For The PERFECT Man, She WILL NOT Take His Last Name/Quit Her Job?! Jay Dyer! JB! | Dating Talk #242

Date: 2025-05-12

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSophia (OF LA)>

CCharlie Campbell >

KKelly Vargas >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Kelly Vargas(guest)

SPEAKER_04Charlie Campbell(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kyla Turner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Hyasin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sophia (OF LA)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jay Dyer(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jim Bob(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lexi (Baker)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentSophia: ex con-artist stole SSN, spent $20K+, faked stalking emails

Key MomentJay Dyer vs Kyla Turner erupts: 32 interruptions vs 7. Brian asks them to say one nice thing.

ControversyKelly refuses to take man's last name even for trillionaire. Extended double-standard debate.

Key MomentJay challenges Kyla to name philosophy books; she can't recall titles but discusses content of 5 Plato dialogues

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Hyasin, Kyla Turner, Lexi, Sophia, Charlie, Kelly, Jim Bob, Jay Dyer.

Sophia Con-Artist Ex

Ex sent fake stalking emails, stole SSN, spent $20K+, hacked socials.

Jay Dyer vs Kyla Turner Philosophy Debate

Extended debate spanning 2 episodes: feminism, patriarchy, relativism, Agrippa's Trilemma, Kant, Plato, Nietzsche. Chat counts Jay 32 interruptions vs Kyla 7.

Last Name Debate

Kelly refuses to take husband's name even for perfect trillionaire. Central double-standard flashpoint.

Body Count Round

Charlie: 13 (7M, 6W). Other guests decline.

Bear vs Man

Sophia and Hyasin choose bear citing SA experiences.

Transcript

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Brian Atlasthis changes anything. Would you rather be locked in a cage with a random man or a random bear? Like a cage the size of this table.

Sophia (OF LA)Honestly, from my experience, I'd rather not I don't I don't want to say it, but I'd rather not be that here anymore than deal with what the man

Kyla Turnercould do to me in the cage. You you'd un alive. Yeah. I No, I'd let the bear take me. You think that like most men though, cuz this is like kind of a part of the issue is that like men do really bad

Kyla Turnerviolent stuff, right? But the so do bears. But the issue is that like a when we hike we pass random men on the trail all the time. Like most men are not seeking to do violence to women. There's

Kyla Turnera small predisposition of men that to be fair most men also hate that do violence to women. But I think most men are good and when like if I was locked in a cage with a man, I'd be like, "God, I hope he's not super awkward so we can have

Jim Boblike at least interesting conversation." Um, I used the uh elevator uh situation and someone went ahead and sent me I'll probably just butcher the the uh stats,

Jim Bobbut it was astronomically insane. How many elevator rides uh with a bear? No, no, no. That would that would occur daily uh between a man and a woman alone

Jim Bobin an elevator. Gotcha. And so that's like it's an insane amount of of rides and then you you measure it against the reported amount of uh of attacks or

Jim Bobessays or whatever it is. And um it's extremely low. But that's why it's like where where this is taking place suddenly changes everything, right? Cuz if you're in a bear, you're in an

Jim Bobelevator with a bear, like it's it's pretty high likely that the wrong move, you're done. Whereas the amount of times you're in an elevator with a man, it's like it's not like the wrong move. Wrong one wrong move and you're done. It's

Brian Atlaslike you're probably just going to make it to your floor. So, yeah. Did you want to continue with I agree with everything you're uh saying on the whole bear thing. Um Oh, I mean

Kyla Turnerthere's a really interesting Do you know how this this talking point came around? So, it was actually a red pill um like Tik Tocker guy who would do street interviews. street interview. Yeah. Yeah. So, he was interviewing a bunch of

Kyla Turnerwomen and he actually most women answered a man, right? Cuz that's a reasonable answer. The issue is that when he clipped it together, he only selected the women that said a bear. And so then what happened is that like a lot of feminists felt the need to defend the

Kyla Turnergirlies by being like, "No, it's justified for the bear." Even though it's like, "No, it's not, guys. We don't need to die on this hill. This is a stupid hill to die on. Like, it's absolutely insane." Um, are you saying that women are easily influenced by propaganda? I think everyone is easily

Kyla Turnerinfluenced. about more so you think more so than men. Uh the amount of men that are like watching you guys. No, I'm sorry. No, men can be propagandized to you just as

Kyla Turnerwell as we didn't ask if they both can be. I said, who do you think is more vulnerable to propaganda, women or men? I genuinely don't think that there's an answer to this because the type of propaganda that sells to women is not the type of propaganda that would sell

Jim Bobto men. That's the content is irrelevant to whether or not one is equal. just different things will be more effective with each party. I I don't think women are You're like a professional non-answer. It's actually a skill.

Jim BobHonestly, I got to hand it to you. It's just an answer. I I would say it is equal. It is equal between men and women. When when the waitress says, "Would you like um do you think do you like cream in your your coffee or not

Kyla Turnercream? Do you go into a big diet tribe about the distinction between cream and not cream?" So, we talked about this yesterday. The answer would be it again. She answer like a parody. The answer would be milk. And the second answer to

Kyla Turnerwhat you're actually asking here is that the world is really [ __ ] complicated and it's always complicated. That's your answer to everything. Is partial reserve banking simple or complicated? Everything. You mean fractional reserves? Fractional reserves. Yeah.

Kyla TurnerPartial reserve banking is another thing that happens. Things are complicated. Everything's complicated. Is that your reasoning? No. But a lot of the topics that we end up talking about in social culture is complicated. That's why so

Jim Bobmany people on it. Do I understand what anything you're saying? What's the difference between fractional reserve and partial reserve? So there's a difference. I'm sorry. We're not going into this right now. Do you want it? Do you want to answer what a gamut is? You

Kyla Turnersaid it. Do you want We talked about it. Do you want to answer a difference? What is it? What about an agrip dilemma? You can't answer it. Do have you read any books on the empiricism of sexuality modality, fractional reserve and interesting. So you won't answer

Kyla Turnerquestions, but I have to answer question. Do you know what a gam is? Why are you asking him about gameamt? Because I asked him like 10 like a guys. Holy [ __ ] Wait. Oh my god. A

SPEAKER_01TTS just came through. That's crazy. The irony of women choosing the bear and then allowing men to participate in women's sports and acting as if strength isn't an issue is wild. Timothy, thank you for the message. Thank you for the

Brian AtlasTTS. I really appreciate it. Final thing on the bear thing. Uh question for you. Um so you pick bear. You pick bear. If a white person was presented this

Brian Atlasscenario, but we changed it a little bit and it it was instead of a man, would you rather come across a bear or a black

Brian Atlasperson on a hike and the person picks bear, the white person picks bear instead of the black person. Would that be racist? I think you're just making it

Brian Atlasracist. How am I? Well, I'm I'm not making it racist. It's simply just You're asking me if choosing a specific color it versus a bear is going to be racist. Well, I don't think, for

Brian Atlasexample, it would be I just said, man, I for example, I I don't think it would be racist for me to ask the following question. Uh, if you have a deep-seated hatred of a minority group and then you inflict a crime on that minority group

Brian Atlasbecause they belong to that min to that minority group, I don't think that would make me racist for asking that question. So, it's not racist in and of itself.

Sophia (OF LA)So, okay. Look, would it be racist though? No, into the mic. No, because I'd still choose the bear because I said bear versus man. I'm based off my experience.

Brian AtlasI choose the bear. I don't know. Okay. Well, then I can just I guess I'll just ask you the question. Uh, would you rather come across a black person in the

Brian Atlaswood in the woods on a hike or a bear? a bear. I because I chose bear versus men. Okay. All right. I mean, she she bit the bullet on that one. So, wow. I

Jay DyerI'm never gonna I'm not going to change my answer because you put a like because you made it into a certain Is it because the bear would give you a black eye? Like it's Oh, she rough stuff. So, I

Brian Atlasguess she that's kind of a component of it. We're talking about essay at this point. We're not talking about rough sex. Does it change anything if uh do you woman or bear? Does that change your answer at all? A woman or bear? Yeah,

Brian Atlasyou pick a woman or a bear. Yeah, I pick a woman. Okay. So, in the black person one though, it could be a woman or a man, but they're black.

Brian AtlasI'd still pick the woman. No, but you don't know. It's just a a person versus bear. I'm going to choose bear if it's just a random person and I because you could get a guy. I'm not going to choose

Jim Boba man over a bear. But you're not choosing a man. choosing a black person. No, I'm not. I'm choosing a bear. Can I What about Wait, can I Oh, sorry. Can I

Jim Bobjust follow up one more? Um, let's say you choose bear and it spawns in front of you and it becomes aggressive with you, but you you get to spawn something new. Do you spawn an additional bear or a

Jim Bobman? Because the bear is now attacking you. Do you spawn another bear or do you spawn a man? Again, I'm not I'm just going to choose another bear. Two bears. Okay. I'm just going to choose the bear. I'm not going to make you just Yeah.

Sophia (OF LA)Orurelius in the chat says, "Whoa, why' Brian let a KKK member on the show?" That's crazy, Sophia. That's But like, do you see how like you set me up for that? Like, do you see what I meant by saying like the question was pretty

Kyla Turnerracist because you No, I think your answer to it was racist. This is actually a really good example of how men can be propagandized, too. Well, because if anyone watching this actually thought that that was a reasonable dunk of you, then they're like actually brain dead. I think it's kind of a reasonable

Kyla Turnerdunk. And here's why. Here's why. It's not. Here's why. I I disagree with her answer. I just I It's not a super reasonable dunk because the black person could be a man. So, she's going to pick a bear still. Well, for that reason, I

Brian Atlasguess it's less of a dunk. It's still a dunk, though. Because essentially, racism bad. Yes. Yeah. Sexism. I'm sure that's what she believes in. No. No. But do you think racism is bad? Yeah. By and large, not.

Brian AtlasOkay. Do you think sexism is bad? Yeah. By and large. Okay. So if you in the scenario if it would be racist to pick a bear over a black person, then it so too

Brian Atlasmust also be sexist to pick a bear over a man. And you even acknowledge you even acknowledge that picking the bear over a man is like kind of a shitty answer. Sure. But it like it's not racist because she's like, "Well, it's

Sophia (OF LA)specifically black people that I'm afraid of." It's because she's consistently not picking men whether you put a different race or that. So it's not she's not being changed my answer when you change the race. I optically

Brian Atlaspicked consistently but optically despite her reasoning for it it's optically bad to pick bear over black person. Sure. But that's just because you like again you like loaded the question. She's just being sexist

Hyasinobviously. Okay, fair enough. What do you pick? I mean with that kind of context, right? It get makes it impossible to answer. So that doesn't really apply. But do you think you'd be racist for

Hyasinsomebody to pick bear over black person? Is there like a statistic on if I would get a guy or if I would get a woman? We'll just It's 50/50. 50/50. 50/50. Black guy, black woman. You have better

Brian Atlaschances choosing the black person by, you know, get a woman. Yeah. Okay. But but what if a white person's like, "Nah,

Brian AtlasI pick the bear." Is that racist? Would that be racist if they do make that selection? If they didn't consider that option of like, you know, you could get a woman, you know, I guess so. Okay. So,

Brian Atlasthen they would just be sexist then. They wouldn't be racist, but they would just be sexist. Yeah. Okay. But what if it's like, again, if they do pick the bear and they're like, I don't care if

Brian Atlasit was a man or a woman. I just pick the bear over a black woman or a black man. It's a little arrogant. I guess it's a little what? Arrogant. I guess arrogant. Yeah.

Hyasinlike um I say that like because you're I don't know. I don't think that that's a very educational say thing to say. If

Hyasinyou choose just the bear and not know any of the other context, then you know I don't know what's the question that you guys are asking me. I already answered. I'm just saying if you pick

Brian Atlasbear, you're sexist. That's my position. If you pick bear over man, you're sexist. Okay. And you have like some pretty shitty views on men. So, what what was the follow-up question? Did she say based? I mean, I said based on what

HyasinI've Oh, I thought you were like based like Yes. Good. to just answer the question without asking questions like that, you know, like what would be the statistic of getting a woman? 50/50.

HyasinThen you could make an educated guess, you know, or decision. Well, why would you have chose the bear in the first place? I don't understand. Because I've been graped before. I'm like, what else do you want? But statistically, you're

Hyasinmore likely to survive. I've seen Well, I No, because we hear stories of men who drag women out to the desert and leave them there like after torturing them.

Jay DyerBut after But out of a random selection of men, I wouldn't have to live with that consequence. But the consequence is more dangerous

Jay Dyerwith a bear on average than with a random guy. All right, we're talking. Let's bring permiscuity into it. Say, well, let me 10 random dudes. How many do you think are psychopathic serial

Hyasinkillers? 10 random dudes. Would you date a woman that has been violated by a man like like that or would she be damaged goods? Does that make sense? Uh I I think it's reasonable for a guy

Jay Dyerto not want to date a woman who has certain baggage or trauma from the past. But you want to answer his question. Out of 10 random dudes, how many do you think on average would be a serial

Hyasinkiller psychopath? Um probably like two. Two out of 10. Two out of 10 are serial killers. So do you think 20% of serial killers but or psychopaths? You said or psychopaths unless you mean but you said

Jay Dyerin your example. Okay. But you said in your example that a guy would not be preferable because he might torture grape etc. if in the case of the bear imagination is much wilder than a

Jay Dyerbear. A bear is just going to get it done. But statistically, are you more likely to survive a random dude out of all the men? Is that would I want to

Kyla Turnersurvive? Like, you know, if it if I was tortured for 10 hours plus, why would I want what's more likely to happen? Like, if you run across a man, is it likely that he's going to do the the most awful thing that you're imagining? Or is it

Kyla Turnerlikely that he'll just be like, "Yo, what's up? We're on the trail together." Or like, "If you're in a problem, help you." Like, what's the most likely thing that a man would do? That's what he's asking. Well, I guess I'd have to agree

Jay Dyerwith you. I chose the wrong answer. Yeah. I mean, it would be better for your long-term survival to choose a guy.

Sophia (OF LA)Okay. What do you think? I think it's really hard for you to touch on this topic when you haven't dealt with what we've dealt with. You're just How How would you know that,

Jay Dyerthough? Have you been Have you been essayed? Exactly. Wait, so are you are you saying men? But what would that have to do with the

Sophia (OF LA)statistics of whether or not a bear is more likely than a man to hurt you? It I'm saying from what you were just saying Mhm. it you're speaking from like

Sophia (OF LA)someone who hasn't dealt with it. So you're speaking from someone who I I spoke bare from what I've dealt with and from that's that was my answer because

Jay Dyerof what I've dealt with. PTSD. Yeah. Exactly. You're just you're just mates. Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Go ahead. Well, but the point is that you're much more

Jay Dyerlikely to survive on the basis of the objective stats rather than your subjective experience. Is it 100% sure that nothing would

Brian Atlashappen to us or are we just going? No, you don't know. You don't know. It just feels like you you also move through the world like I'm sure you guys aren't hermits. like you go out and about and maybe you you go out at night which

Brian Atlasthere's a risk and a safety concern if you're going out drinking at bars for example. I don't know if you guys do that. No. Okay, that's fine. But you move through the world in such a way that there's some risk involved. I think

Jim Bobjust being a woman there's always going to be a risk. Correct. Sure. Well, it's good to know that one thing about the hypothetical is to know and admit that men are actually

Jim Bobdangerous. um whether or not you're going to be assaulted or anything is different than whether it's descriptively true that men can do things to you. So um whereas it's always

Jim Bobtrue for a bear, but uh to Jay's point um if your exper if my experience with a certain uh group of people uh was that I

Jim Bobwas uh let's say robbed multiple times. Uh, I think what Brian is asking in another hypothetical is would it be racist based on my experience with that group of people to choose something

Jim Bobother than that than that group of people's uh demographic, ethnicity, category, just even if the stats were actually in opposition to my my choice.

Brian AtlasUm, do you have anything to weigh in on this? I mean to to Jim Bob's point here, it's just essentially if it's racist because I here I'll just ask a simple question. So you you guys have had bad

Brian Atlasexperiences with men. I don't doubt this at all. I don't doubt that absolutely there are men who are uh monsters who commit heinous crimes and they uh are

Brian Atlasterrible and it's awful. Absolutely awful that it happens. Um but when you then say okay well if somebody has had a

Brian Atlasbad experience with X group in your case men does this then justify you having sort of this baseline

Brian Atlasuh fear or uh hatred or contempt of the entire group sim similar to for example let's say uh a white person was beat up

Brian Atlasby a group of black people would this then give them justification for the rest of their life to be continuously fearful of black people and have a bias

Brian Atlasagainst them and think negatively about them and so forth. No, I don't think so. Okay. All right. And then also just to your point, you were saying how Jay here

Brian Atlashe you were claiming he didn't have this experience, but like wouldn't this also then have to apply to somebody who's like anti-SA? So, oh, who are you to have an

Sophia (OF LA)anti- essay opinion, but you yourself have not been essayed? It would have to apply both ways. No, I'm just saying he was speaking for us, saying that we

Sophia (OF LA)shouldn't feel a type of way or we should go at life a certain way when it's just That's not what I was saying. Just because he himself hasn't had that

Brian Atlasexperience doesn't preclude him from coming to a uh a determination as to like a a a risk of a particular

Sophia (OF LA)scenario or having an opinion on essay. I didn't say he shouldn't have an opinion on essay. I was just saying that he shouldn't have an opinion on how we both feel about our situation. But I was

Jay Dyermaking the point that for your own survival, wouldn't you want to choose the more likely means of surviving a man versus a bear?

Sophia (OF LA)I can just say that I don't I don't want to live a if it happens to me again, but I don't want to go through life again if it happens to me again. So I choose bear

Jay Dyerpoint like period. So you're not concerned with your survival at that point? No. So it's it's a

Jim Bobhypothetical, right? The hypothetical gives you the option that's most likely to result in your survival. Not certain. Like it's not a certainty thing. It's

Jay Dyerjust you're you're making the call based on likelihood of of I don't think things not going bad. Your favor. Whether I've been essayed or not has nothing to do with whether you're more likely to

Hyasinsurvive with a guy. If we're comparing two aggressors, so if you're comparing a man to a bear, like wouldn't they be equal and aggressive, you know, demeanor?

Jim BobNot the potential. I mean, a bear can do a lot of aggressive immediate harm. A man can do harm, but um we're talking about the likelihood, right? So the

Jim Boblikelihood um I honestly look at this and I and I think bear in my experience I grew up in the mountains and so my experience of bears is actually that they run. So I don't I don't actually

Jim Boblike the hypothetical because you can spook a bear pretty easily. Um uh of course bears of color attack more than other bears. Um but that's actually true. Actually I think polar bears are

Jim Bobthe most aggressive technically. No, no. And I'm talking about aggress aggressive. Like if you're in proximity, the most amount of attacks are from black bears. Yeah. But it's proximity. I think polar bears are technically significantly more. Yeah. They were more

Jay Dyeraggressive. The white bear is not good. The point is that it shows the inability to think objectively and to think hypothetically is the point. And so you would choose something that would be damaging to you on the basis of your own

Brian Atlassubjective experience. That's the point. I guess we're just fear-based at some point, you know. Sure. Uh moving it on. Uh, really quick on this one. Soph, uh,

Brian Atlasthis is for Sophia and Kelly. You would not date a police police officer. Why is that? It just doesn't align with what I do in life. What do you mean? I'm I'm an

Brian Atlasartist. Like, why would I? Okay. So, you'd want to date the guy who's Yeah, that's a creative or at least some what? There's some creativeness that comes with law enforcement, I guess. I mean, got What about a sketch artist? Would

Brian Atlasyou date a sketch artist? Sketch artist. a police officer, but he's a sketch artist. He's like, "Here's the criminal." Draws the criminal. Still, no. Wait a second. I actually have a

Jim Bobgood question. Is um uh is it an assumption that you Oh, sorry. Is it an assumption that uh the person you're with should be like as

Jim Bobcreative as you or like what if it's the case they're more like I don't know. I don't even know how value uh how valid these terms are like type A and stuff but like more organized stable isn't

Jim Bobreally lofty about like dreams and art and all this stuff but you are and he loves that you are but you don't actually connect on that level. I'm wondering why that seems like you're

Kelly Vargasmaking it like sort of a necessity that he's like creative and and you know No, I I would police officers to me it just seems like out of pocket like I don't even all my friends people who I associate even family members none of

Kelly Vargasthem are police officers. I just don't find like I would find any attraction towards them or anything in common. Um what is Italian? I do understand that like opposites attract. So yeah. Uh your

Sophia (OF LA)answer to the question? Oh, I just feel like they're strict. Like, I smoke weed. I do Only Fans. Like, I don't really think we're going to align. Lack of alignment. Okay, fair enough. Uh, by the way, guys, we are

Brian Atlasgetting towards the tail end of the show here. So, we're going to do a roast session. $30 TTS for the roast. $30 TTS. Do that. Streamlabs.com/ whatever if you want to get one in. I'm going to let a

SPEAKER_01few come in really quick, but then I do have a few more topics to touch on. Here we have uh solo cleric. Thank you. Cleric 83 donated $50. I want to say despite disagreeing with you ladies on a

SPEAKER_01bunch of stuff, I do appreciate the recognition that not all men are violent monsters. Yeah, Kyla, you you I mean, you're pretty reasonable, I'd say. So, I was a

Brian Atlaslittle I mean, but sometimes it'll be okay. He probably disagrees with me on that, but I mean at least your position on the bear thing that you seem pretty reasonable reasonable on that one cuz we get some

Kyla Turnerwe get we get some pretty there's a lot of like reasonable people. I think you know to to give some level of like levity. I think when people like speak out of trauma it does lead to like misinformed evaluations. The issue is that like I'm not super interested in

Kyla Turnerlike [ __ ] on people for like their trauma response. It's more like how do we how do we live in more adaptive healthy way? That's her. We have Christine here. Thank you, Christine. Christine donated $69.

SPEAKER_01The question is to show how stubborn and delusional we are. Stop making women look insane. I hate this question because you all fall for it because you want to be right and we look stupid.

Brian AtlasThank you, Christine. Appreciate that. Uh, we have double agent here coming in with another one. Then we have two more. Then we'll get back to some convo. Thank you, Christine. Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Double agent donated $29.99.

Brian AtlasThank you, double agent. Would you rather be alone with a bear in the woods or a mentally ill man pretending to be a woman in a restroom? Before you guys answer that, really quick, I want to do a shout out to The Crucible. They just sent over a raid. I guess Andrew was

Brian Atlasstreaming. Hey, Andrew. I don't know if you're watching or if it was somebody else streaming on your account, but thank you so much for the raid. Uh the Crucible, welcome to the Crucible crew. We've got a great panel here tonight,

Brian Atlasguys. So, uh thank you for the raid. Uh, the question was, would you rather be alone with a bear in the woods or a mentally ill man pretending to be a woman in the restroom? To those of you who picked bear, which do you pick? Bear

Brian Atlasin the woods or a I guess it's a transgender woman.

Sophia (OF LA)Uh, he's mentally ill or she's mentally ill. Sure. I guess pretending to be a woman. So, they're not really trans into the So, they're not So, they're pretending to be a woman. So, they're not technically

Sophia (OF LA)trans. You just said it. They're all pretending or they're just No, I'm just saying they're just in a bathroom pretending to be a girl in a bathroom and then you they you open the door and they're not. I think we're

Kyla Turnertalking about the same thing here. They're obviously not. They're obviously like asking like is it like genuinely like a dude who just like put on a wig to like go be creepy with women or is it just a

Kyla Turnertrend? No distinction. No distinction. Yeah, but the issue is that they're making this distinction. What's the distinction? Well, they're making it. So, you have to distinction or enforce them and then

SPEAKER_01their answer would be creepy men. I often look when I think I like so exciting for you $30. Since chair 4's object of pleasure is pain, perhaps the

SPEAKER_01best kind of friend with benefits she can get is a porcupine. However, maybe she would dump the porcupine, too. Not rough enough. Word. Thank uh thank you, Vector. Good

SPEAKER_01to see you in the chat, Vector. What's up, man? Uh oh. Realize a network donated $30. Jay, please destroy this radical orthodoxy [ __ ] She claims

SPEAKER_01to read and to have faith bit yesterday. It said in the 50s. It actually started in 1999 from a singular book by John Milbank. Pure BS. I don't know what the

Brian Atlas50s thing that they're referencing. I also don't think we want to go into a apologetics religious debate. Mm- Jay, do you want to do like a 20 second monologue super quick on this? I didn't

Brian Atlassee the whole Oh, he just says, "Please, please destroy this radical orthodoxy BS." If you can give like a Yeah, I mean, I don't know what or where she

Jay Dyercame up with her religious views, but they seem to be just made up. Made up. What is it? Good one. She made Well, she said Paul was a postmodernist, which is total nonsense. Yeah, I know. That's a really fun one for you. And so, where

Kyla Turnerdid you get up your religious views? What is it? Orthodox and where is that from? Uh radical orthodoxy is a theological movement that's really interested in engaging with the uh ancient scriptures and the way that the ancients blah blah blah blah. And what is that? Sorry. Sorry. Do you want me to

SPEAKER_01answer? Do you not want me to? That's all I heard. All right. We have a match. Timothy Jeremiah donated $69. Transgender Bear Malls woman hours before track meet wins gold sex record.

Brian AtlasAlso noted as having the biggest set of nuts of all participants. Okay. Thank you. Uh, Timothy Jeremiah, appreciate your message here. Uh, oh boy. Okay,

SPEAKER_01I'll Oh my, whoever sent this in, you're ridiculous, but I'll play it. Bride all fatler donated $30. Crazy. A question for the ladies. Would you rather blow

Brian AtlasBrian, lay with Jay, or give a joyful to Jim Bob? That was a joyful. Oh, it changed it. Rim job to Jim Bob. Terrible. The [ __ ] It changed it automatically.

SPEAKER_01Okay. Sons of Liberty donated $29.99. Chair 2's simp husband has a gun in his mouth at least twice per year.

SPEAKER_01Insufferable. What the [ __ ] Jim Bob. Isn't it dangerous for people like this to associate with Christianity? They'll manipulate and change it. They can't. I'm simultaneously so powerful and so stupid that I They can't They can't

SPEAKER_01really change it cuz it's not Christianity. Whatever the hell she just Jason donated $30. Not so bright. Listen, dummy. Men can't be women and

Brian Atlaswomen can't be men. It's the same thing. Yo, Jason Cassell, thank you for that. And then we have this one coming in. Doctrine, then we'll get into a couple questions. Doctrine matters donated $30.

SPEAKER_01Jim Bob been enjoying your appearances and respect Jay's theological depth. Chair one is definition of don't judge a book by its cover. respectful,

Brian Atlassubmissive, beautiful, homemake. Hats off to you, miss. There you go. All right. A little compliment for you there, doctrine.

Brian AtlasAppreciate it. Okay. Uh, this question is kind of crazy, but whatever. Um, okay. So, this is possibly the dumbest

Brian Atlasquestion ever. Let's say you're having consensual sex with a woman and the sex is great, right? And you guys have had sex a lot of times before.

Kyla TurnerAnd you're uh it's missionary position. You're in missionary position. Are we men in this case? No, you're the woman. Well, we're having sex with women. Like is it lesbian sex or No, there there's a

Brian Atlasman and a woman. So you're observing this happening now. There's a binary. Okay. Missionary missionary position though. And then the woman clearly

Brian Atlasrevokes her consent. Clearly. She's like, "Stop, stop, stop, stop." Um, oh my god, this is such a rural

Brian Atlasquestion. At what? Because let's say the guy's on the down thrust. At what point is

Brian Atlasit? Is it like grape? Because like if how many thrusts until because like you got to give the

Brian Atlasguy at least one thrust because he's on the down thrust and it's gravity. So okay, you're have and he's going to stop but it's just like is has

Brian Atlashe just graped you if you say stop but it's like the middle of the down thrust and he completes the down thrust but there's momentum too. There's gravity

Brian Atlasand momentum and there's like two pumps and then he pulls out. Were you graped? No. I'm just This is a [ __ ]

Kyla Turnerhypothetical. I'm just How many pumps until it's grape? Why would he continue to pump at a hole? No, but there's momentum. So like But you said two pumps. There's not momentum

Kyla Turnerto make you go back up. Like is there are you watered? There could be like like are you on a water bed? So he's like, I got to control myself. Sorry, I my dick keeps falling in. Two pumps and then he pulls out. Is this He says, "Do

Brian Atlashe goes one more?" No, no, he doesn't do that. It's just like he's processing the whole thing and he it's like rapid fire. Like it's Me personally, I'm not into the the like the the Energizer Bunny,

Brian Atlaslike the the jackhammer sex. I don't like that. But some dudes are just like like the the pumps per minute is really high. So like within the course of a second it's like three pumps. So the

Brian Atlaswoman says stop and it's like three pumps. At what point is it like is he a rapist if he three pumps and then he pulls out? He's like oh my god. Are you

Hyasinokay? What's going on? It's only rape until Oh, sorry. Oh my god. [ __ ] Why did I ask until after you vocalize that you don't want to do it anymore? No. But but so if we're looking chronologically

Brian Atlastimeline, so you're engaging. He's jackhammering. He's [ __ ] jackhammering and it's missionary. So there's gravity and momentum. Pump pump.

Brian AtlasWhat the [ __ ] is this question? So you say stop. Yeah. But he's already on the down thrust. He's on the down thrust. Like you wouldn't expect the guy

Brian Atlasto just like be be able to fully stop the thrust mid thrust. At what point is it would it be like if he does the one thrust and he's like pulls

Brian Atlasout. Oh my god, babe. Are you okay? What's going on? That's good. But was was that chronologically the thrust? He finishes the He's halfway through

Jay Dyerquestion. He's halfway through the thrust. At what point is it essay? Yeah, I'm curious everyone's answer. No, this is a serious question because if it was in a courtroom and it went to the

Jay Dyertestimony of like I was graped, right? Like you would have to detail some of the stuff and you would have to demonstrate like I said stop. There was one pump over the line. What's your

Jay Dyeranswer? What's my answer? I'm assuming we're asking the panel. Um, I would argue that there's some ambiguity here, some leeway, because in

Jay Dyerthe middle of it, you couldn't technic I'm serious. Like, you couldn't I was laughing at the chat, but you couldn't like I don't see how you could say like after number two. That's great. So, when is it though? I don't know that there's

Kyla Turnera hard answer. Like, there's a there has to be a duration of the act. So, then how do you in the court case determine if it was or wasn't essay? Like, what's the line? I you just believe her. I

SPEAKER_13guess that that's your answer. Yes, she decides. I guess what the [ __ ] Just kidding. It was a legal pump. It's a legal Is that pumping a legal term? Somebody in the chat says it was a legal

Jim Bobpump. Um um I think that would be I think that would be a scenario almost potentially impossible to uh deliberate on because of the So it have to be

Jim Bobpersistent like a persistent stop. Yeah. You need like some type of regularity in time to induct for for anything like to

Jim Bobconclude anything. Yeah. You know, like a pattern like is a single second of a transgression long enough of a of to be a pattern to recognize as like you did

Jim Bobthat. It's like almost asking like from from so if he pumps like once and gets off, you'd be like he's probably in the clear. It's almost like like if you had a split second, if you took the position

Jim Bobthat thoughts themselves could be uh immoral if you maintain them. Like if a thought lasted for like you know like milliseconds, did you have a did you

Kyla Turnerhave a bad thought? Like you know what I mean? If you if you grabbed it for two seconds like so like if he's pumping down he hears no and he's like I'm just gonna stick it out a little bit longer so I can enjoy myself. Is that is that

Jim Bobwhat you're saying is SA? Yeah. I'm not I'm not actually sure. Well, that's right. I'm not sure if if how you how do you determine it in that kind of situation? And then you said persistent. So like if she's persistently saying no,

Kyla Turneryou'd be like that's obvious essay. Like three nos to three pumps. Is that your line? Is it even? What if it if it's even? I don't know. Well, why do you So, the first time you don't have to stop,

Jay Dyerbut the second and third you may be. I think the danger, the concern is that it can conceivably be a situation where a woman could turn it into

Kyla Turnera false grape. That's the point. Yeah. But, yeah, that's why I'm I'm asking I think it's a good question. Like, at what point is it not a f false allegation? It's a legitimate

Kyla Turnerallegation. Is it three nos? Is it four? The first no. Yes. Well, he said persistent no. So, I was wondering if he meant like you need more than one to affirm that it is a true no or something

Brian Atlaslike that. People in the chat are saying once she says stop, you stop. I 100% agree with that. But the reality in the scenario, there would be gravity and

Brian Atlasthere would be momentum. So, it's like if a woman says stop mid thrust, let's not for okay, let's ignore like thrust

Brian Atlastwo and three. mid thrust, you have gravity and momentum going. What if the guy does doesn't have the physical

Brian Atlasstrength to literally essentially do like a reverse plank despite the existing momentum that has occurred. No, I I that guy shouldn't be having sex. That's a that's a weak ass. We're

Jim Bobmissing something very simple here and clear is that the for communication to be verified uh the one speaking needs a

Jim Bobresponse from the the person who you're speaking to. So she says no. So then you'd have to know that you you'd have to know that he heard you say no. That's

Jim Boba necessary component that we're missing. Now, only after she knows that he heard Yeah. that then from that point on, that's where you start counting seconds for thrusting, Brian. And how do

Kyla Turneryou tell if the guy like the the bad thought, right? The guy who hears the no, he processes it, but then he's like, I didn't really hear no. Like, how do you gauge if that's Yeah, that'd be wrong. We would agree it' be wrong. How

Jim Bobdo you happen for the woman? It's going to be in the woman's hands to make sure. Did you hear me? That's where the communication has to go both. It's like this. You know how easy it is to write someone an email and be like, I wrote

Jim Bobyou an email. But if you didn't get the response that they got the email, you can't really hold them to that you wrote them the email. You have to know they respond. That's why communication you should always call people directly so

Kyla Turnertheir voice. Yeah. Similar like that. So with if she says no and he doesn't stop and she doesn't follow up, then it's never really essay. It could not be if because there's no verification of

Jim Bobcommunication. He could have thought that he she said oh like you know what I mean like there's a matter there's so many ways to interpret sounds you know

Kyla Turnerand so u but also she would conceivably be pushing so that what if she what if she freezes like she stops engaging because a lot of women will claim that they froze right which is why they

Jim Bobdidn't push away or verbalize anything again I mean I think there should just be a kind of standard if you could like if you knew like the the ultimate parish parachute pole is like just like clawing

Brian Atlasat the guy basically. Maybe we can get the the women to weigh in though. If you were having sex with a guy and he was on top, whatever, and he he was going to pound

Brian Atlastown and uh the the pumps per minute are really high. I want to say 100 120 pumps per minute. That's two pumps a

Brian Atlassecond. And uh you you you love this guy. This guy's great. uh all you know the the sex is consensual whatever but I don't know maybe you're like in physical pain and you just say oh stop stop and

Brian Atlasthen like at two pumps happen this is such a dumb question I don't know two pumps because of speed and momentum and gravity like you would

Brian Atlasbe like would you feel like that would be okay right two pumps yeah I wouldn't consider that I can't believe I'm having this conversation two pumps Really? I wouldn't consider that a You wouldn't

Brian Atlasconsider it? Yeah. I'd feel like if he like stops within the first two seconds, he's in the clear. Okay, got it. Me personally, in my head, cuz there's like processing time. What if he's like you

Brian Atlasgot pro you got you're processing too? But like cuz cuz chronologically though, like wouldn't you couldn't you conceivably make a legal case of like,

Kyla Turnerokay, chronologically you you said stop. I don't know if they're going to be going off of pump counts. So, I think they're right. They'd have to call it something. There's got to be a metric. Yeah, but they're probably going to be looking more at like his reaction immediately to it. Like, is it clear

Kyla Turnerthat he heard it and did he aim to try to stop like in any human reasonable he stops within like two two seconds, right? Then I think most courts would probably feel fine with that, right? I think we've kind of already answered that, but like nobody nobody in the

Jim Bobcourt would be like, well, 1.5. Well, no. The question is like you got to ask the in reverse. You got to say what's the longest amount of time that's permitted for it to be considered stopping. I guess I guess I would throw

Kyla Turnerit back to you. I'm not really sure what longest cuz if two is everyone agrees two is I don't think anyone agreed to pump specifically right about two seconds time. We're about seven 7

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Hyasintattoos done or So, when's the last time you got a tattoo? Uh, last year. And it was in commemoration of someone who passed. But when when did you get the neck piece? Uh, three years ago, I think. Three years ago. Okay. What's the

Jim Bobfirst one you would remove if you had the time and the money and the ability to withstand the pain of the laser? The visible ones for sure. Do you have any face tats?

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Brian Atlasbed your hair. Yeah. I'm an idiot. Okay. Um like do you have BPD or anything like that? Bipolar. I am No. I Any BPDers at

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Brian Atlassunburn, though. I mean, it's red. It's crazy. Um, okay. F probably the f one of the final things that we're going to touch on here. Uh Charlie and Kelly,

Brian Atlasuh you guys circled the following to which you agree. Men are more privileged in society than women. Uh I simply ask how starting with Kelly.

Kelly VargasAnd this is in general, right? Not just in the US because I know there was one that was like about the US. Uh yeah, let's just stick it to stick to US or

Kelly VargasWestern countries, I guess. Um I for me, I think it just comes down to uh like we do have equality. Um it's just a lot to do with like the

Kelly Vargassocial pressure and the idea of like I'm a woman. Like I'm in the music industry and I'm put into constant question if like if I'm good enough and a male counterpoint can be doing what I'm doing

Kelly Vargasor half as much and they're being praised for what they're doing. And to me it's it's difficult. It's frustrating. A lot of women have spoken about it. Um a lot of women also in the industry tend to be put into

Kelly Vargasuncomfortable situations to be able to advance in their careers. Um whether it's sexually or just just in general um harassment. Yeah, that happens. Yeah. So, casting couch. Yep. Um, but so you

Brian Atlassaid casting couch. Well, it's like in the Hollywood entertainment industry there the casting couch like oh uh what was the guy the Harvey? Yeah. He was like uh I'll give you this really

Brian Atlasgood role in the Tarantino flick if you do some you know whatever that. Yeah. So that's definitely disgusting. Definitely happens also in the music industry. Um but I'm a bit when it comes to privilege

Brian Atlasright. though uh you say men are more privileged in society than women. I at least when it as it relates to the music industry, Taylor Swift is one of the high I think is the highest earning

Brian Atlasmusical artist. There's plenty of women who end up being incredibly successful in the music industry. Um I I don't I kind of fail to see how uh men are more privileged in society as

Kelly Vargasit relates to the music. Taylor Swift Taylor Swift even has a song called If I I think it was like if I was a man. Um, and she writes in the song that she has overcome a lot of obstacles as a woman. She's been questioned. She's been um,

Kelly Vargaslooked down upon just for simply being a woman. And in the chorus, she says, "But if I was a man, it wouldn't be the case." Um, I mean, she's the apex of the music industry. So, I'm just Well, I

Kelly Vargasmean, she's got she's worked hard and she is successful and widely successful, but she's bringing up a lot of points about women still overcoming a lot of obstacles in these big industries. In this case, being in the music

Kelly Vargasindustry, there's a lot of double standards. There's a lot of uh questioning. Where's the privilege, though? Men don't have to really go through that. Go through what? Double standards. Being questioned if they're

Kelly Vargasgood enough. No, I I just said in big industries, not just the music industry. In any industry, I feel like a lot of there's a lot of double standards for

Brian Atlaswomen that men don't have to overcome. I would be willing to grant that women have unique experiences when it comes to moving through the business world or various industries whether it's the

Brian Atlasmusic industry, entertainment industry that are perhaps again unique to women. But this it's kind of just there's so many successful women in

Brian Atlasthese industries. You look at Taylor Swift, she is the apex of the music industry. She's the highest earning. She's incredibly successful. You look at other women. I actually think perhaps uh if I look, I'm not an expert in the

Kelly Vargasmusic industry, but women are doing remarkably well in the music industry. Yeah, they are. So, I just don't understand this. Like, but still, does that take away the the fact that we have to overcome double standards? We have to

Jay Dyerwork twice as hard as our male counterpoints. I'm not sure if you have to work twice as hard as what do you mean by working twice as hard or just like double standards? Well, you said

Kelly Vargasthat you work twice as hard as a man in that industry. How do you know that or show that? Well, a lot of the times we're objectified. Um, we're taught to you have to look a certain way, act a

Kelly Vargascertain way, you have to be sexy, you have to, you know, show skin to be able to sell. And I feel like, do men have to overcome that? Do they have to objectify themselves to be able to market

Jay Dyerthemselves as a an artist? I mean, in entertainment, any person trying to come up in entertainment is going to get made fun of. They're going to get ridiculed. They're going to have to go through all the same struggles. So, this doesn't

Kelly Vargasprove privilege. That's what I understand. Where's the privilege here? Privilege to me is the fact that you don't even have to go through what we have to go through. But we go through

Jay Dyerthe same ridicule, the same struggle to be successful, to be entertainers. Not all might get jered if I do bad at a performance. But the examples that I

Kelly Vargasjust gave like object uh sexual object uh sorry sexual objectification um is that similar to what you guys are going through? Like I don't think it's as much as women go through.

Kelly VargasSo the only thing that proves privilege is that I'm not sexually objectified. Well, that was one of the points that I gave. That's one of one of the points that I gave. I think you should say more in the music industry, not just like pop stars. Like I get it like not a lot of

Kelly Vargasus are, you know, aren't at that caliber of Taylor Swift doesn't mean that just because we're not at that fan base. We're not going through um the struggles that any person in that industry is

Kelly Vargasgoing through. My idea of privilege is women at the end of the day, they are being object objectified. They're being um told that they have to look a certain

Kelly Vargasway, act a certain way. Um people in upper management, if you don't should they try to look attractive in those positions? Well, it's like sex cells. It's always like that. It's always like sex cells, but you So, you support that

Kelly Vargasor you don't like that? I support it if that's what you want. I'm not saying it's bad, but I don't I don't think it should be shoved down our throat so much as it is. Did Did anybody force you to dress the way that you're dressed

Brian Atlascurrently? No. And then I mean, do you uh post like revealing photos on your Instagram or do anything like that? I do. I I don't find that being a wrong. Yeah. Are you are you like forced to do that? How are you objectified if you're supporting that? When there's people

Kelly Vargaspressuring you, that's different from free will. Like if I'm just feeling myself and I'm posting myself in revealing clothes because I want to, it's not the same as if somebody was like a manager. Hey Kelly, I think you

Jim Bobwould sell more records if you were to show more skin. But pressuring doesn't violate your free will. Your free will actually disproves like that pressuring can have an effect. Like pressuring can affect

Jim Bobyou, but your free will can actually overcome pressuring, right? Say that one more time. Say like you you still have your free will to overcome pressuring, right? So you're saying there's a pressure in the industry that tells you

Kelly Vargasto sell your sex, like sell your sexuality, show more skin. It's going to help you help you in the game, right? Uh a lot of times we don't have choices. There's a documentary that just came out for Koji. She's a uh probably like the

Brian AtlasTaylor Swift version of the Hispanic. Who the [ __ ] is that guy? Hispanic community. Carol G. Tylo Carol Gro. Really quick, really quick question. Are do you are you signed to a record label

Kelly Vargasor are you independent? Independent. So who is telling you to do the objectifying behaviors? So I'm not saying it's me. I see it in the community. I have gone through that. Um

Kelly Vargasbut I'm talking as a world like a world. You're talking the the zygeist. I have everyone that my network I've heard it through yeah the culture my what about this? So there's a

Kelly Vargasdocumentary that demonstrates what's happening. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So she um is uh she mentioned that when she first started off she signed over with a manager that she was 16 at the time. He was probably around 50. He said to her

Kelly Vargasif you want I have so many plans for you to become a pop star but in order for that to happen you have to be with me. Um I'm sexually attracted to you and that's a predator. But if that doesn't occur, then you know your music industry

Brian Atlasis not going to happen. There's no yes or no to that. I don't think we dispute that these things absolutely do happen, especially in the entertainment and music industry. But uh wait, there's no yes or no to that? What do you mean by

Jim Bobthat? I I feel like if Who's guiding this 16-year-old? She was alone. She was uh she moved alone to I'm not denying that's predatory. Like that's disgusting. someone that's like someone

Jim Bobliterally seeking out a weaker person. But um it brings into question like what is a 16-year-old doing in that scenario where like without like you're like

Jim Bobwho's the guiding like if this if this industry is so horrific. It seems like you would want more guidance and oversight with with situations like that. Of course. I mean she was in a room alone. She could have told her parents. She decided not to. There's so

Kelly Vargasmany like gray areas, middle grounds. Um, some people just don't feel comfortable talking about that. She even said it in the documentary. She was like, "I'm really uncomfortable even bringing this up because this could like ru like ruin numbers." Um, and she

Brian Atlasdoesn't want to risk it, you know. But this, you know, this thing also happens. Uh, there are plenty of like uh especially boys who were like child actors who are victimized in just the same way in the entertainment industry.

Brian AtlasThere's like countless and countless examples of men. Uh, and isn't there something going on with Justin Bieber right now? I don't know the details of it. Aren't they uh look, I don't know, but he was wasn't

Brian Atlashe like when he got into the industry some stuff with Diddy? I don't know the details, but uh it doesn't seem like this is a uniquely uh female thing, but uh just to move it along a little bit,

Brian Atlasuh besides the music industry thing, uh men, you say men are more privileged in society than women. Anything else besides No, I would say just just the music stuff. going to you uh men are you

Charlie Campbellsay men are more privileged in society than women. Why is that? When I circled yes, the first thing that came to mind is how when a male walks into a hospital

Charlie Campbelland he's a patient, he's taken way more seriously than a woman and I see that firsthand. That's it. That was just that was my psyche behind it. What do you mean that's you're saying that's been

Charlie Campbellyour experience? No, that I've seen that happen. Oh, cuz you're a paramedic. um EMT. But yeah, I've seen that happen to where like a man will say like things that aren't normal with him and then the

Charlie Campbelldoctors are be like, "Let's do the full scan. Let's like let's do a head to toe on you." But like when a woman says something like that, it's kind of like a broken arm syndrome. Just a couple clarifying questions here. You're EMS?

Brian AtlasYeah, I'm an EMT. You're an EMT. And then uh have you seen this new It's a really actually a decent show even though it's kind of woke. Uh The Pit. Have you seen it? I've never heard of

Charlie Campbellit. Uh EMS though. Um and you so you drop people off at the emergency room. Um not with the job I currently do. I Where would you drop them off? Well, you

Charlie Campbellsaid you were EMS. So you'd be transporting in my past in my So there's two types of EMTs. There's EMT. Yeah. There's um non-emergency EMTs. They do like the like taking grandma to like dialysis like the You were doing

Brian Atlasemergency, right? In the past. Yes. Currently at my job right now. Is that the emergency EMS thing? That's where you witnessed these men being taken more seriously than the women. I don't think

Charlie Campbellit's necessarily like, oh, like it's not overt like, oh, you're a man. I'm taking you seriously. It's more like if a guy says this and this and this and this is wrong with me. A doctor's going to be like, let's do the whole thing. Let's do

Brian Atlasthe whole nine yards. But you said you witnessed it in your own field of occupation. Yes, I have. But when it comes to EMS, uh, typically when you, well, I guess if you're emergency

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