For The PERFECT Man, She WILL NOT Take His Last Name/Quit Her Job?! Jay Dyer! JB! | Dating Talk #242

Date: 2025-05-12

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSophia (OF LA)>

CCharlie Campbell >

KKelly Vargas >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Kelly Vargas(guest)

SPEAKER_04Charlie Campbell(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kyla Turner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Hyasin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sophia (OF LA)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jay Dyer(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jim Bob(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lexi (Baker)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentSophia: ex con-artist stole SSN, spent $20K+, faked stalking emails

Key MomentJay Dyer vs Kyla Turner erupts: 32 interruptions vs 7. Brian asks them to say one nice thing.

ControversyKelly refuses to take man's last name even for trillionaire. Extended double-standard debate.

Key MomentJay challenges Kyla to name philosophy books; she can't recall titles but discusses content of 5 Plato dialogues

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Hyasin, Kyla Turner, Lexi, Sophia, Charlie, Kelly, Jim Bob, Jay Dyer.

Sophia Con-Artist Ex

Ex sent fake stalking emails, stole SSN, spent $20K+, hacked socials.

Jay Dyer vs Kyla Turner Philosophy Debate

Extended debate spanning 2 episodes: feminism, patriarchy, relativism, Agrippa's Trilemma, Kant, Plato, Nietzsche. Chat counts Jay 32 interruptions vs Kyla 7.

Last Name Debate

Kelly refuses to take husband's name even for perfect trillionaire. Central double-standard flashpoint.

Body Count Round

Charlie: 13 (7M, 6W). Other guests decline.

Bear vs Man

Sophia and Hyasin choose bear citing SA experiences.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasdo seven cuz I can't pick. What? You can't pick seven. You're not going to pick 10. Oh, just give them one. It makes them really mad. Skyler,

Brian Atlasnot going to pick 10. Um, I'm going to pick one. Imagine if No, give it give us uh give us the real answer though.

Brian AtlasWhat do you Why would that not? Okay. So, just to be clear, so if you say one for example, like so if the scale is like one is like the most ugliest person ever and 10 is like be like super beautiful, prettiest woman you've ever

Brian Atlasseen, uh where do you put yourself on the scale?

Kelly VargasOne eternity later. Um, six. Okay. What about you? I don't know. Like an eight. I don't know. Okay.

Kyla TurnerWhat about you? Six with makeup. A six. Without a five. Good answer. With makeup, an eight. Without makeup, like a

Brian Atlasfive as well. A six. Okay. Jim Bob. 6.9. Average. Jay. Scale of 1 to 10 on looks.

Brian AtlasUm, 11. Jay, you got it. Come on, Jay. I'm just joking. Give us uh into the mic if you can. Just looks. Yes.

Brian Atlas[Music] Uh, eight. I give myself I give myself a

Brian Atlasuh a five. I give myself a five. Okay, that was cool. Hold on. Um, J uh Jim Bob, can you ask a question really quick? I need to just get up for a moment. What? I need to get up for a moment. Can you Oh, is it It's going to

Jim Bobcome up. Oh, just ask any question. Ask question. Well, I hate to bring it back to this, but you should probably um I wanted to go back to something about the

Jim BobGDP just briefly. Um Oh, you're killing us, Jim. If it's the case that the GDP of a nation is the product of a many

Jim Bobindividual households and their productivity. Yeah. each individual uh household and their product productivity like if they are seeing

Jim Bobthat as the value if the if it's all tragic okay if each individual urge their urge their drive to produce

Jim Bobis tragic but it actually produces a high GDP aren't you arguing for a tragic society of individuals uh nope okay so GDP is not really tied to like the productivity of a household old it's the

Kyla Turnerit's essentially all the goods that are finalized within a country. So it's not really about a household because for example um if you're like a mid if you're a factory worker you're not like contributing to the the calculated GDP

Kyla Turnerin like a super direct way. So it's not like a total onetoone. I understand your point though so I'll grant where you're kind of going with this. Um the it's so the answer was an ecological fallacy which I can just explain now. It's this

Kyla Turneridea where you take like a normative claim for a group and then you apply it to an individual. So the normative claim that like GDP is broadly good for a nation. That's my normative broad claim. And what you're doing is you're being like isn't that good for the individual?

Kyla TurnerYou're engaging in an ecological fallacy because at an individual level, right? What I'm talking about when I'm saying it's a tragedy is this like sad thing to me where genuinely most of the moral

Kyla Turnervalue that we put on men is the money that they produce. This happens a lot in dating and I think that that's something that's unfair to do to men particularly in an economy where every single person has to be working anyways and we don't attach the same level of moral value to

Kyla Turnerwomen uh based on the money that they're making. So I think it's a tragedy in that way. I don't think it's bad to like pursue commerce or try to make money or anything like that. That's not the tragedy. It's when I look at a man and I determine his value based on the size of

Jim Bobhis wallet. I think that's not a good thing. But that doesn't mean GDP is not good. Wait, so you think it's a tragedy to expect men to be providers? Is that

Kyla Turnerfollow? Nope. I think it's a tragedy to attach the only value of a man to the money that they think men bring more than money. Okay. Only. Okay. Yeah. I think men bring character. They're

Jim Bobpeople. They have personalities, right? They're interesting. Do you think it's a tragedy for a woman to look first for uh money? I think what it does Top of the list. I mean, yeah. I actually think it's I think it leads women to bad

Kyla Turnerrelationships a lot and dissatisfied relationships, but it's a very much like again it's kind of gender opportunism where they're like, "Man, I really hate traditionalism except for when it benefits me." Um, so I I generally would

Kyla Turneradvise women to like value that less. You should look for more like upward mobility. Like if you if money is about how hard you work, you should look for how hard you work and upward mobility,

Brian Atlasnot your set income. I love that for you. Thanks. I love that. I don't know. All right. I don't know why you're flirting with me. Oh my goodness, Brian. Uh I'm not sure if that's what what just happened there, but uh I'll accept it.

Brian AtlasThank you. Appreciate it. Uh okay, so we did this. Uh finishing up on this though, we have a follow-up question. What do you uh No, actually, do you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time? Better looking in 10 years

Brian Atlastime. So, yeah. You're 28. Will you be better looking at 38? No. Okay. And then you're 28 now. Do you think you're better? You're better looking now or were you better looking at 18? I'm better looking now. Better looking now. Okay. Kyla, you're 31. Better Do you

Kyla Turnerthink you'll be better looking in 10 years time at 41? No. Okay. And then were you better looking at 21 versus now at 31? Uh, I had my glow up at like 23. So, yeah. So, better looking at 21. Okay. You're 21. No, no, no. Better

Brian Atlaslooking at 31. Oh, better looking now. Okay. You're 21. Better looking in 10 years time at 31. No. Okay. You're 24. Better looking in 10 years time at 34. Not without surgery. Not without

Brian Atlassurgery. Okay. Not with lots of stuff. You're 25, better looking in 10 years time. At 35? Yes. Uh 20 years time, 45. Oh. Oh [ __ ] It's still me. Um Wait,

Charlie Campbellwhat? Yeah. I I thought you like Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. The both. Yes. Yes. Okay. Uh 30 years time, 55,

Brian Atlaswill you be better looking? Yes. Uh 40 years time, 65? Yes.

Brian Atlas50 years time 75. Yes. I love you. Uh 60 My math is uh 60 years time 85.

Brian AtlasYes. Are these like genuine answers or you just kind of trolling? Uh these are genuine answers. Okay. So just Okay. Uh I'll just max it out then. Will you be

Brian Atlasbetter looking at 105 versus now at 25? Probably not. Okay. So where's your peak then? 85. Your your peak is 85. Okay. Got it.

Brian AtlasNo, I'm not trolling. I just You You just to be clear, you genuinely think that you'll be better looking in 60 years time at 85. I'm just built different.

Charlie CampbellAre you saying you're transgender? No, I'm literally saying I'm built different. Like I'm just made out of a different material. Are you saying you're trans? No. What? I

Brian Atlassaid a different material. Okay. So, you're not trans then? No.

Brian AtlasOkay. I Okay. You said you were built different. Um, you're clearly trolling though. I

Charlie Campbellmean, come on. 85. That's your going to be your Okay, maybe like 45. Okay, whatever. Um, well, what am I supposed to say? I don't know. Like, I don't know. I'll keep working. I'll keep working

Charlie Campbellout. I mean, I work out. I eat healthy. I I assume I'll keep looking better. I mean, looks fade, but I don't know. Okay. Uh, you're 28. Will you be better

Kelly Vargaslooking in 10 years time at 38? I I'm going to say yes, cuz I'm probably going to get a lot of surgery and work out a lot more than I am right now. Okay. And will you be better looking

Kelly Vargasuh 48, 20 years time? It depends on the upkeep. If I'm up, if I'm, you know, following through, eating healthy, working out. Let's assume the upkeep is good. I guess absent plastic

Kelly Vargassurgery, will you be better looking at 48 versus 28? I think there's definitely going to be a different like I would rather be 28 than 48 even with plastic surgery. So, I guess a no. But I would

Brian Atlassay yes for 10 years plus. So, 38? Yes. 48? No. Okay. And then are you better looking now at 28 than you were at 18? Yes. Okay. Jim Bob, you're 44. Better looking in 10 years time at Yeah, I'm going to be super ripped.

Brian AtlasMary, can you start pulling up the Discord? Have you been doing it? I was just about that. Okay. It's the Discord, the research tab. Start pulling up the age advance and the gender swaps. I'm going to be ripped in 10 years. Okay. Actually, you typically don't ask this

Brian Atlasquestion of the men because they don't give like arler answers, but um Jay Dyer, would you think you'll be better looking in 10 years time, 20 years time? ponytail. Um, we age pretty well, so I would say I'll probably look above the

Brian AtlasThere you go. All right. Okay. Uh, do you have those pulled up? So, what we've Let's see about that. Uh, JJ, thank you for the soup chat. Appreciate. I'll do a couple quick shouts. Uh, guys, Venmo

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Brian Atlasshop. If you want to get yourself some merch. Also, big labia matter. Um, that's important, I guess. Uh, okay. I'm just waiting on the age advancements. before I actually just wait until uh the

Charlie CampbellYeah, I'll wait a little bit until she's we have everybody back at the table. Well, is big labia like an actual thing? Like what do like I have no like I don't know like what is it? Educate me while

Brian Atlasyou know sure. Uh so I guess there's innies and there's midis. There's all kinds of variation in between. And uh this is like an old school feminist talking point, although I don't really

Brian Atlashear it that much anymore with the uh increase in like pro pro-surgery feminism, which is kind of interesting. But uh yeah, essentially there's this talking point uh that depictions in like

Brian Atlaspornographic material, it would always have these like perfect perfectly manicured vaginas basically, which is just not how I think it's like 50% of women have Audi's so to speak. And I don't think people should be shamed for

Brian Atlastheir genitalia and um whether you're a man or a woman, but specifically when it comes to women on this topic, like they're shamed, you know, you'll hear terms like beef curtains, wizard sleeve,

Brian AtlasArby's, meat, meat used quite a bit. So, uh I'm against it. And uh yeah, I guess when you phrase it like that, big labas matter. Big labas do matter. So, it's uh

Brian Atlasyeah, uh big lab uh you know what the thing is though, all labias can't matter until big labas matter. Excuse me. So, there was that. Um, okay. Uh, we're still waiting for her to come back, so I'll just get into some notes. We have

Brian Atlassome notes from you, Charlie. Uh, you said you were one time you were on a date with a guy who was an influencer. He took you out on a date and he was live streaming your date twice or date. Oh, so you went on two dates with him.

Charlie CampbellSo, he he asked me out on a date and I said, "Yeah, sure." Um, this was like when me and my fiance, we weren't like together cuz we we didn't make we didn't want to make LDR work yet at this point.

Charlie CampbellBut long story short is he hits me up and he's like, "Hey, let's go on a date." So, I was like, "Yeah, sure." So, he sets up a day, sets up the time, sets up when he's going to pick me up. It's all great. And he's So, background, he's

Charlie Campbelllike a super big influencer. Um he picks me up. We go to the location and while he's driving he's like saying like doing Twitch stuff like the stuff

Charlie Campbelllike Twitch people do like I don't know Twitch like give me like 20 bucks or something and I'll say this to her or something like that. And so it's just like obviously not real or whatever and

Charlie Campbellhe's uh we're together at the table and we start talking and now it's becoming like an actual date but it's still being live stream but it's a genuine date it feels like. And then I just asked him, I

Charlie Campbellsaid, "Do you ever do things for fun?" That's what I said to him. Like, "Do you ever genuinely do things not for the views, not for the subs, not for the money, and but do you just do things for fun to be present in the moment and not

Charlie Campbellfeel like you have to put up a front this like front for people?" And he didn't give me a really good answer. It was like, I don't remember the answer. It was like a wishy-washy answer. And so, I got up, I paid for my drink and my

Charlie Campbellmeal, and I left. How did you uh garnish a date with the big influencer? How did that all unfold? To be honest, I didn't know he was an influencer until he followed me and I followed him back and

Charlie CampbellI saw that he had actually a really big following. Why did he follow you? Because we met on a Well, we we started chatting on a dating app. Oh, it was it was an app. Yeah. No, like we met on an app. It was just his first name. It was

Charlie Campbelljust personal pictures of him. I didn't really I started low-key recognizing him from like the old like Vine era and then um who else? I can't I'm

Brian Atlasnot going to say I don't do that. I don't tell. Um so but he he you asked if he does anything for fun. No answer and then you walked out after paying for

Brian Atlasyour drink. Um I'm curious though, is there anything wrong with not doing anything for fun? Like maybe you're just working so hard that one day you can so

Charlie Campbellone day you can support a family. No, not even like honestly necess if like my real answer is like no there's nothing wrong. Some people just like for me for example I'm an EMT. Like I'm going to be

Charlie Campbellreal with you. We don't get paid [ __ ] I I do auditions when I have time and I I try to, you know, write my own scripts and produce them, but like at the end of the day I end up having to pull five to six day work weeks just to survive, just

Charlie Campbellhave a roof over my head. So, I sympathize with people that they can't do anything fun because it's either too expensive or just they have to work so much to make ends meet. I get that. But

Charlie Campbellwhen you're somebody like him who I I get it, influencing like his job, but can you maybe put the phone down for just an hour and just be present for once and just show me your authentic self?

Brian AtlasOkay. Yeah. Uh yeah, I was just thinking like I don't have anything against fun or anything but maybe some men just operate from a paradigm of self-sacrifice and part of that self-sacrifice is he was

Charlie Campbellnot a traditional man like it like like to just he was definitely very modern as as like very modern in the sense that you guys have described. Okay. Uh here we're going to do the so here's what we're going to do. We have

Brian Atlasput every single person here on the panel through an AI and we've we've aged advanced all of you. Some of you said you're going to be better looking in 10, 20, 30 years time, etc., etc. So, we've

Brian Atlasput you through the through AI and we're going to see if it's true. Go ahead, pull it up. Oh my goodness. Oh god, you're so cute. Try these cookies. Yeah,

Hyasinthat's going to be the grandma I'm going to be. All right. Wow. Okay. Nice. Look at this photo. Yeah, that's always the same old lady though, creeping in on the last image every time. Where did these I

Brian Atlasthink you're pretty cute. They're pretty cute. Uh, okay. Uh, let's go next. There's no way that's just 10 years. Uh, that is not just a 10 years. That

Kyla Turnercould be. I mean, if you drink and smoke heavily, then maybe that's true. After my severe crack addiction in the next 10 years, that will be. It could. It might happen. Severe. All right. Next.

Brian AtlasOh, that's hard to look at. I don't want to look at. So, how do you feel about that? Disgusted. Disgusted. Okay. All right. You ready? All right.

HyasinA That's not bad. I look cute. [Laughter] Hair is luscious. Yeah. Took some milk. Oh, Jesus. Okay, there we go. All right.

Brian AtlasNext. I look [ __ ] cool. I don't do what anybody says. I look real.

Brian AtlasOkay. All right. Uh, let's do Oh. Oh, Lord. What do you think? Yeah, she looks cute. No surgery. Into the mic if you can,

SPEAKER_13please. No surgery done. No surgery done. Next. Always the same lady though every time. Jim Bob. Yeah, this is a

Brian Atlaschromogen. Get off my Get off my couch. Yeah. Angry. All right. Next. I think was was that your wife that just laughed at that? I think she is laughing

Brian Atlasat I think she just chuckled a little bit. Future. Is that the pink down your forehead? That's with like cigarettes and There you go. All right. Uh,

Brian Atlasnext. Okay. All right. Felicity back there. Uh, next. What the [ __ ] is it? That's just like a head shot. Make it

Brian Atlassmaller. Oh, wait. I know where. Okay, so this is actually This is like from 10 plus years ago. I was in Amsterdam doing a promo

Brian Atlasfor uh Bad Grandpa, the Jackass presents Bad Grandpa with Johnny Knoxville and they put like they they turn turned me into an old man. Oh, that's actually prosthetic and makeup. That's it. Real

Brian Atlasdeal. It wasn't they didn't put like those the you know it was like a 30inut makeup job so it's not like the crazy like fullon prosthetics but yeah they they did that. middle they're next or is that it? Middle one look kind of looks

Brian Atlaslike an arrest photo like Kevin Spy did something terrible. You know that's actually the age one though. That that middle one pretty you know I Yeah, that that's crazy. That's young. That's a

Brian Atlas10year-old photo though. 10 plus year old. Damn. [ __ ] Back when you were youthful when I was actually not a tub of art. Um all right next. How's it? Do

SPEAKER_13Do we have the gender swaps? All right. Keep an eye on those. Brian, were you popular in high school? Like when you were younger? Like what was your um

SPEAKER_13archetype? My high school. Yeah. What were you? I was a sigma. Were you you were an athlete? Straight up a loner. Were you a nerd or like were you an

Brian Atlasathlete? Was a no. Uh sigma male grindset. Yo. What was my arc type? Uh [ __ ] I mean uh I wasn't like a jock. Yeah, I was like I

Brian Atlasthink I was like a normal You're just the normie. I was like a normal kid. Maybe like a little just doing my own thing though. Okay. I didn't have like a giant fan group. I guess I kind of was a

Brian Atlassigma actually but I was just doing my own thing. Uh I was over high school though by junior year. What about you Jay? Were you a skater boy? He was a No, I was the wittiest. I was popular. He

Brian Atlaswas popular. Yeah. He was a a legend in high school. I actually when I was in high school, I heard about him. Did you actually? No.

Brian AtlasThat's how much of a legend Jay Where did you go to high school? Tennessee. Okay. We heard about you. I heard about him in You heard about him and he was a big deal. His reputation received through the biggest raers. Yeah. Uh

Brian Atlasanyways, we're we're still waiting on the gender swaps. Did those come through? Yeah. Okay. You you got all them or you still need to Okay, perfect. So guys, for this next segment, we've

Brian Atlasswapped your gender. All of y'all are men. Well, you guys are women now. You guys have changed to women. Really? And the question is, would you date the male version of

Brian Atlasyou? Oh, no. Or do you find them attractive or whatever? Go ahead. Am I still It's like one of the beees. I know. Whoa.

HyasinUm, if you still have Were they the falsetto guys? Yeah. Yeah. I started a joke. Would you date the male version of you?

Jim BobHe looks nice. Looks a little too nice though. You know what I mean? Be nice. Yeah. Like he's like, "Hey girl, read my feminist essay. Do you want to study gender studies

Brian Atlastogether?" What's that thing from Zoolander? The Blue Steel. Is that what you're doing there? Oh, am I? You're kind of doing blue steel here. Do it to the camera right now. The blue steel.

Brian AtlasHow do you do it? Yeah. There it is. All right. Uh, so would you No. Is that a no or yes? He seems like he'd be a good friend. Yeah. Friends.

Brian AtlasHe's a brave and decent man. He's a pioneer. All right. Uh, next. Whoa. That looks a That looks like my

Kyla Turnerbrother. Um, I generally don't date white men actually, so not super my preference. You generally before your husband, did

Kyla Turneryou My husband's not white, but you dated I dated one like uh like you like Asian guys or Yeah, just usually not white. Also, that looks like my brother. That's your brother? That would make me

Kyla Turnerreally uncomfortable just dating. So, I wouldn't date him if you were single. And I mean, he's cute. He's a good-look guy. The stuff looks great. Um, I just see my wonderful raging gay brother. So,

Brian Atlasit just feels a little weird. Next. Wait, did we skip one? I think we skipped one. You might have here. I

Brian Atlasdon't know, but ew. Ew. Did you say ew? What a dork you are. Okay. Fix it. You wouldn't do it. Can I see it again? What if he What if he Wait, question for

Brian Atlasyou. I mean, no, but I want to see it again. question though. He is the roughest ever. Like he'll sign me up, but he's just so

Sophia (OF LA)weak he can't leave a bruise. Damn. But he's trying. Okay, then he's not the roughest. I don't know. He's the roughest. Uh, do

Brian Atlasyou have it? The gang of Okay. Wow. What the Would you date the male version of you? No. So bad. You wouldn't You wouldn't do it. Oh, I wouldn't do it. That looks If

Lexi (Baker)you had to pick between one of them, he looks like he's on something on the side. He kind of looks like full on crackhead. He looks like a titan from Attack on Titan. Dude, that's so bad. Looks like he just glides up to you.

Sophia (OF LA)You're like, "How did you get here so quickly on wheelies? Sneaks up on you." All right, next. Oh, we did. Leave it here for a

Sophia (OF LA)sec. He looks like the guy from IC Carly. Who's the guy in a car? Why' you look at me? I have no idea. I wonder He looks like Freddy. I wonder if what we

Brian Atlashave to do for these cuz it it keeps the same jaw structure typically is we have to masculineize the face a little bit on these. So, it's kind of a jaw. So, it's

Brian Atlasa little more fair because if you just take a woman's Mhm. like facial structure and you just I don't know. I need maybe it needs more masculiz whatever that word is. Okay.

SPEAKER_13Next. Wow. You know, I just lost some of your head. Your whole skull's gone. Um, would you date the male version of you? He's really smart, though. Don't worry.

Charlie CampbellProbably. I don't know. But he looks like he'd be like my Door Dasher. Yeah. Damn. Wow. That was kind of racist. No, that's not racist. I'm saying he looks like he'd be Does he

Kelly Vargaslook a little Mexican? Is that Are you trying to say that? I am Mexican. I know. So, he does look like a door dash. But your implication seems a little I don't even know what to say to that. But why did you immediately go to Mexican? Huh? Why

Charlie Campbelldid you Why did you Why did you go to Mexico? Why did you go to Mexis? Am I all Mexicans working door? Why would you assume it's a Door Dasher who's Mexican?

Brian AtlasI just said Door Dasher. You added the Mexican. I mean, honestly, yeah, I did just say Door Dasher. So, explain your psyche. Yeah, I would love to know. Well, it just seems kind

Jim Bobof like you see a brown person and you just I am a brown person. I know. I know. But you That's crazy. He's on the defensive. No, he's asking why you generalized a Mexican. That was probably

Kyla TurnerShe said Door Dasher. She didn't say that. What? Do you think most Door Dashers are Mexican? Is there any an accidental racism? No, just most of them in LA have a beard and have like slick

Charlie Campbellback hair. Doesn't necessarily mean it's cuz they're Mexican. And if it did, I am Mexican. I'm half Mexican. So, it's like, okay, all right. So, you guessed you guessed right, but like you guessed

Brian Atlasright that I was Mexican. So, it does look like a Door Dasher. Uh, yeah. Looks like somebody I'd see like door dashing. But he seems like a nice guy. He does seem like a really nice guy. Too nice.

Brian AtlasVery nice. Don't know if I All right, next. Oh, wait. We missed Honestly, he looks really good. I I don't trust that woman though. That's a

SPEAKER_13succubus. That's like red lipstick. Don't worry. That's crazy about it. She looks really That is wild. Honestly, she Yeah, I think that was probably the best word. Janina, very handsome woman there.

Brian AtlasGet ready for Janina. Jamaima. Oh, they didn't send it. Okay, maybe we're waiting. We're waiting. We need the We definitely need the gender swap. For the time being,

Brian Atlasthough, let's do the rest. Give us Oops. Oh [ __ ] Here we go. Wait. F11 in it. I look like my dad a little bit. That looks like the most believable, though. You look like You kind of look like Jim

Brian Atlasfrom American Pie a little bit. I don't know who that is. Just a teeny bit. I don't know. Uh, all right. Would you date him? No. No. He looks Italian. Uh, Latino.

Kelly VargasWhat if he was like, "Oh my god, your singing career is so important." I'd be like, "Thank you. That's so sweet of you. That's so sweet of you." said that [ __ ] No, thank you.

Brian AtlasNo, I said that was so sweet of you. What if he was an old school traditional guy and he he looked as like that and he was like really he wanted to

Jim Bobmarry you and have kids, but he was like, "Oh my god, I'm so happy for your singing career." And he said it just like that, too. What if he's like, "Your voice is the world.

Brian AtlasYour voice is my world. Would you then marry him? What? What? So tough. Wait, can you um here think of a male

Brian Atlascelebrity that you're like, "That's my level." What do you mean that's my level? Yeah. You know, like Jake Gyllenhaal or celebrity celebrity like

Kelly VargasLeonardo DiCaprio. He's Italian. So, can you make say it again the question like celebrity crush or something I would want that that you feel would be like a the same caliber as me or league same

Brian Atlasleague celebrity like looks wise it doesn't have to

Kelly Vargasuh I don't I'm horrible with names Vin Diesel that's Vin Diesel Bill Cosby I'm goodby Wait is this hypothetical

Jim Bobshe's She's already She's already made it. She's already doing it. And then I think it was a question for me, not for you, too. She's famous. No, no, it's just right now. Right now. Well, you need a little more guidance in answering

Kelly Vargasquestions typically. Thank you. Yeah, we're helping you out here. A lot of help. Um, again, I off the top of my head, I

Kelly Vargasdon't know. Sorry. Go ahead. I answered it. Oh, off the top of your head. I I don't I I'm horrible with the names. So, maybe I can think of some Brad Pitt when he was

Brian Atlasyoung. Gr. I think he still looks good now. No, he's still good-looking guy. Oh, she would if she got Brad Pitt now. Count your blessings. Very Italian looking

Kelly Vargasthough. Um I pull up a picture. Little girly. Danny DeVito. Italian. Danny. Pull up a picture. I don't know who that is. You don't have Danny. I'm Latina. P.

Jim BobDiddy. What the uh Lil Wayne? No. Cristiano Ronaldo. Is he a I think that's type. It's not Italian. Portuguese, but that's that's it. But I

Kelly Vargassay like at the league he looks like so perfect like like the squid word perfect like that's not too much too. You're more of a messy girl. Yeah, I would say

Brian Atlasso. Yeah. Do you But when I say messy like more not messy, not perfect. Messy. Yeah. A little messy. No. Oh, messy. Um, sure. Actually, yes.

Jim BobThat's a great I would say messy. He's like 411. No shot. I think he pretty much is somewhere tiny man. He's a tiny little guy. He's He's a shorter guy, I think.

Brian AtlasBut he makes up for it with his This left Yeah, the cook the kick. His exceptional uh that thing. Okay. All right. Do we have the rest? Yeah. Let's

Brian Atlaspull him up. There's Jim Bob next. Whoa. Wow. You became wild. Wait, you became mixed race.

Jay DyerI became a total crack. Like a like a like a meth head. I look like a methick. Would you guys date them? You think so? No, I would get away from her. She looks

Brian Atlaslike a methhead. Run next. Run. Oh, what the [ __ ] That's the one the worst one of you,

Brian AtlasFelicity, I've ever seen. That's some like murderer status. Yeah, that guy's Damn, that guy's very We lost it. We don't know where the good one is. Say,

Charlie Campbellwhere were you? Where were you? Okay, make it bigger. I look like Marilyn Manson. Mhm. On the far right. The left one's really cute, though. She's super cute.

Brian AtlasHonestly, I look bad. No, you look really good. You date women, so I mean, would you smash? I would. Yeah. Okay, nice. There you go. The left one. I feel so good now. Oh, I was saying Brian's gender bent version. No, I know. The

Jim Bobleft version. The the van soccer mom or the the one that's a little maybe didn't make that many good choices. I would agree. She's a van soccer mom who

Brian Atlasprobably at one point was goth. Oh, yeah. Yes. Very um girl next door. I like that. I I agree with your assessment. Okay. So, uh

Brian Atlasgoing back to you, Charlie, your show notes here. Uh, you wrote body counts and how men are praised for high ones and women are shamed for high ones. Um, um, I mean, so you think it's like a

Charlie Campbelldouble standard kind of? I I do. I I see that as a double I personally don't think I have a high body count if you want me to be completely honest with you. But um, what is that? Like like

Charlie CampbellOkay, but what counts I guess is like are we talking like sex like sex or are we talking about like any sexual interaction I've ever had? Uh P in the V

Brian Atlasor V on V I guess. Um like 13 in my entire life. 13. 13 guys because you were by So what' you say you're by? So

Brian AtlasOkay. Are you breaking it down by gender or I think I think six women like seven guys. I think seven guys. What is the threshold for two women having sex? Is

Brian Atlasit scissoring? Is that the threshold? Or is it oral sex? I don't know what the threshold would be. Sex, close off, I guess. But what is what is sex between two women? Someone coming, but you could

Charlie Campbellcome like through oral sex, right? Or like did I I think I was thinking more like when I answered that question, I was thinking more of the guys, I guess. Um cuz like I don't know, sometimes in

Brian Atlasthe past I'd make out with a guy and like that's it and I'd leave it at that. I don't know. But but yeah, what Yeah. What does constitute? Wait, long story short, two women. I'm genuinely curious.

Sophia (OF LA)I I think an orgasm. Yeah. Oral. That can be fingers. That can be scissoring. That could be Wait, a question. If the What if is it Wait,

Brian Atlashold on. Do both have both people then had sex if only like one person is fingering the other woman?

Brian AtlasSo like only she comes and only she's been fingered. Well, that's not normally the case. Usually, both of them come in this case, right? But I'm just exploring it, I guess. So, I I Yeah, sure. You

Charlie Campbellcould both be like mutual masturbation. Well, I guess my long story short is that I've noticed that a lot of men that, you know, like in their male spaces, you know, when it comes to like quote unquote like, you know, locker

Charlie Campbellroom talk, they'll like high-five each other and be like, "Yo, you know, you've took high body count. I've had sex with like 20 girls, 30 girls." It's like different. But then like women seem to

Charlie Campbellbe like shamed for their high body counts. I think I was watching um something that made me think of this though is that I was watching an old episode of whatever and there was this one guy. He said something along the

Charlie Campbelllines of um he's a born again Christian. His his body count was about 25 to 30 born again Christian and then asked if he would be with a woman who's a born again Christian and her body count was

Charlie Campbellabout the same. And he was basically no. Was long story short, no. And so that makes me think that like wow. So if he's born again and deserves it is is deser I'm not religious but if he's born again

Charlie Campbellby his metrics and he's getting a second chance that now he can live this life why couldn't she I guess is what I'm saying is like and genuinely genuinely like both of them you know and so that's

Charlie Campbellkind of like why is she permanently spoiled and then he changes his ways and he's like reborn again so to speak. Sure. I I mean I can answer this a couple different ways. I would say first

Brian Atlasoff u you have people's individual preferences. So, but when it comes to um when it comes to like a woman who's

Brian Atlaspreviously promiscuous or whatever, even a Christian man who he himself was previously promiscuous, uh former promiscuous people can be saved by

Brian AtlasChrist. Uh Christian men do not need to then disregard the accompanying baggage that might come with somebody's past. even if they've been saved by Christ. I

Brian Atlasthink these are two these are completely compatible. Granted, I'm not I'm not really I'm not taking that position in term like I'm not Christian. No, I know. Um but I'm just saying my understanding

Jim Bobis like just because you're a Christian man, that does not mean you're like you're compelled to date somebody who's like a former prostitute for I can agree with that. There's another element though too is that women are the

Jim Bobgatekeepers of sex and men aren't. So because they're the gatekeepers of sex, the value placed on uh when they open the gates is is is seen as more valuable

Jim Bobthan when women than men open the gates. For instance, it's really easy for women to just go out and have sex with someone. Uh it's harder for men to to get that right. Um the women get to decide like, oh, I'll sleep with you.

Jim BobI'll sleep with you. So, so in a sense like it's almost like that's your that's a woman's leverage and it points to wow if that's your leverage I would argue that's a really good reason to preserve

Jim Bobit and to use that leverage appropriately and I think the best way to use it appropriately is to reserve your virtue as hard as it might be today

Jim Bobum in exchange for a man that deserves it and I think that's a good b that's a good uh it's basically like a cost analysis in a sense. Whereas the man, if he's promiscuous, the woman is not

Jim Bobjudging that as the virtue. They're they're judging their ability to lead, their maybe even their aggression, their uh their ability to provide and protect. And in a weird way, I don't I don't

Jim Bobcondone promiscuity with men, but in a in an interesting way, their promiscuity might even be aligned with their male aggre aggression in pursuit. It might actually be seen as like an attraction

Jim Bobin some weird way, whereas it's not flipped the same way with women. To say it's unfair, I actually don't think it's unfair. I think it's completely consistent with the nature of men and the nature of women. True. Uh the thing

Charlie Campbellthe way you're describing it though, where it's like, oh, men can be given this little bit of leeway. That's kind of you're explaining literally a double standard. Like it is it's not the same standard. a the a double standard would

Jim Bobassume that it should be an equal standard, but I'm saying it's a double standard that women are the gatekeepers of sex. So, like that's not an equal standard with men either, right? Going back to what I was trying to say is that

Charlie Campbellit's kind of like sort of a double standard. Um, being in like the military and stuff, I've I've heard in like obviously like men they they say crazy things in the military. I mean, everyone has thick skin, but you've I've always heard the old adage when you see like

Charlie Campbellguys talking in the military, they say like, oh, you know, a key that can pick open many locks is like a really good key, but a lock that opens the many keys is a really shitty lock. But I would like to flip that back and say, well, if

Brian Atlasa toothbrush washes many mouths, isn't that a shitty [ __ ] toothbrush? Yeah, I actually agree with you. There's a bunch of analogies that you could point towards men. Like, I've heard the pencil sharpener one, for example. Like, uh, like, oh, how does the pencil sharpener

Brian Atlasone go? Um, a a really good pencil sharpener can sharpen many pencils, but like a pencil

Brian Atlasthat is [ __ ] how does it go? I don't know. Just whatever the reverse like so I don't think that analogy is like the the keen lock analogy. I I mean

Brian Atlasit it's helpful in a way, but like women can uh people who are debating against that position can just like forward analogies that are like oh okay men who are promiscuous like they're well I

Charlie Campbellguess I'm talking more I'm referencing more like the average everyday Joe like you you seem to have more sound reasoning like you're able to actually explain these things and I'm like actually listening and I'm able to actually take away things that you're

Charlie Campbellsaying but a lot of men it just ends there like that's it like it's just a guy you can sleep they don't know why They don't know why. It's just just the way it is that a that a guy can sleep with a lot of women and he's like a champion. Like, bro, you got you got

Brian Atlasgame, but a woman who sleeps with a bunch of men is just a [ __ ] I'd like to answer that in a couple ways. So, to the to the I think the point that you just made as to the optics of it, how it's viewed. So, I mean, it's it's actually just factually true that in order for a

Brian Atlasman to be able to sleep with a bunch of women, that actually takes some degree of skill. Uh, any any woman, and we can prove this, any woman, if she was so inclined, could be a [ __ ] could be a

Brian Atlasmassive [ __ ] could [ __ ] three new guys a day. Any woman has that ability. Of course, most women absolutely don't want to do that at all. But any single woman, if she was so inclined, without really having to do

Brian Atlasanything, could just [ __ ] three guys, just go on a dating app. I really can't make that same claim towards men. Like even if a guy wanted desperately to be a [ __ ] and [ __ ] three different women a

Brian Atlasday, unless they were like super high, if if it was like a top tier, really top tier guy, they can make even then it's like a QRE sort

Brian Atlasof like you're going to have to be like really really really good-looking or have some sort of status musician uh athlete, actor for example. Most for an

Brian Atlasaverage woman though if we compare like for like an average woman could [ __ ] 10 guys in a day easy if she want I mean it I don't know if it would be easy but she

Brian Atlascould do it right an average guy cannot [ __ ] 10 women in a day. I mean he's lucky to get like that's kind of like a blanket statement though because you disagree. I do disagree because do you think generally generally speaking

Brian Atlasthere's maybe like certain outliers there but generally speaking you think like average guys have access to hookup culture the same way that average women Oh no no no I I do agree with you. I do agree with you there. I'm just saying

Charlie Campbellthat like if a man does prepare just a little bit. I've seen men have rosters where they can [ __ ] like three girls in one day. Like I three like three is a number I threw out. Sure. I'm not disputing that there are men who have

Brian Atlasrosters and maybe they're not like 10 out of 10 supermodels, but um generally speaking, I think if we look if we just pull the average guy, like for example, if you had to bet your life on like, okay, you're going to send out either an

Brian Atlasaverage woman or an average man onto the street and your life depends on it and they have to like try to [ __ ] three different people that day, who are you going to like pick to save your life? No, you know, and I'll I'll back say I

Charlie Campbelldo agree with you. You're right. it is easier as a woman to get a um a hookup more than like if a guy was out to go out to do the same thing. I've seen this a lot cuz you know I have a lot of friends in different places, military

Charlie Campbellpeople, EMT people, acting community. Like I just have a lot of friends. I'm specifically thinking of a couple who decided to open up their marriage and the guy made a hinge or whatever and he made a bumble and she made a hinge and

Charlie Campbellshe made a bumble and they're both very averagel looking people and she was getting a lot of clicks. She was getting a lot of swipes. She was getting a lot of interactions and he was getting none. And so I guess my point is is that and

Charlie Campbellit was his idea to open up the marriage. Wait, so wouldn't this be further proof of our position? No, I I'm agreeing. I'm saying yes. Like yes, I do agree. I agree. Yes. Because I've seen this actually happen in real life. So I I'm

Charlie Campbellsaying yes, I agree. And this is why. And like she's actually like And then he wanted to close the marriage back. And it's kind of like a Pandora's box where like you open it and it can't be closed again because now she's realizing that

Charlie Campbellshe actually has a lot of leverage and he doesn't. Did she smash a bunch of dudes or to be honest? No, she didn't. She did. She did let them close back the marriage and they were done and like that was it. Like they are they still

Brian Atlastogether? They are actually. Okay. But when it comes to the double standard, I think the other thing I just wanted to bring up is is that even so there's a component of like

Brian Atlasokay, it's easier for women to get laid. So that's why like there's some degree of skill involved when it comes to uh you know men being able to procure sex. I think the other thing though is

Brian Atlaswomen's own preferences when it comes to like women are a little more lenient when it comes to promiscuity in men in so far as if a man has a high body count uh but he's otherwise going to be a good partner like men are going to overlook

Brian Atlasthat a little more than I think uh or excuse me women are going to overlook that more than men are. Uh men seem to weigh promiscuity or past promiscuity or body count more than women. So, for

Brian Atlasexample, um uh what's what's an example I could give? Let's say let's say you have a uh

Brian Atlasa 35-year-old successful uh man who's slept with 30 women. Well, then this gets into age, so I don't know if this is a perfect example, but like a 35-year-old woman is going to

Brian Atlaslook at him and be like, "Okay, that's fine." You have then you have a 35-year-old guy who's looking at a 35-year-old woman who's great, whatever, whatever, but she has a body count of 30. Uh he's typically, well, then this gets into

Brian Atlaslike other components here, so I don't think this is a fair example, but uh most guys are going to pick like the younger, more attractive woman who has a lower body count than the older, more successful woman who has a higher body count.

Charlie CampbellWhile that's true, like you're absolutely right that I've seen this happen time and time again to where I can say this is anecdotally true, I will say that there's um a caveat as to why men pick younger women. And I would say

Charlie Campbellthat men, a lot of men pick younger women because they're a lot more in their eyes pliable, able to be molded into the perfect woman that they want and they play these manipulation games that a lot of women their own age would see right through. I've done it before.

Charlie CampbellNot necessarily. I I'll say that like there have been times where like I was like 22 and I'd be dating a guy that's like 35 and I've matured a lot in those last few years and now I'm 25. You know, as much as

Charlie Campbellsomeone can mature in those three years um in the lines of work that I've done to where nowadays I see right through it, but when I was 22 I didn't. And then I think imagine if I was 35 and I saw this 35year-old man, you know, doing his

Jim Bobthing, I would see right through it. So, I guess that's just what I'm trying. Well, there's also just like just the physicality, like fertility, youth. Obviously, um that would play into why men gravitate toward youthful. Wait, I

Brian Atlasmean I have a question though, just to address your specific point of you saying, okay, men go for younger women because they're more pliable. Uh so essentially, you're saying they're more agreeable.

Charlie CampbellUh not necess Yeah. Yes. And like do you think generally speaking men prefer more agreeable women? I think anybody would choose a more agreeable partner. Like if the like I'm

Brian Atlasnot going to pick a guy who's a stick in the mud. I'm not going to pick I mean I'm bisexual so I'm not going to pick a girl or a guy who's a stick in the mud. Are you just trying to argue though like oh men are manipulative and they're trying to take advantage of No, not at

Charlie Campbellall. I've dated like really good men who are genuinely really highquality men and for some reason or another it didn't work out. Not at all. I'm not like a man hater or like a misandress at all. What do you think that in some cases

Jim Bobit's actually the best thing for a man to form a malleable p a woman into a better woman? I

Charlie Campbellthink a man shouldn't only specifically go for younger women if his reason is to form her and shape her. he should probably like see a woman maybe like I mean people have their preferences

Charlie Campbellhonestly people have their preferences but I'm saying that I think if you're only pursuing younger women because they're more malleable they're pliable they're they can be molded like clay into the perfect woman for you I think

Charlie Campbellthat's a little manipulative but would you say that that's like the primary reason men date younger women? Yeah. I mean, no, no, no, no, no. There's sometimes there's just that connection. Like, I mean, there have been times where I dated older men and there's just

Charlie Campbellconnections right there. Like, I can tell it's not because I'm a younger woman that he wants to like, what if it's they're just hot? What if that's what I'm saying? They're just hot. That's it. I mean, he's not it's not some like manipulation. And then there

Brian Atlasthere could be a counterargument here. So, I think for example, um if I wanted to get something out of a woman, uh I could probably pretty easily manipulate a woman who's like 35 and doesn't have kids and she's like really really really

Brian Atlaslike she's like, "Okay, here's my last go to get a relationship." I could just say, "Well, I could really easily manipulate this like woman who's like really really really desperate for a relationship." Whereas like an 18-year-old woman, 19, 20, 21 year old

Brian Atlaswoman who's like exceptionally attractive and she has like a plethora of options that she probably won't have when she's 35. Uh because I think optionality tends to give you like you're you're much more uh what's the

Brian Atlascorrect word? When when you have a bunch of options, you're much more I think you're more discerning when it comes to which option you're going to pick. So, and also I think um as a guy for you to get with a younger woman, you got to you

Brian Atlasgot to bring quite a bit more to the table, I think. But uh in any case, I think a woman who's like 35 and doesn't have kids and like [ __ ] I need to have

Charlie Campbellkids. She's a mark for manipulation. I will say I agree with you absolutely 10,000% on that because again I have real life examples in my life. Um I used to be roommates with a woman. She's

Charlie Campbellamazing by the way, but she's super liberal LGBTQ pro- activist. Like she's a really and she's a really kind human being.

Charlie CampbellUm, and she's currently dating a guy who um, he kind of sprung it up on her, but like he presented himself as like a politically moderate human. And then

Charlie Campbellmaybe 3 months in, he's like, I'm a Trump supporter. And honestly, the guy's hot. He's he's a hot guy. Um, but it's kind of like she's kind of like, well, I'm 37 and I feel like I have to settle.

Charlie CampbellLike, so I I'm saying that I agree with you. I've seen it happen. So where it's like her morals is like I'm a super liberal woman, but because I'm aging, I'm going to probably settle with

Charlie Campbellsomeone whose ideas and whose values don't necessarily coincide with mine, which if you ask me, that's a recipe for disaster, but I'm not going to judge her. Yeah. And just final thing on the point I was just making now about like how younger women have far more

Brian Atlasoptionality. I also think just because of like life stage, at least if it's a more like modern like woman who's not, you know, there's like traditional women who are like 20 who are like really pressed to get married and start a

Brian Atlasfamily young. Although I'd say the majority of young women today aren't operating in that paradigm and that dynamic. So like a young woman who's not really pressed to like start a family or have kids and she's got a bunch of

Brian Atlasoptionality. She's got a bunch of men her own age who want to sleep with her. She's got a b bunch of men who are older who are like want to take her on trips and do all this stuff. I actually think she's far harder to lock down than like

Brian Atlasthe 35-year-old woman whose optionality is dwindling and she's like pressed to have a family and kids. So, when it comes to manipulation, I'd just make the argument that she's actually easier to manipulate because like if I'm starting

Brian Atlasif I'm doing some [ __ ] with a 20-year-old who's got like every dude wants to [ __ ] her and she's really good-looking and she's not like super pressed to be in like some super serious long-term relationship. Yeah, she can just dump me and move on with it and not

Jim Bobreally give a [ __ ] I want to just add something interesting there is that the your roommate situation is that um there was something she saw as a future and

Jim Bobshe had to make a choice kind of a binary um one way or the other. Now I guess the question is if a woman

Jim Bobis looking to settle down and ultimately they're looking for stability. Um how many times do you think they would choose the conservative traditional man

Charlie Campbellover the liberal man? It for me it depends. Um I've met a lot of conservative men who are politically conservative but they could not any be any farther from being traditional. You

Charlie Campbellknow what I mean? I've se I've seen that before. Mhm. Um, so if you're talking like the textbook like traditional hold open the door like does all that. Well, let me let me ask you a question. What

Jim Bobdoes the cookie cutter liberal man look like to you? So I can choose between the two. Uh, it's not Yeah. You mean as far as like their I know what a cookie cutter conservative man looks like to me. Well, I would say like more men

Jim Bobtoday are a little more androgynous, a little like weak. like you were explaining like you're dating like you're like what are you like what is this like in their princesses? Yeah. And they're also like sort of like faux

Jim Boblaring feminists where they're just like you know everything's oh you whatever you want and there's no real leadership there because they're so afraid of like violating the feminist doctrine or

Jim Bobwhatever. I think that kind of liberal mindset is really open and that let's let's call it broad broadness versus narrowness. That's the best way I could put it. If you find a man is liberal,

Jim Bobhe's open, he's broad, he's open to things, he's it could go any way. Uh a tradition traditional man, even the fake laring conservative you're talking about, there's many of them. They're still going to advocate for something a

Jim Boblittle more narrow. And uh I think the thing we're pointing at is that when it comes down to it, when the woman wakes up and she realizes there's a future and she has to choose, she's going to choose

Jim Bobthe future that's downstream from a tradition rather than downstream from what a 100year-old enlightenment shitow, right? Like liberalism. It it's like

Jim Bobit's not paying off for the women like at all. like the whole entire structure is like collapsing and they're realizing a little too late many of them that um

Jim Boboh [ __ ] I got to I got to I got to latch on to something now and and a unfortunately a lot of them it is too late because the man that they're actually looking for is already married.

Jim BobWhy? Cuz the woman they're looking for was younger and willing and understood that they have to be they're going to be mothers in this situ situation. So they have to, like Jay said, you have to

Jim Bobstart being a traditionalist. You have to start examining these things earlier than men have to. Is that a double standard? No, it's just the difference between men. Men have a longer time to

Charlie Campbellfind the traditional woman. Women have less time to find the traditional man. But that's all like made up. Like those madeup rules. No, it's not. You can find somebody. I've seen people who have not

Charlie CampbellI've seen personally but you hear of people who have these marriages and their spouse dies unfortunately and then later on in life like at 67 they find someone else and they find love like

Jim Bobthey find love with that other person. That's not what's in question. Like one instance where like spouses die and they have to find you know you're going to find another partner for the rest of your life. We're talking about these key

Jim Bobmoments for women specifically in their years of fertility, high fertility, uh between 20, 35, maybe 40. And they have they

Jim Bobreally do that ticking that that clock is real. That's a real thing. And the person that wants to act on that clock, the man, he's going to be more lean toward a traditional Christian view. and

Jim Bobhe's going to be looking for women who are more committed early on to the future they're living into, not uh as some sort of lastm minute

Jim Bobum desperate cling to a floaty device like you know what I mean like like like when we were asking her say Jay asked her okay so you're going to finally find the traditional man and then then you're

Jim Bobgoing to be a traditionalist like at like 45 when like you know let's say nothing works out I'm not saying it will but it's like if it didn't work out your whole career and and you started to realize at like 40 that you were like,

Jim Bob"Oh, wait. Maybe I maybe I should pursue being a mother, you'll start to think, oh, well, maybe that wouldn't happen." Well, I'm just saying that happens all the time. Wait, what do you mean what what would not happen? I I don't think

Brian Atlasat 40 I would start to have a revelation of like, wait, I should I should have been a mom. No, you don't think that happens? No, I have Are you saying Not for me. Not for me. Are you saying you

Brian Atlasyou know with certainty you will have family and children? Listen if I'm at my prime right now for fertility. Mhm. Well, you're not. But okay. Well, at

Kelly Vargasleast then 10 years. Yes. Thank you. Why would I at 40 want to suddenly change my life and have a kid? I think that's silly. It's Oh, I thought I thought you were coming at it from the angle of I

Brian Atlaswill definitely have kids by then, so it's not even a concern. No, I thought that's what you meant. No, no, no, no. I was just saying no. I wouldn't have kids. I need to let the chat come through.

SPEAKER_01Clover98 donated $200. Shut up, Gingerely in seat five. The tweaker in seat three and the rest of the panel want a chat as well. Yo, Clover, thank you for the TTS. I appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. The

Lexi (Baker)tweaker in seat 3. Do you want to respond to the tweaker allegations? What a I love was he maybe? No. I'm hoping No tweaking. No tweaking. All right. Zero tweaking. is saying it because of the she's just a

Brian Atlasbaker. The gender swap thing. That's what I'm I'm my fingers are crossed. That's what it's about. We have just a baker. We have Jake burnt. Jay, we need you to start more [ __ ] Speak up. We need the fire you bring to make this

Brian Atlasinteresting. Also, stay on the come up from Reland to whatever to Joe Rogan next ICXC. Continue spreading the Christ. W. Thank you, Jake. Appreciate your message there to uh to Jay. Oh, by

Brian Atlasthe way, guys, I've lowered the TTS. We're doing a 69 $69 TTS. If you guys want to get a message in now that it's lowered a little bit, I'm going to continue on with the show notes here. Uh

Brian Atlaslet's see. Charlie, you als you you also wrote um yeah, we already talked about the double standard thing. You want to talk about men's mental health and the

Brian Atlasunaliving rate being a result of the rules men have put in place. Yeah. Um, obviously with like my military service, I've seen people, and you also hear

Charlie Campbellthings obviously cuz we have the internet, is that I've seen people in my life that I knew personally take their own lives. And there were a lot of moments where not just me, but other, you know, other soldiers would be like,

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