2 WALK OFFS?! MEGA Woke Feminists DEBATE Brian?! 3 Men In ONE NIGHT?! HORSE GIRLS! | Dating Talk 276

Date: 2026-01-05

Duration: 9h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

MMichelle Beriv >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_02Shantel(guest)

SPEAKER_03Caitlyn(guest)

SPEAKER_04Leah(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Cece(guest)

SPEAKER_11Talia(guest)

SPEAKER_12Anya(guest)

SPEAKER_13Lem(guest)

SPEAKER_14Michelle Beriv(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduce themselves

Key MomentLeah reveals she owns 18 horses, shocking the panel

“I have um 18 right now.”

ControversyCaitlyn declares herself a communist and anti-capitalist while working as a stripper

ControversyCaitlyn says she wouldn't be sad if Jeff Bezos was guillotined

“I wouldn't be sad about it.”

QuoteLeah reveals she has made seven figures in a year on OnlyFans

“Yes.”

ControversyTalia says 50/50 chance Trump rounds up trans and gay people

Key MomentTalia argues you can't be racist toward white people in America

AgreementCaitlyn concedes women can be sexist toward men on an individual level

“Honestly, you're right. I'm going to concede with that.”

ControversyCaitlyn admits she giggled at the Charlie Kirk assassination video

“I giggled a little bit at the video.”

ControversyTalia agrees she would support violent overthrow of Trump administration

OtherWalk-off #1: Lem leaves due to autism-related anxiety/overstimulation

Key MomentBrian rates Caitlyn 5/10 after she rated herself 9.75. She gets upset.

OtherWalk-off #2: Talia leaves to take care of Lem. Brian gives speech about weak constitution of the left.

TopicBrian launches his 7-point oral sex defense, the longest segment of the show

QuoteAnya says being on the Whatever podcast is better than sex

“This is so much more riveting and feels better in my mind than sex ever has.”

QuoteBrian: last time he performed oral was during the Bush administration (2007-2008)

ControversyCece reveals ex physically abused her on train in Japan - punching and biting over jealousy

Key MomentCece's 8-month revenge plan to steal shared Amazon FBA business from abusive ex

ControversyCaitlyn reveals three-men-in-one-night story

OtherBrian announces he's contemplating episode 304 being the final Whatever podcast episode

Topics Discussed

Show Intro & Flake Statistics

Brian's intro with 2025 flake stats (1,588 total). Hiring helmet girl sidekick and soldier sidekick.

Guest Introductions

Caitlyn (21, stripper/communist), Talia (25, leftist), Anya (19, OF/conservative), Cece (26, USC nursing), Lem (18, autism/addictive studies), Leah (27, OF/18 horses), Shantel (18, marketing), Michelle (27, receptionist).

Leah's Horse Empire

Owns 18 horses on 30 acres, $10K/month maintenance. Born in a barn. Flips racehorses. TikTok is entirely butt content.

Caitlyn's Communist Ideology

Declares herself communist/anti-capitalist while stripping. Debate on property under communism, Oprah's mansion, guillotines for capitalists.

Immigration Debate

Heated multi-guest debate. Talia/Caitlyn against deportation. Anya/Cece (whose parents legally immigrated) for enforcement. Caitlyn/Talia would side with foreign invaders against US.

Trump as Fascist/Stalin

Talia believes 50/50 chance Trump rounds up trans people. Compares to Stalin. Would support violent overthrow.

Can You Be Racist Toward White People?

Talia argues racism requires power - can't be racist toward white people. Brian challenges with hypotheticals. Caitlyn eventually concedes individual-level sexism exists.

Walk-Off #1: Lem Leaves

Lem (18, autistic) leaves due to anxiety/overstimulation.

Looks Ratings

Caitlyn rates herself 9.75, Brian rates her 5. She gets upset, says it contributes to male loneliness epidemic.

Walk-Off #2: Talia Leaves

Talia leaves to drive Lem home. Brian gives speech about weak constitution of the left.

Oral Sex Marathon Debate

Brian's 7-point argument for not performing oral sex. Hasn't since 2007-2008 (Bush administration). Panel debates if it's 'a little gay' not to.

Cece's Japan Abuse Story

Ex punched and bit her on train in Japan. He abused animals. She executed 8-month plan to steal shared Amazon FBA business.

Body Count Reveals

Leah: 39 (keeps list on phone). Caitlyn: had hoe phase of 10 in a year. Cece: 3.

Rapid Fire Trivia

Shantel initially says Africa when asked to name a country (it's a continent). Math struggles (9+9+9=29).

Caitlyn's Three-in-One-Night

Slept with 2 men, went to third guy's place covered in baby oil. Third found first's magnum condom wrapper.

Possible End of Whatever Podcast

Brian announces he's contemplating episode 304 (mid-July) being the final show.

Transcript

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Caitlynwestern astrology. So you could argue that it's less accurate. I think it's just fun. It's you can do like little personal personality analyses based off of it.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. And you also write you're a spiritual gal and aspiring advocate. >> Yes. >> What do you advocate for? >> Human rights.

Brian Atlas>> Human rights. Okay. You also describe yourself as an activist on your podcast page. >> Uh you're a leftist. Yeah. >> A feminist. Yeah. >> Are you a socialist

Caitlyn>> or Marxist or communist? I guess >> I have described myself on the on this podcast previously as a communist. Um >> okay.

Caitlyn>> I still have similar like whenever I dream of this utopia, I don't see it with there being money involved. Just

Caitlynlike whenever you imagine like heaven, there's no money, there's no like job. >> Um, >> okay. >> It it would look different. Uh, socialism, as Markx put it, I believe.

CaitlynUm, socialism would be kind of a step to communism. >> Um, communism would probably be the closest way for me to describe what my utopia would look like,

Brian Atlas>> my perfect society. Um, so I guess you could call me a communist. So, you're anti- capitalist. >> I am anti- capitalist. >> Capitalist. Yeah. >> Uh, you work at the strip club. >> Yep.

Caitlyn>> Do you engage in capitalism at the strip club? >> I engage in capitalism outside of the strip club. It's a fun mental Yeah, you

Brian Atlashave to. Exactly. But but there could be circumstances in which uh beyond just providing for your sort of uh basic

Brian Atlasnecessity needs like couldn't you maybe give a discount like do you give strip club coupons or >> I don't >> discounts? No. >> Like you at the strip club you try to

Brian Atlasmaximize your profits? >> Yes. Now, even in a capitalist system, you could still not strictly aim to maximize profits. Like, you could strike some sort of

Brian Atlasbalance between being able to provide for yourself, but also, you know, um not maximizing profits. like landlords can

Brian Atlasstill landlords don't need to charge exorbitant rents and uh maybe they might prioritize like I want to secure a really good tenant and I can do this

Brian Atlasperhaps if uh or they keep an existing tenant they don't raise the prices on them because they're a really good tenant even though they could maximize profits by raising the rent maybe the

Brian Atlastenant stays maybe they go um >> but so why don't you practice it to some degrees I I'm not expecting you to like [ __ ] live on the street,

Brian Atlas>> but you could give a bit of leeway at the strip club. Like give a little bit of a discount at the strip club >> as a show of your worldview and ideology.

Caitlyn>> Yeah. Um I think I would consider it for like more regular customers. At most of the strip clubs that I've worked at, we don't get to choose our own prices. I actually just recently started working at a club where you do get to choose

Caitlynyour own prices. the club will charge you a certain amount for the room. So like 15 minutes, 30 minutes, an hour or per song they charge you and then you kind of charge from there.

Caitlyn>> Um right now we do have a there is a set amount on the song dances so I have to charge um 30 I have to specifically say $30 a song >> and then plus a tip. Um

Caitlyn>> yeah, >> I'm stricter the more the cheaper the dance is. Like for the songs, I have to I keep my shoes on, I keep my clothes on. I have to dance with my shoes on and it's pretty uncomfortable. So, I I try

Caitlynto maximize there. Um, if they're buying a whole bunch of songs in bulk and I can kind of get a little bit more comfortable in the dance, I am fine with a little bit less of a tip cuz, you know, buy more.

Caitlyn>> In a in a communist society, there wouldn't be strip clubs. Correct. >> I don't know. I have thought about that. I don't know. I ideally men wouldn't

Caitlynobjectify women in such a way that would create the necessity for strip clubs but also like prostitution and sex work in general are I think the oldest standing professions

Brian Atlasand >> well I don't think it would like in in the application of communism I don't think that sex work would exist >> maybe not >> because I my understanding from a

Brian Atlascommunist perspective is that sex work is viewed as a capitalist decadence. >> Yeah. >> It's it's there would be no need for sex work in a communist society

Caitlyn>> because you would have I guess in this utopia, this communist utopia, you would have all your basic needs covered. So people wouldn't want to be sex workers as often. Now there's some people that do enjoy it like the dominatrixes and

Caitlynstuff like that, which is, you know, cool and your own grill. It's not my type of thing. So there'd be private, but would a dominatrix charge for that? Well, how would you I don't know in a com

Brian Atlas>> there's no private business in >> there's So they just do dominatrixing for for free, I guess. >> For fun. Yeah, I guess >> for funsies. For funsies. Well, I mean, I would dispute that you said sex work,

Brian Atlasprostitution is the earliest profession. I believe either fishing or agriculture would be probably the earliest profession. Um, >> could be. >> And then maybe shortly thereafter,

Brian Atlashere's a fish, give me some [ __ ] That could >> be like a trade barter system. >> Shortly thereafter, >> you could strip while you fish. >> Yeah, true. I wouldn't. >> Yeah, I suppose you could. Um,

Caitlyn>> if somebody pays you like, I don't know, 30 and then another guy pays you a,000 for like a private room, do you give them two separate things? >> Uh, if they're paying for the same room. So the $30 a song was is for like a

Anyaspecific couch room, >> right? Right. That's what I'm saying. Like one guy pays you 30, another guy pays you a,000. Yeah. >> Those are the prices. You give them two different things, right? >> Um technically >> you're a bad communist. You're a

Brian Atlashorrible communist. >> That's a strip club situation. >> I guess moving on. >> I'm an employee. >> Moving it on a little bit. >> We won't linger too long on this topic,

Brian Atlasbut okay. um in a communist uh civilization society um there are things in the society that need to be done right

Brian Atlas>> like for example can you think of a job even in a capitalist society that is viewed as undesirable >> absolutely >> like perhaps uh waste management so

Brian Atlasgarbage men garbage collectors >> um or people that go into sewers or dirty jobs right yeah Um, how would you have who would do these jobs in a communist

Caitlynutopia? >> I love this question. It's because it's like the most asked question whenever you're talking about communism. >> Yeah. Who would who would do th those jobs? >> So, I guess it depends on if there's like a base living wage where there's

Caitlynstill we're still getting quantifiable income for the labor that we provide or if there's no wages. We we'll go with the no wages option just because that's a little bit more of a complex argument.

CaitlynI would say um no wages uh we all mutually meet each other's needs. So we would be living in smaller communities. There would be no like national

Caitlyncorporation overhead uh leading the the waste management. Um so it would be on a small scale individual

Brian Atlasstudies have >> question for you though. of the existing housing stock that we have. Uh how would we for obviously

Brian Atlasthere's more desirable geographic locations. Southern California very desirable location to live. Uh Indiana not so much. Um,

Brian Atlasif I guess everybody's equal in this circumstance, um, like how would do we just demolish our existing housing stock? >> Not necessarily.

Caitlyn>> So, who gets to keep who gets to stay in the mansions? >> Mansions is a different one. I think mansions preferably in a utopia would be

Caitlynmore shared and communal spaces. Um, so like groups and big families that want to live together. I think that would be a good way to distribute the mansions. >> Okay. >> Um desirable locations, so like really cold versus really hot, you know, stuff

Caitlynlike that. >> One part of that is people already live in those areas and are choosing to live in those areas. Now, you could argue that they're living in those areas because they can't afford to live in a place like Santa Barbara or something or

CaitlynSouthern [snorts] California, something like that. Um it is real expensive out this way. Um, but like for me from North Carolina where it's a lot more affordable to live, I wouldn't live anywhere else. I I love it there. Um, so

CaitlynI think a lot of the times that's going to be the case is where people want to be able to stay where they're at. Addressing the issue of people relocating, um,

Caitlynit would just depend on how we're getting everything done. If we need more of that undesirable labor to get done, that could be an incentive for either

Brian Atlasstaying or leaving an area. >> Okay. But I think part of the reason that people might remain in less desirable geographic locations in the United States, I agree with you that some people are kind of uh what would

Brian Atlas[snorts] be the right word? Perhaps content >> with living in these areas, but some people do so out of economic necessity. Um, I'm I'm confident if for example, I I don't know what the exact number would

Brian Atlasbe, maybe it's half. If we were to all the people that live in like super cold regions in the United States, I guess some people some people like that. I'm not going to dispute that. if we were to

Brian Atlasoffer them a uh transportation totally free to Southern California and if we were to offer them free uh housing and food in California, I'm confident you

Brian Atlaswould see large swaths of the United States population who live in colder regions or less desirable geographic regions. It doesn't even have to be California. It could be Florida. It

Brian Atlascould be other parts uh more desirable geographic locations. So I guess do we just completely abandon the existing housing stock in sort of you know middle

Brian Atlasof America? >> Maybe not completely abandon. I would say repurpose and reuse those those already constructed buildings. >> And then what do we do with like the massive influx of people who would move

Caitlynto like say California or Florida? >> If there was a governing body over this geographical region. Um I I like to

Caitlynimagine like um an ethics council that would govern areas little by little. Um so this ethics council rules over this

Caitlynarea. Um I would say it would be part of their ethical considerations to consider the geographical limitations of these areas. So if there's only so much land

Caitlynthat can be used, it would be unethical to bring more people in cuz then it would lead to unsafe housing conditions. What what if people don't consent to communism? Like you realize that there are

Brian Atlascapitalists in society that would fight against communism. >> It depends on how the transition goes. So like >> give let me give you an example. So Santa Barbara, the area we're currently

Brian Atlasin, uh there's an area of Santa Barbara called Monaceto, which is obscenely wealthy. It's one of the wealthiest parts of the entire country. Oprah Winfrey lives there. A bunch of other

Brian Atlascelebrities live there. What's stopping me once we descend into a communist society from Well, I want to

Brian Atlaslive in Oprah Winfreyy's house now. She doesn't want other people to live in her house. So, but what's stopping me

Brian Atlasand a band of rag tag Santa Barbara people from just taking her house? >> Or does she It's not her house anymore, right? >> Whose house is it? I guess yeah there's

Caitlynno personal there's less personal property. Um >> is there a state >> that would like I said depend on the the way that we transition into that. >> Um so like I said it would in a in a

Caitlynpeaceful in the peaceful way of going into communism. I guess we would go through socialism um have universal basic income uh basic

Caitlynneeds all met um through income through you know making sure that we have the income that we need. Yeah. Um, and then we would eventually, I guess, get to a point where we wouldn't need the income. So, at that point, maybe everybody would

Caitlynagree to no longer have income. >> But there's no private ownership of property, right? Is that >> I think my f my personal focus is less on like private ownership of property

Caitlynand like more like corporations, billionaires, like the massive scale. So, like, >> but can I own a do I own a house? Is a house mine?

Caitlynunder communism. >> I think I would say ideally yes in the way that that house is your access to safety and shelter.

CaitlynYeah. Safety. You know what a house naturally provides? Safety, shelter, and comfort for you to develop your family. That would be I would consider a basic human right. >> But are we all equal

Brian Atlas>> under communism? >> Equal is a strong word. So why does Oprah get that house and I'm living not in get that house? I don't think >> so. She gets kicked out of her house. >> I would argue yes.

Brian Atlas>> Does she get the guillotine as a capitalist? >> That's not for me to decide. >> Would you like to see capitalist guillotines? >> That's a controversial question.

Caitlyn>> Why is that controversial? Well, if I were to want to be a politician one day with my political science degree, I don't want to be on the interweb saying, "Yes, Jeff Bezos should get guillotined." That would be And now

Caitlynyou're we're going to clip it and it's going to go crazy. >> Well, yeah. I mean, I mean, is that your position?

Caitlyn>> I wish that there was a way for all of us to live peacefully together without there having to be guillot guillotines. I'm sorry. >> But do you think the world would be more peaceful if we were to

Anya>> Yes. >> Guillotine? Well, I didn't >> Wait. So, are you okay? [laughter] >> Are you okay with offing people because of their political or financial >> like perspectives? >> Political? No.

Caitlyn>> Wait, wait. So, hold on. Or sorry. Do you want to continue answering the question >> real quick? Political? No. It depends on the steps that we've that we're taking and that we've already

Anyataken. Like if we're in a revolution and we're trying to take over the world, >> somebody could get to Elon Musk and take over his house. >> But you're saying you're saying guillotine, which is inherently like a state authoritarian thing. It's not like a individual doing something to another

Anyaindiv. >> Well, the collective people could could guillotine. >> Yeah, that that's what I mean. Like it's a large body of people typically in in charge or that have revolted that are doing it >> and [clears throat] typically it's

Anyaagainst somebody who has a different political leaning. Yeah, >> because it's they're capitalists, right? >> So, are you okay with >> offing capitalists? >> I No.

Brian Atlas>> Well, you just said >> So, are you okay with Jeff Bezos? >> I said that I would I would be okay >> if somebody else did it. [laughter]

Caitlyn>> I wouldn't be sad about it. That is the >> like you wouldn't hold Jeff Bezos down, >> but you would be in the crowd cheering. >> I wish that there was a peaceful way to go about things and I hope that there is a peaceful way to go about

Caitlyn>> a peaceful way to guillotine people. >> No, not to guillotine people. Just to have to cultivate a kinder society. >> That's all I want. >> How did Stalin and Mao go about their communist

Brian Atlas>> killing millions of people? >> But those millions of people were not I assume were not the wealthy. No, they weren't. Um, question. How much do you do you have any savings? >> Um, for for my upcoming tuition. Yeah, I

Brian Atlashave >> couple thousand in savings. Do you have any crypto or >> Yeah. Um, but you have what, maybe $10,000 in savings? Less? >> Way less?

Brian Atlas>> Less. Okay. Uh, I don't know exactly where I don't I don't know where that puts you on a global scale. Well, my I guess kind of my issue here a

Brian Atlaslittle bit is uh you may be in the 1% globally. So, what happens when like third worlders view you as the 1% and come for

Caitlynyou with the guillotine? >> I would hope not. I try to advocate for everybody and be kind to everybody. I'll smile at everybody. >> You're a 1enter. They don't care. You're going to get the guillotine.

Caitlyn>> I would really doubt that I'm a 1enter. Like if you are if you drove here, flew here like >> globally. Uh you know >> you might be in the 1% globally.

Brian Atlas>> Uh no I don't think that >> if you have a few thousand in savings you might be 1% globally >> maybe. >> Think about you got to think there's like what 1.4 4 billion people in India

Brian Atlas>> and like 1.3 >> nine of those people whatever uh they don't have the equivalent of $1,000 in savings. >> So globally uh I mean I don't know you

Caitlynkind of seem like a bit of a capitalist >> hoarder over here. >> I'm about to spend it all on tuition. I don't even have my full semester's tuition right now. >> That's your own thing though. You're not spending it on other people. Would you

Brian Atlaslike to see a hegemonic worldwide communist system? >> Uh, I don't know what hegemonic is means. >> Okay, let's forget that. Would you like to see communism worldwide?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. I mean, so like you worldwide, you're the top you're in the top 1%. You have massive amounts of privilege. You live in the you live in the United States. >> Mhm. blonde white woman.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Yeah. So, when we uh under a communist system, I don't know if a bunch of people would want to geographically relocate to the United States if we've completely done away with the, you know, because a lot of people come to the

Brian AtlasUnited States for economic opportunity. Uh would you um I'm pretty sure they're going to kill you though. >> I hope >> like in the in your communist I don't I think they're coming for you too.

Caitlyn>> Maybe, but I hope not. I try to use my privilege the best that I can and advocate the best that I can and um I'm not doing everything that I could for sure. And I have a lot of privilege.

CaitlynI'll be the first person to say that is I do have a lot of privilege. Um but like I said, I just hope the best for everybody. I hope that we can live in a peaceful world. And if I am at the cost of that, if my life is the cost of that,

Caitlynthen that >> What about Elon Musk? >> If his life is the cost, I really don't like that guy. Yeah. >> Does that justify coping him? No. >> How about this? Should Elon Musk with

Brian Atlasall his his vast wealth, most of which is uh is tied up in uh stocks and his businesses. But uh should he get the guillotine? >> No.

Caitlyn>> Why Jeff Bezos though? You said Jeff Bezos should get the think. Okay, let me let me reflect. No. Ethically, they should not get the guillotine. >> But where's the butt? Give us the butt. redistribute their wealth. They should

Brian Atlasredistribute their resources. >> Also, I saw uh on your blue sky, you have some thoughts on Elon Musk. Can you stop making that noise, please? >> Um >> Yeah, I don't like him either.

Talia>> Yeah, you said Elon Musk is a what? >> Oh god, I don't use Blue Sky that much. I don't remember what I said. >> You said he was a a Nazi. >> Oh yeah. I mean, he or you think he's a

Talia>> he did the Nazi salute and my whole family is Jewish. They came over during the Holocaust and it's something that even if that's not how it was intended, that's how it comes across.

Talia>> Can I show you a video? Do you by the way uh Mom Donnie? >> Yeah. >> Like you know New York how he >> Are you Are you a fan of Mom Donnie Zoran? >> I don't really know that much about him. I haven't been following it that

Brian Atlasclosely, but >> Well, he ran for mayor of New York. Can I show you a video of his Nick? The first one, please. Uh, so he This is his acceptance speech. Go ahead and play it. >> Oh my god, it's a Nazi. >> Wait, wait, can we play the video, please?

Brian Atlas>> Wait, >> and then play. [laughter] >> Um, so just want to be clear. >> Can you tell us >> uh is that a Nazi salute that the that that Democrat just did? >> I mean, I guess so.

Talia>> Was that a Nazi salute, though? Do you think >> Do you think he was trying to do a Nazi salute? But I think Elon has also shared a lot of takes uh that you know give

Taliabacking to calling him a Nazi. He allows a lot of hateful speech and rhetoric and he promotes it. >> It's >> what what has he said that's Nazis-esque?

Talia>> I mean I don't go on Twitter but I know that it is very full of that and I've seen stuff you know retweeted and shared by him. I don't have direct quotes for you because I honestly don't read that much of it. But

Talia>> so free speech is Nazis-esque. >> I mean, if you're being like a Nazi, then free speech is being a Nazi. >> What is a Nazi? >> A Nazi? It's someone who's anti-Semitic.

AnyaYou know, the people who killed the Jews. [snorts] >> Weren't they socialists? Aren't they the National Socialist Party? >> Um, I have no clue. >> Solid 10 out of 10. We're talking about Nazis. We don't even know who they are.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, >> let let me do the Let's do this. Uh, so do you think Elon Musk is a Nazi? Do you agree with her? [clears throat] >> I think he did do the Nazi salute. >> Did Okay, for you two.

Brian Atlas>> I do not >> pull up the video again really quick. >> Let's just pull up the other one. The other one. Both videos. Cuz it shows both. All right. So, we're going to play these. Go ahead. Play. >> No audio. >> I turned off. [laughter]

Anya>> Okay. Matti so much wants to light with it though. Like >> to me it seems like he's just giving like a bro fist like >> aggressive. There's also like 10 other videos of like a million other Democrat politicians that have done this. >> To me he's not doing the Nazi salute.

Brian AtlasThat does not look like >> y'all don't see the difference. >> Well, there there's a difference obviously like they're they're going through the motion a little bit differently, but the final ending gesture is pretty much Ellen does it

Caitlynquicker. But I think >> I'll grant you Ellen moves quicker. Besides that, the actual gesture is the exact same. You're going to >> had his hand up like more like a wave. Elon, it was very much diagonal.

Brian Atlas>> Show us how he did it. Show us how Zoro No, how about this? So don't show us cuz you think Elon Musk did the Nazi salute. >> I want Here. Show the the Zoron one again.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Watch that that wrist angle. >> So question for you. If mom Donnie here, >> that's [laughter] very straight. >> Start from the beginning, please. >> Yo, that is just like >> Yep. >> Oh, that's straight. >> Oh, look at that. It's just so straight.

Brian Atlas>> Just like that. >> Here. Watch. Watch. Watch. >> Look at the angle. >> Watch it three times. >> Look at the angle. >> And I want you to do it. Go ahead. Do it. >> That's literally No. Do his motion. >> No. Do the motion. Do the motion that

Brian Atlashe's doing. >> I'm technically German. I >> look. Look. Do so. >> That was a beautiful >> straight arm. No, his arm is not bent. Go ahead. Do it. >> Do it more straight.

Brian Atlas>> Do it how much. >> Wait. If he didn't Hold on, hold on. Hold on. If If he did not do a Nazi salute, then you should have no problem copying it. >> All right. >> Right. >> I'm just saying. Oh, she's

Brian Atlas>> It's easy. Yeah. >> No, don't. The [laughter] hands wasn't bent up that much, but >> I'm really >> All right. Clip it and chip it, boys. >> Yeah. [ __ ] got Nazi. Life in the flesh. >> Yep. >> Look, look. Elon Musk, uh, I'm pretty

Taliasure he's autistic, right? Um, a little bit autistic. >> The guy didn't do a Nazi salute. Come on. >> I think it's willful ignorance to say

Taliathat he's not doing it when you can easily see what his rhetoric and stances have been on a multitude of issues. And I don't think autism is an excuse for it at all. There are plenty of autistic

Lempeople who would never say or do that kind of behavior. >> Can you give one? >> Namely, I am diagnosed with autism. >> I was I've been diagnosed since 2023 and I would never do the >> Can you give one specific example of one

Taliapolicy that he gives that is Nazi or something he has said that is Nazis-esque? >> I mean, again, I don't have word for word, but he was backing Trump who's pushing fascist ideology. >> What has Trump said or done that is

TaliaNazis-esque? Well, he's a strong nationalist telling other people they need to get out of our country. >> What is wrong with nationalism? >> Nationalism is inherently wrong because it's saying that, oh, we the white

Taliapeople here are the superior people everyone else. Get out of here because we're in the United States. That's >> You said Americans, not white people. >> Yeah. Are other countries allowed to be nationalist? >> Brown Americans are getting deported.

Talia>> They're not American. They're illegal. >> There are there have been rage baiting the liberal. There have been legal immigrants here who have been deported. You can look it up. >> They haven't. They've been arrested by

Anyaaccident and then taken, processed, realized that they're legal, released back. Or if they have been arrested, it's also because they've been beating police officers and different things like that. They don't get >> by accident part, but they're not exactly nice about it.

Caitlyn>> I wouldn't be nice about it at this point. >> Re girl, what the [ __ ] Anyways, >> they're taking over the country. Anyways, with the interrupting, it's crazy. [laughter] Um,

Caitlyn>> uh, what the I'm sorry, excuse me. >> The what are the the detainment centers? Yes, the detainment centers. There has

Caitlynbeen evidence that has recently come out that has shown torture and unfit conditions um, for these immigrants, whether they're illegal or not. And it has also been shown that the majority of the

Caitlynpeople that are being held in these centers are nonviolent criminals. The >> talking about ccot. >> I'm talking about the detainment. Yes, that one. >> Yeah. These are murderous people that

Anyahave killed that have raped. Sorry, graped. >> You're telling me that the people in SEC are just brown people. >> The people in the detainment centers. >> No, I'm talking about SECOT because that

Taliareport was made about SEC >> with the interrupting. Chill. Go ahead. Well, you interrupted her. I'm just saying. >> I'm good. I'm not gonna go into the rage

Taliabait with you. I think you have your opinions and I have my opinions and that is that. >> We're here to discuss our differences. >> You're not going to get into the rage bay with her or [laughter] >> Yes. What was

Anya>> I promise I'm not Rachel. That was actually a big thing about my last podcast and especially Rachel. Rachel, I love you. But she said that I'm like I don't actually hold my beliefs. Um I do

AnyaI've I've faced a lot of monetary repercussions because of it. So I mean I'm happy to debate this time. I mean I wouldn't debate with you cuz I agree with you but yeah I I actually hold these beliefs

Cece>> not just rage baiting. >> Can I say something? So you're saying like they're being treated like bad in these like centers but at the end of the day they committed a crime. They were here illegally and I Okay. you're you I

Ceceam Mexican. I my parents came here legally. They went to the process and there's so many like people that come here that shouldn't be here that are

Ceceillegal. Like we have too much people in this country. If like for example you go to Japan, Korea, their migration, they're super strict. They be asking why you here, how long you're going to stay.

CeceThey're like a hawk on you. If you overstay your visa, they kick you out immediately. >> Mexico. Mexico. in Mexico. Mexico Mexicans don't want like Americans there too. If you see recently in the news

Cecelike Mex like um like Mexicans were like get like get out Americans, we don't want you here. Pretty much like I'm a proud of American. I'm an immigrant or I'm a first generation

Brian Atlasimmigrant. >> Let's let's do this though. Um >> uh okay. So uh [sighs] well we already talked about

Brian Atlasthe Nazi stuff I guess. Um, but so you is it I guess both your positions that Elon Musk is a Nazi. Is that correct? That's your position. >> I mean, I don't think he's going out

Talia[ __ ] trying to kill Jews and stuff, but I think he's like doing actions that are Nazis-esque. Yes. >> Nazi. >> I don't know. I made a word there, but like >> Well, I'm not I'm not quarreling with

Brian Atlasyou about the that word. I think it's fine. I and you she was asking can you point to something that either I guess either Trump or Elon Musk has done that is

Brian AtlasNazi. Um but we're not looking we don't need a v verbatim quote if you get a word or two wrong. You can even tell us the essence of what you think I told her.

Talia>> No but what is the essence of what Elon Musk or Donald Trump is doing that is Nazisesque. I think the way that they are treating immigrants in this country

Taliais exactly like Nazi Germany. It's how it started. Like my whole family comes from there. My family was in the Holocaust and they have said that it reminds them of exactly how the Holocaust started and they're scared of

Taliawhere it's going. >> Are they putting them into um execution camps? >> I mean those detainment camps that they have them in are horrible. There was a woman there who didn't get medical care at all and she died cuz she was pregnant.

Brian Atlas>> C can I ask you a question? If um if I were to go to Israel without a visa like and I overstayed my uh my visa in Israel

Brian Atlasand I was deported from Israel, would Israel be acting in a Nazisesque sort of way? >> Well, I don't agree with the Israeli government at all either. I think that

Brian Atlasthey are also not great. >> But I sure but I'm asking would and you could replace Israel with any country, right? you could replace with Japan if

Brian AtlasI, you know, I I go to Japan and I overstay my visa but and I want to continue staying there. >> So I think what they're doing is Nazi like

Brian Atlas>> Okay, but I'm asking you if I get deported because I'm there illegally at that point. >> If I get deported, is the action that the government is taking but through deporting me is that

TaliaNazisesque behavior? >> I think it's the part where they do it in mass. It's not like they're just doing a few people. They're rounding all these people up purposely hunting them down >> illegally. >> But they're going they're going up to

Brian Atlaspeople just cuz they're brown. Like >> let's go ahead. You know what? Let's just go ahead and for the sake of the argument, let's go ahead and say that's wrong. >> Now, of the people that they do deport, are you okay with that?

Talia>> Uh, no. I think that this this place is supposed to be a land of opportunity. It's supposed to be a melting pot. I think that everyone should be working to support each other and help each other

Taliahave a better life. And I think people like that are escaping from a situation that's not necessarily good for the most part. And a lot of them are searching for a better life here. And that's what we're supposed to offer. We're supposed

Taliato be the land of the free. We're supposed to be this place where people can have their American dreams come true. You know, >> are we just the world's dumping ground for people? >> Then we have to suffer for it. Like we are the land of the free, but like

Anya>> not the criminals. >> We should not all criminals. They're just like >> Are you okay? Are you okay with deporting the illegal or the criminals? People that have >> If they're violent offenders, sure.

Talia>> But the majority of them are not violent offenders. They're just people working in the farms. >> But you see, a lot of Americans want slave labor. >> Want people to come to our country, but legal Wait, what?

Anya>> I just got her to admit that she's okay with slave labor. No, I'm saying I think that our farm workers are underpaid and treated unfairly. >> And you because they're illegals and they're paid under the book. If they were Americans, they would actually have

Taliato report these numbers and they would have to pay them fairly. >> But I don't think that's right either. I think we should be trying to do more to help everyone instead of trying to make people >> Where's the money to help everyone? We

Taliahave homeless vets laying on the side of the street just [ __ ] spent on a gold ballroom and you're saying we don't have enough money. That was not through taxpayer money. That was all through donations. >> There's plenty of money that they spend

Shantelon frivolous stuff that could be going to help people who actually need it. >> I agree. >> Legal people though. >> Yeah, I would I would agree with the one argument just being like we can't even take care of the people who are already here.

Shantel>> I mean, we could we have the means to. It's just not happening. >> We're spending it too much on a million. >> That exactly. That's why it's not happening. >> That's not why it's not realistic. So you you got to think realistically. Can

CaitlynI ask one more question? >> Illegal immigrants contribute more to our social funds than they receive. So they don't receive any like that's disputed. There's massive amounts of

Brian Atlasdispute there as to the net uh economic benefit of illegal immigrants. Massive amounts of dispute >> benefit that they receive or both I mean it depends what framework you're looking

Brian Atlasat it from. But there's a lot of uh there's different um ways you can do an analysis on on this. And if you're accounting for certain things like well

Brian Atlasokay we need to uh you know are you accounting for the a lot of these illegal immigrants they just go to the hospital for their uh medical treatment and then they never pay their uh

Brian Atlashospital bill. are we accounting for that in the economic calculus of the net uh impact of illegal immigration? And so

Brian Atlasyour your uh math on that would probably exclude things like that. >> Um that could that is a fair argument.

CaitlynUm something that I did just write about in um one of my final papers was the fact that deporting now this is slightly separate but deporting um all of the

Caitlynimmigrants or the majority of the immigrants um in the United States would actually lead to a between a four and six something% uh decrease in the GDP which is similar as

Caitlyn>> perhaps >> similar rates to that of that we saw that in the 2008 economic recession. >> Is GDP the only metric that uh matters if you're doing a analysis of the

Brian Atlasprosperity of a nation? >> No. And that's a silly question. >> Well, I but that's what you cited to. You were like, well, the GDP would go down. >> That's one. >> Even if we grant that that's true and there's some dispute whether the GDP would actually go down, maybe it does,

Brian Atlasmaybe it doesn't, or maybe it's not quite as severe as you say it would. So, >> so >> I think people would be willing to take a perhaps marginal economic hit if it

Brian Atlasmeant that all illegal immigrants were deported from the United States. >> Like for example, in order for us to put murderers away, we have to have a robust

Brian Atlasuh criminal justice system, we need to hire investigators and police officers to investigate uh murders. And that costs money and it's expensive to go through the justice system and you know

Brian Atlasthe maybe they're trying to find the guy that can cost hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars. That's very expensive. I don't really care what the cost is you know. Yeah. >> Uh as long as we get murderers uh

Brian Atlasjustice. >> Absolutely. >> Right. So in this case, um I don't think when we're talking about wanting to deport illegal immigrants, I don't think people are solely focused on the

Brian Atlaseconomic impacts of illegal immigration. I think they're thinking about other things, too. Also, does your analysis of the GDP does it factor in like here's one example. Uh how many do you know how many illegal immigrants are in the

Brian AtlasUnited States? >> Um no, not off the top of my head. I know that there's No. No, I don't off the top of my head. >> Let's say it's at least 10 million. I think the numbers are higher. I Some

Brian Atlaspeople say 11 million. Some people say it's in the 20. Some people say it's in the 20s and the 30s. >> Who knows, right? Okay. >> It's definitely over 10 million. Do you think all the legal immigrants are homeless? >> No.

Caitlyn>> They're living somewhere, right? >> Well, uh, how much do you spend on rent? >> I spend $1,520. >> Rent is expensive, isn't it?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. So these illegal immigrants, they're not homeless. They're living somewhere. That's housing stock that could otherwise be freed up for uh citizens. >> So >> So there's uh there's a lot of, you

Brian Atlasknow, when we're doing this analysis, I'm sure that well the GDP would go down. Okay. Well, it's plausible that uh our rents might go down too if we free up like massive amounts of housing stock.

Caitlyn>> I have actually I heard that in my urbanization class. Um we talked about that and that was the first thing that he one of the first things that he said and uh that could be very much true that

Caitlynor no it would be true because you're increasing the supply of housing that we have and that would >> um you know make more dem demand available um or you know however it works I'm sorry >> what one other or sorry did you want to

Caitlyncontinue >> what would additionally free up the housing market would be to reduce or eliminate big banks and big corporations

Caitlynand Airbnb from being able to purchase these properties in bulk. Like these big billionaires have a whole bunch of vacation homes. How you having a limit

Brian Atlason vacation homes would also free up a lot of housing. >> So So I I am aware that like Black Rockck for example has bought up a lot of houses. Nick, can you just do a Google search for how much uh how much

Brian Atlasof the housing stock in the United States is owned by private corporations? So, look, I don't I wouldn't necessarily object to like if you own more than like three properties or something, maybe even two properties, there should perhaps be a vacancy tax. A lot of

Brian Atlas>> redistribution. >> Well, I know in Canada, for example, a lot of rich Chinese people Well, I don't think it'd be redistribution. Uh, a lot of Chinese people have bought up a bunch of properties in Vancouver and Toronto

Brian Atlasand the price of rent in various Canadian major cities has completely skyrocketed because the Chinese wealthy are like, "Whoa, this is a good investment." Canada is like very um has

Brian Atlasa very kind of well, I don't know if it's is it stable? I don't know. Canada's kind of getting [ __ ] a little bit, but uh Canada's uh a good place to buy real estate for a lot of these

Brian Atlaswealthy uh foreigners or whatever. And so I I'm not really opposed to like a vacancy tax. I I think that's probably fine, but I don't think that that does

Brian Atlasanything to diminish my point. And by the way, I think the amount of uh in terms of the amount of housing stock that corporations own, it's far less than what is occupied by legal

SPEAKER_07immigrants. Nick, do you have a number? >> Uh, yeah, sort of. It's hard to know that number >> corporations own 9%. >> Aren't these corporations one and 10?

Caitlyn>> Aren't these corporations also classified as too big to fail? >> That was how a lot of corporations were um classified during the recession. I don't know if these specific ones, but I

Brian Atlasknow that that was how some companies were, especially banks were classified during the recession. Uh but I mean going back to a point you were making, you were saying that these people are they're leaving their countries, they're

Brian Atlasrefugees, they're asylum seekers. Uh I mean I kind of think it's [ __ ] I think they're just economic migrants. And also part of asylum seeking or being

Brian Atlasa refugee, uh I believe international refugee or asylum law is like if you're coming from South America, you have to stop in the first country that's safe.

Brian AtlasYou can't just hm oh uh I want to go live in uh you know this this country a little further away. No, you have to stop in the first country that I guess is safe. I'm not maybe I'm not

Brian Atlasarticulating it perfectly, but these people pass through otherwise okay uh countries in South America, Central America and well I guess we'll

Brian Atlasinclude Mexico in this. Um, you my understanding is you can't leave Mexico to come to the US as an asylum seeker. Mexico is not viewed in that way is my

Taliasaying it's necessarily asylum seeking. I'm saying they're trying to make a better life. And I don't think that that should be an issue. My stance on this is an ethical one, not one based in, you

Taliaknow, the GDP and stuff. Mine is about other human beings and trying to lift other human beings up to have a better life. because I think everyone deserves it. >> So, do you think everybody should just be allowed to come here? Like, that is a

Taliagenuine question. Do you think everybody should just be allowed to come here? >> I don't care. Do what you want to do. Like my whole thing is if something is good for you, then if you're not hurting anyone, then do it. What if it does hurt people? What if it does hurt? >> It's not hurting people.

Anya>> It is. It objectively is >> What has a Mexican immigrant ever done to hurt you? the mass immigration from Mexico, from any of these countries where it's been. >> Let's just look at Somalia. But what has

Shantelone ever done to hurt you? >> It's not exclusive to the US though. Like immigration anywhere is going to come and like take problems either way. Immigration, >> what problems has it caused for you

Taliapersonally? >> Why would she wages? It's hurting people. I want to know how >> it's hurting the American population. News? >> Yes, I do watch the news.

Cece>> What are you watching? Fox. >> Do you know who MS-13? Like you know all of those gang members mostly are Latinos. >> Do you know anything about the Somalian >> Somalians too situation? >> You're going with that. >> No, I'm just It's one example.

Cece>> I do know. >> What's wrong with Quick question? Why did your parents immigrate here? >> Um to have a better life. But they did it legally the legal way. But that can

Cecetake up to 20 years. Not everyone has that long to get out of their situation. >> In Mexico, there's no Okay. Some parts like the cartels are like, you know, taking over, but a lot of parts of

CeceMexico, it's like fine to live. And like you said, Brian, um it's there's no asylum seeking. So, a lot of Mexicans are going illegally like boarding the the

Shantel>> I don't know why people try to act like Mexico is like full of just a country, drugs, corruption, sex, rape. Like there's other things in that country, you know, right? like houses, mansions,

Taliahotels, resorts, tourist attractions, like >> people live there. >> That's what you tourists see of it. That's not the reality of living in it for a lot of people. There is rampant political

Anya>> That's not the reality here either. >> Is that not the situation here too? >> Like LA games are like like >> Good point. >> Like America is so cooked right now. Like it's actually >> I agree with that. America is cooked right now.

Talia>> So should we be going to Mexico to seek asylum? [laughter] If you want to go to Mexico to seek asylum, you do you. I, what I said, I'm for doing what >> I would do.

Cece>> Would you go illegally, >> bro? If I want to go somewhere, sure, I'd go illegally. If I want to get out of America, >> if they find out you're illegal in Mexico, they'll kick you back to America. Just saying. >> And >> also, you can't country will deport you.

TaliaYeah, that's almost every other country. >> Every other country, you can't do I mean, I'm more for going to Sweden personally, but they'll support you there, too. >> Why don't you leave? >> Because I have a life and I have a family and I don't have the means.

Brian Atlas>> Do you do you question question for you guys going around the table? Uh, do you think America is the best nation in the world? >> Yes. No. >> Yeah. Yeah. I love America. >> No. >> Yes.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> So, okay. Uh, where where would you rather be? You said Sweden. Sweden. Sweden. >> You go to Sweden. Okay. Um, >> free healthcare and stuff. Pretty sick. Free health.

Anya>> Yeah. But their that, but also their population is extremely homogeneous with just a tiny tiny. >> It's changing and a lot of the welfare is changing as well with that.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. Well, so here's the thing, right? So, you can either have uh you can either have a robust welfare state or you can have robust illegal immigration, but you can't have both. >> I think you can have both.

Talia>> You definitely can have both. I think we can provide welfare and we can make I'm not saying they have to stay illegal. I'm saying we can make it easier for people to become legal. >> That's fair. >> That's fair.

Anya>> I'm kind of against that. >> I I agree with fixing the system because I think you should flush it. I think the situation that it is right now, it's backed up by years and years that needs to be flushed and changed. But I also think we should be much much much

Anyastricter with the people that we do let in once we do change it. >> Daycare. Yo. We shouldn't just be letting every person in just because they want to come in.

Brian Atlas>> Uh but so, okay, so ju just so I understand your position, uh of the illegal immigrants who are criminals, >> violent offenders, >> violent offenders, to be clear, you're fine with them being deported. Is that

Taliacorrect? >> I mean, I think that they should face legal repercussions and if they have to go face that back where they're from, that's fine. I don't think like if you're not a violent offender, I don't think that that should apply to you. But

Brian Atlaslike if you did something to physically harm someone, then yeah, like I don't care. >> So okay, they can be deported. But then of the people who let's assume that

Brian Atlasthey're not committing uh well, aside from being illegal immigrants, uh they're not committing like specific uh crimes that don't relate to immigration violations. M

Talia>> uh you're not okay with them being deported? >> No, I think there are a lot of the majority are hardworking and trying to make a better lives for themselves and their families and they should be allowed to do that. >> But >> uh why can't they do it in their home

Taliacountry? >> A lot of them don't have the means. They feel that they can't do it there. There's corruption. There's violence. Whatever the reason may be, >> that sounds like a >> There's a reason that America is

Taliasupposed to be the land of opportunity for people. there's the whole American dream thing. It's because people have the opportunity to do so much more with their life

Brian Atlas>> and okay, but so that is true of the legal immigrants that we let into the country and of its existing citizenry.

Brian AtlasHowever, uh the American government has passed laws and has had laws on the book for a very long time preventing or attempting to prevent illegal

Brian Atlasimmigration. And so the United States as a country and as a government has made a determination that you can't come here illegally. So regardless of somebody's desires, if

Brian Atlasthey want to make a better life for themselves, uh that that doesn't give them c uh free reign to stay stay in our country, enter our country. Doesn't give

Brian Atlasthem free reign regardless of, you know, the feelood. Yeah, it feels great. Okay. Well, we have laws. >> How long ago did your ancestors immigrate here? >> Uh, I I'm not sure how that'd be

Caitlynrelevant, but >> Well, cuz a lot of us, especially white Americans, have >> immigrant ancestors that came from Europe and from my Germany and we assimilated. That's the difference. We

Caitlynassimilated. >> We did not assimilate. We committed a genocide against the indigen. How far back are we going? And it's not a genocide >> against the Native Americans. >> It's not [laughter] a genocide.

Caitlyn>> That is a genocide. >> We wiped out like the majority of their population with disease and like violence. >> Yeah. Well, disease. Hold on. Dise disease >> intentionally. Hold on. No, it wasn't intentional. >> One civilization took over another civilization.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. It wasn't intentional. Uh first off, when it comes to disease, you think that uh the typical settler in the 16, 17, 1800s, do you think like they had robust Do you think they had Wikipedia?

Brian AtlasYou think they knew about germ theory? >> Is that what I said they were doing? >> You said You said it was intentional disease spreading. No. These people were got people got sick. They had no [ __ ]

Brian Atlasclue about people didn't know in the 18 the 1700s and the 1800s about disease. >> That's completely overstated. Completely [ __ ] I'm pretty sure it's even fake news either. >> Go ahead and slaughter I will concede and

Brian Atlas>> yeah. So which do you believe we live on stolen land? >> Yes. >> Okay. Uh to to which tribe should we return the the land to? >> A variety. There's a variety of indigenous tribes. >> But here's the question you have to ask.

Brian AtlasUh the tribes even before uh the white man ever stepped foot in the United States, these tribes were conquesting their own tribes. They were well not their own tribes, other tribes. They

Brian Atlaswere fighting and taking their land and taking their game. And so to which tribe do we return this stolen land? Is it to the the tribe that was conquered by the Apaches?

Caitlyn>> Is it multiple >> the Chipoa? Do we do we return it to the Chipoa or the tribe that conquered them? >> Whatever tribe is and then also the land back is going to be if we want to do it peacefully, it's going to be a whole

Caitlynprocess. And there's a whole bunch of different tribes that are in the United States because there's different regions that were I don't want to say operated by because that's a that's a word that's a phrase choice.

Caitlyn>> Um >> but people that resided in these areas indigenously, but then there was also no nomadic tribes. So it's a very nuanced

Brian Atlasissue. Look, I'm not saying that the the that there was no plight of the Native Americans and certainly in some regards they were absolutely wronged uh you know in terms of broken treaties and and so

Brian Atlasforth. However, do you think that they were a peaceable people before the white man came to North America? >> Um I wasn't there. >> Okay. You weren't there when the white

Brian Atlasman was there either. >> No, there's like recorded history. >> Huh? There's recorded history of this >> happening. History is >> right. Okay. There's also recorded history of massive amounts of intertribe warfare.

Caitlyn>> Yeah. >> Right. Okay. >> I'm not saying that >> they were good or bad or I'm actually going to say that that's bad, but that's a human nature argument. What the

Brian Atlassettlers did was conquest and which is exactly what they were doing to their other to the other Native

Brian AtlasAmerican tribes. We did conquest for no less or no more. Is it no more noble a cause? No more no more. No less. No, I don't know which one it [ __ ] is. Uh

Caitlynno less of >> Yeah. Which one is it? No less of >> um >> they were conquering each other. Yeah, >> they were conquering each other

Caitlyn>> for good faith, right? But they were also overall living in a way that was more compatible with >> the earth's natural functions. >> I thought you said >> how they were murdering

Anya>> You weren't there. [laughter] >> I wasn't there, but there's evidence. >> The American buffalo in the Midwest, they would literally run them off of uh >> cliffs. >> Cliffs because they just needed the meat

Taliafor one day. They would waste so much. think what we're doing is better. >> The pollution, the massive cattle farms. You think that's more humane than just killing one animal because you need them?

Brian Atlas>> They weren't killing one animal. They would run an entire herd off of a canyon. >> Okay. So, we should keep them all in little tiny cages. >> I mean, yeah. What uh European settlers brought civilization to North America.

Brian AtlasSo, I mean, yes, there's absolutely criticisms of in terms of pollution. Uh uh some of the blame there would be more modern industry would you'd place the

Brian Atlasblame on them. Um but uh yeah we brought civilization to North America. >> Can I ask you one and just like follow me really quick here? Okay. Not every

Anyapilgrim and person that came colonizing the US they not all every single one of them was violent. Correct. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, what about the situation going on with I'm not just saying Mexico, but

AnyaI'm saying mass immigration from Somalia, from Mexico, from any of these places. They're coming into our country. A lot of them, especially with the whole Somalian thing right now, they're explicitly stating that they want to make their own little political

Anyaenclaves, their own little societal enclaves. How is that not their own little mini form of colonization while they're taking over our country, our resources, our >> They're not going around slaughtering people. Some of them are violent as you

Taliajust admitted. >> Can you give me a percentage of immigrants that are violent and trying to slaughter people? >> What percentage of the pilgrims were violent? Because that's that's the point I'm making. Is that

Caitlyn>> was that quantifiable data now for more modern times? We cannot as easily quantify population and rates from the 15600s. >> Okay. I'd love to get numbers then.

Nick (Producer)>> We we have two chats coming through. >> Metro donated $200. >> Yo, Metro. Thank you. I love big booty Latina traditionalists and who should expedite their visas. [laughter] Share one and two. If America is not the

Nick (Producer)best in the world, why do so many come here illegally instead of their stable neighbors? >> It's a good question. >> They can't fly to Sweden. They don't have the means. Do they have the means to get here? >> The question I believe was their the

Brian Atlaslike Mexico's neighbors is pro what I would >> Well, if America is so bad, you guys probably aren't big fans of America. You think America's so terrible. Why would you be so in favor of all

Brian Atlasthese illegal immigrants coming to the United States if America's so bad and it's fascist? America's fascist. Why should people come here if they're about

Brian Atlasto enter into a fascist Nazi regime? >> Well, I don't think it's fascism yet. >> It's about to be 1930s [ __ ] Nazi Germany in the United States. Why should

Brian AtlasAre you sure it's the best? Are you sure it's really safe for these, as you said, brown people to come to the United States when we're about to be in a we're going to have a Nazi fascist regime? Is it is it really safe for Don't you care

Taliaabout the well-being of these illegal immigrant brown people? I'm worried for them. I'm kind of scared. I don't think they should. >> You know, my honest opinion, I don't think it is safe for brown people right now. I don't think it's safe for trans people. I don't think it's safe for so many people.

Talia>> They You're right. Maybe they should not come here. You're >> Or or me, [laughter] hear me out. Maybe we should just stop treating them like [ __ ] >> Who's treating them like [ __ ] >> It's down to the individual. What are they doing to them?

Brian Atlas>> What are they doing to trans people? What are they doing to trans people? >> Would you would you go to war? Like not literal war, but if I got deported from Japan cuz I was like, damn. I was trying to, you know, I was trying to get, you

Brian Atlasknow, I was trying to, you know, be a little weeb in Japan or some [ __ ] Would you cry a tear? Would you shed a tear for me if I got deported, a white man, if I got deported from Japan? I mean, sure, if you're really bummed

Brian Atlasabout it, I'll shed a tear for you. >> I'm so sad. >> Then I'll shed a tear for you. >> My little Japanese girlfriend. >> I would not shed a tear for you, Brian. >> You wouldn't shed a tear for me? >> Cuz you're not following the law. >> We have Pasty George.

Nick (Producer)>> Message from the government of Canada. >> Pasty George donated $2004. >> Oh, thank you, man. >> The illegal immigrants in the USA do not pay taxes because they are there illegally, and the companies and

Nick (Producer)corporations take advantage of them by paying them less with no benefits. Uh, yeah, that's true. That's true. Here we have two chats um that I'm going to

Brian Atlasread. These are just for reads. They came in a little while back. The TTS, we give them priority. Thank you again, Pacy George. I'm strong. Hey, Brian. Love from the UK. What do the women on your podcast actually think of you? [laughter]

Brian AtlasBe honest. Uh, probably most of them dislike me. Some of them, some of them probably think I'm okay. >> We like,

Brian Atlas>> but most of them 97% dislike probably. Um, so thank you for the message, man. Really appreciate it. Uh, and then we have Chaw. Interesting that all of these refugees send billions of dollars per

Brian Atlasyear back to their home nations and tax-free remittances, all while enjoying taxfunded social safety nets. Sounds like plunder to me. Plunder. Good word.

Brian AtlasCha, thank you, man. And then uh we have Spaxs here. Thank you. The natives were still in the Stone Age versus a technologically superior civilization.

AnyaThe fact they're still alive is just further evidence of Anglo's benevolence. >> Wow. >> The benevolence is wild. >> I mean, have you ever been on a Native American reservation? We literally had

Taliato teach them how to fish cuz over time they >> My boyfriend's whole family is Native American, so I >> Okay. Yes. Individual. >> Did you force them on to Do you Did you take like a history class like ever in your life? >> Go ahead. >> That was a question. Did you take a

Caitlynhistory class ever in your life? >> No, I've never ever ever learned history. No, >> I was an honors history. >> Google is free, y'all. Google is free. We pushed the Native Americans onto the reservations. We have the whole Trail of

CaitlynTears that was like, right, >> it's still acknowledged on our highways. Like, you could see where it's posted at. If y'all ever go visit the East Coast, go take a look at it. Trail of Tears happened. We pushed the indigenous

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