She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #177

Date: 2024-07-10

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDeadbeat (Christine)>

AAmanda (DT177)>

AAndrea Vasquez >

EElissa Cheeseman >

SSerena (DT177)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01Libby Spain(guest)

SPEAKER_02Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_03Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_04Serena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrea Vasquez(guest)

SPEAKER_07Dob Jones(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madzilla(guest)

SPEAKER_11Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_12Elissa Cheeseman(guest)

SPEAKER_14Deadbeat (Christine)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDob Jones introduces herself as "Dolphin Girl" and explains dolphin communication is "telepathic holographic picture talking."

“my name is DOB Jones and also known as dolphin girl and I'm an animal activist I do Dolphin Research in the cognitive Sciences of dolphin communication”

QuoteAlien reveals she is dating a tree near her house.

“there's no real story there's just a tree down the street from my house I think he's beautiful and I'm dating”

QuoteDeadbeat estimates she received approximately $800,000 in gifts/cash from men over 8 years of stripping.

“maybe like 800,000 over time I would say”

QuoteBrian asks Dob Jones if she has had "carnal knowledge of a dolphin."

“this is a dating podcast have you had carnal knowledge of a dolphin”

OtherDeadbeat tells story of Waka Flocka Flame's team dragging her into his section at a strip club; she was defended by his crew and left with ~$2,500.

“this is Waka Flocka and his team... he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and Drug me into the section”

OtherDeadbeat tells traumatic story of a customer masturbating on her feet during a back-room private dance.

“I open my eyes and this guy is straight up on my feet... he was just straight up jerking off on my feet”

QuoteBrian mentions Big Labia Matter (BLM) nonprofit — 10,000 labiaplasties per year in the US.

“check out my nonprofit movement big labia matter BLM for short it's really the pressing issue of our time 10,000 labia plasties a year just tragedy”

QuoteAmanda declines the self-rating question with "peace and love" and claims "we're all tens."

“I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of Consciousness into the sphere... with peace and love”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women who self-rate 8-10/10 are delusional due to constant simping/gas-lighting in their DMs; cites "female narcissism" as a byproduct of male attention asymmetry.

“this is why you end up having a room full of women who are you know... and they go I'm a 10”

ControversyExtended heated debate between Andrew Wilson and Andrea Vasquez / guests about whether male preference for clean-shaven women is correlated with pedophilic tendencies.

“if a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to be shaved down there... is that of the nature of being a PDF file... it is a... yes”

QuoteAlien discloses race-play degradation kink — wants white men to use racial slurs but only if they seem genuinely uncomfortable doing so.

“I like degration so like... I just want them to degrade me in a racial way I know it's like it's more trauma response type of thing”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas opens show, references Santa Barbara Lake Fire (12% contained). Guests introduce themselves: Madzilla (model/artist, LA), Alien (warehouse worker/OnlyFans, AZ), Deadbeat/Christine (stripper/OnlyFans, Riverside), Amanda (sculptor, NJ), Andrea Vasquez (jiu-jitsu coach, NJ), Dob Jones (dolphin researcher), Elissa Cheeseman (fashion grad, PA), Serena (nursing student, SB), Libby Spain (entrepreneur, TX), Andrew Wilson (debate host, remote).

Madzilla / BigMilkGang Bitcoin Donation

During intro Brian references a $100K Bitcoin donation from BigMilkGang for Madzilla.

Dolphin Communication and Telepathy Debate

Dob Jones explains her research on interspecies telepathic communication with dolphins. Andrew Wilson challenges her on scientific evidence, citing Amazing Randi's $1M prize for demonstrating psychic abilities (zero successful claimants). Dob cites a 1997 newspaper article where she called dolphins in front of a reporter. Debate covers faith vs. evidence, military ESP programs, and the nature of consciousness.

Relationship Status and Dating Histories

Brian goes around the table asking relationship status, roster size, and longest relationships. Notable: Deadbeat had 4 men paying her bills simultaneously; estimates ~$800K in gifts over 8 years. Amanda is in a 4-year age-gap relationship started on DMT. Alien is casually talking to someone for 1-2 weeks. Madzilla has a 5-year-old son from a brief hookup.

Strip Club Stories (Deadbeat)

Deadbeat shares two strip club stories: (1) positive celebrity encounter with Waka Flocka Flame — invited into his section, left with ~$2,500; (2) traumatic back-room story where a construction worker masturbated on her feet during a paid private dance. Andrew Wilson challenges the boundary-drawing logic; discussion of strip club etiquette and parasocial relationships between dancers and customers.

Trump vs. Biden: Who Would You Sleep With?

Hypothetical question: Trump or Biden? Panel answers. Deadbeat: Biden (soft old man energy). Elissa: declined (has boyfriend). Several pick Biden. Andrew criticizes everyone for missing the obvious answer (Biden would forget about it in 5 minutes).

Sassy Men Apocalypse

Deadbeat discusses the "sassy men apocalypse" — attractive mid-tier men becoming increasingly sassy and expecting to be chased. Panel discussion on gender dynamics in modern dating.

Self-Rating Round (Wisdom of the Crowd)

Andrew Wilson proposes "wisdom of the crowd" framing — asking guests what 1,000 men would rate them on a 1-10 scale. Amanda refuses to engage ("we're all tens / peace and love"). Most women rate themselves 8-10. Andrew rates himself 4. Dob Jones: 6.5. Libby Spain: 5. Extended meta-debate about female delusion, social media gas-lighting, and the epistemics of self-assessment.

Do Women Get More Attractive With Age?

Brian asks guests whether they will be more physically attractive at 35, 45, 55 vs. now. Most younger guests say yes; Dob Jones (55) says she would have been more attractive at 45 (pre-stress). Andrew argues all-else-equal, women peak young. Libby Spain invokes "law of diminishing returns." Discussion of Botox, societal standards, male vs. female aging.

Age-Gap Relationships and Social Stigma

Discussion of whether society normalizes old men dating young women in film (James Bond examples debated; Andrew asks Dob to name a movie where age-gap is promoted as good). Dob cites Hugh Hefner. Andrew argues men who date younger get called "PDF files" while women who date younger men are called "cougar" — and that the stigma on men is actually greater.

Female Condom Demo

Brian produces a female condom and passes it around. Panel reactions vary — Alien says she used one and had to get Plan B when it shifted. Amanda immediately leaves. General amusement and awkwardness.

Feminist Identity and Female Oppression Debate

Extended segment asking guests if they identify as feminist. Definitions debated (Andrew: "rejection of patriarchy"; others disagree). Discussion of whether women in the US are oppressed. Body hair, shaving preferences and pedophilia correlation debated at length. Bear vs. man in the woods poll conducted.

Race Play / Degradation Kink (Alien)

Alien discloses she is into race-play degradation with white men — but only with men who are visibly uncomfortable saying racial slurs, not ones who are eager. Traces the kink to a childhood racial incident. Andrea shares that her ex-boyfriend later revealed a financial degradation fetish.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Most women choose bear. Brian offers $100K challenge to any woman who will spend an hour in a 10x10 room with a black bear. Alien volunteers. Percentage of men who would attack estimated by women: ranging from 10-20% to 50%.

Transcript

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Andrea Vasquezwomen they don't have as much can answer the question first to question first listen you're trying to drag me

Andrea Vasquezinto place because you want to lead me somewhere and what I'm going to say first is no right because women don't have as much hair as men like

Andrea Vasquezbiologically they don't but the Brian's right there's a biological basis for why like 10 men in the group like do you like hairy armpits on women they're going to say no wait I have a I have a

Andrew Wilsonquestion for you sir Brian said there might be a biological basis you say no I don't think so I think it's pathologized through society and then when I give you tons of the most major massive societies that you're aware of you can't name a single one of them that didn't

Andrea Vasquezappreciate that and then say oh because it's biological that women have less hair that means Brian's right I'm saying within like pictures and history you're not going to see like a a long ass hairy

Andrea Vasquezarmpit like it doesn't it's not it's not visible like that but guess what they have bushes they have bushes that's one thing you will see on a damn sculpture and sorry did Romans make statues of

Andrea Vasquezwomen I don't know I I can't beic I can't go back to my history right now give me a damn computer or something like yeah so Romans made statues of women you have computer and they were

Andrew Wilsonnaked they were naked statues of women you're aware of those right yes okay yeah and you realize that this was thousands of years ago see it they still

Andrew Wilsonapparently did not like obese hairy women they still apparently didn't like that so was like the standard has existed as it's almost some kind of like objective standard for thousands of

Brian Atlasyears I have a question for you so okay is your argument then that men who are attracted to women with light body hair or who shave down there are you making

Andrea Vasquezthe argument that they're pord no I'm saying that in society youth is valued in women among you said something along the

Brian Atlaslines of infant what infantilizing women that's how Society is so in if you have

Brian Atlasuh sparse body hair or you shave down there that's that's something of of an infant to society standards it doesn't have to be a conscious thing it's so it

Andrea Vasquezcan be subconscious within a thing right but to society it's youth that's valued and whatever is younger youth appearing

Madzillais going to be valued so L hair that's going to be less hair Brian uh I don't I don't mean to be rude at anyone's conversation but I do have to get back to my baby in La I don't

Brian Atlaswant to be rude but I I just wondering how much longer is the podcast going to be for or if you at this rate I it's going to for a while yeah I mean we're probably going to wrap it probably

Andrew Wilsonanother can you give us can you give us another hour I definitely can't do another hour can you give us 45 minutes yeah okay that's still a long time what time is it right now is it 9:00 yep yeah

Madzillathat's that's ridiculous I have a 5-year-old I have to get back to it has been here for like I just thought it was going to be a couple hour things so he was like I have to get back to like my kid type situation you

Andrew Wilsonknow not to be rude you were the chosen one you were the fun one on the panel you had all these expectations you've let your whole team down you've let them

Brian Atlasall down look at what you've done mil duties man what the [ __ ] is that mil duties yeah wait you said that you're you didn't you say that you're uh the guy's watching her he was yeah he's he

Madzillawas watching my son it took us two and a half hours to get here and I told him I was going to be back tonight before my son goes to sleep to get him he can't continue this was a borrowed day trust me if you guys co-parenting is not a

Libby Spain[ __ ] easy thing to do he's already going to give me [ __ ] for this but um what the hell is co-parenting co-parenting is when the the mother and father are not married to each other co-

Brian Atlasparents they and they share the duties wait is is this kid going back to your place correct tonight

Elissa Cheesemancorrect okay yeah don't mean me to [ __ ] up I support you got to take care your baby you have to take care of your baby what are you going to do yeah I just

Madzilladidn't think it was going to like be like 4our situation type of thing you know okay well uh is your friend just in the bathroom or something or what I think so I'm not sure

Madzillaokay all right but if there's anything else that you need me to to stay for I'll sa I can say uh body count my God bam I don't know I don't

Madzillaknow if you hadine range decline well wait wait if you had to estimate I know this your guys favorite question huh I heard about the body um if I had to

Madzillaguesstimate I don't know I really don't know yeah more than

Andrew Wilson20 probably more than 40 40 is kind of reaching yeah a 30 30

Andrew Wilsonsomething sure like the men that you've slept with this is the body count yeah I don't think it's even that many I don't even think it's that many like been

Madzillaasking me all night ask how much were all the TS oh I don't know just estimate just guess I don't I don't know you know I've been getting tattoos since I was 13 you think I kept

Andrew Wilsontrack of how much money I spent it's a lot of money but you can estimate is it like 50 is it is it more than 40,000

Madzillaum maybe not I got a lot of discounted tattoos so that's I don't know how did you go about getting these discounts cuz I'm friends with tattoo artists are you friends no with the

Madzillatattoo not those type of friends okay why don't you just tell us how how much longer you guys can St really not that much longer at all cuz I didn't realize it was already 9:00 and it's going to take us 2 and half hours podcast go pretty long I thought

Brian Atlasthey were only a couple hours thing I didn't know it was a 4H Hour podcast and we drove free yeah well I mean we already tried to accommodate you guys I mean you guys were running a little bit late but we tried to accommodate you there but I mean obviously we can't hold

Brian Atlasyou here if you guys got to go you got to go just we would have obviously appreciated as with most Our Guest I'm doing my best for most people promise you is there any Arrangements that you can make so you can stay for the I've

Madzillaalready made the arrangements maybe I should have asked ahead of time how long the podcast was going to be I thought it was literally only going to be 2 hours so I was planning on like that like around I me we typically say how long we

Brian Atlaswe go to and we ask uh well I mean I know you're like a plus one to your friend so that perhaps should have been on her but you know but hey at least we made it right yeah tell you what you uh

Madzillayou'll have to I guess make it up to us you can come back I guess um yeah I'd love to have you back all you guys want to know is my body count you [ __ ] [ __ ] you don't care we already got it we already got it it's old you need

Madzillato come back it's old news you don't need me to come back then you got what you wanted out of me great should I take the red pill or the blue pill though that's what I was just take the take the red pill don't just to go don't okay

Deadbeat (Christine)take them both take them both just don't what happened when body count what's your body count body count I saw a [ __ ] before it was cool to count I don't know well she's a wild

Deadbeat (Christine)beast uh range I guess I don't have a range I I've been in a lot of LA longterm relationship so all right I don't got no

Brian Atlasrange uh well estimate I guess I don't know you want less than 10 more than 10 there's no estimate I'm not answering the question let me see if I can if I had any notes for you guys before

Madzillaleaving wait what happened we have to go yeah I do have to yeah for real for real I don't know why you guys think this is a joke like I but you were the whole panel safe space they're going to be so upset with you they'll be fine without

Brian Atlasme you guys you guys got this get as deep as you want I guess the last thing was for madzilla I did want to ask uh

Brian Atlaswhat what plastic surgery procedures have you had I got my boobs done BBL no no BBL BBL dersy what BBL like where

Madzillathey do lipo and they put it in your butt and or whatever I don't know I you seen underneath these leggings there is not you a BBL I do a 360 yeah I've got

Brian AtlasLio what's 360 360 BBL is lipo through the stomach in the back and then it puts it put in your butt I've never had lipo or none of that I just have you had have you had any procedure for the booty Brazilian Brazilian cuz I do I do a bit

Madzillaof research on people before they come on the show I I went all the way to the bottom of your Instagram I used to be a lot skinnier but you know okay okay I used to be actually like vegetarian I used to be real real skinny like 120 lbs

Madzillathere was a photo trust me I've seen photos of myself where I'm like holy [ __ ] but I mean no the butt wasn't it was still a good but yeah but it's smaller when I bigger got when I shrink my booty shrinks like if I get if I lost like 30 lbs like my ass would not be

Brian Atlasthis big right now for sure yeah okay well uh I think that was my great questions before I leave thank you guys that's all I had for you that's all I had for you there were no pre- I don't want to be rude either leaving the show

Brian Atlasearly I really don't but like I'll have do we'll have Morgan and then you can take one of the seats so uh thank you guys for coming appreciate it thank you thank you guys I want to

Brian Atlascontinue on finished the conversation though so um get up yeah oh you you guys have to do a bow though like if you leave early you have to oh you're out of frame you got

Deadbeat (Christine)it you have to bow early have so much fun you guys nice to meet you you're supposed to make it believable what is this what is

Brian Atlasthis okay by uh all right let me read a couple chats but then we'll get right back into the conversation that we were having yeah Serena never answered about

Brian Atlasyeah we we're I I'll get to her I know um all right thank you guys all right uh oh good now we techn Trooper unemployment is going up the amount of jobs is going down in a lot of states

Brian Atlasmost jobs don't pay a living wage home prices home prices Rose and inflation is not keeping up with wages should women start paying for dates and change their views on dating on the current

Brian Atlasreflection of the economy welcome Morgan to the table do you want to just say hi hi all right Morgan is now joining us welcome welcome uh so should women

Libby Spainstart paying for dates and change their views on dating on the current reflection on the economy you know I've never had a large expectation of a lot of money being laid

Libby Spainout on on dates especially First Dates new dates you know going to going to the beach going to have coffee uh doing things like that go going to the park spending the afternoon at the park I

Libby Spainthink that those are Wonder F ways to get to know somebody and I don't see anything wrong with that when I was younger we nobody had money and we would find fun things to do I don't see any

Alienproblem with that okay anybody thought any I mean I'm I don't classify myself as a woman right but I

Brian Atlasdo play like pay for dates and stuff like that and I do plan for stuff so yeah so the question is should women start paying for dates and change their views on D

Amandaof theonomy no pull the mic closer to you okay what about you um should they start paying for days I

Amandamean yeah I'm kind of neutral about this I don't care okay yeah I would say they already have been though haven't they been for like the since like the what

Andrea Vasquezwar was it War what war the war technically yes like let's be real wait which war which war War the Great Depression 18 are you talking about

Andrea VasquezWorld War the Great Depression just a droke it was just a joke okay so the the men left for war when will my husband return from war

Brian Atlasright and women started paying for had to start working and they had to start what does that have to do with okay CU it's already cuz I said it's already been happening so yeah women were paying

Andrew Wilsonfor dates in the 20s and 30 contributing to the family unit women have I mean kind of they didn't have to do [ __ ] what are you talking about they had their husband's military pay they weren't out

Andrew Wilsonworking home with their husb you're talking about World War II when industrialists recruited women into the workforce in order to make bombs and guns and [ __ ] like that that was not the World War I experience totally different

Andrea Vasquezso it's still an experience then what does that have to do with like peace Time dating or even war I said they already have been contributing cuz you said inflation going up and stuff like that this has happened before inflation

Brian Atlashas gone up money's lost its value we've been doing that like it depends on like women don't even pay for dates today

Brian Atlasthey in talking about you first dates you'll pay First Dates yeah equal I'll I'll go half I'll go half you won't pay for the date though why would I pay fully for the

Andrea Vasquezdate so you mean what men do have you ever been on the first date and the guy paid for the whole thing when he goes like I'm doing this like he's like I'm doing how many First Dates

Andrea Vasquezhave you been on maybe a few maybe that's not really probably like a few like two or three 5 10 20 like First Dates like an actual

Andrea Vasquezdate where you go somewhere sure a few I can't even really think for myself honestly okay have you but I'm saying like if someone's like I'll pay for this like you like let them have the gesture

Brian Atlasbecause that's just the the nice more likely to make that gesture men or women more likely it's going to be men it it has been men I'm not saying that it's the case in all scenarios but

Elissa Cheesemantypically men are uh going to pay for the date they have been yeah yeah I think yeah that's definitely what's prevalent but I feel like now and like the guy wants to talk about the economy

Elissa Cheesemanand stuff I think it's okay for if a woman asks a guy out on a date and like she can pay if they want to split it they can split it I don't think it really has to be about like the man

Elissa Cheesemanneeds to pay like I don't think it that is really that I think we're kind of moving away from many people being like that's their standard idea of at first date I mean I would I don't know if

Brian Atlasthey've done studies on this but let's let's assume even 50% of women still want men to pay yeah probably at least is that a large enough I mean let's

Brian Atlaslet's cons I would suspect most conservative women would want men to pay for first AIDS probably it's a cultural thing because I've gone probably on

Dob Jonesat least 30 to generational me and my ex were broke we both always went half and then I actually supported my fiance for

Dob Jonesa long time why he went on a walkabout so I think that it just depends what culture you're dealing with and what country this is um this is the study

Andrew Wilsonwhich was requested on this is it America that we're talking about yeah yeah it is you can Source it over the New York Times has a link to it uh I'll give you the Highlight researchers found

Andrew Wilsonthat young men this is Gen Z paid for all or most of the dates around 90 to 95% of the time while women paid only about 2% they split maybe around 7% of the

Elissa Cheesemantime I will say my boyfriend definitely does pay for a lot of our food dates like it's mostly him right now how long have you guys been dating you said I mean officially like a year but one year

Elissa Cheesemanbut yeah so how many times have you got guys gone out for food we don't really go out for like official date dates though but like go out if we do go out for like a like a date like when we would like he normally would pay like

Elissa Cheesemanbut he normally comes up to me and says like that's something he wants to do like for me kind of thing so I think it's just okay it happens it doesn't always happen all right my Bo the same way your boyfriend's the same way yeah he he pays for dates I like offer too

Brian Atlasyeah like he ins or we'll split it other times but okay uh we we have pelagic here just leave okay that was probably back when the girls came thank you pic

Morgan (off-panel)appreciate it man thank you thank you and we do have LOL paladins here Morgan can you read this one yeah I like to explore the girls like nerds cope go around the panel and ask what the

Morgan (off-panel)profession of their last or current boyfriend is bonus points if he was a drug dealer we'll start with Morgan okay go ahead uh he works at like a tire shop

Alienokay um the person that I had like a more serious relationship was in a pretty big band band okay I had no [ __ ] clue

Unknown backgroundwhat my last boyfriend did he did not tell me a drug dealer no probably he worked for the government oh he just wouldn't tell me what he did how long did you

Unknown backgrounddate for like a year almost okay wow he just said I take care of the bills don't worry about it and I said whatever cool probably had some

Amandalike lame duck government job but wanted to sound mysterious probably wasn't even interesting okay what about you U my boyfriend is an artist that focuses on

Amandarealistic or realism oil painting okay creative okay uh he was a rapper um an actor oh okay this is

Elissa Cheesemangetting interesting okay what about you uh my boyfriend works with produce but then he makes like sound production for musical artist and like he makes his own

Libby Spainlike MH beats and raps my boyfriend helps manage restaurants in the area and my husband flips houses and we bought a

Libby Spaincouple of ourv parks together and uh he's currently working in Disaster Cleanup work where he's on Maui we're living on Maui right now he's working on

Brian Atlasthe L Wildfire cleanup cool where's all the Nerds where's all these nerds what's very's interesting about this and I think actually a lot of the push back was from this area of the table here you're

Brian Atlasdating an artist dating a or well you uh I guess the X for you was a rapper you said yeah rapper and then actor kind of proves my point a little

Andrea Vasquezbit here I'd like to say that being a rapper has a lot to do with being like a autistic poetic like very good did you

Andrea Vasquezsay artistic artistic like autistic yes very like hyperfocused I Know Have you listened to mumble rap Have you listened to Lil Wayne yeah um he's not

Andrea Vasquezautistic it's not mumble rap wait is your is your boyfriend make the same kind of rap as Lil Wayne I'm this is what I'm saying is that to be some type

Andrea Vasquezof creative artist you have to be in in some type of like hyperfocus in that subject like that's not autism that's not being autistic AU what you're

Andrew Wilsondoing like what do you mean that's not autism like there's there's not a single one of you who named what I would consider a dorky or nerdy profession where's where's my software Engineers

Andrea Vasquezwhere's my computer analysts where's my dat where we going to meet those where's my where's all the NDS an account and he a girlriend where am I going to meet

Brian Atlasthose people at proximity you do for work I do Jiu-Jitsu coach and I'm um restaurant manager wouldn't you be just as likely to meet a

Brian Atlasnerdy guy as to meet a rapper where at a restaurant or doing Jiu-Jitsu a lot of Jiu-Jitsu guys are super nerdy I can't date them can't date

Andrea Vasquezthe Jiu-Jitsu the people that go there but at a restaurant like the people I interact with are not they're not like that I don't interact well how did you meet your rapper boyfriend social

Andrea Vasquezmedia kind like he dm' you or you dm' him he dm' me and I feel like it's it's like kind of like how it is nowadays it's kind of like a lot of relationships

Andrea Vasquezkind of seem to happen online like they seem to form over online like they can happen in person I feel like a lot of the times it's online can you do you remember any of his songs your

Brian Atlasex-boyfriend yeah can you rap one I'm not going to rap it and definitely not okay how about just speak the lyrics Let's see like the degree of cre dud that's that's not

Brian Atlashuh no because I mean look there's there's different degrees of lyricism within the rap genre for example so you have these like Mumble rappers where

Brian Atlasit's totally incoherent they're not even rhyming really it's just like vague noises that they're making that's more like uh that's more like ski mask or like I wouldn't say like I definitely

Andrea Vasquezwould not classify him as like Mumble rap Cloud I mean everyone starts out as that don't they does he have face did he have face tattoos

Andrea Vasquezno okay I wouldn't say like I would say like I understand what you you mean by that like Mumble rap but he was definitely more invested in that like he he was more creative than that I would

Elissa Cheesemanlike to bring up where were we saying that like musicians can't be nerdy or like we're saying they don't qualify as nerdy because like my boyfriend like he he does like rap he like music

Elissa Cheesemanproduction like he is so focused on like making his little noises on his computer like he loves that like he gets into that like a video gamer gets into his games like he's so obsessed like I think

Alienhe's a cute little music nerd boy making his music all day okay I also think that like a lot of like musicians play like

AlienYu-Gi-Oh all that lame [ __ ] right so like I mean you can't really just say where's the Nerds at they're and they're hid so did Jo jocks are playing Legend

Andrew Wilsonof Zelda what do you mean like that that's not a quality anymore of what a nerd is or isn't we're talking about a profession which would be associated with dorks right that would be you know

Andrew Wilsonsomething something in regards to TCH technology uh you know something revolving around computers something revolving around board game design so you know [ __ ] like that I mean it's a

Aliencard game they're going out and playing cards like yeah doing it in a strategy like a strategy

Libby Spaintype of way or whatever like try like I don't my my kid's dad works in it and I have two daughters they're 18 and almost

Serena17 and then he also does laring so you cannot get more nerdy than that the laring cute it's like talking about like physicists and engineers and

Serenamathematicians before I met my boyfriend and I was on dating online I didn't really meet anybody who was majoring in physics or mathematics I like met one

Andrea Vasquezguy but it just didn't work out cuz we didn't have same interests and we just didn't click we didn't click isn't the definition of a nerd also like really

Andrew Wilsoninvested in a specific thing right like it's not necessarily like I love math you know like it's at the expense it's

Andrew Wilsonat the expense of so it's like okay you're you can be I guess a football star who becomes a software engineer but that wouldn't make you a nerd because

Andrew Wilsonthere's no kind of uh deviation meaning the nerd is socially awkward right maybe they don't have great social skills this kind of thing uh they are heavily

Andrew Wilsoninvested generally in in kind of these um these alternative things maybe whatever's Cutting Edge or uh something they can use their brain to go after but it's at the expense of something

Andrew Wilsonelse and what what's interesting about your answers is you're not kind of giving us the insight into the profession where we'd be like oh yeah that makes sense that a nerd would be

Andrew Wilsondoing that a socially awkward kind of uh you know maybe lanky that's what a nerd is all right final word on that oh do you have I like to move this okay I was

Libby Spainjust going to say my my uh daughters have often schooled me on the different between Geeks dorks and nerds and so I mean I think some of what Andrew is

Libby Spaintalking about is what I would call a dork okay then what's a nerd the Nerds are the academics but the dorks are the socially AR they usually socially

Andrew Wilsonawkward academics the dorks and then the Geeks are the gamers yeah sure but but I mean aren't the academics the Nerds socially awkward not necessarily they

Libby Spainput everything well okay well who's the Omega Chad nerd that you can think of I um well I mean I knew them in college I I knew a lot of guys like that that

Brian Atlaswere nerds that were also still Chads yeah hiding in PL sight like said I got to move this on uh so we never even finished going around the table on uh

Brian Atlasthe in better looking in 10 years thing I do you made a comment about uh hair and it being uh it seemed to me that your leaning was that men who are

Brian Atlasattracted to women with uh little or body hair that's some sort of pathology or men who prefer women who for example shave down there that is um maybe

Andrea Vasquezweird is that your is position bring that up I'm not saying I'm saying that societally like that's that's been what it that's obviously what it is like

Brian Atlasright so what's the implication on the individual level in terms of your uh your judgment of men who have this preference I wouldn't say I would give like a a strict like straight up like

Andrea Vasquezthat's my judgment I'm just saying soci in society like infant value you said it was infanti like they want infants is that infantilizing they want infants is

Brian Atlasthat kind of what you're getting at that that they're attracted to children that they're PDF that's the definition of it yeah but is that your is that essentially what your suggestion is that

Brian Atlasmen who are attracted to women with little or no body hair or who shave their hair uh they are it's really just these are terrible men who are PDF no not saying

Andrea Vasquezthat I'm not saying that straight up I'm saying that it could be subconscious cuz it is through Society like it's a system subconsciously what that they're atted it could be a subconscious thing like

Andrew Wilsonjust cuz you don't like hair doesn't mean doesn't necessarily correlate so subconsciously the there this is what he what he's trying to get at I'm I'm

Elissa Cheesemantrying to figure this out too are you saying that the correlate of hairless they're associating with child you mean like I would say kind of

Elissa Cheesemanyeah that you're let's let her say I don't understand the question well you mean like like that you're associating like like women with like who are shaved give

Andrew Wilsonlike a child like like I'm saying Society yeah but like yeah okay so do you think that men are attracted to women who are hairless

Andrew Wilsonbecause they're infantilizing and giving them a childlike Persona I'm saying it's pushed on by Society to like younger women I'm saying that it's a it's

Andrea Vasquezsomething that's been instilled kind of by Society because younger women can have children right I mean that could be part of some of yeah but I

Andrew Wilsonthink let me ask you a question do you do you believe that evolution is a fact is a factor in it it is evolution a

Andrew Wilsonfact yeah for sure then what is the primary Edict of like valuing youth no what is the primary Edict of evolution it's to

Andrea Vasquezreplicate right evolve yeah but I think it's more to hang on no no no it's to replicate you can't evolve if you don't reproduce can you okay there's two things can be

Andrew Wilsontrue wants that's yeah that's true but with absent reproduction there is no there is no Evolution so the primary

Andrew WilsonEdict of evolution is reproduction right okay yeah so if that is true which women which tier of women are going to be able to reproduce the best women in

Andrew Wilsontheir 20s women in their 30s or women in their 40s obviously it's going to be women in their 20s that's so then evolutionarily why wouldn't males be more attractive to the women who are going to reproduce the most but I'm

Andrew Wilsonsaying I don't think it's evolutionarily you still won't answer that I don't mind if you qualify and then tell me where I'm wrong or right or this or that but I would appreciate if you would actually

Andrew Wilsonanswer the question I ask and I'll do you the same service so my question is if women in their 20s produce the most children wouldn't it follow logically

Andrew Wilsonthat men would be attracted to women in their 20s as they're the ones who reproduced the most most yes it would okay but so again I don't understand how

Elissa Cheesemanthis is associated with with with with infantilization or PDF or any I don't understand saying is like we've moved on from just viewing people as like reproduction objects and

Andrew Wilsonso there's like more that goes into it what do you mean we've moved on from it we even talking about like she's bringing like I'm sorry how do you figure that we've moved on from reprodu

Elissa Cheesemanno that's not what I said or meant even if that's how it came across talking about when we're talking about like Evolution and the primary goal is to like keep creating and blah blah blah so

Elissa Cheesemanlike you're talking about that yes like that would make men like more attracted to younger women who are more fertile I get that but she's trying to bring a different like context to that like she's not just saying like this is like

Andrew Wilsonan evolutionary Factor like she trying to bring a different and I'll even steal man it to make sure that you guys know that I understand what she's saying she's saying that socially and societally it is pushed upon men to be

Andrew Wilsonattracted to younger women I understand the argument what I'm saying though is that it's actually the inverse that the from your worldview would be the

Andrew Wilsonevolutionary need to reproduce which informs Society not society which is informing you to be attracted to these younger women that would be my counter

Andrew Wilsonand so so what I'm looking for is an argument to that how would that be wrong Mak sense so that's kind of like then why

Andrew Wilsonwould it be pushed upon in the last like 30 years to be to you think that it's only pushed upon in the last 30 years that older men

Andrew Wilsonlike to [ __ ] young hot women really it is valuing youth right because why why are they valuing youth you're saying it's because of evolution reproduction

Andrew Wilsondesire what else would it be the thing is if men want to have sex with younger women why are they wanting to have sex with them what would be the

Andrea Vasquezmechanism from which informs them to have sex with younger women what would that be I don't think it's to reproduced you're trying to like feed me an answer that I'm not like that's not my answer

Andrea Vasquezso I'm not well then what is your answer the thing it's not some weird subconscious like reproduced type [ __ ] like I don't think it's

Andrew Wilsonsubconscious I think that it's conscious I think that men will tell you I want to [ __ ] young hot women and I think the reason that they want to [ __ ] young hot women is because young hot women have lots of babies and so that's why they're

Andrew Wilsonattracted to them otherwise why would they be attracted studies say that they end up dating the women around their age though oh my God we just we showed you the studies because because of the pool

Andrew Wilsonin which is available to them let me ask when the pool expands and they can choose younger women they do they do do let me ask you a question

Brian Atlasdo you think do you think women are attracted to men who have lots of

Brian Atlasmoney wouldn't it depend it would okay let me ask you a question why is it then you know if women actually wanted to date billionaires well why is it that they end up dating people kind of

Brian Atlasgenerally speaking in their socioeconomic range it's proximity like you're around those people right okay but if they

Elissa Cheesemancould date a billionaire would they I mean wouldn't everyone well but personality would ALS personality would also be like a factor and everything it would be a rather go for someone who had more

Brian Atlasmoney than like right but you're saying okay well why aren't these men because what if like despite men's desires if you're a

Brian Atlas50-year-old man the reality is most 20-year-old women don't want to date 50-year-old men unless he's like really maintained his looks and he's bringing

Alienstatus or something else to the table you disagree oh yeah I would date a 50-year-old man in a

Brian Atlasheartbeat okay that's that's fine that's fine but I love that for you even olders but the reality is just because you want

Brian Atlassomething doesn't mean you can get it but so if they could though if 50-year-old men regardless of their shortcomings could be dating 20-year-old

Andrea Vasquezbaddies they would they prob I don't know what word I just don't agree with that yeah I mean I don't agree with your statement and you're like trying to force me to like agree with something that I don't agree

Brian Atlaswith and you don't have to agree with it I mean you can be delusional about it but the reality is well you can be delusional too this is like if if I were to make your same sort of position here

Brian Atlasif I were to say if you were to sit there and tell me yeah Brian you know um women are attracted to

Brian Atlasbillionaires and I said well that's just that's really not true I just don't

Libby Spainagree that doesn't make make it less true yeah I don't know it's still true right so you girls that don't think that that's like a thing or whatever by the

Libby Spaintime you're my age you will believe what he just said about if the men could pick if they could get the woman that's 20 they would absolutely I'd like to see like the cold

Andrea Vasquezheart facts on that just live long enough and you will that wasn't the facts that was dating not trying to be dis you show me a picture of Tim like from from Spider-Man or something the

Andrea Vasquezshow that did you not see the data that showed men attractive who they saw attractive not dating is that how you your H besides I mean besides physical appearance can you articulate is that how you feel about your husband like he

Libby Spainwould just leave you for someone that's young he wouldn't leave me for someone that's younger no but most men would if they had the preference between an older woman and a younger woman like from

Libby Spainscratch they would pick the younger woman to be more isn't that like let me finish let me finish what I was saying let me finish what I was saying they would pick the younger woman as being more attractive it doesn't mean that that's who they want for a life partner

Brian Atlaslike five days they're gone well it doesn't mean that that's who they want for a life partner and it's really hold on let me I'll just give you

Brian Atlasanecdotal experience from myself I'm 35 do you think that women my age are offering like orders of magnitude more in terms of their behavi behavior and

Andrea Vasquezdemeanor and personality than a 25-year-old what is the difference to you what what is better you my question before asking me a question I'm saying

Brian Atlasyes 35 to me personally 35-year-old women across the border offering more to me in terms of their personality and their behavior and how they conduct

Andrea Vasquezthemselves than a 25-year-old maybe I would say yes to me tell me how okay this is how ready I'm ready so 35 years

Andrea Vasquezold you have gone through and experienced different things that make you understand like who you are and what

Andrea Vasquezyou value and also you you know what you want when you're 25 you don't even necessarily know who you are and you're

Andrea Vasquezprex is fully developed at 25 just barely like it just ful Dev it's fully developed okay ready so yeah I'm

Andrea Vasquezready 25 right yep you haven't been through as much experience as at 35 right we don't okay hold on okay can you follow that though follow what can you follow what I'm saying yes I I absolutely follow what

Brian Atlasyou're saying but I'm sitting here as a man telling you I don't and most men difference for you can you answer that question most men don't give a [ __ ] about your experiences most of which involve trauma and baggage you've got

Andrea Vasquezmore dick you've been through more dick you [ __ ] more guys you have more bodies maybe you pick up a CP can you let me can who can you let me get there for a second can you let me respond I

Brian Atlasjust articulate the actual experience that would make me more attracted to a girl can I respond what's the experience okay here's the thing ready so the fact

Andrea Vasquezthat you're saying that right now is so [ __ ] cringe and weird the fact that you're saying when you're 25 you're more attracted to that person because of why can you give me a reason why CU you want

Andrew Wilsonto have sex with them so that's it yeah no there's more is that no listen yes the thing is is what Brian is saying is that men value the experiences of women

Andrew Wilsonless than they value their physical characteristics now that can grow that can grow over time where you value them for other things other than just their physical Beauty but it seems apparent to

Andrew Wilsonme and it's apparent according to this study that I have pulled up in front of me which says that men oh so when they're investigating the AG spam women reported a narrow age range than men and

Andrew Wilsonwomen tended to prefer slightly older men makes sense we also show that men's age range widens as they get older meaning they still have a preference towards younger women doesn't mean they can get them but they still have a

Andrew Wilsonpreference why now this may come as news to you perhaps your prefrontal CeX is not completely developed yet but the G next to you is going to tell you the same thing that I am it's the same thing

Andrea Vasquezthat she knows men like to [ __ ] young hot women am I wrong no you're right so what what is the reason for that what is the reason then hold on what do you think because because of so the

TTS donationsreasoning from your worldview would be due to reproduction have a lot of friends and a thank you Andrew a lot a lot of guy

TTS donationsfinal wave feminism donated $200 they don't want all the I'm 39 they don't want don't date women it's nature men want a family not

Brian Atlasa partner sex equals children even the stripper admitted dating is harder 30 plus as a woman did she she did but she was hold

Brian Atlason let's let's get into this so okay first off it's not clear like do you think that all women at 25 their personality is just like dog [ __ ] they're terrible human beings and then

Brian Atlasat 35 they're Magic the best Partners ever and they treat you the best no you're going to two extremes right now I never said that actually what actually experienced is as women get older they

Andrea Vasqueztend to get actually more malevolent as they get older and you're not wrong women and are you not like cuz you look pretty malevolent right now sure if a woman doesn't want to date me

Brian Atlasbecause I'm more jaded and I've had more experiences look malevolent he's like really all right let's roll back roll the clips back yeah well let's roll it

Andrew Wilsonback you tell me why how does Brian look malevolent he's having a a straightup conversation with you where he's explaining world view Paradigm differential how would that be

Andrea Vasquezmalevolent he's literally like who would want to date him then like real he's being like so bitter about this bitter about what why would a girl that age want to date you then kid what because

Amandashe wants his resources I'm about to leave cuz this is really dumb what's that you're no your conversation you're having first of all the way that spoke you're

Amandaspeaking about women no I didn't say say the conversation this ISB that yeah this is dumb okay go ahead make your point I mean the way you're talking about women

Amandain their 30s is absolutely disgusting what did I say no tell me specifically what I they have baggage they have H I'm sorry they have baggage they have high bodies like you're making these blanket

AmandaGeneral statements about women that's absolutely disgusting hang on that's a totally fair criticism that's dis totally fair fair criticism so let me just ask you I wish

Andrew Wilsonyouing I'm about to leave because I don't want to be around you hang on hang on hang on hang on before you leave can I just ask I just want to ask you one question and we'll just see if this logically I'm just going to test your logic really quick do you think that

Amandawomen in their 20s generally have less baggage than women in their 30s yes or no generally do I think women in their 20s have less baggage in their 30s I think it depends on a woman because I

Andrew Wilsonfeel in my heart generally generally generally I don't it's possible yes but what I I want to say what do you think though do you think that generally women who are who are in their 30s have more baggage than women in their you say bagg

Brian Atlashold wait wait before you say your thing hold on before you say your thing let me actually just not make this a gendered thing men men doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman as you get older you go through

Brian Atlasmore experiences and some of those are positive experiences some of those are negative experiences so both men and women acre trauma and baggage as they age in recent years I've dealt with very

Brian Atlasdifficult things that I didn't deal with a while back it's just the reality of being older so I'm straight I date women so I I mean I can I'm gendering it because yes I'd rather date somebody

Brian Atlaswho's perhaps in their you know a younger woman who's maybe 25 for example don't get me wrong I find women who are in their 30s attractive in fact I've dated women in their 40s I've dated

Brian Atlaswomen older than me so it's not like I'm exclusively going after like college girls I'm not but what I am saying is is that I if they want to date me and I

Brian Atlaswant to date them I don't see any problem with dating a 25-year-old okay yeah I don't see a problem I'm with a 38-year-old I'm just you're saying I'm using these generalizations I mean we are talking about generalizations here

Brian Atlasobviously there's women in their 30s who are virgins but I mean the reality is a woman not many so you're upset about me it's disgusting that I'm talking about body count like in realistically

Brian Atlasspeaking a woman at 35 is going to have more bodies than however body however many bodies she had at 25 so you're valuing you're valuing body at because

Andrea Vasquezof her body count her baggage so what's wrong with that I would I'm not allowed on should you be able to date no one who are you dating then how is that relevant how is that relevant what if I told you

Andrea VasquezI was dating a 19-year-old that' be kind of weird how why why would with this same logic who would want to date you then let's put that same logic on you nobody has to date me I know but nobody

Brian Atlasused that logic on yourself though like who would want to date you then people who or women who are interested inour people that are younger are better talking smaller for you okay but I'm talking about me I these are

Brian Atlaspeople who I'm choosing to date or not to date so if a woman doesn't want to F and first off actually yes plenty of women don't want to date me because of this podcast that's totally fine I don't

Brian Atlasobject to it at all if you don't like my viewpoints on political things or my viewpoints on gender Dynamics you don't want to date me don't care that's fine okay well I was saying before that go

Amandaahead so in terms I think you get allow to have your personal preference I'm sorry I came off the wrong way when I stated that yeah you said it was you felt disgusted no but I was disgusted about this about the body count thing no

Amandaabout that's what you said though one of the aspects essence of what I was saying I am I was discusted in the way in which

Amandayou were so number one you changed after I understand you were focusing your conversation directed exactly at women and women only and you it sounded like but yes you changed after so you did

Andrew Wilsonchange it that's what I'm saying now you were generalizing it towards all women only and not like men on the other hand where well I do I do want to qualify that I don't share Brian's opinion on

Andrew Wilsonthis um I do think that men as they get older do have less baggage than women generally oh okay and I don't think that it's even Steven and I don't I do think that generally speaking if we're

Andrew Wilsongeneralizing again men tend to have less baggage in their 30s and 40s far less in fact because they become much much more resource rich and as you know money can solve a lot of problems this is a meme

Andrew Wilsonand so I do think they end up with less baggage than women I do I personally think we for me and the I'm going to say this word again that you guys don't like

Amandabut in the sphere of Consciousness that I focus on the people that I'm surrounded by have it's like almost like a different reality and it's honestly

Amandainsane you mean like they don't care if a woman's had gang bangs and slept with like 30 I'm talking that I'm not talking about that I'm I'm talking about

Amandato with when it comes to proceed baggage I'm saying the ability as you grow as a human in age physical age that you grow within your being well so let me ask you a question right so you you mentioned

Brian Atlasbody count or you mentioned you thought my view was disgusting for a couple reasons one that I judge women I would perhaps not date a woman because of her body count and because of her baggage if

Brian AtlasI didn't want to date a woman because she stubbed her toe once and she yelped out what would actually be wrong with that like make an actual argument make an

Brian Atlasactual argument why why perhaps you find that absurd but make an actual argument for why would be wrong and disgusting for me to not want to date a woman who once stubbed her toe I mean if and she

Brian Atlashas trauma and baggage everybody's got their personal preferences it does what you want but so okay so what so is it it why is it why is it dis then I mean to

Brian Atlasthat was an extreme example why is it disgusting for me to disregard a woman in terms of my dating prospects because she has baggage no I understand what you're saying I what I said no what

AmandaI said in terms of discussing is that you were focusing on specifically women and not as a general statement for women women and men but then you I only did no but then you changed it I said okay this

Andrew Wilsonwas you did change well the only reason the only reason he changed it I don't I don't even well maybe I don't actually understand

TTS donationsbut now I actually now I actually don't understand maybe you can help me out he was only $200 my P3 n1s finds itself confused by

TTS donationsthis Paradox younger women should have less baggage but these chicks are so toxic I suddenly find myself extremely attracted to slightly Tex good hey don't forget dolphin oh she's gone she's not

Andrew Wilsondolphin from she's coming back she's coming back got her right here because I I was I was tracking everything you were saying no I it was it was making let me let me let me just ask question whatever donated

TTS donations$200 obviously women don't only look for money but money is important ladies may not like it but you exist in it you can push forward to change but also have to exist and live with what's now all right

Andrew Wilsonthank thank you whatever bro thank you Nickelodeon go ahead Andrew uh I don't actually understand what the problem is if you're having a conversation you're SP you're focusing on just generalizations for women only and you're not bringing

Amandaup men I actually don't even know why that's a problem because it it's Vice it works both ways for men and women that

Andrew Wilsonstatement yeah right but if the if the topic like if about dogs oh we're having if we're having a conversation about dogs and I say okay we're going back and

Andrew Wilsonforth about all the problems that dogs have and this and that would you then say but this also applies to cats and it offends me that we're not bringing up cats as well as dogs that that doesn't make any actual sense to me the thing

Amandawas that we weren't talking about specifically women we were talking about dating in general but that's what your objection was was that you were he was only talking about women but he does that'll bring wait wait but we were talking

Amandaabout dating in general we weren't talking about specifically women he was specifically talking about women but the overall arching topic we were talking about was dating and General it was not focused specifically on women until

Andrew WilsonBrian made it that way well but but that's my whole point right I get that he made it that way I just don't know why that's a problem because I want to focus on both ends because you guys always focus on

Andrew Wilsonwomen all the time and not on the other opposite side of the scale men I think really the issue it's totally fair to say I I would also like to talk about men that's fine but I don't know why you

Elissa Cheesemanwould be offended if the conversation goes to generalizations about women even we just can I just say this though I don't think that it's all just about

Elissa Cheesemanlike I think it's the way he speaks about women in many contexts on the show that we've seen it before so I feel like bad tone you don't like the tone no it's

Elissa Cheesemannot the tone real I mean not the tone is sometimes part of it I just feel like it's just the wayone the things that he brings back the way he counters it's not

Elissa Cheesemana friendly debate it's not a fun debate like it's very like targeted it can get like lowkey kind of nasty like I'm not saying anything bad but I'm just like this is just kind of facts of the show

Brian Atlaslike so there people I could just return people can feel uncomfortable by that well I mean I could just I could just turn I don't know if you guys were talking about Andrew or me I could just reverse this at you you said cringe you

Brian Atlassaid disgusting you also said that men who like who are attracted to women who you pathologized men who are attracted to women with uh little or no body hair

Andrea Vasquezcalling them PDF files Society you're twisting my words again like the third time and it still checks out i' I said Society she says it checks out but if you're like projecting this onto

Brian Atlasyourself then that's on well I I actually had notes on this so um you think men who prefer women who are uh like shaved down there their P PDF files no I don't think that all of them are but I think a lot there is a lot going

Andrew Wilsonon with that correlation of like you know what that's totally fair I just want to hear you say that [ __ ] ual men who prefer their Partners to be shaved are correlated with PDF files go

Andrew Wilsonahead go ahead say it I'm talking about yeah know but go ahead and say because remember we're talking about everybody right so homosexual men that their male partners

Elissa Cheesemanare shaved okay you're going to correlate them with PDF files just like you just did with straight men right well if I'm using that in the context of saying that one of the partners is much

Brian Atlasyounger and the other is much older hold on that's not even the conversation hold on stop stop stop stop stop hold on a 35-year-old man dating a 35-year-old woman could prefer his 35-year-old girlfriend to be shaved so what it has

Brian Atlasnothing to do with age you're Shifting the gold saying that it is always in that or that it's always but it has nothing to do with age has no a 35-year-old man could want his 35-year-old girlfriend shaved you're

Andrea Vasquezyou're Shifting the goalpost it had nothing to do with age it never did we were talking about body itous in your mind just because okay so hold on I have a question then I could

Brian Atlasjust I mean here's your Lo okay do you want to finish your thought okay here's the logic women who aren't attracted this is your argument women who aren't attracted to men with

Brian Atlasbeards are P PDF files if you prefer your man clean shaven as a woman you're a PDF file I never said that you're taking it I know that's not hold on I know that's not what you're saying

Brian Atlasthat's like the the male version of this argument you're not trying to understand what I said women who don't like men with women who don't like men with

Brian Atlasbeards are just PDF files you like men who are clean shaven baby boy baby boys are clean have can't grow facial hair you are PDF files here's the thing can I

Andrea Vasquezsaid it never correlated so it's not it's not causation versus correlation it's completely different okay then what is it it's completely different it why you explain what is it it's Society it's

Andrea Vasqueza society it's a broader thing it doesn't mean you're you're consciously like actively a freaking pedophile I never said that so I just want to make I just want

Andrew Wilsonto make sure though you do not associate the attracted men being attracted to younger women who have all of their body hair shaved with any sort of PDF file

Andrea Vasquezyou don't you don't make that Association at all all I said in a broader sense in society that is the value youth that is the value what's my question I said it's not a direct

Andrew Wilsoncorrelation I get it I understand what's my actual question to you though can you repeat it back to me do you associate the two as the same

Andrew Wilsonthing do you in any way associate men who prefer women with zero body hair to be associated with men who are PDFs or

Andrew Wilsonnot you personally do I personally no I'm saying Society society and then going over to the G in the white top do you no I think it's

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