

“I have um 18 right now.”

ControversyCaitlyn declares herself a communist and anti-capitalist while working as a stripper

ControversyCaitlyn says she wouldn't be sad if Jeff Bezos was guillotined

“I wouldn't be sad about it.”

QuoteLeah reveals she has made seven figures in a year on OnlyFans

“Yes.”

ControversyTalia says 50/50 chance Trump rounds up trans and gay people

Key MomentTalia argues you can't be racist toward white people in America

AgreementCaitlyn concedes women can be sexist toward men on an individual level

“Honestly, you're right. I'm going to concede with that.”

ControversyCaitlyn admits she giggled at the Charlie Kirk assassination video

“I giggled a little bit at the video.”

ControversyTalia agrees she would support violent overthrow of Trump administration

OtherWalk-off #1: Lem leaves due to autism-related anxiety/overstimulation

Key MomentBrian rates Caitlyn 5/10 after she rated herself 9.75. She gets upset.

OtherWalk-off #2: Talia leaves to take care of Lem. Brian gives speech about weak constitution of the left.

TopicBrian launches his 7-point oral sex defense, the longest segment of the show

QuoteAnya says being on the Whatever podcast is better than sex

“This is so much more riveting and feels better in my mind than sex ever has.”

QuoteBrian: last time he performed oral was during the Bush administration (2007-2008)

ControversyCece reveals ex physically abused her on train in Japan - punching and biting over jealousy

Key MomentCece's 8-month revenge plan to steal shared Amazon FBA business from abusive ex

ControversyCaitlyn reveals three-men-in-one-night story

OtherBrian announces he's contemplating episode 304 being the final Whatever podcast episode

Topics Discussed

Show Intro & Flake Statistics

Brian's intro with 2025 flake stats (1,588 total). Hiring helmet girl sidekick and soldier sidekick.

Guest Introductions

Caitlyn (21, stripper/communist), Talia (25, leftist), Anya (19, OF/conservative), Cece (26, USC nursing), Lem (18, autism/addictive studies), Leah (27, OF/18 horses), Shantel (18, marketing), Michelle (27, receptionist).

Leah's Horse Empire

Owns 18 horses on 30 acres, $10K/month maintenance. Born in a barn. Flips racehorses. TikTok is entirely butt content.

Caitlyn's Communist Ideology

Declares herself communist/anti-capitalist while stripping. Debate on property under communism, Oprah's mansion, guillotines for capitalists.

Immigration Debate

Heated multi-guest debate. Talia/Caitlyn against deportation. Anya/Cece (whose parents legally immigrated) for enforcement. Caitlyn/Talia would side with foreign invaders against US.

Trump as Fascist/Stalin

Talia believes 50/50 chance Trump rounds up trans people. Compares to Stalin. Would support violent overthrow.

Can You Be Racist Toward White People?

Talia argues racism requires power - can't be racist toward white people. Brian challenges with hypotheticals. Caitlyn eventually concedes individual-level sexism exists.

Walk-Off #1: Lem Leaves

Lem (18, autistic) leaves due to anxiety/overstimulation.

Looks Ratings

Caitlyn rates herself 9.75, Brian rates her 5. She gets upset, says it contributes to male loneliness epidemic.

Walk-Off #2: Talia Leaves

Talia leaves to drive Lem home. Brian gives speech about weak constitution of the left.

Oral Sex Marathon Debate

Brian's 7-point argument for not performing oral sex. Hasn't since 2007-2008 (Bush administration). Panel debates if it's 'a little gay' not to.

Cece's Japan Abuse Story

Ex punched and bit her on train in Japan. He abused animals. She executed 8-month plan to steal shared Amazon FBA business.

Body Count Reveals

Leah: 39 (keeps list on phone). Caitlyn: had hoe phase of 10 in a year. Cece: 3.

Rapid Fire Trivia

Shantel initially says Africa when asked to name a country (it's a continent). Math struggles (9+9+9=29).

Caitlyn's Three-in-One-Night

Slept with 2 men, went to third guy's place covered in baby oil. Third found first's magnum condom wrapper.

Possible End of Whatever Podcast

Brian announces he's contemplating episode 304 (mid-July) being the final show.

Transcript

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Caitlynpeople of North America onto these reservations and we restricted their access to resources. That's why those reservations are really shitty. >> They're allowed to move out. >> They're allowed to leave.

Anya>> They're not in prison in these reservations. Are they given the means? Do they have the means? >> Is every person given the means to leave and give a better life for themselves in America? No. Look, I I don't I I don't

Brian Atlasthink we I think we can acknowledge that of course throughout all periods of human history there there look we the standard by which we live today is

Brian Atlascompletely different than really at any other point in human history. But you start going back a couple hundred years and the world looked a lot different.

Brian AtlasWar was common. Border disputes was common. Conquest was common. Mhm. >> Now we have a greater degree of diplomacy where these issues are

Brian Atlastypically not typically not handled with might and force but through well I mean look >> that was okay. >> Okay. We live in a more peaceful time

Brian Atlasthan you know the past after World War II relatively speaking we've lived in a relatively peaceful time. >> Vietnam >> well yes there was the Vietnam War,

Brian Atlas>> Korea, Gulf War. Those were smaller military >> 911 that was 10,000 people I believe. >> Okay, I'm speaking relative. Relatively

Brian Atlasspeaking, we live in a uh unprecedented time of stability and peace. You go, you

Brian Atlasstart going back hundreds and hundreds of years. Uh conquest incredibly common. Native Americans do have some legitimate grievances. There's no dispute there.

Brian AtlasThere's no dispute there. However, the reality is is that conquest was the rule at the time and it is what it is now. And so, you know, how far back can we

Brian Atlasstart talking like how far back can you go? What's your threshold for how far back we can go? Should we go back to the Roman Empire? Should the Roman Empire be able to re reclaim vast swaths of uh of

Brian Atlasof Europe and North Africa? >> I think we should go forward. That's the whole thing about being progressive is like the forward, >> right? how who to which person which group of people if we're saying we must

Brian Atlasremediate all these past harms and if we're talking about uh you know conquest well uh there's there's various territories in Europe that have traded

Brian Atlashands dozens of times over centuries and millennia to who do to whom do we return uh land that has passed from groups of people I don't even know how Keep track of it.

CaitlynWhat's that? >> Land shouldn't be owned by any >> Okay. Well, the communist. >> There we go. It's full circle, guys. >> Wait. If land shouldn't be owned by anybody, >> then Americans have any right to that

Brian Atlasland. >> It can be managed and cultivated in a way that is productive. >> Wait, if land doesn't belong to anybody, the settlers didn't steal the land because it wasn't their land to begin

Taliawith. is that >> you like to make weak arguments. >> I don't think that that's if but we're not in communism right now. So it did to somebody. >> We're talking about what should be

Nick (Producer)versus what backwards. >> Also, I do have to use a restroom, so forgive me. >> We paid them for New York. >> Oh, wait. Stay for this TTS. Hold on. >> A message from the government of Canada.

Nick (Producer)>> Pasty George donated $2004. Chair one is correct. In both Canada and the USA, indigenous people were forced onto small plots of land away from their

Brian Atlasoriginal lands and had their languages and cultural practices outlawed. >> Hey, you do you see that Py George? She was virtually sucking your dick or something. I don't know what the [ __ ] >> virtually.

Brian Atlas>> Virtually virtually. [laughter] Uh that is crazy. Look, I think uh definitely uh there Native Americans

Brian Atlasuh probably did not have a great go of of things. There's no dispute there. Uh but it is kind of the reality of the world. It is the reality of the world. >> Just because it happened and it is true

Caitlynthat it happened like we can't undo it. Obviously, we can't undo it. But we can work towards making things better for indigenous people, for white people, for Hispanic people, for whoever. I'm You

Brian Atlasknow what? Let's go ahead and just say I 100% agree with you. What happened to the Native Americans is wrong. In any case, we now have immigration laws.

Brian AtlasSo, I don't really see how that pertains to arguments as it relates to illegal immigration. Like, it's just an appeal to hypocrisy. Well, you you white Americans, you're all hypocrites. The

Brian AtlasUnited States government hypocrisy. Hypoc. Okay, whatever. We currently have laws as it pertains to legal immigration. So given that, what would actually be wrong with deporting illegal

Caitlynimmigrants? >> I think in my stance, there is

Caitlynmore of a lack of ethics in the detainment and less of that in the deportation. I still think deportation is unethical. I think that we have space for everybody. And we grew up as

CaitlynAmericans. We went to school and we were thought we were we had that picture of the globe and we were all holding hands of, you know, a variety of different skin colors. And that's what I feel like my generation's American ideology,

CaitlynAmerican image was built on was diversity. So, we ought to promote diversity and diversity is a beautiful thing. I would hope that we can all agree with that. Um, I think that everybody deserves access to safety and

Caitlyncomfort and the resources that they need. I wish that these people did not have to immigrate and but if there's a country that has a legal system and you're breaking the law like that's a

Anyarisk that you're taking and that's unfortunate. I think that we should just change the legal system. >> Do you have a right to other people's labor for your basic necessities? >> No. I'm a communist.

Anya>> No. Like that was actually No, that was contradictory. I'm saying, do you have a right to other people's labor to gain to obtain your basic necessities? >> Okay, I see what you're asking

Anya>> because you're saying that every person deserves You're making a deserve claim. You're saying that everyone deserves certain things. >> So, you're saying that I am entitled to somebody else's labor. >> After you work so hard at your job, you

Caitlynwant somebody [snorts] else to come in that didn't work hard for theirs and take your money. I want to work hard for myself and for others. And I think that scientifically there there have been studies that have shown that when all

Caitlynyour personal basic needs are met, your natural direction is to provide for others. So like you see with retired people, they tend to go volunteer because they don't have any they have all their needs taken

Brian Atlascare of and they have a whole bunch of free time where they can just contribute additionally contribute. >> Do you have roommates? >> No. >> Do you have you live alone? >> I live alone with my cats. like your own apartment.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, can I [snorts] like could could you be down to maybe house like maybe some illegal immigrants on your couch? I >> have a couple in Florida you could borrow. >> Bro, I got a couple cousins from Mexico. >> You'd be down.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Yeah. >> Now, what if they just entered your h like you didn't pre-clear it? They just without, you know, checking beforehand with you if cuz it sounds like you would actually be okay with, you know, an

Caitlynillegal immigrant. Well, anybody, I guess, just sleeping on your couch. What if they just entered your house without your permission? >> Well, that kind of leads me into

Caitlynsomething slightly separate, which would be my sense of safety. Like I said, I believe everybody has >> Let's assume they're safe. >> They're safe. >> They're safe, but they they do illegally enter your house. >> I know that they're safe. >> Yeah. >> Then yeah, they're coming in. We're

Anyahaving dinner together. >> So, okay. You're and you're totally fine with Wait, so you're okay if I come live with you? >> You're not safe, girl. >> Okay, so >> wait, wait, hold on. Just to be clear, >> just because I'm politically different,

AnyaI'm not safe. And guess what? Say, >> guess what? A lot of these immigrants, especially from Mexico, South America, a lot of them are Christian conservatives, they just rely on Democrats because the Democrats prop up their immigration. Otherwise, they are Christian

Caitlynconservatives or sorry, Catholic conservatives. Yes. You you would prefer like a male illegal immigrant over her? >> Did we we already established that that

Caitlynmale is safe? I have a sense of safety. >> Yeah. You you'd prefer him >> based on what I know about this woman. >> What do you know about? >> I thought you said diversity. I thought you said diversity is important. Diversity of thought. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Diversity of thought.

Anya>> Wait, is it diversity of color or thought? >> What if he has diversity of thought? >> Yeah. What if he's a conservative? What if he believes the same things I >> He's conservative. I would feel less safe. >> You would feel less safe? Why? Okay.

Brian Atlas>> I'd let a conservative stay, too. I'd let anyone stay if I knew they're safe. >> Yeah. You say this, but I'm I'm pretty sure if somebody just, you know, broke into your house and was just there living there.

Brian Atlas>> If somebody called you even if they were super pleasant and you're like, "Oh, uh, I think he's probably safe, but he just broke into my house." I'm pretty sure you'd have an issue with that. You You want to say something? She would let them stay at her house from her best

Lemfriend. She totally would do that [ __ ] That is some [ __ ] that would happen. I would come to her house and she would be like I'd be like, "Who's this guy?" And she'd be like, "He just broke in. He's just staying here now. It's okay. It's cool. It's whatever. He's very nice. >> As long as he was nice, she would do it."

Anya>> Yeah. You guys, I think >> as long as he was nice. >> Do your parents worry about you? So, all of these immigrants are just nice. They're on the >> No. If I knew they were safe, if I let them stay like What? You don't know anyone's

Talia>> Well, he said that in this hypothetical situation, we [laughter] knew that the person was safe. So, in this hypothetical situation, if I knew they were safe, I would let them stay. >> You also they're going to be spending, you know, your utilities are going to

Taliaincrease and you're going to have to give them a bit of your food. >> I do that for people all the time. >> Yeah. So, you guys make the trip. >> Yeah. Cuz I like to help people. Just like in my free time, I make food and your free time. In your free time. What

Taliaif you didn't do it? >> I use my money and make food and give it to people who are less fortunate than me. >> What if you didn't have the free time and you just had to do it forcefully? >> The government forced it on you. You didn't have to. >> I don't care. I'd do it anyway.

Anya>> I would care. >> I wouldn't like be soing for real. Be so for real. If somebody called you I'm so sorry. If somebody called you right now and what's your name? >> Talia. >> Talia. If somebody called you right now

Anyaand said, "Talia, there's a guy. He's in your apartment. He's he's just sleeping on your couch like he's got all this he just brought all his stuff. He said he's going to live here for the next year. >> You're telling me you wouldn't be like what? You'd be like oh yeah that's

Shanteltotally fine. >> Yeah probably. Honestly if I were you know that's a different conversation different concern. >> How about if you don't know? >> Okay. If I don't know they're safe that's different >> because we don't know. >> You really never know

Talia>> if illegal immigrants are safe or not. We don't know. We don't know. I mean, but the majority of them are, and it's not like they're, you know, coming into your room while you're sleeping. They're living in their house doing their work.

Anya>> Also, I'm going to be so honest. If she considers my political ideology, if she considers that unsafe and that's how we're basing the the safety of the immigrants, actually, let's do that because then that'll mean that none of them will come. So, that's pretty cool.

Brian Atlas>> You can stay too. I don't care if you're conservative. [laughter] >> I We'll go first. >> First chair. We'll go by first chairs. I think this is a scenario where if asked, would you house an illegal immigrant in

Brian Atlasyour house or what if they just like broke in but you know they weren't immediately just assaulting you? Uh you saying yes, I find it completely dubious. Um you know I I think you say

Brian Atlasyes because you know it leads to this. It's like okay well if the borders of your own doicile your own living space

Brian Atlasare uh not subject to uh entry from just anybody then it kind of is a uh it is related to some degree to the

Taliaborders of the nation and you're like your your position becomes a bit untenable if you're like >> I disagree cuz they're not like in your sleeping space like they're just working their job who cares they're in my life

Brian Atlasspace. >> Well, it might be the case that uh so if you're referencing illegal immigrants, but they're not living in your house. Well, things can get immediately as soon

Taliaas you step outside, things can drastically change in terms of crime demographics. >> I've never been made to feel unsafe by an immigrant. I have been made to feel

Anyaunsafe by Americans. >> How do you know? >> How do you Yeah. Also, not even >> Did you just say they're white? Own personal experience. >> Is it just because they're white? That's

Anyapretty racist of me to assume that just because they're white, they're Americans, and because they're non-white, they're not Americans. >> Like, they're people who I know who they are. >> Yeah. It's personal experience. I have I

Brian AtlasI know. Do you feel >> When you see a lot Wait, wait. Question for you. When you see uh Do you feel safe around men? >> Yeah. If they're chill. >> What do you mean if they're chill? Like if they're not trying to make me feel unsafe.

Talia>> Strangers though. >> I mean, I'll be cautious, but sure. Like I'm not going to, you know, run away and be scared of them. >> Okay. So, do you What percentage of men would you say are safe?

Talia>> I would say like 99%. >> 99% of men are safe. Okay. >> I mean, maybe a little less, but the majority I like the majority of men are not out to hurt me. >> Can I ask you a question? If you're

Anyawalking down the street, middle of the night, just for some godforsaken scenario, and there were two girls, any of these two girls on in the lineup, they were walking down one side of the street, and on the other side of the

Anyastreet, there were multicultural, doesn't matter. White, black, Hispanic, Chinese, whatever it is, they're all on the other side, there's a group of about 15 of them. They're all super buff, huge, like, but they're not saying

Anyaanything really weird. They're just all walking too. And like which side do you think of the street you'd prefer to walk on? Because you don't know if those guys >> whichever side I was on. Honestly, I'm not gonna cross the street just cuz there's men there.

Cece>> Can I Can I say something? I would picked the two girls because I go me and my home girl usually go to West Hollywood. I got groped a lot of times for no reason on the the club and not

Cecethe club, the the bar. I don't go to clubs. the bars just and it was a worker there that was the that does valet and he was he looked Latino. He just randomly groped and I was like what the

Taliahell and then ran away. I mean I get that. I've had similar experiences but that doesn't mean that I'm going to assume automatically that a man is going to try to hurt me. >> I'm not saying that men are out to hurt you. I'm the biggest anti-feminist there

Anyais. I don't believe that men are out here to hurt you. But but there's also observations you can make about the general public assuming that hey maybe two 120 130 lb women are not are a are

Anyagoing to be a little bit more safer than a big group of 15 big jacked dudes in a big group that I can't defend myself against unless I'm armed. >> I mean I guess I mean women can hurt you

Anyatoo. >> Okay. We can we can only actually have a discussion if we're going to argue in good faith and actually argue in honesty. Like there's no honest way you're telling me when we leave here that if that scenario pops up, you're going to choose the side with all the

Anyamen. >> I said I don't care what side I'm on. I don't have a preference. Like I'll be on either side. Whichever one's more convenient for me. >> Okay. Stay the night in Compton then tonight. Just do that. [clears throat] >> Walk through Compton Street. >> No, actually like walk through there.

AnyaWalk through. What's that one street where the girl died in the hotel that like the the worst? Skidro. Skidro. Go walk down Skid Row. Actually, tonight we'll go we'll go. >> You know there a difference because the majority of people there are suffering

Taliafrom mental illness and drug abuse. So that actually decreases the >> So you're making assumption. You're making assumption about the people. >> Well, I mean that's facts. There's statistics on it. >> Oh, there's statistics on general population

Talialike Google statistics >> in general locations. Yeah, there's general statistics about that kind of stuff, right? and you make assumptions about people that going off of statistics. It's statistically less safe

Taliato go to Skid than me to stand next to 15 dudes just walking on the street. >> Wherever you go, it's going to be unsafe regardless. Wherever you go, >> I

Cece>> especially during night times cuz I've seen a lot in LA everywhere. Just wherever you go, there always going to be something. >> Do you lock your door at night? >> Uh, no. Not usually. >> What?

Lem>> What? Are you okay? You are actually BSing. You're not having an argument. >> She does that. I COME TO HER HOUSE at like hours of the night. Like 1 in the morning. [laughter] >> You know, I'm scared >> like unannounced.

Anya>> Yeah. Shows up in my room at [laughter] 2:00 a.m. >> to wake you up. Hey, I was bored. Sorry. >> Do [laughter] you not realize like like actually that's safe? Where do you live again? Like don't dox yourself, but like

Shantellike state. >> I live in California. I live in a very safe area. But you're not scared like like not like one bit of fear when you don't lock your door at night. Like not like >> guys genuinely she locks her door at

Shantelnight. I know that for a fact. Everything that comes out of her mouth at this point is just ignorance. So how about if I found out where you live and I can just like walk in willful. It's willful ignorance [laughter] at this point.

Shantel>> Mhm. >> There's no way that can you live your life like that from an outside perspective. Just know it's not normal. >> Are you okay? Okay. Can we punch Nazis? >> Yeah. [ __ ] yeah. My literal Facebook

Anyacover photo says punching Nazis is hot girl [ __ ] >> Okay. So, when somebody calls like for example, chair one, like calling me Nazi or calling Trump Nazi or calling any of these people Nazi, >> I'd punch Trump.

Anya>> Okay. So, that is the same exact ideology that led to Charlie Kirk's death. Um, people being okay with hitting other people and murdering other people for political political. >> I mean, I wouldn't shoot him in the

Talianeck. I'd probably slap him though. >> So again, you're okay with political violence against people that you disagree with. >> If you're being a Nazi, sure. >> What is a >> I think all Nazis should get slapped.

TaliaLike if you're being hateful towards other people, you are actively trying to oppress other people. Then sure, I don't give a [ __ ] >> What's the definition of a Nazi? Tell us text. >> Do you have an exact textbook definition

Taliaof a Nazi? >> No, I'm asking you. Don't Don't >> Come on. If you want me to just pull the answer out, do you have the exact textbook? >> I'm asking you the question. >> You think I just have like a dictionary in my head where I can like list

Lemdefinitions word for word? >> Obviously, Talia, everybody knows that you are the biggest you have the biggest smurst brain. You know everything in the world. You know every definition ever. >> Is it okay to punch me? >> Uh, I mean, you haven't done anything to

Anyaharm someone else. >> You just said if we're hateful and disagree with certain things, I'm pro life. I'm pro-life. Are you hateful? >> I'm pro. No, I don't think I'm hateful. >> I don't think I'm hateful. I'm pro-life. I don't

Anya>> I've seen you do anything that would make me want to hate you. No. >> Okay. So, what have like what is your degree then to when you can hit people or let's just say commit political violence against them for their

Anyaopinions? What's that threshold? If you're actively doing something that's harming or oppressing, if I have donated to pro-life charities, if I have donated to anti-trans charities, anti children,

Taliagoing out and doing something yourself that participates in harming or oppressing someone, that's different than just giving your money. But if you're going around like [ __ ] I don't know, trying to hunt trans people, sure, I'll slap.

Anya>> Okay. Okay. Of course. So somebody So violence. So you're just arresting them, dealing with them in the way that you would anybody that's being violent. So you're not going after them for political reasons. You're going after them because they're being violent. That

AnyaThat's the difference. >> But they're being violent for political reasons. >> But at the end of the day, they're being violent. It's not because just based I'm trying to save you here. I'm trying to tell you. >> You were saying you wanted to be violent for political reasons.

Talia>> I'm trying to save you. They're being violent for political I I don't care honestly. Like >> are you okay with the person that murdered Charlie Kirk? Your opinion?

Anya>> No, I don't think murder is a solution. >> Okay. If he if he shot him and by the miracle of God he survived, would you be okay with that? >> No, I don't agree with shooting people.

Anya>> Okay. So, what's the threshold of violence? Is it shooting? Is it >> give them a little slap on the face, you know? >> Okay. So, how strong of a slap? Like what's the threshold [laughter] how hard you slap? >> Do you know that's a misdemeanor? You

Ceceslap someone. I know. So why the hell would you [laughter] know? >> Why would Oh, so you've done it before and you got a misdemeanor. That's what's up. >> No, my criminal record is clear. >> Okay. For sure. But why would you risk

Taliaat all just to like >> Because I don't like seeing other people be hateful and hurt other people. And if you do that, I'm not I'm not the tolerant left. I am the [ __ ] you and your stupid ass opinion. Let

Anya>> So opinions. So you're saying opinions. So would you hit me for my opinion? >> I told you you're not actively harming someone. I would not hit you. >> Okay. So it's only if I'm going out and being violent towards another person,

Anyawhich then would be held would it would actually be handled by police, by federal law enforcement. It would already be handled. >> Yeah. And if I saw it, I'd still smack you like [laughter] >> like what?

TaliaI'm not just going to watch someone do something like that. And >> so you're going to put yourself in prison. >> I care about other people enough to put myself in harm's way to help that person. >> What if it's not helping that person?

Talia>> It's beautiful, but I think self-preservation is key in life. >> I'm all for helping other people. I would like to help however I can. And if I need to intervene in something, I will intervene in something.

Talia>> But that's the thing. If you resort to violence, you're already losing the conversation. Like, you're just getting your emotions. >> I'm saying I'm It wouldn't be in a conversation. It would be in a violent situation. >> Okay. Give me one example, please.

Talia>> Okay. If someone come up to my trans friend and they're like, "Fuck you. You're trans." You know, and they're trying to start a fight with them. I will step in between them. I will smack them. >> Okay. That's wrong of the person going

Ceceup to like, "Fuck, you know, that's not right." you know, like you you we all we all got to be respectful one another besides a different political belief or like you know, >> that's been my whole point with this. >> So, if somebody let's say we went

Anyaoutside and I was wearing a MAGA hat and somebody came up to me and just slap me on the face, not even punch me, just slap me. Would you p punch that person back? >> Yeah.

Anya>> I will stand up for anyone. I don't care if you're wearing at the same time I'm saying I don't believe in trans. I'm prolife. Well, you're not going out and

Anyaharming me. Immigration D and then that person slaps me and then you trappy that rhetoric is harmful to anyone. >> So you don't believe in violence, >> huh?

Nick (Producer)>> You don't believe >> not unless violence is being used like >> violence. One [clears throat] sec. >> Pasty George. Sorry for the delays. Realistically, all of the land in both

Nick (Producer)Canada and the USA can't be given back to native peoples because many different people born and raised in the West are now indigenous. Think about it. >> It's a good point. Sorry for the delay on that. I had to uh step away from the

Brian Atlascomputer, but uh thank you Pacy George, man. Uh we have one other chat, then we'll get right back into the convo. Uh Fallen Anya, why don't we have you read these? >> Uh if you can read that. [gasps]

AnyaI would let the brunette actually I'm blonde but let the brunette in chair three sit on my face until I died from suffoc suffocation. Side note, when are you having Nick? Oh my god. Please have Nick on the show. Please. I asked you to

Brian Atlashave somebody else on the show and I would I will fly all the way here just for that. >> Yeah. Uh you know I've actually I've been considering it. I I'm not sure if he would do it though. I don't know if he would come on the show. But >> you you should you know who I'm talking about, right?

Anya>> Nick Fuentes. >> No, the other I don't want to like name drop in case that causes a problem. Yeah, I think I know who you're talking about. Yeah. Yeah. Uh uh yeah, I'm I'm >> He would come on. He's doing a

Brian Atlasgenerational run right now. >> I don't know if he would. Um but uh No. Yeah, I've thought about it. I've thought about it. >> Bring him on. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm open to it. I'm definitely open to it. So, >> sign me up for that episode.

Brian Atlas>> Uh >> yes, please. >> Yeah. >> I'm going on the Please. I've just had to be cautious with my show because uh my understanding was like other

Brian AtlasYouTubers got like into trouble in the past for bringing him on. Now it seems like I don't know if YouTube is >> funny now >> has changed up their >> I think because they're competing with

AnyaRumble because Patrick Bed David had him on Tucker Carlson had him on. Every big guy small guy I I was watching a guy that had like 2,000 subs and they got like a million views on that video. So many people are having him on and it's

Brian Atlasfine because they have to compete with Rumble. >> I I think my understanding is YouTube previously was like, "Hey, this person is banned from YouTube. If you platform him, you're going to get in trouble in the past."

Brian Atlas>> Y >> uh but it seems like they've kind of eased up a little bit. So >> I I'm open to having a convo. I'm open to uh I'm open to that. So I don't know if he would do it. I don't know. Maybe

Brian Atlasbecause Yeah, there I guess there's some hesitation in the past because I know another uh another podcast, Fresh and Fit, they had him on and my understanding was they got uh they

Brian Atlasdidn't get banned from YouTube, but they got demonetized or something and so I was like, "Oh shit." Like, >> you know, look, I'm all about I'm fine having these controversial convos, but um >> Do you stream on Rumble?

Brian Atlas>> No. No. I was like, >> you're missing out, dude. >> Is YouTube going to [ __ ] ban me? Rumble is better. Rumble's awesome. Uh, we have another chat here. >> Message from the government of Canada.

Nick (Producer)>> Pasty George donated $2004. Chair three CK was unalived for questioning the events of October 7th and other things. Thrill is doing. JFK

Nick (Producer)questioned. Thrand pushed for inspections of project demon. He was unal alive the same year. >> Uh, yeah.

Brian Atlas>> I love you, Py George. Uh, thank you, Pacey George. Good to see you in the chat, man. Uh, thank you, man. Really appreciate it. [clears throat] And, uh, yeah, I don't I

Brian Atlasdon't think I've I don't think uh I've talked to Nick, though. I'm I don't think we've ever had any combo. It'd be interesting. Now,

Brian AtlasI some of his things uh >> he has some some of his takes I agree with. I'm I'm not going to lie. Some of his stuff I'm like >> I'm not a full 100% supporter of them. I' I've definitely seen some of his

Anyastuff. So, um but uh >> he's a little more socialist than I'd like. But >> Nick, >> yeah. >> Wait, who's Nick? I don't really know. >> Propaganda guy. Nick, he's really short. He's >> That's a woman propaganda.

Anya>> He's so short. >> He's shorter than me. 5'6. >> Uh no, I didn't know he was the guy that I thought he was a regular taller than me. >> Is that fake news? >> No, he's the one that went on I guess with Clavicular. >> The height. No. Clavicular. [laughter] Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I don't know. Um, anyways, uh, Pasty George, thank you for the message. Uh, I I did want to get where were we? >> Uh, as soon as, uh, chair 2's back, I wanted to finish up some of this convo

Brian Atlasand then move into a different subject here, but uh, were there some No. Okay, we're good. >> Yeah, I think Yeah, that's just like fake news. >> Not that short.

Anya>> All right. $200 TTS. >> I think it's cuz he's like he stands next to There was this one guy. I forget what his name is, but he has like >> Kanye West. >> No, >> he has like super curly blonde hair. He's not huge, but he got huge because

Brian Atlasof him. And he's super tall and he was standing next to him. Yeah, whatever. >> Uh $100 read, Venmo, Cash App, whatever. Pod. Let me shout out the Venmo people. Uh Troy, thank for the $10 on Venmo. Appreciate Or was it C? Yeah, it was Venmo. Thank you, man. Appreciate it.

Brian AtlasTwitch.tv/w whatever. Drop us a follow on in the prime sub. Shop.Whatever.com. Discord.gg whatever. like the video if you guys are

Brian Atlasenjoying the stream. And uh there was something else we needed to Hold on. Let me think about what we had to get into. Uh I'll just do the segment now while

Brian Atlaswe're uh so who here does Only Fans? You chair to know. Uh you do Only Fans. You do Only Fans. You No, not you. Okay. But

Brian Atlasyou're you or her manager, whatever. >> All right. So, here, you know, look, um, have you ever had a sugar daddy?

Caitlyn>> Uh, not really. Uh, I've had some guy, some a friend that I went to high school with, he would send me money pretty consistently, but not like at at most

Brian Atlasthe most it ever got to was like a couple hundred in a month. >> Okay. But has like maybe a random guy ever just sent you like 50 bucks or something? Here's 50 bucks. Or maybe at the strip club, some guy gave you a big tip or something. >> Yeah. >> What about you? You ever had I mean,

Anyait's probably baked into your Only Fans, right? Just guys just send you money. >> I mean, yeah. Like I've never had a sugar daddy like situation, but obviously like through OAF, like there it's just OF.

Brian Atlas>> Um, and then I know you guys, you two are not on OAF, but has a guy ever just like here's a hundred bucks kind of simp, you know? Not sent, but I never paid for dates, dinners, nothing.

Cece>> Like feet pics, like here's 100 bucks for feet pics. Have you done that? >> Uh, I went with one guy and he gave me $2,000. >> Can I have you just like Okay. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> No, no. Just uh turn your microphone a little bit. No, no, no, no. Tilt it back down. >> My god. My god. Yeah. We're good. We're good. >> You're good. Yeah. That turn it that way. >> This way. >> Yeah. That

Brian Atlasnow it's too far. Just [laughter] have it like straight pointing your mouth. Okay. >> I think I have to get closer. >> Uh, so you for feet pics, you got some money. >> No, I didn't I didn't do anything. >> What about you? Ever Sugar Daddy? Question. >> Yeah. What's the question?

Lem>> I just want to know like is it difficult to be on Only Fans? Like how much do you have to like >> Hold on. No, no, no, no, no. >> You can't talk about that. >> No, but I'm in the middle of a segment. >> Okay. I'm sorry. >> Your question is not related.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Sorry. >> I Is is it related to what I'm talking about? >> No, I was just curious. >> Okay. Save it for later then. >> Okay. >> Have you Do you want to answer my question though? >> What was your question? >> Hello. Okay. Um,

Brian Atlas>> have you ever has a guy ever sent like sent you money or like had have you had a sugar daddy money for feet pics? Anything like that? >> No feet pictures. No sugar daddy, but I've had guys send me money. >> Just like random dudes.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Like here's a hundred bucks type thing. >> Not like a hundred, but yeah. >> 20 bucks. >> Yeah. >> Just how randomly from Tinder? >> Yeah. From Tinder or like Snapchat? Like you put your Venmo in the thing.

Lem>> No, like you like I just post pictures of my face and then people offer sometimes >> on Tinder. You'll be messaging you'll match >> on Snapchat. >> On Snapchat? >> Yeah. >> But you're not It's not nudes. You're

Brian Atlasnot sending nudes. >> You So they'll just be like, "Here's 20 bucks." >> Yeah. >> For Just curious. Why? Why? Just for funsies. They just send you money. >> Yeah. I don't know. >> Okay. Have you had that? Like >> same as her.

Brian Atlas>> Have you Have you sold feed pics? >> No, I haven't. And no only fans, none of that. Um, but guys have just given you money. Sugar daddies. >> I mean, not sugar daddies, but I Yeah, I >> What about you? You've I'm sure you've

Leahhad quite a bit. >> Well, that's an assumption because unfortunately I've not. >> Come on. >> Aside from OF, I haven't. And it's very actually sad. I wonder how people get them. >> You've never had a guy just here's 100 bucks. >> No.

Brian Atlas>> [ __ ] >> No. I mean, >> okay. Well, you do well on Only Fans, though. Is that correct? >> I would like to think so. >> All right. Do you make six? Have you ever made six figures in a month? >> Yes. >> Okay. >> Have you made seven figures in a year? >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Uh so I mean that's a that's another >> um the horses. >> Have you ever had the guy send you money? >> Yeah. >> Just >> it would be like it would be like

Brian Atlassomeone I'm like talking to or like someone like I meet like at a club or something like that. >> Okay. Wait. Stay here for the segment. Everybody stay at the table for a moment. What about you? Have you had that >> 20 bucks? 100 bucks. Here's just Okay.

ShantelAnd then you >> um Yes, actually I So I used to use this app called EAL. >> Um and it's basically where people can like pay to play games with people. >> Um

Shantel>> Oh, I Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. >> Yeah. So I I used to be a pretty big gamer. I have a pretty like detailed setup. Um >> but not so much anymore. But I've met a couple guys on there that literally just

Shantelfor like conversations to watch a show with them, a game obviously, >> and they'll just give you money. >> I've the most I made in one go was $1,000. >> And it was to watch an anime called

Brian AtlasKonoua. >> So, we're going to do So, here's what we're going to do for, and you may never have to do this again in your life, but uh this is going to be an Uno reverse

Brian Atlasroll reversal. All of you have had some experience of some guy just giving you money just cause just cuz you're a woman just just here's some money. So as a novelty for you that you can be you know

Brian Atlasit's like a bucket list thing you know it's like I wouldn't I would never do this but just so I can say I did it one time. Uh here's what I want all of you to do one at a time. >> I want you guys to go who here has cash

Brian Atlason them? >> Coins I I will accept coins. I will accept foreign currency. I also accept a Venmo and Cash App. I want all of you, whether you have cash or not, I want you guys to send me money.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, I will. >> And you can say one time, I simp for a man. >> I for you, Brian. So, who has cash? Let's start with that. >> This is a shakeddown. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> Roll reversal shakedown. You're the sugar mama. I'm the sugar baby. >> I got you. >> All right. So, go get your cat. Starting with you. Go get your cat. You got to bring us our phones. Which cat you got on you? I have no idea.

Leah>> I want all of it. >> Okay. Oh, that might be bad. >> Everything. [laughter] >> That might be bad. >> I'm going to drain you. >> Oh, no. >> Drain you. You're going to be drained. >> Oh, that's unfortunate. >> Yeah, it's okay. You'll make You're

Brian Atlasprobably You know, you make that in your sleep probably. Um, >> yeah. Go to sleep, wake up. Oh, I made $500 from my stuff. >> Uh, so you have cash on you? >> I think so. >> Yeah, you go get it, too. Who? Who? How? You got Anya. You You better give me

Anyacash. >> I will. I simp. You got cash? Where's the tripping? Cash. Where's the [ __ ] tribute? >> Give me my phone. I'll v you right now. >> Okay. Get Get her the phone. Who? So, >> uh, the one with the with the anti- capitalist

Brian Atlas>> the sticker on it. >> You going You going to give me some some money? >> Just give me 20 bucks. Hey, what about you? You going to give me, >> you know, I have some coins. Purple. Uh, >> quarters. >> Yeah, >> I don't care.

Brian Atlas>> I'll take dimes and nickels. >> I only have quarters. >> I won't take pennies. >> I only have quarters. >> I'll take the quarters. Okay, I got you. >> Okay, get All right, get give me All right, let's see what you do. Are you going to give me some on you right now?

Brian AtlasGo get it, everybody. You have cash on you? >> Cash. >> You going to give me some money >> in return? Can we get some water? [laughter] >> Give me Hey, everything in there. Don't Don't [ __ ] cheap out on me. Let me see. >> Hey, check this out. All right. She gave

Brian Atlasme She gave me two [ __ ] dollars. What? Are you [ __ ] broke? What the [ __ ] >> What the [ __ ] Will you be able to see it when I v my >> Yeah, I'll I'll be able to shout it out. >> Wait, how do I >> Whatever pod.

Brian Atlas>> Whatever pod. >> Not whatever podcast. Whatever pod. >> And this is a good time in the chat. >> In the chat. Send me some money. You going to send me money? You going to [ __ ] You going to send me money? You going to send me money?

SPEAKER_06>> Send a man. >> Give me the [ __ ] point. >> Boy, you sound like [laughter] a pent for >> I'm [ __ ] rich, boys. Rent is paid. >> No. What's the last four? >> Hey, Nick, [laughter] tell him to knock it off back there,

Anya>> Brian. >> Hey, not tell him to knock it off. >> What's the last? I swear. >> What's the last four of the phone number for it for confirmation? >> I I'm not saying that. >> I have it.

Michelle Beriv>> She gave me She wrote >> No, I I found it in my >> It actually Someone gave me money and it was on there [laughter] already.

Brian Atlas>> How much did you send >> the penny? The last bunny. >> 25. [laughter] 25. 25. Oh my god. We got >> grateful. >> Anya. I thought you were a big spender.

Brian AtlasI thought you were a big spender. You gave me a [ __ ] penny. That's ridiculous. Wow. We got This is This is actually, you know, look, I'm used to getting two hundreds. You guys are [ __ ] cheaping out on me. This is ridiculous. I just made $7 from [ __ ]

Brian AtlasWho was that? Who gave me this? >> Give me water. You'll get more. >> That's uh That's crazy. All right. [laughter] Where's I think we're going to the We're going to have uh Leia Leah

Shantelwith the redemption arc. Where is she? >> She's getting out all her funds. >> Oh, >> Venmo wants to send you money. >> Where's the cash? I I want cash. >> I don't have >> Can you Okay, Venmo me. Venmo me. >> Can I get some money?

Anya>> No. Hell no. >> Let's redistribute that wealth, ladies. >> Listen up, you communist. >> You don't get any Why are you asking for money? You're a communist. Somebody distribution. >> She's gonna redistribute it. >> Somebody pay for my fake lashes.

Brian Atlas>> Look at that. She didn't put anything into the system and just wants to take out of it. >> Take take. That's all you guys do. All you do is take. Hey, either do Come on. Hey, what's going on back there? You figure this out. >> Don't worry about it. >> What's going on back there? You What's

Brian Atlasgoing on? >> Men, women. So, Abby Abby P. $1 for Simp. You got to pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers. I don't know who Abby P is. Thank you for the $1, though. Appreciate it. Every dollar adds up. Seven of them is a latte.

Brian Atlas>> All right, we're going to start talking about fascism in just a moment, but um as soon can we get Hey, what's going on back there? Hey, uh [ __ ] [ __ ] or get off the What is it? [ __ ] or get off the pot.

Brian Atlas>> Hey, uh you know, come on. [laughter] >> What is What's going on? >> I need to I need to trickle in throughout the course of the night. You know, every I need a $100 every hour. >> You think I'm My tribute is expensive.

Brian AtlasMy >> what about mine? >> Do you know? Wait, it's a I'm going work on my book. >> Pacy George, you're going to want to stay for this following segment cuz

Brian AtlasLeah, you sent me $2. Leah, [laughter] what the [ __ ] Two [ __ ] dollars? This girl makes millions of dollars a year. Two [ __ ] dollars she sends me. Oh my goodness. >> Sorry. It was that >> That's not even worth acknowledging.

LeahOkay, I'm just deleting that [ __ ] All right. [laughter] >> All right. You're going to have to make up for that. That's insulting. >> I thought I had like full moon. Can you guys see the moon? >> Hey, look right there. Wait, wait.

SPEAKER_07>> Oh, >> right. The moon. >> Right here. You see that? >> Oh, there she is. >> Right there. Nice. Okay. Full moon. Or maybe it was yesterday, the full moon.

Brian Atlas>> It's a wax. >> Okay. Uh, let's talk about fascism, then we can get into dating. So, >> okay. >> Isn't that quite a segue? Uh, so you said I believe you think Donald Trump is a fascist.

Talia>> I think it's leading towards fascism. Yes. >> Do you think Elon Musk is a fascist? >> Um, I mean, yeah, he's in the same boat as Trump. >> What do you think? Do you think Donald

CaitlynTrump is a fascist? >> I think that they could be connected to fascist ideology. >> Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Into the mic, please. >> Um, do I think Donald Trump is a fascist? I think that is the question.

LemYeah. >> Please don't ask me more questions about that. I didn't study before this. I didn't know I'd be grilled. >> Is is Elon Do you think Elon Musk is a fascist? >> Um

Brian AtlasI don't know if I think he's a fascist two then who have a stronger position on this. Um >> let's define our terms. What is fascism?

Talia>> Starting with you. uh alt-right nationalist ideology that involves like suppression of opposition uh centralized government.

Caitlyn>> That that's fascism. >> Yeah. >> Okay. How how do you define fascism? >> Nationalism is a trait of fascism. Um

Caitlynit can be either left or right. Uh technically I don't I tried to look that up. I didn't really understand how. Um um um um um I kind of I agree with I think the

Caitlyngeneral checklist of thing that things that she said. >> Yeah. What what was >> authoritarianism? Yeah. >> Authoritarianism. >> Yeah. >> Okay. What is authoritarianism?

CaitlynWhenever the government, whether it's a small group of people or a large group of people, has um

Caitlyna significant and disproportionate amount of control over its people. >> Wouldn't that be all governments?

Brian Atlas>> You can make an argument for it. >> The government has a disproportionate control over its populace. >> Yeah. um >> as compared to the average citizen or

Caitlyncompared to what? >> So when we're talking about disproportionate >> compared to what? >> Um I guess what would be right or ethical for a government to do?

Caitlyn>> So how much control do you want the government to have over you? Because we have like the United States where it has less control over what we do compared to Afghanistan where women are, you know, forced to have hijabs on. So we have

Caitlynless control in that or less control over us in that aspect. But we do have I would argue >> a an excessive amount of control over us

Caitlynbecause in a lot of states women cannot get abortions. Um we do not have access to all the things that we need. We're we have to work um in order >> working is authoritarian. Having to work

Brian Atlasis authoritarian. >> You could make an argument for it. Let's assume you were the only person alive. Wouldn't you have to work?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> So which authoritarian if there was no one else alive but you and you actually had to like you know you'd probably have

Caitlynto work in the sense of ensuring your survival. H >> where is the authoritarian regime that is >> there isol but there is the authority of

Caitlynsurvival survival and the need to survive has authority over my decisions in this case it's less of it is the need to survive because I still have the need to survive that's every human has that

Caitlynbut it is the government and the capitalist systems that we have in place that force us to work in ways that are kind of

Caitlynseparate or indirect from our survival. So like me stripping for example, it doesn't have anything to do with me growing my own food or building my own

Caitlynhouse. That labor is not directly attached to my survival. >> Okay. >> Right. >> Um >> we can make arguments for whatever.

Brian Atlas>> It's authoritarian to have to work. That's a new one. Um, so if Camala Harris had won the election, uh, you would be living in an authoritarian

Brian Atlasregime by virtue of you >> working a job. >> You could make an argument for it. Yeah, that's >> Did you vote for Camala in the election?

CaitlynSo, you voted for an authoritarian. >> I think that anything under capitalism could be argued for. All capitalism is

Caitlynauthoritarian. Can you have a communist authoritarian government? >> Yeah, we Well, we haven't seen a full communist government. So, I'm not 100% sure, but what was communism in the

Brian AtlasSoviet Union or what was called communism in the Soviet Union was >> authoritarianism. >> Talia, in your notes, or I think it was on your blue sky, you wrote, "You will lose family and friends if their moles

Brian Atlasare [ __ ] One day Trump will be in history books the same as Stalin or Mussolini. >> Yes. >> You You put Trump

Taliaas on the same level as Stalin. >> See, I don't think he's there right now, but I think that's where we're headed. >> Why? Because he's mean. >> Uh, no. Because the way he rules is, you know, actively trying to harm and

Taliaoppress people. And I think it's going to go further and further because no one's putting limits on what he can and can't do. He obviously doesn't have to follow the law which has been made very clear to him. So I don't think there's anything stopping him from doing exactly what they did.

Talia>> How is he harming people? Can you give an example? >> Well, I've given you plenty of examples. >> Your one example is immigration >> and everything he does against trans people, shutting down the trans hotline suicide hotline numbers. [snorts] Like

Taliait's not like he's directly going >> I can call the suicide hotline right now. >> Okay, but they shut down the main trans suicide hotline number. >> Call the regular one. Are you serious? Call the regular one. >> But there's reasons that there's

Anyaspecialized resources for marginalized groups of people. >> Oh, your experiences. >> If it's that aren't the same as yours, >> of course, but if it's that serious that

Taliayou're about to off yourself, which I'm not I'm not a stranger to the situation. Any resource will help. >> I mean, I agree with that, but I think it's also important that we have specialized resources and shutting down those resources is harmful to

Brian Atlas>> Why is it the taxpayer funding that has to do? >> Question. If a trans person is in a burning building like it's burning, do you know should we send the trans

Taliafire crew? >> But I think that's a bad person. >> Why? >> Because people on suicide hotline numbers have specific training to help the people who don't. No, they don't. Yeah, I was going to say I honestly don't mind it getting taken away cuz

Brian Atlasthey don't answer. Also, the the people who work at suicide hotlines tend to be uh re pretty empathetic people is my I mean I don't know look I've never called

Taliaone but I would assume that they are probably pretty empathetic and >> I mean I agree with that but I also think that they can't necessarily relate

Taliato the experiences of LGBT pe I can't even talk right now LGBT people and that we need people who have a full understanding of what's going on for them therapist One question on this.

Brian AtlasShould we prevent or preclude >> trans people from working at the suicide hotline or uh the general suicide hotline because they can't relate to being straight? >> I mean, but they have been straight. They've experienced it in their

Brian Atlaslifetime. >> Oh, so you're saying it's a choice? >> What if somebody like knew they were trans from like a very early age or whatever and they don't have the experience of like going through puberty or you know, >> but there's not a problem that a sis

Taliaperson is going to have that a trans person can't understand. there are for trans people that sis people can't understand. >> I reject the premise, but uh so so I mean

Brian Atlasuh okay. So you don't think like what if I don't want to speak to somebody who's trans? >> I mean >> if I call the suicide hotline, >> then don't you don't get a choice.

Brian Atlas>> It's not transphobic. But you do you like that's not >> but but if if it's okay to create this carve out where well trans people wouldn't feel comfortable not speaking to a trans person at the or trained in I

Taliadon't know what >> but there's a history of why they don't feel comfortable speaking to these people. It's the people who have marginalized them >> marginaliz people aren't being marginalized by trans people. >> You're saying all sis people have

Taliamarginalized trans people? >> No. But I'm saying that in general, it's not trans people marginalizing trans people. >> Okay? >> It's sis people doing it. >> I'm not saying every single cis person

Brian Atlasis guilty, but I'm saying as a whole, that's what has happened. >> So, how can a trans person simultaneously like if if they've been trans most of their life, how could they have the

Taliaexperience of me who's never been trans? >> Well, a sis person isn't going to have specific things that someone who's trans can't understand. You can't understand a trans person like you haven't been through their situation. >> Why would I need to be through it to

Lemunderstand it? >> What? >> Because there's that connection there between two people. There's that unspoken understanding that you are not alone and that there is somebody else out there who is like you who has maybe been through

Brian Atlassimilar things. >> Hey, can you watch that? I can't I'm not paying attention. >> She's loud. >> Okay. All right. Go ahead. Um, [sighs and gasps] where was I?

Lem>> So, you have to be that person in order to understand how they're feeling. >> No, you don't. But I'm sorry for my loudness. That's just the way that I normally speak. Um, I'm not trying to be rude intentionally. Um, again, I do have autism, so I'm also

Brian Atlas>> a little weird. >> Just continue with your point.

LemSometimes it's easier to feel understood and less alone when you're talking to someone who's had a similar experience. >> Can you try to be closer to the mic? >> Had a similar experience in life to you. >> Then go to therapy and pick. >> Yes, that's also a good resource, but

Brian Atlassometimes you need a resource like a hotline in a last minute moment. People who have therapists also call suicide. >> Hold on. Let's get back to the central thing here. We're talking about Trump. We're talking about is if he's a fascist

Brian Atlasor whatever. I think we've lingered too long on the suicide trans suicide hotline here. Uh so what was the your central argument? >> Oh, you were asking me why I think that he could be compared to

Talia>> to Stalin. >> Yeah. Um because I think that he has unchecked power right now and he's not being held accountable for his actions, for his crimes and I think that there is nothing to stop him and I think he could very much do that.

Cece>> Do you know there's the three branches of government? >> I do. That's the reason why we have them here. He's not >> We also have a felon as our president. So, he's obviously not being held accountable. >> Yeah. I mean, look, that was complete lawfare. Well, why don't you, since

Brian Atlasyou're an expert in this, can you tell us uh what what his uh felony convictions were for were for? Excuse me? >> No, I can't. >> You don't even know. You don't even know. It was some bo phony baloney

Brian Atlaslawfare nonsense. >> Uh complete some financial stuff, whatever. Total law. Felons can't vote. Why should they be able to be president?

Caitlyn>> Wait, wait. So, hold on. So, you're saying he wasn't violent, right? >> I I have no idea. >> His convictions were not violent. The convictions, the 34 felony convict

Caitlynconvictions were because of his actions during his first presidential term. >> And like you said, they were financial under his first presidential term. They

Anyawere things that he went through the impeachment. He didn't get impeached, but he went through the impeachment process for. >> So, let's say, let's say hypothetically, let's say that we agree that he is guilty of those things, which I I don't

Anyaagree, but let's say he is. You think he should be held accountable for those things, right? Even though they're not violent. >> Don't you think illegal immigrant should be held accountable for being illegal? [clears throat] I think any kind of illegal immigrant No, I think any kind

Anyaof illegal immigrant should be held accountable no matter whether they're no matter whether they're violent or not. If you cross this border and you're illegal, you should be held accountable. >> So why doesn't Trump have to be held accountable even though >> because I don't I don't agree with those 34 felonies.

Anya>> So you don't agree with the judges and the court and the whole system? >> Yeah. >> That was a lawfare. That was straight up lawfare. >> Your arguments are just very weak. Very weak. >> 10 out of 10. Solid. >> It's unfortunate.

CaitlynHow is hers is very weak when you don't have substantial like good backup evidence? >> Seriously? >> Yes. I'm serious. >> We talked about the evidence at the beginning of the episode. I'm getting my political science degree.

Anya>> Oh, because you have a degree. >> I don't have [clears throat] what's your education? What's What's your >> high school diploma? >> Wow. >> A high school diploma. >> And even are are now are we now going to credentialism? Really? We're in

Caitlyncredentialism now? >> We live in a meritocracy. That's kind of how the world works. >> At this table, we're we're going off of credentialism. >> No, I'm just talking about the fallacies in your argument. The in in your

Anyaarguments. >> Okay. What's the fallacy? What's the fallacy that I believe that illegal immigrants should be held accountable for their actions? >> But not Trump >> because that was clear lawfair. >> There are many there's a lot of evidence

Caitlynof several disagree on that. >> Genuinely, what's lawfare? I have never heard that term before. Or is it like spelled like LZ fair? Is that No, that's not cuz that's more loose. >> No, lawfare. Essentially, it's like if

Brian Atlasyou if you want to try to silence, say a political opponent, uh then you can basically do a fishing investigation and you can just try to look if you look

Brian Atlasinto basically if a prosecutor looks into basically any politician if they were so inclined uh or really even just a normal person off the street. The

Brian Atlasgovernment can find if the government wants to, they'll find something to charge you with. They'll they'll they could look into you and find some crime to charge you with. Maybe your taxes were all [ __ ] up. Maybe you oh, you

Brian Atlasdid something a little fishy with your taxes or didn't report something, stripper. Uh yeah. Yeah, you maybe they'll find something. So, lawfare would basically be you're looking at somebody and um you know there there's

Brian Atlasall these crimes on the book. Somebody you know, you dig deep enough, you'll find something to charge somebody with. And there and the reason for it is not

Brian Atlasbecause of some some seeking of true genuine justice. It's a political opponent and you want to attempt to silence them. >> Yeah. >> If you think he had so much on him like

Anyathere was actually anything violent or serious that he was doing, wouldn't you think they would have gotten him on that and not please correct? It was like a financial thing. It was like it was taxes, investment. It was something along those lines like he didn't pay the

Brian Atlasuh he misreported. >> I I looked it up. It was it was uh 34 counts were the same type of crime falsifying business records. >> Yeah. >> Uh they >> they couldn't get him on anything else.

Brian AtlasSo they went after bank documents. >> The prosecution alleged Trump made or caused false alleged false entries in business records. >> I believe that's the 34 [laughter]

Anyafelonies. I accidentally didn't sign the back of my IRS documents last year. They sent them back. Like I if I don't send it back within the next two weeks, that's tech. I could get some kind of penalty on that. Probably a felony. Like

Anyathere we go. Lock me up. Now I'm a felon. >> The president has like a whole team. Like that's kind of pathetic in my opinion. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Handle your [ __ ] >> I think we should hold our presidents and political figures to a higher standard.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yeah. That part. >> I agree with that. Hold them to a standard, that's fine. But hold everybody to a standard. >> But don't you think it's a Okay, you related, you think Trump will be in history books the same way Stalin is.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> So Trump was already in office for four years. He's now been for his second term. He's been in office for one year. >> Uh I mean >> I mean I think we just have to wait and

Brian Atlassee. Like >> wait and see. Look, he's been in office for a year. Um, people protest daily against Trump. >> Mhm.

Talia>> Face no repercussions. Doesn't really seem like particularly authoritarian or fascist. >> You don't think that deploying the National Guard and all that is fascist? It's using your military against your

Brian Atlaspeople >> when people are burning down cities. Do you think that there's been massive amounts of pro like uh suppression of protests or have there been multiple No King's Days protest that have happened

Brian Atlasand there wasn't any of them? >> Yeah. Were you suppressed? >> Uh no, but I have suppressed. >> The ones in LA have been [snorts] >> uh Yeah. If you [ __ ] go on the highway and block the highway, by the

Brian Atlasway, you protesters are [ __ ] insane. You block emergency vehicles who are just who literally trying to bring people to the hospital. never blocked anyone. >> Yeah, you guys, you protesters, you go on the highway, you block roads. It's

Brian Atlascompletely It's completely ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous. Um, the Democrat opposition has not been abolished. He hasn't dismantled his opposing political parties. Um,

Brian Atlas>> and put Hillary in jail. >> The left-wing media attacks him all the time. CNN's still there. MSNBC, all these [ __ ] left-wing me media news outlets. He hasn't suppressed any of

Brian Atlasthem. go in any other country and do that. >> So this Donald Trump is a fascist. I don't see it. I don't see it. How much

Taliatime needs to pass before we can say you guys were just wrong. Just wrong. >> I mean, hey, if when he leaves office, nothing has happened, you can tell me I'm wrong.

Talia>> He left the first time. He left. >> Insurrection. Like there's no insurrection. What are you talking about? They harmed literal police officers.

Anya>> The only person that was killed was Ashley Babbot, a Trump supporter. >> They harmed literal police officers. And >> yes, I disagree. If anybody actually harmed a police officer, if anybody threw a rock at a police officer, hit a

Brian Atlaspolice officer, put them in jail. Yes. But that was a walking tour through the capital. >> Do do you think the what happened on was it January 6th? Do you think that that was worse than like the the weeks or

Taliamonthsl long BLM protests? I mean, I was too young to be paying attention during that time. >> I remember. >> Wait, too young. You were this happened. >> I was like

Talia16, right? >> That was George Floyd was in 2020. >> 2020 summer 5 years ago. >> I mean, I don't know enough about that. I'm not for

Talia>> Did you post that little black square? >> No, I wasn't even [laughter] into politics at the time. >> I mean, but you must have been aware of the mass. I I didn't pay attention to the news and stuff at the time. It was

Taliaall over social media. It's been a more recent thing. >> You know what? I do know what Yeah. >> Uh okay, we have this chat here. Oh, boy. This is a doozy. All right. [ __ ]

Brian Atlasit. I'll play it. Um All right. >> Uh oh, boy. All right. [ __ ] it. Whatever. It's It's the whatever podcast. Uh, the views expressed by the soup chatters, by the way, are not

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