Pregnancy WORSE Than War?! 300+ Body Count?! $1,000,000 To Date Her?! Andrew W! | Dating Talk #243

Date: 2025-05-19

Duration: 8h 55m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SShannon Davey >

NNatalie Stavola >

AAndrew Wilson >

GGabby (Michigan)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Gabby (Michigan)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalie Stavola(guest)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Shannon Davey(guest)

SPEAKER_11Guidance(guest)

SPEAKER_13Joey(guest)

SPEAKER_14Wu (Cassie)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced including Wu (8 languages, PhD linguistics)

Key MomentGuidance: engaged after 6-week courtship. 3 prior marriages. Shunned from JW.

Key MomentNatalie: 8-year sobriety anniversary today (cocaine/alcohol). 300+ body count.

Key MomentAndrew's infinite regress argument on trans identity: if partner has penis and you perform oral, by your definition that's gay

OtherAndrew Wilson departs to sleep before next day debate

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Shannon, Guidance, Natalie, Joey, Gabby, Wu, Felicity, Andrew Wilson.

Octopus Water Incident

Water smells fishy. Brian blames Costco octopus contaminating fridge.

Body Count Discussion

Andrew's grimy dude multiplier. 10 ONS vs 10 failed LTRs trolley problem.

Bow Video and Submission

Brian shows ex bowing. Panel asked if they would bow. Wu: 3x/week max.

Minimum Income Round

Shannon $100-150K. Guidance $300K. Natalie $300K+. Joey $75K. Wu $36K/yr.

Transgender Identity Debate

Guidance: wrong to refuse trans people solely for being trans. Andrew's infinite regress on defining 'woman.'

Body Count Reveals

Felicity 2. Guidance 27. Shannon declined. Natalie 300+. Gabby 2.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonwith pop culture references. Probably. Probably. I might be making this up and I might be completely wrong, but I'm standing by it. Why is everybody up from the table? I I don't know. Oh, this must be one at a time. Because they had

SPEAKER_01[ __ ] melted ice cream. They're trying to wipe their hands off, bro. Oh, you're good, babe. All right. All right. Okay. Let's get into it. Can I have a slave, please? Um, you seem

Joeylike you were very good at that before. You know what? It's not full of me being a mom. I got the mom instinct in. Oh, you're a mom. I am a mom. So, I collect all the hun, let me pick up your plates because that's what you do. Are you done with your ice cream? I'm done. Yeah.

Brian AtlasOkay. I can't wait. I got you guys. Not a big fan of the sweets. Thanks, buddy. All right. You know, it gets in your beard. It's no good. Okay, guys. You tasting vanilla the whole night, chat. We're gonna get

Brian Atlasright. We're gonna get into some good stuff. All right. Can uh Mary, get on the computer, please. All right. We're gonna do a quick react, then we're going to do I need everybody back at the table,

SPEAKER_01though. Is Hello. All right. Uh so guys, I'm going to have you react to this. This show Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, hang on. Before you do that, sit down.

Andrew WilsonWhere's the [ __ ] hat? It's right here. Yeah, it's not on. It's not working. Yeah, there we go. Can somebody get the propeller spinning, please? Yeah. Yeah. There we go. There. Okay.

Brian AtlasNow you can There you go. Uh, could you take that water off the table there? Just leave it on the side or something. All right, Mary, pull up the react on the table. Oh, wait.

Brian AtlasYeah, we're going to react to this. This went viral on Twitter. Uh, this is this guy's Tinder profile. Um, why are you already laughing? The fit. What the [ __ ] Why are you already laughing? No, you ain't

Andrew Wilsonlaughing about the fish. No, I am. You're foolish. Yeah, I really was laughing because the fish is [ __ ] bullshitting too big. Are we rating profiles? I'm not sure what we're doing here. So, okay. Well, let me explain it.

Brian AtlasLet me explain it. So, there's this app called Tinder Insights and you can input your Tinder data and he'll pop out your like swipes, whatever. So, he swiped two

Brian Atlasmillion I'll repeat that. Two million times. He uh right swiped. Yeah. 2

Brian Atlasmillion. He matched with 2,000 only 2,000 women. He he chatted with 1,200 of

Brian Atlasthem. He went on one singular date that led to nothing. So 2 million Wow. swipes for nothing.

Andrew WilsonHang on. I got to ask a question here. Sure. Go ahead. Go ahead. If it is the case that this poor bastard did this, I I still want to go fishing with him. Like would the whatever podcast

SPEAKER_01link with the Crucible so we can go fishing with this [ __ ] guy. Who is he? Find him. Who the [ __ ] cares? Let's go fishing. Oh, you just I thought you wanted to go fishing with him. Yeah, I want to go fishing with him. I thought you just wanted Okay. Yeah, we'll do it.

Brian AtlasLet's do it. We got to find the guy though. We got to find the guy. That's really sweet. We got to find the guy. Christopher Murphy Streamlabs doesn't process Amex communist chair five. Chair 3 is muted. Chair is Do you know how to Do you know how to mute Mary? You've already been gone for like You know

Brian Atlaswhat? She has some self-control. I think she can self mute. Yeah. Can you self mute for 15 minutes? So it's 9 uh 50. Mary, let us know when 15 minutes. Oh my god. Shut up. [ __ ] ridiculous. 15

Brian Atlasminutes. That's all we asked for. 15 minutes. Holy [ __ ] All right. Uh [Laughter] uh so ladies

Joeyreaction to the the little thing I just showed you. It's really shitty. Dating apps are terrible. I think for finding your like let's be for real. Wait, this

Brian Atlasalmost remember the conversation we had earlier when it came to like uh dating easier for or have getting sex easier for women. So let's pull it back up really quick.

Brian AtlasLook, that's a really big fish, by the way. Look, he's uh honestly, here's the thing. His female

Brian Atlasequivalent. She'd be a massive [ __ ] Huge [ __ ] 100 plus body count. This poor guy swipes two million times. Nothing. Nothing. Was he in the

Joeyfishing boat, you think? Was he in a fishing boat when he was two million [ __ ] times, dude? That's Can you imagine doing this two million? It does say like five and a half years. I mean,

SPEAKER_01if you're swipe, I saw the the time there. One date after five and a half years. No, that's why dating. You're not paying attention. What the [ __ ] It didn't say one date. He went on one

Brian Atlasdate. One date, but that was it. And maybe I'm not paying attention. He's It's the alcohol. Uh-huh. Uh, we'll go with that. There was one date, but there was no spark. So, I'm assuming

Brian Atlaslike he went on the date, but it didn't go anywhere, right? Two [ __ ] million times. Two million times. These fish photo.

Brian AtlasYou You think you like the fish photo? Look, I'm about to say this, right? I'm about to say this. Y'all saying it's the fish, right? Here would maybe be the equivalent for a dude. So, you're a

Brian Atlaswhite woman with like multiple in your bio. Wait, why you making it racial, bro? Cuz he's I feel like it's appropriate. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. That checks. Go ahead. Actually, I probably Thank you for that. I I would

Brian Atlasbring it there. You have a woman. A woman with There we go. Uh she's got a Tinder profile with three kids in her photos and she's like, "Yo, I got three separate baby daddies. I'm looking for

Brian Atlasthe fourth." Like I think in women's minds like that would be the equivalent for uh the fish photo except you can just

Shannon Daveydump hang on. In Brian's defense in Brian's defense that woman would get way more dates. That's what I'm saying. Way more dates. Maybe for the wrong reasons.

FelicityI think women just want like that's kind of like an inside thing between women. Like if a guy has a fish photo, I feel like a lot of I've heard a lot of women talk about how they wouldn't go for a

Felicityguy if he has like fish photos on his Instagram. Why? Not me, but I just have heard that. I think it's just like Yeah. It's like an ongoing need. It's like kind of like a joke. Yeah. Why? I don't know. What the hell is wrong

Shannon Daveywith so Did you see the size of the fish? That was not common. Impressive. It's an impressive fish. Impressive fish to be able to reel in. He can reel in the

SPEAKER_12fish. just instantly you're like, "Oh, this guy likes fishing. [ __ ] this guy." No. Like, what the [ __ ] did he do? Like, you have only so many. It's too much. You know what, too? That guy looks like the type who catches the fish and then

Andrew Wilsonreleases it. He does look like See, I'm the [ __ ] type of prick. I pull up those giant fish and I'm like, I ain't putting it back. [ __ ] you. I'm not. There's no way I'm putting that back. What are you going to do with that big ass fish? Well, I

Andrew Wilsonjust feel like you get it. I'm not going to even do anything with it. But it's mine. You see how it's like it's mine though. So I'm like I don't need to do anything with it. It's [ __ ] I caught it. It's [ __ ] mine. That's how that's

Shannon Daveysupposed to work. Take a photo with it and then post it on a dating app. It's It's kind of It's like a hobby. It's like their hobby. They're expressing their hobby. They like fishing. We're taking that guy out for fishing trip. Let's do it. The Crucible is taking that guy out for a fishing trip. Also, can we

Brian Atlasdo this on I don't know if you saw this on Twitter. Uh, it's not dating related, but this poor kid like looked like a nine or 10 year old got beat up in a

SPEAKER_01playground by like a couple Shiloh. Shiloh. Huh? Shiloh. Shiloh. No, nothing. No, no, no. Oh, Shiloh. Shiloh. No, no, no. It was this poor kid, like a

Brian Atlaslittle chubby chubby kid. He got like uh some kids were making fun of him or they were throw I forgot. Were they throwing rocks at his dog or I forgot. I forgot what it was. And then these kids, he

Brian Atlasconfronted them and then one kid jumped him and then another it was like a twoon-one and he was all bleeding and [ __ ] We I I kind of want to do something for that kid. If anybody who's know watching who knows what it is,

Brian Atlaswhatever. Uh and then a bunch of like people on Twitter saw and all these MMA fighters offered them like uh jiu-jitsu lessons and stuff. So we can maybe back

Brian Atlassome of those MMA fighters up if they help this kid out. Yes, I saw that. That was that little Portland kid who was in a fair fight and they got knocked out from behind. It wasn't even a fair

Brian Atlasfight cuz the first one is a cheap shot and then another kid came in and the other cheap shot totally [ __ ] up and he was crying. It was cheap. It was sad.

Brian AtlasUm, so at least fight fair, you know. Yeah, oneon-one. It's stupid. Uh, Mary, pull it back up really quick. Here's what we're going to do. The panel. I want you guys to give him a looks rating

Brian Atlason a scale of 1 to 10. And don't lie. Don't [ __ ] look. Starting with you. Give him a looks rating scale of 1 to 10. I think he's an attractive guy. I would say like [ __ ] love. Am I allowed to say seven for them? We can't

Shannon Daveysay seven for ourselves, but can I say that for him? You going to go on a date with him? I am taken. But if I was single, honestly, I I'd be interested.

Andrew WilsonIf I ever single, he's someone I would have swiped. You know what? You know what I feel like? I feel like because you got the backstory here that if I see what Brian should have done just pulled this up and said, "What do you rate

Andrew Wilsonhim?" I think it would have been a two. But because you have the backstory, you don't want to feel like there's pressure on you or like you would be a monster. I would give him a two. I mean to other women I know he he might be a two, but I

Brian Atlasmean you see what I'm saying, Ryan? I feel like I'm not lying. I would tell the truth. If the story wasn't told, the ratings would be different. It's true. What do you rate him on a scale of one

Brian Atlasto 10? Oh, he's like a six. Oh, dude. Six. Yeah. Oh, is the mute? Oh, I guess we gota skip it. Okay. Party. I give him the three. The roof.

SPEAKER_12The three. Okay. I think people are going to judge me. I give him a three. Probably like four or five. Okay. He looks like he gives good hugs. I don't know why that about to hear, but okay. I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow. He looks like a sweetheart. Do does anybody rate based on hugs? I do. No, you come on. I love me a [ __ ] break. Oh, you know what? I can't wait to go. He looks like

Andrew Wilsonhe gives good hug. Are we writing strictly on looks though? Because I can take personality, but we're just writing on just looks and what you saw. You are swiping. I don't know whichever way

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] women swipe on these apps, but you come across this, you see him. Which way you swiping? I don't know. The the next. Yeah, exactly. I don't know. Left or right?

FelicityUh, what do you rate him? I would say four. Four. Okay. He's kind of nerdy. I like nerds, but I give him like a five. Give him a five.

Andrew WilsonOkay. You like hugs? A [ __ ] hugs person. You know what I do? He looks like he's a really good hugger. No, man. Does Brian, does any

Andrew Wilsonman ever want to hear you look like you give great hugs? Does anybody Oh, come on. That's terrible. Why is that a bad thing? Why is that a bad thing? Cuz what the man wants to hear is like, "You look like you plant my face in the pillow."

Shannon DaveyThey don't want to hear, "Oh, you look like you give good [ __ ] hugs." Imagine me. Imagine me opening. I want you you sounds friendzy. It's like a woman. It does sound friendzone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01It's like a woman saying he he would make a great husband. Yeah, that's brutal. Oh, wait. That's not a compliment.

Andrew WilsonNo, it all has to be Because what that because what that sounds like is like I wouldn't I wouldn't [ __ ] you, but you do seem like you're good husband material, so I will [ __ ] you. So, but don't men

Joeykind of judge that way too? Like that looks like a whatever. I'm going to try for that. I'm going to [ __ ] her, but I want to marry this girl cuz she looks like a good I think that men's criteria and what they want in a wife is way less

Andrew Wilsonthan what the criteria is for what women want. So, no. No. Well, it's it's not just a matter of looks. I think that men look for maternal instinct. Okay. I think that they're looking for like

Andrew Wilsonwomen who could be really good mothers for their kids. So like if I were to see you and I saw the tats and this and that, I'd be again, no offense, but I'd instantly make the presupposition,

Andrew Wilsonyou're going to be a [ __ ] terrible mom. [ __ ] that [ __ ] But my priority is also children, right? Um other men might look at you and think, "Ah, it should be

Andrew Wilsona fun ride." Right? Okay. literally amusement park, fun ride. The question becomes this though. If for if you know kind of like all things equal, I think

Andrew Wilsonthat men's standards for what they're looking for in wives is a much lower standard than what wives are looking for for husbands. It's like what are you looking

Andrew Wilsonfor if you had perfect husband? Are you married right now? I'm I'm single right now. I wasn't single. So let's go. Perfect husband versus perfect wife. What does that look like? Perfect

Joeyhusband versus perfect wife. Yeah. So, your perfect husband is what? Um I think that that's somebody who is a provider, not just for myself,

Joeybut for the family, the house, the provider. The provider is a Sure. Um somebody who is leading by example. Somebody who's looking out for us to maybe correct us. That would be strong moral character, right? Yes. Strong

Joeymoral character. Strong moral character and provider. What next? um somebody who provides some um emotional uh support in that sense I think because I also bring

Joeysome financial to the table but even if I didn't obviously be able to understand me to under go just like you were talking about earlier with the whole once a once a month you're going you're

Andrew Wilsonout with your husband Mhm. A guy walks over a rando and he grabs your ass, your husband's got to knock that [ __ ] out, right? In my opinion, he's got to, right? In my opinion, yes. Yeah, he's

Joeygot to. So, but I think that comes with being the leader, the protector. So, it's not just a matter of provider, right? Protector in the home, but it's also a matter of protector outside of

Andrew Wilsonthe home. Other people come of of myself and of our course. Of course. So, he's got to be strong and a little bit tough, right? He's got to be So, there's actually a little bit more criteria here, isn't there? Okay. What is he

Andrew Wilsonlooking for in you? I don't know what he's looking for. You don't know what he's looking for? No. What is he looking for? For me to just be I'm asking you, what is he looking for? What is this guy who's a great provider? He's [ __ ]

Joeyepic. The guy grabs your ass out in the club, he's going to knock him the [ __ ] out. What's he get? I mean, I would reciprocate as much as I can on every other level. I mean, I can't beat up somebody. No, I'm not asking you to beat

Andrew Wilsonup somebody. What does he get? Which is similar to what you're getting. Loyalty. Um, you expect loyalty from him. Yes. That's not something new you're bringing to the table. Okay. Him knocking a [ __ ] out is something you can't

Joeydo, right? Okay. So, what is physical? So, so, so without the equalization, you say loyalty, you're going to get loyalty from a guy. Um, maybe loyalty and uh

Joeybrings in a lot of other things. Um, we talked about being submissive or subservient. I know a lot of people take that as a negative, but it's like I'm I'm not really sure. I've never really Right. Not really sure. I'm not

Joeyreally sure because as you guys have said, it doesn't take a lot more. It doesn't Men don't So, the standard is lower for men. I'm not saying the standard is lower. It sure sounds like you're saying that. I'm not saying the

Joeystandard is lower. I'm just saying I've never really thought about that because literally because but men always think about that. That's what's so Yeah, I don't think men always think about that. Yeah, they actually do. They think about

Andrew Wilsonthings uh almost starting at a transactional rate, right? Like what do I get versus what you get and then they move into what they'll settle for versus what they won't settle for, right? You're you what what you get is the

Joeyprivilege of saying I've never really thought about that. Isn't that kind of like slightly problematic? It's not. But personally, it's not only

Joeybecause personally, I'm not actively dating or searching for my ideal person. Have I thought about it? Maybe. You've dated plenty, right? I' I've dated. Sure. I've dated. And it's still never

Joeycrossed your mind. I don't think it's a Okay, we're not still never crossed your mind. It's It's not that it's never crossed my mind. I think it's just in a way like so I'm going to take it a

Joeycouple steps back to where when I was married I kind of had my role switched where I was the one financially providing I was the one you know my husband like a good wife like a good wife there's going to be times

Joeyoccasionally perhaps your husband's sick perhaps he has problems I'm saying for the majority of my marriage I was the one that did that so I think roles because I actually don't want to get

Joeyinto the details of it so but but whatever reason is right. My point is is from my perspective choose that man though I did but I think I felt um years

Andrew Wilsoninto it that there could have been forms of manipulation or masking and when and when kids come into I'll just grant it all. I'll just grant it all. But you move forward, right? So you're moving forward. How could it be possible that

Andrew Wilsonyou can tell me what your value is or the value of women are? But when I ask you the opposition like what is it that the man's getting on par? You're confused and don't know. Cuz she doesn't have to. Hang on. Let her answer. Go

Joeyahead. No, no, no. It's okay. Can you Can you say that to me one more time? Yeah. Yeah. What were you confused about? You said I'm confused. I'm not really sure. I think because I've never been in a

Joeyrelationship. I haven't gotten past a few dates. Um, I know you don't like the word trauma, but maybe I was a little traumatized from my marriage that I don't really know what a strong person

Joeyshould look like um in a maybe traditional more conservative type of relationship, which is something I would like to seek based off of hearsay and other people's um anecdotal kind of situations. But I think that's why it's

Andrew Wilsonharder for me to say because I'm not sure. Let's pretend that we take you and we take you out of your skin and we put you in a man's skin, right? Okay. So, women supposedly are great at empathy.

Andrew WilsonI've never thought so. I've always thought men were mo more empathetic and I have great uh reasoning ability to demonstrate they're more empathetic, but I'm just going to leave it and assume for a second women are actually more

Andrew Wilsonempathetic. Just because you lead with empathy doesn't mean you're actually more empathetic from my view. But here's what I would say. Let's take you. We're going to put you in a man's skin. You swipe across

Andrew Wilsonyourself at like 35. You're a 35-year-old man. You've been in the dating field. This and that. I look at you. What do I see? Um, I see. Let's start with negatives. Okay.

JoeyNegatives. [Music] Um, okay. You're really asking me to look at myself. So, look at Hold on. Let me let me put myself out, right? Okay. If I'm a guy. So hang

Andrew Wilsonon. Let me let me let me let's do this again. I want to make sure there's no confusion. Okay. You are supposing in your mind hypothetically you're a man tomorrow. You wake up. You

Andrew Wilsonhave your same mind everything else and you're looking to date. You swipe across yourself. Uhhuh. What are the negative things you see? Um I think the first

Joeything is going to be age. What is this person doing on a dating app at her age? What age is that? I'm 38. Okay. So, but I'm not on dating. There's plenty of 40-year-olds on dating app. There are there are plenty of them. So, what are

Joeythe negatives? Okay. So, I think for men that would be a negative. I feel like a lot of men look for younger women. So, that would be one. Okay. Um I think depending on the person. I know you mentioned tattoos. That could be

Andrew Wilsonsomething. I got my tattoos with my You're a man. I am a man in this in this hypothetical. What do you see when you see the tattoos on the sleeves and the arms? Um, tell me what you see as a man.

JoeyI I don't know. I don't You don't know. The reason why I'm telling you this is because, you know, I'm looking what type of tattoos does she have. Maybe the person that I'm looking for will be

Joeysimilar to me. I have anime tattoos on me. I have, you know what I mean? Like, these are all This is from video gaming. Maybe she's a little bit of nerd if I'm being observant. If I don't like If I don't like You got seven [ __ ] seconds

Andrew Wilsonthat you're looking at these. Hang on. Hang on. 7 seconds looking at this profile. Yeah, exactly. If that So 3 seconds, what do I see? I'm you. What do I see? Let me actually take this back because you're like, let's look at the

Andrew Wilsonnegatives. But if I start Hang on, hang on. We'll get to all the positives. No, I don't. Forget the positives. I just want to see the negatives first. Forget all the negatives. No, [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] Cope. Start with the

Joeynegatives. It's actually not to cope. What I'm trying to tell you is I'm looking as a guy going on a dating app. Yeah. They probably would see me as, "Oh, she's showing skin." Maybe the age I can put to the side. Okay. Age is put

Andrew Wilsonto the side. So, age. Okay. So, okay. She's showing skin. What does the skin Well, let's start. We're going to do Hang on. We're going to do one at a time, which can be seen as a negative. What is the skin, what do you think the

Joeyskin is signifying to the guy? Um, I think she's, you know, comfortable with showing herself a little bit. She's probably a little bit more outgoing.

Andrew WilsonShe's not going to be Does it Does it signify permiscuity? Maybe. Um I think for a majority of men. Yes. Okay. So, we got that. What's next? What's the next

Andrew Wilsonnegative? Uh I don't know. That's it. Those are all the negatives. You show a little bit of skin. That's it. That's the only thing they see on the dating profile. If I have 7 seconds, I'm seeing age. I'm seeing skin. I'm seeing

Andrew Wilsontattoos. If you don't like the tattoos, um maybe I mean I don't want to necessarily say, but maybe racially not their preference. Hang on, let's back up. I want to show you something that's

Andrew Wilsoninteresting and I think you'll agree. Okay, there's uh many many videos, many videos of an infant dropping from a high

Andrew Wilsonaltitude off of like a rail or something like that and a man catching and a man catching him, okay? Or even a woman catching him. Okay, now think about

Andrew Wilsonthis. An infant falls off of like a fourstory balcony, you have how many seconds? You just have to react like that, right? But all of the things that

Andrew Wilsonare processing in that microsecond is like this kid's going to die. Here's what's going on. You can process so much information in a microcond. Okay, but we

Andrew Wilsoncan't do that with a dating app. I just hang on. We can do that with a dating spend less than 7 seconds on. So if that is the case, right? And I can make a

Andrew Wilsonlike a microcosm decision as to when to die for that infant processing all that information in a nancond, right? And catch it. You should be able to tell me

Joeywhat you see as the negative within that same nanocond about yourself. I guess show I don't I told you the biggest thing that I think would be a negative. The biggest things because it's like a

Joeyquick thing is the age and the showing of skin. Those are the biggest tattoos. I did mention tattoos in case someone doesn't know. So that's the third negative. Anything else? It could be a negative. Anything else? Um I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow. I don't know. Now if we pull that picture up, let's do this as an experiment. Brian, where are you? Pull that picture back up of the fisherman. Okay. I want to show you something

Andrew Wilsoninteresting. We got three things from you. Okay. Right. Don't [ __ ] us. You got three seconds to evaluate. Give

Joeyme all the negatives and tell the truth. They'll see right through it if you don't. Tell us the truth. What do you see? The only negatives that I can see, and I'll be honest, are the fact that he might be overweight. Okay. He's

Joeyoverweight. What else? That's it. He's got other than that, he's got a great smile. He has good energy. Yes, he's got a big ass fish. I've gone fishing. I know what that's about. Mhm. Nice background. All mostly positives. The biggest thing is that he might be

Joeyoverweight. Not my type. That's it. Huh. Yeah. There's nothing else. Let me see what it said on the thing. If I read If I actually take the time to read it, cuz most guys won't read what's on the bio.

JoeyIf I'm If I'm not home, you can find me at the lake. There you go. So, because he's single, he spends time on the lake fishing. Okay. Okay. All right. So, did the chat see through that?

JoeySounds a bit It does sound a bit copish, but Okay. What do you mean when you say copish? I know you've mentioned that even earlier. I'm just I'm just so like

Andrew Wilsoncope is the idea that um you know that there's some type of problem but you refuse to acknowledge

Andrew Wilsonit. So you give excuses for the problem. That's called cope. Right. Okay. So what would you say about him then? There's more that you see about that. Oh man, I could give a laundry list. In fact, let

Andrew Wilsonme just make it even easier. I'll give a laundry list about me, right? Okay. I'm [ __ ] old, right? I'm setting my ways. I got a [ __ ] beer gut, right? I mean, what do you think? I'm literally Hang

Andrew Wilsonon, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. I'm literally I'm literally a [ __ ] abrasive. I don't give a [ __ ] what most people think. But even just off of a picture, if I give put my best self

Andrew Wilsonforward, right, it would still be something akin to like some interest that I had or some [ __ ] like that. And he would still look at it and be like, "He's old, right? Maybe his teeth are a

Andrew Wilsonlittle crooked. Maybe his eyebrow is a little too cur. Whatever the [ __ ] it is, there would be all kinds of things that you could associate with me just on a picture look that would disqualify me instantly. Right now, you don't get to

Andrew Wilsonsee the fact that I'm extraordinarily charming and charismatic, but what you would see is just the picture image, right? And that's it. And there's no [ __ ] way that all of that is not

Joeyprocessing the same time you look at that guy with that fish. There's just no way. I think if I'm looking at it in a split second and going, "This guy is not my type, I'm not thinking about it anymore." But I also don't It's intuitive, right? It's Sure. I'm not

Joeythinking all the other things. This isn't a dunk on you. No, no, no, no. I and I'm not taking it that way. And again, as I've said, I think that Holy [ __ ] she got two babies. Wow, there's twins. Brian, those are twins. Brian,

Brian Atlastwins. Yeah, but I mean, if you'll note if you'll note two separate fathers. Oh my god. I mean, it's not the same dad.

SPEAKER_12Well, no. How can they be twins? What? I don't know. What do you mean?

Andrew WilsonOkay. Uh, have you ever have you ever heard of a recessive gene, you [ __ ] racist? This is [ __ ] ridiculous. There's no recessive gene from the drink it or dispose of. I think my biggest

Joeything though is I think that dating apps are terrible. I haven't done dating apps. I don't think that if I met that personated $1,000

SPEAKER_08pop champagne. So, my wife asked and I accepted. She says that her attraction to me was my vast humor and stunning decisiveness. I lead. She follows and

Brian Atlasshe agrees. Chair five has to put on the hat. Chair five gets the hat. Give her the hat. Give her the hat. And I'm going to do a little I'm going to do a little freebie for jungle here. I put on I put on the

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] Holy [ __ ] Wait, this was I accidentally triggered it twice. I accidentally triggered Well, but now I want to see it. What? Well, now you you did the did to dead. Now I want to see what the chat was. Even if he triggered it twice. It

Brian Atlaswas the same one. Yeah, I want to see it again. You want me to trigger it? Yeah, trigger it again. All right, I'll trigger it again. Why not? All right. Um, here. I got to do a freebie. It's coming up in just a sec. [ __ ]

Brian AtlasUh, I think it's super cute. Uh, you get to wear a Pokemon hat the rest of the show. Ash's hat. There we

SPEAKER_12go. She wants to be the very best. Whoa. So my wife donated

SPEAKER_08$1,000 pop champagne. So my wife asked and I accepted. She says that her attraction to me was my vast humor and stunning decisiveness. Never mind. She

SPEAKER_08follow not paying attention. Chair five has to put on the hat. Jungle. Thank you. You're a legend, sir. Okay,

Brian Atlaslet's uh here. Oh man. God. Everybody gets up when I'm trying to do some God, bro. One person has to go potty. It's one person. But I got to The segment has It's like a go around the table segment

Brian Atlashere. You know what? I'll I'll come back to it. She barely speaks English anyway. You know, it's just true. Fair point, I guess. Okay. Um here, Shannon, getting into your notes. We're going to do some stuff from here.

Shannon DaveyUh what would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband? I said or wife, I guess. 100. Well, I'm with someone who I'm hoping to

Shannon Daveyget married to. So, I'm hoping between a h 100,000 to 150,000. Okay. What about you? Um, same. Close to three. Yeah.

GuidanceLike 300,000. 300,000. Have you ever been with someone who made $300,000 currently? So, I'm right. I feel like Oh, man. Okay. She makes 300. What does

Guidanceshe do for work? She owns several businesses. She works in aviation as well. So, do you guys have a mansion? Not yet. Working on that, though. Okay. Well, here's the thing, though. Forgive

Andrew WilsonHe always has forgive my for like forgive my skepticism, right? Uh-huh. But I do okay for myself. Just a little bit. I do okay for myself.

Andrew WilsonUm, even here, even here, if you have the combined income you're talking about, like it's even 300 to 600,000 per year,

GuidanceI would think you would have a really big sprawling pad, right? Well, we've only been together 6 months and we have eight kids, so that eight kids. She has Wait, what? What? I said that earlier,

Andrew Wilsonbut I don't think anybody miss Ryan. Yeah, let's rewind that. I have two boys. She has six bi biological like your kids That's right. And six of

Andrew Wilsonhers. So, even though our income So, you've all hopped up on the old pogo stick a few times. A time or two? Wait, your household is polyamorous? No, not currently. No, no, it's just me and her.

Brian AtlasHow many of your kids live with you guys? Well, hers are older. The first two or three are like grown. Okay, we have everybody at the table. Uh oh, we were going Okay, we'll go around on that. Then we'll get to the other thing.

Brian AtlasUm, all right. Minimum income for your future husband? As much as me, which is what? [Music] Over 300K. All right. What about you? I say 75K.

Brian AtlasJust not in California. Okay. I'm good with that. What about you? Uh, 60 to 70K. You said 100K. I said 100K. 100K. 60. Well, you said 60K to 100K. What? 60

Brian Atlasto 100. Oh, well, it is a I don't know why I wrote 100K, but Okay. Uh what about what about you? 3,000 per month. So like you said 36,000 a year.

Brian AtlasYeah. Okay. Reasonable. That's very more than reasonable. Somebody understands mathematics. Here's what we're going to do. We have uh or wait before we do Stiffler, everybody stay at the table

Brian Atlaswhile I read these. Christopher Murphy, Andrew's hair is top tier. Chad. Agree. I agree. It's very nice. I'm not bald. Holy [ __ ] It's lovely. He's got He's

Brian Atlasgot great flow. It is uh Maga Ramble. Hey, thank you so much for the super chat, man. Andrew, I have a boat in Fort Lauderdale. It's mahi season. Come on down. Also, women don't like me. Fish,

Andrew Wilsonwhat? This is he a pirate? Women don't like me, fish pics. No, no, no, no. What the [ __ ] was that voice? Women don't like me, fish pics. That's the right way, dude. Women I was like a

Brian Atlasleprechaun. Yeah. What the [ __ ] I don't know, dude. I I get leprechauns and pirates. It's a women don't like me fish. Women don't like me a fish. What the [ __ ] is this? Oh my You made it. We

Brian Atlashad You just took it. It made it twice as cringe as the first time. Trying to think of like slap at the base. Slap at the base. Okay. Uh because they hate men haven't hobbies they can't

Brian Atlascontrol. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't have a problem with the fish. Maybe the fish thing is the same. It's but fishing is so much doper. But it's like women with fake nails, especially

Andrew Wilsonthe long ones. Maybe that's like the equivalent. Like men don't get that [ __ ] You know what I mean? Like the new Oblivion came out, the new Oblivion game

Andrew Wilsonand uh it's remastered and I couldn't wait to get my hands on it. And man, what I rolled was epic. I made my own class. It's called a paladin class and it literally focuses on restoration and

Andrew Wilsonblade and a few other things and it's not in the game. Is that a don't [ __ ] up my monologue. So, we get in we get into Oblivion, right? I got it. My wife comes out and she's like, "Honey, what are you doing?" I said, "It's Oblivion. Get the

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] out of here." And she was like, "Absolutely." And I sat down and I played it for 13 [ __ ] hours straight and I wasn't done. I couldn't wait the next day. And she was like, "Don't you have to stream?" And I was like, "Yeah,

Andrew Wilsonprobably." But I'm playing [ __ ] Oblivion, right? And it's remastered and this is awesome. So, here's the thing. My question, right, the ultimate question. If your man's playing

GuidanceOblivion, do you shut the [ __ ] up and leave him alone? You got to shut the [ __ ] up the weekend or is it [ __ ] the weekend? I called I did the equivalent

Brian Atlasof calling in sick. I was like, I'm moving the [ __ ] stream. I'm playing Oblivion more. It looks like a new game. So, yeah. So good. So good. Guys, twitch.tv/ whatever. Drop us a follow. Drop us a prime sub. Like the video. Venmo. Cash

Brian Atlasapp. Whatever. TTS. What? You play Oblivion? Uh, I saw the trailer for the remastered. Uh, it's good. I played it like way back like originally briefly that I didn't get to. I was more World

Brian Atlasof Warcraft, you know. I was more Okay, guys. Stifler, ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't pick seven. starting with you. Go ahead. I knew this question. Okay.

Shannon DaveySo, last time I was on, I said six or six and a half, and apparently I'm incorrect to your audience. So, I'll I'll go down to a five.

Shannon DaveyAll right. Was I too mean before? Do you think I was too mean? You did laugh. Um, you weren't here in person, so I think it was depersonalized. I don't blame you. I'm

Andrew Wilsonnot mad at I still agree with my former position even though I'm here in person. There is no possible way you can give yourself that a certain a five. No way.

Shannon DaveyI mean I see myself in the dating pool. I am partnered. So clearly let's All right. Before we get into it, why don't we have everybody everybody go? Eight and a half. Okay, there you eight and a

Natalie Stavolahalf. There you go. Now you got to do it. You got to answer the question. Is she passed her time? Oh, no. The the mute's over. Oh, it is. Yeah, mute's over. Damn. Mom was enjoying the [ __ ]

Brian Atlasout of that. So were we. Oh, you guys was great. Five. Okay. Oh, no. A six. Okay. A 10.

Brian AtlasOh, wait. Did Was it Was it on this was it on this angle when she said, "Oh, okay. 10." 10.

Andrew WilsonOkay. Yes. 7.5. Six. Andrew, what do you give yourself? I don't know. [ __ ] three or two. Uh,

Andrew Wilsonso over here though, I got to ask you to the Ted, right? Yeah. I just want to be sure. Do you think you're the prettiest girl at the table? Obviously not. No.

Gabby (Michigan)That's weird. How come? I'm pretty to myself. I'm pretty What was the question though? On rate our own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. Can't pick seven. I chose 10. Our

Andrew Wilsonown Oh, but I don't understand. You consider yourself to be a 10 by your own scale, but you consider that there's other women at the table who are more attractive than you who lower their own

Gabby (Michigan)rates for themselves. That's that's what they think of themselves. But this is what I think of myself. I personally think I'm a 10. I'm not saying I'm the 10 out of everyone. But somebody spin the helicopter on. All

Shannon Daveyright. Well, let me ask you. Let me ask you this. It's actually an important question and there's a reason what we think we're answering for like what you would think general population. Well, here's the thing

Andrew Wilsonthat's interesting, right? Like objective. Well, everything moves into the perception. The question being asked itself is just a determined delusion.

Andrew WilsonVery simple, right? So, we could assume that if I asked every man that I walked across, rate yourself on a scale of 1 to 10 by looks, how would you rate

Andrew Wilsonyourself? I think that the majority of men I came across would rate themselves somewhere between a four and a six, even if they were very good-looking. For instance, there's a man right now who's watching this podcast. Guarantee it. His

Andrew Wilsonname is Jake. He's better looking than from the female standard all of you. And from the male standard, all of us, right? He would never rate himself a [ __ ] 10 in a million years. The

Andrew Wilsonquestion becomes, why do you? Is it because A, you misheard the question, because I don't think you did, cuz you repeated it. Mhm. Or B, is it because you have a false sense of security when

Andrew Wilsonit comes to your own looks? I don't have a false sense of security. I think I think I'm attractive to myself. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. So, if there was 100 men and they were all in an audience and you

Andrew Wilsonwent up in front of the audience and they had to rate you, right behind them, all of the women on this panel came behind you and then they gave their ratings after. Where would they place you? I don't know. What do you think,

Andrew Wilsonthough? I'm not sure. Of course, you're not sure. That's why I'm just asking you for like what your subjective opinion would be. You I don't know. It's You

Andrew Wilsondon't know your own subjective opinion? out of a group. No. Okay. If it's other people rating me, I don't know what they would think. Well, let me ask a different question for all the women who are here. I'm asking for honesty. I'm not sure

Andrew WilsonI'll get it, but I am asking for it. When all of you sat down and you made an assessment of your surroundings, as human beings tend to do. Did you at any

Andrew Wilsonpoint scale things on the sense of like her hair is nice, her body is nice, her skin is nice, I wish I had eyebrows like

Andrew Wilsonhers, I wish I had eyelashes like hers. Did any of you make those assessments? Sure. Can you raise your hand if you did? Yeah. Why? I think it's just like naturally

Shannon Daveywhen you're like meeting new people and that's like the first thing that you know about them, you just kind of go off of your their looks. fair. Why? Um I don't know. I think that's because that's what people, like she said,

Guidancethat's what you your first impression of a person is what you see. And we are just by nature. We can do we do comparisons like that. Why? Yeah. Just

Wu (Cassie)natural. It's instinct. Same. Same. I like looking at people. I think I'm not very happy with my own body image. So you compare yourself to

SPEAKER_01others. Yeah. Fair. Just acknowledging other people. Just acknowledging. Okay. We forgot to rate ourselves by the way. Click on these. No, he did. You're rating. What? Uh, we forgot to rate

Andrew Wilsonourselves if I recall. I rated myself. Oh, did I forget? I give myself a five. Okay. Sorry. Sorry. So, well, I didn't forget, Brian. But anyway, uh, back to

Andrew Wilsonthis. So, the very idea to me then becomes all of you made assessments in comparison to the other women who were there. And if you're making those

Andrew Wilsoncomparisons, did any of you, let me just ask this, by hand raise, sit at the table and think that there was other women at the table who are more attractive than you by hand raise. Go

Andrew Wilsonahead and raise your hand if that's the case. That makes sense to me as well. So, when we get to the rating system, what do you think we're asking here? Like, what do you think we're

Andrew Wilsonasking here? Clearly, there's a diametric difference and distinction between the looks of some of the women on this panel versus others. It's not even an insult. There's massive

Andrew Wilsondifferences in looks between the men who are here right now. Obviously, I'm very much better looking than Brian. But the point Yeah, exactly. But the point is, right,

Andrew Wilsonis that obviously there's distinctions here. So, so do on that assessment, understanding that that is the case, understanding that you even grant that

Andrew Wilsonyou were making those judgments, would any of your self-ratings change by a show of hands? No. Not a single one? Nope. No. Okay. I said what I'll say. Okay. Well, I got,

SPEAKER_01you know, I got some stuff I want to say. Um, do you have carry the show, Andrew? Don't carry the show, Andrew. What the [ __ ] Brian? A lot of mixed emotions, Brian.

Brian AtlasI can't keep up with you, Andrew. You've been getting me sloshed off of vodka. All this I've been You drink heavily. I rarely drink. What do you mean I drink

Brian Atlasheavily? I barely drink. Okay. You drink mostly heavily. Most of the time. Rude. I'm having to smoke every other. I can't take this [ __ ] Brian, what the You just said you were

Brian Atlashotter than me. What's that? What's that? Hey, I was Did you hear how he said that? He said that like I I like said like I'm his son. Wait a second.

Andrew WilsonAnd I said I like I cursed. What the [ __ ] I dude I actually No. When he said that I felt fear. You should like the [ __ ] did you just say [ __ ] Okay, hang on. In my defense

Andrew Wilsonfrom the charismatic perspective. It was a way Hang on. Hang on. It was a way to provide like a sense of comedic relief. It's not because I actually think that I'm better looking than Brian even if I

Andrew Wilsonam. Oh no. It was a joke. Even if I'm not I'm not upset by it. You seem pretty upset by it. I'm not What the [ __ ] I'm not upset. Nobody's convinced, Brian. Are is anybody convinced Brian's not upset? I'm

Andrew Wilsongoing to show Show of hands. I think you're upset. I have captured the entire I've captured the entire panel. I've captured them. Turn them against me. You're going to turn them against me.

Brian AtlasWell, I'll ask a couple questions. Uh to you, the 10 the soul 10 at the table. Can you tell us a guy like maybe a celebrity famous person that you think

Brian Atlasis a 10? I think is a 10? Yeah. Like a guy who you think is a 10?

Gabby (Michigan)No celebrity crushes. Okay. One eternity left.

Gabby (Michigan)Maybe uh Messi the soccer player. Cute. Okay. Okay. All

Brian Atlasright. My whole plan is failed, right? Wondered in terms of looks you're talking about. He's cute.

Brian AtlasI mean, he's rich and one of the best soccer players ever and status and successful and all that. It's like an average looking guy though.

Brian AtlasI mean, he's average looking guy. I don't need a 10 out. When you say 10, like come on. Really? Like, don't look 10. Is he a 10 because of all the other [ __ ] surrounding him? The fact

Brian Atlasthat he's one of the best soccer players ever. No, he's just cute. He's cute. Wait, is cute a 10? Can you be a 10 and cute? I feel like 10 is like like

Brian Atlasjaw-dropping. You literally they walk past you and you just are in awe. Your head snaps and you turn. Head turn. Think of a different celebrity then.

Brian AtlasSure. Give me a different celebrity. He's also kind of short. I don't care about He's probably shorter than you maybe. I don't know. Okay. I don't think he is. He's a great guy though. What? Uh, give me a different celebrity.

Gabby (Michigan)Can it be a girl celebrity? No, it has to be a man. Has to be man. Um, Michael B. Jordan, I guess then. Mhm. Okay, real fine. Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan. Michael B. Jordan. Huge

Brian Atlasdifference. Oh, yeah. He was in. Have you slid Have you sled slid into his DMs? No. Why would I do that? No, he's I'm pretty sure he's married.

Brian AtlasI mean, why would I sign into his DMs? I didn't know he was married. Is he? Uh, so that's So, you're a 10, he's a 10. Uh, is that you think that's a good

Brian AtlasWould if he was single, would that be a good match? No. So, he would be settling for you. Yeah. Oh,

Gabby (Michigan)okay. You're both tens, bro. Okay, bro. Tell me, bro. What's up, dog? Okay. Thing is, what's up, dog? Tell me, dude. Thing is, one, he's

Gabby (Michigan)significantly older than me, so I think that'd be a dealbreaker. Two, for for you or for him? for him and possibly for me too. I mean, I don't mind, but for probably for him. Okay. Too. He is rich and famous. I don't think he wants to

Gabby (Michigan)settle for a hostess in a little town barely anybody knows about. Yeah, but guys don't really care about a woman's status. I don't It just wouldn't be a good match. I don't want someone famous.

Andrew WilsonThat would be inconvenient. All right. Uh, name taken says, "So, wait. Oblivion is the reason we haven't had any Tik Tok invasions recently." Andrew Fair. Uh, no. I've given you guys actually more Tik Tok invasions recently than

Andrew Wilsonyou've ever gotten, even with Oblivion. But that's because I needed to afford the DLC. I needed to afford the DLCs. That's for me, Brian. Oh, that's fair. That's for me, by the way. All of you, you got to get your super chats in because I'm only going to be here

Andrew Wilsonanother half hour. I always have a hard out at 2:00 my time, which it almost is, and I got a debate tomorrow. So, just just throwing that out. Does that mean we're all out Andrew's time? No. No. Nope. But unless unless you guys can

Brian Atlasconvince Andrew to stay a bit longer. Well, so then I'll try to get through the important stuff. Let's get through it. Uh, okay. So, going to you really quick. Uh, can you give us a like a guy who you think is on your level who's maybe like famous or celebrity

Brian Atlasjust looks wise? Cuz you said 7.5, right?

Wu (Cassie)No, I can't think of any because I think they would look better if they are famous. Like if they are movie stars. I'm Well, I mean I Brian's famous.

Andrew WilsonYou're pretty famous, right? Good looking. What's that? But you said you I'm more good-look. I mean, she she is right. She fired. But he's he's very He's way

Brian Atlasmore famous. I don't know. Andrew's pretty famous. You're pretty famous. Andrew's pretty famous.

Brian AtlasAndrew's a famous guy. Uh would you date uh Z Jin? What's his name? The president of China.

Brian AtlasWould you would you date him? You don't know Ping's. I Bro, I don't know how to pron I'm sorry. All this political Oh, man. Z Jinping, I know the [ __ ] spelling, but I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow how to pronounce it properly. Would you date him? No. No. The most powerful man in China. No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. This guy, he's kind of fat. Yeah, but he's he is kind of fat, right? He's kind of fat. Is he

Andrew Wilsonmarried? Oh, you're not you're not Is the CCP going to do away with you when you get home? Is the CCP coming? First of all, he's married. Also, she's he's old, so Okay, fair. Can you say Can you

Brian Atlassay Can you say I'm not a CCP spy? No. And Shing is fat. Andrew, I'm not going to say you're not going to say it. Yeah. Well, she does have to go home. Just saying. All right. Um, let's see here.

Brian AtlasWe have, uh, oh, uh, going around the table, uh, just to finish off on the looks rating thing, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time? Better looking 10 years time? No. Okay.

Brian AtlasUh, you're 37. Better looking in 10 years time. Yep. 20 years time. Yeah. 30 years time. No. Okay. So, better looking at at 10 years. Yep.

Brian AtlasYou're you're 37. That's right. So, in better looking at 57. Uhhuh. Okay. Uh, what about Oh, and clarification. You're 29. Were you better looking at 19 or

Brian Atlasbetter looking now? Honestly, I'd say pretty even. Can you just tilt your mic down a little bit? Okay. Pretty even. What about you?

Brian AtlasUh 37, better looking at 27? No, I was around 400 lb back then. Uh and then 18 versus 37. Even bigger. Even bigger back then. Damn. Okay. Uh you're 37 better

Brian Atlaslooking in 10 years time at 47? Back up. All right. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. No. Uh and

Brian Atlasthen were you better looking at 27 versus now at 37? No. Better looking now. Okay. And then 18 versus 37. Better looking now. Better now. Okay. You're 38. Better looking uh in 10 years time.

Brian AtlasNo. Okay. And then going back 10 years, 28 versus 38? No, I was probably prime at like 35 few years ago. Yeah. So 3 years ago. And then 18 versus 38.

JoeyI don't know. That's almost a different person. We look like two different people. 18 and me now. So what? Yeah. Which one's better looking? I guess I I think that that's going to be a little bit subjective. At 18, I looked very

Joeyyoung, like a like a little girl, still a middle schooler. So, it Okay, but you were an adult. But I mean, 18, sure, but Yeah. Yeah. Well, were you better looking at 18 or 38? I don't know. I don't think I can answer

Brian Atlasthat. All right, that's fine. Uh, 18. Will you be better looking in 10 years time? Yes. 20 years time, possibly, but I'll say yes. 30 years time at 48? No.

Brian AtlasOkay. You're 29 better looking in 10 years time at 39? No. And then you're 29. Were you better looking at 19 or better looking now at 29? Thank god 19.

Andrew WilsonWow. That might be the first ever honest answer ever on this. Here's Okay, she's pretty rational. She's been asking very rational, very based questions the entire night. She's been like, "Can you justify the [ __ ] that you're saying?"

Brian AtlasAnd I'm like, "Actually, I would prefer to do that." It checks out. Uh, so here's what we've done. We've put every single one of you into an AI filter. We've aged. But

Andrew Wilsonbefore you show that filter, can I can I ask can I ask a couple of questions? Actually, I'm going to start with you guys because I'm always I'm always wondering about this. So, you said if

Andrew Wilsonyou were to retract time, Mhm. you're more attractive now than you used to be. So, if I go back 10 years, you're more attractive now. Yeah. Now, let's say that you have the same access to the

Andrew Wilsonresources you do right now. Oh, hang on. And you had the same like thought process on giving yourself augmentations, whether they're breast

Andrew Wilsonimplants or or lipo or whatever they are, right? I don't know what they are and I don't care. But I'm just saying whatever they are, you had the same like mindset for that and for exercise, diet,

Natalie Stavolathis, would you be as attractive now as you were then? Yeah, it was sobbriety. Back then I wasn't sober and I look terrible. That's so Yeah. So, if I have sobriety back then and I have that. Oh

Natalie Stavolamy god. Yeah, that's okay. So, you just made poor choices when you're younger. Yes. But if it was equalized, you still think you would be attractive when you were younger? Uh that I might be more attractive 10 years ago if I was sober

Natalie Stavolathen. I might still look the same. I don't know. Um but yeah, it definitely a lot of it had to do with like drinking a ton. Okay. And looking terrible. Same over here. I think at 18 if I was more cuz I mean I wear makeup and stuff.

JoeyAgain, very young. I think if I had all the same access. Um I mean I guess my assumption was we don't have like we're in 10 years from now. We're not talking about like oh no I understand. I understand. Okay. Okay. I just want to

Joeymake sure I'm getting this correctly. At 18 sure if I wasn't still very young minded I had my mind now I was maybe taking care of myself. Sure. Then at 18 I probably would be more attractive than I was at 35. Here's why I bring this up.

Andrew WilsonI ask this question often. I'll ask it real quick to this panel before he pulls up the AI images, right? and we'll just do it by a show of hands. Um, if I were

Andrew Wilsonto ask you who's the fairest sex, men or women? Let's start with men by hand raise. Let's start with now. Let's do women by hand raise. Are they the fairer

Andrew Wilsonsex? Fair meaning. Yes. Better looking. Are men or women the better-l looking sex? Is it men by a hand raise? Is it women by a hand raise?

Andrew WilsonOkay. So basically everybody says women. Now let me ask it this way. If it is the case that women no longer have access to makeup or any sort of augmentation

Andrew Wilsonmeaning breast implants meaning lip fillers meaning any period. If I ask the same question who is the fairest sex men or women? Raise your hand if your answer

Shannon Daveychanges you. I think it might. Yeah. cuz I think that there's a lot of men who are naturally like pretty attractive and they don't have to do a lot of like changing to their appearance, but

Andrew Wilsonthere's some women who are like attractive just solely on like their extra stuff. My challenge would be this. Men have not changed much since 1800. If you go back and look at pictures, right,

Andrew Wilsonthere's still no makeup for us and there's still basically just beards. We get beards. We don't get much else. All right? We get beards and that's about it. The ones who are lucky. Yeah. The same. Yeah. Exactly. Same thing in the

Andrew Wilson1800s, right? But if you go back and look at the women of that time versus the women of now, I think you would be way more hardpressed when you're talking about

Andrew Wilsonwho is the fairer sex when we get rid of all the augmentation and makeup. That's all I'm saying. I thought men did wear makeup. They did. I mean, well, no joke, they didn't. The white face like English

Andrew Wilsontimes. Yeah. Yeah. But the but even in those times, women still wore makeup and men usually only wore it when they were in courtly positions. But are you looking at them though from a male or female gaze? I feel like I would look at

Andrew Wilsonit from both. So, but I don't think you can see the way that like maybe a woman might look at a man and go, "Yeah, I feel like I'm way better at juxtaposing myself in the shoes of women than women are good at juxtaposing themselves in

Andrew Wilsonthe seat of a man." Okay. So when I look at it from the woman's perspective, right, I understand why women think in modernity especially that women are the fairer sex, but they have every shortcut

Andrew Wilsonavailable, which men don't. We have two choices, banger bodies and beards. That's about it. Good choice. We can't we can't decide on balding. We can't decide on any of these things, right? We

Andrew Wilsonhave those two things. And you can't shortcut those two things. If you're a man, you don't get a banger body. Some of it's genetic, but you got to be [ __ ] disciplined no matter what, right? Men can't wear makeup, they uh get shamed if they do lipo suction, they

Andrew Wilsondo height extensions, they do any of these types of augmentations, [ __ ] no. That's that's out, right? Woman gets a butt implant, great. Boob implants, great. Tummy tuck, great. Lip filler,

Andrew Wilsongreat. Massive amounts of makeup, great. And that's why it's like, are they really the sex? You know, when we start to break it down, are they? That's a good point. Men don't have to do anything. They just roll over and look.

JoeyI always said that too. Men could just roll over and like look amazing and you're like, but that's because I still think that women appreciate and find older men attractive where men as a majority look at women younger as more

Guidanceattractive. So that's why I bring up the male female gays. Yeah, I understand the the distinction. That goes back to the trench coat thing though. If you're taking a bare naked woman, bare naked man and you're exposed

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