Pregnancy WORSE Than War?! 300+ Body Count?! $1,000,000 To Date Her?! Andrew W! | Dating Talk #243

Date: 2025-05-19

Duration: 8h 55m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SShannon Davey >

NNatalie Stavola >

AAndrew Wilson >

GGabby (Michigan)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_00Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_02Gabby (Michigan)(guest)

SPEAKER_03Felicity(guest)

SPEAKER_04Natalie Stavola(guest)

SPEAKER_09Andrew Wilson(guest)

SPEAKER_10Shannon Davey(guest)

SPEAKER_11Guidance(guest)

SPEAKER_13Joey(guest)

SPEAKER_14Wu (Cassie)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll guests introduced including Wu (8 languages, PhD linguistics)

Key MomentGuidance: engaged after 6-week courtship. 3 prior marriages. Shunned from JW.

Key MomentNatalie: 8-year sobriety anniversary today (cocaine/alcohol). 300+ body count.

Key MomentAndrew's infinite regress argument on trans identity: if partner has penis and you perform oral, by your definition that's gay

OtherAndrew Wilson departs to sleep before next day debate

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Shannon, Guidance, Natalie, Joey, Gabby, Wu, Felicity, Andrew Wilson.

Octopus Water Incident

Water smells fishy. Brian blames Costco octopus contaminating fridge.

Body Count Discussion

Andrew's grimy dude multiplier. 10 ONS vs 10 failed LTRs trolley problem.

Bow Video and Submission

Brian shows ex bowing. Panel asked if they would bow. Wu: 3x/week max.

Minimum Income Round

Shannon $100-150K. Guidance $300K. Natalie $300K+. Joey $75K. Wu $36K/yr.

Transgender Identity Debate

Guidance: wrong to refuse trans people solely for being trans. Andrew's infinite regress on defining 'woman.'

Body Count Reveals

Felicity 2. Guidance 27. Shannon declined. Natalie 300+. Gabby 2.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasdown one person. Chad, I want your input on this. We had somebody running, not Andrew. Andrew gets a a pass, but we we had uh a girl running 30 minutes late

Brian Atlasand she came all the way from LA and I had to turn her away. Chad, do you think that's fair? You think that's fair? If you're going to be 30 minutes late to something, better luck next time. You know, you got to show up on time. If

Brian Atlasyou, you know, we give a little leeway. If you're 5, 10, maybe even 15 minutes late, we'll accommodate it. But 30 minutes late, that's crazy. And she she blew up. She got mad at me because she was 30 minutes late. Let me know what you think. If it if I should have accommodated or it's just like, hey,

Brian Atlasyou're going to be 30 minutes late to a production. It is what it is. Anyways, with that said, without further ado, we're going to have the guests introduce themselves. So, please tell us your name, age, occupation, where you're from

Shannon Daveyin education. Go ahead. Hello, I'm Shannon. Uh, you can find me online at

Shannon DaveyShannon S A N O N Davey D A V I World Wo R L D. Thank you for the shameless plug.

Shannon DaveyWhat? Uh, how old are you? I'm 29. Okay. I live in Los Angeles and I have four small businesses. I'm mainly a um

Shannon Daveycontent creator and I run a marketing agency and dabble in a few other things. petsitting, stuff like that. Okay. Uh any education? Yes, I am college

Shannon Daveyeducated. I have my bachelor's in what? Uh comedy, writing, and performance. They what? I think we talked about this

Brian Atlaslast time. Yeah, that's a thing. At uh Columbia College, Chicago, where like is it the same branch of that school in New York? Columbia. No, this one's like a separate Chicago. It's not

Brian Atlasassociated or affiliated with Columbia University. No. And what? Sorry. The degree is comedy writing, is it? And performance. And performance. Okay. And

Brian Atlasit's a bachelor of art or Okay. And that's Do you have a other a minor or anything? You think that was maybe a bachelor of science, right? They could offer.

Shannon DaveyI was minoring in like communication and PR. Um, but I didn't end up following through on that. Wait, you used to work at NPR? No. No. No, I was getting a minor in

Shannon Daveycommunications PR. Oh, PR. Okay. Yeah, I actually I started there as a musical theater major and then I switched to comedy writing and performance. And it's a it's a university in Chicago, you said? Yeah. Okay. Got it. All right.

GuidanceWhat about you? Hey y'all. I'm Guidance. I'm 37 years old. I'm from Louisiana originally, but uh moved to California to be a professional chef. So, I have a

Guidancesoul food restaurant here in Santa Barbara. I do a little TV and content create and stuff like that. I'm also a pastor, so I have a pretty

Guidanceforwardthinking uh church here locally. And um I'm currently getting my degree in culinary arts and marine biology here in Santa Barbara. All right. And sorry,

Brian Atlasdid you say your age? I might have missed that. 37. 37. Got it. And sorry, you're from where originally? Um from northeast Louisiana. That's right. That's right. All right. Nice. And uh you are do you already have a bachelor's degree or

Brian Atlasyou're working on it currently or working on it? Working on it. Okay. Got it. All right. And you said you're you're a a chef. That's right. Food chef. You should have brought some Cajun

Brian Atlasfood. My restaurant is right down to order. Same with plug mama. Soul food. Uh and you said you're a pastor. That's right. Okay. We'll we'll come back to that after the introductions. We'll

Natalie Stavolawe'll explore that. What about you? Hi, I'm Natalie Stavola. I'm 37 from Los Angeles and I am a career and dating coach for men. Okay. And uh age. Oh, sorry. You said 37. I meant

Natalie Stavolato say education. Sure. Florida State University, bachelor's um in psychology with a minor in propaganda and media. Minor in propaganda and media. And it's a BA, right? I actually did. It was a B.

Natalie StavolaIt's a BS, but uh when I when I graduated right before they offered me the BA because I did take a lot of just random philosophy. Sorry. Go ahead. Go

Natalie Stavolaahead. Sure. No. So, I I they offered and they said, um, do you want a BA or a BS because you have enough credits to have the BA? And I told him I was like, I can't say I have a BS degree from FSU.

Natalie StavolaJust put BA. Okay. Got it. Got it. So, both. And uh and so you're from Florida originally or originally from Connecticut. Lived in Florida for a long time and then moved out to LA about 11 years ago. Got it. And you said there

Natalie Stavolawas a minor in propaganda. So what what media communications? I was double major criminology and psychology for a while and then uh switched over to psychology and communications. I just focused more

Andrew Wilsonon PR propaganda. That was my focus. But propaganda have a negative connotation though. It does. That's why they rebranded to PR. Okay. Checks. Absolutely right. Yeah. Checks out. All

Joeyright. What about you? Sure. Uh, my name is Joey, aka the Filipina Latina. I'm a cosplayer and a streamer. Um, I also am an accountant during the day. So, we

Brian Atlaswear many hats. I'm 38 years old. 38. And, uh, where are you from? Um, currently I'm living in Vegas. I moved around a lot. Navy brat. So, Navy brat. Okay. Gotcha. And any education, any

Brian Atlasdegrees or anything like that? I have I have a certificate, but I never got to fulfill my my college career yet. Got it. Okay. And you said you do co cosplay. Cosplay. Cosplay. What's

Joeycosplay? Cosplay. It's costume play. So, we call it cosplay. Yes. And you do you don't have like OAF or anything like that? Uh, not anymore. Okay. You used to though? Yes. Got it. Okay. Uh, and how

Joeylong have you not been doing OAF? Um, OAF specifically that platform, it's been I don't know, probably over a year. I was doing some like exclusive content on a different site, but it was really

Joeymore just like more risque pictures, nothing, you know, it gave me an an opportunity to talk to people on a more one-on-one level. So, people that follow me. Gotcha. So, you deleted it or is it

Joeystill active? It's probably it's it's not active. It's there, but it's not active. Okay. Gotcha. And Shannon, did you you used to do OAF, too, or Yeah, I did OAF for two years. Got it. Okay. And

Shannon Daveyyou were like top percent or something? Yeah. I was at one point in the top 1%. Top 1%. Okay. Uh but you stopped. Really? Yeah. Wow. You're done though. You stopped. Yeah. It's been like almost

Brian Atlas2 years. Okay. And have any other involvement in anything else like dancing, like stripping? Oh, no. No. That's the only sex work, the OF stuff.

GuidanceOkay. What about you? Did you Did you say same? Yeah. I used to do burlesque. I did OF for a little while um back in Arkansas. So, yeah. Arkansas. Nice. You

Guidancewere in the top 1% too. Yep. Yep. Make a lot of cannabis content and adult. Wait, you combined cannabis content with burlesque? With burlesque with my spirituality. Cannabis is a big part of

Brian Atlasme. So, even my church is centered around cannabis. What What the hell is burlesque? Burlesque. It's like a a fancy word for It's like a fancier uh It's kind of vintage stripping. Yeah.

Andrew WilsonLike dont vintage. Who the hell is that? Oh no, that's unfortunate. I know. I know. My degeneracy skills are not up to

Andrew Wilsonsnuff. Who is She's like a famous burlesque dancer like the most. I feel like this is a circle. I'm like what is this dancing? And you're like this chick is well who's that the chick who did that type of dancing. So it's like I

Joeywill say burlesque dancers consider it more of an art form. They're not just working on

Brian Atlasstage. It's like Yeah, it's a stage, right? Whereas I guess like at a strip club like the burlesque dancers, they don't do like private room. No, there's no stripping usually. I mean, you can

SPEAKER_01It's like a stage like at a theater. They do that [ __ ] at a theater whereas a strip club, right? It's like I'm offering a $500 reward for a comprehensive degeneracy cheat sheet. I

Andrew Wilsonmight never get caught not knowing what these terms mean again. Okay. Off to a great start. Yeah. And so, uh, someone's going to take that seriously. Watch. Yeah. And then what

Guidancewas it like the nature of your OF? Were you doing solo content? Was it, uh, boy girl content? Uh, solo girl sometimes. Uh, mostly revolving around cannabis,

Brian Atlashonestly. Yeah. So in you guys would be like like making out and there's cannabis in the background. No, we're usually smoking a jet. Like is there like a bag of like cannabis on your head

Shannon Daveyor something? No. Like the like bongs and blunts and beautiful. I'm honestly I'm a little surprised to hear that cuz I didn't think that they allowed smoking

Guidanceon there. You have to be very uh creative with cannabis content in general, but especially when you have like o platforms like you were saying. Yeah. I mean, that would be just one

Andrew Wilsonstep too far to let pot, right? How dare you. Just that you're really crossing the threshold there, you know. I like that. That's what I do. Cross thresholds. What about you? Hi, my name

Gabby (Michigan)is Gabby. I'm 18. I'm from Michigan. I currently work at a hostess as a hostess at a steakhouse and I completed high school and did some college. Okay. And

Gabby (Michigan)uh you did some college. What what were you studying or I just did art education so it was mainly art focused classes like drawing studio art. Um I had an English class as well in another class

Wu (Cassie)but I forgot what class that was. All right. What about you? Hi, my name is Wu. I'm from China. I'm 29 years old. I'm currently a visiting PhD student at

Brian Atlasthe UCSB in linguistics. All right. And uh how far do you have your masters? Yeah. Okay. From China. Gotcha. And uh how close are you to uh

Brian Atlasgetting your PhD? Have you done your dissertation or working on it? Working on it. Working on it. Okay. And you're you got another one year, two years? Um hopefully one or two years. And uh but

Brian Atlasyou said you started working on your dissertation. Does that have a title? Not yet. Not yet. Um and you said you're studying linguistics. Yes. Uh can you tell us a bit more? Is there a specific

Wu (Cassie)thing you're working on with that or? Yeah, I focus on like interactive forms such as interjections and discourse markers in Mandarin. Like well or like

Wu (Cassie)if I give English examples. Mhm. Yeah. Like little items like that. Give us an example in Mandarin. For

Brian Atlasexample, uh would be like a filler. Yeah. Oh, okay. Got it. Yeah. Okay. All right. And uh where where are you from specifically in China? From Shandong

FelicityProvince. It's like five hour hours drive from Beijing. From Beijing. Got it. Okay. North. Got it. Cool. What about you? My name is Felicity. I'm 19 from Santa Barbara. I'm a full-time

Andrew Wilsonstudent majoring in business. All right, welcome. Andrew, what about you? Yeah, I'm Andrew Wilson, a host of The Crucible. I'm a political analyst, a political satist, uh, engage in debates and conversations all over the world.

Brian AtlasI'm happy to be with all of you here tonight. All right, welcome everybody. We're going to go around the table once more. So, what's everybody's current relationship status? If you're single, how long have you been single? And what's the longest relationship you've

Shannon Daveyever been in? Go ahead. All right. Well, I'm in a relationship and I my longest relationship was around 2 years. I've

Shannon Daveybeen in this current relationship for a year and a month. All right. One year about one year. Uh,

Shannon Daveyhow did you guys meet? We met on Bumble. Oh. What was your opening message? I don't remember. We were actually I I know our first conversation was talking

Shannon Daveyabout Easter and that he was with his family and I was a little confused because on his profile part of the reason I matched with him was because it

Shannon Daveysaid he was Jewish. So I was like Easter, but I guess his family is half so they celebrate both uh holidays, Passover and Easter. And so we chatted a little bit about that.

Brian AtlasYou were looking specifically for someone who's Jewish? Yeah. Yeah. Is it because you're Jewish? I'm Jewish. Yeah. All right. And the two-year relationship, who broke up with who? Um,

Guidanceit was kind of mutual, I would say. Mutual. Got it. Okay. All right. What about you? Oh, boy. Um, recently engaged

Guidancelike in the last week. Um, have a wonderful fiance. Before this, I was married to a man twice. So, two different marriages. Both to the same guy. Different guys. Oh, different

Guidancekinds. Okay. Yeah. Then I've been married to one other uh woman and so I've got um I would consider myself a lesbian but you know at times I've been kind of by um I'm also right now I'm

Guidancemonogamous but prior to this engagement I've lived a polyamorous lifestyle. Um I preached that openly at my church. So um longest relationship would probably be

Brian Atlasto my ex-husband. We were together like 12 and a half years something like that. Uh let me just get a bit of clarification. So you were married twice, right? Um in terms of

Brian Atlaschronological timeline, you were married to a a woman also, correct? So is that three marriages total? Uh yes, that's right. And then in terms of chronological timeline, can you just tell us like was it was it the man, the

Guidanceman, the woman or like what was the order? I guess. Funny. Uh yeah. So man, man, then woman, woman, and now again almost Yeah. woman again. So, wait. So, you've been married three times. Oh, but

Brian Atlasthen you were in a relationship with another woman and now you're currently engaged to a woman. That's the same woman. So, three marriages and then this fourth one to my current fiance. And

Brian Atlasyou're engaged and she's a woman. She's a woman. Yeah. I checked. Gotcha. Um and then also, uh you said you were polyamorous. I'm more monogamous now

Guidancerecently. Um uh you know, it's a struggle. I'll be honest. You know, she knows. I'm honest about it. Um, monogamy is a struggle for me. Um, even being very religious and being a pastor, um, I

Brian Atlashave different views than most on relationships and monogamy, but I'm doing it. Couple couple further clarifying questions. Um, the length of your marriages. Yeah. Uh, the first marriage, how long was your first

Guidancemarriage? Like 3 years. And was it monogous or open? Uh, monogous. That was Yeah. Okay. Uh, your second marriage, uh, how long did that one last? That one was longer. Um we were both very deep into church. I was a deaconess. He was a

Guidancedeacon. We were in like a traveling gospel band. That marriage and relationship was uh 12 years. It was mostly monogous until right up at the end u when we opened my our marriage up

Brian Atlasbecause I came out. So Oh, okay. And you said towards the end and it was 12 you were married. So would you say in like was it year 10? Probably year 11. Year

Brian Atlas10. My ex-wife right there at the end. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right, man. This is there's a lot of lore here. Um, okay. So,

Brian Atlasand then, uh, how long to your How, excuse me, how long was your third marriage? That one? Oh, goodness. Seven years. Seven years. And how old were you

Brian Atlaswhen you first got married? Um, oh goodness. Uh, 1920. Yeah. 1920. Okay. And then the guy who you married, how long had you been dating him prior to the marriage in 1920? Three years we

Guidancedid. Okay. So you guys were like high school sweethearts then? No, he was 13 years older than me or still is. Um so wait. And you met when you were old? Um that one I was 26 around 26 or so. Yeah.

Brian AtlasI thought you Wait, but I thought you met him when you were uh 19. That was my first. There's a lot to take in here. I know. I'm trying to keep up. That's right. Uh so okay, wait. So you The

Brian Atlasfirst one your first marriage was at 19. 19. Two or three years old. But you had been dating him like maybe like how soon after meeting him did you get married?

GuidanceOkay. So I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness. I didn't really date or do any kind of interacting until I was 19. Met him online. This was back when like

GuidanceYahoo Messenger and AOL Messenger was still a thing. Okay. I think we chatted on that platform for about a month or two before he met me in person. And then we had

Guidancelike a three-year relationship. Okay, got it. Okay. Of not celebrating Christmas. Um, yeah. I was like, "Oh, yeah, he celebrates Christmas and birthday, so I'll give this a shot." I had never done that before until I was

Brian Atlasin my 20s. Never celebrated my birthday or anything. Yeah. And so you've pretty much been, it sounds like there weren't really long periods of being single. No, you were married, married, married,

Brian Atlasmarried pretty much. Uh, I mean, what was the longest break from, I guess, the age of 18 to now at 37, uh, like of actually being single, I guess, or not married, I suppose. Um, a couple months.

GuidanceI mean, so little that I really couldn't even date when I was single. Like, I couldn't tell you at what chronological point I was actually single. I've always been Okay. active. Got it. And

Brian Atlasuh, I'm trying to parse all this information that's coming at me. It's a lot. I should have went last. Sorry. No, it's good. It's good. And uh you said you were Jehovah's Witness. Uh are you

Guidancestill like what's your denomin? You're Christian, right? Um Christian uh slash a little Shinto, a little Buddhism. My church kind of incorporates spirituality from a lot of different religions. Um

Guidanceespecially like nature-based, a little bit of Christianity, but you know, it's mostly love thy neighbor, love the earth, and love yourself. The church of spiritualism. Yeah, pretty much. It's called the waters. So very very nature.

Brian AtlasWe'll come come back to that. I'm sure Andrea has a couple questions on that one, but we'll get everybody's uh relationship status. So, okay. Uh and your longest relationship, you said, was 13 years. 13 12 years. Okay. Currently,

Guidanceand how long have you been seeing your current partner? So, we met on New Year's Day this year. Got engaged uh on Valentine's Day this year. Um that's when I asked her to marry me and then

Brian Atlasshe turned around and asked me to marry her like a week ago. So, double check. So you guys been together for about five, six months, right? Five, six months. Yeah. All right. That engaged. Very. And you you proposed

Guidancein six weeks. She was also So like with you with the Jewish thing, I really thought that was interesting cuz like for me and her, she had also shared Jehovah's Witness past for almost the

Guidancesame amount of time as me. And that was like very connecting for us uh for her to understand that part of my history

Brian Atlasand vice versa. So we connected really fast. Okay. All right. Uh, and you said, uh, you were a deacon. This was that

Brian Atlaswhen is that under Jehovah's Witness? No, that's Baptist. So that 12 year marriage. So what's the transition from you started as Jehovah's Witness? Correct. And then you became Baptist and

Brian Atlasnow and then was there were you uh Presbyterian or what was the transition to where you're at now currently? I would honestly say atheism. I went from

Guidancevery strict uh religious, you know, lifestyle for the majority of my life. Um I you can't really leave being a Jehovah's Witness once you commit. Um so Oh, like the shunning. Yeah. So I got

Guidanceshunned or dysfellowshipped as they called it. Can't talk to my family or friends or anything. Mom, you know, all that. So went from that. Like you you're not in touch with your Not really. No. My mom passed so Oh, sorry to hear that.

GuidanceYeah. Yeah. Uh what about like other family that's still Jehovah's Witness? Have you last time you spoke to them? Years. Um I was raised by a white family for 10 years also. Were you adopted or

Guidancewhat? She basically I mean she was also a Jehovah's Witness. My mom was going through a really hard mental time and so she came in you know changed my life. They really did. Um but she's also a

Guidancewitness so can't really talk to her. So I left that or got kicked out of that. Went into the Baptist religion when I met my ex-husband. He was already really

Guidancedeep in the church. So that just really took off. Do you ever miss dating guys or are you kind of over it? Um yes and no. I mean it we've only been together,

Guidanceme and my fiance 6 months. So before that I had dated a guy or two. You have to be really special to slip through that gate for me so to speak. Um got it. So I don't really miss it but you know.

Brian AtlasYeah. And then final question here. You said you've uh you're you've had periods of polyamory. Yeah. Uh, so I guess uh what when was that? Very recently. I

Brian Atlasmean it's it's a more recent thing. Okay. And then you were uh what's the most amount of people you've dated at one time? What do you consider dating? Just like hooking up with hooking up

Brian Atlaswith hooking up with all the way to like a relationship. Did you have poly partners where you're like you have multiple Yeah, there were definitely some polyules. There was multiple

Guidancepolyules. Okay. Yeah. What? Tell us about the polycules. Oh goodness. Well, I mean, for me, I would probably say four at the was like the max of me dating at the same time, those four

Guidancepeople. But then, especially back in the South and being in the LGBTQIA community, there's not a lot of us. So, like those same four probably dated the

Brian Atlassame four who dated Yeah. So, Okay. And what what was the break uh the gender breakdown for the Polycule? Was it honestly it was mostly girls and those girls boyfriends. I'm not sure why those

Brian Atlasgirls boyfriends seem to have a thing. But you were just dealing with the the it was a group of four girls or was there one guy? Girls. Okay. Four different girls. And I see. Okay. Got

Brian Atlasit. Wait. And they had boyfriends? Most of them did. But would you be like dealing with the boyfriends too? Yep. So

Brian Atlasyou were the unicorn for the four the what? Oh, the unicorn, the magical creature. It's like if a boyfriend and girlfriend are looking for

Brian Atlasa threesome, the the third person, the third party is the is the unicorn. Mhm. Okay. Are unicorns referenced in the Bible at

Brian Atlasall or No. No. I don't think so. I haven't read that. I don't know if they're like co-opting unicorn or something. Anyways, um there's so much We'll come back to some of that stuff. Sorry. No, it's No, it's great. No need to apologize. I was just asking you some

Natalie Stavolaclarifying questions, but what about you? Go ahead. Okay. What was the questions again? Yeah. How do you follow that? I'm having a field day as a dating coach. My mind is like, okay. Um, yes.

Brian AtlasYeah. Uh, can I have you just tilt your mic down slightly? Perfect. There we go. So, it's uh, what's your current relationship status? How long have you been single if you're single? Single for about a year. Longest relationship, 5 years. Longest relationship, 5 years.

Brian AtlasWho broke up with who in the five-year relationship? I broke up with him on the 5-year. And was the five-year relationship the one that ended a year ago? No, that one was uh like three years. Three years. Who broke up with

Natalie Stavolawho in that one? I think he broke up with me. That one was kind of mutual. Broke up with you. Got it. Okay. Or mutual. Sure. I'm sure he broke up with me on that one. I can't remember. Got

Joeyit. Okay. What about you? Uh longest relationship I was married for 13 years. Um, I'm currently single and the last time I dated someone was probably 6

Brian Atlasmonths ago. 6 months ago. All right. The marriage, uh, who broke up with who? I ended that. You ended it. So, you filed for divorce.

SPEAKER_01Yes, I did. Only marriage. Only marriage. Only marriage. Okay. Uh, why? Um, I don't want to go into too much detail, but there was um these terms. What's only marriage? Wait, what? Only

SPEAKER_01marriage. Wait, what did I say? Only marriage. Oh, I meant if if it was her only marriage. Oh, her only marriage. I was like, does that mean two only fans people were married? Like, what does that mean? He's learning a lot today.

Brian AtlasOnly marriage. If it was uh if she had been married, um no, it was my only marriage. Uh there was DV involved. So, yeah. Got it. Okay. And uh did that and if you don't want to talk about totally

Joeyfine, was that something that was always present in the relationship or it manifested later on? I think those are things that kind of happen. It's like a cycle on and off. So, it was always present. Not a lot in the beginning, eventually. Yeah. Got worse. Got it.

Brian AtlasOkay. And you said you've been single for 6 months. Was that when the marriage ended or is that a different relationship? I've been divorced about 5 years now. 5 years. Got it. Um the last person that I considered seriously dating was when we ended it was about 6

Joeymonths ago. And how long were you uh seeing him? I want to say maybe eight or nine months. All right. It was a long-distance relationship, so it was different for me. Very different. Who broke up with who? I want to say it was

Gabby (Michigan)mutual, but honestly, I'd say he did. Yeah. All right. Got it. What about you? Um, my longest relationship was a year.

Gabby (Michigan)I'm currently single. I've been single for like 2 3 months maybe. Um, and then I had a relationship not too long ago.

Gabby (Michigan)So, Oh, sorry. Got it. Uh, the one year relationship, who broke up with who? Um, I broke up with her because we were having issues from

Brian Atlasprevious circumstances and things that happened. Okay. Uh, and actually, I think it might be worthwhile to go around the table on this. Uh, what's your orientation? Are you bisexual? By

Brian AtlasOkay. Have you uh your most recent relationship? It was with a guy. It was with a guy, but the longest was with a woman. Is that correct? Okay. Uh, Got

Joeyit. Okay. So, bisexual. I I think I Oh gosh, I don't know. I I would consider myself straight. I've only dated men, but I've definitely experimented with women. So,

Guidancenot dating specifically for a relationship, but Got it. What about you? Same. Straight experimentation, but straight. Okay. Uh by

Brian AtlasNo, I'm kidding. 99.9% of the time. Yeah. All right. What about you? Bye. Okay. Bye. Um, and then your relationship status. Uh, I'm single.

Wu (Cassie)Single. I've been single for two years and a half. My longest relationship was like three years and a half. It was like with my high school classmate and then I

Wu (Cassie)went to Germany as an exchange student. It was long distance relationship and I felt like I broke up with him. Got it. Yeah. Okay. And the three-year relationship you said it was in it was

Wu (Cassie)in high school. From high school. you knew him from high school, but it was when you were a bit older or uh it was like from the third year of high school and until the third year of my bachelor.

Wu (Cassie)So you were uh like 17, 18 when you met him and then you dated him until like 20 21. Uh I started dating him when I was like 17, but I knew him from maybe

Brian Atlasearlier when I was even 13 or 14. Okay, got it. And then you said is that your only relationship you've had? No, you had others. Yeah. How long were you in

Brian AtlasGermany for? Um, one year that time. Do you speak German? I do. Uh, can we get a little demonstration of some German? Oh, nice. There you go. Uh, did you did

Brian Atlasyou date in Germany at all? Yeah. Did you have a boyfriend? She He said that like with a German accent. Yah. Uh, no. It's good. It's good. Uh, you date uh how long were you dating the guy in

Wu (Cassie)Germany? Uh actually I went to Germany twice and I had different experiences like in like once in Cologne and once in uh Eastern

Wu (Cassie)Germany like but none of them was with German guys. So like it was other like Chinese international students or one time with a Chinese international

Brian Atlasstudent, one time with an Indian guy. Got it. Okay. Uh, did you date like maybe even go on a singular date with a

Wu (Cassie)like a German guy though? I think he was born in Brazil but he immigrated to Germany like when And have you besides Germany have you lived

Brian Atlasanywhere else for an extended period of time? Not really. So China, Germany for like the year you said it was a year. Uh like uh two years in total because I went twice. You went twice. Okay. And then you've been you've been in the US

Brian Atlasfor how long? Uh I came here last September last year. Okay. So you've been here for uh what? Nine month. Nine months. More or less. 10 months. Yeah.

Wu (Cassie)Yeah. Do you speak German or English? Better? English better. Yeah. And uh you speak three languages or do you speak more? Um I have learned more than eight

Brian Atlaslanguages, but I I'm only fluent in English, German, and Chinese. Got it. Okay. All right. Got it. Okay. So you're you've been single for two and a half

Wu (Cassie)years. Have you done any dating here in the United States? Not yet. Nothing. No. No. Any dating apps or anything like that? No. I actually don't know what to do. And also like

Wu (Cassie)like rationally, yeah. I think I shouldn't date here because I'm I need to go back to China next year. Like I don't see the like relationship going

Wu (Cassie)anywhere. I see. And I was heartbroken in my last relationship. And it took me I think more than two years to almost recover. So, got it. You said you've

Brian Atlasbeen single for two and a half years. Uh, was that uh what was the length of the relationship from 2 and a half years ago? It was actually less than one year, but it was less than one year. Devastating. Devastating. And that was

Felicityin ch that was in China. In China. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha. All right. Uh, cool. Felicity, what about you? I'm in a relationship. It's my longest

Andrew Wilsonrelationship going on two years. All right. Andrew Wilson, what about you? As possibly the only actual heterosexual here at the table. Been married. What

Brian Atlasthe [ __ ] The [ __ ] bro? How you going to throw me under the bus like that? Andrew, possibly the only heterosexual. It's possible. And as Andrew as the possibly

Brian Atlasthe only the only one who's never experimented with a member of the same sex. Um, hey. Yeah, I know. You guys I saw your stream with Jake earlier. You got a little You

Brian Atlasguys got a little cozy. I'm just, you know. Yeah. It's never too late. Up. Yeah. So, I'm happily married and have been for a long, long time. All right. Rock and roll. Rock and roll. And then,

Brian Atlasuh Oh, orientation. Straight. Straight. Okay. And then Felicity. Straight. Bye. Andrew. Gay. Are you a gay manager? Uh we have some

Brian Atlaschats here we got to get to and then we'll get I'm a lesbian. Andrew. Andrew is a a lesbian. He's He's actually a black lesbian. So if if it doesn't work

Brian Atlasout with your Do you have a type, by the way? Uh woman. No, like white girl. Do you like white women? Black prefer white women. You prefer is your current fiance. She's She's a Okay. Got it.

Brian AtlasYeah. Italian and Latina mixed. Okay, there you go. Spicy. Yeah, that's the bubble. All right. FYI. Uh oh, he bought something on our merch merch store. Pull up the Yeah. shop. Whatever.com. It doesn't tell us what it is, but I'm

Brian Atlasassuming given the price it was it. Oh, plus a donation there, too. Thank you, man. I think he bought he must have bought a hoodie. He probably bought a big lady uh matter hoodie. Thank you, man. Appreciate it. Uh there Well, we

Brian Atlashave a lot of bisexual women here. I'm just curious. Do you guys have a preference? Like, do you prefer innies or outies? Andrews. Do you want us to go in order to answer?

GuidanceYeah. If you're bisexual, do you have a preference for innies or out? I prefer my partner. So, and he has That's a great answer. Okay. That's a man. He doesn't have anything. Same. Cuz I'm sure mine's watching, but that's also an

Guidancehonest answer. But I I like my ladies thick. So, Oh, okay. You like I love that shirt. This Yeah, that you got on. That hoodie. Okay. You like your hoodie?

Brian AtlasYes. I have no preference. She doesn't care. All right. Thank you. Um Andrew, do you think this is appropriate to pull up?

Brian AtlasUm, I mean, pro I would still do it, but probably probably. Yes. Appropriate. No, it's probably not. Um, Chef Dill Pickles, here's what we're going to do. We got a uh it's probably I want to be

Brian Atlasrespectful to the panelists here. If you send in a $10, I'll treat it as a uh I'll treat it as like a TTS and we'll read it. You're going to have to send in something more appropriate. That's the

Brian Atlaschef Dill Pickles. Uh it's uh he's being slightly racist, so I can't pull it up. Can't pull it up, guys. And by the way,

Brian Atlaskeep the discipline good in the YouTube chat as well. Moderators, keep keep the discipline. Uh yeah, JJ Matt, I'm not pulling up your soup chat. Keep the discipline good, guys. We're not going

Brian Atlasto pull up uh like anything race related or anything like that. So, uh yeah, appreciate the respon. Uh really quick, Coastal Operator, it's below the threshold, but I want to respond to that. You if you've got the hookup for

Brian Atlasthe white Jazz cups, do you have the 16 ounces? cuz I need to get my hands on some cuz I I contacted the the uh what's it called? The supplier, not the supplier, the manufacturer directly.

Brian AtlasThey said, "Yeah, we stopped making them 2022s." So, Coastal Operator, can you just bump a DM on Instagram or where? Yeah, just bump a DM on Instagram at whatever and I would appreciate the

Brian Atlashookup. guys, if you want to get a message in $100 read, TTS is 200. And then you can also support us, Venmo, Cash App, whatever pod. And then let me see what else there is. Like the video

Brian Atlasif you're enjoying the stream so far. Thank you guys. Okay. Uh let's see, where do we begin? Andrew, I think, would be interested in uh exploring the whole pastor thing with

Brian Atlasyou. Um although it sounds like you're not strictly Christian. No, we're with your religion. So, just a spiritualist, right? Very spiritual. Yes. Yes. Okay. We incorporate many different religions

Guidanceinto our practice. Okay. So, when are you a universalist? No, I wouldn't really say that because there are some things that really don't align with um I would say my teachings

Guidanceor viewpoints, but we don't turn down any viewpoints. As long as their religion or spirituality is based in love and respect for the planet we live on and its people, we're pretty much

Brian Atlasalign. Okay. Whatever that is. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, let's see here. Where do we begin? We're going to start

Brian Atlaswith uh Shannon here with your notes. Shannon, you previously stated that you will not date

Brian Atlasuh somebody who makes less than seven figures. Has that changed at all? I said seven figures. Yeah. You said you only date six to seven figure or well six six

Brian Atlasor seven Okay, fair. Figure earning men and you'd love to discuss your experiences. Sorry. So, oh, were you laughing? Oh, okay. I think she sneezed.

SPEAKER_01Oh, it was a sneeze. Oh, okay. I thought it was like a It was a laugh. It might have been a laugh. All right, I'm going with laugh. We can talk about it. Um, go ahead. So,

Shannon Daveyyeah, we talked about that in our previous show that I was on that I did previously date men who made six or have

Shannon Daveysix to seven figures. However, my current relationship that I'm in, he it's a little complicated in regards to

Shannon Daveythat. However, I have negotiated for myself that sort of

Shannon Daveywant in a partner because he brings so much else to the table. Like what? Well, we have a lot in common.

Shannon DaveyWe have a lot in common. Like I mentioned, we're both Jewish, so we have religion in common. I mean, we're both not super religious, but we do have where we grew up celebrating the same holidays and having similar traditions

Shannon Daveyand stuff like that. Did you go to temple any of that? We used to go to more of like a reformed sort of temple, but we stopped going cuz it was outside

Shannon Daveyand it's just kind of gross to it like in a park. It was weird. Maybe we'll start going again if they like start doing services inside, but

Shannon Daveywhen it's too cold out or too hot, it's weird. Uh, we also are both into comedy, so he's uh into comedy writing and performance as well. And yeah, we just have very

Shannon Daveysimilar like wants for our future and stuff like that. So, so what's he making? Um, so he does a few different things as well for income. I don't know

Shannon Daveyhis exacts of what he's making. Um, but he has a lot of different investments. So, do you make more than he does? At the moment, I think I might

Shannon Daveyactually. It depends on the month and what we're doing, but some months I probably do make more, but he in the grand scheme of things has

Andrew Wilsonmore resources and things like that. Gotcha. Okay. So, you don't know how much your person you're dating makes?

Shannon DaveyWell, he doesn't have like a standard job. He's more like a gig economy type with his work. Like, he does video editing and he'll do stuff in the arts for film and stuff like that. Um,

Shannon Daveybut he also just started his own business with my help cuz I run my own businesses, a few of them. So, he's starting a photo booth company. So that's kind of new, but he did have some help from his family in starting that

Shannon Daveyup. So that's where it's a little complicated. What's the complication? Well, like his specific like income, it's like he's maybe not making money yet from the actual business, but he has like family

Shannon Daveyincome, resources, things like that. So he definitely will date outside of a six or seven figure bracket. I mean, it depends on the person. I normally before meeting him would have probably not been

Shannon Daveythat open to it just because of my previous experiences with men who've brought in that type of income and just being kind of comfortable with like

Shannon Daveyupper middle class life. Uh but like I was saying, he has so much that he like brings to the table and we really get along and yeah, he's opened me up to to

Shannon Daveydoing that. Is he older or younger? He's older. He's about 10 years older. Gotcha. Okay. But before him, my past two

Andrew Wilsonrelationships had uh more income coming in from like working and stuff like that. Gotcha. Now, did you do a lot of content creation, right? Yeah. So, did you meet this person cuz they were doing like

Andrew Wilsonclips for you or something like that? No, we met on Bumble. We Yeah, we went on a dating app. Oh, okay. That's right. Gotcha. All right. Well, I guess um I

Andrew Wilsondon't have the notes here. Hang on. That's Yeah. All right. Um sorry you happened to get up. I'm like I I just couldn't keep that going.

JoeyI don't know what you said that. Um has anybody tried the water? Yes. Did it taste weird? Yeah. I don't know. I took one. I don't really think I

Natalie StavolaDoes it taste weird? Like tap. Is it tap? It is tap. Yeah. Okay. Just like T. But should I be concerned? Do you want to

Brian Atlaslet us know why it would taste weird? No, it it's uh we just put in fresh water. Oh, okay. But it's running

Brian Atlasthrough like this filter and I think the like the it's probably not harmful, but like the the filter or something is like giving it a weird taste or something. I don't know. You think it

Gabby (Michigan)smells? I think it s it tastes fine but it smells weird. It tastes fine. Smell that. Yeah, it smells a little citrusy.

GuidanceCitrusy. We all smelling different things. Okay. What is going on? This is what did I sign up for? Like a fish tank. Did y'all fish?

Natalie StavolaDoes the water taste The water tastes water tastes like aquarium. It smells fishy. Does it taste like weird? No, but that's that's interesting. It does smell fishy. I don't even know how that's possible. How

Natalie Stavolais that possible? Can someone Google that? Okay, here's here's what I think it is. Chat, can you help any scientists in the

Brian Atlaschat help us out? So, I had this was like one or two months ago. We bought octopus from Costco. Okay.

Brian AtlasWell, hold on. Hold on. And I kept it in the refrigerator for one day and then we used it during the show and then we tossed it. I think this is my hypothesis

Brian Atlastheory. I don't know whatever. I think somehow and mind you the octopus was uh plastic wrapped you know like it's totally wrapped. Yeah. I think somehow

Brian Atlasthe octopus is so powerful, it seeped into seeped into the air of my refrigerator and somehow it's

Brian Atlasit's been it's not been in there. It was in there for one day and I've cleaned the refrigerator.

SPEAKER_01minuscule minuscule particles of octopus have somehow I don't know this might not make any sense but I

Andrew Wilsonthink we have no it's it sounds very scientific I'm enjoying this but for what other reason scientific would the it smell like seafood well there's a like just a

Andrew Wilsonpossibility that the filter is broken and whatever the chemical compound is smells somewhat close to Oh, the the that could actually explain it. Is that possible? That sounds a lot better than

Brian Atlasoctopus particles from Well, does when you open your refrigerator, do you get whips, right? No. No, I don't smell I don't smell it at all. That was just my

Brian Atlaslike really stupid low IQ hypothesis of okay, there was octopus in there like in a day, but it permeated somehow and there's just

Andrew Wilsonoctopus particles and then they're getting into I'm going with his the filter. Did you rinse the octopus? No. Chances are pretty good that there's just like a bad filter. The compound

Natalie Stavolasmell fishy. You think it's a bad filter? Oh, it did. Yeah, probably a bad filter. Does someone know if if that's possible to have a filter that can smell like fish? Can like I'm looking at see

Natalie Stavolawhat the chat says. Yeah, help please. This is about to turn into a crazy live. Tap water filter contains charcoal. Yes.

Brian AtlasOctopus particles. No. Clean your fridge. I cleaned it.

Brian AtlasUm, the girl from China knows something. What? It is. Yo, it is zero water. Evildoer. It is zero water. Uh, hold on. Give me one sec, guys. I can't be I I

Brian Atlasknow you guys want want us to talk about like dating and whatever, but I can't be having my guests drinking octopus water. I drink the entire thing. Brian, oh my god. Well, Andrew, you've no zero

SPEAKER_01warning whatsoever. I didn't know. I didn't know. Look, but also Andrew tastes fine though. Spark Andrew Andrew liked the octopus water chat because it's still better than well water. Well,

Brian Atlasthat's true. Yeah. Water. Wait, isn't water good? It's good for you, but it doesn't taste very good. No. Yeah. No. And I I ran all the glasses through the dishwasher with the the soap last night.

Brian AtlasDid you have an octopus in your dishwasher? Is that where it was? Uh the octopus in the dishwasher? Yeah. I'm just trying to figure it out. No, the dishwasher is brand new, too. All right. Like I It just a brand new one got put

Natalie Stavolain like two months ago. But how did we get to the octopus in the dishwasher? Like what's the Because I fig he said it was in the in the refrigerator and then it but it doesn't smell there. So I'm like well maybe he washed the octopus in the dishwasher. I was the sink. She's

SPEAKER_01going with the sink. You know what, Felicity? You should have just not said anything. Oh my god. You should have just you should have just allowed No, I'm sure someone would have people wash their octopus in the dishwasher. It's It's not too too bad of a smell, but

Brian Atlasit's it's there. Yeah. I'm sure it's fine. It's It's It's good. We've been drinking it. Andrew's been drinking it for the past three days, so apparently

Andrew WilsonOkay, he's fine. Well, good good detection there, Felicity. Um I have been drinking a lot of alcohol for 3 days, too. So, they could be canceling themselves out. All right, we'll get back to the show if uh Yeah. All right.

Brian AtlasYeah. Let's see. Let me check if there's any chats that came through. We have uh Dill Pickles, did you want to revise your message? Let me see if you did. Scroll up. Don't show these. Please.

Brian AtlasJust don't scroll up. I'll I'll pull them up. All right. We have Oh, we have some people who bought some merch. Uh Trevor, thank you, man. Appreciate it.

Brian AtlasThank you. Looks like you got a t-shirt. We have Brad who bought a hoodie. Looks like we have Dwight who also bought a hoodie. Thank you, Brad. #BLM. Guys,

Brian Atlasshop whatever.com. If you want to get this new merch we got big labia matter, mrnigmatic immediately get an octopus in the dishwasher t-shirt. Yeah, we need we're going to do some new merch.

Brian AtlasThank you for the t-shirt purchase there. All right, Dill Pickles, get your revised one in. Like I said, I can't pull it pull it up, but if you want a revised one, 10 just 10 bucks so I can see it. All right. Uh, oh my, there's a lot of chat to get through. Wash your

Brian Atlasoctopus. So, uh, your current boyfriend though, I don't know if you guys discussed this while I was investigating the octopus gate. Uh, how much does he, your current boyfriend, make? We were

Shannon Daveytalking about that a little bit. It's complicated because he's part of like the gig economy and he also has like some investments like his property and

Shannon Daveythings like that. Um, and he just started a new business and he's getting some help from family with starting that up. So, that's why I say it's a little complicated cuz he's got his hat and a

Brian Atlasfew different things. And you said that he got you a promise ring. I'm wearing it right now. Yes. Nice. Congress. So, what what is a

Shannon Daveypromise ring? And basically, we've been together for a year, and it's kind of like his commitment to obviously being loyal and to having a future together,

Shannon Daveybut it's not an engagement cuz we're just not really ready to be engaged. Uh, he knows that I have pretty like high standards when it comes to like the person I'm with and making a certain

Shannon Daveyamount of income. So, he wants to work for the next year to get me a better engagement ring. Okay. I think I haven't heard about

Brian Atlaspromise ring since high school. Um, yeah, it's oldfashioned for sure. Okay. All right. And then, uh, you wanted to these are your new notes. You'll be talking to your doctor about skin

Shannon Daveyremoval surgery. Yeah. Did you write is that that's the most recent ones you sent us? Okay. Okay. So last last time I was on the show, I was

Shannon Daveydown about 80 lbs and I've maintained that weight loss. So I've basically been losing weight for like two years. The first year I lost the 80 lbs and then

Shannon Daveythis past year I've maintained that loss. And so now I'm trying to basically do it again. And by the time that I do another like 75 to 80 lbs, I'm planning

Shannon Daveyto get skin removal surgery. So, I'm talking to my doctor about that right now. And that's kind of like what I document of my own content of kind of

Shannon Daveylike my glow up weight loss journey. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. And uh the journey. Yeah. We talked about that last time.

Brian AtlasIt's a journey. Mhm. And uh okay, we're going to move over to uh Nope. She was going to be here, but

SPEAKER_01she was 30 minutes late, so no notes for her. We have like the notes not see like the same as a soup Nazi. No notes for you. Yeah, exactly. Oh, wait. I have something that I want to talk

Shannon Daveyabout with the skin removal. Oh, if we go back to that real quick. Is it dating related? Yeah, it is. Okay. Um, so the reason that I'm thinking about it now is because I'm trying to talk to my doctor

Shannon Daveyabout getting it through my insurance. However, my boyfriend has given me the money to get a tummy tuck. Okay. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. And he said I can

Andrew Wilsontalk about it like we've we've discussed what I you know can share. Usually when you do a tummy tuck though, you do the all the weight loss first and then do the tummy tuck, right? Yeah. So, we're trying to plan out when that tummy tucks

Shannon Daveyis going to happen, but I already have the money to either do that or if insurance can cover that, then I want to get like my arms and potentially my thighs done. So, I have the money to do

Brian Atlasit. So, I feel pretty motivated. Amazing. Okay. Uh here, I'll do Chef Tail Pickles really quick. Uh the agent chef that taught me how to cook would always put the octopuses in the dish. Oh

Brian Atlasmy god. His standard culinary practice standard pressure. Don't be in ignorant Andrew. I love that that's a thing now. This is great. And then uh Oh, we have Don't put your octopus in the

Brian Atlasdishwasher, ladies. It's never going to work out. Wash your octopuses. Krypto Ho bought uh shop whatever.com bought a looks like a BLM hoodie. Thank you so much, man. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.

Brian AtlasCryptoo. All right, we're going to get to Gabriella. Gabriella there. It's Gabrielle. Oh, my bad. Okay, Gabriella. Let me fix that. You just call me Gabby.

Brian AtlasOkay. Um Oh, are those reading glasses or uh Yeah. Well, they're like prescription. I have to add them on. I can't see. Okay, that's fine. Um you said in your notes here, one time you

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