She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #177

Date: 2024-07-10

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDeadbeat (Christine)>

AAmanda (DT177)>

AAndrea Vasquez >

EElissa Cheeseman >

SSerena (DT177)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01Libby Spain(guest)

SPEAKER_02Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_03Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_04Serena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrea Vasquez(guest)

SPEAKER_07Dob Jones(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madzilla(guest)

SPEAKER_11Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_12Elissa Cheeseman(guest)

SPEAKER_14Deadbeat (Christine)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDob Jones introduces herself as "Dolphin Girl" and explains dolphin communication is "telepathic holographic picture talking."

“my name is DOB Jones and also known as dolphin girl and I'm an animal activist I do Dolphin Research in the cognitive Sciences of dolphin communication”

QuoteAlien reveals she is dating a tree near her house.

“there's no real story there's just a tree down the street from my house I think he's beautiful and I'm dating”

QuoteDeadbeat estimates she received approximately $800,000 in gifts/cash from men over 8 years of stripping.

“maybe like 800,000 over time I would say”

QuoteBrian asks Dob Jones if she has had "carnal knowledge of a dolphin."

“this is a dating podcast have you had carnal knowledge of a dolphin”

OtherDeadbeat tells story of Waka Flocka Flame's team dragging her into his section at a strip club; she was defended by his crew and left with ~$2,500.

“this is Waka Flocka and his team... he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and Drug me into the section”

OtherDeadbeat tells traumatic story of a customer masturbating on her feet during a back-room private dance.

“I open my eyes and this guy is straight up on my feet... he was just straight up jerking off on my feet”

QuoteBrian mentions Big Labia Matter (BLM) nonprofit — 10,000 labiaplasties per year in the US.

“check out my nonprofit movement big labia matter BLM for short it's really the pressing issue of our time 10,000 labia plasties a year just tragedy”

QuoteAmanda declines the self-rating question with "peace and love" and claims "we're all tens."

“I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of Consciousness into the sphere... with peace and love”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women who self-rate 8-10/10 are delusional due to constant simping/gas-lighting in their DMs; cites "female narcissism" as a byproduct of male attention asymmetry.

“this is why you end up having a room full of women who are you know... and they go I'm a 10”

ControversyExtended heated debate between Andrew Wilson and Andrea Vasquez / guests about whether male preference for clean-shaven women is correlated with pedophilic tendencies.

“if a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to be shaved down there... is that of the nature of being a PDF file... it is a... yes”

QuoteAlien discloses race-play degradation kink — wants white men to use racial slurs but only if they seem genuinely uncomfortable doing so.

“I like degration so like... I just want them to degrade me in a racial way I know it's like it's more trauma response type of thing”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas opens show, references Santa Barbara Lake Fire (12% contained). Guests introduce themselves: Madzilla (model/artist, LA), Alien (warehouse worker/OnlyFans, AZ), Deadbeat/Christine (stripper/OnlyFans, Riverside), Amanda (sculptor, NJ), Andrea Vasquez (jiu-jitsu coach, NJ), Dob Jones (dolphin researcher), Elissa Cheeseman (fashion grad, PA), Serena (nursing student, SB), Libby Spain (entrepreneur, TX), Andrew Wilson (debate host, remote).

Madzilla / BigMilkGang Bitcoin Donation

During intro Brian references a $100K Bitcoin donation from BigMilkGang for Madzilla.

Dolphin Communication and Telepathy Debate

Dob Jones explains her research on interspecies telepathic communication with dolphins. Andrew Wilson challenges her on scientific evidence, citing Amazing Randi's $1M prize for demonstrating psychic abilities (zero successful claimants). Dob cites a 1997 newspaper article where she called dolphins in front of a reporter. Debate covers faith vs. evidence, military ESP programs, and the nature of consciousness.

Relationship Status and Dating Histories

Brian goes around the table asking relationship status, roster size, and longest relationships. Notable: Deadbeat had 4 men paying her bills simultaneously; estimates ~$800K in gifts over 8 years. Amanda is in a 4-year age-gap relationship started on DMT. Alien is casually talking to someone for 1-2 weeks. Madzilla has a 5-year-old son from a brief hookup.

Strip Club Stories (Deadbeat)

Deadbeat shares two strip club stories: (1) positive celebrity encounter with Waka Flocka Flame — invited into his section, left with ~$2,500; (2) traumatic back-room story where a construction worker masturbated on her feet during a paid private dance. Andrew Wilson challenges the boundary-drawing logic; discussion of strip club etiquette and parasocial relationships between dancers and customers.

Trump vs. Biden: Who Would You Sleep With?

Hypothetical question: Trump or Biden? Panel answers. Deadbeat: Biden (soft old man energy). Elissa: declined (has boyfriend). Several pick Biden. Andrew criticizes everyone for missing the obvious answer (Biden would forget about it in 5 minutes).

Sassy Men Apocalypse

Deadbeat discusses the "sassy men apocalypse" — attractive mid-tier men becoming increasingly sassy and expecting to be chased. Panel discussion on gender dynamics in modern dating.

Self-Rating Round (Wisdom of the Crowd)

Andrew Wilson proposes "wisdom of the crowd" framing — asking guests what 1,000 men would rate them on a 1-10 scale. Amanda refuses to engage ("we're all tens / peace and love"). Most women rate themselves 8-10. Andrew rates himself 4. Dob Jones: 6.5. Libby Spain: 5. Extended meta-debate about female delusion, social media gas-lighting, and the epistemics of self-assessment.

Do Women Get More Attractive With Age?

Brian asks guests whether they will be more physically attractive at 35, 45, 55 vs. now. Most younger guests say yes; Dob Jones (55) says she would have been more attractive at 45 (pre-stress). Andrew argues all-else-equal, women peak young. Libby Spain invokes "law of diminishing returns." Discussion of Botox, societal standards, male vs. female aging.

Age-Gap Relationships and Social Stigma

Discussion of whether society normalizes old men dating young women in film (James Bond examples debated; Andrew asks Dob to name a movie where age-gap is promoted as good). Dob cites Hugh Hefner. Andrew argues men who date younger get called "PDF files" while women who date younger men are called "cougar" — and that the stigma on men is actually greater.

Female Condom Demo

Brian produces a female condom and passes it around. Panel reactions vary — Alien says she used one and had to get Plan B when it shifted. Amanda immediately leaves. General amusement and awkwardness.

Feminist Identity and Female Oppression Debate

Extended segment asking guests if they identify as feminist. Definitions debated (Andrew: "rejection of patriarchy"; others disagree). Discussion of whether women in the US are oppressed. Body hair, shaving preferences and pedophilia correlation debated at length. Bear vs. man in the woods poll conducted.

Race Play / Degradation Kink (Alien)

Alien discloses she is into race-play degradation with white men — but only with men who are visibly uncomfortable saying racial slurs, not ones who are eager. Traces the kink to a childhood racial incident. Andrea shares that her ex-boyfriend later revealed a financial degradation fetish.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Most women choose bear. Brian offers $100K challenge to any woman who will spend an hour in a 10x10 room with a black bear. Alien volunteers. Percentage of men who would attack estimated by women: ranging from 10-20% to 50%.

Transcript

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Amandapart I think it's different but I'm going to talk about the first part right before you said sexual partner part okay so in like in regards to that I would

Amandasay like you said the accomplishment comes with baggage right yeah but I I understand what you're saying there 100% but when you are older you're able to

AmandaI'm going to throw a term out here you're probably not going to like it alchemize that turn that Darkness into light I don't mind you using the term but I'm not sure in the context that you're using it I know what it

Amandajust really quickly Define alchemize for me so and I'm using in the spiritual s uh what do it what does it mean turning one thing into another like turning iron into gold like something like that so

Andrew Wilsonturning your darkness which is what out me was the ability to turn non-precious Metals into precious metals anyway yeah go ahead exactly so turning

Amandayour perceived baggage into a lighter part of yourself so the older you get doesn't mean you have baggage yeah you might have had traumatic experience but that doesn't mean you have trauma wait

Andrew Wilsonnow let me give you a very quick counter you do realize when you use the term alchemize and I love the fact that you use that term has anybody ever successfully been able to turn hang on

Andrew Wilsonhas anybody ever successfully been able to turn nonprecious medals into gold I love this because no because with the question I said no because I had this conversation with my why should I

Andrew Wilsonbelieve that you can alchemize trauma and your baggage into something good when the very definition of the word that you're using is the transmutation of nonprecious metals into gold which

Amandahas never been done man you really did yourself in on that one Andrew no Andrew that is not I'm using it in the spiritual context I am not using in the

Andrew Wilsonphysical and you know that I mean but the spiritual it would be the same right in the spir even in the spiritual context nobody's ever spiritually been able to take

Andrew Wilsonany in this case let's say a precious emotion let's just say a precious emotion and turn that emotion into something else without some baggage from

Andrew Wilsonit how does that even work no I I got what you're saying in the beginning but at the end you lost me I'm sorry well okay so if you have an emotion if you have an emotion and you turn it into a

Andrew Wilsondifferent emotion how do that come with no baggage even the process of doing that even the process of doing that is going to be adversity right no because that's like healing a part of yourself

Amandait would be healing that part of yourself the baggage that is there right so something needed to be healed not necessarily but if it's well then how are you healing a part of yourself so here what do you mean cuz then you could

Amandathe reason why it's overlapping like this is because I'm trying to explain multiple like spiritual knowings into one where you could go into like the deepest one and be like oh yeah everything is perfect there is no need

Amandato be healed you're perfect look I love the esoteric I mean the es is a lot of fun for me to disc and healing yourself in this context turn turning your baggage into light yes can I say

Brian Atlassomething to that too hold on I got to get this back on the [ __ ] rails all right I got to get this back on the rails this had to do with the looks and she was saying that by going through experiences in trauma that this would

Brian Atlassomehow manifest itself and you carrying yourself bagage the one who bagage I didn't say brought no one of you brought up well as you get older you you get

Brian Atlasmore experiences and then you carry yourself differently a go your physical outward appearance is somehow improved through your experiences which would also include your trauma and baggage as

Brian Atlaswell as your good experiences where you're going to [ __ ] Cancun or whatever the [ __ ] people do for your good experiences I don't know articulate to me how even your good experiences will make you look better it's the way

Deadbeat (Christine)you car yourself that's the only way you can say it with good experiences like going to Cancun and being able to afford the trip on your own and making that money at a different age and you're like oh my God it's so accomplishing I can

Brian Atlasjust make a counter I can just make a counterargument and say just as many people have just as many people as you go through life you tend to start acre certain traumas and heartbreaks and baggage do people let me ask you guys a

Brian Atlasquestion do p people typically get more or less jaded as they get older more jaded so would they then carry more tension in their body per

Brian Atlashere do people's posture as theye to get or worse worse okay so then I can just reverse this whole argument of over time your outward physical appearance is going to get

Brian Atlasworse because people people tend to hold themselves in worse ways either through being jaded they carry more tension in their body uh that's going to manifest itself in stress like you'll you'll see that in people's faces if they've had a lot of stress in their life they're

Brian Atlasgoing to get wrinkles hair is going to go Gray they're going to lose their hair ET ET and then people's posture tends to get poorer and poorer and poorer as they get older I like what you said about eating healthy taking care of yourself

Madzillalike if you're doing all those type of things working out stretching eating the best whatever the [ __ ] that's definitely going to make a difference like you know what I'm saying am I I think that the

Deadbeat (Christine)original conversation of from 24 to 34 you gain a lot of life experience that makes you feel confident on who you are and that's how you walk through life you walk more conf but like okay just in terms of what men find attractive in

Deadbeat (Christine)general Beyond just physical appearance do you think men care about your experien get scared of women that have that confidence I think that after 30 it's a lot harder to date because you are confident and if you're single with

Deadbeat (Christine)no kids saying women are more off-putting the older they get offputting well you said men get scared yeah they do they get more intimidated they're like I can't afford this girl you know at 30 with no kids and living

Deadbeat (Christine)and taking with kids but I'm talking about about 30 with no kids there's a difference but you said that men are attracted to women's experience it's tough out here I didn't say that women that guys were attracted to experience

Andrea Vasquezof women it's because like women aren't as you're like naive you're Morey to manipulate men don't care about your confidence at all I would say

Deadbeat (Christine)something that's something new to me you like you think men like bri what do men care about Brian

Deadbeat (Christine)attracted to me your mic to the this way [ __ ] animals I feel like I attract guys that have a lot of confidence and just like what does that have to do with what they're attracted to well I'm saying they're going to be attracted to

Deadbeat (Christine)somebody else that has a lot of confidence I don't see how that follows wait I feel like guys like confidence they don't want a woman that's going to bring them down they don't want a Debbie Downer that's well hold on you can have

Amandaa positive disposition and you could be like have perhaps a more shy or shy disposition that's true and still bag aad what about so say if you were with a

Amandawoman right and she yeah let's let's get all the way in the details and she was like so like there was her confidence

Amandalevel was a zero and she was just constantly like uh jealous insecure talking we're talking about okay so let me ask you a question if a guy

Brian Atlasapproached you and he was just super confident no trembling in his voice ion contact on point just you could hear it you hear it in his voice his manner of

Brian Atlasspeech he there was no um hesitation just very confident whereas if a girl were to step to me in her eye con like and she you know she approached me and she was like a little bashful and a

Brian Atlaslittle bit shy and her eye contact was but she wasn't like being creepy but she was like maybe a little nervous that wouldn't be at least from the guy's perspective a negative Mark against her

Brian Atlasif she's got a little Shake in her voice whereas if there's a shake in a dude's voice and he steps to you that's an instant rejection for most women I think that's kind of cute

Andrea Vasquezsometimes not for me I don't like the weird like psychotic like I'm [ __ ] perfect I'm amazing at conversations hello like if a girl's a little bashful like a little you I think I think what

Amandayou're describing is true on both ends I it's not where some men like when they're bad like you said I think that's true I think on the other end some men like when women are more attractive I think on the other end women like when

Amandamen are more attractive and then sometimes some I'm sorry I'm getting my words messed up already like I'm just I've only slept two hours within like 24

MadzillaI feel like this go to the original original question as soon as it gets to right here at this part of the table I I lost the whole original question I'm glad okay so uh I'm going to move it on

Brian Atlasbut uh I I will bring up the hamy thing in a bit but going around the table uh I think we're going with you you are 26 will you be more physically attractive

Andrea Vasquezat 36 as compared to 26 okay I'm going to say 36 yes but like higher no I'm going to give you that and then also I'm going to make a comment that I think men have like Benjamin Button disease like

Andrea Vasquezthey get more attractive to society as they get older and women get less so it's like reverse that's my comment they get more attracted to society yeah men

Andrew Wilsonget more attractive in societ look at it in society I see so you're saying that men age better than women no I'm saying to society I'm not saying men age better

Andrew Wilsonwell I mean who is society right I'm saying based on soci society standards yeah who is society we are the grand census in general yeah so men and women so you're saying that based on society

Andrew Wilsonmen get more attractive with age than you're saying that men get more attractive with age right I'm saying thec most people go both ways it goes both ways men and women saying based on society well I mean does it though that

Andrew Wilsonwasn't her claim her claim is she says okay based on society so now we have Society who is society societies all men and women collectively right they're looking through this societal prism so

Andrew Wilsonwe can reduce this to societal relativism relative to the society men are more attractive as they age than women right so wouldn't that wouldn't that dictate that most women find older

Andrew Wilsonor men to get more attractive as they age wouldn't that logically follow yeah yeah Society yeah well so but Society Society is a collective group of people right okay yeah yeah so I mean if that's true

Dob Jonesthen most people would be thinking this right yeah yeah I think that happens through advertisement through films there's like the media if we

Dob Jonesdidn't have films most older men in their 60s 50s 60s 7s wouldn't think that they need to be with a woman 35 years younger than them but it's accepted yeah

Dob Joneswe can go on this whole tangent but if you look let's go on this whole tangent this is I just enjoy going women that date younger men are given stigmas and

Dob Jonesnames but it's widely accepted through films and the way Society act that an older man can date someone 20 30 years

Andrew Wilsonyounger than okay well let us find out let us hang on I think that that's a fair point let us test if it's true I have uh just in my memory a grouping of

Andrew Wilsonmovies where an older woman is sleeping with a younger man and that's considered to be based and awesome and uh in every way um just fine one that comes to mind

Andrew Wilsonfor instance is American Pie with stiffler's Mom right this was uh this was a movie that was widely distributed so my question is let's go one for one can you name the movie where that's

Dob Jonessocially acceptable the other way for a man probably all the movies that were made in the 50s just name one okay so

Dob Joneslet's see the one with Carrie Grant and then he was with in the 1950s no wait wait let me just go like no in modernity in modernity what are the modern

Andrew Wilsonmovies like you see Carrie Grant with someone who's 20 30 years younger than 70y old geriatric dudes are not going to count as far as societal norms now so

Dob Joneslike in modernity actually if you watch any films especially with female directors they talk about this subject a lot that it's okay it's taboo for an older woman

Andrew Wilsonto date a younger man and name the movie in modernity she where it's the older where is the older man with the younger woman and that is considered and that is

Andrew Wilsonpushed and promoted as being a good thing name one Twilight no no no not you helping her out of and by the way the reason Twilight

Andrew Wilsondoesn't count is because because Edward physically stays the same age forever that count so back away from that and by the

Andrew Wilsonway that no shock to me that the tree lover loves it but back over to this where I was before I was so rudely interrupted can uh can you name a movie

Andrew Wilsonof modernity where it's promoted for men to have an age gap or relationship and that's promoted as a good thing isn't pretty woman like all about not you not you not you the woman I'm talking just

Dob Joneskindly answer the question just answer the question kindly I'm just thinking well there was a movie that was recent that an an Hathaway was in when she's

Dob Jonesolder than the man oh I know that movie and then she got completely beat up about it verbally Society her her child was you know

Andrew Wilsonteased yeah what's it called um I forgot what that movie was you would think that if these things were so you would think that if societally it was so prevalent that age Gap relationships were looked

Andrew Wilsonat as being okay for men to go after younger women that you would have a slew of examples that you can give me and I haven't actually heard you give me one example of where that's promoted as

Dob Jonesbeing a good thing in a movie all you have to do is look at what Hugh Hefner created and then I met him years ago and it was that does

Dob Jonesnot surprise me but it was normal for an older man to be with someone 20 30 years and it's in lots of before we move over to the diet tribe before we move over to

Andrew Wilsonthe diet tribe which I'm happy to listen to and engage with can you name a movie in modernity even the last 20 years where the age Gap relationship is promoted as

Andrew Wilsonbeing a good thing where the man is older than the woman just one all of James Bond's movies all of James Bond's movies okay name the one where he's in

Dob Jonesthe agap relationship wait wait the the Daniel Craig movies of the last three he was in the woman was in their 20s and he's in his 60s going into the 70s so

Dob Jonesthat's a 40-year gap wait what movie is this Daniel Craig was in three James Bond films and he's

Andrew Wilsonlate 60s and the his co- like star is in their 20s yeah but you realize that you can act when you're acting you can still act as though

Andrew Wilsonyou're the same age as the person who's far younger than you these are not James Bond movies are not presented as uh James Bond is way older than the women that he ends up with those are never

Dob Jonespresented that way they're presented as being uh in some way equal in age or sophistication always I'm just saying Society thing that it's okay for an

Brian Atlasolder man to be with a 20 30 40 year Gap woman it actually okay it actually is you keep but where's the evidence for that here's the thing right is that you

Brian Atlassay that but in actuality it's actually there's a huge actual negative pressure among sorry I'm not using the right wording there uh for example you'll have

Brian Atlaswords like cougar for women it's not clear to me that there's actually any negative stigma towards women who date younger men whereas older men who date

Brian Atlasyounger women actually get severely pathologized by mass amounts of the population they conflate men who date women in their you know who are if a

Brian Atlasman's 40 who's dating a 21-year-old they're going to call him a p word so there's actually way more stigma towards men who date younger than the reverse

Andrew Wilsonwhile it's more common for men to date younger there's much greater stigma oh yeah I'll give you an example of this and maybe you just don't know how how this how this goes at least inside the

Andrew Wilsononline sphere but men who date younger women are often called PDF files they're often called names like this uh because they're dating a woman who is a a legal

Andrew Wilsonadult she's sometimes 22 23 years old and he's 40 45 and they still call him that that seems like it's a massive social stigma the opposite direction than what you're talking about so I

Dob Jonesguess it's both ways but because I'm older no but because I'm older than most of the women here it's like I see that

Dob Jonesthere is a stigma if I'm attracted to someone who's younger than me then I get called those names so even though I'm not I'm not attracted to yeah but what

Andrew Wilsonare the names what are the names cougar coug I mean what what are the derogatory names that you're called yeah you get called cougar men got get called Pew wordss yeah they get called the p word

Libby Spainyou get called AAR like can't say it you know I don't P oh okay okay thank you so like Bill Bill bellich is that right Bill

Libby Spainbellich he's got that uh 23y old girlfriend he's 72 that's all over the news lately oh didn't they just have a baby um that's also that one guy who's like 80 just had

Brian Atlasa baby with like back on track here back on track here so okay that was that was one time but that wasn't with Daniel so okay back

Brian Atlason track here so I mean you're 55 well I mean you didn't specify exact age uh do you think you'll be better looking at 65 than you are now well I just went

Dob Jonesthrough both of my favorite people dying in the past how is that relevant I'm sorry how is that relevant because because everyone's has been bringing up the fact that when you go through life

Dob Jonesexperiences stress it affects you so I feel like 10 years from now I look better because I won't be going through such severe stress so I just went

Dob Jonesthrough severe stress of moving eight times losing all my stuff in the Maui fires moving here having to reinvent my life all those stresses are affects the

Dob Jonesway someone looks but we talked about that whole topic for like an hour I'm say I get what you're saying so you think you're going to look better in

Dob Jones10 years yeah because I won't have all this extreme what if you had the same exact stress

Dob Jonesthen I don't know probably okay what about in 20 years so 75 compared to 55 um I don't know God all my friends are like doing Botox and all that weird

Brian Atlasstuff okay hold on let me let me give a little guidance here so okay let's remove the stress from your life hold on hold on let's remove the stress entirely from your life 55 we're going to remove in fact we're going to remove all stress

Brian Atlasfrom your life for the next 100 years I don't know if you'll make it that far but most people won't live to 100 okay um so you're going to have no

Brian Atlasstress in 10 years time and let's assume you have no stress right now too okay in 10 years time will you be better looking so 65 to 55 yes okay will you be better

Brian Atlaslooking at 75 versus now at 55 probably cuz I won't care is that you won't care it's a pretty damn good

Dob Jonesanswer okay so it doesn't I mean my grandmother lived nearly 105 and she was like the best person in the world because she was so okay yes sure but we're talking about physical appearance

Madzillaright yeah physical appearance I me I love how we're talking about physical things but it gets so [ __ ] deep with every single thing like well because I get it

Dob Jonesthough is express yourself from your life experiences so you change and you for you know you morph and you

Dob Jonestransform and wait what was the question again tax

Brian Atlasget all right 85 or 55 85 yes you'll be more attractive at 85 yes

Brian Atlasokay will you be more attractive at 95 than you are now at 55 oh no okay oh 95 is the breaking

Brian Atlaspoint5 95 all right what about this what about this um are you more physic physically attractive now at 55 than you were at 45 so 10 years

Elissa Cheesemanago no hold on you were more attractive at 45 yeah because I didn't go all through all those awful stress now you took her

Brian Atlasstress away for the for the other that's pretend there's no stress but I was a tomboy most of my life so okay what about uh 35 then 35 were you more phys were you more physically attractive at

Brian Atlas35 than you are now at 55 no but I had a lot more boyfriends back then wait I'm a little confused because you said right now you're going through a significant amount of stress yes so I don't feel very wait wait wait stop stop stop was

Brian Atlasthat stress the stress that you're feeling now more than the stress that you were having at 45 yes but you you said you were you're more attractive now no no I was more

Brian Atlasattractive at 45 then oh excuse me okay then I misheard okay so more attractive at 45 did I did anybody else mishar that I heard her say that I thought you said Okay okay so more attractive at 45 then

Elissa Cheesemanokay all right moving on what about you I'm just going to keep getting hotter every year okay that's a troll answer I'm with you yeah so okay you're 25 that's not a troll answer it's I'm going

Elissa Cheesemanto be hot so you're okay so you're 25 will you be more physically attractive at 35 I hope so because I'm not trying to peek yet so yeah I definitely will yeah will you be more physically

Brian Atlasattractive at 45 damn Brian oh my God yeah than you are now at 25 yeah will you be more physically attractive at 55 than you are now at 25 I told you I'm going to keep getting

Brian Atlashotter the answer is yes the answer is yes for all the ages for all okay um so I have a question then for you uh if if it's the case that you're

Brian Atlasgoing to be more physically attractive at 55 than you are now uh do you think that being physically attractive confers certain benefits like pretty privileged do you believe in that I mean I think there definitely sorry I think there

Elissa Cheesemandefinitely are instances like that there's that's definitely a very real thing I mean people get treated differently based on how they look all the time so right okay so if I could wave a magic wand that would

Brian Atlasin terms of your outward physical appearance that would just age you 30 years and it wouldn't have any impact on your health but you're aging me physically it would have no impact on your health you would still live just as

Brian Atlaslong as you would have otherwise lived just your outward appearance we're going to age you forward 30 years no thank you to where you consider yourself to be more physically attractive would you take

Elissa Cheesemanit that all right now now it's getting tricky because in my because in my head right now yeah I'm going to I'm going to keep getting hot but like I don't want to say yes to your scenario because you're saying you're advancing my B like

Andrew Wilsonare you giving me a ton of wrinkles now because that's not my scenario hang on scenario are you wait wait wait are you aware that Brian what Brian just did was he caught you in what's called cognitive

Andrew Wilsondissonance you yourself inside of your brain believe that in 20 30 years you'll be just as good-look as you are now but as soon as Brian says okay there's no Health ramification you would actually

Andrew Wilsonbe more beautiful by your own estimation in 30 years if I had a magic w i can wave it and therefore you're aged forward now you're more beautiful than you are right now with no negative Health ramifications how could there

Elissa Cheesemanever be a no how could there that was my mistake then I misheard the question if I'm getting more if he is agreeing then I'm going to get more hot no he he's not agreeing he's not agreeing then my

Elissa Cheesemanoriginal thing is you mentioned wrinkles too well because in my head when you're saying like all right you're my body body is going to stay the same but you're going to pack 30 years of life into my skin so I'm assuming that you

Brian Atlasyour body is not going to stay the same your body is going to age you just said that it wasn't no hold on let me let me restate but no Health there will be no health so for example there won't be any

Brian Atlasuh negative Health consequences that are related to aging okay then okay if you would Otherwise Die at age 80 if I age you forward 30 years you would it's not

Brian Atlasgoing to like you're not going to die sooner you're not going to have any health problems sooner if you were uh at age 60 get cancer you're not going to get it sooner it's just your outward physical

Andrew Wilsonappearance yeah I'm sticking with it I'm going to yeah yeah so you'll get wrinkles well if I I'm going to be hot I hot with some wrinkles okay so so if Brian could age

Andrew Wilsonyou forward just appearance wise 30 years and there was no negative Health ramifications you would let him wave the oneand in fact would tell him to because it would just you would just be more beautiful right well okay this is my

Elissa Cheesemanlike scen I have to make active choices to ensure that I just keep getting hotter like he's just waving it right now like I don't know yeah but whatever so so whatever those active choices would be ordinarily we're assuming that

Andrew Wilsonthose active choices are implemented inside of the hypothetical of him waving the wand so you should actually demand that he wave such a wand because you would be even more beautiful right I I

Elissa Cheesemanwill demand it Brian why want to take years off your life though yeah but why are you AG no no no years off the life oh okay well that makes a difference no years off life but I'm getting like hotter but then I'm closer to no well no

Andrew Wilsonno by your estimation whatever you think you'll look like at that age right we don't know what you're going to look like we just have to go off your assumption you believe that you're going to be much hotter in 30 years than you

Andrew Wilsonare right now so so let me give you the distinction I think that's [ __ ] delusional and insane but you don't you think that that's totally reasonable and fine Del if you do so hang on that's fine but if you do think that that's

TTS donationsreasonable and fine you do think you'll be more beautiful then you should be going Don $200 these answers show how delusional y'all are the top men at these clubs who

TTS donationscould get anyone AR surrounded by gilfs if there even is such a thing they're surrounded by 20-year-old versions of you

Andrew Wilsonokay cool great what clubs I can't wait to CL are you talking about so just so just back to this real quick you would want Brian to wave the wand and age you

TTS donationsforward 30 years I mean no cuz I don't really want to age like right now I want to do it like myself but I will get hotter is what I'm saying Kristen ated $200 thanks ladies I would not be able

TTS donationsto keep my roster of side chicks if it wasn't for ladies like you cosigning the BS that I tell them you are helping us s guys pump and dump feminists on birth control

Andrew Wilsonso you wouldn't want him to wave the Aging wand even though you would be hotter with no Health ramifications that's really weird no because I'm going to get there in my own time like I don't need him to speed it up for me like that's fine yeah but there's no speeding up you just are going to look like you

Andrew Wilsonwould in 30 years but there's no negative Health ramifications your age physically stays the same you just look like you would at 30 years plus no I'll

Andrea Vasquezjust wait until I get there is filler included cuz if filler is real just side comment I like a year ago I remember

Andrea Vasquezthere was this study when I was in one of my classes um in school and they were like yes like men and women when they did this massive like uh meta study they were like men and women like are more

Andrea Vasquezattracted to someone usually that's younger does look better right objectively they they look better let's be real

Andrew Wilsonso but in terms of dating someone the older they got the more they they mashed up with their age yes but hang on let me give you the counter to this is I

Andrew Wilsonunderstand the series of studies that you were referring to yes that is true and generally people date within about 3 years generally of whoever their partner is going to end up being this is

Andrew Wilsonabsolutely correct but this is because the pool in which they draw from is generally going to be amongst their peers and they're giving they're given no alternative options however if you adjust for alternative options meaning

Andrew Wilsonyou show them picture of young hot 20-year-old and 50-year-old and say if you could ideally pick one which would you pick which one do you think they pick private chat so dating wise yes

Andrea Vasquezthey would definitely it I mean depends on the values of course right but dating wise you have nothing in common when you're 80 with a 20-year-old either way

Andrew Wilsonnothing you have nothing in Okay so first of all I didn't give you the wide birth of a geriatric versus a 20-year-old what I said is that if you're a 50-year-old if you were a

Andrew Wilson50-year-old 40y old 30y old and you were given the picture of the 20 21 22y Old versus the person in your age bracket and you were asked which one you would

Andrew Wilsonprefer you say I prefer the younger girl now I'm conceding your your one point which is that uh people do generally date within their age bre ET but that's because those are the peers which they

Andrew Wilsonhave around them so that is the pool they can draw from but if given the option of alternative pools they would draw from those pools yep so I think that's just a hypothetical like where is

Andrew Wilsonthat even coming from it's not hypothetical that's data analysis that's actually not only has this been cataloged and the data has been uh set in the and how they did this was this I'll give you the methodology so that

Andrew Wilsonyou understand what they did was they said okay uh we're granting that most relationships happen within about 3 years of each other so they went to a

Andrew Wilsonbunch of men and they asked the men okay if you could have this pool of woman who look like this versus this pool one being 10 to 20 years older in their age

Andrew Wilsonbracket versus the one 10 to 20 years younger guess which one they went for which one do you think they went okay here's the thing I understand where you're going with this no no answer my question first and then tell me where

Andrea VasquezI'm going with this yes they OB you said based on looks you just said based on looks that they would they would obviously go for the one that looks better but when it really comes down to

Andrea Vasquezwhich ones were those hang on which ones were those the younger ones or the old younger yes yeah that's right the younger yes so but you're saying when when they looked at a picture of someone

Andrea Vasqueznot when they're actually interacting and conversing on things that someone has no idea where they even were when they were when 9/11 happened like there all you're saying is that if we could project a 50-year-olds personality into

Andrew Wilsona 20-year-old's hot body men would always go for that that's all you're saying we all all you're saying is like okay so some men prefer to have long walks on the beach and late night conversations but they still would

Andrew Wilsonreally prefer a hot chick that's what you're saying we we actually have we actually have some stuff we can pull hang on hang on say that again I think we all would right I think we all would so this is

Andrew Wilsonwhere you need to move out of the delusion because you just admitted you think we all would which would include you which would include the 50-year-old which would include all of them so you can't give me that oh the age Gap gives

Andrea Vasquezme the ick right can't do the ick can't do the ick I said in society's eyes that's how they view men and women I didn't never said that no you didn't you said I think we all would that's a

Andrew Wilsoncollective which includes you we all would date someone that looks better yeah and if those people happen to bees what they happened to be younger would you be dating the younger

Andrew Wilsonpeople the thing is like not question to ask me a question I'm trying to present like a a value type scenario here like it's

Andrea Vasqueznot just all about looks is the whole point like when it comes down to it the reason why they're with that person the VA the the variable there is

Andrea Vasquezbecause of the values is because of like the time frame of the mindset it's not about looks at the end of the day that's what I'm saying it's about looks at the beginning of the day it's not it's not

Libby Spainabout looks huh when you see the picture yes it's the law of diminishing returns for women it's the law of diminishing returns I looked way better at 30 than

Libby Spainat 50 you know I still feel like I'm an attractive lady um but I looked way better at 30 but you could run laps around like your 20-year-old self now

Libby Spainthough you know mentally mentally absolutely talk but just on a physical uh Dynamic it's the law of diminishing returns and your your Youth and your

Libby Spaincollagen and your you know beautiful non- wrinkled skin and all of that stuff um is part of the package of what a man that's older and successful and

Libby Spainestablished is going to be attracted to you know and that's just the tradeoff that is the trade-off of how it's always been with

Libby Spainhumans initially yes of course and and I certainly have a husband who values my mind he thinks I'm he thinks I'm a 10

Libby Spainand he thinks I'm brilliant or whatever right makes me feel like I'm being viewed as a whole entity not just physical appearance right I make him

Libby Spainlaugh he makes me laugh all of that stuff but when you're a young woman you're your your mind is not what men are instantly judging you by they take

Libby Spainone look and boom they make snap decisions in their head um based on whether they'd want to talk to you whether any of that stuff and so and as you get older your looks are going to go

Libby Spaindown the decline I mean that's just a fact of life it's like look there's tradeoffs now there's tradeoffs and it's not true for me it's just cope so is it Opposite just cope I get d

Brian Atlasthat's not what I'm arguing it's not what I'm arguing but this idea that in terms of the attractiveness of your personality and the attractiveness of

Brian Atlasyour mind it somehow increases as you get older is absolute cope I don't think most people again I already asked you guys do you get more jaded as you age

Brian Atlasmost people in my estimation uh typically don't tend to actually really develop like really compelling fantastic

Serenapersonalities as they get older I've always I'm kind of confused because if I was 50 trying to date and I'm on a dating app I'm going to be

Madzillalooking around for other 50 you're you're a woman though men and women have are different you wouldn't try to snag you a little like fine ass little 30-year-old little Z here Nick pull up

Andrew Wilsonthe studies please why would she want looking probably not if I saw someone 30 and they had a great hold on Oh no you're too hot and too rich I don't want

Andrew Wilsonyou okay come on like what kind of cope is this [ __ ] oh you're too hot and too rich I don't want you said no chick ever ever nobody which show of hands you're

Andrew Wilsontoo hot too rich I don't want you lie to me put up your hands I want to hear it I want to hear that the guy who's 20 years younger than you at 50 who's just too hot and too rich I just don't want him because you know he's got some

Deadbeat (Christine)personality quirks he doesn't like like [ __ ] basket weaving as much as me care how much M no I don't care how much money you

Deadbeat (Christine)have you got a whack ass personality I'm going leave which is why money you going to stay want your man [ __ ] T of [ __ ] money and I still left his ass what abouty good dick Let's test it let's

Andrew Wilsontest it and see if it's actually true what are the actual things that you want your man interested in that you're interested in go ahead me

Andrew Wilsonyeah yeah that's I think that's her answer uh no I just want him interested what do you want him interested in that you're

Andrew Wilsoninterested interested in me that's okay yeah he's interested in you but he' be interested in you at 30 or at 50 so what

Andrew Wilsonare these quirks at 30 what are these interests at 30 that he's going to have that you don't have we have a lot of

Andrew Wilsoninterest I have a lot of interest okay I could also match his interest okay it's about you're not answering the question you're OPP you're literally oppos ask it again I'll ask it again what are these

Andrew Wilsoninterests you think you're going to have at 50 that you just demand that your man also must have honestly I think we're going to have our own interest cuz we're different people right so then so then he's too hot and too rich at 30 because

Andrew Wilsonhe doesn't share some perceived interest you don't even have really usually wisdom matches up at the end of the day like at once you get older tell

Madzillame what is the thing that you demand your man has true you don't even know iting each other's interest like in your 30s are you talking about material things like a house this and that

Andrew WilsonHobbies talking about Hobbies right I have no idea what you're talking well so what I'm trying to do is this I'm trying to say I don't actually believe you when you say if you're at 50 and you're you this 30-year-old guy who's really

Andrew Wilsongood-looking and really rich is incompatible due to some sort of Interest differential hell yeah is what you're saying okay okay stop stop hang on let me finish the question that's what you're saying then tell me what

Deadbeat (Christine)those interests would be my interest would be like crocheting building puzzles like talking about shows like I Carly talking about SpongeBob making

Andrew Wilsonreferences like I just want to make sure I got this clear I got this clear playing World of War 50 years old you're going to reject a 30-year-old with a lot of money because he's not interested in your [ __ ]

Deadbeat (Christine)crocheting lie to me again lie to me again I'm not lying to you I what I told you is that I would want to be with a partner that respects my interest he wantoch but he can ask a question about

Andrew Wilsonanywhere gives a [ __ ] about your crocheting and you know it like how many more lies you got to tell nobody's like honey you love your tell me more about your needle it's so important to me if

Deadbeat (Christine)I'm 50 years old and he got bread and he has a shitty personality I'm not taking it I'm 50 I'm well off I'm good but when you when you say that I ask what that means you say it's a lack of shared

Andrew Wilsoninterest right that's part of the personality say lack of shared interest yeah no you just did in fact you gave us crocheting as an example I gave you you legitimately are going to reject a 30-year-old hang on at 50 you think

Andrew Wilsonyou're going to legitimately reject a 30-year-old hot dude with a lot of money interested in your [ __ ] crocheting I'm personally going to reject anyone with the shitty personality and I thought that was the topic yeah that's not my question what's my question

Deadbeat (Christine)repeat back to me okay so if your question is if I'm going to reject someone because he doesn't like my crocheting I'm going to be like yeah I understand that he does like exactly exactly what

Deadbeat (Christine)the [ __ ] what is this but that wasn't the question you said if he wasn't interested the real question yes the question was if he wasn't interested in all of my hobbies and I thought it was

Deadbeat (Christine)also that he had a bad personality was that not the original question that he was a piece of [ __ ] and he was hot and Rich the question was perfect what hob a bad person not a good personality if he

Andrew Wilsonhas a shitty personality stop with that for a second what hobbies you just said if he's not interested in my hobbies I want to know specifically which Hobbies let me ask the question let me

Andrew Wilsonask the question what hobbies specifically which Hobbies specifically do you demand he takes an interest in cuz crocheting you don't give a [ __ ] [ __ ] if he has his own Hobbies he has his own hobbies and I have my own

Deadbeat (Christine)Hobbies like that that doesn't matter you the original question was if this is gone this is totally derailed this is totally derailed can I respond about the wisdom

Andrea Vasquezthing okay but let me I'll move it back to what I was trying to I want to finish this up so go ahead all right no you go go ahead well I'm just I'll just say real quick like I'm I think like I totally agree the interest thing like

Andrea Vasquezcultural like I want to watch I Carly when I'm 60 with you period right um but the wisdom thing like usually I think it matches up at a certain age like why do you think that like a lot of guys who

Brian Atlasare players when they're younger become like faithful when they're older I've literally seen this my Uncle do this you think men care about you I don't even think women really care about wisdom otherwise there would be chicks in the

Brian AtlasDMS of like the most intelligent engineers and the smartest nerdiest guys chicks want to [ __ ] the athletes the hot dudes the stat the guys with status the models the actors get out of here about

Brian Atlaseven girls wanting wisdom that's [ __ ] bogus otherwise y'all be trying to [ __ ] rocket scien are you Pro

Amandascientist said that you said that I never said that you can't say I'm [ __ ] this I be smashing on the nerves the golden retriever like dear 50-year-old engineer can you please

Brian Atlasexplain to me how a Servo Works said no chick ever they don't [ __ ] care about wisd kind bro and if it was about wisdom if y'all were attracted to wisdom bro

Brian AtlasEngineers [ __ ] software Engineers coders would be drowning in [ __ ] [ __ ] but they're not you guys want to [ __ ] athletes do you have any you can

Brian Atlasask I don't you guys athlet and movie stars and [ __ ] more [ __ ] hold on here this check this out

Deadbeat (Christine)wait hold on check this out I came here and I said I would date you and you're literally like what are you doing you're not you're not [ __ ] podcast

Andrew Wilsonhost you're so right you're so right what is doing let's see he has one of the largest podcast the world perceived as being rich by multiple women oh gee what what could

Brian Atlasthe alternative motivation Poss I'm going based off his looks okay so hold on hold on uhhuh she wants to smash you know what wait guys she didn't

Brian Atlasget yet she's an opinion okay who do you think is getting more DMS Drake or some like computer scientist who who goes to ucsb's on the internet that's different

Brian Atlasit was was about wisdom these these software Engineers these [ __ ] physicist sofware engine I wish I could

Brian Atlasfind a is anyone else hry hold on hold on stop let I only one person can be talking at a time so let me at least say what I have to say okay if it was the

Brian Atlascase that y'all really really if women across the board thought wisdom was the number one attraction trigger then these software engineers and uh I'm trying to think physicists and mathematicians

Serenawould be drowning and [ __ ] [ __ ] but they're not W they're not on the internet I volunteer IUN people don't know about those people if people are

Serenagoing for athletes and movie stars it's because how about in college you went to UCSB right do you think the soccer players at us UCSB you know on a balance of

Brian Atlasprobabilities I think Con on the balance of probabilities are like the soccer players at UCSB getting more [ __ ] than the guys who are doing software engineering but there's also a difference the way that they idolize uh

Deadbeat (Christine)the soccer player and they don't acknowledge they idolize stat of the soccer players they Idol their I'm not talking about the PE the women I'm talking about their coaches I'm talking about the teams it's a part of their strategy to boost their confidence so

Deadbeat (Christine)they can win whatever match they're playing so they idolize that and they glorify that so it's constantly on the Internet it's constantly being talked about but you have an engineer that's just doing a really really great job no one's talking about

Brian Atlasthat right precisely yeah but if it had to do with wisdom women would seek out these oh really wait wait wait I think women wait wait hang on hang on hang on hang on let's back up nobody's talking

Andrew Wilsonabout Bill Gates nobody's talking about Steve Jobs nobody's talking about these massive Engineers who are pioneers of computer tech did you ever see what their women look like hang on their women look like you think that their

Andrew Wilsonwomen were [ __ ] Knockouts or what come on they're these are some of the most talked about men on planet Earth they were [ __ ] dorks they were not pulling good trim you know they weren't guess who

Brian Atlasthey left their wives for what's that Wom younger women Jeff bezo younger women what they left their wives for younger women Jeff bezos's new chick ain't she's not I should I'm not

Andrew Wilsonmean is dating gr I'm not gonna be mean but je the point the point is though is that half of these guys wives leave them they leave them they that check hang on

Andrew Wilsonhang on let me finish let me finish they have all the wisdom in the world they have billions of dollars their wives end up maybe it's because of their value stop let me finish the point so the

TTS donationsWives end up leaving them reason for this is donated $200 this is called the hotand fallacy the big short dulu women things that what's happening now going to continue

TTS donationsto happen even more in the future because they think they're going to wage like wine nope thank you Francis appreciate it Andrew um if you can just go ahead uh with your point yeah I'll

Andrew Wilsonjust very quickly wrap up so I'm just saying no there are plenty of very aged very wise men who also happen to be ugly as [ __ ] who it seems that women are not very into even though even though

Andrew Wilsonthey're rich and they have all the wisdom and all of that somehow they still end up not going for those guys but going for the 6'2 jocked out guy who um who they actually are attracted to to

Brian AtlasBrian's Point Let's do uh Nick twitch first then we'll do the studies then we got to we haven't even finished going around on the question and then we got to all right guys go to twitch.tv/

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Brian Atlasthank you and then here's the studies really quick to kind of uh touch on this since you brought up some studies of your own all right so this is a woman's age versus the age of the men who look

Brian Atlasbest to her so as a woman ages she typically tends to find a guy a couple years uh a little few years older than her typically more attractive although uh it does tend to change as they get

Brian Atlasinto in terms of what they of the men who look best to her and to your point it doesn't necessarily mean that these are the men they're going to end up with or be in a relation ship with but this

Brian Atlasis what they find the most physically attractive and then there's the man one Nick if you can switch over a man's age ver vers the age of the women who look best to him and then across all ages for

Brian Atlasmen you have men on the left there even into their 50s they prefer men in their or prefer what the [ __ ] they prefer women in their early 20s y

Andrea Vasquezso but again it might it doesn't mean that a 50-year-old can get a 22 it's also at the end of the day when it comes down to it they think they're more attractive but they end up dating at the

Andrea Vasquezend of the day someone who's around their age right but so so if they could if they have where is that coming from though is that just like a thought like

Brian Atlaswhere is that coming from I mean we see this so if you look at like hyper successful men for example if you look at Leonardo DiCaprio we had Toby Maguire if you could pull that up Nick uh Toby

Brian AtlasMaguire got there was a of he's 49 Toby Maguire from Spider-Man the best Spider-Man he's dating a 20-year-old uh and can you show us the

Brian Atlasnext tab on do we have the next tab yeah good for them uh no that's not her it's up the first one click the first one one there the first one her white uh the

Brian Atlasnext one over click the next one over uh there's a better one is can you scroll up or the Instagram one with pink top yeah yeah yeah it's the one you can click it but I don't think

Brian Atlasthat's her no the one below it click the one below it the sun damn why there's Okay click the one uh the up

Brian Atlasmiddle yeah can you move us yeah okay Toby Maguire I mean terrible photo they caught him impromptu or uh

Brian Atlasokay so he's 49 dating a 20-year-old he's getting a bunch of flack for it uh yeah men who have the capacity to oh oh there's also uh who's the lead singer of

Brian AtlasThe Red Hot Chili Peppers oh Nick could you Google that um what's his name it's like Anthony or something Anthony K ke uh P wait what is his name chat uh lead

Libby Spainsinger of Red Hot Chili Peppers just be like his name Anthony ketas girlfriend it's easier to manage a younger woman I think it's you know that's a perfect age physically for

Libby Spainhaving children just I really feel like that's like the that's they're going for them they're going because they're easier to I think they're hardwired like you know procreate yeah

Libby Spainprocreate Jared I think it's that they've been like influenced in society so long I think it's hardwiring cuz it's it's all of humanity media yeah that is

Brian Atlastrue all right that's him he's in his 60s looks like who is this anony I don't know who Anthony I believe he's in his for and

Libby Spainhe's Mar he's 61 currency she's 20 the social currency is the in humanity and speaking of not just modernity but all of human history

Libby Spainis why did somebody just say he was marrying his daughter it's going to be you know younger women young women are considered currency that can protect and provide for them and give structure and

Libby Spainstability and have a home and a household and then the women are procreating and they have that ability to do that so I mean it's always been

Libby Spainthe disparity with that age Gap throughout human history I just feel like they're hardwired to see that as attractive and a partner like he said

Andrea Vasquezyeah I think it's also like societal values too right like cuz it's

Andrea Vasquezlike Society kind of brings and teaches men to like value

Andrea Vasquezyouth youth yeah and you think there's a biological basis for that infantile type characteristics infantile yes they want

Brian Atlashairless they want hairless women small petite like innocent don't know [ __ ] okay hold on let here let me just turn this directly around on you I'll just I can just do the same sort of

Brian Atlaspathologizing towards women so women who are desirous of tall men they have they're incest toiles because they think of tall men they think of their fathers

Brian Atlasor women who like big muscular men again I'm just using your same like ridiculous logic back at you but what if my dad's

Andrew Wilsonshort yeah but what if you don't like hairless women right that's the same that's very rare let's be real but but if we're only going to point it outliers when you're talking about a society wide

Andrew Wilsonphenomenon then I just would like for you to do this for me if you don't mind if you don't mind can you name for me any society anywhere that you can think

Andrea Vasquezof that prefers hairy women who uh are fat can you name one uh like ancient societies yeah name any okay let's look at all the sculptures in history back

Andrew WilsonItalian back in history if we look at like what was painted in history they were not it was different values like there were no they were bigger okay great great hang on hang on I'll just

Deadbeat (Christine)grant it can you name a single society which values hairy fat women oh my God Italian during their Rena let her answer during the

Andrea VasquezRenaissance being heavier answer yeah like the the the women that were especially bigger were were seen as

Deadbeat (Christine)wealthier like having more yeah what Society was this I don't know like I I don't know what it was but it's true we can look it up right now why

Andrew Wilsondon't we allow each other to help us with the answers true also look you can come in after the exchange is done if you have a rebuttal

Andrew Wilsonyou can come in and be like actually I know the society Andrew you don't because they don't exist but you could do that after the exchange is done right but I'm not arguing with six people at once because I can't even understand the

Andrew Wilsonarguments then so I just argue with one person at a time which is totally reasonable so back to this can you name a single Society which values hairy fat women I'm waiting so I don't know if I can known a specific Society but I know

Andrew Wilsonthat it was a thing wait I have a question for out of all the societies which you're aware of are you aware of the Roman society yes okay great uh did they take

Andrew Wilsonup most of the world almost are you aware of of most of the European societies which exist today yeah are you aware that there was

Andrew WilsonBarbarian societies which existed yes are you aware that there was Viking societies which existed okay where so these are massive societies they they spanned the entire world many of them

Andrew Wilsoncan he name any of them which really valued hairy fat women let's look at the art answer the question first and then ask one Harry first of all

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