She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #177

Date: 2024-07-10

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDeadbeat (Christine)>

AAmanda (DT177)>

AAndrea Vasquez >

EElissa Cheeseman >

SSerena (DT177)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01Libby Spain(guest)

SPEAKER_02Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_03Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_04Serena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrea Vasquez(guest)

SPEAKER_07Dob Jones(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madzilla(guest)

SPEAKER_11Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_12Elissa Cheeseman(guest)

SPEAKER_14Deadbeat (Christine)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDob Jones introduces herself as "Dolphin Girl" and explains dolphin communication is "telepathic holographic picture talking."

“my name is DOB Jones and also known as dolphin girl and I'm an animal activist I do Dolphin Research in the cognitive Sciences of dolphin communication”

QuoteAlien reveals she is dating a tree near her house.

“there's no real story there's just a tree down the street from my house I think he's beautiful and I'm dating”

QuoteDeadbeat estimates she received approximately $800,000 in gifts/cash from men over 8 years of stripping.

“maybe like 800,000 over time I would say”

QuoteBrian asks Dob Jones if she has had "carnal knowledge of a dolphin."

“this is a dating podcast have you had carnal knowledge of a dolphin”

OtherDeadbeat tells story of Waka Flocka Flame's team dragging her into his section at a strip club; she was defended by his crew and left with ~$2,500.

“this is Waka Flocka and his team... he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and Drug me into the section”

OtherDeadbeat tells traumatic story of a customer masturbating on her feet during a back-room private dance.

“I open my eyes and this guy is straight up on my feet... he was just straight up jerking off on my feet”

QuoteBrian mentions Big Labia Matter (BLM) nonprofit — 10,000 labiaplasties per year in the US.

“check out my nonprofit movement big labia matter BLM for short it's really the pressing issue of our time 10,000 labia plasties a year just tragedy”

QuoteAmanda declines the self-rating question with "peace and love" and claims "we're all tens."

“I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of Consciousness into the sphere... with peace and love”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women who self-rate 8-10/10 are delusional due to constant simping/gas-lighting in their DMs; cites "female narcissism" as a byproduct of male attention asymmetry.

“this is why you end up having a room full of women who are you know... and they go I'm a 10”

ControversyExtended heated debate between Andrew Wilson and Andrea Vasquez / guests about whether male preference for clean-shaven women is correlated with pedophilic tendencies.

“if a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to be shaved down there... is that of the nature of being a PDF file... it is a... yes”

QuoteAlien discloses race-play degradation kink — wants white men to use racial slurs but only if they seem genuinely uncomfortable doing so.

“I like degration so like... I just want them to degrade me in a racial way I know it's like it's more trauma response type of thing”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas opens show, references Santa Barbara Lake Fire (12% contained). Guests introduce themselves: Madzilla (model/artist, LA), Alien (warehouse worker/OnlyFans, AZ), Deadbeat/Christine (stripper/OnlyFans, Riverside), Amanda (sculptor, NJ), Andrea Vasquez (jiu-jitsu coach, NJ), Dob Jones (dolphin researcher), Elissa Cheeseman (fashion grad, PA), Serena (nursing student, SB), Libby Spain (entrepreneur, TX), Andrew Wilson (debate host, remote).

Madzilla / BigMilkGang Bitcoin Donation

During intro Brian references a $100K Bitcoin donation from BigMilkGang for Madzilla.

Dolphin Communication and Telepathy Debate

Dob Jones explains her research on interspecies telepathic communication with dolphins. Andrew Wilson challenges her on scientific evidence, citing Amazing Randi's $1M prize for demonstrating psychic abilities (zero successful claimants). Dob cites a 1997 newspaper article where she called dolphins in front of a reporter. Debate covers faith vs. evidence, military ESP programs, and the nature of consciousness.

Relationship Status and Dating Histories

Brian goes around the table asking relationship status, roster size, and longest relationships. Notable: Deadbeat had 4 men paying her bills simultaneously; estimates ~$800K in gifts over 8 years. Amanda is in a 4-year age-gap relationship started on DMT. Alien is casually talking to someone for 1-2 weeks. Madzilla has a 5-year-old son from a brief hookup.

Strip Club Stories (Deadbeat)

Deadbeat shares two strip club stories: (1) positive celebrity encounter with Waka Flocka Flame — invited into his section, left with ~$2,500; (2) traumatic back-room story where a construction worker masturbated on her feet during a paid private dance. Andrew Wilson challenges the boundary-drawing logic; discussion of strip club etiquette and parasocial relationships between dancers and customers.

Trump vs. Biden: Who Would You Sleep With?

Hypothetical question: Trump or Biden? Panel answers. Deadbeat: Biden (soft old man energy). Elissa: declined (has boyfriend). Several pick Biden. Andrew criticizes everyone for missing the obvious answer (Biden would forget about it in 5 minutes).

Sassy Men Apocalypse

Deadbeat discusses the "sassy men apocalypse" — attractive mid-tier men becoming increasingly sassy and expecting to be chased. Panel discussion on gender dynamics in modern dating.

Self-Rating Round (Wisdom of the Crowd)

Andrew Wilson proposes "wisdom of the crowd" framing — asking guests what 1,000 men would rate them on a 1-10 scale. Amanda refuses to engage ("we're all tens / peace and love"). Most women rate themselves 8-10. Andrew rates himself 4. Dob Jones: 6.5. Libby Spain: 5. Extended meta-debate about female delusion, social media gas-lighting, and the epistemics of self-assessment.

Do Women Get More Attractive With Age?

Brian asks guests whether they will be more physically attractive at 35, 45, 55 vs. now. Most younger guests say yes; Dob Jones (55) says she would have been more attractive at 45 (pre-stress). Andrew argues all-else-equal, women peak young. Libby Spain invokes "law of diminishing returns." Discussion of Botox, societal standards, male vs. female aging.

Age-Gap Relationships and Social Stigma

Discussion of whether society normalizes old men dating young women in film (James Bond examples debated; Andrew asks Dob to name a movie where age-gap is promoted as good). Dob cites Hugh Hefner. Andrew argues men who date younger get called "PDF files" while women who date younger men are called "cougar" — and that the stigma on men is actually greater.

Female Condom Demo

Brian produces a female condom and passes it around. Panel reactions vary — Alien says she used one and had to get Plan B when it shifted. Amanda immediately leaves. General amusement and awkwardness.

Feminist Identity and Female Oppression Debate

Extended segment asking guests if they identify as feminist. Definitions debated (Andrew: "rejection of patriarchy"; others disagree). Discussion of whether women in the US are oppressed. Body hair, shaving preferences and pedophilia correlation debated at length. Bear vs. man in the woods poll conducted.

Race Play / Degradation Kink (Alien)

Alien discloses she is into race-play degradation with white men — but only with men who are visibly uncomfortable saying racial slurs, not ones who are eager. Traces the kink to a childhood racial incident. Andrea shares that her ex-boyfriend later revealed a financial degradation fetish.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Most women choose bear. Brian offers $100K challenge to any woman who will spend an hour in a 10x10 room with a black bear. Alien volunteers. Percentage of men who would attack estimated by women: ranging from 10-20% to 50%.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasyeah let me give you let me give you the list okay cool thank for that segue all right what I want let's start with looks

Brian Atlasand then we'll do personality okay so looks any race is fine slight preference for white women and Asian women but I'll date a black girl I'll

Brian Atlasdate a Latina slight preference though for white women Asian women uh let's see um prefer short a little shorter but I'll date any height I'll date a girl

Brian Atlaswho's 65 I'll date a girl who's four five don't care for kids though it's probably maybe taller is a little better

Brian Atlaslike for for having kid for having kids for for having kids you know anybody here like having some Warrior some [ __ ] Warrior children but um don't care don't care I'm attracted

Andrea Vasquezto short women tall women a whole thing don't whole that's a thing is that a whole other thing like dating for genetics like is a thing for sure oh that's what El does know you object to that I mean if

Libby Spainsomeone wants to do that that's what they can do but that's kind of crazy I literally heard people talking recently about how they won't date a guy unless he's not had

Libby Spainthe oh I can't say that word shock um uh the the the fou oi fou wait that's it's called they they won't dat a guy unless

Elissa Cheesemanhe's not had the fouchy way around what is that fouchy ouchi the fouchy ouchi okay oh oh oh I've heard that too I've

Brian Atlasnever heard it in that way before that really um fouchy ouchy that's funny but that's weird to want to I mean isn't that why people are attracted to other people I don't well like

Unknown backgroundthe genetics I don't think that's what people think when they like want to date people it's not like oh our kids are going to be really say that all the time I want D1 babies there's some childbearing hips on that g over I feel like if you're getting into like a

Unknown backgroundgenuine relationship you're going to you're going to want to get with him first and then later down you're be oh yeah like our kids going to be cute but it's like you like your attraction trigger isn't oh that guy's really cute

Brian Atlashe no I mean it's not like primary I don't think it's a primary thing but it's like kind of in the back of the head really I never thought at least for

Brian Atlasheight I never like I'm definitely thinking if she's like 4 foot s like our kids are going to be [ __ ] but isn't it usually do it depend I'm

Brian Atlaskidding I'm kidding we can always the case huh sometimes it goes different but no there's something dude if I see a really tall chick I'm like yes tall

Unknown backgroundchildren boom really short people in my family who have had really tall kids all right wait what do you mean what do you mean I'm saying like my aunt and uncle

Brian Atlashad a kid and he's really like way taller than both of them that can happen but like tall parents are more likely to have tall children so yeah okay anyways uh what else um Natural Body supremacist

Brian Atlasso obviously like hygiene grooming important but strong preference for no plastic surgery no fake tits no fake lips no BBL no lipo no labia plasty no

Brian Atlasno tongue split sorry no I'm sorry my I'm sorry I wasn't trying to I'm sorry that was the very first question would you dating uh let's see uh minimal or no

Brian Atlasmakeup prefer no perfume uh yeah uh no peanuts no peanuts no peanuts they have to hate so weird all nuts the peanut thing I'm allergic

Brian Atlaswhat do you mean how's it why is weird I never knew that you were allergic an poison me told me that when you bake when you do your baking you can put some you should

Unknown backgroundhave told me that so I like don't bake with peanuts that is good to know if she's baking I could have brought something choked and died right in that

Brian Atlasseat okay so it's not like my my allergy to peanut it's not insane okay but I don't like it itchy yeah I get my mouth gets either so okay I just don't like

Brian Atlasthe taste yeah uh but plastic surgery don't like it I'll take crazy sorry why is that why is that crazy I just think like people should just exist oh sorry I just think that people should just exist

Alienand like you shouldn't I yes I agree people should just exist without plastic surgery no as I don't see like what's the problem with plastic surgery can you ask like answer me that oh I'll give you

Brian Atlasa 100 million reasons first off let's just talk about the Aesthetics I actually think aesthetically I don't think it looks good so like faked tits I I don't think it looks better than like

Brian Atlasa girl with an A cup or a b cup I don't think it looks better it gives me uncanny valley it just doesn't I don't think it looks good aesthetically but that's me as somebody who'd rather date

Brian Atlasa girl with AC Cups than a girl with fake Double D's okay that's me as a guy who'd prefer a little belly fat over the Lipo belly I don't like the Lipo belly that's me as a guy who'd prefer to date

Aliena girl with small butt no butt over a BBL bbl's look ridiculous it doesn't types of bbls okay hold on there's different types of BBL cuz that girl

Alienthat was sitting next to me she was fine as [ __ ] her BBL looked nice as hell and then there was another BBL yeah her ass looks so nice there's no such thing as a good BBL Yan there's skinny bbl's and

Alienthat's when they don't put that much fat in there but they're like more so like work for it sometimes that doesn't work hip thrust sometimes that doesn't work I

Alienwas out in the gy for a whole year I only have the dumb I family oh tell us the story M she was just saying how it's really dangerous

Unknown backgroundand like a l from I actually had like a family member who did she had a family died from a BBL yeah wow that's crazy it's so dangerous that's why strong

Brian Atlasagainst it now uh lip fillers lip fillers give me a girl with a small upper lip over that like AR slurred I don't know the lip it doesn't

Libby Spainlook right no any girls here have lip no I don't anybody so I wasn't meaning to point and you know one of the things to keep in mind since you guys are

Libby Spainyounger is the more fillers that you get in your face all all the the plastic surgeons and stuff are saying that that'll Aid you faster um on your

Libby Spainlongevity of your of your natural beauty it'll Aid you faster the more fillers you get the earlier in your life and also the same with the botox all these girls getting Botox in their 20s it

Elissa Cheesemanactually actually messes with your face and it's not good for your longevity of your beauty that's definitely true that there's some like negatives and everything but um I mean again you do really have to look into like your who's

Elissa Cheesemanperforming their work on your face like it's very important that they're certified they know what they're doing you asked if or you could just not get plastic surgery yeah but if people like

Brian Atlasit then they like it like you asked if I had lip fill I don't have any now the on this let me give you the on this we need

Brian Atlasto we need to we we got to elevate our frequency right we got to elevate we talking my language right

Brian Atlasnow our frequency right I think what we got to do instead of saying if there's something wrong with you and you want to fix it go I think we need to improve

Brian Atlaspeople's mental fortitude and Constitution we need to develop and procure cure the constitution of women so they can look in the face of the

Brian Atlasplastic surgeon and say [ __ ] you [ __ ] I ain't getting this lip filler [ __ ] you amend and ra huh amend and ratify it yes

Brian Atlaslisten we need to we need to develop and curate the constitution of women so they reject this beauty standard these

Libby Spainunrealistic beauty standards we ought to we ought to move away from this tragedy well that women are being taught you

Libby Spainjust say natural lips matter and you can use your same group there and put it with the no lip injections and then boom there you if my girlfriend if my girlfriend came to me and she was like

AlienBrian I want to get some fake titties I'd be like no okay and then she still goes and do it she's her own person I would be like I am less attracted to you

Aliennow okay that's her problems actually I am attracted to you now okay and me personally right I want to get my nipples removed theu so like that's don't you have the pierced yeah I

Aliendo but eventually I want to get them removed huh four pierc just because I want to look like a Barbie doll like underneath like I want to get rid of my belly button I want to get breast implants and I also want to

Brian Atlasget R of check the [ __ ] check the [ __ ] okay my check check this [ __ ] I to remove if my girlfriend comes to me and she's like Brian I've actually had girl a girl I was dating come to me and she's like I don't like my boobs her boobs are

Unknown backgroundfine she had like nice boobs I don't know I don't know what her something I don't know whatever did she not like it because it was too big or too small she had like a C cup I'm like what are you [ __ ] doing perfect yeah I'm like what

Brian Atlasyou [ __ ] wish but she's like I want them bigger I'm like no okay so anyways if she came to me she says I want to get a boob job I would say I would do

Brian Atlaseverything in my power to Gass her the [ __ ] up up on her existing titties well that part is nice though that's great I got to build I got to build my partner up and I got to get her back on the path

Alienand be like listen well you should build her up and everything but also it's like more every person that say that they don't like their titties is insecure I don't like my titties but I'm not walking around being like oh I hate this [ __ ] blah blah

Unknown backgroundblah I'm like just one day I'm just going to get breast implants that's it if a girl wants to do it she's just going to do it sucks but she she's just like so messed up in her head that once she hears once

Amandashe hears what I have to say she's going to change your mind oh yeah there I think there's like a difference between like body modification to the like in a Crea I'm also getting like breast

Amandaimplants exactly in that Pursuit rather than saying like an insecure kind of way cuz it seems like you're just doing out of it out of you just want I just feel like a lot of women are being taught

Alienthat they need to not like it because of people like Brian who are walking around don't make that face cuz there's a lot of people that go around saying [ __ ] like I like natural bodies

Elissa Cheesemanand and the next thing you know everyone that they follow on Instagram the people that they to yeah exactly I follow anybody on instam no but she's not talking about just you but like first it's like oh like women like they need

Elissa Cheesemanto be picture perfect they need to be gorgeous and now people are like doing that and they're like oh wow guys stop that's too much like nobody's ever happy if the woman herself is is unhappy with her body and wants to do something she's

Unknown backgroundgood just make sure if you do anything do it only for you look like just like the botox like say like lips Botox whatever like I think everyone that gets that stuff

Unknown backgroundlooks the same they all look the same unless they to they get too much they don't look the same the same features like they end up yeah like Kylie Jenner like a lot of people you can see a lot

Alienof people online that look like I have a question did be look like Kylie Jenner earlier then cuz she definitely had filler I think that her filler if she

Unknown backgrounddid look super cute like I just a lot of people that do end up starting to get facial like fillers or whatever are going to go to like the extent of it it and they're all going to look the same I

Elissa Cheesemandon't agree with that because I've gotten fillers for like previous years I've had fillers I don't have any fillers in my lips right now but I have it's like I don't go for that like I go

Elissa Cheesemanfor more of like a natural like my preference what I see a little bit of like oh I'd like a little more like here or there something like that obviously that's not like everybody but like when I'm injecting myself like I'm doing it

Elissa Cheesemanbecause I like how it makes me feel afterwards and like I'm not like I don't think it has to stem into like a lot of people always go like oh it's an addictive thing like you get one injection and you just can't stop like

Alienno it's not they I don't that just narrative makes it seem so weird like I think aot a suggestive like narrative you know what I mean it's like when someone suggests to you like a certain thing and then you're just like yeah I

Aliencan play into that basically you know what I mean almost kind of like a placebo it's like when people talk about weed it's going to make you lazy and blah blah blah but for me the exact opposite I had nose surgery and I am so

Elissa Cheesemanhappy I hated my nose I hated my whole life I've always had an issue with it I debated on it I got lip fillers I was like that's not it finally I just jumped in got the surgery it looks like a

Elissa Cheesemanregular nose like it's just and it works better than it did before cuz I had like kind of a messed up septum so got fixed but I don't regret it at all I'm happy about the choice and it hasn't made me want to do like wild things but if

Elissa Cheesemanthere's something I want to correct about myself and like it's something that I personally want to work on like I have no problem doing that and I support anyone who wants to or does not want to

Libby Spaindefinitely make sure you go to somebody that is qualified licensed certified not in Tiana have to try to bring in new patients you

Libby Spaindon't use for you want to make sure it's quality don't use a group on for Cancer

Libby SpainTreatments eyes getting surgery lasic or plastic surgery no no group the big nose yeah I'm against I'm against plastic

Brian Atlassurgery across the board you don't have to don't like it don't worry have if they want don't like it you got to do you got to do listen there is an assault

Brian Atlasthere's an attack on women right now there is we know I would agree with that as men as men if we're going to be protectors we can't just protect you just from physical threats we have to

Brian Atlasprotect you of threats of mind that's one of our jobs as protectors and one of the mental threats one of the mental

Libby Spainassaults on women is plastic surgery I agree and it's because all these guys are looking at looking at the people with the plastic surgery and wishing

Libby Spainthat they woman look like that so it puts a bunch of pressure on women so they can't be a hypocrite wish I feel like a lot of women idolize those women

Libby Spainwell let me tell you I got I got my breasts um augmented when I was uh early 30s and it was in in I'm not going to talk about it was in my first marriage

Libby Spainall right and it was nothing that I thought I really needed and um so then then I was stuck with that for 20 years

Libby Spainwell I met met my husband and um he said you don't need that and it's been so long my daughters also said you know you really should think about your health

Libby Spainand blah blah blah so I had them removed a couple years ago and couldn't be happier I felt like my normal self again I am you know got a cute little figure again and I think it's cute though

Libby Spainyou're saying you did this for yourself cuz originally you were pressured into doing it for him and now you're were like no this is what makes me happy right that's what I'm saying but like you know I mean we were together 15

Libby Spainyears you know and that he wanted you to get fake titties um he just he he didn't come out and tell me to get them but

Libby Spainthat's all he you tell that's all he was fixated on you know and so he didn't have to he didn't have to say it right

Libby Spainnow um okay I'm not gonna I'm not going to get into all that but um anyway point being point being super happy I'm with a

Libby Spainman who likes the natural you know female form and just couldn't be happier now and healthy and good

Libby Spainand all that I agree with him about I feel like it's so much pressure for Perfection and for abnormal

Brian Atlasexpectations on women nowadays that's definitely true yeah good times uh what was the last thing oh I think I was we just okay we did the plastic surgery oh what I'm like looking for in a girl I

Brian Atlasguess uh I guess I'll wrap up we'll wrap up on that uh I don't know if this counts as physical but women with nice voices I guess and there's different

Brian Atlaskinds of nice voices like soft Pleasant voices um that's good um what do you want us to say about the the voices I think he's just talking

Brian Atlasabout I forgot we talking about oh okay I was like I don't know I never um oh they have to bow bowing is important super important personality uh moderate

Brian Atlaspreference for introverted women I'll date an extroverted girl but prefer introverted uh quiet calm soft

Brian Atlasspoken uh let's see what else modesty is good pre uh pretty strong preference for doesn't drink doesn't party doesn't do

Brian Atlasdrugs doesn't go to bars or clubs um that's pretty important and uh brings me peace that's good and uh what

Brian Atlaselse it's pretty good that's pretty good can I ask about the Bowing thing real quick yeah sure where did that come from do you think look I'm just trying to bring a girl to Hawaii wait what the bow

Brian Atlasthing what where did it like Is that real bro you laughing that come you don't want to go to Hawaii what's what's up yeah was he trying to bring you to Hawai

Unknown backgroundshould go like you don't like Hawaii to Hawaii from to Hawaii you fund [Laughter]

Andrea Vasquezit uh wait what was your question the bow is the bow thing real sure okay that's my answer why you know you object to the bow

Brian AtlasI feel like are you committed to that show me bow why don't you do Bow right now let's see it how about are you be a submissive a real bow yes real just like Jitsu bow

Libby Spainare we going to get back into the submissive conversation please God no please no it's too late at night for that wait should we push wait hold on let's see wait what's that Nick

Unknown backgroundno wait what uh I'm trying to think what is the other big thing n is that you were going through like your rapid fire the what you were going through

Brian AtlasRapid okay five minutes and we're going to I blame it on Morgan honestly for like this show going so late I definitely think it's Morgan's fault thanks she's very talkative it's a lot

Aliendefinitely her fault yeah uh uh who's the primary victim of war men or women a war we already do this men war no we did the bar everybody's a casual

Amandamen everybody men or women you have to pick yeah if it's a pick it's men but yeah yeah men uh probably men like just like

Elissa Cheesemanoverall I guess men no it's absolutely men through history who's physically stronger men or women uh starting with you men for sure I know that you

Elissa Cheesemanhave to use technique yeah most men are definitely physically stronger I'm not strong men obvious that was such a random order I don't

Brian Atlasknow um can you be uh can you be sexist towards men oh yes or no yes or no wait oh are you going to

Alienwant me to elaborate on that or do you just want me to pick a side do you want me to explain it uh I'll say no I'll just say no [ __ ] guys what

Alienthe damn bro I'm kidding is it's just a I would get banned if I said that [ __ ] about women say it well I think that

Brian Atlasproved your point no I actually don't think that I like women yeah and I like

Alienguys too but they're still shitty oh okay are men trash yeah for sure are men

Elissa Cheesemantrash are no what are men trash no a lot of men are trash but not all men not all men are most men trash are most are most men trash hash there's

Brian Atlasprobably a large amount of men are trash probably very large amount see what see what I'm talking about what's up what about you not all men but most men I do agree with that a lot of men a lot of so

Libby SpainI don't what do you think what do you guys think of men I don't think men are trash I mean here's the thing and I feel really strongly about this the whole toxic masculinity oh it's toxic masculinity toxic masculinity well who's

Libby Spaingoing to who's going to go fight on the front line who's going to lift the big bales of hay and all that stuff that I can't do who's going to carry the people out of the burning building you know

Libby Spainwhat I mean that's toxic masculinity it's just masculinity but there's toxic females and there's toxic males it's just a toxic person it's everybody has

Alientheir own responsibility for their behavior and for men to be more toxic fake news it's not it's really not they're th aggressive serious mostly

Alieneverything fake news Okay F I disagree fake news no way thank you I disagree it's in the statistics statistics of of what though I have

Alienknowns GS like who's in there mainly men uh whenever we look at like pedophilia like oh my it's mainly men like it's just what about all the teachers having

Libby Spainsex with all the boys at the that's really bad too and that every week get somebody in the news for that I mean I know because I was a high school teacher

Libby SpainI was a high school teacher was no here we go all them check speak what yeah okay so I was an English teacher at first and I was in my 30s blond white

Libby SpainEnglish teacher that's the the ones that do it every time it seems like it was White Chicks I don't know why but they do that anyway my first school the head

Libby Spainof the English Department you can Google it Brandon McDaniel Sam Houston High School in in Arlington Texas he's in prison for having all these girls and he

Libby Spainwould pick women he would pick girls that didn't have a dad at home and whose mom spoke Spanish so he could hide it better and they all looked like his wife and she just gave birth to their third

Libby Spainchild the same week he got arrested it was horrific I changed schools I like I can't be here anymore that's fair you knew him yeah he was my

Libby Spaindepartment head did you ever suspect it a little bit like he was giving weird signs no he just no he he was a very charismatic guy I mean you just never would have

Libby Spainimagined um that it was so rampant with with that but at any rate it seems like it's all women nowadays I think it's like whatever the media is showing kind of like I don't

Libby Spainknow if it's necessarily statistically true I don't know all I know is I see a new article every week of some female teacher I I want to mention something that I

Brian Atlasthink a lot of the viewers appreciate from you the the H had that's like a white the way she said it or oh my

Libby Spainstudents always said iate white TN where so funny I I want to start doing

Libby Spainit though I want to start I want do that too yeah what's that what do you want what what

Brian Atlasokay when what are you guys talking about where okay it's an accident what yeah okay it's like like when you say

Libby Spainwater like w Wait I can't say that no I like it it's cool it's cool last thing mention that wait uh CH there's a chat and then last thing and

Morgan (off-panel)then we're going to wrap I promise I'm sorry Morgan I'm sorry Pell uh can you read this Morgan to the redhead Jersey girl

Morgan (off-panel)intersectional has nothing to do with feminism hypothetically 60-year-old black gay woman gray hair brown eyes short broke definition of westernized

Andrea Vasquezfeminism please um so okay fair that's definitely not a bran 30 seconds go ahead but yeah we're going way back but um

Andrea Vasquez[Music] Western yeah there's like radical feminism there's the traditional the Western is just like what we know here in the west like um taking down the

Andrea Vasquezpatriarchy oh my but radical is like radical is like we're going to take it down like we're going to bring the Torches out um radical is more like um like the men have really messed things up so we

Andrea Vasquezneed to take over kind of that's the radal yeah so it's like the Western is more like the patriarchy has like a lot to do with um like our issues here so like we need to has it always been that

Brian Atlasgreen chat sorry I don't know exactly I'm I'm done yeah wait really quick on the patriarchy that's actually the last thing I wanted to touch on start pulling up comments on uh so do

Brian Atlasyou believe in the patriarchy yes Fe feminist yeah we remember into the mic yes yes patriarchy

Brian Atlasyes like that it's real is there patriarchy yeah patriarchy yes yes okay uh really what is the patriarchy wait you believe in the patriarchy I believe there is a

Libby Spainpatriarchy yeah oh but you like it um you know I think like I well what I just said a second ago I believe in equality of opportunity I don't believe in

Libby Spainequality of outcome being forced so I I mean I think this is the system for humans for Millennia and whatever and

Libby Spainthere's and whatever but there's reasons for it well here let me get into my thing then uh how do you really quickly how do you Define patriarchy just a

Andrea Vasquezsystem that's predominantly run by men or dominantly so into that yes um it's like a it's a system uh constructed created and run by

Andrea Vasquezmen um that ensures and goes by their values right

Andrea Vasquezso that's like like what's the whole that's what's in the system right so if there was more like of

Brian Atlascourse less that there'd be less value of it's beautiful you know yeah okay uh 2 a.m. bro how do you Define patriarchy that's kind of what Man In Charge ooh

Serenaokay well how do you Define patriarchy I think system of power system of power kind of like a like a group of people and these people are what

Brian AtlasI mean I guess secret underground okay so under patriarchy are women oppressed it can be did you say you were feminist I mean I'm kind of just asking

Alienthe feminist this question whenever you guys were breaking down a definition and that's when I was like yeah I guess I would like call myself a feminist but I side with liby okay basically yeah all

Brian Atlasright so under patriarchy are women oppressed they can be they are they

Amandaum it depends on the situation because like it can be predominantly run by men the entire structure of the society but that doesn't mean the laws or what's

Andrea Vasquezbeing inflicted on women is oppressing them mhm okay you understand yeah are women oppressed under patriarchy under patriarchy definitionally yes because

Libby Spainthat's what it is like it's designed for that yes to certain degrees okay okay I would have to agree okay I'm going to have to say it depends on what country

Libby Spainshe wants to talk okay my turn oh you are I like her opinion I like her contribution well it it depends on the country because I mean you're not

Libby Spainputting a burka on me that's oppression right in Saudi Arabia women only got their driver's license ability a couple

Libby Spainof years ago so I don't think that where in America in America then I would say comparatively absolutely not women are

Brian Atlasnot oppressed so for those of you who said women are oppressed us are you oppressed no then I would say

Andrea Vasquezno uh probably in some ways but I honestly can't think of right now it's really late so if we're like I don't know how we're defining op press but this is how I'm going to Define it like

Andrea Vasquezwith certain op opportunities compared to others like compared to men there's definitely an imbalance there men have more

Andrea Vasquezopportunities yeah like connections opportunities to certain institutions like institutions like think about it like doctors

Andrea Vasquezpredom it's like pushed upon men to be in certain areas there's certain a lot of areas that women are pushed out of like I I think it women predominate in

Brian Atlasmedicine maybe in like the nursing field I'm pretty sure even in some of the other uh medical type Fields but okay so but you

Andrea Vasquezsaid systems pay for sure is still it's still on earth have got into this way long okay you guys will have to come back but we will we'll do like or yeah

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Brian Atlasleave yes um okay wait so and what about you what was the question again sorry oh are you oppressed into the mic into the

Amandamic exactly I got thinking about it for a moment uh I don't think so no not no okay all right so I mean really quick I I won't be able to we won't be able to

Brian Atlasdebate everything but I mean you said like opportunities okay so and you mentioned systems so the the university system the college system in this country who's more likely to go go to college and

Andrea Vasquezgraduate from college men or women I know it's men I mean I know it's women yeah it's like 60 60 to 40 when you think about certain statistics like rape

Andrea Vasquezstatistics right r word sorry ARS how's that relevant well because it's that's that's under the system of like our word

Andrea Vasquezculture that's all in that system oh my God that's a that's a whole another conversation no it goes into it if you don't want to get into it we don't have to get into it we can cut it out but

Brian Atlasit's all part of my argument so it's like way deeper I would absolutely I would absolutely uh engage with you on that but just because it's

Brian Atlasso late we uh we do have to wrap the show uh but I'll just finish by saying men are more oppressed than women Checkmate feminists oh my God you're crazy

Elissa Cheeseman[Laughter] you're why men are way more men are men are way more oppressed than women I don't really I don't know I'm kind of Wilding on that one just say yes

Brian AtlasI agree with you Brian the patriarchy wins again the patriarchy never wins Serena what do you think I will not you totally agree right she totally agrees Serena totally agrees she turned

Brian Atlasher head away from you I don't know men more oppressed than women throughout all human history boom own what not just modern day but

Brian Atlasthroughout human history men more pressed than women I would like to just say this one thing that yeah tell me how you feel we

Andrea Vasquezall a sa contri this is a we all contribute to the system in which system the system in which like we're we're all

Andrea Vasquezoppressed we're we all contribute in a way right like Wom okay I can just not respond if that's going to be what that is I swear that was Nick sorry um thank you for

Andrea Vasquezapologizing ni that was really Rudd like men are also oppressed in that way because they're they're they're affected by that too though like they're affected by the patriarchy team mainly in in feminism wa

Brian Atlasare you guys down to come back on but the argument though in feminism how long you guys in California for we're leaving tomorrow oh you're leaving tomorrow okay all right we'll have you guys back on sometime um I will just say look the

Brian Atlasfinal thing men are more pressed than women on one Soul metric forced military conscription wor worse than any female grievance forced military conscription

Brian AtlasI'll give you that one but I'm going to have to come back with like some more of a batttle I don't think you can name one female specific grievance that is worse than forced military conscription I'm

Brian Atlasnot sure right now but you can't you can't you literally wait and see literally just take the L this is take the L but that is but who did that but

Andrea Vasquezwho did that oh my God but but the men though yeah but who did that literally like that's my question I already told you that queens were more likely the wage Wars and Kings I understand that

Andrea VasquezI'm not like a Camala Harris Biden type Centrist that's what you're saying right now you're literally going like Centrist type I'm not that's not where I stand

Elissa Cheesemanbut um yeah yeah uh men are more pressed than women it's a weird way to end the podcast I know it's great right you're trying to end it

Brian Atlasso it up I will not sign off for that need to change we we'll have to we're going to have to to what bring it up next time we're going to have to debate it next time we'll have you guys back on yeah we're

Brian Atlasgoing have to we'll have we'll have you guys back out it was really great wait actually final question for you what year did World War II end World War II

Andrea Vasquez19 38 no 42 that's 43 all right well that was my guess three guesses going around the table

Brian Atlasstarted what is everybody's body count starting with alien I don't know I don't

Aliencare it's like let's go 15 20 somewhere between that 15 or 15 15 to 20 15 to 20 Matt Maddie doesn't if you know you know

Elissa Cheesemanshe's already said it like a billion times on the podcast what about you I'm not going to say that what about you seven what about you I'm going say like three to four cuz I'm not 100% sure what

Elissa CheesemanI don't I don't remember like half a body not 100 well actually and there's one there's one that I'm not quite sure how to count so okay that's fair that's valid I think seven or eight

Brian Atlasokay all right single digits single digits okay guys we're going to wrap up the show uh Nick we're gonna get a twitch uh host raid going this show oh

Brian Atlasmy god oh no it hit nine hours God damn it wow longest show ever wait are you serious longest show longest show ever longest show my

Brian Atlasgoodness M yeah 9 hours one that was over no we we've it's been like wow yeah anyways we came we conquered funny I said anyways uh Nick we got who we going

Brian Atlasto raid Nick who we raiding who we raiding oh po uh wait hold on let me just check who we have hold on what the [ __ ] oh my God one sec boys what's your

Elissa Cheesemanbody count oh yeah I'm a virgin true answer virgin the answers come out I've never I've never even seen what their body counts even know what

Brian AtlasAlbia is like I imagine you're scared of women terrified terrified is too uh okay Nick we're going to do frost damus Frost dois

Brian Atlasyeah it's actually one never mind hold on uh get all right guys uh big thank you to the panel shout out to um shout

Brian Atlasout shout out to wait what what guys how much um protein do you think it's going to be in my in my oats wait

Brian Atlaswhat oh yeah okay guys uh what was I say yeah yeah let me just um GG well played to the panel it was a very it was a very good show fun show

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