She Dates Dolphins?! Andrew Wilson HEATED Debate With Feminists! ( ° °) | Dating Talk #177

Date: 2024-07-10

Duration: 9h 05m

Guests

Brian Atlas

DDeadbeat (Christine)>

AAmanda (DT177)>

AAndrea Vasquez >

EElissa Cheeseman >

SSerena (DT177)>

AAndrew Wilson >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_01Libby Spain(guest)

SPEAKER_02Morgan (off-panel)(audience)

SPEAKER_03Amanda(guest)

SPEAKER_04Serena(guest)

SPEAKER_06Andrea Vasquez(guest)

SPEAKER_07Dob Jones(guest)

SPEAKER_08TTS donations(audience)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Madzilla(guest)

SPEAKER_11Alien(guest)

SPEAKER_12Elissa Cheeseman(guest)

SPEAKER_14Deadbeat (Christine)(guest)

Key Moments

QuoteDob Jones introduces herself as "Dolphin Girl" and explains dolphin communication is "telepathic holographic picture talking."

“my name is DOB Jones and also known as dolphin girl and I'm an animal activist I do Dolphin Research in the cognitive Sciences of dolphin communication”

QuoteAlien reveals she is dating a tree near her house.

“there's no real story there's just a tree down the street from my house I think he's beautiful and I'm dating”

QuoteDeadbeat estimates she received approximately $800,000 in gifts/cash from men over 8 years of stripping.

“maybe like 800,000 over time I would say”

QuoteBrian asks Dob Jones if she has had "carnal knowledge of a dolphin."

“this is a dating podcast have you had carnal knowledge of a dolphin”

OtherDeadbeat tells story of Waka Flocka Flame's team dragging her into his section at a strip club; she was defended by his crew and left with ~$2,500.

“this is Waka Flocka and his team... he went forward and like grabbed me by my armpits and Drug me into the section”

OtherDeadbeat tells traumatic story of a customer masturbating on her feet during a back-room private dance.

“I open my eyes and this guy is straight up on my feet... he was just straight up jerking off on my feet”

QuoteBrian mentions Big Labia Matter (BLM) nonprofit — 10,000 labiaplasties per year in the US.

“check out my nonprofit movement big labia matter BLM for short it's really the pressing issue of our time 10,000 labia plasties a year just tragedy”

QuoteAmanda declines the self-rating question with "peace and love" and claims "we're all tens."

“I respectfully decline answering this question because I do not want to focus my point of Consciousness into the sphere... with peace and love”

ControversyAndrew Wilson argues women who self-rate 8-10/10 are delusional due to constant simping/gas-lighting in their DMs; cites "female narcissism" as a byproduct of male attention asymmetry.

“this is why you end up having a room full of women who are you know... and they go I'm a 10”

ControversyExtended heated debate between Andrew Wilson and Andrea Vasquez / guests about whether male preference for clean-shaven women is correlated with pedophilic tendencies.

“if a man prefers a woman and likes a woman to be shaved down there... is that of the nature of being a PDF file... it is a... yes”

QuoteAlien discloses race-play degradation kink — wants white men to use racial slurs but only if they seem genuinely uncomfortable doing so.

“I like degration so like... I just want them to degrade me in a racial way I know it's like it's more trauma response type of thing”

Topics Discussed

Introductions

Host Brian Atlas opens show, references Santa Barbara Lake Fire (12% contained). Guests introduce themselves: Madzilla (model/artist, LA), Alien (warehouse worker/OnlyFans, AZ), Deadbeat/Christine (stripper/OnlyFans, Riverside), Amanda (sculptor, NJ), Andrea Vasquez (jiu-jitsu coach, NJ), Dob Jones (dolphin researcher), Elissa Cheeseman (fashion grad, PA), Serena (nursing student, SB), Libby Spain (entrepreneur, TX), Andrew Wilson (debate host, remote).

Madzilla / BigMilkGang Bitcoin Donation

During intro Brian references a $100K Bitcoin donation from BigMilkGang for Madzilla.

Dolphin Communication and Telepathy Debate

Dob Jones explains her research on interspecies telepathic communication with dolphins. Andrew Wilson challenges her on scientific evidence, citing Amazing Randi's $1M prize for demonstrating psychic abilities (zero successful claimants). Dob cites a 1997 newspaper article where she called dolphins in front of a reporter. Debate covers faith vs. evidence, military ESP programs, and the nature of consciousness.

Relationship Status and Dating Histories

Brian goes around the table asking relationship status, roster size, and longest relationships. Notable: Deadbeat had 4 men paying her bills simultaneously; estimates ~$800K in gifts over 8 years. Amanda is in a 4-year age-gap relationship started on DMT. Alien is casually talking to someone for 1-2 weeks. Madzilla has a 5-year-old son from a brief hookup.

Strip Club Stories (Deadbeat)

Deadbeat shares two strip club stories: (1) positive celebrity encounter with Waka Flocka Flame — invited into his section, left with ~$2,500; (2) traumatic back-room story where a construction worker masturbated on her feet during a paid private dance. Andrew Wilson challenges the boundary-drawing logic; discussion of strip club etiquette and parasocial relationships between dancers and customers.

Trump vs. Biden: Who Would You Sleep With?

Hypothetical question: Trump or Biden? Panel answers. Deadbeat: Biden (soft old man energy). Elissa: declined (has boyfriend). Several pick Biden. Andrew criticizes everyone for missing the obvious answer (Biden would forget about it in 5 minutes).

Sassy Men Apocalypse

Deadbeat discusses the "sassy men apocalypse" — attractive mid-tier men becoming increasingly sassy and expecting to be chased. Panel discussion on gender dynamics in modern dating.

Self-Rating Round (Wisdom of the Crowd)

Andrew Wilson proposes "wisdom of the crowd" framing — asking guests what 1,000 men would rate them on a 1-10 scale. Amanda refuses to engage ("we're all tens / peace and love"). Most women rate themselves 8-10. Andrew rates himself 4. Dob Jones: 6.5. Libby Spain: 5. Extended meta-debate about female delusion, social media gas-lighting, and the epistemics of self-assessment.

Do Women Get More Attractive With Age?

Brian asks guests whether they will be more physically attractive at 35, 45, 55 vs. now. Most younger guests say yes; Dob Jones (55) says she would have been more attractive at 45 (pre-stress). Andrew argues all-else-equal, women peak young. Libby Spain invokes "law of diminishing returns." Discussion of Botox, societal standards, male vs. female aging.

Age-Gap Relationships and Social Stigma

Discussion of whether society normalizes old men dating young women in film (James Bond examples debated; Andrew asks Dob to name a movie where age-gap is promoted as good). Dob cites Hugh Hefner. Andrew argues men who date younger get called "PDF files" while women who date younger men are called "cougar" — and that the stigma on men is actually greater.

Female Condom Demo

Brian produces a female condom and passes it around. Panel reactions vary — Alien says she used one and had to get Plan B when it shifted. Amanda immediately leaves. General amusement and awkwardness.

Feminist Identity and Female Oppression Debate

Extended segment asking guests if they identify as feminist. Definitions debated (Andrew: "rejection of patriarchy"; others disagree). Discussion of whether women in the US are oppressed. Body hair, shaving preferences and pedophilia correlation debated at length. Bear vs. man in the woods poll conducted.

Race Play / Degradation Kink (Alien)

Alien discloses she is into race-play degradation with white men — but only with men who are visibly uncomfortable saying racial slurs, not ones who are eager. Traces the kink to a childhood racial incident. Andrea shares that her ex-boyfriend later revealed a financial degradation fetish.

Bear vs. Man in the Woods

Brian asks: would you rather encounter a random bear or random man in the forest? Most women choose bear. Brian offers $100K challenge to any woman who will spend an hour in a 10x10 room with a black bear. Alien volunteers. Percentage of men who would attack estimated by women: ranging from 10-20% to 50%.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasguests do not necessarily reflect the views of the whatever Channel with that said and without further Ado we're going to have the guests introduce themselves so please tell us your name age location and occupation go ahead what's up my

Madzillaname is madzilla I'm 35 years old don't tell nobody else I'm from Los Angeles California and I'm a model a mil and artist you know I took a mil wait big

Alienmil gang uh what part of LA are you from Hollywood Hollywood like that's where you grew up or I grew up in like Long Beach Orange County okay close enough all right cool cool cool what about you

Aliencool so I'm alien I'm 25 I'm from Arizona um I work at a warehouse uh I also have only fans at alien spores and

Deadbeat (Christine)then I also have a podcast with my best friend all right what about you hi my name is dead be I reside in Riverside

Deadbeat (Christine)California I am a dancer I also have an only fans at deadbeat world and yeah I'm really excited to be here H 30 I'm 30 years old y'all all right don't tell no

Deadbeat (Christine)one wait so your your name is dead beat dead beat what's your government government my government name is Christine Christine what's the uh Genesis of deat I came from deadbeat

Deadbeat (Christine)world like I'm calling the entire world a dead beat sorry not sorry but over time my fans just kind of like made it into dead beat alone so it kind of feels

Deadbeat (Christine)like a um oxymoron kind of like Tyler the Creator when he says boo at me so my show is better I'm like yeah call me deadbeat cuz I'm just going to get better over time no or you're just a

Brian Atlaspiece of [ __ ] do you have children that too no no children so dead beat because I'm still a little confused on it's like [ __ ] the world

Deadbeat (Christine)wait did you pick did you pick the name or did somebody assign the name to you uh my fans over time they just started refer to me as deadbeat it just happened just randomly random yeah because I

Deadbeat (Christine)didn't have my full name on my Tik Tok or Instagram for many years so now it's just like that's just what they know me

Deadbeat (Christine)by yeah all right d e b huh or d e a d e a d b e a t i have it tattooed literally oh got it I literally committed my life

Deadbeat (Christine)and so and you're you're a Dancer too correct yes is that also your stripper name no my stripper name is Sage that would be you should change it would be I I've actually considered changing hi I'm

Amandadead beat but I been I have been Sage longer than I have been deadbeat so okay yeah my name my name is Amanda I am 24

Amandayears old and I'm a sculptor from New Jersey what kind of sculpting do you do I make mixed media sculptures um it's hard to describe them in full detail

Amandaright now and and you're from Jersey you said what park uh South Jersey jerse 10 minutes from Philly is that near the Jersey Shore it's an hour and like 30 minutes

Andrea Vasquezaway okay hi I'm Andrea Vasquez I am Amanda's

Andrea Vasquezsister and um I'm a jiu-jitsu administrator coach I also work in a

Brian Atlasrestaurant and I'm from Jersey obviously uh 26 26 okay full full siblings yes by the way if there's room I know it's a

Brian Atlasbit tied at the table you might be able to scoot your your chair into the table a little bit so you're not as far from the mic but unless it's too tight if there's in any case what about you our

Andrew Wilsonyou're a jiu-jitsu instructor yes I am have you ever been walking alone in the park and been attacked and broken the guy's legs both both legs yet both legs no

Brian Atlasshe what belt are you I'm a blue belt blue belt okay cool three stripes with stripes three stripes three stripes okay I didn't know they do stripes and there's four Stripes till the next belt

Dob Jonesoh okay cool what about you that's cool um my name is DOB Jones and also known as dolphin girl and I'm an animal activist I do Dolphin Research in the cognitive Sciences of dolphin

Dob Jonescommunication I also talk to other animals including the human animal um I am an author and my age is 50 something

Dob Jonesor whatever and then I'll just say 55 thank you okay and then where am I from I just because I've lived all over the world doing Dolphin Research I just say I'm from God in the

Brian Atlasocean um so there's a lot there uh you said you your study or like it's a a field of study yeah the the cognitive Sciences of dolphin communication is

Dob Joneslike telepathic holographic it's picture talking it's what we all do every day huh wait who who's huh that's so you're

Dob Jonesnot studying the communication between Dolphins you're studying between humans and dolphins and all anals it's telepathic well we have pictures in our

Dob Joneshead like if I say dolphin does anyone have a picture of a dolphin in your head yeah yeah so we telecommunicate all the time and what we do on our phones dolphins and whales have been

Dob Jonesdoing for 50 million years do you speak dolphin that you could talk to them of course can you give us that are there different dialects of dolphin um well the Orca

Dob Joneswhich is the biggest dolphin they have different cultures and they have different dialects and they also have different diets depending on where the orcas live all over the planet that's

Dob Jonesreally cool do they understand English or well all animals picture talk including us like when we think of someone that we really like or visualizing that person a guy or a girl

Dob Jonesand then all the phone rings right that's picture talking that's telecommunicating we just don't do it consciously so dolphins and whales are kind of the kings and queens of

Dob Jonesconscious communication but like if I were to speak English they wouldn't understand they would get your pictures pictures so say when before you our

Dob Jonesimagination makes up pictures right and then we we're thinking about things all the time so we have pictures in our heads and then we words come out sometimes afterwards MH like all day

Dob Joneswe're thinking thoughts and imagining things so that Dolphins can read your mind and so can dogs and so can horses and so can cats that's why if you your dog and cat expect you when you come

Dob Joneshome because you already sent that picture of you coming home would you say that's more body language and timing though well how the dog and cat know you're

Dob Jonescoming home if you're not there right it's picture talking wait so okay uh this is a dating podcast have you had carnal knowledge of

Dob Jonesa dolphin have I had carnal knowledge you mean have I watched them make love no have you dated one have you have I dated

Dob Joneshave you had I've hugged a dolphin and I've watched I've had a mom how long did that should last the hug was like probably 30 seconds and then I I also had a female

Brian Atlasdolphin in the wild in Hawaii come up and show me that she was giving birth which was but you have you have not had cuz I've heard stories I this I'm not making this [ __ ] up true that was That's

AmandaHer Fantasy right there Woman country well we were just talking about that earlier with John C Lily I think you're referring to that that's

Andrew Wilsonno but there's another lady who some got C who a tree there was a lady on the panel who was dating a

Alientree this is this is a wild panel today wait yeah tell us this the story there there's no real story there's just a tree down the street from my house I

Alienthink he's beautiful and I'm dating strange add do you guys make strange addic I kiss my hand and I like put press do you like rub your private parts on the tree you just like hump it still

Deadbeat (Christine)a hospital so I don't think I would be able to you get jealous I would the try to come through and steal your tree I don't think anyone's coming by that tree I might now that you said it I don't

Brian Atlasknow a dog you want to come to Arizona you can we got threeway with the tree later okay uh so not you've not been

Elissa Cheesemanromantic with a uh not doph or tree all right interesting okay uh well what about you she's thought about it hi everyone my name is Elissa I have

Elissa Cheesemannever been in a relationship with a dolphin or a tree uh I have noticed some pretty trees though down my block so I will say that very beautiful so my

Elissa Cheesemansocials are elssa Cheeseman which is my name um I'm from lancry Pennsylvania my only Fan's name is hey it's cheese and I

Elissa Cheesemanrecently graduated with my bachelor's in fashion and design age oh yeah sorry I'm 25 all

Serenaright what about you my name is Serena I'm 21 I'm from South Lake to California I'm currently live in Santa Barbara I'm

Serenaa medical assistant and I'm currently in nursing school all right did you got to you uh UCSB I started out at UCSB during the pandemic but then went back home for

Brian Atlasa little bit and then moved back out and applied to nursing schools is that through the city College Santa Barbera City College no it's with Channel Islands in C okay but you're just taking

Libby Spainlike online classes for that or for nursing or like uh no this is in person yeah okay got it what about you hi I'm Libby Spain I'm from Texas and I'm a

Libby Spainproud Texas Aggie I got a Bachelor's degree in management from Texas A&M University and the uh the emphasis was entrepreneurship I currently have a new

Libby Spainlaunched newly launched company we did a soft launch online bluecrew world.com and it's a line of healthy masculinity 12in dolls for boys that have blue

Libby Spaincollar profession trades and crew crew packs that go with them so yes I'm very excited about that age location I'm just turned

Libby Spain54 last week and I'm from Texas all right happy birthday birthday wait wait wait go back what did you say you made you you what was the doll part that's oh yeah yeah so I have

Libby Spaina new company okay that uh I'm interviewing different manufacturing firms right now and it's a line of 12in dolls that are healthy masculinity athletic physique I was thinking of sex

Libby Spaindolls sorry I know these are for children 12 12 in height dolls and they have different Blue Collar trade profession career packs that go I see I

Libby Spainsee all right welcome everybody and what does the uh what does the plumber come with well the plumber we haven't come out with that pack yet Andrew but it would have different accessories that

Libby Spaincome for the job of a plumber for instance we have a border patrol agent who has an AR-15 a drone and binoculars and then we have a fireman who has a

Andrew Wilsonfire ax a fire you have one um are you going to make the uh 2024 Edition border Patrol agent where they just stand there with a clipboard you know that is actually one

Libby Spainof the reasons why we chose border patrol agent because they're just really revving to do their actual jobs and they're being held back so it's really

Andrew Wilsonfrustrating so we wanted to show some support for them okay Andrew what about you yeah my name is Andrew Wilson I'm the host of The Crucible it's the fastest growing debate Channel on

Andrew WilsonYouTube to my knowledge I'm a political analyst a political s and occasionally like to tangle up in some debates I appreciate everybody coming out to the panel tonight I think it's going to be a lot of fun should be an interesting one should be an

Brian Atlasinteresting one so going around the table once more what is everybody's current relationship status so are you single talking stage situationship Friends with Benefits relationship married poly K sex cult Harum whatever it may be if you're single how long have

Madzillayou been single and what's the longest relationship you've ever been in go ahead well damn um I'm currently single for everyone out there go ahead in the DM no I'm kidding um

MadzillaI big milk gang you got to stay single out here no um I'm I'm straight I like dick but I'm by curious you know um you know and let me think how long have I

Madzillabeen single also also very very subtle I can see that a lot of nuance subtlety about you yeah real subtle um yeah I've only dated like two guys for like 6 months each it was trash super toxic

Madzillawaste of time broke [ __ ] so yeah that's why I'm single and and situationships are fun you know I got a couple friends of benefits out there you know they they T we know yeah we all do

Madzillawe all do wait so long your longest relationship was 6 months no that was the last one oh that was the last one like my longest relationship was like 2 and a half years okay I seem like I always get like tied down in relationships so I've actually been

Brian Atlassingle for a while so it's been fun you know so your most recent relationship was 6 months yeah and it was 6 months ago [ __ ] trash you know who you are [ __ ] what did he do

Madzillaeverything that's trash anything that you could think of that trash is what he did and he was broke like you can't be super trash and have no money it just doesn't work and you're just toxic and immature he just had really good dick so

Madzillawas like you know dized I was dickmatized I know whatever uh we just dated for 6 months but that was it that was about yeah like probably like eight months ago all right okay eight months

Madzillaago uh and the 2.5 year relationship is that the one you have a child with or no my my baby dad we actually only hooked up twice and had a baby but I knew him for like 10 years was one of those situations um but it's working out yeah

Madzillaokay and so uh wait so you you knew him you only met him we knew each other for like 10 years he actually used to sell me weed um but yeah like we ended up I just ended up getting drunk this is when I got on my two and a half year

Madzillarelationship and then I hooked he was like the first person I hooked up with and then of man it's the weed man yeah the weed man and and I don't even get free weed now it sucks you only have one kid yes I have a

Brian Atlas5-year-old okay is he in the picture at all or his dad yeah yeah he's my son's with his dad right now okay got it you guys co-parents but you're not like really you're not dating you're not

TTS donationsinvolved romantically okay does he still sell you weed no okay I guess you can get that for sometimes I could get a couple of Frank tank donated

TTS donations$200 Sal Brian Andrew no fandu Quebec rock on gesture ask the panel would you date Brian hopes the tree lover or

Brian Atlasdolphin talk going to give you love heart all right uh okay we'll ask this really quick just uh yes or no would you date me would I date you sure um I'm not

Brian Atlasyou can say no I won't be I won't be do you have a big dick huh do you have a big dick it might work it's like average medium I could do med it's like average size you know just a regular regular we I [ __ ] with it okay you looked me like

Madzillaright in the eyes and I said that too it was like real personal he's thinking about that would you date me I'll have to talk to you a little longer before I make that assessment so I could okay Bet yeah what about you I take it back then [ __ ] ass sorry

Brian Atlasabsolutely not she's in the trees okay would I date you yeah that's the question solely based on what I've seen what you've seen okay cool what about you real quick real

Andrew Wilsonquick what about the soldier back there to uh to tree lady if I bought Brian a ghillie suit would you date him then no he's not my I don't know if she she do you know what a ghilli suit is what is that she said either way make me like a

Libby Spainbush not quite a tree but I'm closer to a it'll make him look like a shrub snipers wear them I like men you guys know that

Madzillaum it's one tree that BL do you have a natural Bush what the [ __ ] do you shave or not trim okay that's good trim TM is

Brian Atlasgood TM is good orderly uh okay uh Soldier back there yes no you don't drive a stick ah [ __ ] that's kind of sneak this respectfully

Elissa Cheesemanno K so I have no idea who you are so no okay I don't know yet oh she's thinking about you don't know um no I would not

Serenadate you I'm sorry no I feel like you could be my uncle uncle aren't you like Filipino or some [ __ ] I am but you could be married

Libby Spainmy uncle yeah you could be married to my aunt is she single how old is she hook it up well I'm going to have to say I'm going to have to say no I'm happily

Libby Spainmarried and my Alpha husband is a six degree black belt and djit too so I think twins I'm going to stick with that

Brian AtlasI'm a seven degree black Bel in a keto don't mess with him guys all right uh okay we were uh relationship stat

Alienum I'm single but I'm talking to someone right now the tree theide of the tree the tree is it the tree no I haven't seen him in a while it's too hot for that would you date would you date

Brian AtlasDesmond back there who's Desmond who's Desmond oh that guy him what's up is it because he's black no well actually I'm trying to hook cuz he said he told me he only dates black girls and he looks like I'm trying I'm trying to help him out

Brian Atlascuz there's not a lot of black girls in Santa Barbara you know what I mean I haven't been around here long wa stand back up stand back he's 6' 7 280 lb of muscle steel and sex I'm going to have

Aliento decline dude you look like my brother what the [ __ ] well she can't date her I tried I tried Desmond I'm sorry I was trying um okay so you're you're are you actually dating somebody though I'm

Brian Atlastalking to someone right now it's not serious all right how long have you guys been talking maybe a week or two wait this is going to bug me cuz so I have OCD can you Center the paper clip or what is that listen it's going to keep M

Brian Atlascan it be Center you're just going to have to it's like too much it's too much on this side can you just like Center that [ __ ] no I got it Center it oh yes good okay it's going to keep moving you're just going to have to deal with

Alienit I'll keep reminding it he just needs that little do longest relationship uh never the tree never yeah yeah yeah okay you've been with the tree for a while no okay uh all right

Andrew Wilsonwhat about you hey Brian Brian real quick I'm just curious um I is is your new security guard over there the Mazda chick from the other night is that is that the new security guard is Mazda are

Andrew Wilsonyou jealous you weren't hired she she uh yeah that's the girl from Sunday oh yeah she uh yeah she gave the game she gave the game away with the

Deadbeat (Christine)you can't drive a stick yeah not very mysterious um anyways what about you hi so I am 100% single single single single single single single single um I just

Deadbeat (Christine)got out of a 3 and 1/ half year relationship like 4 months ago um prior to that my longest relationship was about 4 and 1/2 years and that was like my high school

Deadbeat (Christine)sweetheart um I tend to have a lot of long-term relationships I've had two four year relationships and then one three and a half year relationship I'm a long-term relationship girly gotcha and what you've been single for how long

Brian Atlaslike three and a half months which is a long time for me and I I sorry I missed it how long was that relation my last uh three and a half years okay and your longest is 4.5

Brian Atlasyes okay got it do you uh have you had a rebound um from my have I had a um yes is any guys in the picture right now nothing not even no not even

Deadbeat (Christine)what about guys at the club you date them no absolutely not I um I'll play but I will never take them serious because they're for everyone cuz you don't play where you get PA they're for

Deadbeat (Christine)the streets they're for everyone in the strip club oh okay I mean for the streets I feel like they're not going to really mess with like a square girl but if they're going to be in the club like that often and they're fine and they got

Deadbeat (Christine)money yeah they're going to be with every single girl in there so I don't really try to dou gotta okay uh going back to you actually really quick I'm going to add this question uh any guys in the picture right

Madzillanow no I mean there's like people that there's like you know honestly I haven't even like like hooked up with anyone in like a while it's kind of like what's a

Madzillawhile a good like six months no dick for me okay so I just basically like fake sell it right now the show well you said your relationship ended 6 months ago so

Madzillaeight months ago my that was it was as long as 6 months but it ended like last year like eight months ago okay so you had a rebound yeah I had one okay it was just a no guys in the picture I mean there's guys that like I'm just like

Madzillabusy there's guys that like I think are like cool or cute or this and that but it's just especially in La It Dating is so [ __ ] trash in La it's like everyone's busy doing a bunch of [ __ ] and you know everyone has like a baby

Madzillamama and three girlfriends and [ __ ] all types of [ __ ] going on they're [ __ ] everybody raw so it's just like a you know rather not all right and have you ever had a roster at any point in your life a roster a roster I always

Brian Atlashave a roster always have do you have a roster that doesn't mean I'm [ __ ] them well yeah but you have a roster right now hell yeah you got a roster okay so there are guys in the picture is like little innocent flirting a little this and that how big is the roster

Madzillaright now um you know it's always probably like a good couple handfuls it's like couple handful like 15 to 30 no couple dozen like two well couple

Brian Atlashandful 10 yeah handful handful couple handfuls are we using fingers anyways uh so okay and what's

Madzillathe biggest the roster ever been like of people like okay when you saying roster though you mean like people like I'm it's not like hooking up but just people that like think so it could it could either be it could be a roster strictly

Brian Atlasof people you're hooking up with or you could also view it I'm like a one dick at a time type of person one One PP at a Time One PP at a Time One PP at a time

Brian Atlasokay and uh okay so you've never there's never been any crossover no dick Crossing no PP Crossing maybe like once or twice but not really all right so

Madzillathen just cuz like once I like once we [ __ ] like we're in love and we go together you know what I mean the first time we go together real bad yeah okay yeah and so real bad as far as the roster goes if we're just using that

Brian Atlasterm in the sense of just people you're talking to what's the biggest the roster's ever been I can't deal with too too much at once I probably lied about a couple handfuls but I don't know maybe

Madzillalike maybe realistically more like a handful of just like potential flirting slowly dating going you know okay that's about it all right it's pretty boring my life is pretty boring with the dating

Alienworld and I'm just curious what's your uh ethnicity I am Irish Italian French and Native American got it okay ever had

Brian Atlasa roster me um yes or no I have hoes you have hoes I used to yes how many hoes at the

Brian Atlasmost ho-ish ho at the most hoes have you hoed how many what's the most amount of hoes you've had ever HED like six or

Alienseven at one point like and like hooking up with not like all at the same time because it was like during Co and blah

Alienblah blah but okay yeah so 6 to S hoes yeah okay not anym so basically one hoe for each day of the week I like like

Deadbeat (Christine)almost yeah I like that like underwear roster do I don't currently have a roster I don't currently have anyone to talk to it's been about like that for like 30 days I just I've been really

Deadbeat (Christine)busy with work and haven't had time to connect with people have I had a roster of course um throughout my entire life I'm sure or the times I've been single I've had rosters my craziest roster was with like four Dudes at one time but

Deadbeat (Christine)they all knew about each other and I was smashing two of them and they were all paying my bills the same time that's a good that wait one bill for each like one bill that they could handle for their job and how much they were making

Deadbeat (Christine)like maybe one guy had like a phone bill but the other one had rent so it would just be like what they could afford and I was in both of them but they knew about it and I tried to have a threesome so many times but they literally hated

Brian Atlaseach other for no reason I'm like why can't we all be friends what okay wait could I have you scoot your mic this way just a bit uh no like scoot it over more more more more more more and then pull

Brian Atlasit there we go thank you thank you wait so okay um four guys but only two of them you're hooking up with the other two at any point in the future in the past had you hooked up with them or they

Deadbeat (Christine)were just one of I did hook up with like years like like maybe four years prior to this um the other one was just genuinely my friend but it was very like an emotional like connection talking

Deadbeat (Christine)often and spending a lot of time with each other but it was just more of a respect thing to not smash for respect for myself but so so two of them you were hooking up with but they were all uh they all knew about each other would

Deadbeat (Christine)you categorize them as sugar daddies no no they were all like similar in age they were really really cute really really nice they just couldn't afford me individually so they kind of all agreed to like Hey we're going to take on this

Brian Atlaswe're going take as long as they can just be wa was this like a was there a group chat no there wasn't a group chat like there was a council we be F they were the council well you said they all agreed to cover but like you mean

Brian Atlaswouldn't you say I maybe that's the case but wouldn't it be more so the case that you would just have them pay whatever they could whatever they wanted to whatever they want and they were all aware of each other and they were all

Deadbeat (Christine)aware of each other we FaceTime together hang like we would never hang out together as a group but if I was with one and one would call and like oh I'm with this person or I'm with this person like it was fun and you mention you tried to get a threesome I tried to get

Madzillaa threesome with two of them didn't work it did not work they ended up becoming like Nemesis like Arch enemies I like damn they wait if you do a threesome with two dud do you mean like you like [ __ ] him at the same time you know wait

Brian Atlashave you ever ever had a three they're not into like if dudes and I don't see how that would you had with two guys and girls I've had or okay you've had a lot

Brian Atlasokay and so wait question so were the guys who weren't sleeping with you who were paying for your stuff were they aware that you said they all knew about yeah they they knew I wasn't I wasn't going to smash out there was reasons

Deadbeat (Christine)there was specific reasons why I wouldn't smash out the other two okay but so and were these guys you were the other two guys from the club um actually

Deadbeat (Christine)the two guys that I wasn't smashing was they were from the club I did meet both of them at the club yeah gotcha and so but you don't categorize them as sugar daddies how would you they are my friends I know they're like younger so I

Brian Atlasthey weren't young one wasn't young one was like your age right you said they one was like about 40 the other three were my age okay so what do you call that like a guy who just pays for your

Brian Atlasstuff my homie my my bestie my dude okay and have you had a lot of guys throughout your life who have done that sort of thing they'll just pay your bills pay for things yeah okay how many do you think I think every single one of

Deadbeat (Christine)them I think that people come into my life expecting that they're going to do that they come into your life expecting to pay yeah huh okay 100% the energy of

Brian Atlasthat's what I attract I feel so what is the uh biggest one-time gift it could either be monetary or maroli how much is

Brian Atlasthat um I think it was 36 it was 36 at the time okay it's real right yeah you want to check it I I I believe you just uh so 36,000 that was a gift from one of

Deadbeat (Christine)the was it one of the four guys or no this was another person that I never smashed out that he was just like so amazing and yeah I

Brian Atlaswanted if uh what's the most total a guy's spent on you if you had to

Deadbeat (Christine)estimate that's hard because it's like in one sitting over time like total so over if you were seeing for a year in total um honestly ly probably not that

Deadbeat (Christine)much I think maybe like 150,000 not that much 150,000 okay just something real low guys that's that's pretty good that's that's the one time or like time

Deadbeat (Christine)three and a half years okay and then what was the biggest one time or no you this is the biggest one time thing that

Deadbeat (Christine)I got but over time I think between cash gifts and trips I think maybe 150 200 I would probably put it there and then

Brian Atlastotal so toal all the guys all the gifts all the money you think how how much you think they're over a mill oh oh my God that's crazy

Deadbeat (Christine)um if I had my phone I could probably do some math but um maybe like 800,000 over time I would say okay and but over a SP

Deadbeat (Christine)of like since I started dancing so I would say from the age of 22 to 30 like around there okay so just sh mil but that's but I'm saying like literally

Deadbeat (Christine)like gifts and [ __ ] like gifts and trips and cash and like I'm talking about all everything all together multiple people contributing to this like this isn't just one person doing I'm talking about like there's a lot of people

Brian Atlascontributing to this number and you wouldn't you're not counting in that like the money you make from dancing right no okay that's that's like separate okay this is just from what do you call the are the are they called uh tricks is that what they're called I

Deadbeat (Christine)don't I don't know they my friends okay I don't know I don't know the yeah no they're tricks y'all tricks [ __ ] no [ __ ] you know that okay do you have any tricks currently no because I was in this freaking relationship for three and

Deadbeat (Christine)a half years and I just came out on the streets I'm like 3 months fresh out this [ __ ] like later after the podcast yeah we I'm going hang out out here see what I can okay yeah a lot of wealthy guys in

Libby SpainSanta Barbara so old money we're trying to get that where to go Christina I want I was curious what's the largest amount you've ever spent on a man okay see this is a good question because I do be

Deadbeat (Christine)blowing I have to spend money on them if they're not if they're going to spend money on me right okay so the most I spent on a man I would probably say like

Deadbeat (Christine)$8,000 on like one time was it a gift yeah it was multiple GI who the trick now so many gifts it was did he appreciate it oh my God yeah but that was the person that was really like

Deadbeat (Christine)really taking care of me you know so I'm going to take care of him and I also think that it's important to validate those men that are spending money R Us taking off even if you go to dinner and get them a thank you card for that like

Deadbeat (Christine)that means more than not saying anything right so it's like it's gracious it's gracious it's like validating and I know on the internet everyone's like oh don't buy men gifts no no no if this guy is taking care of you and it's his birthday

Deadbeat (Christine)you better show out if you don't show out for his birthday or for Christmas that's disrespectful also for Valentine's Day especially if he's taking care of your finances and like maybe your nails or your hair like I

Deadbeat (Christine)would say if he's spending $100 on you then you send spend $20 on him if he's spending 500 on you maybe spend 100 on him right it's it's like a show you're appreciate you appreciate what he's doing you know what I mean my problem is

Andrew WilsonI just spend too much money on them and I don't get [ __ ] back Lear de over here I'll never spend money on somebody who has you're saying is that when they show up unless my girlfriend to do the deed you have a

Andrew Wilsoncash back program that's basically what was that you say you have a cash back program yeah this is their 1% cash back yeah yeah you get a 10% if it well if

Andrew Wilsonit's 800 right or 100 to 1,000 so it's 10% so you have a 10% cash back program I like that for your tricks pretty much all right yeah cool that sounds like a

Amandagreat deal I like that or one free lap dance just one relationship status um I am in a relationship um um it is my

Amandalongest relationship currently uh almost 4 years wow okay four years all right and if I recall correctly it's an age Gap relationship

Amandacorrect yes what's the age Gap um well when we first started dating I was 20 and he was 34 and now he's about to be 38 and I'm 24 all right we'll get it

Brian Atlasmaybe we'll touch on age Gap stuff uh in a little bit but all right how did you guys meet it's a long story I sent you the DM yeah

Brian Atlaslet me just pull it up really quick just so I know you want to talk about that story well okay so we won't go into the details but you on the first date you

Brian Atlasguys did DMT together oh [ __ ] yeah yeah okay that's always the was that was that your uh first time ever doing DMT or

Amandapsychedelics not my first time with psychedelics um first time DMT it was so it was the first time I broke through with DMT oh you saw the machine elves

Amandadid you see the little machine elves did you see them I did not know I had a different experience than that I've heard oh I'm sorry okay and you said

Brian Atlasthat uh so you guys tripped and then something about twin flames I hate the term because I feel

Amandalike in our society today um the it's so misconstrued sced and distorted where there's this like I wouldn't say

Amandawesternized view of what that is so I see it on a pure um Soul complex level spirit level we're all one Consciousness level a lot of people go into it with

Amandalike astrology and all this like mainstream spiritual stuff that I don't I don't align fully with I do in

Amandasome ways I do but I feel like there's a different or deeper meaning to it than what is portrayed in the our basically is your twin flame so this is a DMT talk

Madzillaand she's getting all super yeah wait did you guys hook up on DMT though no no I was just wondering how that crazy that would be no we didn't hook up for like a

Brian Atlasvery like months all right uh and then I think we asked you a question in terms of how you I don't know if it was your political alignment you said other SL

Amandaneutral I just stuck with neutral that's okay so you're a political or it was more just to stay neutral in the

Amandaconversation all right and you mentioned telepathy yes [ __ ] what don't look at me in the um it's hard to give an example of that so I mentioned that in there to

Madzillajust like throw it in uh the example of it would just be being able to it sounds so crazy on cuz the drugs man she did DNT now she could [ __ ] see brain

Amandatalk I believe but with me and him personally yes we've had telepathic experiences like being able to wake each other up through telepathy and with just

Amandahim or other people just me and him okay yeah cuz of the DMT well no she's talking about the connection between the two through the experience like even now

Amandaif can you telepath right now with him I no I it's not it's never like a conscious thought to do that I mean it has been the past but like not now you

Amandacan't control it I mean I mean I could if I wanted to in some form or another sometimes like as a joke if he's like so I work in the art studio downstairs cuz

Amandawe're both artists so um and he'll like be sleeping and I'll telepathically wake him up and he'll like come downstairs not like I just woke you up like haha so

Amandayou have this amazing gift of telepathy and you're an alarm clock essentially I wouldn't say it's a gift I feel everyone has the ability to be telepathic all

AmandaSpiritual Beings having Human Experience and that ability is not some gift it's an inherent part of one's being have you ever tathy is yeah have you ever had

Amandathat connection with someone else or just not with not in um like a relationship form no how many times have you done

AmandaDMT I'm not sure or just like in general I don't know what does broken through mean like actually she went to the moon to the Moon Yeah like actually experien

Amandaa I'm a little naive what is DMT dimethyl tryptamine it's p basically opening up other parts of your brain that you don't use yes expanding your

Madzillaawareness yeah exactly liquid drink that's what I was going to say so you think that this you know you being telepathic it does it stem from the drugs that you've done with like the trippy psychedelic type drugs you think

Madzillait's Happ you into being psychedelic or you always felt like since you were younger that you had that kind of you know um I started doing psychedelics when I

Amandawas 16 years old so I'm not sure yeah you're tapped in she's tapped this yeah I get do you uh do you micro do uh not currently I haven't done mushrooms in 2 years after my last mushroom trip I

Brian Atlashaven't done them all right yeah I mean you can micro do with other ones right anyways moving things on uh just going back to you a little bit uh roster did I ask if you about the roster I don't have a roster currently ever had a

Brian Atlasroster I have big we talked about it already we that terrible memory uh ever had a roster I don't believe so I barely know what that like talking

Andrea Vasqueztalking to multiple guys at the same time dating multiple guys at the same time no orientation um straight okay what about

Andrea Vasquezyou so so can we run back the question again yeah relationship status okay so currently single um the last time I I was in a relationship was like 3ish

Brian Atlasyears ago so you've been single for 3 years yeah longest relationship I would say like three and a half years almost four all right four years and uh let's see so in the three years

Brian Atlasyou've been single there's been any has there been anything shorter term there has been like Friends with Benefits okay how how many of those a couple I would

Brian Atlassay like three three okay yeah and what so in the three years you've been single what's the longest I guess Friends with Benefits that you've had so yeah usually

Andrea Vasquezwhen that's a situation it's just that one person there's not like multiple so I like it'll be that one person um the longest time with that yeah probably

Andrea Vasquezlike 6 months to a year maybe and there's no guys in the picture right now no nothing no not a sneaky link no we we currently just moved so we're like

Andrea Vasqueztrying to redo the house renovate the house I have no time okay with like two jobs and going to school so no okay have no time for and you two are

Amandasisters yes I don't see it he'll get it one day I kind of look like my dad a lot like they would make uh jokes when we were younger that like my mom moves with the

Brian Atlasmailman but my dad is a mailman true oh so it's like a joke but they were married it was all that but interes there's no way I'm sorry you guys are you guys are not related you

Madzillagot got get DNA test look at the little detail you got to get a DNA test you saw our ID both they talk you both have what our last names are both Basquez on our IDs you saw it that doesn't really mean much nowadays you can there's so many

Madzillawomen that literally will like hook up with somebody else and just act like it's their dude's [ __ ] baby and like they'll never get a test and you just never many people out here have like that your dad is not really your dad

Andrea Vasquezthat's crazy well what if this could yeah the thing is it's I would say here's the thing like with genetics right like you're not going to get an exact amount right so you're you're I

Andrea Vasquezknow I actually one time I went into an Uber one time and he was like oh your last name is Vasquez like I have a daughter who looks just like you and he had he was like first language Spanish

Andrea Vasquezand he was like I have a daughter looks just like you and my wife is like his wife was like full white but his other child would look like like aanda

Andrea Vasquezso it's not like an you know distribution of but it's also a real thing that it could also not be share the same parents so you have the same

Elissa Cheesemanmom and dad yes 100% we do as their cousin I can verify these two are siblings also she if you saw my if you

Brian Atlassaw my dad and my mom you could see the resemblances in both of us like both of them and us okay all right anyways uh okay a hard time had a

Andrea Vasquezroster oh um so you mean like a runner up type system like like dating multiple people at the same time um no okay not in like

Elissa Cheesemana you mean like a Friends with Benefits type thing not like cheating right like I don't know what the question I don't think we really call it like a roster like I can't remember the word but like I don't think we call it a

Andrea Vasquezroster if you mean like a like a like a bench system like on the bench I would say yes I think like everyone kind of I would say like you have potential one one sec go ahead I

Andrea Vasquezwould say yeah there's like potentials there could be potentials but not like not like actively like messing physically intimately with like multiple

Dob Jonespeople maybe talking to you know okay what about you um currently single okay and for the last 10 years I've been living on an island in the middle of the Pacific doing my Dolphin Research

Dob Jonesthere's not a lot of um I guess potential people which island Channel Islands Maui oh I used to live wait there's a not not a lot of people well they're coming there I don't mess around

Dob Joneswith married men the population like 100,000 I thought it was not yeah I haven't dated for a long time she might marry a dolphin that's true um yeah celibate for a long time how long you

Dob Jonesbeen CIB for almost nine years damn but do you like masturbate she was not ready for that one exercise exercise yeah I exercise she exercise it do you find Dolphins

Elissa Cheesemanphysically attractive well they're my family but get this lady a Dolphin vibrator that's what you need Dolphin vibrator GI that would be a great actually somebody watching want to send her a little dolphin gift maybe we're going to set

Dob Jonesthat up I have a podcast coming out too it's called the playroom we're going to get you on there kind of like was that one show with the um let's see it was the one with um I can't even think of it

Dob Jonesthat the older women that made the vibrators for the elderly Community oh I have no idea know what that is oh so funny wait so longest relationship you've ever been in 3 years years with

Brian Atlasan aie with an I used to live in Australia okay and any kids ever married no no kids this married my animal work okay and uh

Dob Jonesare you doing your work through like an organization or is this just your own thing um independent research I am a member of the Explorer Club so you get nominated into it like Jane Goodall or

Dob Jonessylv Earl or um but it's been independent and I've been doing it since I was 14 so you're not um you're not a scientist I study marine biology and art

Dob Jonesso I combine the Arts with science because that's the only way you can figure scientific equations out like there's a science behind telepathy

Andrew Wilsonthat's why military does undercover stuff who's yeah I mean that's true but the military itself after it Declassified its documentation on its

Andrew Wilsontelepathic uh programs said that it was bunk that it didn't work CIA class thousands of programs on this especially during the Cold War it didn't work and they're lying because that's how and your evidence that they're lying is

Dob Joneswhat that you made it up I mean what's your actual evidence that they're lying because there's a lot of evidence about how they actually did locating through there's lots of programs that

Dob Joneshaven't been talked about like there's a mammal program that is top secret and I've been friends with people who worked on different wait there's a so is there is

Dob Jonesthere a government dolphin program it's called mammals is it top secret or um well not I mean not really because I'm talking about it but there's people who

Andrew Wilsonhave worked on Black Op Crews and in the military because I've lived a long time well I mean that's true dolphins have been used in Warfare for a long time and in the idea of using animals and warfare

Andrew Wilsonis one of the oldest methods of warfare so there's no doubt that animals are going to be included in research and warfare there's just like there's no doubt that that's true okay so did you see the movie staring at Goats The Men

Andrew WilsonWho Stare at Goats yeah yeah where they were clearly making fun of these guys who had absolutely no psychic abilities whatsoever but were gas lit by the military and believing that they did

Dob Joneswell there's other I've experienced situations that I've I guess I know that it's true so I don't need to prove

Andrew Wilsonmyself I haven't have you have you ever heard of a of a man named The Amazing Randy no the amazing Randy was a magician very very skilled magician and

Andrew Wilsonwhat he did was he went around and he disproved psychic frauds that's what his entire mission in life was because he was such a skilled magician he was able to see when people were making things up when they weren't so he issued the $1

Andrew Wilsonmillion Foundation or the $1 million prize from his foundation for anybody who could actually demonstrate any sort of psychic ability whatsoever can you guess how many have been able to

Andrew Wilsonsuccessfully do that probably one two zero zero not not one not all the applicants have has anybody ever been able to demonstrate uh even a little bit

Andrew Wilsonnot even with a shred of evidence that they have any type of extra sensory perception or psychic abilities you mean ESP yeah extra sensory perception that's

Dob Jonescorrect wait there was an article written about me in 1997 with the reporter coming down to the ocean and said can you call them the

Dob JonesDolphins and I said what's the author's name um well it was when the Santa Barbara the News Press was still alive do you know what the title is of the

Dob Jonesarticle um Barry was the reporter and met an a Barry Barry yeah and I forget his last name but he came down to the

Dob Jonesbeach it was off of peda Lane and he said can you call in the Dolphins I said I'll try it's a request that I'll put out and I said it takes 10 to 15 minutes

Dob Jonesfor them to appear and so I put the request out 10 to 15 minutes a whole group of dolphins came and I went into the water to swim with them so then an article came out in the newspaper but

Dob Jonesbefore I spoke with him I never used to share the telepathic talking with animals stories with anyone but this was in the 9s right and I had come back from

Dob JonesAustralia and then he came up I used to work for the Dream Foundation I don't know if you are familiar with it but it's like make a wish except for adults that have less than 2 years so he came

Dob Jonesup to me and said what was your life like in Australia and New Zealand and I said oh I you know used to interact and swim with dolphins wild dolphins every day and talk with animals and I thought everyone talked with animals and then so

Andrew Wilsonhe asked me let's go down to the beach and see if you can do it so then a newspaper article came out on it well you can you can understand though that out of the all of the possible explanations like perhaps you knew the

Andrew Wilsontime that these Dolphins generally came out perhaps there was all sorts of other reasons why this could have occurred the one that we're supposed to default to is that you were sending telepathic messages into their brains and so they

Andrew Wilsonknew to come to you right that's like you can understand why people would be highly skeptical of that right well people are just skeptical because they're afraid to believe I mean overall people just want to be Skeptics because

Andrew Wilsonif they believed then the world would be a magical place well if people believed in things without evidence the world would be a terrible place wouldn't it what if everyone did DMT though what about allegory you think

Amandathat makes a difference what about tath the allegory of the cave yeah what about the allegory of the cave well when he went out and saw the world and brought it back to everyone else he was murdered

Andrew Wilsonbecause they didn't believe him and they said no that can't be so he was murdered because of that yeah that's true exactly I don't I don't I don't understand how that plays into your

Elissa Cheesemanpoint because she's talking about I think how you were like basing your lack of belief in her well it's just like

Dob Jonesfaith faith is not on evidence faith is something that's you know we're governed by invisible energies if we just talk

Dob Jonesscience for a moment we're dealing with gravities we sit on these chairs and not floating around because we're affected by an invisible energy yeah but that's not because you have faith in gravity but I'm saying whe you had faith in

Dob Jonesgravity or you did not have hang on let me ask you this if you had zero faith in gravity would you still be in that chair the it's not Faith isn't isn't part of a science method just like

Andrew Wilsontelepathy I don't have to have faith no faith is a part of the scientific method absolutely it's a it's a constructed method you have to have faith that it works that is true you don't know until

Dob Jonesyou've actually discovered something that it's actually real because I'm kind of a doubting Thomas so until these circumstances happen like me going to the zoo and asking the snow leopard like

Andrew Wilsonhow are you doing and she said well that's a silly question how do you think I'm doing I'm bored lonely and I miss but you realize that there could be there's an easy way that you could demonstrate this that comes to my head

Andrew Wilsoninstantly like the easiest way in the world would be to go to a veterinarian's office and not have any of the animals diagnosed and ask the animal where it hurts and when the animal told you where it hurt you could then tell the doctor

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