She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #177

Date: 2024-07-10

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDeadbeat (Christine)>

AAmanda (DT177)>

AAndrea Vasquez >

EElissa Cheeseman >

SSerena (DT177)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01Libby Spain(guest)

SPEAKER_02Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_03Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_04Serena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrea Vasquez(guest)

SPEAKER_07Dob Jones(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madzilla(guest)

SPEAKER_11Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_12Elissa Cheeseman(guest)

SPEAKER_14Deadbeat (Christine)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDob Jones introduces herself as "Dolphin Girl" and explains dolphin communication is "telepathic holographic picture talking."

“my name is DOB Jones and also known as dolphin girl and I'm an animal activist I do Dolphin Research in the cognitive Sciences of dolphin communication”

QuoteAlien reveals she is dating a tree near her house.

“there's no real story there's just a tree down the street from my house I think he's beautiful and I'm dating”

QuoteDeadbeat estimates she received approximately $800,000 in gifts/cash from men over 8 years of stripping.

“maybe like 800,000 over time I would say”

QuoteBrian asks Dob Jones if she has had "carnal knowledge of a dolphin."

“this is a dating podcast have you had carnal knowledge of a dolphin”

OtherDeadbeat tells story of Waka Flocka Flame's team dragging her into his section at a strip club; she was defended by his crew and left with ~$2,500.

“this is Waka Flocka and his team... he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and Drug me into the section”

OtherDeadbeat tells traumatic story of a customer masturbating on her feet during a back-room private dance.

“I open my eyes and this guy is straight up on my feet... he was just straight up jerking off on my feet”

QuoteBrian mentions Big Labia Matter (BLM) nonprofit — 10,000 labiaplasties per year in the US.

“check out my nonprofit movement big labia matter BLM for short it's really the pressing issue of our time 10,000 labia plasties a year just tragedy”

QuoteAmanda declines the self-rating question with "peace and love" and claims "we're all tens."

“I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of Consciousness into the sphere... with peace and love”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women who self-rate 8-10/10 are delusional due to constant simping/gas-lighting in their DMs; cites "female narcissism" as a byproduct of male attention asymmetry.

“this is why you end up having a room full of women who are you know... and they go I'm a 10”

ControversyExtended heated debate between Andrew Wilson and Andrea Vasquez / guests about whether male preference for clean-shaven women is correlated with pedophilic tendencies.

“if a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to be shaved down there... is that of the nature of being a PDF file... it is a... yes”

QuoteAlien discloses race-play degradation kink — wants white men to use racial slurs but only if they seem genuinely uncomfortable doing so.

“I like degration so like... I just want them to degrade me in a racial way I know it's like it's more trauma response type of thing”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas opens show, references Santa Barbara Lake Fire (12% contained). Guests introduce themselves: Madzilla (model/artist, LA), Alien (warehouse worker/OnlyFans, AZ), Deadbeat/Christine (stripper/OnlyFans, Riverside), Amanda (sculptor, NJ), Andrea Vasquez (jiu-jitsu coach, NJ), Dob Jones (dolphin researcher), Elissa Cheeseman (fashion grad, PA), Serena (nursing student, SB), Libby Spain (entrepreneur, TX), Andrew Wilson (debate host, remote).

Madzilla / BigMilkGang Bitcoin Donation

During intro Brian references a $100K Bitcoin donation from BigMilkGang for Madzilla.

Dolphin Communication and Telepathy Debate

Dob Jones explains her research on interspecies telepathic communication with dolphins. Andrew Wilson challenges her on scientific evidence, citing Amazing Randi's $1M prize for demonstrating psychic abilities (zero successful claimants). Dob cites a 1997 newspaper article where she called dolphins in front of a reporter. Debate covers faith vs. evidence, military ESP programs, and the nature of consciousness.

Relationship Status and Dating Histories

Brian goes around the table asking relationship status, roster size, and longest relationships. Notable: Deadbeat had 4 men paying her bills simultaneously; estimates ~$800K in gifts over 8 years. Amanda is in a 4-year age-gap relationship started on DMT. Alien is casually talking to someone for 1-2 weeks. Madzilla has a 5-year-old son from a brief hookup.

Strip Club Stories (Deadbeat)

Deadbeat shares two strip club stories: (1) positive celebrity encounter with Waka Flocka Flame — invited into his section, left with ~$2,500; (2) traumatic back-room story where a construction worker masturbated on her feet during a paid private dance. Andrew Wilson challenges the boundary-drawing logic; discussion of strip club etiquette and parasocial relationships between dancers and customers.

Trump vs. Biden: Who Would You Sleep With?

Hypothetical question: Trump or Biden? Panel answers. Deadbeat: Biden (soft old man energy). Elissa: declined (has boyfriend). Several pick Biden. Andrew criticizes everyone for missing the obvious answer (Biden would forget about it in 5 minutes).

Sassy Men Apocalypse

Deadbeat discusses the "sassy men apocalypse" — attractive mid-tier men becoming increasingly sassy and expecting to be chased. Panel discussion on gender dynamics in modern dating.

Self-Rating Round (Wisdom of the Crowd)

Andrew Wilson proposes "wisdom of the crowd" framing — asking guests what 1,000 men would rate them on a 1-10 scale. Amanda refuses to engage ("we're all tens / peace and love"). Most women rate themselves 8-10. Andrew rates himself 4. Dob Jones: 6.5. Libby Spain: 5. Extended meta-debate about female delusion, social media gas-lighting, and the epistemics of self-assessment.

Do Women Get More Attractive With Age?

Brian asks guests whether they will be more physically attractive at 35, 45, 55 vs. now. Most younger guests say yes; Dob Jones (55) says she would have been more attractive at 45 (pre-stress). Andrew argues all-else-equal, women peak young. Libby Spain invokes "law of diminishing returns." Discussion of Botox, societal standards, male vs. female aging.

Age-Gap Relationships and Social Stigma

Discussion of whether society normalizes old men dating young women in film (James Bond examples debated; Andrew asks Dob to name a movie where age-gap is promoted as good). Dob cites Hugh Hefner. Andrew argues men who date younger get called "PDF files" while women who date younger men are called "cougar" — and that the stigma on men is actually greater.

Female Condom Demo

Brian produces a female condom and passes it around. Panel reactions vary — Alien says she used one and had to get Plan B when it shifted. Amanda immediately leaves. General amusement and awkwardness.

Feminist Identity and Female Oppression Debate

Extended segment asking guests if they identify as feminist. Definitions debated (Andrew: "rejection of patriarchy"; others disagree). Discussion of whether women in the US are oppressed. Body hair, shaving preferences and pedophilia correlation debated at length. Bear vs. man in the woods poll conducted.

Race Play / Degradation Kink (Alien)

Alien discloses she is into race-play degradation with white men — but only with men who are visibly uncomfortable saying racial slurs, not ones who are eager. Traces the kink to a childhood racial incident. Andrea shares that her ex-boyfriend later revealed a financial degradation fetish.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Most women choose bear. Brian offers $100K challenge to any woman who will spend an hour in a 10x10 room with a black bear. Alien volunteers. Percentage of men who would attack estimated by women: ranging from 10-20% to 50%.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasvery subjective and it has a lot yeah so there's no there's no problem with it right problem there's still a problem like what's the problem well okay well what's the problem what is the problem

Elissa Cheesemanwith men preferring women to shave down their like it's not it's not that a it's a problem it's you literally just said problem she was talking about like the social construct of it and how there's

Elissa Cheesemanlike problems in our society with this kind of stuff like she's not obsess with use yeah like she's not trying to make this every's problemy out you guys that's not even true like I thought we you're not even trying to understand what I'm saying right now you're

Brian Atlasactively trying to be aggressive you're not trying to understand maybe I can try to understand this a little better okay if a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to be to shave down there and

Brian Atlasprefers women who are not hairy is that of the nature of being a p PDF file it is a s it's in there yes

Andrew Wilsonthat is and would you say that that is also equally true of homo hang on hang on PF would you say that that's also then true of homosexual men who like they can be PDF files too I never said

Andrew Wilsonthey could yeah I know but are you are you saying that that is also associated with homosexuals it depends on what they prefer they might not prefer like shaven

Andrea Vasquezno but preer it if they do prefer it just like straight associate that withd thank move on fun fact no I I

Andrea Vasquezreally don't want to move on I really want I really want an actual answer to the question moment like it's literally the same answer each time I know but you don't really just like he said it's not about gender but suddenly it is like

Andrew Wilsonyou're making it about it so what are you trying to do here you're like making about homosexuals and then you're like because I don't understand I don't understand the distinction if it applies to straight men then it would also apply

Andrea Vasquezto homosexual men right can you just accept my answer is broader Society I can accept it if you answer my question I I just answered it

Andrew Wilsonbroader Society broader societ so that's not really an answer so reason the conversation frustrating from my end is because I really do feel

Andrew Wilsonlike I understand your position and I'm going to repeat your position for btim your position is there's a greater social push on men inside of the United

Andrew WilsonStates the country you and I live in for men to go after these beauty standards which include women who are shaved in various places am I wrong or am I

Andrew Wilsonright yes look at the South you can marry under the age how is that that is legal how is that relevant okay well it correlates I'm will hang on I'm willing

Libby Spainto Grant all of this but I just I just want to hear you say that I understand your argument and am trying to understand your argument okay that's what I'm asking what age like 14 what

Andrea Vasquezstate I don't know but I know it's a thing there's they have the balls still where you can go to a ball and like get a teenage bride what ball thing you see how far the termites have spread and how

Andrew Wilsonlong and well they've dined so anyway I'm I'm just saying I did repeat your argument back to you pretty much verbatim I do understand your argument you agree that that's true

Andrew Wilsonright and I am trying to understand what you're saying you agree that that's true I don't I no let's let's just Mo no so I can just repeat your argument back to you for btim you agreee I repeated it back for btim but I'm still not trying

Andrea Vasquezto understand it no you're not accepting my answer as Society Society doesn't mean you're a direct pedophile like why would I say that so so this is this is where we're

Andrew Wilsondeviating because because your answer makes no sense to me I don't need to accept it as being true that's why I am inquiring as to the answer I understand the position you agree I understand the

Andrea Vasquezposition what's wrong with me questioning the position if I don't agree with it cuz you're you're mischaracterizing my whole position you're literally putting why did you just agree that I

Andrea Vasquezdidn't no I said I never agree that you didn't I literally said can I give you your position back again no no so you're just going to concede the

Brian Atlasargument though can we like ask another question or like yeah we can I mean um I I do actually I have two things two more things on this so the example I gave

Brian Atlaswhere does do adult women having a preference for men who are clean shaven is that of the nature of them of women being PDF files no I never said it

Andrea Vasquezcorrelated it doesn't correlate like that for women but it does correlate for men who I never said it correlated wait but okay so what do you mean correlated I said in society it's

Brian Atlaslike valuing youth I never said it correlates directly to you being let me okay so let me talk on the individual level then a man who is attracted or

Brian Atlasprefers a woman who shaves down there has little or no body hair is that of

Andrea Vasquezthe nature of him perhap being a PDF file it is valuing youth it is in the nature of a pedophile cuz they value

Brian Atlasyouth is that not the definition of a pedophile what's the definition of a pedophile read PF the word L can you use PDF file okay so let's use heop

Brian Atlasfile would they be heiles I wouldn't go I wouldn't it's not worth going there um so yes for men but is that the

Brian Atlasdefinition of so then but would then it's the same for women too who don't like men with beards I never said it correlated I feel like I I don't knowes

Brian Atlasdirect I'm sorry I'm just not really under when you say it doesn't correlate but does it correlate when men prefer that in women I literally I will say the same

Andrea Vasquezverbatim the same answer I never said it correlated I said Society in a broader sense okay ignoring Society but that's a corate ignoring Society though that's that's literally a correlate

Andrew Wilsonit's like if I say Society in a broader sense likes it when women wear pink and you're like there's no correlate there what do you mean of course there's a correlate that that is a correlate no

Andrew Wilsonit doesn't mean that if you value that thing that you automatically are that thing I'm not that's not what I said I didn't say that because you value a thing you are that thing or not that thing I'm saying that for you to say

Andrew Wilsonit's not a correlate because society's pushing it that's literally a correlate how could it how how could it be anything else like saying Society pushes ice cream and I go well a lot of

Andrew Wilsonpeople eat ice cream that's a correlate you're making a correlate right do we need should we should we get a definition of corate sure maybe we

Brian Atlasneed a definition of corate I don't know um I'm just confused so do you object to one thing doesn't make one thing this let me ask you a question NE let me ask you a question then let me frame it I'm going to frame

Brian Atlascorrelation Mutual relationship or connection between two or more things okay let me frame this a little differently do you object to men having a preference for women who are clean

Andrea Vasquezshaven no not at all not at all I'm saying that's like that's like what Society values youth I don't care like I'm that's okay I'm going I'm going to move it on off of that you also

Brian Atlasmentioned when I said something along the lines of I'm 35 uh something about dating 25 year olds you said that's cringe why is that cringe because the way you said the way you

Andrea Vasquezphrased it you said how did I phrase it you said I'd rather date someone who's 25 because they have less baggage and I said saying that is super cringe why is

Andrea Vasquezthat cringe because my question was like why why would that be the

Brian Atlascase why would it be the case that when you're when you having lived less uh 10 years less why would it be the case that

Andrea Vasquezyou have less baggage but you said you've been through a lot of trauma too right so who would want to you the same way if a woman chooses to disqualify me

Brian Atlasbecause of either perceived or real baggage I don't care you don't care I don't care men and women don't get the same here here's the difference if like

Brian Atlasfor most men if a woman doesn't want to date them like we we kind of accept it like we accept for example that women prefer tall men we get we accept that

Brian Atlasright but you can't seem to AC like for you you would want to fight somebody on it like oh you don't want to date me because of this yeah if a girl doesn't want to date me she can she could not

Brian Atlaswant to date me for any reason I don't care there's plenty of women out there I'm not tripping if specific women or groups of women don't want to date me

Andrea Vasquezfor they might not want to date me because of my hands bro I don't care I'm saying on the point that you're making the exact point that you're making you're saying that like yes if a woman

Andrea Vasquezif someone is younger they have less baggage am I wrong quote unquote baggage which I hate that term it's a why do you hate the term baggage because it it it it

Andrea Vasquezlike like someone said before I don't know who it was but like just because you've been through trauma doesn't mean you're still traumatized like you can be healed and like better from that in a way that you weren't before what if

Brian Atlasyou're not yeah what if you're not then you're not not okay so would it be wrong for me to not want to date somebody who's dealing who's still going through that no not at all no I I think I think

Amandauh what's I think we all actually agree on this is just kind of being misconstrued the way everyone saying I think I 100% agree if you don't want to date someone because you feel like they have like trauma that get infringes on

Brian Atlasyour relationship I 100% agree on that yeah and it's fair game for women too I feel fair game for women you don't want to date a guy who's going through some [ __ ] 100% no one does that's wild but

Andrea Vasquezwe're just going to like that's 100% but why is it cringe why is it cringe so no I the way you phrase it you said I'd rather date someone who's 25 the way you said it was cringe how did I how me someone in general that doesn't have

Amandathat much baggage yeah that too like it it was I was giving you some reasons why but it could possibly be well at least for me it's just a generalized statement saying

Amandathat generally I understand though it's true when you're older you go through things that can be traumatizing but that doesn't inherently mean just because you're older you have more baggage on a

Amandageneral sense yeah not necessarily but I think that's with me and you that's the only thing that I'm talking about here I'm not talking about anyone else's opinions here I'm saying with that but I agree with everything I just wanted to clear that up with you so we're both on

Andrew Wilsonthe same page okay okay I just want to clear that up are we going back on track now yeah we're going to what should we talk about now okay we we weren't we weren't really

Andrew Wilsonoff track we were just trying to so the the whole point of this uh oh if you make a claim we just want to test the logic I just want to know why it is you think what you think and why you think

Andrew Wilsonit the same way when you when you say to Brian hey this is cringe that's you saying okay I think this thing I'm making this claim I think that this is offputting or there's something about this which is bad so he makes the

Andrew Wilsoninquiry what about it is bad tell me tell me what about it you find offputting or disturbing or something like this he's just trying to test the claim I I don't I don't I don't even see why anybody would be upset with

Andrea Vasquezthis okay you don't see let's read all the comments and see like you don't I'm reading the comments bro I'm not saying that I'm saying on your videos that go viral like let's read the comments and

Andrea Vasquezsee why people are upset in the way in which you present your point you're like oh I'd rather do someone who's like why do you think people are pissed at you wait yeah yeah it's the tone you're mad about the tone so here's the here's the thing here's the thing the

Andrea Vasquezway presents this point I don't give a [ __ ] I love arguing I will argue all day you can get loud with me I don't care love you love it then why do you suck at it so bad cool I don't care goodbye it's

Andrew Wilsonemotion versus logic I mean that's an honest question if so I love arguing I'll make the claim I love arguing I don't take any of it personally I literally want to know why you think what you think think and how you came to

Andrew Wilsonthose conclusions because I don't suck at arguing right I actually want to know your worldview I don't know if maybe my worldview is wrong maybe I'm way off maybe I'm crazy maybe I believe things

Andrew Wilsonthat I should you're just amazing never be able you'll never ConEd never be able to determine that in a million years though if I can't get a contrary worldview from you which is superior to

Brian Atlasmy own I could never do that wait okay you ConEd you you said you want to wait and see for the comments and uh yeah you know there's definitely been some viral Clips where no I didn't say I didn't say it like

Andrea Vasquezthat I meant like I meant like why do you think the way people respond like we like let's be real like why do you think that people respond in in the way they respond to you it's valid you can't just like shut out every criticism because

Andrea Vasquezthen you'd be literally a psychopath if you just shut out all criticism and was like I'm just going to exist and never take what someone says about me with a grain of salt at least wait so actually that's fair the criticism yeah what's

Andrew Wilsonthe actual argum like it's not tone policing like this random person is saying you said like oh the people like this random saying can't AR bagage what that that

Andrea Vasquezmakes it sound real like younger women are easier to manipulate is what you're pretty much saying younger women are less experien did not get that from that at all okay so what did you did those

Brian Atlasdid those work it's it's actually interesting because you I mean you kind of I think accused me earlier of like painting like putting words in your

Brian Atlasmouth did those words ever exit my mouth you said less baggage less trauma actually wait hold on let me just flip this right back at you wouldn't somebody

Brian Atlaswho's going through like who's not stable be easier to manipulate somebody who has a lot of baggage is easier to manipulate somebody who's not steadfast and is not really grounded aren't they

Andrea Vasquezeasier to manipulate I could just make the argument in reverse that can literally go that could go either way that could go either way n yes it can somebody who is somebody you

Brian Atlasthink somebody who's emotionally St who's emotionally stable is less easy to manipulate than somebody who's like I don't know what the uh less

Libby Spainemotionally vulnerable yeah like more vulnerable they're in a a rough place they don't have their wits about them I mean hey I hope you don't know anything you're like

Andrea Vasquezyou're just you're just better at everything in life that's not what I said at all I you don't know anything when you haven't experienced things and gone through things like how do you

Libby Spainlearn say is actually better I'm saying is actually that someone who is emotionally stable and healthy has

Libby Spainhealthy relationships hasn't been you know hurt or abused or or doesn't have divorces under their belt and all these emot emotional scars and damage they're

Libby Spainmore confident they're less easy to pull the wool over their ey look she's nodding and this is the difference between what I wouldn't call what Andrew was saying earlier about engineers or it

Libby Spainpeople being wise that's not the same at all intelligence you know and wisdom and degrees are all different right but life experience you see her nodding when I'm

Libby Spainsaying this when you when you are healthy and stable and strong you are much less likely to be taken advantage of because you don't have these needs um

Libby Spainwait you don't have these needs and insecurities and all these issues that are plaguing your mind and your thoughts filtering through everything coming into

Libby Spainyour brain all right you have more stability and groundedness in yourself and you understand you can see it more I'd argue the same thing at the opposite

Libby SpainPoint okay well that's fine and we can we can agree to disagree on that but here's the issue is that you seem to be getting so angry and upset and I don't understand why so I mean is there

Libby Spainsomething else to it because he he literally said that women who are younger have less baggage that is a fact that is there's nothing wrong with that statement and in my mind I was thinking

Libby Spainwell that's true of just people in general and then immediately he said well that's true for men too you know and there's nothing wrong with that the older you live the more people you know

Libby Spainthat die you know in my in my late 20s I had five people in my immediate family pass away do you think that that was not baggage going into my 30s that made it

Libby Spainhard in relationships I mean that was brutal at 25 I didn't have any of that so that right there to me proves what he

Libby Spainsaid but he was listing things like body counts going up people might have STDs they got kids by different daddies you know all these different things they

Libby Spainmight have been assaulted you know a million things bad can happen in life in a decade of living and good things too are you discounting being a human and

Libby Spainhaving a human experience as worthy I never said anybody wasn't worthy I I'm saying I understand his point which was it's simp it's easier it's simp Dost

TTS donationsdonated $200 here's a comment red head rard you are not intellectually nuanced by being intentionally evasive you are broadcasting your inability to grasp

Libby Spainbasic concepts and arguments Common Sense eludes you uh thank you augmented appreciate it did you want to finish I would love to I mean it's it's not about

Libby Spainvaluations on the life experiences because guess what I grew as a person I grew as a woman I have a lot of experiences that that have translated

Libby Spaininto wisdom that I can impart to my to my all my step kids I've got I've got five stepchild I've got three step grandchildren I have two teenage

Libby Spaindaughters and I am there to share my life experiences and the wise person is going to learn from other people's mistakes and bad experiences a smart person will learn from their own right

Libby Spainbut a wise person is going to learn from other people's and not have to experience it and God willing nothing bad ever happened to you but the longer you live the more people you're going to know who pass away that's what this

Libby Spaintattoo is for here as one of my girlfriends and it's just a fact of life you know it's so much harder to date when you have children and co-parenting and all of those things and the older

Libby Spainyou get and your beauty is going down you have to have a lot of resilience you have to have wisdom and character and fun amazing personality but you know what at the end of the day in the

Libby Spainbeginning of the day what are men attracted to he's not saying that he wouldn't choose somebody as a wife unless they were 25 and unless they had no baggage he's just saying that's what

Libby Spainmen are attracted to because it's easy it's simple and I have to agree based on the men I've known in my life that that's what they would go for if they

Libby Spainhad if everything's equal I'll take the chick that's not got all the baggage just cuz it's simple yep and a lot of my discounting your own self though like

Dob Joneshow I'm not discounting myself at all how can you say that like but but it's because a lot of my guy friends that have already been married or have a

Dob Joneschild they prefer being with younger women because it's so much easier I mean it's not as complicated because when you have children when you have families

Dob Joneswhen you've lived a bit and experienced hardships or challenges it is exhausting right but when you're with someone young you feel more youthful you feel like oh my God this is like I get to have fun again

Dob Jonesthey don't have to deal with the hard realities but and I don't want to date a man that has baggage like an older man that has like hasn't dealt with their exes hasn't dealt with like good

Dob Jonesparenting like I'm not attracted to those things either so I can see Brian's point of view of wanting to be attracted and date someone younger because if they

Dob Jonescan if they can if you can but it's also because it's just a few moments of just enjoying life and and sometimes younger

Dob Jonespeople enjoy life a little bit better than someone older because older you're dealing with so much crap it's hard

Dob Jonesadulting man it is so hard adult and it's nice to actually I mean let's enjoy this moment of us being here together

Dob Jonesbecause life is short you can be friends with someone one day and then they're like you know dead so thanks for the

Brian Atlasmusic Andrew and I can say this like the vast majority we love you too the vast majority of 40-year-old men have no

Brian Atlaschance getting a girl in college getting a 21y old no chance but I mean look we are anyways we already had the conversation I want to get around to

Morgan (off-panel)everybody but first I got to read two chats mat uh Morgan can you read this one please follow up to the hair question if men that like hairless women

Morgan (off-panel)are PDF files why do why do you shave are you trying to attract PDF files how many hairy armpits are on the panel tonight got you

Libby Spain[ __ ] you know I was going to say my grandmother told me that after World War II all the soldiers came back from Europe and that's when they wanted the women to start shaving their legs and

Libby Spainshaving their armpits because the sex workers in France had shaved yeah and so that was that that's where that came back over to the US and was I thought

Brian Atlasthey werey W French sex workers it was I thought the French workers were the French sex workers W French prostitutes so going around this um do

Brian Atlasyou uh do you shave your legs I guess yeah or armpits arm arm armpit yes that's

Brian Atlasdisgusting you guys are all disgust trying toct trying to attract these PDF files I'm not showing my arm playing

Brian Atlasinto it you guys are playing into this perverse don't societal correlation correlate what I don't get how you can't agree that that's like very obvious in

Morgan (off-panel)society what's up I'm joking with you it's not it's not really very obvious to me uh can you read this one Morgan I'm made 35 year old woman and young girls

Morgan (off-panel)and you young girls really need to take a note from your elders Brian would and should date someone at 20 over me at 35 stop taking things so personally you're only

Andrew Wilson24 I'm not Tak person I don't give a [ __ ] she don't you kind of give a [ __ ] I mean like those I mean I give a [ __ ] right now Rage Quit 5 minutes ago what are you talking you about to walk out

Amandahere you're like I'm about to I'm going walk out of here I I got heated for the moment it's good it's good but when I'm

Amandanot here I don't think about any of this same same here which is interesting so I give a [ __ ] for that moment but besides that moment I don't care cuz like I honestly am my did we bring you down

Andrew Wilsonfrom the higher plane of Consciousness no I brought I brought I brought you up withens Consciousness to the fourth dimensional

Amandayo you know I brought you up with me you can't deny that you you too Brian yeah I feel it there you go feel it personally I'm glad you stayed open my my myo terorism is at a plus 10 right now

Andrea Vasquezthat's for sure my heart Chopper opened okay we're going to finally this must be 3 hours later I feel like how can you relate then if you want to date someone that's younger though like I'm still stuck on this all right how can you relate I'll engage there really quick

Andrea Vasquezbut I do have to move it on so okay so you mean like if I was dating a 25-year-old how would I relate like say they haven't really been through a big loss how can you like help that person through life too who ever said that I'm

Andrea Vasquezdesirous of dating a partner who's had losses in their Liv no I said experience like baggage and and Trauma wait but I just told you I don't like that so

Andrea Vasquezwouldn't it like I said how can you not like no I said how can you not if you're if you're going to date someone who's around 25 and hasn't been through stuff like that how can you like be with them

Elissa Cheesemanbe a partner with that person if they've never like they can't help and guide you as well but what does that have to do with anything cuz she was saying that like the life experience isn't on the same like level like they haven't been through the same so she's wondering you

Elissa Cheesemanjust want someone who's like not going to if you will be able to connect or something just like help be a partner through life like what what does what does the what does the baggage have to

Andrea Vasquezdo with somebody's capacity to be a partner like I said like we were she like we were talking about like I think I know what she's ask we were talking about like say you lose someone what do

Andrea VasquezI in in your life right if you've never lost someone at 25 then how can you be a partner be like the best partner for that person how would the 25-year-old be

Libby Spaina good partner for the other might compassion you learn as you go yeah comp you learn as you go you you know you get tried in the fire and then that's where somebody's character is going to show

Libby Spainbecause you don't you don't build character in bad times bad times is when your character actually shows the character you already have this is an

Brian Atlasthis is actually an interesting thought so um I've had this experience with nurses actually and so there's this idea that nurses tend to be more empathetic

Brian Atlasbut nurses have very stressful jobs and they're actually frequently around um severe illness death and that what I've

Brian Atlasactually found having dated couple nurses it's not clear to me if they're more empathetic than their counterparts who are not in the

Brian Atlashealthcare field what do you mean yes well it's like it almost you can almost say that somebody who's

Brian Atlasaround that stuff all the time they're they it actually starts to diminish they get desensitized people getting desensitized I could understand that but

Andrea Vasquezmaybe it's because they they understand that part on a different level and they're already in that like type of wisdom so they already understand that

Brian Atlaslike do you think if there's a girl who's otherwise great great personality attractive but she hasn't been to a

Brian Atlasfuneral that I'm like ah [ __ ] that [ __ ] I'm not I'm not going to talk like I'm really is that no I don't mean it like that I but you're like oh well she hasn't gone through this so like why

Libby Spainwould you date her no I was asking you a question generally like what was the like she was asking if I may I yeah um she was asking how is that younger

Libby Spainperson with fewer life experiences going to be a good partner to the older person how are they going to know how to support that person in these life situations but I mean I really think

Libby Spainthat it'll just come naturally to what your character is it's going to come out like life is that's one thing that you're pretty much guaranteed is you'll have plenty of opportunities to practice I mean but I guess so but I feel like

Andrea Vasquezyou have to go through things to know where you're going to be like you kind of have to you can't just like that's kind of like experiencing life you're going to know more than just reading a

Brian Atlasbook about it you got to go and do it well I don't know I actually if I'm dating if I'm dating a girl I actually want to protect her from as many things

Brian Atlasas possible that could potentially hurt her uh hurt her yeah like I don't want like frankly uh a lot of women in the entertainment industry for example like

Brian Atlasentertainment industry super Cutthroat super toxic a lot of like weird people both men and women and um what I found in terms of like women in the entertainment industry uh which is

Brian Atlasactually why I've never dated like a content creator or anything like I date quote unquote normal girls um when you like for example a lawyer for example if

Brian Atlasa woman's an attorney she typically becomes less of what men are typically attracted to because to be a lawyer you have to be disagreeable and you become

Brian Atlaswell practiced in uh argumentation and I don't want to argue with a girl and you know

Brian Atlasbu expanding Beyond just a lawyer like business women you business the corporate world super Cutthroat super Cutthroat and so you tend to to become a

Brian Atlasbit more masculine and so I guess my hope would be to I guess protect my girl from my woman girl girlfriend my woman from like

Brian Atlasthose sorts of experiences but then how like that was a bunch of word salad sorry guys I know what you mean but I know that was I that

Brian Atlaswas word salad on my part a what a nice response okay so if Sor like if like I want want to make enough money so my girl doesn't have to

Andrea Vasquezwork see that's like that kind of sweet but what is the reason for like um why wouldn't you want someone to have

Brian Atlaslike their own stance on something like why would you want someone not to be argumentative because so I a lot of men and especially with my work so my work's

Brian Atlasvery challenging I'm not even just talking about the podcast most of the stress related to this show is actually stuff that goes on behind the scenes Andrew can actually attest to this recently um we're not going to talk

Brian Atlasabout it but some like just there's always bogus nonsense going on behind the scenes Andrew do you know what I'm talking about yeah just like major major

Brian Atlasheadache stuff and so I'm already out in the world trying to combat with the world through my career through my job I don't want to have to contend with my partner

Brian AtlasI want my partner to be peace to bring me peace and actually like I don't I don't want to like get into debates and argue with girls even though it's kind of like what I do on this podcast with

Brian Atlasif I'm dating somebody I'm never like I'm not arguing I just want it to be chill I don't like to argue any of that stuff but who's conceding then because I feel like someone has to someone's

Andrew Wilsoncompromising that in that situation yeah that's uh that well so I actually will agree with you here and give you an olive branch I do think that there would be a concession and that is submission of the

Andrea Vasquezwoman that's where okay that's yeah that's where I disagree then yeah what's what's wrong with a woman submitting to a man I just don't like I understand like there can be scenarios like there

Andrea Vasquezthere are scenarios like you know intimacy and stuff like that there are scenarios where like that can be a thing but like I don't I don't know why like it wouldn't

Andrea Vasquezbe valued like an opinion on like say like like you said like a a debator on something like like what fruit is like I don't know you can't really debate on

Andrew Wilsonfruit because that's like objective but like something that is subjective Bri but even a thing which is subjective so from from the context that I'm looking

Andrew Wilsonat it at I don't believe that there's any two Consciousness uh which exist Consciousness consciousnesses cons it's a joke kidding trying to lighten the

Andrew Wilsonmood I don't think that there's ever going to be two people who come into contact where one doesn't ultimately end up dominating the other to some degree I I don't even believe that that's possible I don't think that there's ever

Andrew Wilsongoing to be a such thing as true equality between two people ever I don't even think that such a thing is a possibility so if you're in a relationship with another person one

Andrew Wilsonperson is going to be the dominant head why would that person not logically be the person who who is physically stronger and the person who has to go and make the bread and make the

Andrew Wilsonfinancial uh choices for the household that seems to kind of track and follow the protector is going to be the person who ultimately is looked at as the

Andrew Wilsonleader and the leader of the household so why shouldn't the woman submit to him here's what I would be interested in hearing is what would you define as can

Andrea Vasquezcan you let her answer real quick just real quick so I would say like for

Andrea Vasquezthat so that's like that my issue with that is like you don't value my opinion on like you said financial decisions right that's not

Andrea Vasqueztrue but you said like you're the dominant like you're the end all be all so I think yeah well I think you're making um like a conflation it's not

Andrew Wilsonthat so for instance I'm Mar I value my wife's opinion but what if we're having a conflict and I don't agree with her if I say look you know I don't agree I

Andrew Wilsonthink uh right now it's the time for our family to take risk and you don't think it's time for our family to take risk while I value your opinion your input ultimately the decision falls on me to

Andrew Wilsonmake that choice and so I'm going to lead our family towards risk let's say or less risk let's say she says I want to I want want to do something which is more risky to our finances ultimately

Andrew Wilsonthat's that falls on me to make that choice there's only going to ever be one person who is the head whether it's the woman or the man I just think that it seems to be preferable that the man is

Andrea Vasquezthe head women seem to prefer it and Men seem to prefer it so you're saying like if you guys have a disagreement you're the end decision of course that's why I wanted

Libby Spainto know how you define submission I do have a thought I'd like to share but I'd like to hear your definition of it first so I know where we're coming from I would say it would probably

Andrea Vasquezbe like at the end of the day that's like the final like who has the final that's the final thing yeah okay I yeah in that sense real quick I would just say

Andrea Vasquezlike you can think about it like just think about like a platonic relationship though like you and your friend I I understand in this scenario you're not talking about that but like in you and

Andrea Vasquezsomeone you really respect if you want to think about someone you respect and think about it in that type of way I don't understand how you can respect that person and have them always

Andrew Wilsonsubmit to your final decision how can you still respect that person though okay why is it well that's like let me let me kind of give you an easy counter to this I have children I respect my

Andrew Wilsonchildren but they're going to adhere to my word whether I respect them or not um if I think that they're doing something they're [ __ ] up in some way for instance let's say they want to put their hand in their fire I'm not going

Andrew Wilsonto respect them enough to let them do that they're going to respect me instead and they're not going to put their hand in the fire regardless of what they want I don't care what they want they're

Andrew Wilsongoing to do what they're told because it's for their safety and that's that's what's going to happen what's what's wrong what's actually wrong with that what is the problem with me are you

Brian Atlassaying I don't respect them because I won't let them make decisions which are bad for them I I think what she's wait hold on actually let me just Devil's Advocate this yeah but Andrew women aren't

Andrew Wilsonchildren the the thing is though is that the whole night we've been hearing about how women are infantilized and they have to shave their body hair so that they could be more like but that aside we let

Andrew Wilsonthat go for a second the the point principle here is not whether or not women or children I agree that they're not and I don't INF finalize women I think that they are perfectly capable of making decisions and be held to account

Andrew Wilsonfor those decisions but the point still stands that if I see anybody who's [ __ ] up and doing something which is against their their own interest and I'm

Andrew Wilsonresponsible for their interests then it it falls as a duty to me to step in and do something about that and that includes my wife that includes my children that would include my brother my sister anybody who's an extension of

Andrew Wilsonmy family wouldn't it but how do you how trust how do you know that you have it doesn't come down it doesn't come down to trust it comes

Andrew Wilsondown to who can it comes down to who can and so the thing is is that there are those who can and there are those who can't ultimately in a family dynamic men

Andrew Wilsoncan do things women can't do and women can't do very much men can't and that is the truth you may not like that truth but all I would ask you to do to

Andrew Wilsondisprove this is tell me a thing which you think that women are going to generally be better at than men inside of a home setting I'd like to know what that is but I can name for you many

Andrew Wilsonthings men are going to generally be much better at than women give birth so their primary edict the thing which I agree is their primary

Andrew Wilsonfunction well you really got me with that one I know so over here can you can you give me the example can give me the example she gave it a layup yeah so yeah

Andrew WilsonI wanted you to hit you know a home run so to speak yeah well that was quite the home run but anyway back uh back over to you red uh I say that because I don't

Andrew Wilsonremember names it did it's nothing personal um but but red hair can you can you tell me what you think that women are going to be more dominant in in the household than men what they're going to

Andrea Vasquezbe more skilled at better at like like um in an average sense if we're talking about like like in society what averagely they would be maybe excelling

Andrea Vasquezin yeah what are they going to be better at maybe um consoling maybe consoling children word

Andrea Vasquezum like maybe uh I would also like I don't know though because like I feel like there's different like I know both circumstances

Andrea Vasquezwhere like some women are shut down emotionally towards their children and some men aren't so there's like roles reversed in certain well I guess I guess ultimately we can reduce it to do you

Andrew Wilsonthink that women are better at leading households than men that's the question no I I think it no no and so you know it really comes

Andrew Wilsondown to that men are better at leading households and because of that generally women need to submit I got I got to move it on I got to move it on I have a

Libby Spainreally big thing I've beening on okay so basically if you're going to trust the man to have your best interest at M in heart at heart and in mind you better be

Libby Spaindarn sure before you get into that situation all right so don't marry the guy if his character is not the

Libby Spaincharacter that you can know beyond the shadow of a doubt that he would have yes you can give it enough time and you'll see but the other thing I was going to

Libby Spainsay earlier is that actually the scriptures talking about Christianity the scriptures talk about the wife submitting to her husband as the head of the family and and everything right are

Libby Spainyou religious no but I just want I don't think that's going to on well I just wanted to tell her this because this is important this goes to the question she had um about submission and the very

Libby Spainnext scripture that people don't talk about is it talks about being submissive to each other it's talking to the same married couple and the man is supposed

Libby Spainto be selfless give his life for his for his wife and that's how committed he is and the the wife is supposed to give respect to her husband and submit to his final say and then you're supposed to

Libby Spainsubmit to each other so that goes to what your question was what if she you're not supposed to submit to each other in that way yes it's is what the scripture says one another yeah what scripture no no no I'm not going to let

Andrew Wilsonyou back off of this what scripture do you think it says they so I'm going to read you some scripture First Corinthians so yeah hang on I'm still

Libby Spainspeaking hold on I'm I know you're speaking I'm speaking to you can wait until I made my point and then you can correct me just like you ask other people corre you now

Libby Spaintoo you ask other people you can give me the same respect are you supposed to correct men when it comes to theology hey I are you supposed to

Libby Spaincorrect men when it comes to theology speaking right now I'm not are you supposed to correct men when it comes to theology or not we're not in a church are you supposed to corre men when it

Libby Spaincomes to theology speak I am speaking to her I'm speak to until I'm speak speak to you and then you can correct whatever you feel like needs to be corrected no

Libby SpainI'm sorry are you suppos that if they disagree and the the wife feels very strongly in disagreement in effect they should hold off on the

Andrew Wilsondecision that's all [ __ ] I would anything excuse me you're being disrespectful I am being disrespectful you're not on theology you're a woman

Andrew Wilsonsupposedly a Christian stop correcting men on theology I am speaking to this young lady I know what you're speaking to you're being corrected by a man on theology aren't you supposed to be a Christian and be

Libby Spainsilent I would saying him and I'm going to finish my thought and that is that um if if a man is truly doing what the scripture says

Libby Spainthen he is going to okay yeah he is going to listen to his wife's opinion he's going to listen to Her counsel and he's going to take that into to heart

Libby Spainand in effect they shouldn't have a decision be made it shouldn't be a dogmatic you're doing this it doesn't matter how you feel that's not the way it goes oh well let's see if we can't correct some of this nonsense that she

Andrew Wilsonjust tried to fill your head with if she ever stops the woman prattle of the Protestant let's see if we can correct some of this oh jeez Andrew first let's

Andrew Wilsonstart with why submit yourself to your own husbands as unto the Lord who is the Lord who is the

Andrew WilsonLord oh now suddenly cat's got your tongue you want to be corrected by man it's your turn to talk go ahead yeah so answer my question why submit yourself unto your own husband as unto the Lord

Andrew Wilsonwhat does that mean go ahead and explain to everybody explain to everybody your your views move that submit yourselves unto your husband as unto the Lord what does that

Andrew Wilsonmean you don't know suddenly cats got you do you don't know suddenly no I I know what I think I'm letting you I'm wives submit yourselves unto your husbands as you would unto the Lord what does that

Andrew Wilsonmean you don't know I do know I'm not speaking then tell me what it mean you're not speaking to me letting youly when suddenly when your Christian values are put up to correction from a man

Andrew Wilsonsuddenly suddenly cat's got your tongue she just doesn't feel like she needs to explain Andrew can you just go like that no I can't there's so many flakes back to this back to this can you

Dob Jonesexplain what that means look look at all these flakes explain don't you dare Andrew oh my God he's an animal it's not now it's on your mic it was on your Andre just you

Andrew Wilsonexplain instead of asking I don't have to do what he says so silly what does that mean why yourself unto your husband as unto the Lord the problem is is that you just got what's called a false

Andrew Wilsongospel it's why women shouldn't teach ever she submission she's teaching Mutual submission there's nothing about Mutual

Andrew Wilsonsubmission wiv submit yourself unto your husband say unto the Lord who is the Lord that is God you're supposed to submit yourself unto your husbands as you would unto God this is not mutual

Brian Atlassubmission this is UN you should have let me you let me move it on you should have let me move it on I told you so I got to move it on I got to move

Brian Atlasit on um okay so Brian okay please going to uh you we're we get I'll get into your notes I know

Brian Atlasyou've had a lot to say uh Serena we'll finally wrap this up uh do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years or wa oh my God never

Serenashe never got to answer that 2 hours later we're still wait how's it why is that funny she didn't answer she didn't get the answer I know hey I got a good memory okay I'll answer straight to the

Serenapoint 10 years sure 41 kind of reaching it 51 not so much metabolism SL down ankles yes so wait 31 yes better looking

Libby Spainthan now at 21 41 maybe maybe maybe okay and then what about you better looking uh better looking no no of course not but I'll still be beautiful sure yeah that's not what

Andrew Wilsonwe're saying yeah but no not better looking no you can still be look good looking you know yeah uh and then uh I would like I would like an answer to my question or

Andrew Wilsonyou just say I refuse to answer the question what do you think wives submit yourself under your own husband she she just said she's not speaking to it so I have to move it on I'm not going to talk to you anymore

Libby Spainbecause myy I said what I said I'm going toeach a false heretical doct you can say what you think you can't you can't get me well I think you're a heretic and I want you to

Andrew Wilsonanswer to my question stop being a heretic and answer heretic accusation pretty hair though you do woman creatures you know

Brian Atlasgay marriage all this stuff I would like you whatever on the whatever show she never answered the question either so uh question though uh were you better

Brian Atlaslooking at 44 versus 54 no so better looking when I think I was better looking younger got it but I think I peaked it around 30 we did it boys we made it did I'm just going to skip oh

Brian Atlasdid I time permitting we'll talk about I guess why it matters because you wanted to know that but um I'll give you the quick rundown Nick pull up the hypergamy chart super quick I'll I'm going to do

Brian Atlasthe 30 second version of this here is the 32nd version okay this is H and so on the left is whom men would happily partner with on the right whom

Brian Atlaswomen would happily partner with so what ends up happening if you have a cohort of women who overestimate their physical attractiveness and their attractiveness

Brian Atlasin general in the dating Marketplace they're going to be chasing after men who are not to be mean to these women who are quite frankly out of their league and so what ends up happening especially with the hookup culture that

Brian Atlaswe have is women have sexual access to who are out of their league but you can't really say the same thing about men like if a man steps to a woman who's outside of his League he's going to get an instant

Brian Atlasrejection like if I step to a really attractive girl I'm getting an instant rejection she's not going to consider me for set even a casual

Brian Atlashookup whereas men if we encounter a woman who we deem as and objectively let's say objectively is deemed as less

Brian Atlasattractive than us we'll still consider her for short-term uh sex right so what ends up happening is women of a certain attractiveness level can get sex from men outside of their league what ends up

Brian Atlashappening is women will think that because I can get sex from this guy he's x amount of attractive that's now my league then but they'll never get commitment this is where women just get

Brian Atlascontinuously in these situationships they never get commitment all these [ __ ] boys they start to actually resent men um and so because of that they'll actually look at men who are on their

Brian Atlaslevel or in their league as settling or below them even though those are the men who are probably most best most likely to treat them well and give them commitment and monogamy in addition to

Brian Atlasthat one of the the major factors and differentials here is that so as a guy if I can sleep with a girl there's a very high probability that I

Brian Atlascan get that girl into a long-term Rel monogamous relationship it's not clear to me if as a woman just because you can [ __ ] a guy you can get him into a relationship so that's a major

Brian Atlasdifferential there I'm not saying like look some women engage in hookups and they have no intention of getting of getting into a relationship but the big thing here is again I'll just state it one more time so as a guy if I can sleep

Brian Atlaswith a girl very good chance I could get her into a relationship but if you sleep with a guy it's not a guarantee that you can get him into a relationship and so for this reason it's actually

Brian Atlasmore important that women have a reasonable self assessments of their own physical attractiveness in the dating Marketplace otherwise they're going to be chasing men who are quite frankly out of their league and they're going to end

Brian Atlasup just either you know jumping from guy to guy to guy never getting commitment constantly stuck in situationships and then they're going to eventually you know maybe down the road after they've had their fun in their 20s they'll find

Brian Atlasa guy in their 30 and then settle with him and it's probably not going to be a great relationship because she thinks she's settling she could have done better she's going to be pining over uh one or two or three guys in her 20s who are

Andrea Vasquezmuch more attractive [ __ ] her better whatever it may be so that's why it matters can I respond sure so I would say that it would be more about your

Andrea Vasquezvalues when you equal up to a person because wouldn't it have to do with like if this person values this we don't equal we don't agree on the same values

Andrea Vasquezthen we're not going to we're not going to match up so if I if I don't value something that ends up being a long-term thing then I'm not going to

Andrea Vasquezend up in that place with that person I think it has wouldn't it have to do with values at the end of the day so you're [ __ ] men that don't have you don't have the same values or whatever yeah you're if you're not in

Serenathe same yeah if you don't have the same values but you know they don't have the same values as you it's not going to work out or maybe have people have like the wrong intentions going into it or think they may have the same intentions

Brian Atlasbut after certain encounters maybe it just changes have you guys okay have you guys had the experience of you sleep with a guy and you really want him to be your boyfriend but he says something

Brian Atlasalong the lines of I'm just not uh I'm not ready yet or he strings you along for a couple months continues to [ __ ] you and then it just kind of eventually Fizzles away into nothing

Brian Atlashave you had that experience so what do you think that is what does that attribute to then that that's you having sex with men who aren't willing to commit to you so what would that be

Brian Atlasthough like what that's that wouldn't that be their values like your your values you're they're not equaling up right but what I'm saying is is that what that could be what that could be is

Brian Atlasthat you're sleeping with men who are out of your league because you're attracted to them I think that's just one Theory I don't know if that's that's

Brian Atlasnot that's not like a pro okay who's more I mean I'll just ask you the question um if a guy can sleep with girl

Brian Atlasdo you think he has an easier time getting her in a relationship than the

Andrea Vasquezreverse I would say that's probably true cuz a lot of women look more for relationships to be begin with so I think that's true in that sense um I think men especially when they're

Andrea Vasquezyounger aren't necessarily looking for a relationship like that so I'd say yeah

Andrea Vasquezokay I think it just would be it just would depend on what both of the values are like how they equal up totally

Brian Atlasfollowing does anyone else want to respond to that I'm not sure I'm following on the values thing okay so what what's the like argument I

Brian Atlasguess like I don't think it's necessarily about here I'll let me ask it a different way if you sleep with a guy how confident how confident are you that you can get him into a relationship

Brian Atlasif you sleep with him uh within the first three

Andrea Vasquezdates I I don't even know I I wouldn't say any anything type of confidence I would I don't even know how to answer that question because I think it's more like it's it's like deeper than that

Andrea Vasquezright because then you don't know all right depends on how much we know each other we don't know like what our values are how they align like I don't know how to answer that

Brian Atlasquestion okay well so you're looking at it from the point of view of would I date them or or would they date

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