For The PERFECT Man, She WILL NOT Take His Last Name/Quit Her Job?! Jay Dyer! JB! | Dating Talk #242

Date: 2025-05-12

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSophia (OF LA)>

CCharlie Campbell >

KKelly Vargas >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Kelly Vargas(guest)

SPEAKER_04Charlie Campbell(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kyla Turner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Hyasin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sophia (OF LA)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jay Dyer(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jim Bob(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lexi (Baker)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentSophia: ex con-artist stole SSN, spent $20K+, faked stalking emails

Key MomentJay Dyer vs Kyla Turner erupts: 32 interruptions vs 7. Brian asks them to say one nice thing.

ControversyKelly refuses to take man's last name even for trillionaire. Extended double-standard debate.

Key MomentJay challenges Kyla to name philosophy books; she can't recall titles but discusses content of 5 Plato dialogues

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Hyasin, Kyla Turner, Lexi, Sophia, Charlie, Kelly, Jim Bob, Jay Dyer.

Sophia Con-Artist Ex

Ex sent fake stalking emails, stole SSN, spent $20K+, hacked socials.

Jay Dyer vs Kyla Turner Philosophy Debate

Extended debate spanning 2 episodes: feminism, patriarchy, relativism, Agrippa's Trilemma, Kant, Plato, Nietzsche. Chat counts Jay 32 interruptions vs Kyla 7.

Last Name Debate

Kelly refuses to take husband's name even for perfect trillionaire. Central double-standard flashpoint.

Body Count Round

Charlie: 13 (7M, 6W). Other guests decline.

Bear vs Man

Sophia and Hyasin choose bear citing SA experiences.

Transcript

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Brian Atlastransporting, so because there's long wait lines in the emergency room, don't you typically just drop them? No. But how long do you stay with the doctor to

Brian Atlasmake the determination that like you you stay the entire course of the patient being there at the hospital? Like don't

Brian Atlasisn't it you go in uh 62 year old male uh uh ventric ventricular defib uh boo you give them a bit of details the the

Charlie Campbellhospital takes I guess uh uh they they take the patient and then don't you go back to work yes by and large like yes that's how it happens but sometimes you know the doctor and you will have like a

Charlie Campbellsidebar conversation and you're kind of seeing where the doctor's coming from. I've seen doctors that say, "Oh, she's definitely being a hypocchondric." And I'm like, "I don't know if she is." The

Charlie Campbelldoctor is consulting the the emergency room doctor is consulting with a EMS. Okay, go ahead. I'm not saying consulting with, but sometimes we have sidebar conversations. We're like I'm

Charlie Campbelllike, "Hey, like you know, what do you think it is?" And we talk about it like, you know, cuz that it's not violating HIPPA. It's two people talking about a patient. And sometimes a doctor will say like whether they actually take it

Jim Bobseriously or not. And that's just kind of like the behind the scenes. Do you think there's a disparity between hypocchondric between men and women?

Jim BobThe the phenomenon like like what do you mean? Like is it more likely the case that women will think something's terribly wrong, freak out about it, and it turns out it's nothing versus a man

Charlie Campbellthinking something's terribly wrong and freaking out and nothing's nothing's wrong. To be honest, in my experience, I've seen it pretty evenly divided amongst sexes is that there's

Charlie Campbellhypochondriacs on both sides. But I've noticed that men that are hypochondriacs are still taken more seriously than women that genuinely are hypochondrics. So then how would you determine that it was because they were a man then or are

Charlie Campbellyou just pointing out something you witnessed but you're not sure something I mean I'm you're never going to be able to like pinpoint and say this is why because I'm not in someone's head so I don't know what they're thinking. Uh

Brian Atlasjust just to move things along a bit but uh so men are more privileged in society than women. Are there any other examples you can provide besides uh your uh

Brian Atlasalleging that men get taken more Yeah. alleging that men get taken more seriously in the healthcare setting. I mean, I could sit down and like if I did like more research, I could like bring

Charlie Campbellup Sure. Anything that just comes to mind. Obviously, I don't like we obviously cuz we have to move things along. I don't have that type of time right now. Well, you don't you don't have to go detailed, but give me like one or two things of like how men are

Charlie Campbellmore privileged in society. Um, I definitely think well it's it's slowly getting better now, but let's say crash test dummies. For a while they were just male dummies and that actually

Charlie Campbellmatters when it comes to like aren't I mean they're not humans though, aren't they? Just No, but like male torso like male like male torso and you can laugh, but that's actually like a real study is that the points of impact are completely

Brian Atlasdifferent when you hit something. What about how do they test someone who who is trans? Well, it depends. There's different stages. Kylo, what the [ __ ] No, no, but

Brian Atlasseriously though, I mean, I guess the the sexism of seat belts, I guess, but like it's not necessarily the How would a crash like materially be that different? Well, it's not that it's

Kyla Turnernecessarily like, oh, seat belts are sexist. That's not necessarily what I'm getting at. Anthropometry, right? Like men typically have a wider shoulder girdle in riding, for example, if you ride horses. Like, in general, male center of balance is significantly

Kyla Turnerhigher than women's. And so uh like when it comes to like a female test b dummy, one thing you want to like not a binary men and it's biodal but

Brian Atlascanotal earlier. I I don't know if this is compelling at all, but isn't it also the case that men are more likely to be involved in uh like catastrophic road accidents, but that doesn't mean that

Brian Atlasyou shouldn't be testing road safety for seat belts that not for exceptions though. Both sexes drive. Yes, both sexes drive. But like I often hear from feminists like, "Oh well, you know, the reason for why men pay more in car

Kyla Turnerinsurance is because they're more likely to get into accidents." So fatal fatal car accidents. Women actually get in more accidents on average. It's just awesome. It's awful. It's so terrible. Just um Okay. Um

Kyla TurnerI What would be the justification of not making sure that seat belts protect both types of typical anthropometries of the sexes? He's just not proof of male privilege. Yeah. Well, also who's to say that

Brian Atlasbecause the crash test dummy is male that this wouldn't like that that the people testing this and doing a study set out with the intention of solely

Brian Atlastesting it for for men. like uh they're like, "Okay, we're just going to do determination on impact and we're just gonna come to a conclusion that like using this test dummy, the damage that's

Kyla Turnercaused to the man is going to be like it's going to be pretty similar to the damage that would be caused to a woman." I would just say a the scientist is failing the generalizable principle and they probably shouldn't be doing that. And then the second question would be

Kyla Turnerwhy would they like default assume that the like male torso should be the one that's used, right? and in medical science probably what you're saying I don't even necessarily agree with the like privilege point but to the medical science thing there's just a really long history of typically testing and

Brian Atlasstudying male bodies and finding results that don't generalize well well I actually have a gripe with this I actually think it's evidence of female privilege that they don't find

Brian Atlasthemselves in the bottom rung of society that they need to allow their bodies to be medically experimented on so this idea yes because if you look at medical experimentation

Brian Atlasdrugs, uh, surgical procedures. These are overwhelmingly tested on men because men are, I guess, either they're more willing, uh, well, hold on. Most college athletes is the most common medical

Brian Atlastesting group and college athletes are disproportionately male. I'm not sure if that's even true, but I'll go ahead and grant it. I don't think it's evidence of male privilege that they're getting like uh, various medicines pumped into them

Brian Atlasthat could like that are they're being medically tested on. I think that that would point towards female privilege that they don't find themselves in positions in life where they need to be paid a couple hundred bucks to be pumped

Kyla Turnerfull of some like totally detrimental like experimental drug. I don't know how it's male privilege to know what your symptoms of a heart attack are but not know what like a female's symptoms of heart attack are. Aren't they fairly

Kyla Turnercomparable? They're not. This is actually a really big issue is that when women have a heart attack, they often feel like they're having like gut indigestion, which is why a lot of females will be found dead on the toilet from a heart attack. Whereas the common symptoms of like the pain rating down

Brian Atlasthe arm is significantly more common in males. Mhm. Yeah. Sure. I'll even grant that there's differences between this. But that still doesn't address the medical experimentation point where why is it that it's not experimentation, right? Like science is serving the

Charlie Campbellpopulation. figuring out how to help people with medical sciences for that medicine because you talk a lot about subjects that I don't think you're actually I'm pretty good at reading literature. She actually was when she was mentioning the gut thing and she was

Jay Dyerabsolutely I'm not asking if she's right about that point. I'm saying do you have any medical training? You you don't need training in any sort of area to diagnose people's diagnos you're talking about you're talking about heart attacks in

Kyla Turnermen and women. I'm not diagnosing you with a heart attack. I'm telling you about an empirical study that was done on heart attacks between What empirical study? I don't know the name of the study. Really? Did you read a study?

Jay DyerYep. Okay. On heart attacks between men and women. Uh yeah. The But you have no but I don't care. No, she's not going to help you. Help me because she's not I

Jay Dyermean EMT has some medical training, but are you are you trained in medicine? Uh uh in uh And so you have a study that you claim you've read. Are you disputing what I'm saying? Do you want to dispute? I just want to know where you get the

Jay DyerI'm not appealing to authority. I'm just citing a state. Wait a minute. No, actually, you think that proves your case? It would be an appeal to an authority. Does it prove your case? I I'm not medically trained, nor am I claiming to be. Do you think the appeal

Kyla Turnerproves your case? Uh, it seems like you think it is because you're asking me. Can you ever answer a question? I have answered so many questions, Jay, that it's it's actually this question, not the other ones. There's so many questions you still won't answer from

Kyla Turnerme. Okay. Okay. So, here we go. This is your favorite talking point. I know this is a child. This is talking to a 5-year-old child. Again, if a 5-year-old child means somebody who answers your questions and then at some point rebutt with a Socratic question in return, then

Jay DyerI guess that's not how rebuttals work. It's just questions. It's dodging a simple question. You can rebut with questions and I also answer your questions. You don't know the papers. You don't You just say that there's this paper that you read about heart attacks.

Kyla TurnerSo, are you telling me that I can tell you the titles of books? Am I incorrect? Am I incorrect? I just want to know your sources. the I don't know the name of the study off the top. How do we know that you're saying anything? Go ahead and Google it afterwards. Just Google

Kyla Turnerit. Yeah, go and look. You don't know. That's your answer is Google. I don't know the name of the study or who did it. Google the study. Yeah. I don't know if you know how Google works. It's pretty sophisticated. You could probably point out how comparison are. This is

Kyla Turnernot you just say things and there's nothing to back it up over and over and over. That means you're an empty suit. That's the point. So, are you saying that there is not a study that I just want to know from you? So, you disagree with the study. I want to know from you. Do you disagree with the study? I want

Jay Dyerto know from you. I've answered you. Do you understand that's not what the Socratic method is? Dumb debate trick to to avoid questions and everyone disagree with the study. I don't even know what you're talking about. Engage with the idea. I don't know what you're talking about. I just don't believe that there

Kyla Turneris a study. I can remind you what we're talking about. There's a difference in authors or titles or studies. You just say that these things exist. I don't spend a lot of time memorizing titles of studies. But that doesn't mean that I'm You're not actually competent

Kyla Turnerin these matters. You would know the sources. True. No doctor would like any source. I'm not actually a doctor because I can't site my sources. No sources. Just assertions. Just dispute the evidence. Am I wrong? Do you have evidence? No sources. Just assertions.

Kyla TurnerSo heart attacks are not different symptoms. I just want to know your sources. Females and females. What's the source? I don't know the name of the source and this isn't a dunk. So how do we know that there is one? Again, so if I can reference somebody trained in medical science, have you

Kyla Turnerheard about this phenomenon where there was underststudied? Okay. So apparently in medical science. So you cited a person who's not actually a doctor. Well, she's trained in medical science or is the bar now? Okay. So you're So

Jay Dyeryou're literally just finding a person in the room who's had some medical exposure. An EMT. That's not a doctor. I didn't say she was a doctor. That's not an academic. Is your line for kadul? You claim that there's papers and you can't

Kyla Turnergive a paper. So are you telling me that doctor say something you believe it? So, did you believe in Every time you ask me a question, it's because you can't answer your source. I've again answered multiple memorizing the title of a

SPEAKER_11study. You don't know any titles of anything. I don't need to. You don't need to titles of anything. You're a fraud. You just exposed that you're a fraud. I can engage with that. This is No, you have no sources. I feel really bad for you because knowledge of the

Kyla Turnersubject. You are going to think that this is some optical dunk and you look so silly. All of your citations are citations of titles to prove whether or not a study was review books. I did come prep for the medical symptomology of

Kyla Turnerheart attacks between men and women, but it's an established phenomenon that people know about. You can just look it up. Chat can do it for you. You think you just say [ __ ] and have no sources. I

SPEAKER_11know you're tired. I know it's pastor time. I'm calling you out for being a fake. This is just fellacious and you know this. This is not true. Where's the source? It's going to take a super chat coming up to be like, "Okay, Jay, shut the [ __ ] up. Name one. You've not named

Jay Dyerone all night. I've made Costello as a source for my source on incel. Do you question that one? No, my questions. Ladies, I don't care about your insult paper. Ladies and gentlemen, then you don't mind. So when I Okay, ladies and

Brian Atlasgentlemen, I got to move it on a little bit. I'm going to let some chats come through. Uh oh my god. Okay, time. I'm going to let it come through, but it's a little bro. Come on. Time donated.

SPEAKER_01Disavow. I'm going to disavow this. Everything to you is justified and for a reason. Get over yourself and put your tits away. Wow. Be better. That's [ __ ]

SPEAKER_01up. Thank you. Uh Tim $30 TTS streamlabs.com donated $30. Oh, it's Giovani. Watching the woman tried to discredit Jay because he couldn't distinguish two terms while he tries to

SPEAKER_01discredit her for not being able to name books. Two sides of the same facious gingerly coin. Ginger. As soon as I talk about donated $30, she just show Brian J

Brian Atlasand J. I'm glad you could get Jen Maxwell out of prison to have her on the show. Wait, who's he's calling me Gain Maxwell? Oh, I see. Okay. Uh here, let's finish up really quick, then we'll let the rest of

SPEAKER_13the chats come through. Um, anything else when it comes to privilege or just the I mean, I'm tired. I I just want to pass the torch to someone else. I'm [ __ ] tired. Is it a privilege? Terrible cop out. I'm not talking. Do

Charlie Campbellyou think women get tired faster than men? Like that explains the gender pay gap. Well, hold on. Like, wait, hold on. Like tired as in exhausted. Yeah, like bodily like they can't keep their energy

Brian Atlasup uh as long periods. I don't think so. I have a comment on that. If you women, you see how lively all of us are, you know, on

Brian Atlasthe male side here. You know, Jim, Bob, Jay, Jay's got a second wind here. You guys are making a really good case for why the pay gap exists. So I'd recommend we got maybe I don't know 20 minutes

Brian Atlasleft or something. I'd recommend for the final 20 minutes of the show you guys, you know, chip her up a little bit. That way it doesn't So you guys think it does exist? Huh? No. Oh, not not unjustified.

Kyla TurnerNot an unjustified slip. It does exist but it doesn't exist. Well, it exists and it supports my name on it. Which confirmation bi do we fall for? Kyla. Kyla. Kyla. Kyla. Kyla. Kyla. I

Jim Bobhave to ask you cuz you're not your typical orthodox leftist, right? You're the more reasonable kind. The right according to you. Do you still describing myself that way? Do you still

Jim Bobargue the the wage gap thing? Nope. Oh, okay. I just wondering. I It's just interesting that you do. Um, no. No. I think there's a disparity between pay between men and women, but there's a

Brian Atlasreason for it. That's $30 TTS. Roast roast the entire panel. Um, roast me. Uh, going to Kelly, you said to 16, "Women are oppressed in the United

Kelly VargasStates." You agree with this statement. Uh, how are women oppressed in the United States? Okay. So, I know it says the United States, but I do want to just um acknowledge if any woman in the world

Brian Atlasis oppressed, it's going to trickle down to trickle down is going to trickle down to us women in the United States. Um, wait, question for you. Do you know the uh the

Brian AtlasI think it's the North Sentinel Island? [Music] You know that island where it's like maybe like 100 to 300 inhabitants. They're like an uncontacted or mostly

Brian Atlasuncontacted tribe. Uh it's like a territory of India. It's this island where they're just they live on an island. No technology. If the men were just oppressing the [ __ ] out of the

Brian Atlaswomen on that island, how would that have any [ __ ] impact on us whatsoever? It's it's social at the end of the day. Like there they there's no

Kelly Vargascommunication out, no communication in to me. I that's a very specific example. I see where you're trying to go. Kind of annoying with No, you're good. You're good. But I just feel like at the end of the day, if there's a woman out there

Brian Atlasthat's being like graped and Oh, God. I said, but um yeah. Okay. Grape is bad. It's terrible. Um, but like oppression like there's there's levels a little

Kelly Vargaslike not quite as bad. If they're not being protected in by the law for just basic human rights in any country, it's it it doesn't make sense why the US Do

Brian Atlasmen have a duty to protect women? Yes. Do women have a duty to protect men? No. I want to ask I want to ask this question to the panel. So you guys would

Brian Atlasprobably You guys would probably acknowledge that men have duties to society. You might even say they have duties to women. What

Brian Atlasduties do women have to society or to men? I'll just go ahead and pre-play

SPEAKER_13this. Do women have any duties to society? Raising children. Yeah. Have a baby. These two W's in the chat. Babies.

Hyasinbabies like what duties do women have? I don't know. Homemaker. Okay. Sure. Children supposed to have a place to, you know, make your husband feel at home if he's going to be providing for you in

Kyla Turnerthat way. What duties do women have, Sophia? Do they have any duties? Abiding by the uh voting uh following the like civil is voting a duty? I would

Brian Atlassay as a person of of democracy, yeah, I would say voting is a duty. Civic duty. civic duty. Okay. All right. I'll move it on. Um, but so, okay, you you're saying uh women

Brian Atlasare oppressed in the USA. You were gonna say in other countries, uh, but can you explain to me in the USA? Because that is the question. I know. Yeah. Um, how

Kelly Vargasare women oppressed in the USA? I think we tend to forget that the US is composed of many different races. Um, and I come from a Latin background. I

Kelly Vargaswas born in the US. My parents are from Costa Rica, so I'm first generation. I see a lot of Latin women um especially in the US that go through a lot of uh it's in within the community. It's

Kelly Vargasbrought from our countries into the US and I acknowledge that it's a lot of oppression, a lot of uh abuse, marital abuse, relationship abuse, a lot of talking about like machismo. Yeah. Okay.

Brian AtlasUm is there anything How about this? uh like state down, government down, any oppression on that front for the government for women like are women oppressed under law in any sort of way

Kelly Vargasor abortion is illegal in certain states? Um which I think it's a human right? It's a human right to end a human life. How'd you get abortion debate here at

Brian Atlasthe end? Um but I'm curious though because we're saying women are oppressed in the USA. men can't get abortions. Uh

Jim Bobit's not clear to me if there's like a asymmetry in terms of uh anything there. Well, here's a asymmetry. Uh if a woman

Jim Boba woman has the right to terminate a child, but if she decides to keep it, the man has to pay for it. So, he has no say in whether she's going to have it or

SPEAKER_13not. But if she does have it, he has to he has to pay for it, right? Is that privilege? Who's who's privileged in that scenario? It's a good question. Jim Bob, how about the crickets? That is a Here, I'll play

Jim Bobthat shift for you. Go ahead. There you go. Say that one more time. Actually, if it's your human right to end the continued life of another human life that starts at conception, you get to do

Jim Bobthat, right? That's your right, which needs to be upheld and protect protected by men, right? You know, your rights are protected by men. So if you decide to

Jim Bobhave the child, a man who has no say in whether you have the child or not has to pay for the child, who's privileged in that

Kelly Vargasscenario? I see where you're coming from. I I don't think so. In these states, women don't even have the option what to have an abortion. So let's grant

Jim Bobyou you have the freedom to have your liberated termination of your own child. Okay. totally free. You get to do it. It's paid for even.

Jim BobOkay? You get to decide if you're going to do that or not. The man has no say in whether or not you can do that or not. But you have a say in the man paying for it if you decide to keep it. At the end

Kelly Vargasof the day, if you didn't use um a condom and you wanted to have a kid. Wait, wait. Just to be clear, just take your No, no, no. It's just like those are the consequences to having

Jim Bobunprotected. So the consequences for a man for wear not wearing a condom, right, is that he has to pay for your child, but there's no consequences for you having sex without a condom, having

Jim Boba child. That's a huge burden. Yeah. Are you do you think that people do you think that people should uh face the consequences of their actions in a society? Is that better? I've been

Kelly Vargassaying yes to that. Yes, but also you can abort your child. you I I'm pro-choice. I think at the end of the day, like take responsibility responsibility for your actions, but I don't think you should be telling like

Kelly Vargasif you don't want to have the child, don't have the the the child. If you do want to have the child, who's not having a choice? Who's the one one entity that's a human who's not who doesn't have a choice in that scenario? If you

Kelly Vargasbelieve so much in choice, I don't think um if I don't think that's a child. It's too When did your life start? I don't think when did your life begin? The first trimester as a child. I know you

Jim Bobthink that, but when did your life begin? I'm sure during the first trimester, but No. No. When exactly. There's actually a moment where your your unique DNA begins. There's a unique

Jim Bobmoment. Everybody at this table right now, there's no way we existed without this specific moment. What's an ectopic pregnancy? Shut up. You don't know, do you? Stop derailing. I'm talking to her.

Brian AtlasDon't save her. super relevant to abortion. What's an ectopic pregnancy? If you can though, just try to Sure. Ask him that. Just just cuz we can't linger too long. You'll notice a lot of men with a lot of opinions on this don't know many things about pregnancy. What

Jim Bobectopic? It's when it's planted in implanted in the wrong position. What do you do about that? I don't know. It depends on the scenario. Do you have to kill the baby or I'm not sure. You have

Jim Bobto. An ectopic pregnancy is always unviable. Okay. So, do you consider that an abortion or or what? I'm asking you cuz you said that this is a derailing. I'm asking the question is when does the

Kyla Turnerlife begin? Well, I'm asking you assuming when the life begins changing when you're so I'm assuming you would think that life begins when fertilization has happened. So my

Brian Atlasquestion would be with pregnancy Kyla. So if Jim Bob were to grant that like in that instance, yes, abortion is warranted, would you be okay with like all other abortions being

Brian Atlasbanned? I'm not pro like I'm not So, just really quick for the whole panel related sort of related to Jim Bob's question. Um, take a guy who has a one night stand with a woman and she

Brian Atlasgets pregnant and she opts to keep the child. Should he be on the hook for child support? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah.

HyasinYeah. She's not even listening. She's just looking at her nails. Um, no. No. That's a sticky question. Um, no. If he didn't want it, I'm I got

Brian Atlasdistracted. What was the question? Okay. Well, um, here I want to kind of change change the framing a little bit. Uh, are men who don't want to pay child support, are they dead beats?

Kyla TurnerNot necessarily. Really depends. Okay. I think men should have the same uh sexual reproductive rights that women do. So if you grant women the ability to like abort a fetus, you should probably

Brian Atlasgive men a financial abortion essentially, right? Legal paternal surrender or paper. Yeah. Like if Yeah, something like that. Um do you think though, how about this? Uh those of you who are pro-choice, if the woman's

Brian Atlasreason for wanting to get abortion is simply she's just not ready and she's not financially capable of having a child, justified for the abortion? Yes

Kyla Turneror no? Yes. But it depends on when uh when's your cut off prior to your cut off legally? Legally, I I think Canada

Kyla Turnerhas the best model which is like leaving it up to like I don't think that this should be criminal. Uh it should be doctor and woman. Um age of viability is probably somewhere like 15. Not justified. You shouldn't have had sex.

Brian AtlasOkay. What about you? Justified. Justified. Okay. Can you say the question one more time? Yeah. So, uh, the woman gets pregnant, she just she's

Brian Atlasnot ready, does want to have the kid, not financially ready, justified to get the abortion, yes or no? Yes. Yes. Okay. So, but then you put a man in that

Brian Atlassituation, he isn't financially ready to have the kid, he's not ready, whatever it is. Uh, should he be on the hook for child support in the event that he does get a woman pregnant and she decides to

Charlie Campbellkeep it? Uh should should he pay child support? No. No. Uh like she said, well, like

Brian Atlassurrendering like his legal like um just to be clear, in all 50 states, regardless of the circumstances as a man, if you have a child, you're on the hook for you can be on the hook for

Brian Atlaschild support. Well, you are on the hook for child support whether she seeks it or not. That's another conversation. I would still say he has to. Yeah, he has to. Okay. I'm going to say no after you put it that way. Okay.

Brian AtlasMy answer was Yeah. Yeah. What about you? Well, it's just interesting to me because you were saying, "Well, the consequences for the guy when Jim Bob was asking you about uh the child support situation." Well, you should

Brian Atlashave thought of that. This isn't this like couldn't you It's like a bronze age uh prolife position. You should have just kept your legs closed. No, you

Brian Atlasshould just taken the precautions. Closing your legs is the best. But couldn't you make that same argument towards women? Sorry. Say, couldn't you make that? Okay. You should have thought

Brian Atlasof the consequences before as a woman you got pregnant. It goes both ways. It's not just one way, right? But women can escape this by just getting an abortion, right? Men have no escape

Kelly Vargasroute. Well, I just I just agreed with a woman. I just agreed with you in your uh final question about if they c if they can't afford it and they don't they don't want the child then no they shouldn't be responsible for it. Okay.

Brian AtlasBut earlier you were saying well they should have thought of that before. I still think they should have been like taken the precautions. All right. I won't linger on that. And you shouldn't have taken the precautions. Both ways should have both. And what's the

Brian Atlasultimate precaution? Safe sex or not having sex? Yeah. Wait. That's why I stick to anal sex. What the [ __ ] That's crazy. Um, that's not sex. Is that Ryan Reynolds?

Brian AtlasApparently, apparently. Uh, just can you clarify though? It it was uh women are oppressed in the USA. Anything besides abortion?

Brian AtlasUm, we're pressed the time. So, we got we're good. Go ahead. Give us an example. Um,

Kelly VargasI feel um

Brian AtlasI'm sure there's so many more. I'm tired. You got it. Come on. Just give me one. Give me one. How are women oppressed in the United States? Like through the government. It has to

Brian Atlasbe not just social. No, not necessarily. But if you had one that did pertain to the government here, I'll give you an example. uh in certain jurisdictions, women can't be topless. I don't know if that's

Brian Atlasnecessarily well, okay, that relates more so to rights than I wouldn't categorize that as oppression, but it conceivably is a right that men have that women don't. Okay. I don't even think women want to be walking around

Kelly Vargaswith their titties out. So, um so I think with the whole like covering your shoulders and not wearing certain things during school hours, I think that's something that feels very degrading

Kelly Vargastowards little girls. Um, and that's like very much implemented in schools. If a girl is showing like shoulders, they get sent. Okay. Dress codes. Dress codes. Okay. I mean, technically, wouldn't I don't know actually how it

Brian Atlasworks. Like if a guy was wearing booty shorts, wouldn't he also be in like get in trouble with the dress code if he was wearing like booty shorts with his ass cheeks out? Well, like in high school when guys are told they can't wear

Kelly Vargascertain shirts, certain color bandanas. I mean, is that oppression? I don't know if it's oppression. I I think it's weird that people are already sexualizing a child and saying hide your shoulders.

Brian AtlasIt's like what? It's a child. Would I mean if if like a 12year-old wanted to show up to school wearing a a g-string and you said no, would that be use?

Kelly VargasG-string versus a tank top. I think that's a bit Well, I'm using an extreme to kind of paint the picture here. Of course, a g-string like that's just that's being naked almost. So, I don't

Brian Atlasthink that's the same as wearing a tank top. I think our tank top wait shoulder g-string g-string versus a tank top tank top sure but I don't even think tank

Brian Atlastops are women are banned from wearing tank tops yes they get sent home she wouldn't be able to wear this to middle school high school or anywhere really it's been a minute since uh it's

Brian Atlaslike yeah I heard about the spaghetti straps thing okay I mean is there anything actually important I I mean I think it's very important. Oh, they can't they can't wear You think

Kelly Vargasthat's oppression? I think that's sexualizing children, which is weird. Having a dress code is sexualizing. Why Why do they need to cover up their shoulders? It's just like what if it's really hot outside? What about school

Jim Bobuniforms in like a classical school? Yeah, sure. That's That's oppressive. No, that's not. What if the girl says, "You know what? This these uniforms I think." What do you mean? How is it not Well, answer your question. What's wrong

Jim Bobwith her shoulders being out? What? Her question. You guys didn't answer her. I'm just saying there there's codes. So, it's like you could argue it from a distraction point of view. It doesn't have to be sexual. What do you mean distracting? What's distracting about

Jim Bobshoulders? Uh skin is generally dist distracting. Showing skin is generally distracting. It's something else to look at for people. So, even for a child? Yeah, I would say that's true for a child even if they don't understand it.

Jim BobSkin is distracting. Yeah. So, like your your arm skin is Yeah. I would say the more especially women's shoulders depending on the culture women shoulders and neck neck reveal is is in the same

Jay Dyerlike guys can't typically go shirtless right guys have to abide by the dress code I can't go into my middle school class with my shirt off right it's not oppression it's just having standards and codes it's just something well I'm not arguing for the oppression thing I

Jay Dyerjust wanted you guys to engage with like what's the issue with shoulders because it seems like you guys agree with that standard so I'm trying to understand like why do you have an issue with oppressed and the example was because middle schools have dress codes that don't show skin. That's not a pressure.

Brian AtlasMore than that. It's so much more than that. It's just Sure. I just wanted to understand your guys' aversion to shoulders cuz it seemed like you guys agreed. Honestly, I don't even care if if a girl's wearing a like a tank top to I do away with those rules. I don't

Kyla Turnerthink I would really care, but uh I mean some of these are some of these rules are probably like extremely outdated, too. Yeah. It's like the reason like outdated for what? Like what are they what do you think the past was trying to

Brian Atlasregulate about the woman or Well, I think the past had much stricter stricter general rules when it came to dress. Yeah. Modesty, right? It's about sexuality. Well, yeah. It's about just

Jim Bobit's more than that. It's just it's modesty is not just sexuality. Um it's not just sexuality. Modesty is modesty is even how like look, if you were fully dressed

Jim Bobin a full thing, you would still not be a modest person. Sure. Yeah. You're talking about like humble heart, but when we're talking about dress code, we're not like worried about their humble heart. We're worried about their shoulders. Look, it's not just shoulders. Look, look at the difference.

Jim BobLike someone say you say, "Uh, okay, we'll allow a tank top, right?" And then they go, "Okay, what if I cut the loops off of the shoulders and now it's just like a tube top?" Yeah, there's Well, this isn't the argument that I'm making. I'm trying to You don't want to answer

Jim Bobthat question. Well, it's irrelevant to what we're talking about. The point is when you set a standard, even if it's ar you find it arbitrary about a tank top, what it's saying is that you I'm just trying to understand your reason to be averse to the tank top. That's all I'm

Jim Bobtrying to understand. What's immodest about shoulders? Showing more of your skin for a women is generally away from modesty. So should would your ideal dress code for schools? My kids go to a school where they they are fully

Brian Atlascovered. All the kids are fully covered to here. I think it's kind of trashy that like for both men and women to be or boys and girls to be showing up in like tank tops. I think uh there there's

Brian Atlasprobably some some uh leftover from like when people and this applies society when people dressed a bit more generally uh dressed up more formally. But for

Brian Atlasexample, even when I was in like elementary school, sagging was the big thing. And this is specifically tends to be like a boy thing. the sagging of the pants. Is this like sexualizing male

Brian Atlasboys because you don't want them to to sag their pants or is this just like kind of like don't show your underwear? Like is this sort of like just a formality of like present yourself in

Kyla Turnersuch a way that's becoming of I'm just trying to understand if you guys think that shoulder sharing is sexual or No, I don't think it's I me personally I don't know. No, no, no. It's more it's a

Jim Bobbigger argument about just standards, etiquette, presentation, formality. Uh like like for instance, who works from home? Do you work from you ever noticed like like even if you're working from

Jim Bobhome, have you ever tried to like dress up even though you're not leaving? Like get yourself impeccable even though you're home. Like you could actually just be in your sweatpants, right? But

Kyla Turneryou actually get impeccable to work. Have you ever done that? Uh I try to I try to mostly look good for my husband to some degree. So a certain standard like I don't I don't get ready. So you're asking Yeah. Do I like try to

Kyla Turnerdress up specifically for work to like put myself in the mentality for work? I'm assuming is what you're meaning to. I think that's a decent environmental stimulus. That's particularly like what I do. But with children, right, I guess what we're trying to get to is you guys

Kyla Turnerwere like, "Yeah, tank tops are bad." And we were I was just trying to understand why you're concerned about tank tops because she was using the line, "It's sexualizing children." And you guys were saying, "Well, no, it's not. It's about something else." It

Jim Bobsounds like it is about sexualizing children. It's not about sexualizing children. We just gave you a bunch of different ways of viewing that, but it has nothing to do with, by the way, what the topic is, which is whether or not

Brian Atlasthat's oppressive to have standards of dress code in any place. Really quick on that, Rachel Wilson says, "Spaghetti straps aren't about showing shoulders. Uh, it was about bra showing. They don't

Brian Atlaswant your young girls having their bras hang out in school. This is similar to like the the sagging thing, right? I think it's similar to the sagging. They don't want the underwear showing. That would include the bra. They don't want

Kelly Vargasboys like sagging their pants. It just looks stupid. What is so wrong about a bra? I'm confused. It's considered underwear. It's underwear. But it like sometimes it will it will come off. It

Kyla Turnerwill fall. There's nothing. Do you fix it? Is this bad though? What? You guys we all agreed that this would not be allowed in middle school. There's no bra showing. Yeah. No way. My personal taste there's no bra showing. I'm fine with

Lexi (Baker)it. But there's no there Yeah, there's no bra showing. Well, because the entire top exposed. So, I mean, it's still like this level of it's not necessarily the most modest thing. This is a dress code oppression. That's what I don't

Kelly Vargasunderstand. This is so I feel like that's um bringing down it's sexualizing women. And how is modesty sexualizing

Jay Dyerthem? It's opposite. It's the opposite. Well, explain yourself. To have a modest dress code is the opposite of

Kelly Vargassexualizing them. Oh. Um, I just think at the end of the day, like women should be able to dress a certain way. They're not women. These are children. Well, well, I'm talking about in general. This is going to go

Kelly Vargasoutside. So, if the children, it's not it's in the workforce. It's in the not just in schools. This is like multiple. You should be able to wear whatever you want at any job you're at. No, I think it should just be you should be able to not feel uncomfortable to show should

Kelly Vargasshoulders. Like I think that's just ridiculous. I think you're the way you dress doesn't identify what you're looking for, who you are. I think it's a form of self expression. I think it does. It's a form of self-expression to

Brian Atlasme. I'm an artist and that's a lot of the ways that we express ourselves is through Wait, weren't you Didn't you have this big gripe and grievance about how like the music industry sexualizes women? But here you are. Did you forget

Brian Atlasthat I said that if I wanted to post myself revealing it's free will I wanted to do that. Wait, so it's simultaneously this is Schroinger's fe feminism. You're simultaneously

Kelly Vargasuh oppressed but also this is like a liberation liberation liberation creative expression. For me the biggest point I was trying to make about the middle school or elementary school or high school was because they're

Brian Atlaschildren. They're minors. It just doesn't to me it makes it feels uncomfortable. That's why I brought it up as like it's a form of Okay, men shouldn't sag their pants or excuse me, boys shouldn't sag their pants. I mean,

Brian Atlasthere's dress codes that go both ways. I do have to move it on. Uh to Charlie, you say women do not have equal rights to men in the United States? Uh what rights do men have that women don't?

Brian AtlasHonestly, I'm tired. I'm just going to pass. Suck it up. Suck it up. Come on. Military here, bro. This is Hold on. This is why women should not be in the military then because

Brian Atlasjust suck it up. Suck it up. You never served a day in your life. Be quiet. You're absolutely right. But like come on, bro. You're going to be like deployed and we've been talking for for

SPEAKER_13uh 7 hours and I just can't. Yeah, this podcast is analogous to military service. It actually No, his point is that she should definitely not she can't handle this. How are you going to be handled? She's here as like a volunteer

Brian Atlasfor your show. It's fair enough for her to opt out. nervous. You should wear a cape to this. This is actually the final thing, by the way. This is like the final thing. I'm very spooky. What's the question again? What's this? Is the final thing from the

Brian Atlasquestionnaire, then I'm just pretty much done with it. We're going to We'll do the chats, then we're going to wrap. What's the question? You You agreed with the following statement. Women do not have equal rights to men in the USA. What rights do men have that women

Charlie Campbelldon't? I mean, we've already talked about it time and time again, but the first thing that came to mind when I circled it was abortion. But how would this be?

Brian AtlasHow would this relate to equal rights? Because men don't have any reproductive rights. So how do how would this be like a differential or inequality but in

Brian Atlasterms of a comparison between men and women? I misunderstood the question. Okay. So is it just abortion? There's nothing else. I'm sure there's more. Well, okay. What are the Because we already talked about abortion. What are

Brian Atlasthe other things that when it comes to rights that men have that women don't? And just move on. I just You didn't get drafted, did you, by chance? No. What?

Jim BobWhat? I think the draft isn't like that. Isn't like what? Like a instance that's geared toward men and not women. Yes. It's not like that. It's not I mean, no. I mean, I'm saying that I'm not in the

Charlie Campbelldraft. I know. Because you're a woman. Because I enlisted. I know. I know. But you can't But you can't be drafted, right? No. But men can, right? I can't be drafted because I'm already in the

Jim Bobmilitary. Do you know what a hypothetical? Ask a hypothetical question. Oh, hypothetical question. If you if you didn't enlist, you couldn't be drafted, right? Correct. Don't rescue

Jim Bobyour boyfriend. He can do this. Are you privileged as a woman to not having been entered into the draft if it mean I'm honestly against a draft? That's fine.

Charlie CampbellBut are how it is right now, would you say it's a privilege toward women to not be drafted? I think it should be I both or none truth. That's just my

Brian Atlasopinion is that if there is if there is a draft, I think it should apply. I need you to answer my question. What rights do men have that women don't? Besides the abortion conversation, I'm so tired. I don't want

Brian Atlasto answer the question. There isn't. But I'm willing to hear you out. Do you need a shot of you want an energy drink? Because this is literally the final thing I want to talk about and I'll get this wrapped up for me. Can you

Brian Atlasjust take it for me, please? No, you got equal rights. The the question he's asking. I just like I just don't want to do it. I'm tired. If she has a position on it, I'll hear it. But I just want to hear your position first.

Charlie CampbellI I don't know. I'm [ __ ] tired. Like, I'm telling you. Just do you want Brian? No means no. One more pump. No is a complete

Brian Atlassentence. No. Period. Not no. It just doesn't exist. Then there's no rights that you can point to. She She's trying to like me to me. Like a

Brian Atlasconversational She's accusing me of a conversational crepe. That's not true. I'm just saying Brian, I'm not feeling it right now in this moment. I mean, that's a real like easy cowardice way to

Brian Atlasjust be like you here. Do men get hangry? If you're willing to make a concession that you there actually there are no rights that men have that women don't. I'll happily move it on. But you have to

Brian Atlasmake that concession. Otherwise, I'd like the time we've spent having the meta conversation over I don't want to talk about this. You could have just thrown out like one or two things when

Brian Atlasit comes to rights. I mean, I just don't want to. You don't? What do you mean you don't? I'm confused. I can't think of one. As of right now, I'm tired and I don't want So, if I give you like 2

Brian Atlasminutes to recharge and like come back to you in 2 minutes and give you time to think about it, can we come back to it in 2 minutes? We can just move on. Or how I'm I'm giving you time to think

Brian Atlasabout it so you have a moment to gather your want to move on. Then just concede that there there is no right that men have that women don't. Sure. If that makes you feel better. Yeah. Is it is it your position now

Brian Atlasthough? If that makes you feel better than not. It's not whether it makes me feel better or not. I just said if it if it makes you feel happy then yes. It neither makes me feel unhappy or happy.

Brian AtlasJust do you want to provide one example? No. Just to be so if your goal if your goal is like let's get out of here sooner. I think it'd be easier for you to just answer the question

Brian Atlasor what are you doing? Give me give me just one. That's it. Just one. You're the feminism is just it's not working. No. And when did I ever call

Charlie Campbellmyself a feminist once in this entire thing? When did I say the word feminist? Are you against the patriarchy? Bro, I barely know what the [ __ ] that

Brian Atlasmeans. Like, come on, man. Uh my god, bro. Just move on. Uh are you against like males

Brian Atlaspredominating in leadership? Like like what do you mean? I guess like in government. Yes. Are you against males predominating in leadership positions in government? And if you got

Charlie Campbellelected, if you got elected, you got elected. Like if you got elect Sorry, if you if you get elected, you get elected. Oh my god. Okay. If you get elected, you get elected. Who cares? Uh give me one.

Charlie CampbellPlease give me one. One right that men. One so that you can pone me. Like so you can pone me. Like you just want that clickbait. Like you can pone me. I don't care. Tell you what, I'll even I'll even do this. I won't even debate you on it.

Brian AtlasI won't even debate you. I won't even try to pone you. I just want to hear it and then I promise I'll move on. What is a right that men have that women don't? I will not even argue with it even if I disagree.

Brian AtlasI mean, I don't even know off the top of my head, Brian. So, there's not one checkmate. All right. I don't know what to say. Like, I don't Okay. Uh, oh. Uh,

Brian Atlasokay. Final thing from the the questionnaire here, Kyle. I want to have a 30 secondond debate with you. You disagree. Your disagreement with the show is meat. What? Oh, I thought you were going to bring up the meat. Yeah,

Brian Atlasit's that. But what? Why? What's your disagreement there? Big Lady Matter. I must have just thought it'd be a funny whimsical moment between us. You're in your notes. Do I need to pull it up? What did you write? I I I think I half

Brian Atlaswrote it and then I got distracted by the Uber thing. Okay. Uh, meaty vaginas are gross is what you wrote. That is deeply offensive to me. I know. I'm very

Brian Atlasdeeply offended. I know. I want you to look into one of these cameras and apologize to all the women with Audi's, which is something like 50% of women. I want you to apologize for your

Kyla Turnerdisgusting and sexist and misogynistic remarks. It's been 7 and 1/2 hours and Brian has beating you down to believe that meaty lives matter, too. All right.

Brian Atlas# big leia matter. All right. All labia can't matter until big leia matter. All right. Thank you. All right, guys. Final call. $30 TTS. We're going to let these come through then we're going to get this wrapped up. Uh did you want to speak on anything? I know you had a lot

Lexi (Baker)of notes, but I don't know if we'll get to be able to do everything. It's okay. Um well, one thing I thought would be interesting or one of the prompts I had was that I think corn is one of the most

Lexi (Baker)like detrimental aspects of our society. And I felt I feel like that's kind of an interesting Okay. But I might be too late to get into all that. Yeah, cornb I think we can agree on that. Okay, I'll

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Kyla Turnernow? How much time have you spent reading poetics? Oh, this is for you. Uh me. Okay. What

Kyla Turnerwould I do if I was a man for 24 hours? Uh, probably like windmill. I'd probably draw a windmill. Do the helicopter.

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SPEAKER_01I'm still sick. You could have called you. Thank you, sir. I look forward to this show every week as do most of us in the chat. Big tubs, bro. Thank you, man.

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Hyasinknow if Did you see? I never claimed to be traditional, but I think about me. I do like scantily clad types of photos, but nothing that's exposing anything. Do

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SPEAKER_01Any duties or we are we actually talked about this. Yeah. Thank you, man. Reap what you so donated $30. Thank you. Reap five. Of course, they take men more seriously when they speak. Men are more

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SPEAKER_01regarding a good primer or overall systematic on EO? I will read and remember the title of it. I appreciate the EO's katakis for new members as an

Brian Atlasanchor. I would say just read uh Pomazk's orthodox dogmatics. All right. Thank you, doctrine. Oh, no. Ser Oh, this is below the

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SPEAKER_01chick, but she's right and doesn't need a source for common knowledge. Chill out, young blood. All right, OJ. Appreciate it. Thank you. I just watched a documentary on you. That was cool.

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SPEAKER_01$29.99. Ectopic pregnancy is not an abortion. Even if this is granted, this would be an exception to the generality of abortions. Completely bad faith. Green.

SPEAKER_01Wait, did I They're always making the rule from the exception, aren't they? Every time. Jason Castle donated $30. Hair6. The argument can be reversed. And

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SPEAKER_01for yourself, you're creating an expectation in your industry for other women as well. due to natural competition. I would disagree with that. She

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SPEAKER_01breastin to actually read and contrast her radical orthodoxy modern intellectual theology since the word orthodoxy needs to be defined in her view? Uh quick thing on this. I don't

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Jim Bobtime when Ectopic was brought up. Please never claim Sicily again. No, I I was uh I was confused that you would bring that up given that is an exception to the

Kyla Turnergeneral rule we were arguing. Wasn't using it as an evidence for anything. It's very interesting your guys' bring it up then. I was curious if you knew what it

Jim Bobwas and how you Do you know what 99 * 99 is? 9,81. So you derail by your own admission. Why aren't we talking about numbers? Very interesting. She just said she brings up irrelevant points. React

Kyla Turnerwhen people You literally just said you bring up irrelevant points. You just admitted to bad faith. You just admitted admitted that you bring up bad faith points. No, I genuinely asked if you knew what an ectopic

Jim Bobpregnancy to what the subject. Why? Why? We're in the middle of a discussion, right? And I was in the middle of making a point and you just admitted to derailing on purpose, right? Because I was curious. This is why you're not good at debating. This is why you're not good

Kyla Turnerat you're sick. You're never going to be a successful debater. It's really I'm telling you why and how. How does your husband tolerate you? If you guys are such good debates, it won't last long. If you guys notice the difference of reaction to these men when they're

Kyla Turnertalking to women that they feel like they can actually manage in a debate versus a debate, they have to do this. She literally just admitted that you changed. So when they've talked with every other woman because they don't act like you just engage in Yeah. Because

Jim Bobthey don't act like you. No, it's because you feel when you're debating people who are not the common denominator and you feel unconident when you're debating me. So this reasonably with every single one of these. You're

Kyla Turnerthe only loudmouth babbler. Oh [ __ ] Shut your mouth. I thought I was a debater. No, you're a babbler. But you said that you got to treat me different on this panel very initially. We give you back your energy. In

Kyla Turnerfact, Brian said that there was an exceptional admitted that youated your bad faith. So see again when these men are this podcast is evidence such a nonsense machine of

Jay Dyerfemale oppression, female oppression and women not having rights. I say again like I said yesterday, she is the best example of why feminism is a disaster.

Kyla TurnerSo keep debating and arguing a really good examp why older men have to bully women to try to get their way because you're increasingly less salient. Nobody bullied you. You made a fool of yourself. Your behavior this entire time

Kyla Turnerhas been nothing but the reality is that when you engage with people that you feel like you can dunk on by just granting their norms, you'll just talk to them and go act like an expert. However, when you engage as admittedly

Kyla Turnerby you can't tell you, you can't tell the basics that you can't debate against. You're not an expert in all of these fields. When you talk to an actual expert, they make you look granting me norms that you and I both agree on as a

Kyla Turnertax win of debate. I don't debate. You're definitionally being bad faith with me in all ways. By granting you by not granting you the debate. If you agree on a norm. Wait. If you agree on a

Kyla Turnernorm that you both adhere to, such as Don't grant me my position, that's bad faith. Nope. If you agree on a norm with me and you won't grant it to me for the purpose of a debate, you're being bad.

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