She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #177

Date: 2024-07-10

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDeadbeat (Christine)>

AAmanda (DT177)>

AAndrea Vasquez >

EElissa Cheeseman >

SSerena (DT177)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01Libby Spain(guest)

SPEAKER_02Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_03Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_04Serena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrea Vasquez(guest)

SPEAKER_07Dob Jones(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madzilla(guest)

SPEAKER_11Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_12Elissa Cheeseman(guest)

SPEAKER_14Deadbeat (Christine)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDob Jones introduces herself as "Dolphin Girl" and explains dolphin communication is "telepathic holographic picture talking."

“my name is DOB Jones and also known as dolphin girl and I'm an animal activist I do Dolphin Research in the cognitive Sciences of dolphin communication”

QuoteAlien reveals she is dating a tree near her house.

“there's no real story there's just a tree down the street from my house I think he's beautiful and I'm dating”

QuoteDeadbeat estimates she received approximately $800,000 in gifts/cash from men over 8 years of stripping.

“maybe like 800,000 over time I would say”

QuoteBrian asks Dob Jones if she has had "carnal knowledge of a dolphin."

“this is a dating podcast have you had carnal knowledge of a dolphin”

OtherDeadbeat tells story of Waka Flocka Flame's team dragging her into his section at a strip club; she was defended by his crew and left with ~$2,500.

“this is Waka Flocka and his team... he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and Drug me into the section”

OtherDeadbeat tells traumatic story of a customer masturbating on her feet during a back-room private dance.

“I open my eyes and this guy is straight up on my feet... he was just straight up jerking off on my feet”

QuoteBrian mentions Big Labia Matter (BLM) nonprofit — 10,000 labiaplasties per year in the US.

“check out my nonprofit movement big labia matter BLM for short it's really the pressing issue of our time 10,000 labia plasties a year just tragedy”

QuoteAmanda declines the self-rating question with "peace and love" and claims "we're all tens."

“I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of Consciousness into the sphere... with peace and love”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women who self-rate 8-10/10 are delusional due to constant simping/gas-lighting in their DMs; cites "female narcissism" as a byproduct of male attention asymmetry.

“this is why you end up having a room full of women who are you know... and they go I'm a 10”

ControversyExtended heated debate between Andrew Wilson and Andrea Vasquez / guests about whether male preference for clean-shaven women is correlated with pedophilic tendencies.

“if a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to be shaved down there... is that of the nature of being a PDF file... it is a... yes”

QuoteAlien discloses race-play degradation kink — wants white men to use racial slurs but only if they seem genuinely uncomfortable doing so.

“I like degration so like... I just want them to degrade me in a racial way I know it's like it's more trauma response type of thing”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas opens show, references Santa Barbara Lake Fire (12% contained). Guests introduce themselves: Madzilla (model/artist, LA), Alien (warehouse worker/OnlyFans, AZ), Deadbeat/Christine (stripper/OnlyFans, Riverside), Amanda (sculptor, NJ), Andrea Vasquez (jiu-jitsu coach, NJ), Dob Jones (dolphin researcher), Elissa Cheeseman (fashion grad, PA), Serena (nursing student, SB), Libby Spain (entrepreneur, TX), Andrew Wilson (debate host, remote).

Madzilla / BigMilkGang Bitcoin Donation

During intro Brian references a $100K Bitcoin donation from BigMilkGang for Madzilla.

Dolphin Communication and Telepathy Debate

Dob Jones explains her research on interspecies telepathic communication with dolphins. Andrew Wilson challenges her on scientific evidence, citing Amazing Randi's $1M prize for demonstrating psychic abilities (zero successful claimants). Dob cites a 1997 newspaper article where she called dolphins in front of a reporter. Debate covers faith vs. evidence, military ESP programs, and the nature of consciousness.

Relationship Status and Dating Histories

Brian goes around the table asking relationship status, roster size, and longest relationships. Notable: Deadbeat had 4 men paying her bills simultaneously; estimates ~$800K in gifts over 8 years. Amanda is in a 4-year age-gap relationship started on DMT. Alien is casually talking to someone for 1-2 weeks. Madzilla has a 5-year-old son from a brief hookup.

Strip Club Stories (Deadbeat)

Deadbeat shares two strip club stories: (1) positive celebrity encounter with Waka Flocka Flame — invited into his section, left with ~$2,500; (2) traumatic back-room story where a construction worker masturbated on her feet during a paid private dance. Andrew Wilson challenges the boundary-drawing logic; discussion of strip club etiquette and parasocial relationships between dancers and customers.

Trump vs. Biden: Who Would You Sleep With?

Hypothetical question: Trump or Biden? Panel answers. Deadbeat: Biden (soft old man energy). Elissa: declined (has boyfriend). Several pick Biden. Andrew criticizes everyone for missing the obvious answer (Biden would forget about it in 5 minutes).

Sassy Men Apocalypse

Deadbeat discusses the "sassy men apocalypse" — attractive mid-tier men becoming increasingly sassy and expecting to be chased. Panel discussion on gender dynamics in modern dating.

Self-Rating Round (Wisdom of the Crowd)

Andrew Wilson proposes "wisdom of the crowd" framing — asking guests what 1,000 men would rate them on a 1-10 scale. Amanda refuses to engage ("we're all tens / peace and love"). Most women rate themselves 8-10. Andrew rates himself 4. Dob Jones: 6.5. Libby Spain: 5. Extended meta-debate about female delusion, social media gas-lighting, and the epistemics of self-assessment.

Do Women Get More Attractive With Age?

Brian asks guests whether they will be more physically attractive at 35, 45, 55 vs. now. Most younger guests say yes; Dob Jones (55) says she would have been more attractive at 45 (pre-stress). Andrew argues all-else-equal, women peak young. Libby Spain invokes "law of diminishing returns." Discussion of Botox, societal standards, male vs. female aging.

Age-Gap Relationships and Social Stigma

Discussion of whether society normalizes old men dating young women in film (James Bond examples debated; Andrew asks Dob to name a movie where age-gap is promoted as good). Dob cites Hugh Hefner. Andrew argues men who date younger get called "PDF files" while women who date younger men are called "cougar" — and that the stigma on men is actually greater.

Female Condom Demo

Brian produces a female condom and passes it around. Panel reactions vary — Alien says she used one and had to get Plan B when it shifted. Amanda immediately leaves. General amusement and awkwardness.

Feminist Identity and Female Oppression Debate

Extended segment asking guests if they identify as feminist. Definitions debated (Andrew: "rejection of patriarchy"; others disagree). Discussion of whether women in the US are oppressed. Body hair, shaving preferences and pedophilia correlation debated at length. Bear vs. man in the woods poll conducted.

Race Play / Degradation Kink (Alien)

Alien discloses she is into race-play degradation with white men — but only with men who are visibly uncomfortable saying racial slurs, not ones who are eager. Traces the kink to a childhood racial incident. Andrea shares that her ex-boyfriend later revealed a financial degradation fetish.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Most women choose bear. Brian offers $100K challenge to any woman who will spend an hour in a 10x10 room with a black bear. Alien volunteers. Percentage of men who would attack estimated by women: ranging from 10-20% to 50%.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasme your question was would they dat date me right okay um let's say have you ever

Brian Atlashad like a one night stand yeah yeah so um do you think in a uh

Brian Atlasactually let me frame this a little differently if you hook up with a guy on the second date how confident are you that you can turn that second date hookup into a

Dob Jonesboyfriend I think what you're saying though is what each person wants sometimes people just want casual sex some people people could want the same things but yeah some

Brian Atlaspeople value relation I'm saying is like me as a guy look there's girls out there that just want to the probability but I'm okay here's the other thing that I forgot to mention so typically in order

Brian Atlasfor a woman to with a guy the guy needs to be at least physically attractive enough for her to be in a relationship with him whereas for a guy will sleep

Brian Atlaswith a girl who just based on her looks we would immediately disqualify for for a relationship just based on her looks but will still sleep with her so what is

Elissa Cheesemanthat what is that attributed to do you think there is no attribution do that mean wait was that just like a statement

Brian Atlasor was that like more cuz like I I feel like yes what you're saying like so guys like if typically women will actually break a rule in the opposite direction

Brian Atlasso in order for a woman to have a one night stand where she otherwise wouldn't the guy has to be like really physically attractive whereas for a guy to have a

Brian Atlasone night stand with a woman he's actually going to go the opposite way where he will he will have sex with a

Brian Atlasgirl who's less less attractive than he would otherwise uh be in a long-term relationship with now if he can get a one night stand from a really hot girl

Brian Atlashe'll do it but men are willing to have casual sex down whereas when women choose to have casual sex it typically ends up being with men who they might

Brian Atlasnot be able to get into a relationship but they can get casual sex from him yeah I get that the silence in this room is palpable by the way because you

Elissa Cheesemanall know I'm right okay I I mean I feel all know I'm the difference don't know what response it's the difference of the way

Dob Jonesthat men and women view sex I mean that's the foundational thing yeah and there's a chemical reaction that happens in a woman where she has attachments after she sleeps with a man so it's a

Dob Jonesdifferent brain chemistry that happens absolutely it's bonding yeah it's a bonding and you know that's the beauty about men and

Dob Joneswomen because we have different men have a different Drive than women and then women have that chemistry that happens after they sleep with a man so right but

Dob JonesI mean just to reiterate kind of again what I'm saying so yes I I heard what you said like a man will sleep with someone just to have sex whereas a woman has

Brian Atlashigher criteria or standards because she wants to have this man be someone that she wants to dat so like if a woman is kind of on the lookout for casual sexual encounter like she's going to be like

Brian Atlashyperfocus in on like a really hot attractive guy if she's inclined to go get that casual sex whereas a guy he's

Brian Atlasgoing to just be like I'll get whatever I can take mhm right and so that opens up this potential for men who are

Brian Atlasfrankly more attractive than a given woman to have sex with that given woman maybe keep her arounds as a Friends with Benefits she'll never get commitment she'll never get a relationship and so

Brian Atlasthat's why it's important for women to realize again their um their uh how do I put this best their attractiveness in the dating Marketplace

Brian Atlasso that's why if you got a bunch of girls saying I'm a 10 I'm a 10 I'm a 10 you're going to be chasing after a certain caliber a certain tier of guy who you'll never get commitment from so women's league is who you can get

Brian Atlascommitment from who you can get long-term relationship from who you can get marriage from your league is not the cohort of men who you can have sex with once or a couple times or even friends

Brian Atlaswith benefits that's not your league ever for whereas for men our league is any pretty much anywhere from any girl

Brian Atlaswe can have sex with that's our league in terms of physical appearance sounds good sounds normal checks out pretty yeah I mean not that that's if

Dob Jonesyou have a lot of guy friends you get to hear that kind of conversation which which I have and so and I grew up with brothers that look a lot like you when

Brian Atlasdark one light one and you know it's just it's part of kind of life that well do you would you guys agree with this statement women sleep with who they want

Brian Atlasmen sleep with who they can yeah I agree that say that's over anyways um let's see let's get into some notes Here I need to get Serena in the conversation okay uh let's do twitch Nick and I yeah

Brian AtlasI'll probably uh drop it for a little little bit uh guys twitch.tv whatever drop us a follow drop us a prime sub if you have one twitch.tv whatever guys it

Brian Atlashas been 31 minutes since we've had a prime I think it's bugged I think twitch is broken boys drop us drop us a follow in the

Brian Atlasprime Subways thank you thank you appreciate it um and uh let me get into some of my pre-show notes Here we have oh AB Che thank you for the gifted 20 memberships man appreciate it Serena

Brian Atlasyou said you have way too many crazy unique dating stories how many First Dates oh uh so how many First Dates have you been on probably like a handful I

Serenalost count but it's been a while since I've been been on a first date now okay well isn't it I mean you've only been dating your guy for well six months I think after

Serenaprobably after my long-term relationship I experienced dating here and online dating and it was very different from growing up in a very

Serenasmall town so I met a bunch of different people didn't really know what it was

Brian Atlaslike to date outside of what I knew so okay and you said that uh you wanted to

Serenatalk about splitting the check oh yeah I went on this date with a guy and I've actually never I've never had to pay for a date before besides this one um with your current is this your current

Serenaboyfriend no this is not my current boyfriend okay um but we had a conversation he asked me how I felt about spling the check and I've never split the check so I was just kind of

Serenalike okay yeah like I guess guess I'm fine with it I I do prefer guys paying for the first date just cuz like they want to me it shows that they want

Serenainterest to spend time with me I'm like okay well then I I want to spend time with you too and instead of spling the check I ended up actually spending the

Serenawhole paying for the whole date e was there a second date no there wasn't a second date cuz of the check thing I would have been fine SP the

Serenacheck but going in there yeah there was just not a second date wait and you paid the whole bill I did how did that happen

Serenahow yeah how' this happen it was State Street Parking dub you don't pay for parking after 10: I was like okay then I'll pay for a food sure go ahead he's

Serenalike okay maybe he paid like two bucks for like parking but then I end up spending like $520 on food and you said all your other First Dates the guy always paid yeah I've

Serenaoffered to split or like offered to pay my part but all the guys I've been with have paid or put my card away there wasn't a second date because you had to

Serenapay for the date it was just I mean I don't know if it had to be the main portion of why I didn't want to see him but it was a I

Brian Atlasthink were you upset were you upset by it even for even not in the major way yeah I think I was upset about it so you were upset

Brian Atlasabout essentially the experience that all the other men that you've dated like you were in their shoes

Serenabasically I guess oh I see what you mean by like expecting them to pay or is that what you mean can I ask you a question

Aliendid he ask you out or did you ask him out he asked me out and W then you paid W and then I PA for sure I'm

Serena[Music] leaving like I'm not going to I see it like I just like I was in the situation like I guess well especially when he asked you

Dob Jonesto like split it and then he's expecting you to pay everything then that's kind of like that's more like a weasel because if I say to someone he wanted

Alienyou for a free day he wanted you for free life he used you you know because I mean he's asked to go out a couple more times but I he wants more free food

Brian Atlasyeah foodie call he's and so you haven't had a lot of opportunity to speak throughout the show I mean were there any any of the topics that came out throughout this uh evening were there any topics that I I saw a

Brian Atlascouple times you leaned into the microphone but you didn't really get a chance to speak so there's anything that you wanted to like touch on from previous convos honestly I it's been a long

Serenacouple of hours that everything's become a blob that I can't remember persective yeah s hours yeah you're right it's been seven hours oh my

Serenagoodness so you got anything or you're like yawning I like piggybacking off of other

Brian Atlaspeople's stories listening uh right is Andrew Frozen he's been like that for a while intensely listening what happened

Dob Jonesto Andrew it's it's the Lord's doing oh he's back why was it so alarm you came back

Serenain in your notes you said meeting a good guy he will do what he wants to do I think so I think my boyfriend currently has shown me what it's like

SerenaI don't know I think he's been the best guy I've ever been with because he wants to do things even if I

Serenadon't want him to he'll offer to like do laundry like I I want to show like I

Serenawant to contribute but he wants to just show cuz he loves me like he just do he just wants to do it wait do you guys live together we don't live together so wait wait when you say does laundry does

Serenahis laundry you want to do his laundry at your yeah he'll do if he has laundry I'll like do his laundry too but when I go over to his place he'll just like oh where's your laundry like I'm going to do it I'll fold the clothes like you

Serenadon't have to I'll be like oh but you're putting it in the wash I can go fold it he'll want to do that things I want to cook but we can cook together are you sure or no then let me just cook for you let me make you lunch let me make you

Brian Atlasdinner and you can just take it to work because a you wake up early in the morning and commute so considerate and then you said uh how how I knew the relationship I am

Serenain right now is different I think I just feel very secure like I'm usually very anxious and

Serenaavoidant like I don't like talking about my emotions or when issues come up um but when he notices things he addresses

Serenait and is very patient with me and I'll talk about my feelings and just thank you for letting me know how you feel like iy I'll try to understand where you're coming from and I want to work on

Serenathese things you meet him on a dating nap no I didn't meet him through a dating app

Serenaum it's my friend's fiance's brother so a yeah sweet how old is he uh he's 23 yeah okay all right and you're 20

Brian Atlasright I'm 21 you said uh weird experiences dating and breakups before the one month oh yeah there was a there was a pattern

Serenawhere I and maybe it's just cuz it was online dating I would meet people talk with them for like 3 four months hang

Serenaout and then they'd want a relationship and I'm like okay sure like I'll try this out and it just ends

Brian Atlasup being at the one month that something just goes wrong and they're just like is okay some La paladins just said there's

Brian Atlasa a hurricane I he joking oh I'm try damn don't joke about that [ __ ] bro okay um

Serenaokay you said you want to talk about red flags hookup phases oh um I think my first time hooking up with someone after the threeyear

Serenarelationship it was I've I guess back then I had a type and I matched with my type and I was like oh this person

Serenaactually likes me um we talked for a bit he took me on a really great day and it was just something that I've never experienced outside of my hometown or

Serenalike high school and being in college was exciting and he was older and then I thought thought everything was great we hooked up and

Serenathen I didn't see him again but maybe it was I know he was following a lot of college girls um I thought we had a connection

Serenaand then it was just how how old was he I think he was 28 and you were and it was pretty bad because I was like what like probably 19

SerenaI wasn't even 20 or 21 so but I I think honestly I was naive I didn't really know so much he said he was exactly your type

Serenathough like how like white guy yeah I guess white guy

Serenaoutgoing like sports like very very plain kind of thing back then when so what I mean besides just white what's

Serenayour type I don't really have a type now he said he's really back then back then what I thought was my type was what white guy was white what's your uh

Brian Atlascurrent boyfriend is he I mean yeah he's white what what else I mean do you have other like blue eyes brown eyes blonde

Brian Atlashair dark hair tall short muscular dad bod honestly I think I've gotten more

Brian Atlasinto personality over okay I see all right good times yeah so you guys good times wait question so you went on this

Brian Atlasdate with this guy 29 whatever and you guys did you guys smash on the first date no second date yes second

Serenadate okay and then no third date no third date did so what happened there did you like reach back out to him I did want to hang out we would have conversations here and there and then I

Serenawas like okay let's go out I want to see you again and oh I'm busy or I'm not really feeling it today or like not

Brian Atlasfeeling going out tonight or drinking I'm like damn played um so but like how many times did you make the effort to try like was was that the

Brian Atlassame experience like before you hooked up like it was kind of hard to link up or was it pretty easy to link up before the smash I think it was pretty easy

Brian Atlasbefore that how many times did you try to like link back up once twice three times two times two times yeah who sent the last

Serenatext message um I think he did he did yeah what did it's just like no can't chill or something yeah don't feel like drinking tonight like I don't know who said anything about drinking

Brian Atlas[Music] but good times yeah good times good times yeah damn her type just let her down let tell him they really that you

Brian Atlaswere that he was your type or whatever no it wasn't worth knowing that he was I think it was okay supposed to be that relevant you mentioned something

Serenaabout red flags oh red flags what are like red flags I know I dating I feel like if you don't I think guys that I've dated in the past

Serenareally like the Chase and then the chase maybe if you don't if you don't want to show interest I feel I see that do you know what I mean definitely noticed that before not

Serenawith all guys obviously then maybe I'm like okay I guess I'll hang out with you more it gets just I don't know maybe connection runs dry and things just kind of fizzle out which is fine maybe I'm

Serenajust not their person okay and something about hookup phases or is that pretty much the story that you just told pretty much I think the first whole year after getting out a

Serenareally long-term relationship I was just experiencing different gu guys and okay trying to figure out what I wanted what I liked how

Brian Atlasmany exper did you say experiences figuring out experimenting yeah how much experimenting was uh

Serenaoccurring I don't know what do you mean like like you want me to give you numbers or like yeah why not I don't know I like I haven't really paid

Brian Atlasattention you don't have like in your notes on your phone just like Billy Bob Billy twice Billy Bob Jordan

Brian Atlastimes no I feel like my friends remember more of this stuff than I do okay yeah all right let's see other notes here okay we did

Brian Atlasher Serena we have actually you know what before I get into some of more of my uh pre-show notes actually I'll do

Brian AtlasDre that you right yeah Dre okay you said you were stocked by an ex behind a shed push yeah uh can you just scoot the

Andrea Vasquezmic to the edge oh scoot scoot it good job so this is dated um my first

Andrea Vasquezrelationship when I was in eighth grade huh what y getting stocked in the eighth grade damn that's right well this didn't happen that's early to get stocked this didn't happen in

Andrea Vasquezoh okay we first that was we were both like first relationship both and then um we dated until I was like a sophomore in high school Frick we'll just keep going

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Andrew Wilsonchill okay um okay we're back boys where were we we were talking to Dre is it we were talking about Mutual submission can we

Andrew Wilsonget back to Mutual submission I really I really want to discuss Mutual submission it's bothering me Brian I I would like to discuss it real quick her story is funny and it's crazy it's

Brian Atlasreally funny can you give us like the short version Andrew we'll get back to a moment let me get through her notes and then we'll get on it so yeah I was just telling you a crazy dating story and it

Andrea Vasquezwas like when I was in e8th grade me and this guy like first relationship ever both of us we dated till I was like a sophomore in high school and then after I graduated high school we got back

Andrea Vasqueztogether which should have never happened but we got back together probably for like 2 years and then he ended up like stalking me in the town that I live cuz we don't live we didn't

Andrea Vasquezlive in the same town and then uh one night I snuck out of my window and the window was open like it was unlocked mhm and uh my laptop was right on my bed like right

Andrea Vasqueznext to my window and I snuck out and he came out from behind my shed and was like where are you going in her fenc in backyard oh my gosh yeah and then uh he was like I'm going to tell your mom and I was like you're insane what are you talking about you're like

Andrea Vasquezcoming out of my shed right now and then I like jumped the fence and like ran away he ended up stealing my laptop from my window so that's story and cuz he wanted to like read my text messages we

Brian Atlashad broken up and he was stalking me trying to like get back together story mess posing all right and then you said uh I don't know if this was a disagreement imposing views or values

Andrea Vasquezonto another yeah that was like different um so that was like I was thinking about like oh if you um if you're kind of against posting

Andrea Vasquezlike certain pictures or something on Instagram like different values because I've been there in like a relationship where you're like oh I don't like that they follow

Andrea Vasquezlike like models or whatever on Instagram right say that's the one of the examples so it's kind of like something that I thought I had to come

Andrea Vasquezto a realization of and I don't know if I mischaracterized your viewpoint but thought it was like if you don't like some something a lot of the times that's

Andrea Vasquezjust like what that person like does and is and so sometimes you don't just don't even mess with that person like if they're following a bunch of like Instagram models and that's not what you value then you just don't mess with that

Brian AtlasI actually have a so I do have a rebuttal to this right so okay so prior to dating uh let's say a guy was

Brian Atlasuh prior to dating a woman was posting like bikini photos on her Instagram and kind of maybe posting some more provocative stuff and you might you know have your own opinions on if that's

Brian Atlasacceptable not acceptable but in any case he had no problem with her engaging in what he considered single Behavior but once they started dating he wanted her to act in a way that he thought was

Brian Atlasconsistent with her being in a relationship so for example when you're single you might go out to bars and nightclubs and you might be on a dating app but but once you decide to be in a

Brian Atlasrelationship is it wrong to then expect your partner to stop being on a dating app I would say in my opinion for

Andrea Vasquezme definitely yes but I think it just it just depends on like I don't know if anyone else has a better answer

Brian Atlasto that but like I feel like it just depends on what you really care about because some people don't care right about so what if you change those so I mean like okay

Brian Atlasyou're saying are is this kind of I think the main thing you were talking about is like if a girl's posting like bikini photos on Instagram is that she stop and then you and you like want to stop or something yeah and so like okay then you're like

Brian Atlasoh I want to take this girl seriously I want to be in a relationship with her but this is like a sticking point for me and I don't want her to be publicly posting like kind of more provocative photos on her Instagram even though she

Andrea Vasquezwas doing it before I think that's as long as like she's like obviously like in the situation like you're probably going to find someone who will be like yeah I'll do that like that's fine and

Andrea Vasquezthey might they might go along with that like they might do that that's fine but I personally wouldn't date someone with that type of view but also like at the same time you're going to be able to find someone who's going to also

Brian Atlasalign like that like so it is it is fair to say that you're better off off finding somebody who doesn't do that to begin with but what if you're at least at the beginning of the relationship you don't really care that much but then

Brian Atlasmaybe you have a change of like I'm actually at the beginning I didn't really care we were just kind of doing our own thing now that things are getting a bit more serious uh I don't

Andrea Vasquezwant that to continue moving forward yeah I think so my can I just answer real quick yeah cuz I've been through this situation like pretty much um I would say like yeah you could bring it up and just see how they respond a lot

Andrea Vasquezof times I would just keep in mind though that like you especially if it's like say you're like they're liking like certain pictures on Instagram or like in this scenario my scenario um and you ask them not to do

Andrea Vasquezthat like it's still something that they hold as like that's what takes up their time like they're that that's what's on their like explore feed still so like you could be like hey can you not do

Andrea Vasquezthat but to understand that also like that is something something that they had valued in their mind like just not necessarily valued but like had done in their free time that's something that

Andrea Vasquezlike took up space in their mind mhm cuz I don't go through Instagram like I I want someone like on that level where I don't go through Instagram just like scrolling through and like looking at

Brian Atlasguys but like assuming someone was in this position where uh this was not made clear like prior to the start of the relationship maybe they didn't even have an issue with it prior to the start of

Brian Atlasthe relationship for example would you be totally fine dating a guy who likes other girls bikini photos me personally yeah you no okay but do you think it would be wrong for a girl who perhaps at

Brian Atlasthis uh before they were obviously dating she can't have any control over him a guy who likes random chicks bikini photos on Instagram but now that they're in a relationship the guy continues to

Brian Atlasbe liking like chicks uh photos bikini photos provocative photos on Instagram do you think that's objectionable to some degree once he's in a relationship with a girl

Brian Atlasjust say something about it no do you think it's uh do you think in a relationship it is objectionable for the guy to be liking other women's sexy photos on

Andrea VasquezInstagram in my opinion I mean that's not something that I value like I don't want a guy who is like oh I'm going to like that's something that I like to take up my time with I'd rather you be doing something like better with your time did it prior to the relation ship

Brian Atlasyeah then I wouldn't be in a relationship with them but he's doing it now you mean I'm sure there are plenty of women who would get into a relationship with that kind of guy who's inclined personally I think that's lame

Brian Atlasas [ __ ] but who's like liking chicks photos on Instagram um but now she's in a monogamous serious long-term relationship with him and she's no longer she's not cool with that uh with

Brian Atlashim doing that yeah yeah so what's the question like about okay so then but would you equally object to a man not wanting to date a woman who posts those kind of

Andrea Vasquezphotos I wouldn't OB to it like if that's what they agree upon then that's that's what they agree upon you know okay that's kind of like cheating too right isn't that like an agreement in a

Andrea Vasquezway like isn't that like certain boundaries you set like some people think cheating is like if you're going to do like there's like degrees to it

Andrea Vasquezsome people agree upon different degrees mhm so I think it could it could be like yeah for sure it could but I don't

Brian Atlasknow okay cool uh Andrew I'll give you um five minutes on on the how's that sound oh yeah that's fine I just want to

Andrew Wilsonuh very quickly correct a few things so um normally I use only secular arguments when I engage with panels like this I understand that most people are not

Andrew WilsonChristians uh or if they are they're just kind of what you would call a surface level Christian they don't really care like you guys don't really care at all about the gospel most of you are secular you know you're secular

Andrew Wilsonthat's what you are uh that's why you're rolling your eyes this kind of thing I don't even blame you that's why I use secular arguments uh but I did want to correct this when it comes to

Andrew Wilsonsubmission submission is not mutual the way that it was described to you um and the only reason I'm bringing this up is was because a woman was

Andrew Wilsonpreaching the gospel which is why women shouldn't be preaching ever or in any capacity in control of anything when it comes to preaching but uh Timothy

Andrew Wilsonaddresses women and says pastors and Men submitting a woman should learn in quietness and full submission do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man

Andrew Wilsonshe must remain silent now this woman will say that means in church right but what is the church it is the body of Believers anytime she's preaching that

Andrew Wilsonis the church that's this is why we consider them to be heretical the reason I'm explaining to you what submission is there is a Christian ethic and I want to

Andrew Wilsonmake sure that you understand what the Christian ethic is it's not about Mutual submission you are to submit to your man as you are unto the Lord this means as

Andrew Wilsonyou would unto God is how you are to submit under the Christian ethic so I just wanted to correct that I'm not going to address her because she refuses

Andrew Wilsonto engage as you saw she just shut right down terrified fine fair enough she can shut right down but I did want to correct that so that you understand that

Andrew Wilsonis a false gospel that is being preached to you if you guys have any type of push back I'm happy to engage with the push back but what you just had preached to

Alienyou was a false gospel no exactly you say you're man you're not her a man I didn't need to and when you show me a man I mean you

Alien[Music] know I I don't even know what you just said I said when you show me a man then she can like shut the [ __ ] up I don't think like I don't see one so why would I take the advice of a woman who has a

Alienpaper clip in her nose it's not a paper clip so there you go what is it bar so was actually made to be like this thank you oh I mean my bad what was I thinking yeah mind your business how about that

Andrew Wilsonyeah I know what was I think I mean you're the one who addressed me not me who addressed you but if I fire back you're you have 20 pieces of Steel in your face and I'm supposed to take and it's better than looking like a big

Andrew Wilsonmouth character [ __ ] the [ __ ] yeah but you're wearing Andrew doesn't matter what we look like supposed to take what you say serious you coming after African tribes because

Andrew WilsonI know a lot of African tribes that do have like a lot of yeah name a single African tribe by name one you do it the no you do

Andrew Wilsonit sing African tribe M let her answer name a single African I have to name one one for what reason why do I have to name something part of my said I know

Alientons of African why do I have to name something that's a part of my heritage why while you're coming out myage a name of an African stupid you look as stupid as you sound honestly are

Andrew Wilsonyou going to name a tribe I don't have to cuz you can't CU you don't I have to wait imagine saying this is an intricate part of you act like the fact that like

Alieneven fat people with hair don't even actually exist in other [ __ ] societies and that they have like just name one you don't have to name it to know that it exists you want me to go grab my phone I can go grab my phone

Alientell you right now yeah oh you'd have to look it up it's so grab my phone and tell you right now I am storing so much information in my [ __ ] head it doesn't matter what if I remember or not that's great well let me ask you a

Andrew Wilsonquestion do you know what a burrito is of course we know what a burrito is yeah great uh you know that there's a maybe a part of a cultural heritage that a

Alienburrito is a part of what would that cultural heritage be if okay and there's other foods that exist that I can't even [ __ ] name but doesn't matter that if know whether they the I know burit a

Alienburrito though would associate with and it doesn't matter so a burrito doesn't matter burito you would ass it doesn't matter and it doesn't matter SP you're

Aliennot going to answer a single question CU I don't have to yeah so and I don't you already sound [ __ ] stupid you sound like because I can't name something that doesn't

Alienexist but it exists and it doesn't matter if I yeah but he doesn't want your answer because he wants us to Dick ride and sound [ __ ] stupid he doesn't want you to help me he he just needs I don't I don't think she

Andrew Wilsonwas saying her piercings are because of her Heritage I I think she was just saying that I didn't say that she said this is an intricate part of my Heritage because the African tribes I asked your name one I said that there's a lot of

AlienAfrican tribes that do have a lot of piering you are it doesn't matter if I have to name one did the AZ text [ __ ] exist for you to say like oh that there's like pyramids out in [ __ ]

AlienMexico like shut the [ __ ] up who buil those who built those huh who built the pyramids which one why would I take you seriously why

Amandawould I take a person who said sorry answer me question you want me to answer a question how about answer me a question about how are you slow Egan you Wen getting alienn we'll talk about who really built

Andrew Wilsonthe pyramids like an aliens right here [ __ ] like come on you it's just it's just Madness to me that this is so important to you the cultural heritage that you don't know anything about you can't name something specifically that

Alienit doesn't exist something specifically that what doesn't exist oh my God are you that slow or conversation that we were having this whole entire time what was I saying this whole entire time I would just like

Andrew Wilsonwhat you said what you said was there's a cultural heritage and you that's why you have the face jewelry hang on let me finish that's why you have the face Jew you finish but you didn't let finish you

Alienask me a question do you not want the answer Libby Libby I'm so sorry about oh yeah don't worry about it that's why I you were disruptive towards her and now you're asking for the same respect

Alienis ridiculous are you going to answer that's ridiculous okay so I mean you can keep that argument to yourself on trying to make people sound stupid but at the end of the day you sound [ __ ] stupid

Alienthe more that you trying to say that it doesn't exist because I can't name a single like tribe or Society or blah blah blah I have seen the pictures I know that

Alienthey exist just like you know like move on past it we all like so I just listen say that Drake we know that Drake talked to [ __ ] kids but like just because we don't have like

Alieneverything right here and I can't tell you all the [ __ ] kids that he was talking to doesn't mean that doesn't exist anyway so what you said was you said that all of the face piercings in

Alienthe wig were because to do with this now you're you're still not going to let me finish you're not let I'm not going to let you you didn't let liy finish and you didn't let a lot of people other

Andrew Wilsonlike finish so why should I care I like please I'll I'll let I'll let you finish just explain to me why should I care great what you said was that all the

Alienface jewelry in the wig was based I did not include my wig so go back try thank you it's not a wig I didn't I didn't include my wig so you coming after my wig wig whenever I was talking

Andrew Wilsonabout my piercings oh try it again so just your piercings I'll correct the record your piercings were be due to an African Heritage which you had a deep connection to because of African tribes I said it's

Andrew Wilsona part of my Heritage cuz am I not you you can't name a single because my skepticism when you can't name a single tribe slavery so important

Aliento you are you stupid do you know the story of slavery and how a lot of slaves don't even know own [ __ ] Tri still sping do you know the story of slavery and how they don't know their own

Alien[ __ ] trib like I have to go are you done spering now so that I can you going to answer the question because it sounds stupid to

Alienme that you're going to try to tell me about how I don't know so like my Heritage and blah blah blah whenever we all know and it's basic common knowledge that black people in America who didn't

Aliencome directly from Africa who brought here that we don't know our [ __ ] tribes and blah blah blah but I do know in fact that there are tribes out there to you but you don't know a

Andrew Wilsonsingle tribe got it why are you acting like that information is so readily available I'm going to listen to Nick from Big Mouth like shut wait it's not readily available African tribes are not readily available not what I'm say

Elissa Cheesemanyou're taking it some weirdo has it minutes yeah okay shut up like that it doesn't

Andrew Wilsonseem like it's very important to you everybody put your swords away for just a minute ENT like like actually finish without being filibuster wait

Andrew Wilsonit's what she said what she said was this geara where SE she's still filibustering what she said was the

Andrew Wilsonmassive amount of face wear that I have is due to my deep cultural African to my and then when I asked her what tribe she

Aliencan't name a single African tribe not one that's like to name every [ __ ] woman every [ __ ] woman who exist right now

Brian Atlaslit name your like you know trolling you one second all right guys check this out check it out look I got to move it on I got to move it on listen it was good it was entertaining a little heated

Brian Atlasexchange it was very it was good that was the most that was the it was you said all night I love it it was great thank you it was good I'm glad we got I'm glad we got to see a different side

Brian Atlasof you and you know I personally think Desmond's at half trou right now just kid I'm kidding I'm kidding Desmond oh sorry was that Karan sorry sorry

Brian Atlassorry uh hide that super uh which one I don't see it anyways um guys I'm going to yeah we're just going to hide that one Nick um so okay boys light-hearted

Brian Atlasquestion light-hearted question for the whole panel here let's say you meet this really cool guy I want you to go into a dream world right now do I have a dream world sound hold

Brian Atlason uh do I have a dream world [Music] sound Brian sushia thank you thank you for the gifted memberships appreciate I don't have a dream world sound how about this

Brian Atlasum no that's not I'm scared I'm scared of that [Music]

TTS donationsguy okay dream world you meet this guy he's like God ad donated $199 thank how does the panel feel about

TTS donationswomen in relationships having male friends do they think the fellows have ulterior motives let's get ad I'll I'll get right back into that I got to do the dream world

Brian Atlasthough dream world really quick hottest dude you love him no okay you don't love him first date he's he's your type you like his personality he

Brian Atlashas Riz he's got Charisma okay everything everything you want in a guy you're you guys are H about to hook up about to hook up and you're like do

Brian Atlasyou have a condom and he's like I got you babe and then he reaches into his pocket and wait uh maybe hide the

Brian Atlashide uh Andrew for really quick he reaches into his pocket and he's like I got you babe and pulls

Elissa Cheesemanout it's a fale female pulls out Nick pulls out a female condom he's like I got you boom wouldn't know what to do with that

Brian Atlashonestly and he's like okay go ahead really H and he's like go ahead Morgan really hot put that [ __ ] on I see what it looks like what's your response put that [ __ ] Ong don't open it up don't

Alienopen it up I can tell you from experience it does not work it will shift and all just use a regular condom so what would you do what do you do I'm

Morgan (off-panel)you know sorry this what you do are you like let's do it or okay first off I'm not getting with the guy on first date oh of course of course like hypothetical hypothetical oh no I guess not I don't know what I

Libby Spaindon't even know what that is like second date second date it's like chill like third date okay okay just we're learning well I had to see how it works where did you get it yeah so

Elissa Cheesemanlike Brian you put that [ __ ] in huh that where did you get it how do you even amazon.com and now with this affiliate

Alienlink um so like what um alien what would you do would you use it would you laugh I've used it before Oh you used it us and it shifted so I'm

Libby Spainnever going to use that [ __ ] again cuz I had to go get Plan B afterwards yeah I see that's pretty Bas though yeah if he whips that out it's crazy I would be curious as to why he

Libby Spainbought that kind instead of the other kind he's a gentleman maybe he was switching it up maybe he switching it up a little bit lead to more questions for so what

Amandado you do do you use it I walk out you you dip you walk out [ __ ] yep get the [ __ ] out he dri stick though get the [ __ ] out I don't give a [ __ ] get

Amandathe [ __ ] out okay what what do you do no don't use it it looks Sky you don't like to use protection no that looks sketchy

Andrea Vasquezwhy is it sketchy bro she say sketchy sorry you were asking me to throw it in there it's not really uh what about you do you are you down for the fale pretty

Brian Atlascool like that's that's really cool if he has that cuz I've never seen that before I feel like he have to bring two set of condoms I've heard of them but I've never seen I'm telling you

Brian Atlasboysol what about you what what do you think I I wouldn't sleep with them have you in all your experience have you seen

Dob Jonesa female condom no but it's close to a diaphragm so they kind of based it on that but even diaphragms are kind of

Dob Jonesiffy about pregnancy um but still it's like if he had that in his pocket I'd be like player so wouldn't make he's a

Brian Atlasplayer he female he's carrying around a female condom this guy's a [ __ ] player boom okay what about you what what do you do you're down um oh no no I was responding her no that thing looks

Elissa Cheesemanweird I'm not putting it in me I'm sorry thank you but like you should have got that you should have got like your own version like I'll get mine I don't want that thing thanks for trying guess I

Serenaguess Selena what do you Selena Serena but Serena sorry um I wouldn't use it but I'd open it to see what it looks like that's very

Brian Atlastrue but here's the thing right okay let me add a little layer to this you really it's been a minute this is the guy it's been a minute since you've smashed and you know you got it I know

Alienlike I know a lot of you out here doing the dirt without prot is there a reason why you were looking into my school while you were saying that what the [ __ ] you were like I

Brian Atlasknow targeted every I was looking at everybody's Soul okay you didn't look at my soul you and like but he doesn't have a regular condom you can the stores are closed you can't so it's like you have

Elissa Cheesemanto [ __ ] with this or you can't [ __ ] don't [ __ ] wait why can't you [ __ ] without it though like because we could go to a store tomorrow no but you trying to you trying to smash that night so

Andrea Vasquezwe're not trying to do it okay this is an immediate crisis so like you wouldn't use it but this is all you got I mean like but can I use I mean it's okay I you know how when a person like it's

Andrea Vasquezkind of like bias because you're like oh I really like this guy like maybe I'll just you know cuz it's kind of biased in a way you're like forgiving him for weird [ __ ] you really like him I don't

Brian Atlaswant to put that weird P I've pulled it out I've been like they love it they think it's funny boom it's funny fun want to sleep with

Elissa Cheesemanyou I'd be like this is so weird can you pull like a regular condom out of your PO Serena what you did I get it right this time yes you did okay what what do

Serenayou if I have a IUD and does I don't have an I in this hypothetical scenario there's no cond SDS uhhuh oh let me okay fine let me

Elissa Cheesemandouble triple down on this you don't have you're not taking birth control contr and you're ovulating oh definitely no I guess I when we need to B like I

Libby Spainguess I'm using have to bang I guess there's a first experience for everything STDs wait what do you mean I thought this protects STD I'm going to say I would just pass I would pass on

Dob Jonesthe night there you go okay that's fair this thing doesn't protect against scds no because there's no cover on him what if he's carrying a v dis kind of prect it's about

Dob Jonesit would be the same protection as what I was saying earlier like it will move because the guy is like thr rightless you hardly move when you're having sex which is like like I had to go get a

Libby Spainplan B after using something like that I'm going to say the novelty of it does not make that worth it thought I was reading I was reading the thing Andrew what about you have you ever like do you

Elissa Cheesemanever strap up like is this do you have a couple of these or now oh he's got more than a couple of wife hey don't talk about my my

Andrew WilsonCaucasian like that he's Catholic Andrew no I'm not I'm not a Catholic I don't I don't know where you ever got the idea I was a Catholic Andrew I'm going to make you a deal here

Brian AtlasI'll give you three cups but I'm also sending you home with one of these bad boys for what sharks anything you

Brian Atlaswant water balloon what is that what is that new fangled Gadget do I've never seen one of them before oh look it was

Elissa Cheesemanman Andrew doesn't know about condom oom what are those what areale condom

Brian Atlaswhat are what are those okay uh all right where were we let's get back to some of the pre-show notes oh wait uh just going around the table who considers thems a

Brian Atlasfeminist starting with Morgan's kind of just if you want to answer Morgan you can but you're just kind of you know you're just kind of there you know just to she's

Brian Atlasnot she's not real what yeah she's not real rude okay no it was just are you going to let her talk to you that way Morgan you going to it was just a joke I

Morgan (off-panel)don't know what's happening you said that about her already ah he said I'm just there she said I'm not real but same thing there's a difference some same difference uh are you a feminist

Amandano no I've seen the hell that breaks loose on the show I am not answering that question I wait hold on hold on the hell that's ensued what I have what do

Brian Atlasyou mean I'm a Vietnam flashbacks Vietnam she's getting Vietnam flashbacks that DMT trip was [ __ ] up okay but you have the higher Consciousness though I'm not you should be able to transcend all

Brian Atlasof this femin she's having flashbacks of Vietnam agent orange [ __ ] Napal Napal bro engulfed

Brian Atlasher in her DMT trip okay so are you a feminist do it do it don't make me press the button do it you made me press the button just now you have to wait 30

Elissa Cheesemanminutes while this plays why wasn't the podcast like this the whole time yesterday you said tomorrow so just do

Dob Jonesit make your dreams come true [Laughter]

Andrew Wilsonsuccess impossible you should get to the point where anyone else would quit and you're not going to stop there no what are you waiting

Dob Jonesfor do it just is that a pony do it yes you can I think I saw do

Andrew Wilsonit he's weing a g string uh I am Optimus Prime leader of the autobot that's all that comes to mind whenever I see that guy sorry bad

Brian Atlasjoke go um how would you oh my god describe or give a definition of that word well it doesn't really matter what

Andrew Wilsonmy definition is what matters I can give you a great definition a rejection of patriarchy in patriarchy

Andrew Wilsonsystems Incorrect and my answer I'm sorry I'm sorry how can somebody's definition be

Andrea Vasquezincorrect I I say that it's F that was false what's false about it I don't think your definition is something that

Andrew Wilsonnecessarily works well okay what's your definition of feminism what well my definition of feminism is

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