She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #177

Date: 2024-07-10

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDeadbeat (Christine)>

AAmanda (DT177)>

AAndrea Vasquez >

EElissa Cheeseman >

SSerena (DT177)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01Libby Spain(guest)

SPEAKER_02Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_03Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_04Serena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrea Vasquez(guest)

SPEAKER_07Dob Jones(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madzilla(guest)

SPEAKER_11Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_12Elissa Cheeseman(guest)

SPEAKER_14Deadbeat (Christine)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDob Jones introduces herself as "Dolphin Girl" and explains dolphin communication is "telepathic holographic picture talking."

“my name is DOB Jones and also known as dolphin girl and I'm an animal activist I do Dolphin Research in the cognitive Sciences of dolphin communication”

QuoteAlien reveals she is dating a tree near her house.

“there's no real story there's just a tree down the street from my house I think he's beautiful and I'm dating”

QuoteDeadbeat estimates she received approximately $800,000 in gifts/cash from men over 8 years of stripping.

“maybe like 800,000 over time I would say”

QuoteBrian asks Dob Jones if she has had "carnal knowledge of a dolphin."

“this is a dating podcast have you had carnal knowledge of a dolphin”

OtherDeadbeat tells story of Waka Flocka Flame's team dragging her into his section at a strip club; she was defended by his crew and left with ~$2,500.

“this is Waka Flocka and his team... he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and Drug me into the section”

OtherDeadbeat tells traumatic story of a customer masturbating on her feet during a back-room private dance.

“I open my eyes and this guy is straight up on my feet... he was just straight up jerking off on my feet”

QuoteBrian mentions Big Labia Matter (BLM) nonprofit — 10,000 labiaplasties per year in the US.

“check out my nonprofit movement big labia matter BLM for short it's really the pressing issue of our time 10,000 labia plasties a year just tragedy”

QuoteAmanda declines the self-rating question with "peace and love" and claims "we're all tens."

“I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of Consciousness into the sphere... with peace and love”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women who self-rate 8-10/10 are delusional due to constant simping/gas-lighting in their DMs; cites "female narcissism" as a byproduct of male attention asymmetry.

“this is why you end up having a room full of women who are you know... and they go I'm a 10”

ControversyExtended heated debate between Andrew Wilson and Andrea Vasquez / guests about whether male preference for clean-shaven women is correlated with pedophilic tendencies.

“if a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to be shaved down there... is that of the nature of being a PDF file... it is a... yes”

QuoteAlien discloses race-play degradation kink — wants white men to use racial slurs but only if they seem genuinely uncomfortable doing so.

“I like degration so like... I just want them to degrade me in a racial way I know it's like it's more trauma response type of thing”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas opens show, references Santa Barbara Lake Fire (12% contained). Guests introduce themselves: Madzilla (model/artist, LA), Alien (warehouse worker/OnlyFans, AZ), Deadbeat/Christine (stripper/OnlyFans, Riverside), Amanda (sculptor, NJ), Andrea Vasquez (jiu-jitsu coach, NJ), Dob Jones (dolphin researcher), Elissa Cheeseman (fashion grad, PA), Serena (nursing student, SB), Libby Spain (entrepreneur, TX), Andrew Wilson (debate host, remote).

Madzilla / BigMilkGang Bitcoin Donation

During intro Brian references a $100K Bitcoin donation from BigMilkGang for Madzilla.

Dolphin Communication and Telepathy Debate

Dob Jones explains her research on interspecies telepathic communication with dolphins. Andrew Wilson challenges her on scientific evidence, citing Amazing Randi's $1M prize for demonstrating psychic abilities (zero successful claimants). Dob cites a 1997 newspaper article where she called dolphins in front of a reporter. Debate covers faith vs. evidence, military ESP programs, and the nature of consciousness.

Relationship Status and Dating Histories

Brian goes around the table asking relationship status, roster size, and longest relationships. Notable: Deadbeat had 4 men paying her bills simultaneously; estimates ~$800K in gifts over 8 years. Amanda is in a 4-year age-gap relationship started on DMT. Alien is casually talking to someone for 1-2 weeks. Madzilla has a 5-year-old son from a brief hookup.

Strip Club Stories (Deadbeat)

Deadbeat shares two strip club stories: (1) positive celebrity encounter with Waka Flocka Flame — invited into his section, left with ~$2,500; (2) traumatic back-room story where a construction worker masturbated on her feet during a paid private dance. Andrew Wilson challenges the boundary-drawing logic; discussion of strip club etiquette and parasocial relationships between dancers and customers.

Trump vs. Biden: Who Would You Sleep With?

Hypothetical question: Trump or Biden? Panel answers. Deadbeat: Biden (soft old man energy). Elissa: declined (has boyfriend). Several pick Biden. Andrew criticizes everyone for missing the obvious answer (Biden would forget about it in 5 minutes).

Sassy Men Apocalypse

Deadbeat discusses the "sassy men apocalypse" — attractive mid-tier men becoming increasingly sassy and expecting to be chased. Panel discussion on gender dynamics in modern dating.

Self-Rating Round (Wisdom of the Crowd)

Andrew Wilson proposes "wisdom of the crowd" framing — asking guests what 1,000 men would rate them on a 1-10 scale. Amanda refuses to engage ("we're all tens / peace and love"). Most women rate themselves 8-10. Andrew rates himself 4. Dob Jones: 6.5. Libby Spain: 5. Extended meta-debate about female delusion, social media gas-lighting, and the epistemics of self-assessment.

Do Women Get More Attractive With Age?

Brian asks guests whether they will be more physically attractive at 35, 45, 55 vs. now. Most younger guests say yes; Dob Jones (55) says she would have been more attractive at 45 (pre-stress). Andrew argues all-else-equal, women peak young. Libby Spain invokes "law of diminishing returns." Discussion of Botox, societal standards, male vs. female aging.

Age-Gap Relationships and Social Stigma

Discussion of whether society normalizes old men dating young women in film (James Bond examples debated; Andrew asks Dob to name a movie where age-gap is promoted as good). Dob cites Hugh Hefner. Andrew argues men who date younger get called "PDF files" while women who date younger men are called "cougar" — and that the stigma on men is actually greater.

Female Condom Demo

Brian produces a female condom and passes it around. Panel reactions vary — Alien says she used one and had to get Plan B when it shifted. Amanda immediately leaves. General amusement and awkwardness.

Feminist Identity and Female Oppression Debate

Extended segment asking guests if they identify as feminist. Definitions debated (Andrew: "rejection of patriarchy"; others disagree). Discussion of whether women in the US are oppressed. Body hair, shaving preferences and pedophilia correlation debated at length. Bear vs. man in the woods poll conducted.

Race Play / Degradation Kink (Alien)

Alien discloses she is into race-play degradation with white men — but only with men who are visibly uncomfortable saying racial slurs, not ones who are eager. Traces the kink to a childhood racial incident. Andrea shares that her ex-boyfriend later revealed a financial degradation fetish.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Most women choose bear. Brian offers $100K challenge to any woman who will spend an hour in a 10x10 room with a black bear. Alien volunteers. Percentage of men who would attack estimated by women: ranging from 10-20% to 50%.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonseeing every human being as a person as an equal oh okay so Muslims are

Andrea Vasquezfeminists it's not like a it's not like saying this is a movement it's it's more like I see you as a human being and we're equal and I see you as a human and you're not lesser than me so so let me

Andrew Wilsonask you a question assuming that men think that they're I don't know greater than on the hierarchy than women so they don't believe that you're equal would that be

Andrew Wilsonpatriarchal men being high on the hierarchy mhm yeah okay great do you think traditionally that men have been at the top of that hierarchy yes and do

Andrew Wilsonyou think that femin were attacking those systems in order to make them equal so depending on the wave of

Andrew Wilsonfeminism any wave um for sure yeah okay well then feminism

Andrew Wilsonis a rejection of patriarchy and patriarchal systems isn't it no I guess I'll have to give it to you yeah I guess you will anyway so back to where we were

Andrew Wilsonat before I was so rudely interrupted go ahead uh the definition is a rejection of patriarchy in patriarchal systems and you can see the feminist here agreed

Amandathat that is the definition yeah if you're going to reject a because I see it

Amandaas um if there's going to be a system to have a balance within that system and equality within that system not just

Amandawhere system is predominantly malale dominated or female dominated get equal ah so if it's

Andrew Wilsonequal and traditionally men have been at the top of the hierarchy if women wanted to equalize it what would they have to be rejecting yeah what you said patriarchy

Andrew Wilsonyeah the patriarchy so feminism is a rejection of patriarchy in patriarchal systems yes or no yeah great we're all on the same page with the definition of feminism so let's just get around the

Dob Jonestable if we can do you consider yourself a feminist I guess so yes yeah into the mic um I believe in

Dob Jonesfeminism because I believe that a woman should have the right to make her own choices especially

Dob Joneswith birth and life and feminism that whole movement is about women's rights so women weren't

Dob Jonesgiven the rights to vote women weren't given the rights to make decisions about their own bodies and it was given to men who only a seahorse knows what it's like

Andrew Wilsonto be pregnant so feminism so so what you're saying is men who are at the top of the hierarchy are being opposed by women who

Dob Joneswant to reject them at the top of the hierarchy no I don't want to reject men I just want to own my own rights to make a decision so F what if men don't want

Dob Jonesyou to well maybe you don't but no what if some other men do yeah what if men

Dob Jonesdon't well feminism is a movement for rights just like the gay but but who are they appealing to for those rights who are they appealing to the

Andrew Wilsonwomen mhm yeah the so who didn't give them those rights and then after they appealed to that group gave them those

Dob Jonesrights well the men didn't give the women rights it was just the system of because there's there's women in the

Dob Joneshang on hang on hang on in the House of Representative there's women in the Senate was there women in the senate in the House of Representatives before women had rights [Laughter]

Andrew WilsonI'm not sure but there was a lot of women behind the answer is no right if women have no rights how could they be in government so okay so you're just saying

Dob Jonesthat women stood up for themselves and said we would like to have our own rights to make decisions no I'm say for their rights so then they it got labeled

Dob Jonesto be feminism and we're not really against men but for whatever reason men were making a majority of the rules so so that would be call if men are making the majority of the rules and

Andrew Wilsonthey're at the top of the hierarchy what would you call that um imbalanced would you call it a patriarchy I would call it imbalanced it wouldn't be called a patriarchy not in my book it would call

Andrew Wilsonif it's imbalanced and men are at the top of that balance so if it's imbalanced we have a seesaw here and when this side goes down that's women

Andrew Wilsonhere and and this side is men because it's imbalanced so men are up here do we have a word do hang on do we have a word that would describe this phenomenon of

Andrew Wilsonmen up here and women here what would you call that an imbalance yeah it's I know it's an imbalance but another word is there another word you can use

Andrew Wilsonbesides imbalance that would reference the men that were here wack a seesaw wax

Dob Jonesum delusion I don't know there's lots of could the word patriarchy be used for that I think that's just your favorite

Andrew Wilsonword so of course us it for you but I'm sorry I I want to figure out your word if there's an imbalance I just reference an imbalance of power where men were at

Andrew Wilsonthe top of a hierarchy would patriarchy describe that phenomenon perfectly no not for me oh what word would not well

Dob Jonesfor you yes but not for me for me yeah for you what word would well

Dob Jonesequality um equality from who who do you want to be equal it's not about being equal with a man it's about a woman and

Dob Jonesa man coming together and sharing being equal no both having their right to make decisions so being equal with men it's

Andrew Wilsonnot about an equal so if men have all the rights and women have no rights and you want to be equal who do you want to be equal with I want both of them to have rights

Dob Jonesto make decisions yeah so men are here let's say men are everywhere thank

Dob JonesGod I know you love that word so you have patriotic ideas and thoughts and words and it's not patriotic listen let's try again let's try again let's try again I

Andrew Wilsonhave a different way of descri if women are being oppressed women being the monolith of all women there's only two sets of human beings women and men

Andrew Wilsonthat's all that exist women men if women all women are being oppressed who are they being oppressed

Andrew Wilsonby oh there's not just men and women there's what's really there's other what are they are they the the ludian who the

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] are the third if there's not just men and women who are they are they the are theyan no there's transgenders transgenders aren't men or

Dob Joneswomen they're a mix they're a mix of both sexes oh so thank God they came together

Dob Jonesso you think that women were fighting for their rights against transgenders no I'm it's not who are they fighting for their rights

Dob Jonesagainst it's not against anyone they just wanted their own rights and you being a man maybe you

Dob Jonescan't understand that concept that a woman wants to make her own decision about giving birth about her own decision I agree so women want to make

Andrew Wilsontheir own decision about giving birth and there's another group who aren't women who say no you can't what would you classify that group as if you had to

Andrew Wilsongive them a name sick oh my God that wouldn't you wouldn't you wouldn't classify them as being

Andrew Wilsonmen not all men are biased against women having rights so there's a lot of men great so then women never fought for their rights

Andrew Wilsonagainst men got it who did they fight for their rights against was it other women were women out there with ARs and they were like [ __ ] [ __ ] you can't have no rights is that what happened

Dob Joneslike tell me me how this women who don't want women to have their own rights so yeah do you think that

Andrew Wilsonfeminism was an attack against women for oppressing women or do you think it was them pushing back against men because men were at the top of the hierarchy

Dob Joneslike which one do you think is true it's not an attack it's women speaking up for themselves and saying we'd like to have our rights to vote we'd like to have our

Andrew Wilsonrights to make decisions yeah so women being all women are speaking up because they want their rights who are they

Brian Atlasspeaking up to the world the world my goodness here let me get everybody's answer on this uh are you a feminist brilliant by the way

Andrew Wilsonlike that was probably the best debate that I've had all evening the answer is obvious you know it's obvious but instead of just conceding so that we can have the conversation it's far easier

Andrew Wilsonfor you to project into my mind using your dolphin technology in order to convince me that feminism was really all

Andrew Wilsonabout women oppressing women brilliant stuff I am impressed one day I hope that I can project like you can my thoughts into other

Dob Jonespeople I I hope your wife just SMS you with love she she's watching right now yeah my wife does smother me with love how about your husband does he smother you with love she gets she's been cibit

Dob Jonesfor 9 years bro don't that's a that's a sensitive subject bro I mean that's well that sucks that sucks my wife a l and it's a choice called feminism it's wait

Brian Atlaswhat because you're feminist like my wife did you'd have somebody cute to cuddle with night wait this is this is the most based wait did you if you guys cut on to this what she just said is the

Brian Atlasmost base thing ever so she I said that she's been celibate for 9 years and she's like yeah it's called feminism that's how it works bro these feminists be

Brian Atlascelibate it's a choice to be with the right man of course of course sorry sorry I don't know why why do I have the female condom now he threw it down on your chair when you so going around the

Brian Atlastable you got to move it on I'm sorry I got to move it on a little bit you know feminine you know okay what are you a feminist yes oh I I don't know if we caught you did I said

Libby Spainyeah and then yes I'm going to say I'm a feminist and a masculinist I'm both and I don't feel like those are mutually exclusive I I feel like if a

Libby Spainfemale uh is doing the same job she should be rewarded with the same pay and I also believe that women should be able to make

Libby Spaindecisions and I'm also a masculinist I respect men and the role that they have in our society I believe it's a very important role and it's

Libby Spainneeded and a healthy masculinity is a very important thing I agree if you had to Define feminism what would you define

Libby Spainit as like I just did I I'm not about tearing down patriarchy or or any of the

Libby Spainextremes of the of the feminist uh activists and things like that I just believe that women should be treated

Libby Spainfairly and have the choice like for instance let me give you an example as equals um no they're not equal um let me give you an example wait I'm sorry I

Libby Spaindidn't hear your answer let me give let me let me continue U yeah he your answer can you just tell me what yeah I'll Circle back to that she said they're not

Libby Spainequal yeah I said they're not um so my grandmother when she passed away had a lot of paperwork as old people do and

Libby Spaingoing through her paperwork I found a letter from the bank this was in the 1960s she was the sole bread winner my grandfather God it's going to be my Grandma couldn't have a bank account

Libby Spainargument here we go oh I'm sorry was that a hot mic my whatever so whatever is the name of the show so anyway um my grandfather was terminally

Libby Spainill with cancer and so she was supporting him and herself and she she worked at the hospital she was a nurse like I was telling you and so yeah she had to get his signature to agree that

Libby Spainshe could open a checking account to put her own paychecks in and so that she could pay the bills and everything and so so my grandma couldn't have aank and you know whatever so I just feel like

Libby Spainthat that's really unnecessary that type of thing and I'm I'm not you know going to pretend that that's okay how much uh how

Libby Spainmuch debt did your grandma die with how much debt yeah she had no debt yeah that's right you know why she had no debt because she worked her tail off and

Andrew Wilsonshe say no it's because men incurred all the debt okay in your grandma's day men incurred all the debt of the wife because they were the head of the household no this is the truth you may

Andrew Wilsonnot like it but this is what's actually true women could not incur debt their husbands incurred all of their debt this

Andrew Wilsonwas the primary argument against the suffer Jets from the anti-su Jets of which there were many more than there were suffer Jets that's why your grandma died with no debt because her husband

Andrew Wilsonincurred all of it and so while you say well you know it seems unnecessary she didn't have a bank account well that's great maybe she didn't but she also didn't have any debt and right now most

Andrew Wilsonwomen are Laden with debt like I asked you honestly an honest question to you right now how much debt do you have is it significant is it moderate is it zero

Andrew Wilsonyou personally likely have debt and that never would have happened in your grandma's

Brian Atlasera Brian I'm putting this [ __ ] rugby ball in the [ __ ] rear naked choke boys what why are you what oh sounded like he wanted to say something yeah I

Andrew Wilsonthought so no I was just [ __ ] this rugby bat up yeah [ __ ] lost it guys hold on okay um so I was I was just curious if you

Andrew Wilsoncan answer to that do you think that women in debt and mity is better than a system where men incur their husbands incurred all the debt well that was the first question you asked right just now

Libby Spainso it wasn't that I was not answering it but um you know I like I said I I have my views and I explained what those were

Andrew Wilsonso okay hang on hang on is that an answer to my question I I don't have to answer your question she doesn't want so you just are going to refuse to answer any of the questions that I ask you so

Andrew Wilsonwhat you can do is you can go into a long misleading diet tribe again like you did with the gospels and then say well wait a second wait a second see

Andrew Wilsonyeah grandma died with no debt and when I ask you wasn't that a preferable system to what we have right now well I have no comment why would we care about debt out of all the other things I want to bring I'm going to I'm going to bring

Brian Atlasit to something else but all of you who said you're feminist I do have a question do you think women should be drafted me yeah to the the women who

Andrea Vasquezsaid they're feminists into the mic um you are going to always hate my answers so first of all some people might not have all the information

Amandajust let her answer well okay so obviously we need a military just in case we go to war yeah there's a volunteer military yeah yes and then the

Amandadraft just in case we need to send extra troops to war yep

Brian Atlasum I don't know wait but didn't you say that feminism is one of you two who said feminism is about equality right I mean I was I would say yes if

Amandathat was the case if you want to go like 100% follow equality then you'd say yes but like why the hesitation with the answer cuz it's

Amandajust on that so number one men are the ones that chose for men to go to war well that's how okay let's assume that we had a female

Andrew Wilsonpresident even easier let's just grant that you're right let's say that a nation state an evil nation state of evil men like communist for instance

Andrew Wilsondecided to attack a Sovereign Nation because they wanted their resources and this and that and the men of that Nation

Andrew Wilsondefended that Nation against those evil men is that them then deciding to go to war or are they going to war because war was forced upon them no I wasn't saying

Amandain that context I was saying men chose for men to be drafted in the US at um and not choosing women to be drafted as

Andrew Wilsonwell so so I'm saying you guys did you guys put that on yourself so right okay so

Andrew Wilsonwait let me equality I'm sorry is equality the idea that if previous generations laid down an unjust policy that that means that modern Generations

Andrea Vasquezif they're striving for equality would not try to repeal such a policy good answer no I get that the thing is I think that here's a if I can say this real quick and no one interrupts I think

Andrea Vasquezthat some people don't have all the information to things and don't know what to answer because you're going to do like a gotcha like bam like you're going to go here with this and I'm going to say this that's why some people don't want to answer because they don't know

Andrew Wilsonwhere you're coming from so if all the information is laid out so unless you can predict whatever my logical response is going to be you're terrified your position because it could be wrong I'm

Andrea Vasquezsaying that we know what you're like you're literally doing this all night my God yeah so here's so here's what I do I I haven't heard any of your arguments I don't know any of you you could have

Andrew Wilsonbedazzled me razzled me completely defeated every single argument that I had the thing is is that unfortunately you're predictable and the reason that you're predictable is because most women

Andrew Wilsonin modernity are NPCs who just regurgitate what they've heard they don't have original thought to say you would have completely obliterated me if you're terrified to

Andrew Wilsongive a position because you're afraid I'm going to blow it out you should really rethink your positions maybe you should just talk to people like hold on let me okay let me actually move it

Andrew Wilsonforward de like czy why are you so aggressive chill hold on let me it's not aggression for me to point out what iang

Brian Atlaswhat if I actually said which is aggressive but y'all just keep talking about

Brian Atlasthem okay all right so okay let's get the answers from everybody okay feminist uh so do you actually want to answer the question uh the to the draft yeah let me

Andrea Vasquezget everybody's answers before either of us my answer was I don't know okay let's stick with that okay what's your answer it was so should women be drafted under

Brian Atlasthis context what what context there's no context like um and using logic and saying that it's equal and that means women okay here's the context men are

Andrea Vasquezsubject to the draft women aren't should women be subject to the draft so saying that feminism is equality you would say but I'm just saying here's my anecdote

Andrea Vasquezreal quick I think that rich um people's children should be drafted first and foremost because it's Rich it's a rich man's war and that's we send poor people to war so it should be

Andrea Vasquezrich people's children which are like the senators of the [ __ ] house and rep so that's my thank you wait I got I got to I got to get into this incoherency

Brian AtlasBrian we got to let everybody else answer okay go ahead um I don't believe in the draft okay but we do have a draft assuming that the draft will never be

Dob Jonesgotten rid of should women be drafted well kind of what they brought up is men design the draft it's not

Dob Jonesreally my feminism point isn't about equality men designed the draft okay what does that have one what does that have to do with anything at all a lot because the men

Brian Atlasdesign you don't think if women were let's just say we elected to every single country in the world we just elected all women into Power you don't think that there you think there were just be peace you think it would just be

Brian Atlaspeace there would not be War what if I told you if they actually they did a analysis of Queens monarchs throughout throughout history and they found that queens were

Dob Jonesmore likely to wage war than Kings that's hard for me to believe and under under kind can you name a few Queens I don't know off the top of my

Dob Joneshead but there's I could we could pull up the study if you doubt it Nick the queen stud I just think that it's Andrew's position Andrew can name some of the Queens wait I just think some of

Dob Jonesthe queens were in response to defending their country from attacks so wasn't so much they didn't want to go to war they were responding and prot started the

Andrew Wilsonwars and and protecting they attacked Sovereign Nations wait not not they were attacked they attacked wait but hold on when I think about Queen Elizabeth and

Dob Joneseven like the Belgium Queen they were actually trying to protect their their countries and same with Queen Elizabeth I mean there was a few Queen elizabeths who was Queen Elizabeth trying to protect her country

Dob Jonesfrom from the other countries that were trying to yeah what was the other country called which time which time

Dob JonesAndrew the first time the first time well it was from the Germans well no that was the second time the first time was who are

Dob Jonesyou talking about the the most recent monarch no no the one before the one before well yeah I know but like the the one before I think was like no no not her the one

Brian Atlasbefore it was before wait and then there was Scotland wait the Queen of England the one who just recently passed away there was two Queen Elizabeth no I'm

Brian Atlaspretty sure the father didn't the father pass away and then she there was another queen was there was it the Elizabeth and then the then the dad

Dob Jonesand then another Queen Elizabeth but the first so you're saying like back in the 1800s I'm not sure exactly the years but there was a queen who was trying to

Dob Jonesprotect and was like through Scotland and then France and then all these different countries in Prussia were trying to invade her country so she was

Brian Atlasyou're talking about Elizabeth II the one no no yeah I was right her pred her predecessor was George V 6

Brian Atlasso there was not king queen and then the queen that just reigned yeah IED her predecessor George I was making certain

Brian Atlasobservations about Queens trying to protect their Kingdom but in any in any conflict there's the there's the belligerent there's the aggressor and the I guess the I mean well military conflicts are

Brian Atlasnot that black and white but if there were two kings there would be a king who he's being aggressed

Dob Jonesupon if we're kind of I'm saying women and queens like her their job is to protect their country right and so they

Dob Joneswere doing it in defense not creating Wars like a majority of men ruler okay so your so back to the draft should not

Dob Jonesbe drafted because men no I just I don't believe in the draft neither men I I believe both should have the choice whether or not they want to fight okay that's right you know what that's

Andrew Wilsontotally fair I just got to ask a quick followup um if your country is attacked by a Sovereign Nation uh who should defend

Andrew Wilsonit people that want to fight yeah yeah should your country then be able to Institute a draft no I don't believe in the draft I believe that a

Dob Jonesman and a woman should make a choice about whether or not they want to fight and actually women are better at shooting a gun and bows and arrows yes they are no they're not mhm based on

Dob Joneswhat where did you come up with this you just is your Source I just made it up I was trained in shooting guns and I was better than I was trained in shooting guns too better than the better

Brian Atlasthan all the women who were around me wa hang on hang on hang on I got to know no Andrew you did not wellit hold on hold on you better I don't think you heard that say it one more time

Dob Jonesabout better than sorry the men a Navy SEAL trained me how to shoot a gun I thought you said better than Navy SEAL okay no for the first time I

Brian Atlasshot better than him and I shot all the your first time you shot better than your instructor yes well let me ask you question just just a very quick one just

Dob Jonesa very quick cut in what was the type of gun you fired I shot a 45 Magnum I shot a 45 Magnum yeah and then I shot two

Andrew Wilsonother guns what was the two other guns I forget it was when I was in college at UCSB don't Magnum that's the first that's the first time I've ever heard of

Dob Jonesa 45 Magnum yeah yeah Andre was it a handgun or a rifle or an SMG what what was it I don't remember it was just three different guns and the last one

Andrew Wilsonthe last one had was really long or was it short oh stop was it was it like this making a reference to something

Andrew Wilsonelse well no no I'm just I'm just asking B look if you're so skilled a Navy SEAL taught you how to shoot a 45 Magnum and you you blew him out was it a gun that

Dob Joneswas like this2 there was the last gun had quite a kick and so I know it was like that was probably 4 okay let me get everybody's answers on this um should women be

Libby Spaindrafted do I want to be drafted no should they be drafted Ed sure okay yes okay all right yeah I I think that there

Libby Spainshould be equality of opportunity but not equality of outcome so I mean I personally I think that if women are

Libby Spaingoing to want to be uh treated as equals then yes they should be drafted and that's only fair but I also like how

Libby Spainsome other countries do it where it's mandatory for a year or two years for males and females because I feel like

Libby Spainthat goes across all the socioeconomic uh levels and some people are not going to be able to skip out on it and just leave the burden of protection to everybody else's kids and

Libby Spainespecially the lawmakers you know they'll I think they would be less likely to enter into trivial things if they knew their kids were also being

Libby Spainimpacted by that decision you know but to go just to the the question you asked if if women want to be treated as equals then yes they should be drafted it's

Brian Atlasgood I think women should be drafted in fact I think Equity would dictate that for the next thousand years

Brian Atlasonly women fight in wars and only women are drafted that's fair that's fair that's that's Equity that would be Equitable you know for

Brian Atlasfor the thousands of years men were the ones fighting in the war I think it's fair it's Equity is that that's Equity I don't even believe I don't believe in equality I believe in equity okay I

Brian Atlasbelieve in equity get out of here with this equality [ __ ] okay oh snap now oh my God anyways um hold on let me get this CH let me get

TTS donationsthese chats and we can finish back up ad donated $199 how does the panel feel about women in relationships having male friends do

Morgan (off-panel)they think the fellows have ulterior motives starting with Morgan M dog you got this wait what what's the question how does it if you have male if I had a male

Alienfriend yeah like is that disrespectful disrespectful okay so like this is asking like if you're in a relationship and you

Alienhave male friends or is this like you have a relationship with male you know what I mean so the question relationship in relationships having

Alienmale friends um I don't think it's disrespectful I honestly I would freaking break up with someone cuz my best friend is a male so yeah if they tell me I can't be friends with him I'm

Amandanot doing it disrespect okay um I think I mean I have two very uh I have two friends that are

Amandamale that are very close to me and I've known them since before I was in my relationship and I don't and we all hang out in like friend

Amandagroups almost fell down guys don't um we're they're friends with all of us in our friend group and we all hang out together as a group and stuff like that

Dob Jonesokay so I need quick answers if you can same it's not it's fine f oh but the question at the end was do they have alternative motives and I don't I think guy friends at least my guy friends on

Elissa Cheesemanmy guy friends they don't have alternative okay yeah um he can have girlfriends and I can have boyfriends okay I think it's

Libby Spainfine I think it's fine if the if both people have set up boundaries with each other about you know is he going to have female friends is she going to have male friends and what are the boundaries for that then you know then it should be

Brian Atlasfine as long as you stay in the boundaries mhm okay all right uh we have Morgan can you read this one Andrew claim your ARS are not AR

Morgan (off-panel)sorry arguments are nonsecular what are your morals based on regarding women and women then US Senate plus house R all I have to do is give you a preference if

Andrew Wilsonall my if all I give you is a secular argument meaning nothing grounded inside of anything which is religious all I need to do is give you preference and is every bit as valid as any preference you give

Morgan (off-panel)me all right thank you for that Andrew Joe Murphy thank you thank you please define the Western feminism is for everyone it's highly unlikely that these

Morgan (off-panel)women have a specific or a historical reference to what the feminist movement was 5050 was not is hitting a brick wall

Brian Atlasall right thank you Joe Murphy pleased Define what western feminism is for everyone can I was there really a difference between Western feminism and

Andrea Vasquezcan I answer that okay yes because Western feminism is equality in so yeah there's like a

Andrea Vasquezcouple different definitions of feminism um depending on where we're at in the world so like Western feminism is the

Andrea Vasquezidea of like equality within the Sexes and then um another type would be like traditional feminism where like you take on traditional roles like the male would

Andrea Vasqueztake on a male role uh women take on women roles and like that's a traditional feminism and you like keep that what and then there there's another one I

Andrea Vasquezforget um but yeah there's a couple different ones so Western obviously it doesn't Encompass wait let me ask you a question so under under traditional feminism you said would would the men and the women adhere to traditional

Brian Atlasgender roles yes okay so then under traditional feminism it would be frowned upon for a woman to opt out of her traditional

Andrea Vasquezgender roles AKA getting married and having children so yeah it's encourage to like um to embrace uh feminine roles so I

Andrea Vasquezmean so yeah it would be and be submissive to her husband yeah so then what would be the feminist component of it's just like an idea I think that's just the definition I think it's just

Andrea Vasquezlike the idea to keep um keep those roles I think that's just what that that

Brian Atlasis um I've never heard that before but uh okay yeah wouldn't that just not be

Brian Atlasfeminism well it's the definition so I would ask the scholars or something I don't know so what form okay

Andrea Vasquezfeminism about equality where is I mean what's the it's just like ensuring that those cuz it's like the belief that like women bring a certain value men bring a

Andrea Vasquezcertain value so it's just keeping those roles in all right okay that's uh I don't think I'm going to bite on that one but there's also like um there's

Andrea Vasquezintersectional feminism where that's more of what I believe in because it's like the belief that like uh certain women have different disparities in other women like the the different

Andrea Vasquezlevels of that so like minority women have different struggles what's the comparison between Asian women and white women like struggle yeah which one which one has it I guess worse in your from

Brian Atlasyour purview from my purview would be different from someone else's what because my definition of feminism is different yeah but intersectional femin feminism is the analysis of these

Andrea Vasquezdifferences yeah so then that what's your analysis in that definition it would be it's just the belief that like some women have it worse and to like acknowledge that and that

Andrea Vasquezhelps put an eye on that especially in studies and stuff a lot of white women get they're they're studied way more than black women or Asian women but that's just um that's just

Andrew Wilsonintersectionality period right so intersectionality is the Intergroup Dynamics and you're looking at the Intergroup Dynamics to see which ones are more oppressed than other groups or which ones Fair better so that wouldn't

Andrew Wilsoneven be specifically feminism that would just be intersectionality right yeah within the branch of feminism yeah well well it wouldn't even be a branch of Fe

Brian Atlasit would just be intersectionalism right okay yeah yeah okay um here I'm going to move it on a little bit we'll come back to feminism a little bit later

Brian Atlason but uh Alyssa you said you had some wild stories of this exile's dating going crazy on my friends he was abusive

Elissa Cheesemanyeah I I don't yeah um so I don't even know which one to tell like this feels like weird timing for this but uh I'm just trying to get through all my pre-show notes um okay

Elissa Cheesemanmaybe I'll do like the one funny one so uh this was like years ago we were in high school and we were like friends with these two older guys one ended up getting into a relationship with I did

Elissa Cheesemanlater on big mistake not good but we thought these boys were our friends and they were older than us and we were like this is pretty cool we're getting attention from older guys and we're like

Elissa Cheesemansleepover one night okay he's there the next night okay we go on vacation we go down to my cousin's house he leaves since we're not home and then it turns out the police ended up coming to my

Elissa Cheesemanhouse because he was cutting uh my window screens all of them in the backyard and it turns out he was

Elissa Cheesemansleeping in my doll playhouse in the basement the 17-year-old man was storing suits and court documents and uneaten

Elissa Cheesemanfood living in my dollhouse in the basement and so wait for how long wait were you dating this guy no he just well we just thought he was our she was dating his brother well and then I have

Elissa Cheesemana story go into that but I just didn't how long was he did I don't actually know I don't really know I want to say we were down there for like a week so I don't know maybe he just slept in there while we were going oh while you were at

Brian Atlasthe vacation he was yeah but my I mean my parents were still at home though but kind of weird uh you said you noticed a lot of negative views or language towards the women on the show that you don't feel is necessary was there anything in

Elissa Cheesemanspecific um that was just something I brought up like I think a little earlier too it was just well I slightly like touched on it I just feel like the direction that we have gone in

Elissa Cheesemannow seems more like open Friendly talkative like we can discuss and I feel like sometimes in the podcast it can get a little more just kind of we're not talking anymore we're

Elissa Cheesemanjust kind of yelling at each other and nobody's vibing and just we're trying to debate but it's not really happening and I just see like I guess I don't know previous videos that I've

Elissa CheesemanJust Seen give me give me one example I don't know I really don't watch your videos like enough to provide I think a really good example for you I've just seen a lot of the clips just

Elissa Cheesemanto kind of prepare for the show but I've just seen that it there seems to be some negativity towards women in general like you have to provide a example I know I

Elissa Cheesemandon't but if you go back and watch other people but that's really all I I can give um just a just a brief bit of push back so when you're having an argument

Andrew Wilsonwith somebody they're not going to agree with you and sometimes you may have a position which sounds [ __ ] stupid I'm just that's just me being totally honest

Andrew Wilsonsometimes you may have a position which sounds completely [ __ ] stupid and idiotic and if that is so and the other person points this out and you're forced to agree what happens is that's very

Andrew Wilsonuncomfortable for people what this is called as cognitive dissonance it's a thing which happens with many many people when they get into arguments they engage in cognitive distance once they

Andrew Wilsondo that they almost shut down they feel like they're being assaulted insulted destroy you know whatever you want to kind of label it because they have to face their kind of own incoherence and

Andrew Wilsonso I think what happens often is people will make really bad arguments and when they have to face the outcome of what that actually entails they get really

Andrew Wilsonupset and instead of saying wait maybe I'm just wrong or I haven't thought this through or there's something you know there's there's some entailment here which I haven't thought through they

Elissa Cheesemaninstead blame the person who pointed it out I think that I definitely see that for sure um I'm not trying to be like oh you guys are just women haters and bring

Elissa Cheesemanus on all here I just mean that I feel like sometimes when you're asking the questions like individually like not to bring up body count again but like the

Elissa Cheesemanbody count questions like I feel like during those it seems to be like the I don't know like just the conversations between like they don't seem to be friendly anymore it doesn't seem to be

Andrew Wilsonlike for argument sake or anything like that I just mean like I I I understand that actually um what what I think happens cuz I've been on the show like many many many times I have seen and so

Andrew WilsonI've seen this I've seen this kind of go go around time and time and time again so I I have some good Insight here what happens is uh the frustration think

Andrew Wilsonabout it from the other end so so just toose yourself put yourself in my shoes or in Brian's shoes or any any other who are sitting there if they feel like they're being lied to they feel like

Andrew Wilsonwait a second there's no possible way you're telling me the truth right now how can a woman so like for instance I've had a 600lb chick maybe she wasn't that heavy but something close to it say

Andrew Wilsonsay to me I'm a 10 out of 10 I'm on par with Scarlet Johansson there's no possible way she actually believed that and when pushed it was very obvious that she didn't but doubled down in the lie

Andrew Wilsonso if you have people that you're trying to have a good faith discussion with who are literally lying to you and you know they're lying to you you point the LIE out and they still double down on it how can you how can you even engage in good

Elissa Cheesemanfaith at that point well I would say that I guess specifically to that like maybe she's not arguing like at that point doubling like you're saying she's doubling down on the fact that she's as hot as Scarlet Johan Johan said maybe

Elissa Cheesemanshe's not so much doubling down on that but she is like just feeling insecure and so that's like what's going on like she's not trying to lie like what I mean like she's not trying to lie and tell you she looks like Scarlet Johansson like she knows that right right I

Andrew Wilsontotally agree with you that at that point she feels like she's confronting her own cognitive dissonance and it's painful and she doesn't want to deal I get all that but if honesty leaves the

Andrew Wilsondiscussion so earlier I asked this very basic question on body count or not on body count but I'm sorry on looks 1 to 10 on looks and I said if you had a thousand people who raided you what do

Elissa Cheesemanyou think their Collective answer would be now you tell me just me and you do you think that people were actually honest with me I think that I mean yeah people feel good about themselves and I

Elissa Cheesemandon't think that they were giving easy like easy answers of just purely like their looks like they they want to feel good about themselves they're factoring in their personality like and they are all hot so they should all feel like

Elissa Cheesemanthey are all all are tense are they all hot I think they're all hot and they are all tens and if is that true yeah everyone's hot and beautiful in their own ways let me let me ask you this if

Elissa Cheesemanyou're in the truth-telling mood can you tell me who the hottest woman in the in the studio is according to you I don't like to do that because I don't like to compare no like I don't like to compare

Andrew Wilsonwomen's like looks to other women's like I I just feel like that's mean and women so without saying out loud who you think the hottest woman in the room is can you tell me at least to this that in your

Elissa Cheesemanhead you do think that there are some women in the room who are prettier than others but that also would be coming down to like my personal perspective and it's not like and like that would

Elissa Cheesemanbe like I'm not sitting here trying to judge women and be like Oh is she cuter than her I know but I mean that's not what's going in my head like when I'm looking at all these women and hearing them talk about like are they a 10 are

Elissa Cheesemanthey an eight like I'm not being like Oh well should she have really said that I mean look at her compared to her like that never runs through my mind like so

Andrew WilsonI just I don't I don't put women sorry andreww I do I wrap up very quickly with this last question okay

Andrew Wilsonlast question can you tell me though in your brain at least you think there are some women in the room who are prettier than other women in the room I mean like

Elissa Cheesemanyes but that doesn't mean that because one woman is prettier in one aspect that the other can't have just as pretty qualities in like other like well now you understand why we don't feel like

Elissa Cheesemanpeople are being honest with us well it's because people are being honest but they're also not telling their whole yeah to different degrees like do you know what a lie of settings and I'm

Andrew Wilsonsorry to say that again a lie of omission yeah but that's not really what isn't it really what is going on it's a lie of omission right no because we know

Andrew Wilsonthat you know that there's prettier girls in that room uh or at least that you think some girls in the room are prettier than other girls but the reason you refuse to actually say what's

Andrew Wilsonobjectively true is because you don't want to risk insult Fair that's fair still the information purose to people like it's not up for me to tell her like

Elissa Cheesemanhow she should be defined by like me like I'm not I would never like sorry sidetracked can I make an

Andrea Vasquezanecdote yes on that I think it might come from like you're saying in the way of

Andrea Vasquezyou don't want to necessarily answer the question because it's not a value like he's trying to get you to answer this question but it's like you are trying to get to a different point it's not really

Andrew Wilsona value to answer that question like it's like trying to understand you're saying I understand what you're saying you're saying look um there's no value add from our end on

Andrew Wilsonanswering this question it's just either going to make us look bad or make somebody else look bad this type of thing I get that but just so you understand if you're going to have open honest dialogue you're going to have to

Andrew Wilsonrisk insulting you're going to have to risk being insulting if it's really actually going to be honest and that's the point you guys can come right back to this but Dove has a dolphin to go

Brian Atlastake care of I want to get through her pre-show notes quickly here so that she has a dolphin she's got to take care she's got to leave so I I she was about to leave but I said hey stay a few more minutes so can get through her notes Dove you said accidentally you called a

Brian Atlasprivate number of a well-known entrepreneur and then got invited on his trip to Morocco where he was meeting the Moroccan Prince and King for business and then you dated over that long weeklong trip as well as I became his

Brian Atlasnurse made when he got sick going out onto the streets of Casablanca to find and buy his medicine oh my God that was the story yes oh is there anything it was pretty wild I guess it was

Dob Jonestelepathic um okay but not that I even was aware of it all a sudden I called this number and it was the same person that I sat next to the plane with but I didn't have his

Dob Jonesnumber because I used to be super shy and then he says I need you um can you come to Morocco and help me work M so

Dob Jonesand then I nice said yes and I flew from Colorado to because at the time I was living in Aspen working for John Denver um um during a couple Summers okay were

Dob Jonesyou involved in a relationship with this person e yes for a week and he flew you out hm and he flew you out yes and

Dob Jonesanother plane he went in his private plane and then I got picked up by the um chauffeur we even wait how old were you when when

Andrea Vasquezthis how long AG very young very young yeah back okay um when I I guess I was your ages where's all the chicks like trying to fly dudes out I've actually had a few op um I

Andrea Vasquezactually heard of a comedian doing that recently I forget her name you mean Ellen Nikki Glazer could have been Nikki Glazer any no wasn't it Britney said Britney brosi yeah uh from years and

Brian Atlasthis is the question is any top dating topics takes you want to speak on you said from years of animal Communications with wild animals and some domestic might angles are on tips for dating red flags deal breakers and

Brian Atlasgender rales I was a little confused there so are you kind of like you got tips for dating and red flags and deal breakers and gends because of the animal Communications with wild animals well I

Dob Jonesjust think that people relate to animals in a way that people have animal traits yeah like once I was at a film

Dob Jonesfestival and people were saying what animal do I look like and I would just without thinking saying oh you're a dog polar bear and stuff and people just

Dob Jonessaid oh my God he does have traits or a wife would say he actually acts like a dog what about Maddie like what kind of animal is she Maddie yeah right here I don't know

Dob JonesI haven't no just looking at her she's like a gazelle a gazelle like a lizard no a a gazelle is a deer but a really

Dob Joneslike um a d i see a chipm yeah I was gonna say squirrel squirrel yeah I can see that too but sometimes sometimes people

Dob Joneshave two animals so she's she's a squirrel and a gazelle she she's a squel AR aren't aren't people animals out they are they're part of the animal kingdom

Andrew Wilsonbut I just believe aren't you aren't you anthropomorphizing so you're taking traits of uh human beings and mapping them onto animals

Dob JonesI think that like indigenous people they valued the connection with wild animals and animals having attributions Spirits where they

Dob Joneshelp guide guide them in their life and I believe all animals are here on Earth as helpmates to take a Christian story to take a Christian story can I please

Dob Jonesfinish to take a Christian well I just wanted to ask a clarifying question like Noah's Ark why were all the animals on the ark and only a few humans because I felt like God was saying you humans are

Dob Jonesgoing to need a lot of help and I'm going to make sure all the animals are here on Earth to help you so the animals are there to serve humans not so much serve be our helpmates it's different

Andrew Wilsonwell well that's I mean that's kind of weird right um Spirit guides helpmates it seems it seems like you're being very selective biblically about what you think animals are there for are animals

Dob Jonesequals with us according to the Bible or are they lesser than us according to the well if we got into scripture which I don't in this podcast but why did you bring up Noah's Art it's like ask the animals and they will teach you yeah but

Dob Jonesyou just brought up Noah's Art speak to the birds and they will tell you so there's actually scripture about talking with animals what what kind of animal is Morgan Morgan she's a

Dob Joneshorse damn bro you kind of throwing her under the bun how you horses are great horses they are Majestic and they're she's like a

Brian AtlasMustang is she like a minior is she a mini horse or is she like a th bread a Mustang yeah an americane what she and free no not a

Andrew WilsonClyde Dale but she has a Mustang yeah okay what but they have a beautiful SP what color Mustang because she doesn't have to say anything but her presence is like large because are you are you a

Andrew Wilsonvegan by chance of course oh [ __ ] so so you equate animals I'm just I just want to make sure I got this right do you consider animals to have

Dob Jonesthe same moral considerations as human beings almost better yeah they are more compassionate they're Kinder when you ask them a question instead of calling

Dob Jonessomeone an alcoholic they'll say that person is confused yeah do you have a uh any pets I have a Lon head bunny yeah what what kind of animal am I let me let

Brian Atlasme ask you a question um what what is vegan philosophy on having pets she does bro she doesn't have time for a

Dob Jonesvegan doph no to choose to choose to be a vegan is to choose not to eat animal products so no mother and no face wait oh so sorry can I ask you a question

Brian Atlasunder veganism and maybe Andrew you can weigh in on this um I don't know why I'm at well so like you can't animal products right mhm so like can vegan

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