Pregnancy WORSE Than War?! 300+ Body Count?! $1,000,000 To Date Her?! Andrew W! | Dating Talk #243

Date: 2025-05-19

Duration: 8h 55m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SShannon Davey >

NNatalie Stavola >

AAndrew Wilson >

GGabby (Michigan)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Gabby (Michigan)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalie Stavola(guest)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Shannon Davey(guest)

SPEAKER_11Guidance(guest)

SPEAKER_13Joey(guest)

SPEAKER_14Wu (Cassie)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced including Wu (8 languages, PhD linguistics)

Key MomentGuidance: engaged after 6-week courtship. 3 prior marriages. Shunned from JW.

Key MomentNatalie: 8-year sobriety anniversary today (cocaine/alcohol). 300+ body count.

Key MomentAndrew's infinite regress argument on trans identity: if partner has penis and you perform oral, by your definition that's gay

OtherAndrew Wilson departs to sleep before next day debate

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Shannon, Guidance, Natalie, Joey, Gabby, Wu, Felicity, Andrew Wilson.

Octopus Water Incident

Water smells fishy. Brian blames Costco octopus contaminating fridge.

Body Count Discussion

Andrew's grimy dude multiplier. 10 ONS vs 10 failed LTRs trolley problem.

Bow Video and Submission

Brian shows ex bowing. Panel asked if they would bow. Wu: 3x/week max.

Minimum Income Round

Shannon $100-150K. Guidance $300K. Natalie $300K+. Joey $75K. Wu $36K/yr.

Transgender Identity Debate

Guidance: wrong to refuse trans people solely for being trans. Andrew's infinite regress on defining 'woman.'

Body Count Reveals

Felicity 2. Guidance 27. Shannon declined. Natalie 300+. Gabby 2.

Transcript

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Andrew Wilsonmen, tend to give really good advice. And they usually tend to solicit it, right? Only when you're asked them for it. And it's usually pretty good. Women often will give advice nobody [ __ ] asked for, right? Nobody asked for it.

Andrew WilsonThey don't care about it, but they can't wait to give it to you. So, it's like um what I see with the pattern is that generally speaking, women give terrible advice to women and men. And men tend to give, especially if they're older men, fairly good advice to the people who ask

Andrew Wilsonthem for advice. That's just what I see as a trend. So, if I see that as a trend, of course, my logical brain says most men and women probably shouldn't go towards women for for advice. They probably just shouldn't do that. It's

Brian Atlasprobably not a good idea. I'm going to let you guys respond. I'm going to let you guys respond. But we have a another champagne pop and we still need to do a cheers. [Music]

SPEAKER_08Jungle donated $1,000. Pop champagne. Brian, I DM you on it. Nothing to worry about, bro.

Brian AtlasSomeone pineapple that. Get yourself a burrito. It was it was a champagne champagne gust. It was a gust.

Brian AtlasSo, uh there's multiple. So, we need to do three cheers, I think. Right. We need to do three. All right. Um so, uh double

Andrew Wilsonthe ladies on the panel here. How's your guys' singing voices? Singing. I'm good singing. You're a good singer. You're a good singer. Good singer. Danish. I'm a fun singer. Fun singer. Okay. Good

Andrew Wilsonsinger. Okay. Okay. Can you since Jungle sent in like four grand, can you guys all sing He's a jolly good fellow. Could you do it? All right. All right. With

Andrew Wilsonus, right? I'll sing with you. Okay. Ready? 1 2 3 go. For a jolly good fellow.

Natalie StavolaEveryone [ __ ] up the end every single time. Thank you, Jungle. Very kind of you. which nobody can deny. Yeah. Which nobody Yeah. What prepositional phrase is it? Okay. Saloo double fisting over

Andrew Wilsonhere. Men's crazy. Is that propositional prepositional? Is that a propositional phrase? That in which on about that in Yeah. So she said that. So that would be Yeah. Propositional phrase. Yeah. Which nobody

Brian Atlascan. I think it's which no which nobody Yeah. Which nobody can. Yeah. All right guys. Well next time we'll get it to jungle. Welcome to the jungle. Thank you. Um, I'll I'll fill up if they need some later. Okay. Um, did you guys want

Andrew Wilsonto continue on the You were talking about dating. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was just I was I was pretty much done there. I just said that's the pattern that I've noticed is that women generally and I here's the thing. I don't just see that I don't see this in one occupation. I

Andrew Wilsonsee this across occupational boards. Like for instance, women are often in HR departments and they usually make things 200,000 times worse for everybody because they're in HR departments. And it's just awful. They're just awful at

GuidanceHR departments. But why are women in HR departments? Cuz normal, like I think that kind of goes back to like the systemic change. We're in HR. That's all we can do, right? Yeah. I'll explain

Andrew WilsonI'll explain why. I'll explain why in HR departments um they're problematic, especially when it comes to men. So HR Yeah. Yeah. That's I'm I'm going to tell

Andrew Wilsonyou this is true. When you go to a human resources department, they have psychological training courses that they often go through. And during the

Andrew Wilsonpsychological training courses, they're taught to use a specific tone which is designed around the feminine. Just like in school, in schools, men are disadvantaged. Boys are disadvantaged because it's usually a feminine

Andrew Wilsoncurriculum. And that's why women excel in school, men don't. They have a feminine curriculum. this idea of like sit at the table, have your hands folded, listen quietly while the teacher's teaching. Men don't do that

Natalie Stavola[ __ ] They want to throw stuff at each other and be obnoxious. They want to throw stuff at each other. I know. I'll push back on that, though. There's plenty of men who do great in school, though. We used to see that a lot more. Women women excel in comparison because

Andrew Wilsonof the the rules which are there, right? So, for instance, um when I was younger, you got into a fist fight. It was not it was maybe suspendable. It was not a police arrest you and you go to jail. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I came home with a

Andrew Wilsonblack eye and bloody nose. I lost. That's all that that meant. Or unless he had more bruises or something. You could that you could have won on that one. Yeah. But even but the point is is like nobody gave a [ __ ] It wasn't like oh my god these kids they started knocking

Andrew Wilsoneach other around. Oh my go the cops. Well, I think once there was more shootings and it wasn't there was there was a massive amount of gang violence inside schools before any of that like

Andrew Wilsonmass stuff started happening. Right. Yeah, but still men, especially young men, learn differently than women, but because they're inside of like a very feminine zone, they actually can't excel the same way they do in like all boys

Andrew Wilsonschools and things like this where they excel much better. Um, what's interesting is in HR departments, since they're always inundated with women, right? It's always from the feminine perspective, too. So, men, let me tell

Andrew Wilsonyou some things that men hate. Can we have a little conversation? Every man who hears that does this. Oh god, can you just come down and lightning Zeus lightning bolt me through the [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsonchest? Please do that so I don't have to go in to this room. I think women have that too. The moment we hear any of that [ __ ]

Andrew Wilsoninsufficient how about how about this one as a woman? I agree. We don't we ate that [ __ ] So what we're going to do here is a little bit of coaching. We're going to do a little bit of coaching. I don't talk like that. or how about we're going to, you know, we I'm just here to

Andrew Wilsonassist you with some of the problems that we've been seeing you having. And they have their little like [ __ ] stupid post-it notes and [ __ ] Every guy on planet Earth, right? Even the most

Andrew Wilsonlike cringe dude, thinks of the second they hear that, all they can think of in their head is this. And this is what's on repeat, right? Now, you can believe me or not believe me, but this is what's on repeat. Shut up, [ __ ] Shut up, [ __ ] Shut up, [ __ ] Shut up, [ __ ]

Andrew WilsonPlease shut up, [ __ ] Please shut up. That's all they're thinking on repeat. Now, me saying that out loud to a group of women, you think you think even right now, man, that's harsh. That's actually kind of harsh. But it's like that's

Joeyactually how we think about it. It's like, please can this end? How quickly can this end? But do you think that that's why that tone is being made? Because a confrontation cuz I feel like men can only hold it in before they go

Joeythey lose it, you know? And so it's like they have to take a softer tone almost like I don't want to say speaking to a child, but just being softer to create this open space. No, no. See, I I think that that misses the whole point. And

Andrew Wilsonthat's the feminine prism, too, right? They don't actually give a [ __ ] What they really want to say to you is like, everything that you're about to tell me, I don't give a [ __ ] about any of it. I don't care. It means nothing to me. I'm

Andrew Wilsononly trying to get through this meeting as far as I can to keep this job, but everything coming out of your mouth, I literally don't give a [ __ ] about. That's what they actually are thinking in their brains. I think women in that in that circumstance are also thinking

Brian Atlasthe same thing. Uh, hold on. Hold on. Uh going to you uh you are not enjoying what Andrew is saying.

Wu (Cassie)True. Oh my god. Uh what are your what are your thoughts? The reason why she doesn't date America. Oh, I was thinking why you could make such conclusions like

Andrew Wilsonwithout giving any examples like you need to like support your own opinions. But even his examples would be so if you're asking for like data for these examples right now this is an anecdotal

Andrew Wilsonconversation. Yeah. So I I preface this conversation by saying this is based on the pattern recognition experiences that I've seen. Yeah. Not preferencing it on like oh I have a massive data packet here that's sociological in nature

Andrew Wilsonprobably will never be replicated in order to uh show my findings that this is what men think. But based on all the conversations that I've had with men and I've had thousands of them all ac across the world same thing with women, this is

Andrew Wilsonwhat they think. Sure. But there will be something called confirmation bias in this as well too. Yeah. The thing is though is like I think pattern recognition assists with eliminating confirmation bias. That's what it's there for. The confirmation bias is

Natalie Stavolabecause you wouldn't be able to assess your own like patterns and your own confirmation bias in it or awareness of it. if you understand what I'm saying with that one. But sorry, I don't want to take a conversation. Well, you're

Andrew Wilsongood. But let's let's just talk about it from the ideological. You can hold ideologies which are false based on confirmation bias like you're talking about. Many people do until they are moved into a position where their

Andrew Wilsonideology is tested and doesn't fit with the pattern. Then they enter cognitive dissonance because their confirmation confirmation by a shatter is based on new pattern recognition. hope. What actually doesn't happen unless they're

Natalie Stavolalike forced to recognize it and forced to face the information. Now, what we see in dating is confirmation bias is huge. If you have a belief system that all women, all men are [ __ ] or nothing

Natalie Stavolaor all women are toxic. I'm sorry, but if you put if you put someone in a room full of quality people or nice people, they'll they'll make it up in their head. You will make it up in your head. You will actually physically hear it differently and you will repeat it back

Andrew Wilsondifferently. You can ask someone with confirmation never say that the idea of like all women are [ __ ] No, no, I was giving an example that you I know you didn't say that. Like in these monolithic tones, but I do think but we

Natalie Stavolageneralize that. Yeah, of course we generalize. But that's part of pattern recognition is generalization. And that's what but that's a good one to recognize. I'm generalizing. So my pattern is is that I'm I'm generalizing and I'm seeing these people and I'm putting them in No, I'm generalizing

Andrew Wilsonbased on patterns. So I would just say like for instance, uh I don't get in very many car accidents. So I think driving is pretty safe for me. That would be a pattern that I would recognize. Right. But if you were to see the But if I were to Well, how about

Andrew Wilsonjust I were to be moved to a large city where there was massive traffic congestion and now suddenly I'm driving a lot more and I'm getting into more accidents. I might enter into like, oh [ __ ] my preassion about driving being

Natalie Stavolasafe is actually driving is only safe under these circumstances, right? If that happened, but you could also go to that big city and suddenly only drive like, you know, 2 p.m. when there's no traffic. So you could absolutely still hold that belief

Andrew Wilsonsystem to do right. But that makes my point for me that the ideology unless presented with new patterns is going to hold still based on pattern recognition. Yes. Based on pattern but that's why it's on the individual as well too. So

Guidanceyou said like women are like less um like not not available but reliable for like advice and stuff. Like for me it's much different like growing up in the south like my mom and my grandmother and

Guidancemy aunties like those powerful women were the ones leading the family like giving advice cooking all the meals and like I couldn't really name maybe like one or two males that really had a

Andrew Wilsondramatic impact on my life where I would say like oh yeah like like well I need you to remember this though that I didn't actually say who was more available for advice. No, that that was a bad that was bad. What I said was who has better ones I would actually go to

Shannon Daveyfor advice. For me, it wouldn't be a man because I actually said women are more available a lot more available for advice. A lot more like depends on the subject. I think it depends on what you're asking them advice on because

Andrew Wilsonwomen would be experts on makeup for example like stereotypically raising kids stereotypically. You know, here's the thing. Why the [ __ ] would a guy go to a girl for advice on makeup? We can answer that. We're in LA. Give me an

Andrew Wilsonexample. Like women aren't but I mean let's actually let's actually dive into like the examples, right? So the example of like makeup. Guys aren't going to go to [ __ ] women for advice on makeup. They don't wear anything. Like when women go to other women for advice, it's

Andrew Wilsonon their expertise. What What would men be going to women for advice for how to get women? That's about it. Well, when you think about it, like let's break it down. A woman. There's not

Andrew Wilsonactually that much for men to go to women for advice on. So if they wanted to talk to very wealthy people, plenty of men who are very wealthy, usually more wealthy than women. If it was going to come down to an occupational like

Andrew Wilsonskills, there's no way women are going to get better advice on electrical, roofing, you know, concrete mixing. It depends. Just like makeup was one of them. It doesn't depend. What What woman are you going to go to for advice on on

Andrew Wilsonmixing concrete? Come on. Well, some women would be better at sales specifically. Sales. It depends. Yeah. Yeah. But but here's the thing. Even then, right? Wouldn't you, if you were a man, go, "Okay, well, there's some disadvantages I have immediately, like I

Andrew Wilsondon't have boobs and I'm not cute and I don't have this and I don't have that." You're going to go to who for the best advice on how to sell [ __ ] as a man? Men, I think you're going to go with Yeah. someone that looks like you that that way you're like, "How do you do

Shannon Daveywhat you do with that part?" I agree with advice for women on if they're the person you're trying to sell to. You get advice on being better at sales through that. That would be market research.

Andrew WilsonYeah. Except the most successful marketers on planet Earth were men. I bet they probably asked and they got the entire planet to smoke and they got the entire planet to do all of these other things which are This isn't the greatest

Andrew Wilsonargument right now. Well, actually well actually I'm kidding. Imagine you like imagine all the bad but you said good advice. Well, you do that. Well, imagine that you can actually get through

Andrew Wilsoncrafted um through like crafted propaganda the whole population to smoke. That was men who were able to at least craft that propaganda. It worked for men and women. Yeah. So, it's like and they weren't like and by the way

Guidancethat was like the most misogynistic society ever. they weren't I think that's the what she said was that men were the first ones who can get in that role and I think that so they have you know they're a step ahead of women

Guidancethat's changing like now like I'm an executive chef when you wouldn't really see executive chefs in a female role like now my fiance is a pilot like women are terrible at marketing let me give you some

Andrew Wilsonad do you remember Budlight Budlight had a massive controversy where they put where they put Mulaney on a Bud Light beer can, right? And then lost the entire market share of Bud Light.

Andrew WilsonSpearheaded by a woman, right? Spearheaded by a woman trying to sell this beer. Not because she understood Dylan a woman. What's that? Well, that depends on cuz I know a little bit about

Andrew Wilsonyour background that I I'm assuming you don't see Dylan Mulaney as a woman. Yeah, I see the woman in charge of the marketing campaign is a woman. Okay. The woman in charge of the marketing campaign who had a vagina is definitely

Andrew Wilsona woman. Yeah. By any criteria I can think of. Okay. I didn't know if you're talking about Dylan specifically or if your opinion sit the person who put Dylan on the can. Okay. That was a female in charge of that. Completely

Andrew Wilson[ __ ] it all up. Right. There's multiple marketing campaigns actually I can point to that spearheaded that they [ __ ] up because they don't take in the male element. They take in the female element. That was a campaign. I think that that's something to learn for sure.

Natalie StavolaI'm sure we can point to men failures as well too. You know what I mean on marketing. But there's but there was a study that did come out and I can't remember the guy's name so I haven't gotten to say it. Um but he just uh there's studies that have come out and

Natalie Stavolawe can debate it or whatever but um apparently women make excellent CEOs and better CEOs. No they don't that's not that's on there's data on that one. No but you can look on that one else.

Andrew WilsonThere's also data there's also data on this. There's also data that says that if you have corporations that do diversity hires they actually do better than corporations that don't. That was a study that came out that I was just debating the other day till I came into

Andrew Wilsonthe debate with all of the modern reputations to the study based on of course the new evidence which emerged when they went back to replicate that study. Turns out those companies were already doing great. They just had so much money they were able to start

Andrew Wilsonplaying Costco. There was tons. There was a bunch of Fortune 500 S&Ps. They just had so much money that they were able to start playing around with this model. It wasn't that that model made

Natalie Stavolathem rich. They were already [ __ ] rich. They just had enough money that they can start playing with the model. What's the term for that? That's uh Damn, I'm blinking. No, no, no. You know when like something looks like it's coming from this. There we go. It was a

Andrew Wilsoncorrelation, not a causation. Correct. Exactly. They actually said like they took a coralate. They took a correlate and then asked pretended it was a causation when it wasn't to affirm a

Andrew Wilsonbias. So the thing is is like anytime I look at this stuff, right, I realize that when it whenever it's led by empathy first, which women usually lead their morality by empathy first, it's

Natalie Stavolausually a massive failure. It's usually a massive failure. I I hope that they mix both. I think that we can learn from both men and women. I agree because I think that if a woman's just coming in and she's only looking the empathy, then yeah, absolutely you're losing it. But

Natalie Stavolaif a guy is coming in, he's only looking at one thing as well too. I think that, you know, yeah, if you open yourself up and think about different things and new ways of attacking, I wouldn't dispute that. I wouldn't dispute the idea that there's going to be some. So, I wouldn't

Andrew Wilsonmonolith anything. I wouldn't say anything's always an all of anything. But if we look at general trends, what we say is that women lead with empathy first, right? Men tend to lead with reason first. Yeah. When I coach

Natalie Stavoladifferently, like if I coach women, I have to get them to like stop with feeling stuff. It's I just need you forward motion. But with men, I need them stop forward motion because you're making mistakes and not assessing. So I

Natalie Stavolaneed you intuitive. So men can listen to your gut. You've done it and you and you said it. can w you right now could look look at someone or look at someone's profile and intuitively kind of know based on logic based on things based on whatever but you could know who that

Andrew Wilsonperson is what they're about to do or say or or what not or if they're a good person decent person or I've had I've had significant but I've had significant advantages of having of of of having

Andrew Wilsontons and tons of interpersonal conversations with thousands of different people all over the place right so it helps your intuition I have significant advantages that the general public would not have when it came to to

Andrew Wilsonunderstanding what people are saying, why they're saying it, what type of worldview they're leading from. Yeah. Most people don't have that. No. And because they don't, right, it's easy enough for me to just say, look, generally women do lead with empathy.

Andrew WilsonYes. And generally men do lead with reason. Yes. If that's the case, right? Who the [ __ ] would you want in charge of every situation? Probably the sex. I want the person either one that's unlocked both. So for a man, if he's got

Andrew Wilsonintuition, what advantage does empathy give you over reason? Intuition. Think about it as intuition. No, no, not intuition. That's not my question. What advantage? Oh, yeah. If a man if a man

Natalie Stavolahas empathy, if a man has uh is able to forward motion plus empathy, I feel like he's lethal. What? How? What is What does the empathy give him in the marriage? Other things like if you're in

Shannon Daveythe dating pool, a woman's going to look for a man who has empathy as well as strength. EQ. But if you have reason, couldn't she just fake the empathy? Who's faking empathy? Who is going to get married to someone who's been faking for that long? And you usually can spot

Andrew Wilsonred flags. So, like the idea I'll give you I'll give you this great example of this, right? And almost probably every man will do this where his woman comes to him with some stupid [ __ ] problem he doesn't give a [ __ ] about, but she

Andrew Wilsondoes, right? She cares about it for whatever reason, and it's literally [ __ ] meaningless. Totally meaningless. Means nothing. Totally irrelevant. Totally nonsensical. Nobody on planet Earth gives a [ __ ] He's like

Andrew Wilsonthis. He goes, "It's okay, honey." Right now, in his mind, I'm going to tell you what he's thinking. What he's thinking in his head is, "God, this is [ __ ] stupid. And I hope that you just stop with this [ __ ] [ __ ] in the next 20 minutes. That would be great. I got

Andrew Wilsonother [ __ ] to do. I can't even believe that you're hysterical about this. This is They're faking empathy.

Natalie StavolaHold up. We have to do that, too. No. It's called a relationship." No, no, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding on that one. Don't jump down my throat on that. Are you actually that

Andrew Wilsonway with your wife sometimes? Like like there's been times where my wife for instance, right? Just like every woman on planet Earth, she's been on her period, completely irrational, right? Says some stupid ass [ __ ] [ __ ] and I've told her things like, "Go to your

Andrew Wilsonroom." Literally, go to your room and take a [ __ ] nap until you can act and take an act like a [ __ ] human being. Go to your room and take a [ __ ] nap. I hope she Does she she speaks to you? She goes to her room and she takes a

Natalie Stavola[ __ ] nap. And the next thing I know, she acts like a rational human being. Does she speak to you that way, too, though? And and I mean that in a good way. But is she Do you guys get to communicate like Let us Well, let us pretend. Let us pretend for a moment. Cuz I'm Italian, so we talk like that as women, too, in our families. Yeah, I'll

Andrew Wilsonrespond to this. So, I'm just saying that I'll respond to this. I'll respond to this. Let us pretend for a moment that what for a week out of every month I completely lost my [ __ ] mind due to hormones and started like, oh, I don't

Andrew Wilsonknow, ripping doors off of hinges. I'm sure she probably wouldn't be very pleasant about that. Yes. Exactly. But guess what? But guess what? She's like, "Go take a break." Because because because I'm not I don't have what is

Andrew Wilsoncalled hormonal lunacy once a month. You don't have to worry about that. Men lead with reason. So, no. Of course, my wife my wife's not going to talk to me like that. Maybe you might have some reason, but you you suppress emotions and you

Natalie Stavolaemotionally explode and anger. You're supposed to suppress emotions. Yes. Absolutely. Go for it. Suppress, men out there. Suppress. And then suppress. You don't want to see what happens. Push it down. You only allow horniness and

SPEAKER_06anger. Yes. Really quick before I move this on. You've been grimacing the entire week. I know. I know. We got And she had such a great point.

Brian AtlasHe's not been happy. Yeah. What What do you think about this this terrible misogynist? All the misogynist can't believe what

Wu (Cassie)I've just heard. Terrible. Yeah. I know. Yeah. That's exactly why I don't turn to men for help or emotional support. What did he actually say? like he doesn't care about what the girl is talking

Wu (Cassie)about like her feelings saying like lunacy hysterical all these words like even hysteria the word esmologically is like anti- women like it's made up by

Andrew Wilsonmen to saying women are crazy so I don't know do women let me ask you a question do men get periods no they do change hormonally we've

Andrew Wilsonnoticed not like that they have hormonal frequencies do women hang on do Women do women one time per month have massive hormonal changes which affect literally how they think?

Wu (Cassie)Not everybody. Not every woman. You can actuallyot. You can actually have smaller. Why do I turn to women for help? It's because like when I feel really sad, I need to have emotional

Shannon Daveysupport. Yeah. You want them to lie to you. Yeah. You want them to lie to you. I can calm down and then like I can reason myself. I can think it through. And also, see, we don't want them to be lying to us. We want them to have genuine empathy, which they don't. They

Brian Atlaslie. Women lie to us. We all lie. That's fine. No, we all do lie. Of course, I don't even care. We'll come right back to this. I need to this chat. I'm very sorry I missed it. Or a TTS came in 25 minutes ago. I apologize. Normally,

SPEAKER_08we're on top of these, but I missed it. 21 donated $200. Thank you, man. I apologize. High body count. Six plus. Have a greater likelihood of cheating.

Andrew WilsonRelationship dissatisfaction. can't pair bond depression and it's just disgusting. Why would any guy want that? Actually, the last part of what that chatter said is the most important part.

Andrew WilsonAnd it's just disgusting. That's all that needs to be. If it is the case from the man's prism that it's revolting and preferences are fine to have, then that's that's no. Sure. Absolutely. You don't need any preference. Your preference your preference, but that

Joeypreference is changing. where men feel like it's okay for them where if a woman has a higher body count, it's a no. I think that that's where a disconnect and it just doesn't

Brian Atlasseem like fair. Here's the thing. Well, let me ask you a question. Uh you go on first dates? Yeah, of course I go on first dates. When's the last time you've been on a first date? It's been a while.

JoeyUh how many first dates have you have you been on? Um in my ripe age, I'm not really sure. I I'll say maybe in the last year I've gone on I don't know eight dates. Okay. Who

SPEAKER_01paid Who paid for the dates? Um the men have. Mhm. Did you offer um one time? Yes. And I actually paid and the guy decided not to get anything. Yeah. And then but you said wait and he didn't pay

Brian Atlasfor anything. He didn't ask for anything when I offered to pay. So I was like all right getting my own thing. So, I mean, we can discuss about what's fair, what's unfair, or double standards or benefits that men receive, benefits that women

Brian Atlasreceive, male privilege, female privilege. Uh, you seem to have a double standard as it relates to who pays on the first date. So, what's the actual problem? I don't think it's a double standard. I think that do you pay for dates? I I have. Okay. Other than the

Brian Atlasfact that he didn't order anything, I was very willing to pay. Okay. So, seven of the eight dates that you went on just this year, the man paid for the man paid for all of them. Yes. Because he asked me out on a date and I was like, "Sure."

Brian AtlasDo you ask men out on dates? No. Oh, okay. So, conveniently, it's just very convenient this whole men should pay on dates. Whoever asks should or excuse me, whoever asks should be the one who pays

Brian Atlason dates. But women conveniently never ask men on dates. So your argument as to who if if your argument is whoever asks should pay would make sense to me if men

Brian Atlasand women asked each other out at equivalent rates, but they clearly don't. So you're kind of going around the bush as to uh beating around the bush or not beating I'm actually interested in how this correlates to my

Brian Atlasthing about why is it okay for sure. Sure. So here here's the example. So you were saying, well, it's kind of uh okay for men to have a high body count, but when women have a high body count, there's an issue with it. So there's a

Brian Atlasdouble you claim there's a double standard that exists, right? Yes. Right. And you might say, for example, as follows. If a guy himself has a high body count, it would be unfair or unreasonable or hypocritical or a double

Joeystandard for as a man with high body count to desire a woman who has a low body count. Oh [ __ ] So definitely he can desire someone. I just don't think it should be shamed

Guidancelike oh it's disgusting. We're not I don't think we're talking about well to use that term disgusting to describe a person because of their human experience. Disgusting for the women. No

Brian AtlasI'll explain it. So for example uh body count sort of moves it far away from what uh sexual encounter actually is. So for example uh and there could be differentials here. You'll probably

Brian Atlasrespond like, "Oh, well, a woman could have a high body count, but she's been celibate for 3 years." But I'd point to it like this. For example, here's how it's disgusting. If a woman slept with a a different guy the night before and she

Brian Atlasgoes on a date with me and I sleep with her, that's disgusting to you to to most men. That's going to be disgusting. If a woman in recently slept with another

Brian Atlasman, especially if she [ __ ] him without a condom, especially if he she let him come inside her. Can I say why? Can I just ask why? Why do you know that? Well, I mean, why is it

Joeydisgusting? Biologically, socially, or emotionally? What is disgust? All of the above. Okay. Can we break those down? Maybe. Sure. Actually, let's just start with Let's start with the biological.

JoeyPersonally, I actually wouldn't disagree with you. Now, although I have gone on dates and things like that, I would not disagree with you. I just mean in general, I just want to know why it's okay. She I know she wants to discuss it, but I don't disagree. If she was

Brian Atlaswith somebody, went raw, he came in her whatever, and then goes on another date, and then that's going to happen the very next day with a new person. I'm not in disagreement with that. The main point I was going to say here is is that when it comes to the unfairness, I think you're

Brian Atlaspointing towards the double standard or the potential hypocrisy. Now the thing is my view is when it comes to both men and women we are allowed to desire things in a partner traits uh in a

Brian Atlaspartner that we ourselves don't possess. So for example I I wouldn't find it uh a double standard necessarily or hypocritical if a woman who was poor was

Brian Atlasattracted to and dated and or wanted to date really rich men. I don't think that that would be hypocritical or double standard. So a guy who has a high body count for example I don't think it would

Joeybe hypocritical or a double standard if despite him having high body count he wants to he has a preference for women with a low body count. I think it's different because I think it's how would it be different? I think because it's

Joeymorally like if you're loose with yourself with other people then you know maybe the person that doesn't have as much money that like your your example was if a poor girl Okay. No no no go ahead. I have a response though. Go.

JoeyOkay. Sure. So, like if your your example is like, okay, there's this poor girl or somebody who's maybe just like a server. She doesn't make a ton of money. She wants to date someone who makes six figures, who knows, whatever, a multi-millionaire. I don't think that that's the same morally, maybe she

Brian Atlashasn't had the same opportunities to somebody who a guy that sleeps around. Okay. So, I'll respond to that. So, are you stating that when it comes to preferences, people are only entitled to

Brian Atlashaving preferences as it relates to morals? Because women have uh one last thing and I'll let you respond. Women have plenty of preferences for men that have nothing to do with

SPEAKER_01morals. Uh and they do and they also have preferences that do relate to just relation relationally even to just attraction. Right. It sounds like we went off topic from shaming someone. Not really like we're still on I think it's

SPEAKER_08still somewhat on topic flow. So go ahead. I'm going to let this come in but then Murphy donated $200. Thank you Christopher Murphy. Sorry for the delay. You can't reason with these women. They

SPEAKER_08are driven by emotion and are therefore unreasonable. Reason and logic push society, ladies, not your feelings. That sounds like an emotional response. But when you go home, right? Cuz when you go home, you want that woman with feelings.

GuidanceYou don't want a woman that sits there and is analytical. You don't come home to a pair of boobs that are hard as rocks. You come home to a soft do. And you know, I mean, like like I think there's a balance. There's just that

Andrew Wilsonbalance that we have to you make well you make a a fine point. I would just give the quick reputation before Brian and uh the gal get back into it. The only thing I would say is this. It is the case you are right that men are

Guidanceperfectly happy to have women who lead with emotion in their life if they submit to them. Yeah. I mean like I'm more masculine my relationship and my current partner and fiance. She's more feminine and she definitely like she

Guidancesubmits she submits to me because like I I mean she makes but she makes more money than me as a pilot and me as like a chef and doing like more gig work and stuff like that. So has nothing to do with what submission is ultimately but

Andrew Wilsonwell no I definitely know that but I just mean like did you want to continue? If you don't mind just repeating, I kind of lost track of the You guys were focused on whether or not it was hypocrisy. Brian,

Joeythere was a focus on the higher body count. I think that versus women. I mean, I think that if longterm you're looking for somebody like obviously you're going to want to connect on moral things, on compatibility is a, you know,

Joeysome a factor in in a long-term relationship. So yeah, I think that if you're going to be not asking but looking for the preference of somebody who has a lower body count, you yourself should not have been like a hoe as a man. Well, let me see if I can make a

Andrew Wilsonresponse to this by just asking you a simple question. Would it be a deal breaker for you if you met a man and he had all the right criteria, he was um a millionaire perhaps uh he he met the

Joeyattractiveness scale that you wanted. if he had slept with 150 women but he wanted to settle down with you. I think he was if he was ready to settle down then that's fine as long as he's clean and now it's just him and I were married. So that wouldn't be a

Joeydealbreaker. Right. Right. Okay. But for men that's a deal breaker but for a majority of men I want to know why. Maybe logically it makes sense. Well actually actually it should

Andrew Wilsonlogically make sense. Hypocrisy people use this word the wrong way. Hypocrisy doesn't mean I'm guilty of the thing in which I'm telling you not to do. That's

Andrew Wilsonnot hypocrisy. Hypocrisy has a um experience of of pretending. So, let me give you an example. I smoke, but I tell my children not to smoke. Does that make

Joeyme a hypocrite? Should I tell my 10-year-old they can smoke? Well, I mean, 10 years old, there's a lot of things you shouldn't do at 10. As a parent, I do think that it's confusing for the

Andrew Wilsonchild. But the pretending that's why it's not hypocrisy. Pretending is what's a hypocrisy. So if I were to say it's wrong for anybody on planet Earth to smoke and then smoked, I'd be a

Andrew Wilsonhypocrite. But if I'm like a fat person, let's say I'm really fat, right? And I'm around another fat person say, "Hey, you should lose some weight, right?" That's not hypocrisy. That person actually maybe should lose some weight. You

Andrew Wilsonactually being fat doesn't have anything to do with whether or not that person should lose weight or not. It would only be if you said right I myself right as a not fat person am telling you not to

Andrew Wilsonlose weight that would then make you a hypocrite right hypocrisy has an um you have to have some type of pretending associated it's not hypocrisy people

Andrew Wilsonconfuse this with just you are guilty of the same thing you're telling the other person not to do a great example of this I was a former drug addict let's say okay and I'm telling people not to be

Joeydrug addicts. Am I a hypocrite? No, because you've changed your ways and you're trying to I would think that as a man, you're trying to lead by example, right? That's what a traditional man But but if I was if I said, "Okay, I'm a

Andrew Wilsonformer drug addict. You stop being a drug addict and secretly did drugs, would I be a hypocrite then?" Yeah. Right. That's what actual hypocrisy is. So if a man see the definition so if a

Andrew Wilsonman so if a man has a preference who and he says um I don't want a woman who has a high body count right but he's fine with his own high body count that's not

Joeyhypocrisy okay I mean to me I'm still not convinced it's still it still seems like an unfair like I mean obviously people can have their well you can say it's not

Andrew Wilsonfair you can't say it's hypocrisy um I don't know what's hypocritical about it being guilty of that which you're accusing the other person. That's not hypocrisy. Depending on the why on the

Joeywhy, but so when you say it's unfair, right? I couldn't I can't think of a better word to use. That's fine. Let's go ahead and grant double standard maybe. Yeah, that might be better. Let's

Joeygo ahead and grant double standard. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's okay. Uh let's go ahead and grant that it's unfair. So yeah, I I'm just trying to understand if

Joeywhere the logic is behind it. If you guys know well you guys the logic of what the logic of why it's okay for you for I'm not going to say you men typically always are they are are known for sleeping around if they can get it

Brian Atlasthey're going to take it cuz maybe women I'm sorry well can can you clarify when you say it's okay what specifically cuz I don't think I'm making the claim that

Brian Atlasit's okay for men to be promiscuous but I I am saying it's okay for a man who has a high body count to want a woman who doesn't date a woman who has a low body count or who's a virgin. And I'm

Joeynot nec I'm not disagreeing with that. I just think it's the the shame and the you're disgusting and you're calling, you know, it's revoling and yet they're sleeping around doing the same. I'm actually fine with that, too. I'm fine

Andrew Wilsonwith that, too. And but are you saying it's revoling for both to be doing it, like both to be promiscuous? I I my viewpoint always follows from Christian ethics. So promiscuity in men is ju from

Andrew Wilsonmy view, right, is a no no just like it is with women. But while that's prescriptively true, meaning this is a prescription I give men and women, I'm also going to give a descriptive truth. The descriptive truth is that it's less

Andrew Wilsonof a big deal for women than it is for men. And because that is the case, that women perceive it that way versus men, the societal damage is always going to be lesser if men do it than if women do. Sure. Yeah, that makes sense. Simple. Honestly. Yeah. There's my prescription.

Andrew WilsonMy prescription is that neither of you should do this. But descriptively, if this behavior is found in one sex versus the other, it's more damaging. That's why we have virtues. That's what femininity and masculinity is. It's a

Andrew Wilsontie to virtue from the sex, right? So, if women engage in one type of virtue and it does way more damage if they abandon it versus men, it's feminine. It's masculine. If men refuse the virtue, it does way more damage to

Andrew Wilsonsociety. That's a masculine virtue. So, you're saying society because men typically do do it. Hold on, let me take this back. No, no. The ramifications on society are it it's not as bad, right? the outcomes are not

Andrew Wilsonas bad because women are generally more accepting of a high body. No, not just that because of reproduction like the the re there's a reproductive element which goes into it which would make it worse for like especially for the

Andrew Wilsonoutcome for children if it is the case that women are promiscuous versus men. Like for instance, you could have 300 promiscuous wh men all screwing the same

Andrew Wilsonwoman, right? For the for like the purpose of reproduction or whatever. That's that would be less bad than if you had 300 women get pregnant and be single moms, right? Like ultimately that would be worse, right? Wait. Worse for

Andrew Wilsonwhat? Just for society in general if there was 300 single moms versus one single mom, right? Uh that would still be worse. You would agree, right? I don't know. Are you trying to make kids? I don't. Yeah. It's not a matter of

Andrew Wilsonmaking kids. I'm just trying to give you a scale. That's it. Just like a sliding scale. I'm not saying any of it's good. Just which would be more optimal? Which

Shannon Daveywould be better? sense. Personally, my boyfriend and my ex right before him both had very low body counts. I don't know the exacts, but I know it's pretty

Andrew Wilsonlow. And I actually appreciated that in him. Okay. Yeah. We're not we're not even saying that there's a matter of appreciation. We're just saying that ultimately, here's what I see that women

Andrew Wilsongenerally speaking have have a lesser interest in the male body count than the men do with the female body count. Sure. And I also see the outcomes of if you have promiscuous women because they they can reproduce and men can't seems to

Andrew Wilsonactually be worse if women are promiscuous than men because men can be promiscuous with a small pool of women, right? But if women become promiscuous with a large pool of men, there's going to be reproduction. Is there a component

Brian Atlashere too to the I guess the unfairness and the double standard is that and I I agree with Andrew in so far as I don't think either men or women

Brian Atlasshould be promiscuous. I don't think promiscuity is good in men or women, but I do know that there is some cohort of men who, for example, if a woman sleeps

Brian Atlaswith a bunch of men, she's a [ __ ] If a guy sleeps with a bunch of women, he's a stud. Like, it's it's And not all, Trust me, there's men who frown on the guy

Brian Atlaswho's promiscuous, too, like I just said, right? Like, but I call them [ __ ] degenerates, but they're all degenerates. I like that we've gotten here, though. This is great. Yeah. Yeah.

Brian AtlasYeah. But there is uh there is some men who uh will be impressed by a man who's sexually successful with a lot of women.

Brian AtlasMhm. So is that a component of your argument? Yeah, that I mean that's a that's a huge part of it. So I mean I'm understanding where Andrew came from with the whole you know Right. I mean, I would, again, just to be clear, not in

Brian Atlasfavor of male promiscuity, but my uh I guess my response to that would be when it comes to the impressiveness factor or men who sleep with a lot of women, they're like, "Oh, that's you're you're

Brian Atlassuch a stud. You're so cool." Uh the reality is any single woman, if she wanted to, could be a [ __ ] Oh, yeah. Any single woman could be a [ __ ] Very,

Brian Atlasvery few men can be a [ __ ] Like most men, average man, he can't sleep with a new girl every single day. Every single

Brian Atlasgirl at this table, if you wanted to, you could sleep with a new guy every single day of the week. You could probably [ __ ] three guys in a day. You could probably [ __ ] 10 guys. I see I see you shaking your head. I will prove this

Andrew Wilsonto you. I will put a bet on the table right now for 500 bucks that if you and I go out to the street right now with a cardboard sign, you hold it up and say, "I'll sleep with any man who wants and I hold it up and say I'll sleep with any woman who wants," which one of us getting picked up first?

Gabby (Michigan)Okay. Which one of us getting picked up first? Probably me. Yeah. Yeah. Why Why do you disagree? I guess it's I mean, yeah, women, it's easier for a woman to go around go out and sleep around, but

Gabby (Michigan)for some women that's not the case, and for some men it's easy to go sleep around. So it's like you can't even say it's easier for one gender over the other because it's up two looks at the end of the day. There's attractive men

Brian Atlaswho can sleep around and there's attractive women who can sleep around. Well, okay. So So look, just to be clear, I'm not saying that there's zero men who are [ __ ] That's not even my argument. There's there absolutely are

Brian Atlasmen who can sleep with a bunch of women. I'm not this is not what I'm disputing. And then I think men either if they're really good-looking, they can do this. If they have like exceptional top tier

Brian Atlasuh charisma or personality, they can do it. If they're like, well, if they're super wealthy, but they're a dork, it's probably still going to be a little hard, but like if they're super rich

Brian Atlasmight help. And then if status, like she said, status celebrity, so like a professional athlete, a musician, an actor, uh these men, even if they're not really that good-looking or they don't

Brian Atlashave great personalities, whatever. Uh although sometimes status tends to give the aura or the halo of of uh charisma even if there's not actually any there

Brian Atlasbut um but yeah so those are the those are the scenarios in which men can be [ __ ] so to speak but I don't think um most men fall into those categories.

Brian AtlasMost men don't fall into those categories. So the reality is you can take here look you can take a woman who's averagel looking who's got a terrible personality, no personality,

Brian Atlasterrible personality. She has zero status. She has no uh fame. She has no money. She's not she doesn't have any of these things. She could hop on Tinder

Brian Atlasand sleep with three guys a day if she wanted to. Most women don't want to do that, but if they uh if she she could is what I'm trying to get at. Whereas like

Guidancemost men just can't do that. Possibly. You mean physically? I'm sorry. What do you mean physically? You mean they can't do that physically? No. What I'm saying is they on the apps. They're not the Why

Brian Atlascan't they do it? Even with like uh So there's there's a degree of effort, too, right? Like a guy who's really good-looking, but he stays inside all the time and doesn't communicate with women, but otherwise could get laid,

Brian Atlasisn't going to get laid. So, there is a degree of effort that's involved. But, I would argue like an averagel looking guy, uh, even if he's like putting in like a really good faith effort, like he spends 3 hours a day on dating apps, he spends another hour or two messaging

Brian Atlasback and forth with different women. H, it's he's not going to get laid every single day. Whereas a woman, I think you could get on a dating, you could spend about an hour on a dating app, do some messaging, you could [ __ ] three three

Guidancedudes in a day. And I think us women see it completely, for me anyway. I see that completely opposite. I was on like every app there was. And I got a lot of play, especially as like a masculine

Guidancepresenting person. But I I think it was because I was a more masculine presenting person that I got so much play. For for me, I would definitely say that if I was biologically male, it

Guidancewould be so much easier for me to swipe right and link up than it would be for because then like he said, you have periods with you. You should try. I mean, we just You should try that. I

Brian Atlashave. And it to you though, uh, have you been on dating apps at all? Yes. Okay. Uh, how many guys do you swipe no on on the dating apps? I don't know. I haven't been on

Brian Atlasrecently, but um quite a few. Quite a few. Like what percentage of men? If there's 100 guys, how many do you say no to? Probably like 6040. Oo. 6040. Okay. But how many of

Brian AtlasOkay. So, how many of those guys do you meet up with? Two. You've only met up with two. Okay. Let me ask you a question. Uh of all the men that you've wanted to sleep with,

Brian Atlasdid you sleep with them? No. Okay. What's the rejection rate? Um, so just to be clear, so you offered essentially, not super I'm not necessarily suggesting

Brian Atlassuper directly, but you offered to the guy basically, here's some [ __ ] You gave it to him on a silver platter and he's like, "No."

Gabby (Michigan)Um, that's not always been the case, but it's been more or less like um I don't know. In my experience, it's been I've been willing to, but then it's just like the personality is just I don't know how

Brian Atlasto explain it. the guy's personality. It's like, wait, that's making Brian's point, it's not good. And then it just makes me like, wait, you you were willing to have

Brian Atlassex in general, but that specific guy Well, I mean, I think we're all willing in general to have sex with people. But yeah, of course. So, you're saying, well, that's just a rejection then.

Brian AtlasBut so, okay. And but uh you were saying that Wait, I'm just confused. So, okay. of the men that you've offered sex to, were you turned down?

Brian AtlasOne time. Yeah. But just to be clear, I'm not saying like you had a boyfriend and one one time he was sick and he didn't want to have sex that one time. I'm just saying No, I've been turned down before. Yeah. You've been rejected.

Andrew WilsonOkay. How many guys have you turned down for sex? For sex? I don't really have Well, I have I I have a way to maybe demonstrate this that everybody will

Andrew Wilsonagree with. I call it the flasher hypothetical. It works like this. Hang on. It works like this. We'll take a 25year-old random man, 25-year-old random woman. They have an overcoat on

Andrew Wilsonand nothing underneath. And they're flashing people in a random Walmart parking lot. And what they do is they open up the overcoat and they say, "Hey, you want to go have sex?" What the [ __ ] Tell me which one, man or woman, is

Andrew Wilsongoing to have sex almost immediately versus the other one, man or woman? who I would have sex with. No, no, no. Who any who in general normally would? Probably a woman. Okay, next. I'd

Andrew Wilsondefinitely say a woman. Next. Oh, yeah. Next. Next. Wait, I'm kind of confused on the question. Woman. Woman. Woman. Okay, that's the end of that then.

Brian AtlasDone. Women are more desirable. Done. The point to bring it back to this though, the whole thing was is like, okay, why is there this double standard where men are kind of exalted for their

Brian Atlaspromiscuity, not by all people, but by you know, uh, some some group of men. Uh, whereas women are almost kind of universally looked down upon if there's if they're promiscuous. It really just comes down to the impressiveness of the

Brian Atlasachievement. I think I think to some degree it's incredibly easy for women to get laid whereas for men there's some

Brian Atlasdegree of skill and complexity uh in order to achieve that. So for as a woman you don't need skill to to get laid by the way as demonstrated by our

Gabby (Michigan)hypothetical. Yeah. Okay. As demonstrated by our hypothetical. Go ahead. I don't know. I've seen some pretty grimy not that I don't even know how to explain it.

Gabby (Michigan)Just some grimy guys been able to get laid easily. Sure. Like there's there's a guy who actually spread sds around a school in my town because he was just sleeping around. Well, was he grimy?

Andrew WilsonBecause there's going to be lots of other men who were around him were like, "How did you do that?" But if a woman's doing that, there's no women around who are like, "How did you do that?" They all know how she did that. She just offered it up and men were like, "Sure."

Natalie StavolaYeah. Simple. So, it kind of comes down to like a skill thing like, "Oh, you didn't even have to work for it." So, it's not So, men are just Are they angrier then? Are some men angri that No. No. Or or just that they're like,

Brian Atlas"Damn, I want to be able to have sex more, but women get to do it easily." Let me I I guess I It wouldn't be either of those things. I I pose this question to you, I guess, going around the table.

Brian Atlasof the men that you've had sex with or well of the men that you wanted to have sex with and let's be reasonable here like m you probably wanted to have sex with some like really attractive

Brian Atlascelebrity but he's not in your he's not in your uh orbit really I'm talking about men you have like uh in person what the [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is going on

Andrew Wilsonhere what the [ __ ] is going on here what is what is this what is this what happened Yeah. Did Well, you said like

Andrew Wilsoncelebrity and then I look over she's beat red and giggling. She's beat red and Okay. So, spill it. Spill the beans. I'm in film making today. Okay. Why are they repeating your life?

SPEAKER_01Was it um Jared Leto? No, but I have friends that No, I'm Did you say oo? No. Oh, she said she did. I mean, I get it. Was there Was there a

Natalie StavolaLetto connection? No, not from I I know people that know them and that are on No, that would be great. Spill the beans. No, I I'm I'm on I can I see some of these people. We're

Andrew Wilsonon the red. Spill the beans. Your face was bright red. It was bright red. Spill the beans. No, he didn't get to finish a sentence. That's offiscation. Don't let her offiscate. She got to spill the beans. I We Yeah, he was You were in the

Brian Atlasmiddle of saying something here. Why don't we do this? Was it an athlete, musician, or actor? Actor. Actor. Actor. Actor.

Natalie StavolaUh, A-list. Yes, Leo. Nah, I was actually I used to be Leo's great. I No, not Leo and I, but I' i've met Leo a couple times. Leo. No, Leo was great. I

Brian Atlasmet him a couple times. I really liked him. Please don't take this offensively. Uh, or don't take offense to this. You're probably too old for Leo. I think so. I think that's what No, I think that's what happened. I think he met me and he was like, he only dates like 20

Brian Atlasunder 25 or whatever. So, and that's okay. Hey, I'm okay with being too old for that. Uh, we're going to read a couple chats, but we can come back to the convo in a bit. We got four. It looks like Lucas. Yes, there are double standard double standards. It just is.

Brian AtlasTrust me, there are double standards that go the other way. When I turned 18, this is Lucas, by the way. I signed up with selective. I'm pretty sure selective service. You didn't. When the Titanic goes and he's going to continue

Brian Atlashere. Thank you, Lucas. Appreciate it. To let me do this. Titanic goes down. You get whisked away to the lifeboat. I hang out and listen to the chamber orchestra. If we each go to the new

Brian Atlastrendy club and for those who don't know the reference when the Titanic was going down, the symphony orchestra was playing. They're women. They've all seen the Titanic.

Brian AtlasI had it when we if we each go to the new trendy club, you get in right away without paying cover. I wait in line like a schmuck for hours, only get in if

Brian AtlasI'm lucky, uh, and still pay the $100 cover. When the beaches of Normandy needed storming, a bunch of 18-year-old

Brian Atlasboys, uh, were sent off to do the storming while you stayed back and played Rosie the Riveter. Double standards are simply part and parcel of

Andrew Wilsonthe complimentary yet contrasting reproductive strategies. I don't think they're complimentary. Ultimately, I think that um that there's one's dominant and the other's not dominant. I

Andrew Wilsondon't even think it's complimentary. I won't even give it complimentarian status. I'm just unwilling to do that. I have better arguments for why it's not complimentarian. Dude, I know who who

Natalie Stavolawho it was. Who? Carrot top. Oh my god. No. What? You definitely did Carrot Top. You know what? Listen. No. But in Yeah. Would you do Carro? Would you do Carrot

Natalie StavolaTop? Who's Carro Top? He's not as like He's like 18 or 19 top, dude. I don't Is he still Is he still out and relevant or I don't know if he's done any comedy things lately. He draws his [ __ ] eyebrows in. I mean, come

Brian Atlason. Oh, we have a message here from Andrew's wife. This is Rachel Wilson, Andrew's wife. The hormonal roller coaster is real. Andrew is right. Sometimes I just need a nap. And I'm being hysterical. Women need to

Brian Atlasunderstand this so they don't blow up their lives because of mood swings. Uh, you've got a big face on this. Do you want to What do you think about the comment from Andrew's wife? What do you

Andrew Wilsonthink there? Um, well, she can accept it. She That's why she is his wife. Yeah. Sorry. Okay. Uh, I mean, you could just like kind of lie and pretend that

Andrew Wilsonthat doesn't happen with women, but it [ __ ] happens with women. And if you talk to every man who's been in a relationship with a woman, they all have seen this time and time and time again

Andrew Wilsonwhere it's like, "How come my normally rational and pretty reasonable significant other has just lost her [ __ ] mind?" And by the way, um they actually, and this is something a lot of men won't tell you, a lot of men take

Andrew Wilsonpreparation. They have preparations for this event. They actually like a survival kit. like a [ __ ] survival kit in their home, like a first aid kit, like a like a flare kit for if you're if you're stuck on the side of the road.

Andrew WilsonThey have a preparation strategy where they're like, "Here's what happens when this thing happens. I'm ready for it." Bam, bam, bam. They they have it all in place. You think I'm crazy? There's going to be men in the chat right now who are telling you, I'm telling you,

Joeythey're going to be like, "Yep, yep, yep." Yep. Yep. Yep. I'm ready. I'm ready. I'm ready. I kind of love this just because it's like all we're asking for is some understanding. I'm not saying I'm being rational on that one month. Sometimes I'm extra sleepy. It's

Joeylike I'm in a coma. Or it could be the opposite. So, I'm not saying I need you to lie to me. Just understand that if I'm losing my mind in this moment, how do you differentiate between when a woman's being hysterical to you and when she actually genuinely does need you?

Andrew WilsonHere's the thing that's really interesting about delusion. The thing and and it is it is Well, hang on. It is a form of delusion. I'll explain. If you have a rush of hormones you would not normally have, right, it it can make you

Andrew Wilsoncrazy. You could do this with any human being on planet Earth. You could perhaps take a man. Yeah. Right. And rush him with all sorts of like positive male hormones and they go [ __ ] berserko, right? And, you know, possibly rip doors

Andrew Wilsonoff handles, do crazy [ __ ] like that. The thing about delusion, which is so interesting, is that the person who's diluted doesn't know they're diluted. So, you can't actually rationally, reasonably, but how do you as her

Shannon Daveyhusband know when she's being delusional versus when she's like genuinely? Well, just like I've been with her for years and years and years. But what about someone who's in a new marriage, let's say, or a new relationship? Well, it's

Andrew Wilsonit's not hard to detect usually for most men that like, wow, this person was really cool 24 hours ago and now they've lost their [ __ ] mind. That's really weird. and they and then wait 4 days

Shannon Daveylater they seem like they haven't lost their [ __ ] mind anymore. That's really odd. But I think like as the woman who's going through something that you might consider delusional and maybe she in the back of her mind does know realistically this is not something to

Andrew Wilsonblow up about. It's about having a partner who understands that they do blow up about it though. Who that's the problem with the delusion, right? It's like if you're in the delusion, you don't know how bad you are. No, I know. But eventually you cool off. It's like

Andrew Wilsonhaving a partner who has the empathy to like ride with you through that roller coaster of emotion. Cuz what you're saying is how is that empathetic? The empa the empathy because something you said hormonal that you can't empathy the other direction. The empathy the other

Andrew Wilsondirection should be like look I'm literally uh jackal and hy and when I turn into [ __ ] hide I want you to be empathetic. It's like what the [ __ ] is that? No. When you turn into hide when

Andrew Wilsonyou you become the monster right from from Dr. Jackal, it's like the best empathy. The best empathy they have fail on purpose to make it happen. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter why you turn into hide. It doesn't matter why you

Shannon Daveyturn into hide. It just matters that you do. Well, sometimes it does matter. Like if your wife, for example, is drinking heavily and she turns into jackal because of her drinking, that's a choice. But to have a period, it's not a woman's choice to have. Yeah. But what

Andrew Wilsonwould a man do in both situations? Same thing. Be like, "Well, you got to stop drinking so you don't turn into hide." Right? That you can't stop having a period, right? But but here's the thing that's interesting about that, right? You can't stop that. But it's actually

Shannon Daveymaximum empathy for a man to be like, "Look, you don't get to treat me like [ __ ] even if you can't help it." That's [ __ ] [ __ ] Treat anyone like [ __ ] [ __ ] There's boundaries.

Andrew WilsonThere's levels to it. But if the woman's not name calling, she's not, you know, throwing things, she's not being extremely hysterical. No, that's not it. That's not it. There's a spectrum to it. No, no, no, no. That's not just it. It also is like you might not be making

Andrew Wilsonrational decisions even if you're being nice to me that you normally would make you you know what I mean things like that it's not just a matter of like you need to still be nice to me even when you turn into hide. It's also you're not

Andrew Wilsonallowed to make like big big financial decisions big decisions about this. You're not allowed to like I don't know embarrass me at a [ __ ] party or something like like you're not allowed to do any of those setting boundaries around those things. I just would hope

Shannon Daveythat you know since you're married to a woman who can't help but have those things happen to her each month that you would have some empathy for her situation that she's not choosing to turn into the jackal. But don't you understand like the biggest amount of

Andrew Wilsonempathy is exactly the idea of like I'm still going to listen to you because I know right somewhere in me I know that this is not even though I can't quite detect it like most women can't they

Andrew Wilsondon't know when they're in it that they're in it right even though they kind of do. Yeah. Right. They kind of do. They can't moment. It's hard. Right. Exactly. Yeah. It's hard to admit and it's even hard to like deal with. Right.

Andrew WilsonSo, isn't the best thing to do from the empathetic level to deal with a rational person guiding you through that to be like look you're out of control. Stop. And you actually listen. Like imagine

Brian Atlasthat. Yeah. No, I think it works both ways too. Yeah. Having a good partner that has your back like that. Moving on just a little bit here. I did want to come back just for a moment before we have to do a couple chats here. Uh just

Brian Atlasgoing around the table when I was talking about well it's uh with the double standard well it's easier for women to get laid uh harder for men to get laid. Do you guys agree with that? I

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