She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #177

Date: 2024-07-10

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDeadbeat (Christine)>

AAmanda (DT177)>

AAndrea Vasquez >

EElissa Cheeseman >

SSerena (DT177)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01Libby Spain(guest)

SPEAKER_02Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_03Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_04Serena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrea Vasquez(guest)

SPEAKER_07Dob Jones(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madzilla(guest)

SPEAKER_11Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_12Elissa Cheeseman(guest)

SPEAKER_14Deadbeat (Christine)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDob Jones introduces herself as "Dolphin Girl" and explains dolphin communication is "telepathic holographic picture talking."

“my name is DOB Jones and also known as dolphin girl and I'm an animal activist I do Dolphin Research in the cognitive Sciences of dolphin communication”

QuoteAlien reveals she is dating a tree near her house.

“there's no real story there's just a tree down the street from my house I think he's beautiful and I'm dating”

QuoteDeadbeat estimates she received approximately $800,000 in gifts/cash from men over 8 years of stripping.

“maybe like 800,000 over time I would say”

QuoteBrian asks Dob Jones if she has had "carnal knowledge of a dolphin."

“this is a dating podcast have you had carnal knowledge of a dolphin”

OtherDeadbeat tells story of Waka Flocka Flame's team dragging her into his section at a strip club; she was defended by his crew and left with ~$2,500.

“this is Waka Flocka and his team... he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and Drug me into the section”

OtherDeadbeat tells traumatic story of a customer masturbating on her feet during a back-room private dance.

“I open my eyes and this guy is straight up on my feet... he was just straight up jerking off on my feet”

QuoteBrian mentions Big Labia Matter (BLM) nonprofit — 10,000 labiaplasties per year in the US.

“check out my nonprofit movement big labia matter BLM for short it's really the pressing issue of our time 10,000 labia plasties a year just tragedy”

QuoteAmanda declines the self-rating question with "peace and love" and claims "we're all tens."

“I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of Consciousness into the sphere... with peace and love”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women who self-rate 8-10/10 are delusional due to constant simping/gas-lighting in their DMs; cites "female narcissism" as a byproduct of male attention asymmetry.

“this is why you end up having a room full of women who are you know... and they go I'm a 10”

ControversyExtended heated debate between Andrew Wilson and Andrea Vasquez / guests about whether male preference for clean-shaven women is correlated with pedophilic tendencies.

“if a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to be shaved down there... is that of the nature of being a PDF file... it is a... yes”

QuoteAlien discloses race-play degradation kink — wants white men to use racial slurs but only if they seem genuinely uncomfortable doing so.

“I like degration so like... I just want them to degrade me in a racial way I know it's like it's more trauma response type of thing”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas opens show, references Santa Barbara Lake Fire (12% contained). Guests introduce themselves: Madzilla (model/artist, LA), Alien (warehouse worker/OnlyFans, AZ), Deadbeat/Christine (stripper/OnlyFans, Riverside), Amanda (sculptor, NJ), Andrea Vasquez (jiu-jitsu coach, NJ), Dob Jones (dolphin researcher), Elissa Cheeseman (fashion grad, PA), Serena (nursing student, SB), Libby Spain (entrepreneur, TX), Andrew Wilson (debate host, remote).

Madzilla / BigMilkGang Bitcoin Donation

During intro Brian references a $100K Bitcoin donation from BigMilkGang for Madzilla.

Dolphin Communication and Telepathy Debate

Dob Jones explains her research on interspecies telepathic communication with dolphins. Andrew Wilson challenges her on scientific evidence, citing Amazing Randi's $1M prize for demonstrating psychic abilities (zero successful claimants). Dob cites a 1997 newspaper article where she called dolphins in front of a reporter. Debate covers faith vs. evidence, military ESP programs, and the nature of consciousness.

Relationship Status and Dating Histories

Brian goes around the table asking relationship status, roster size, and longest relationships. Notable: Deadbeat had 4 men paying her bills simultaneously; estimates ~$800K in gifts over 8 years. Amanda is in a 4-year age-gap relationship started on DMT. Alien is casually talking to someone for 1-2 weeks. Madzilla has a 5-year-old son from a brief hookup.

Strip Club Stories (Deadbeat)

Deadbeat shares two strip club stories: (1) positive celebrity encounter with Waka Flocka Flame — invited into his section, left with ~$2,500; (2) traumatic back-room story where a construction worker masturbated on her feet during a paid private dance. Andrew Wilson challenges the boundary-drawing logic; discussion of strip club etiquette and parasocial relationships between dancers and customers.

Trump vs. Biden: Who Would You Sleep With?

Hypothetical question: Trump or Biden? Panel answers. Deadbeat: Biden (soft old man energy). Elissa: declined (has boyfriend). Several pick Biden. Andrew criticizes everyone for missing the obvious answer (Biden would forget about it in 5 minutes).

Sassy Men Apocalypse

Deadbeat discusses the "sassy men apocalypse" — attractive mid-tier men becoming increasingly sassy and expecting to be chased. Panel discussion on gender dynamics in modern dating.

Self-Rating Round (Wisdom of the Crowd)

Andrew Wilson proposes "wisdom of the crowd" framing — asking guests what 1,000 men would rate them on a 1-10 scale. Amanda refuses to engage ("we're all tens / peace and love"). Most women rate themselves 8-10. Andrew rates himself 4. Dob Jones: 6.5. Libby Spain: 5. Extended meta-debate about female delusion, social media gas-lighting, and the epistemics of self-assessment.

Do Women Get More Attractive With Age?

Brian asks guests whether they will be more physically attractive at 35, 45, 55 vs. now. Most younger guests say yes; Dob Jones (55) says she would have been more attractive at 45 (pre-stress). Andrew argues all-else-equal, women peak young. Libby Spain invokes "law of diminishing returns." Discussion of Botox, societal standards, male vs. female aging.

Age-Gap Relationships and Social Stigma

Discussion of whether society normalizes old men dating young women in film (James Bond examples debated; Andrew asks Dob to name a movie where age-gap is promoted as good). Dob cites Hugh Hefner. Andrew argues men who date younger get called "PDF files" while women who date younger men are called "cougar" — and that the stigma on men is actually greater.

Female Condom Demo

Brian produces a female condom and passes it around. Panel reactions vary — Alien says she used one and had to get Plan B when it shifted. Amanda immediately leaves. General amusement and awkwardness.

Feminist Identity and Female Oppression Debate

Extended segment asking guests if they identify as feminist. Definitions debated (Andrew: "rejection of patriarchy"; others disagree). Discussion of whether women in the US are oppressed. Body hair, shaving preferences and pedophilia correlation debated at length. Bear vs. man in the woods poll conducted.

Race Play / Degradation Kink (Alien)

Alien discloses she is into race-play degradation with white men — but only with men who are visibly uncomfortable saying racial slurs, not ones who are eager. Traces the kink to a childhood racial incident. Andrea shares that her ex-boyfriend later revealed a financial degradation fetish.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Most women choose bear. Brian offers $100K challenge to any woman who will spend an hour in a 10x10 room with a black bear. Alien volunteers. Percentage of men who would attack estimated by women: ranging from 10-20% to 50%.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonreferring to the strip club that's different we're if we're talking about dating well how's that different I mean you're it's the same [ __ ] right you're selling them the illusion that you're into them that you like them selling them the

Andrew Wilsonsame illusion right yeah in the strip club they know it's illusion they know it's not real but if you're outside do they why do we kind of B in the assumption that they know these things

Andrew Wilsonthey that that men can't be prayed on by women inside of these clubs clearly they they very clearly can not all men who go into these clubs even though they can consent because they're of age have all their faculties they seem to be taking

Andrew Wilsonadvantage of plenty if they're getting taken advantage of it's cuz they want to be taken advantage of oh well then I guess if you're getting taken advantage of it's because you want to get taken

Brian Atlasadvantage of facts manipulation is real facts okay moving on would would we say the same thing so like wait if you're getting that's

Brian Atlasactually a good point Andrew raises so if you are getting taken advantage of it's because you want to be taken advantage of what about like a guy who lies to a girl about his uh long-term

Brian Atlasintentions in order to get her into bed so yeah uh the girl she only wants to have sex with like a long-term boyfriend and he's like baby I love you I want to be with you they have sex and then he never talks to her again I think that

Madzillahappens every single day it does yeah it happens a lot that happens it's wrong but that either means the coochie or the dick was trash either way that's what it means if you guys [ __ ] and you never [ __ ] again

Elissa Cheesemansomething is wrong well but he could also just be like trash if he just like wants to bang but it's like lying that's true too but most of time if you just wanting to

Brian Atlashook up hook thing thing about what well Andrew said if uh if you get taken advant advantage of it's because you wanted to be to an

Andrew Wilsonextent is that the same case if a girl gets tricked in that way think I mean yeah if you want the d you want the d because she wanted it she wanted to be taken advantage of that's a logical extension right I don't think it's

Andrew Wilsonthat's why that's that's why these kinds of like slogan earings by people who cope because theyve engaged in tion it's a cope right they're coping about the engagement of prostitution but when you take it to its logical extension you

Andrew Wilsonfind out well wait a second uh when men are taking advantage of them they seem to have a completely different Outlook than when they so they go oh well you know men going into strip clubs ah they

Andrew Wilsonknow they're being taken advantage of well no they don't all know

Deadbeat (Christine)that true that they just know that we got to back up we got to back up a teeny bit when somebody comes to the strip club they're looking to party and have a good time and when and in the strip club that's like bottle service and having a

Deadbeat (Christine)bunch of beautiful women about around them right if you want the guy that's getting away from his wife that just wants to sit there and maybe get a couple dances you know like he's coming there for a reason and he knows it's going to cost him money so it's not

Andrew Wilsonreally taking advantage of it's two different Bush do you know what the concept of a parasocial relationship is no no the concept of a parasocial relationship you can be fooled into

Andrew Wilsonbelieving an illusion and this women and men are both capable of believing an illusion in this case the illusion is the girlfriend experience or the woman who's really into you clearly when you get paid money

Andrew Wilsonto strip you're not going to pretend that you hate the guy that's not what you're doing you're pretending that you're into him that you think he's great that you think he's fantastic this makes you in turn more money now we're speaking in generalities I'm sure that

Andrew Wilsonyou can point out some sicko who wants you to treat him like [ __ ] but in enal you're going to act like you're really into the men that you are performing the service for because that in turn is

Andrew Wilsongoing to make you a lot more money right to to kind of sit there and uh and pretend that some of those men don't involve themselves in some kind of parasocial relationship or believe that the experience is real or that you

Andrew Wilsonreally like them or something like that it's [ __ ] that that actually isn't even possible there has to be at least some of them that do believe that that's true there is some I don't know they believe and I don't care I'm just doing

Andrew Wilsonmy job it's their you don't care you'll take advantage of them one way or the other cuz you're doing your job that's why feel bad when you're like oh this guy took advantage of me I'm like good that's called come up they're going to a place of business paying money for a

Elissa Cheesemanservice like very knowingly very willingly like they're they know what a strip club is most men most people know what strip clubs are and they understand what they're getting into when they walk in

Libby Spainthere I'm sure not everybody does to that full extent we can't hear he's gone now I feel like he's gone I feel like a a woman that's investing in a

Libby Spainrelationship based on trust of the guy and thinking that he's legitimate when he says a certain thing I I feel like that's completely different than a cash

Libby Spaintransaction two different things you can't compare them or act like the same Ian you can compare them you know there's people that have all sorts of vulnerabilities and they're in a different place and mentally maybe

Libby Spainthey've just lost somebody maybe they've gone through a divorce or whatever um maybe they're just very naive and that

Libby Spainhappens with females as well and I don't think praying upon somebody and lying to them deliberately is ever a good thing also so so let's uh let's back up real

Andrew Wilsonquick um to what you were saying earlier you said clearly most men know I think that you're right I think that probably most men who go into a strip club understand that it's a fantasy based

Andrew Wilsonexperience but remember what she said I don't give a [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] if they don't think it is I'm there to do a job I'm there to make money right she doesn't care if there's men who come in there and don't believe that they don't

Andrew Wilsonknow that or they fall for the parasocial aspect of this thing she doesn't give a [ __ ] I mean what is she in turn so hang on she said it those were her words did say that and I believe that can you repeat her words

Andrew Wilsonfor me can you repeat them so I know that you heard them oh she doesn't give a [ __ ] if they come there she doesn't give a [ __ ] yeah she doesn't give a [ __ ] so the thing is why why in turn should

Andrew Wilsonmen give a [ __ ] if women are taken advantage of if women fall for the parasocial experience if because I I assume that most women believe that most men are just looking to score they're

Andrew Wilsonjust looking to get some they're just looking to hit and run right there's I assume that and so since I make that assumption any of them that do that shouldn't I just go well you know I

Elissa Cheesemanguess you shouldn't have for it well no because you're comparing like a business and a service to a relationship and they're just not you're they're not the same what the only the only difference

Andrew Wilsonis the money right there's no real there's no there's no real somebody in a regular environment you're no no why why is it why is it that when you make an analogy that people don't seem to

Andrew Wilsonunderstand that if I say apples and oranges are different I'm still comparing fruit so while I'm comparing two different situations the logic is still the same you strippers take advantage of men there's no doubt that they do escorts do

Andrew Wilsonthe same thing they take advantage of men all the time there's no doubt that that's true so if that is true if you have three sugar daddies who are taking care of your bills and they all know each other people that need help we're

Andrew Wilsontherapists we're not taking advantage of people who need therapist you got them you got them on the whole couch and you're going to make sure that they get their right therapy and it's just going to cost them a lot of money right you're you're there for them it's a public

Deadbeat (Christine)surface cheating on your wife or your girlfriend what's your job dude because I want to know like I'm a robotics mechanic what's your job oh I work at

Andrew WilsonAmazon what's what's your job M tree dator huh okay wait can we go back to the topic but I wanted to know what's your job Mrs tree dat I'm sorry I'm sorry Mrs tree dator what's your job I'm

Aliena robotics mechanic what's your job she had a question related to what your job I had a question for her she asked me one I answered I'm a robotics mechanic what's your job I work at the I said I

Alienwork at a [ __ ] Warehouse so yeah [ __ ] Warehouse I where were you going with that okay anyway so because you want to sit here and act [ __ ] smart I got you anyway I want to know like do

Alienyour employees or whoever let you talk to do they think that you're taking advantage of them as well for like what you do or like no okay so why would that

Andrew Wilsonbe the same for a [ __ ] stripper that's their job are you stupid you what you just said is incoherent and I don't understand incoherent it's a job so wait Tripper is

Andrew Wilsona job you're hang on so are you saying that people can't fleece their customers by giving their customer an illusion and taking advantage of it saying however if they know hang you have toal you have to

Andrew Wilsoncalm down enough to let me get the question out before you wait hold on but you've been like yelling at everybody else well okay I want you to do me a favor real quick count how many people are in

Andrew Wilsonthe the room and count how many of me there are go ahead she doesn't need to do that because you definitely have been talking over a couple nobody's even talking to you we're having

Elissa Cheesemanthis I don't mind to listen to your I know why I don't know why can involve myself in anything I want to it's a podcast okay and you can you can also involve yourself by not

Andrew Wilsonspeaking while until we're done with the exchange remember how you were having exchanges with other people and I didn't get in the mix remember how I gave you that kind of respect you can show it

Andrew Wilsonback yeah I don't think you can but try try anyway back to the exchange we just before we were so rudely interrupted by I don't know this brought

Andrew Wilsonover here perhaps you can explain to me if there's that many people in the room and I'm having various arguments with those people uh obviously I'm going to have to

Alieninsert and interject far more than those people are for me it's easy because there's one of me and there's many of you not all of us though we all have to interject if we don't like and you all have been interjecting what's your point

Andrew WilsonI wasy my point is is that if there's one of me and nine of you clearly in order to get some speaking time back to the top going to make so you need to allow him to finish asking the question go ahead Andrew ask the question then

Andrew Wilsonshe can respond well so so the question is is I don't know in this case you're creating a false dialectic I was looking for a logical extension I was saying based on on your logic the extension of the logic should apply to these other

Andrew Wilsonsituations that's a logical extension the false dialectic which you propose though is saying because employers can mistreat their employees that that is in some way similar to selling a fantasy

Alienexperience and it's clearly not are you talking to me or dead beat yeah I'm talking to you okay so first of all they're a shripper right so if they're a shripper I don't go to a shrip

Alienclub thinking oh I'm going to make this girl my my wife like that's your [ __ ] up honestly okay you know a lot of people

Deadbeat (Christine)dunk most I would say 99 99% of customers do not go in thinking they're going to get a relationship thinking they're going to get any type of

Deadbeat (Christine)long-term anything they're going in there to have an experience to party and to have fun and the ones that are going in there to talk about their wife because they're annoyed are paying for a girl to sit there and just listen to

Deadbeat (Christine)them Gap and they know that they're like thank you for sitting here and listening to me to talk about my dead be ass life I'm going to give you $500 and that and and they are the ones that are making that that conscious decision yeah but

Libby Spainthat's not what the dispute is do you know what the dispute we're having even is he was saying if if I remember it correctly Andrew he was saying don't you

Libby Spainthink that that's turn about as fair play if a guy tells a girl that he has longer relationship in intentions just to get her into bed that that the one

Deadbeat (Christine)should make the other one okay or balance each other out so a girls getting bread is the same you're trying to say is it the equivalent of a guy selling the idea of a long-term

Andrew Wilsonrelationship now what I'm saying is that if you have the expectation that most men who walk into a strip club are going to understand they're being sold a fantasy experience I can agree with that but what I'm saying is that there's

Andrew Wilsonclearly going to be some who do not think that it's just a Pure Fantasy experience who are being taken advantage of I agree my counter yeah sure so my

Andrew Wilsoncounter to this is just to say well wait a second I also think that there's women who are being sold a fantasy experience from men and men are essentially trying to get the thing that they want out of

Deadbeat (Christine)those women just like you're trying to get money out of men and so if that is the case it seems that turnabout is fair play yeah honestly saying same same [ __ ] I agree with you you know there's a girl

Deadbeat (Christine)doing it to a guy there's a guy doing it a girl different settings though guys are doing it at nightclub in regular nightclubs and they're trying to like take a girl agree you agree with me so

Deadbeat (Christine)so the point of the contention is Andrew's right right honestly I was trying to have a conversation with you this entire time and other people kept like inter no that's fair they were they were interjecting I thought we were

Brian Atlashaving a good I was having my moment y'all it was a beautiful moment and so moving things on here a little bit you also I think this was a tweet of yours mentioned something about a sassy man

Deadbeat (Christine)sassy men apoc Apocalypse what is that what's that I think men do want okay okay okay okay goodlooking men semi-attractive I'm talking about on a

Deadbeat (Christine)scale 1 to 10 they're like six or sevens want to be chased all right they want to be chased they want to be actively you know I love them as they should men want to be cradle they want to be loved

Deadbeat (Christine)they've been abused for so many years they're getting sensitive so now they're like you know what show me show me that you love me so they want to they want girls to chase them and in that process

Deadbeat (Christine)of girls chasing them they're extremely sassy and they give attitude and they match women's energy often drizzle

Deadbeat (Christine)drizzle drizzle drizzle what is that yeah sassy man apocalypse I love it as you should I know you want to be love baby I think girls should pay for first dates in all dates okay I have paid for

Deadbeat (Christine)quite a few first dates dat if I'm not going to smash you out and if I see nothing going I'll pay for the first date so because I'll never see you wait you smash guys out or They smash you

Deadbeat (Christine)out depends depends on who it is depends how masculine they are but yeah I'm usually the one getting smashed out

Deadbeat (Christine)what what the hell sorry y' e notate

Brian Atlasokay um good times good times uh any girls here had this this experience you're encountering sass sassy men who

Deadbeat (Christine)kind of want to be pursued and and chased by you or girls I guess yeah yeah I think we have one on the TV right now is Andrew I think he's a little sassy

Andrew Wilsonsassy man he's sassy he likes to match the energy of the person he's talking to whether it be a woman or a man okay that's true yeah that is that is a true and fair assessment generally if you're respectful and we have a good respectful

Andrew Wilsonback and forth I like to have those and if you're a total [ __ ] then I'll be a total [ __ ] but you're a cutie though think that that's totally reasonable I think that's totally reasonable I think that's you got good you got good you got

Deadbeat (Christine)good um like arguments and you come with substance and I really do appreciate that she she'll give you a discount great deat she'll discount $5 off a

Andrew Wilsonthatp dam and your wife get a couple dance okay well you know I think with an alpha man I just want to you know like even if even if I were to break my

Andrew WilsonOrthodox vows and do something as sick as that why the [ __ ] do you think I would ever do it with you where's the delusion come in where like if you can pay for that what makes you think I'd

Deadbeat (Christine)pay for that with you honestly that statement alone I would say that you need to go to the strip club and pick somebody that you are attracted to you like you need that lap dance because if

Andrew Wilsonyou're that hostile over a hot girl offering you and your wife a lap dance and there's something wrong you know I've been told on this show a ton of times that hot is subjective it's a subjective metric not objective I think

Brian AtlasI'm when you say when you say hot this is just a subjective term yeah I think it's also subjective right you know what this would be a perfect oh no I unpinned

Brian Atlasthe Stiffler damn it if we're doing the ratings I I want I want to do something a little different on the ratings I unfortunately we unpinned stiffler's comment but typically we have uh so

Brian Atlasthere we have a question that comes in from a guy named Stiffler he says ask everyone to rate their looks looks on the scale of 1 to 10 Camp pick seven Andrew what is the differential that you'd like to if you guys if you guys

Andrew Wilsonwill humor me tonight I've been thinking about this and I'm I'm going to be totally honest with you just so that you can understand my mindset uh women lie about this constant stly and we catch them and lie after lie after lie on this

Brian Atlasthey just and I know why it's not even because they're being malicious it's because they don't want to hurt people's feelings okay like that's the honest reason that they we get the ratings before should we get the ratings before or you want to hang on hang on hang on

Andrew WilsonNoe this this feeds into the question I just want to give a precursor so you understand my mindset there is such a thing as something called the wisdom of the crowd and what this means is if you had a state fair and there was a cow in

Andrew Wilsonthe fair almost everybody who get yes the weight of the cow would be wrong but if you average their answers you would be really close to the actual weight of

Andrew Wilsonthe cow the wisdom of the crowd so what I'd like to do is ask you if 1,000 men were raiding you what do you think they would average you

Andrew Wilsonat going around the table but you said you can't say seven was that what you said you can't say seven why it's 1,000 men are rating you and we're taking the average of all of their answers what do you think that it would end up the

Andrew Wilsonnumber would be well why can't you say seven though that's I'm just curious about that it's a rest in because it's a safe number okay well then pece eight eight you think that a thousand men who

Andrew Wilsonraided you would consider you to be at the top tier of the most beautiful women in the world that's what I wouldit let's get why we and we ought to get the whole answer we ought to get everybody first my answer damn it

Amanda10 nine um I respect ful decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of Consciousness into the

Amandasphere so with peace and love what the [ __ ] peace and love respect with peace and love I decline uh why because I do not want to focus my point of

AmandaConsciousness into this sphere into this sphere the sphere into this sphere into what is this sphere this sphere this point of conversation what do you mean

Amandaand thetic Essence it lies within I don't feel like it what does I'm sorry you're going to have to translate DT is wearing off just let her Brian say what she want I say this with peace and love

Andrew Wilsonand all due respect but I don't answer stupid questions well actually this this I could say that the self- rating perhaps you could make an argument it's a stupid

Andrew Wilsonquestion but it seems like if you were to ask what if 1,000 people were giving their subjective metric on how how you looked how they thought your beauty standard was that actually doesn't seem

Andrew Wilsonlike a stupid question to me that seems like a wise question because we're looking at the wisdom of the crowd this is the point of the mental exercise well I believe everything in existence has a

Andrew Wilsonpurpose but I feel this lacks a lot of value and this ah theology purpose I love purpose I loveology I love the idea

Andrew Wilsonof a TS what is your purpose on a dating podcast do you think to bring in A New Perspective uh and and could this perspective also be to answer the question questions which you're asked

Madzillaand here's the thing I'll be totally fair and I'll answer the same question I asked you is this B looks or is this just like off a photo of you like a picture or is it like a they know what your

Andrew Wilsonpersonality is no they don't know anything about your personality it's just a pure beauty can I say something though so my thing about that like my response of that is

Andrea Vasquezlike I think it's subjective too like someone could see me as like a 10 and then someone else could see me as like a and I get you want to like average it out but the thing is

Andrea Vasquezlike someone F someone can Factor certain things into looks on average so I feel like you can't really like subjectively like be like cuz cuz

Andrew Wilsoneveryone thinks Brad Pit is hot right I don't totally agree with so I'm toally that's a good point I'm going to Grant all of this right you're totally

Andrew Wilsoncorrect it's complet subjective So based on what you think the subjective metric of 1,000 people who were rating you at a county fair you're in a beauty pageant you're in a beauty pageant and the way

Andrew Wilsonthat they determine who the beauty queen is is they use the numbers 1 to 10 and you are estimating what 1,000 men would

Andrew Wilsonsay you would be based on their General opinion so you mean like on average like socially subjective yeah just answer the [ __ ]

Andrea Vasquezquestion thank you I don't know if I can answer the question though like what does that even mean out of 10 thousand guys looking in one out of 10 what are they going to put you well here's the thing I would have said seven oh my God why can't

Madzillasay listen I de one out of 10 go off queen go off one out of 10 what do you give I gave myself eight say seven anyway L I was going to say seven but why can't we

Madzillasay so just say six if that's what you want to say then go eight 10 come on just say it and then let's keep it going Jesus Christ six or eight well how does this you guys want to get so deep with every [ __ ] question just answer the

Madzilla[ __ ] question yeah but how does this not like engage more of the conversation though because look how many people are sitting at the table there's so many other things we could talk about besides this like this question is so

Andrea Vasquezsimple well I don't want to answer it and like I don't want to how am I supposed to answer it if I don't know how to answer it like it's not you're complicating itnal

Deadbeat (Christine)you there

Andrew Wilsonyou so yes I I agree with you it's okay to get hang on hang on stop the side combo for a second stop the side combo for a second it's perfectly okay for you

Andrew Wilsonto have a clarifying question but I did clarify so it's it you're you're in a beauty pageant there a th men there it's the rating system of 1 to 10 they all are holding up they little signs that

Andrew Wilsonsay 1 through 10 right what do you think the average of that would be she said 10 well just her from yeah she did

Brian Atlasanswer though she I didn't he guys guys guys let her answer go ahead say sorry we didn't 10 okay I heard that hold on but oh God

Brian Atlaswe're coming back to you now here comes the butt allow me to have a bit of a back and forth on this so go ahead what well has your answer have you reconsidered answering okay uh well hold

Amandaon so now I'm gonna have a meta conversation with you so why is it stupid why is it stupid yeah why is it a stupid question because I feel like it's just on a surface level like there's no deeper you don't you don't care you're

Amandanot superficial in any capacity no I'm me saying the question you're too far from the microphone into the mic please I'm sorry I didn't mean to do that but I'm saying in general the question itself it's very service level and I

Amandadon't think it takes into the account I'm sorry to like have this conversation again because like I know have conversation go ahead have the conversation but I feel like it's such on a surface level where I hear this a

Amandalot on your podcast where you talk about the rating system and everything and I feel it discounts and excludes the fact that everyone is unique in their own

Amandacomplex way and I feel every person say out of that 1,000 people are going to be so different on that they're going to rate you in such a different way because each of those people are so complex

Andrew Wilsonincluding you we totally agree it's like an you're saying right yeah yeah so so listen I'm going to repeat back to you what you're saying so that you understand that I know exactly what you're talking about you're saying it's a superficial conversation the

Andrew Wilsonreason that it is is because across the board these ratings are going to be so different right that uh it's just going to it's going to seem bizarre perhaps that is true however that's why we're

Andrew Wilsonasking what do you think the average would be out of all thousand of these people now before you say but that's superficial remember that anytime your boyfriend husband Etc ever has asked you what you want for breakfast that's a

Amandasuperficial question as well and you answer that one so maybe you can answer this one well for this one I just think with in terms of even say the podcast I've seen your podcast a few times in

Madzillaall honesty I feel like you've been fractl on with this question over and over and over again it's overplayed but why come on the podcast if you don't want to ask these type of questions podcast is called whatever so can't we talk about whatever that's a whatever question aren't you open to debate

Madzillathough like isn't that the point of being on here though no that's true but I'm curious why would you come on this type of podcast if you don't if you're not like thinking that you're going to answer those type of questions I already knew I was going to answer this one oh

Amandaokay I had this see I didn't really look too much wait so you said fractal something about fractals so fractals what a continuous infinite Loop of what

Andrew Wilsonoh my God energy there's no what she's right fractal is a continuous infinite Loop of the same thing over and over because you can take one you can fractal it into an infinite you can make anything in infinite through a fractal

Andrew Wilsonhas literally nothing to do with this question though you never million years has anything to do with this I was using as simp wait so so your your objection

Brian Atlasis the frequency with which I asked this question which is almost every podcast is that your objection is the frequency um I just feel like it's overplayed she to be different but it's be different

Brian Atlasbut every single episode I also ask people their name their age where they're from relationship status it's just like a basic G to know the person it's but also oh this is very basic too everyone's going to have a different

Deadbeat (Christine)opinion like that same question isn't going to feel the same for every single person sitting here every single time they do the podcast everyone's always going to have a different response to that and that's what makes the question unique not the question itself but the

Brian Atlasperson answering I get that yeah so you let me ask you a couple questions then you guys aren't getting her answer she's yeah I know well that's okay so it's fine okay so when it comes to physical

Amandaattractiveness you don't you don't care at all about that I think more so sometimes if I'm just kind of like I will be attracted to someone after I get

Brian Atlasto know them where I won't feel attracted you're not answering my question are you talking about I need you to answer my actual question so yes are you attracted to people because of their personality wonderful can you the

Brian Atlasactual question though repeat it one more time do you make any assessments when it comes to somebody's physical attractive attractiveness when it comes to determining whether you would date them or

Brian Atlasnot yes obviously I have okay a couple further clarifying questions then so would height be one of those things no so you

Brian Atlaswould date a guy who's 411 how tall are you I'm 5'7 5'7 so you would date a guy who's 411 I mean I mean if they were say if they were off oh so they have to make up

Amandafor it then go ahead say what you're say I'm saying I'm I want to bring my boyfriend this because like I love him and I don't even want to like compare him to in any situation like some weird I don't want to talk about other guys

Amandait's like period okay so if I'm saying they were equal like say my boyfriend was just 411 oh I'm sorry uh say my boyfriend was just 41 he just happened me 41 yeah I'll

Brian Atlasbe with him how tall is your boyfriend 6 nice 6ot I 6ot okay so two interestingly enough you don't care about height but your boyfriend does

Amandahappen to be 2 in above the a see him until months after talking to him you never saw pictures of him yeah well I saw him on Instagram but I didn't see

Madzillawhat so you did see him physically height in that form you can make some assessments about height just even could even the assessment of like how this right now okay so in any case

Brian Atlasyou you would date a guy who's 411 if they were exactly yeah if they're your boyfriend what if they're not your boyfriend then no anyone but with my yeah what if you break up with your boyfriend and you're

Amandaback on the uh the dating Marketplace well would you prefer to date a guy all things being equal who's 411 or 6 feet I don't see myself not being with my boyfriend not going be my boyfriend I don't want to be with anyone else I if

Amandayou didn't have breakfast if you didn't have breakfast this morning how would you feel I would be hungry but I don't care because I would rather be go be a yogi out in freaking uh India then go geta with this physical world any Cas

Brian Atlasyou did you did make a concession that you do factor in physical appearance correct in some form or okay so that means you can look at things in the binary for example so one person is more attractive than the other so 0 one yes

Amandaor no I wouldn't necessarily say someone is more attractive than the other just because of this and that reason I think it's dude s you don't need to apologize

Amandajust make the correction but I don't specifically say in terms of levels be like oh because this person has this color eyes they're more attractive than this person or this person is an inch

Brian Atlastaller they're more attracted sure let's say it's just it's totally ether it's totally ethereal you can't even articulate precisely why or Reason the reasons for why one person or the other might be more physically attractive but

Amandacan you make the determination that one person is more physically attractive energetic level like you describe physical looks I'm talking about physical looks you kind of just described it you said on like the level of you can't

Brian Atlaseven what I meant that's not what I meant okay but if you did mean that I would say then yeah okay so I'm just talking physical looks on physical looks yes can you make can you make differentiation and

Amandadeterminations when it comes to physical appearance yes okay but I don't like to in the form of seeing something as lesser than the other one lesser than something else

Brian Atlasokay but which I feel is where this conversation leads right I have a question do you um you're currently wake wearing makeup now do you wear makeup in other capacities how often do you wear

Brian Atlasmakeup once in a while once in a while yeah like when you go out would you just put on makeup sometimes okay why do you wear makeup cuz I want to does it make does it improve your physical appearance

Brian AtlasI'll take it off right now I don't care I'm not asking you to do that but you're you said the question is stupid and then it's rather superficial but I mean and you don't really believe in looks and all of this but I mean you've applied

Brian Atlaspaint to your face to alter your app paint to everything else in my life I'm an artist what do you think right you apply paint to like some sort of uh [ __ ] Turtle sh I don't know the shell things or whatever you make are I don't even

Amandaknow what you're talking about well you make these like shells they're cool but you make these they're like sculpture shell they're not shell I don't know okay whatever whatever they are but um also my sculptures that are

Brian Atlasactually like life-sized you didn't see them uh yeah I think I saw they're pretty big multiple galleries they're pretty big in any case um I'm just confused so you you talk about you know

Brian Atlasnot thinking the question is superficial but isn't wearing makeup superficial if you were if you were operating on this like higher frequency because what can't you have this conversation with her after we go around the table why can't

Madzillayou just feel like answering question we get to dolphin hold on hold on Jes make it let's y' can talk about this for the rest of the whole time let's move on she doesn't want to answer just

Brian Atlasrebuttal after reut yeah I'm going to keep going Brian I'm sorry it's a it just yeah that's fine so that's fine so okay so no preference with height whatsoever no I don't care about you

Brian Atlasdate a guy with a microp penis small penis is that okay you're okay with a small pen I guess she's not okay no I don't care that's kind of dumb

Madzillaokay all right then hey you know that's fine she's just trying to sound like a good guy on camera there has to be some cuz I'm not doing it yeah no I just don't feel like answer the question I I know I'm just I'm just giving you a hard

Brian Atlastime I just want to I want everyone to be able to answer the question uh do you think for example like you don't want to answer the do you not want to answer the question because you think you're a 10 but you don't want to say it yes no I

Amandawould not say that I just think she's not you're you would not say you're a 10 no why like I don't well I would say she's like a million I mean i' this is just in some weird way it sounded like you

Amandawere trying to like say that I thought I was better than someone else I wouldn't say that I feel I am equal to everyone so we're all in terms of physical appearance okay yeah I would say yeah we're all 10 every okay there we go everybody's a 10 we're going get yes

Brian AtlasI'll move to that point so okay everybody's a 10 in terms of looks there's no absolutely zero different in no unique way Morgan is that your name yeah Morgan's definitely like a 20 at

Madzillaleast okay and so is a helmet over there she's there you go [ __ ] yeah are men are all men tens yeah in their own unique

Brian Atlasway in their own unique way yeah okay um so can you think of uh do you have like a celebrity crush no prior to your boyfriend maybe no I actually don't I

Brian Atlasdon't care about celebrities right okay so if I were to like pluck out like a 25-year-old male model would you rather say I already saw your list I don't care what list I saw

Deadbeat (Christine)on a prior podcast the true man yeah I don't she don't want to talk about none of this she keeps going and going wait but why did you come on the podcast then she just didn't like that question

Madzillacome on cuz you're you're stopping it for all of us no wait we can keep going I don't care okay respectfully though can we get to Dolphin I want to know the okay all right I'm hang on hang on hang on hang on let's finish we want to

Andrew Wilsonfinish we're hry I can already tell I tell we're going to be tangling right soon I can already tell that that's going to happen but before it does maybe I I would like

Andrew Wilsonto to just know the the answer so just so that you understand this was actually a pretty common scientific practice the wisdom of the crowd they just would do it with livestock things like this as an experiment and what they're trying to

Andrew Wilsondetermine is even if people are wrong about an actual objective metric like the weight of a cow for instance if you took all of their answers collectively and averaged them would they be closer

Andrew Wilsonto the truth interestingly enough the answer was yes so people would guess the cow was 600 lb some would guess it was 400 some would guess it was 500 most of them were wrong but collectively when

Andrew Wilsonyou average the answer it was about right so it it doesn't seem like it's a feudal question doesn't seem like it's a bad question and it doesn't really fit the criteria that you're giving us of uh overly invasive you're just saying what

Amandayou think the wisdom of the crowd would be I don't feel it's overly invasive but to give a no but just okay I was about to but just to give a blank answer to

Amandamove on because we should move on I believe out of my my perception that we're all tens including myself thank you okay let's go do you think that that

Brian Atlaswould be the average of the crowd yes sure yes okay why do some people have modeling contracts and others don't if everybody's equivalent in looks modeling contracts nowadays what's that a lot of

Brian Atlaspeople actually have modeling contracts nowadays yeah but why would why you know let's say that there's people who want to be models but can't I mean there's also like connections there's also

Amandadifferent things going on like that's what's happening in the model industry has nothing to do with physical appearance it's just all the models have understand what you're saying I understand what you're saying and I

Madzillaunderstand but now they went for models yeah well it's definitely arler now but so we're just talk about superficial looks still wonderful let's keep going around the table hold on hold

Brian Atlason hold on hold on you know what you don't hold on this is her podcast now I know I was thinking she's did look I'll look tell you what ladies if I want to talk about this for the next hour I'll talk I'm going to talk back for the next

Andrew Wilsonhour go ahead go okay so anyways um hang on with great tattoos come great responsibility right you got to got to chill out that's the way it works I'm chill dude I'm super

Andrew Wilsonchill she's the seem very chill you seem very upset you seem very irrit calm down calm calm down yeah there we

Brian Atlasgo all right well I have the tattoos make me look mean and crazy I'm really here here's what I'm going to do I have a spe a follow-up question for you but I'm going to get of everybody's answer so uh

Dob Jonesare you going to answer the question or you said 10 correct yeah she said she's a 10 okay what about you

Dob Jonessince I'm twice as old as everyone here I probably like six and a half okay consensus I want to say I'm sorry I

Elissa Cheesemanforgot about that um I want to say a 10 to but I was originally going to give myself like an eight maybe cuz I was trying to be nice to myself but now I want to be extra nice to myself and I'm

Brian Atlasa 10 okay confident 10 go ahead I'm going with an eight all right I'm gonna say an eight okay I give myself a five Andrew what about

Andrew Wilsonyou uh so I think that the wisdom of the crowd would probably Place me around a three or a four and I rate myself a four you got to give yourself more credit than that did yeah you really do well so

Andrew Wilsonno no stop right this is what I what I did do is I look around at the reality that I live in in the reality that I live in I see dudes who are uh super stacked and they're ripped and they have

Andrew Wilsonuh youth on me and all sorts of different things and based on those criteria of purely physical we're not talking about personality I know I'm [ __ ] awesome right I have the greatest personality ever I'm hilarious great we're just talking about objective

Andrew Wilsonbeauty standards that's it but you have a cute all we're talking about not besides your body you have a cute face yeah I get that but there's lots of and they have knock to go with it and everything else right so what I'm saying

Andrew Wilsonis that I think that the standard the wisdom of the crowd would be about on par with where I'm putting myself and so the reason I asked this question is because I was hoping that I wouldn't get a room for because every woman who's on

Andrew Wilsonthis show apparently is the most be they're in the top tier of the top tier of the most beautiful women in the world and you can see where I would be skeptical as to hearing that claim over and over and over again without thinking

Andrew Wilsonthat maybe being gassl a bit or perhaps people weren't being particularly honest with me so I thought I would reframe it differently with the wisdom of the crowd and yet somehow I still end up with the

Andrew Wilsonsame exact answer apparently a thousand men would also rate you to the same Beauty standard that you would rate yourself which is crazy to me don't you think that that's a little bit sus it's

Deadbeat (Christine)a little bit like maybe you're aren't that being honest no no no yeah it's sus I think people here are lying but don't

Brian Atlasyou think there's a reason why maybe I think what reason results you mean delusion is that the reason no why is there the same results if you keep doing if you're doing something different why are you getting

Andrew Wilsonthe same results then well actually I just did something different I just did something different so usually the definition of insanity which I think you're alluding to which by the way this isn't the definition it's some like weird Layman that came out of the '90s

Andrew Wilsonfrom a bunch of stupid teachers but how it goes something like this the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results so I introduced a completely different hypothetical and

Andrea Vasquezstill got the same result which makes me think maybe I'm not insane but rather the people I'm talking to might be suffering a bit from delusion okay I'm saying I agree I'm saying something completely different

Andrea Vasquezyou didn't even understand it I said if you're framing it differently and you're getting the same answer then there's a very here that's not being addressed what's the

Andrea Vasquezvariable maybe it's the context in which like what is the point of the question like is what I want to know well I'll tell you I'll explain it to you so that

Andrew Wilsonyou know okay the point of the question is to ascertain between men and women who is more or less delusional about what the physical characteristics that

Andrew Wilsonthey have externally presented to other people are actually perceived right so the perception of other people to how you actually look versus how you think you actually look and let me explain the

Andrew Wilsonthe concept behind why that's asked that way it's because women are inundated with messages from men who want to have sex with them all the time every day 24 hours 7 days a week because of this you

Andrew Wilsoncan run into a problem which is unique to females because they have this superpower called female narcissism and the reason that this ends up happening is because so many simps will constantly inundate their DMs that after a while

Andrew Wilsonthey start to actually believe the [ __ ] so this is why you end up having a room full of women who are you know they could be burned victims with their [ __ ] tongue hanging out of the

Andrew Wilsonleft side of their cheek and have a hunchback and they go I'm a 10 and you go what are you [ __ ] on crack well no not really it's it's not that they're on crack right even though you would think

Andrew Wilsonso it's because there's still some [ __ ] simp somewhere who's like oh I got a fap to this chick that's my thing I love when they have Burns and their tongues hanging out and they have a

Deadbeat (Christine)hunchback and so they believe the [ __ ] point of the question and this is why I tell any girl that asks me that they want to be a dancer that just do it because in the club you're always going

Andrew Wilsonto find somebody that messes with you right that's exactly right and so now you understand the point now you understand the reasoning do you even have an objection to the reasoning or

Deadbeat (Christine)does it make sense it makes sense guys gas us up now hang on hang on don't agree with that point though like you're like oh because we're all all

Andrew Wilsonnarcissists I think it's deeper than that I think it's like no no I'm not saying you're all narcissist wait wait wait don't see themselves as a 10 no what I'm saying what I'm saying specifically is this and I'll

Andrew Wilsondemonstrate it real quick before before you respond if you took your phone and the amount of DMS you get on social media to most any random man uh and you

Andrew Wilsonwere to compare how many men contacted you for some type of sex versus how many women contacted them for some type of sex who do you think would be way ahead

Amandayou or them you know what's interesting about this so I've heard that her answer letter her answer I'll answer

Andrew Wilsonafter I don't understand how you're even phrasing that if you took your phone and the amount of men who DM you to say oh you're beautiful you're a queen oh

Andrew Wilsonyou're great oh I wish I could to date you oh I'd like to have sex with you etc etc and you were to compare that with any random guy's phone on the street who do you think would come out

Andrew Wilsonahead of course the girls of course the girls so you can assume then that if you have that much attention one way that it would be much easier for the one sex to

Andrea Vasquezbelieve in a delusion than the other sex because they're not being gas lit near as much I don't think it's about delusion though I don't think that's the answer or like conclusion to that it's

Andrea Vasquezlike you're kind of the way you're saying it is like degrading you're like well they're saying they a 10 because they're a narcissist like no they say you're 10 want sex with you even a

Andrew Wilsonconclusion it's called it's called juicing you up right they're razing you up and telling you're the most beautiful girl in the world because they want to have sex with you that's why they do that and so what it does if you have

Andrew Wilsonenough of that male attention it jacks up your estimation of yourself men don't have that they don't have the inundation of people jacking their self-esteem up and so it seems that they have a much

Andrew Wilsonclearer objective standard of their state in the world when it comes to objective Beauty and women seem not to I don't think that's true hang on let her respond let her

Andrew Wilsonrespond first of all like let's just clarify you mean not all men though cuzz I know men that are like that so of course not of course there's some men out there of course that that's going to be the case that their ego through the

Andrew Wilsonroof they're they're drop dead gorgeous whatever it is but that's not in general going to be the case a woman who's a mid five and a man who's a mid five if you compare their phones tell me the truth

Andrea Vasquezwho's coming out ahead okay here's my response answer that question first coming out ahe I'm answering that it's women and it's because Society in like the structure of civilization and

Andrea VasquezSociety men have been on the hunt for women that's how it's always been it hasn't been reversed so that is why it's it's obvious that women are going to get more attention because guys

Andrew Wilsonare the ones that have always systemically done I think you're missing I think you're missing uh some critical context here it it wouldn't really matter why let's say aliens the the

Andrew Wilsonreason is because aliens made it happen the reasoning behind it wouldn't matter so much as the fact that it is is true and if it is true then the results of this are if you have one group who is

Andrew Wilsonconstantly being gassed up and told you're great you're awesome you're sexy you're hot etc etc their estimation of themselves is going to be far different than another group that never hears that

Madzillaright that's the point and that's why I think we end up with these standardized answers which seem to be delusional but you're asking women if they what they think about themselves but they know their personality they know how they are but it's hard say oh

Andrew Wilsonjust Bas is though hang on you you seem you seem like you're kind of based a little bit more in reality right just a bit so let me ask you here's the the actual

Andrew Wilsonquestion if you go and you compared your phone to uh whatever guy that you randomly met in the street who's getting more DMS for sex him or you I'm for sure

Andrew Wilsongetting more DMS for sex oh yeah you're for sure getting more right tons more it's not it's not now do you think do you think that if if you had a person who was always treated a certain way they were always treated like they were

Andrew Wilsona princess they were always treated like they were better than the the cut of the cloth they're always treated that that could affect their psyche to the point where they might think not thoughts delusional thoughts

Andrew Wilsonabout themselves that weren't true yes they're [ __ ] delusional for sure yeah they're [ __ ] delusional and so that's the point of the question so s comes in here is an eight if every single chick

Andrew Wilsonwho comes in here is an eight then the problem is is that everyone's thinking something that isn't true and we want to know [ __ ] why to somebody so if you want to walk around with that delusion or that

Andrew Wilsonreality that's your reality then that's what you're living in so that's fine if you have you know somebody's ug question time about whether or not they're an eight to somebody they asked about the

Andrew Wilsonwisdom of the crowd of if a thousand men were judging not one a thousand you take out number seven if we still get the same answer then that means there must be

Libby Spainofion I didn't hear anybody say you can't say number three for yourself you said you can't say seven I would have said seven for myself I wasn't going to go down from seven so I went I have uh

Brian Atlasso I have a couple things I want to touch on on this so you asked why does it matter and also could I just have you scoot your mic to the edge of the table and just don't you're like shouldering out the two girls next to you so all right

Brian Atlasso Nick can you get the hypergamy chart pulled up cuz I'll go go into that a little bit I do have a question going around the table do you think you're going to be better looking in 10 years as compared to how you look

Madzillanow that's deep um yes better looking in 10 years so you're so so 35 you're going to be

Brian Atlasbetter looking at 45 I think so what about uh in 20 years 55 versus 35 yeah if if you got money you can look good forever

Madzillaget a little boat so get a little this a little that hey that's my better looking at 55 as compared to now um yeah I think

Brian Atlasthere's a lot of like old yeah I think I think so were you better looking better looking hopefully like hopefully around the same the same you'll you think you'll look the same at 55 as you do now

Madzillaokay yeah there a couple gr hairs little wrinkles you know tats the tats cover up a lot of like the age you know if I get wrinkles I'll just t to it you know do you think you were do you think you were better

Brian Atlaslooking at 25 than you are now no so you're better looking now than you were 10 years ago at 25 I think so okay all

Brian Atlasright what about you yeah you know my answer well there's new people we just I guess so but okay so you'll be better

Deadbeat (Christine)looking at 35 than you are now at 25 yes uh 45 yes 55 yes okay what about I don't think I'm going to look better than I do now no okay so you're 30 I'm 30 okay uh

Brian Atlaswere you better looking at 20 than you are now at 30 at 20 hell no I look way better than I did at 20 okay what about you you are 24 will you be better looking at 34 than you are now

Brian Atlassubjectively I think women look better in their 30s subjectively I think women look better in their 30s subjectively you think women look better in there so then you'll look better in your 30s then I think so I

Amandathink they look more sophisticated and it's like about their demeanor and way of okay what about 44 you're 2 now I don't know I think it

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Amandawas oh so 44 44 would you be better looking at 44 than you are now at 24 I'm unsure you're not sure I would say

Amanda30s I would yeah we already no I had cap I don't know maybe you would just stay maintain that you just main years

Brian Atlas44 difficult dude so so from 34 to 44 there will be no perceptible changes in your looks yeah probably of course there would be but maybe on a attractive scale

Amandait would stay the same what about 54 probably not I would reasonably say uh it would change in some form or another in society's eyes in he okay yeah because they

Amandaperceive older women as for some reason less beautiful why doesn't that apply to 44 then it's about how you take care of yourself yeah like that it's how you take care of yourself at 44 you never know you could be more attractive at you

Brian Atlaslook better let me change the question then so the framing here is all else being equal so people will say well I was I was an alcoholic drug addict and morbidly obese at 20 but at 30 I ate

Brian Atlashealthy I didn't do drugs I never drank I got 8 hours of sleep and I was uh 133% body fat or whatever healthy body fat percentage is uh the question really is if all else being equal if you possessed

Andrew Wilsonall those things at age 20 as compared to age 30 well 30 like I said I think there's a sophistication level to that I think yeah I'm talking about looks no but even what he's asking hang on what he's asking specifically I just want to

Andrew Wilsonmake sure that this is totally clear when he says all else equal what he's saying is all the surgery that you have whatever you haveg all the fill hang on all the fillers you have whatever you have and I'm not accusing anybody of having it or not having it but whatever

Andrew Wilsonthose things are whatever your beauty regiment currently is whatever it is that you're taking care of yourself now versus you at 20 that's what all else equal is that means whatever you're

Andrew Wilsondoing now if it was being done at 20 would you have been prettier at 20 than you are

Amandanow um personally at 20 to now she's 24 so 2 so 34 to 24 like way I would say um

Brian Atlasonly four years I would say equal or more like cuz I I like I said there's a maturity in your appearance not just your way of be your appearance itself yeah but wouldn't that if the if maturity was a factor in terms of

Brian Atlasdetermining physical attractiveness wouldn't then people who are 55 65 75 wouldn't they be most physically attractive well I think it's different from when I was 20 years old I had a

Brian Atlasbaby face and I looked like people thought I was like 15 so I think there's like the way that people grow into their bodies so you no longer have a baby face maybe I don't know so what's going to change so you're 24 but you said you'll

Amandabe more physically attractive at 34 what it's not going to be baby face if you've already lost it ex no for example it's like if you have on a society's perspective like fat

Amandain your cheeks or whatever the older you get the more your jaw SL uh the fat Slims out of your cheeks the more uh your nose becomes pronounced the way that is defined the way your face looks is completely different jaw structure

Deadbeat (Christine)bone structure cheek structure is different can I ask a question is it also about the experience that you gain from that point to 34 that makes you hold yourself physically in a different demeanor ex that's what I was trying to

Deadbeat (Christine)say in the beginning then yeah the experience that you have from 24 to 34 life experience makes you hold yourself different when you more bodies no not bodies I'm talking about life experience

Deadbeat (Christine)I'm talk about tragedies and the ups and the Downs of life and baggage talking why are you going so negative that's what life experience is it doesn't so

Andrew Wilsonsorry that that has been your life experience okay hang on I'm I'm actually willing to engage in this because I'm I'm curious about this myself when you say life experience absent baggage what

Deadbeat (Christine)the [ __ ] does that mean I actually do want to know wins wins times that you have been very accomplished like times that that make you feel usually in the face of adversity isn't

Andrew Wilsonthat what we consider accomplishments for instance if for instance you beat somebody in the race CU you trained really hard or you were facing some type of of adversity to yourself you overcame

Andrew Wilsonit that's the W how does that not come with baggage how does that not come with making enemies how does that not come with with you know sexual partners how does that not come with that so with the first part I agre the sexual partner

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