For The PERFECT Man, She WILL NOT Take His Last Name/Quit Her Job?! Jay Dyer! JB! | Dating Talk #242

Date: 2025-05-12

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSophia (OF LA)>

CCharlie Campbell >

KKelly Vargas >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Kelly Vargas(guest)

SPEAKER_04Charlie Campbell(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kyla Turner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Hyasin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sophia (OF LA)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jay Dyer(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jim Bob(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lexi (Baker)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentSophia: ex con-artist stole SSN, spent $20K+, faked stalking emails

Key MomentJay Dyer vs Kyla Turner erupts: 32 interruptions vs 7. Brian asks them to say one nice thing.

ControversyKelly refuses to take man's last name even for trillionaire. Extended double-standard debate.

Key MomentJay challenges Kyla to name philosophy books; she can't recall titles but discusses content of 5 Plato dialogues

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Hyasin, Kyla Turner, Lexi, Sophia, Charlie, Kelly, Jim Bob, Jay Dyer.

Sophia Con-Artist Ex

Ex sent fake stalking emails, stole SSN, spent $20K+, hacked socials.

Jay Dyer vs Kyla Turner Philosophy Debate

Extended debate spanning 2 episodes: feminism, patriarchy, relativism, Agrippa's Trilemma, Kant, Plato, Nietzsche. Chat counts Jay 32 interruptions vs Kyla 7.

Last Name Debate

Kelly refuses to take husband's name even for perfect trillionaire. Central double-standard flashpoint.

Body Count Round

Charlie: 13 (7M, 6W). Other guests decline.

Bear vs Man

Sophia and Hyasin choose bear citing SA experiences.

Transcript

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Hyasinoccupation, where you're from, and education. Go ahead. I'm Hyas. I'm 28 and I'm from Ohio. And I'm a painter. I'm an artist. Painter. Okay. And any education, college, anything like that?

HyasinUh, no. I did graduate early, but from high school. Yeah. I took the time off. And you said you paint? Yeah. You're a painter. Uhhuh. Okay. Uh, pastel, what's

Brian Atlasyour No, I do medium or whatever it's called. Oil based paint. Oilbased. Dope. Uh, have you ever done any sort of Do you do like content creation or anything like that? Sometimes. Um, I'm

Hyasinnot really on social media that hard when it comes to that. I do like murals and I get like casted. Yeah. For that. So, like what you said you're a painter. As your like as your occupation or just

Hyasina hobby. It started cuz I wanted to do tattoo art and then I kind of didn't want to sit there for eight hours and you can erase it. So, at least this way you can kind of paint over it, you know.

HyasinAnd is that uh how you make money? Mhm. That's like your full-time career. Uh I model sometimes, but just like avantguard modeling, so like I don't

Brian Atlasknow. Nothing specific. No brands. Okay. Yeah. And you live where? I live in LA. You live in LA? Mhm. And you do you

Hyasinsurvive off of painting? I do. I sell like uh I can do one for like 1,200. All right. Yeah. So, you sell drugs, is that you're a drug dealer? No. Okay. So,

Brian Atlasthat's your You don't have any other income stream? Uh, I was in a relationship for a long time. So, Okay. Oh, you did you just recently break up? Uh, or wait, is that somebody who eight months ago? Oh, that's you. Okay. Sorry.

Brian AtlasSomebody else just like broke up a week ago. Okay. All right. Uh, so you were like living with him and he was Yeah, I was Sugar Daddy. No. Oh, sorry. No, no, no. My bad. I've worked on like Mel Rose before and stuff and I'm And how how

Hyasinlong has painting been your full-time career or job? Uh, seriously, over the last two years, but other than that, um, it was just kind of a hobby. It's still

Kyla Turnera hobby. Okay. All right. What about you? Uh, yeah. My name is Kyla Turner. You can find me online at notstoerite everywhere. I'm 31. Uh, my job is this.

Kyla TurnerI do content creation full-time. came and by content creation I realized the space that I'm in I mean like political commentary um and kind of sociopolitical commentary. Uh I am from where am I

Kyla Turnerfrom? I live in Tampa area now but I'm originally from Canada and my education I've got a honors undergrad in psychology and a degree in psychometrics a graduate diploma.

Brian AtlasAll right. And you said you're from Canada originally? Originally. Yeah. Okay. Got it. And you're but you're now you're living in Florida. All right. Cool. What about you? Um, my name is

Lexi (Baker)Lexi. I'm 21, about to be 22. Um, I live in Westminster, California, and I work in a baking studio. All right. Uh, any college or anything like that? No, just high school. Just high school. Okay. And

Sophia (OF LA)you work in a baking studio, you said? Okay. Gotcha. All right. Welcome. What about you? Um, hi, I'm Sophia. I'm 24. I do social media and Only Fans. Only Fans

Sophia (OF LA)mostly. And I live in LA, but originally from Washington State. All right. And And I also graduated high school early. No college. No college. And uh how long

Brian Atlashave you been in Los Angeles? Since January. So four or five months. And when did you start your OF? Uh two years ago. Two years ago. Okay. Gotcha. Did you move to Los Angeles to kind of uh

Sophia (OF LA)for professional or career purposes? Like it's a better spot to career. I was in San Diego. Oh, you're in San Diego before? I'm from Washington State. Okay. After high school, I went to Hawaii,

Sophia (OF LA)then San Diego, now I'm in LA. Got it. I was driving back and forth between San Diego and LA constantly, so I moved up here. All right, cool. Uh, what about

Charlie Campbellyou? I'm Charlie Campbell. I'm from Los Angeles. I have a degree in anthropology from the University of Central Florida.

Charlie CampbellUh, I'm 25 and for a living, I'm an EMT and a little bit of an actress. Okay. Traditional acting, not adult content. Got it. Okay. 25. And uh are you in the

Brian AtlasI think maybe I'm thinking of somebody else. Are you in the military or I am. Yes. What branch of the military? US Army. US Army. Okay. National Guard. Are you enlisted or uh officer? I'm

Charlie Campbellenlisted. Okay. Any uh I work in field artillery. Field artillery. And I might have missed this. Any uh college or no? Yeah. Um, I majored in my bachelor's in anthropology with a minor in

Brian Atlaslinguistics. Bachelor of Arts. Yeah. With a Okay. Got it. Linguistics. Got it. Okay. All right. And um, what rank are you in the US Army? Oh, jeez. What's

Kelly Vargasyour Dang, you want my whole life story? Um, I guess I'm an E5. E5. Okay. Got it. All right. Cool. What about you? Hi, my

Kelly Vargasname is Kelly Vargas. I'm originally from Long Island, New York. Currently live in LA. I'm 28 years old and I'm a singer songwriter. I went to um Berkeley College of Music for a bachelor's in

Brian Atlasmusic. Gotcha. And you said you're a singer. Singer songwriter. Singer songwriter. Can we get a little ac capella or crazy? I mean, anything or uh

Brian Atlasyou said you do your own like you write your own music. Yeah. Uh yeah. Give us one of your originals, I guess. Maybe like not the whole thing, like 30 seconds or

SPEAKER_02something. I can't break free. Won't you let me drown in my

SPEAKER_02own tire? It just makes me wonder why I'm a disguise and you don't mind. All right.

Brian AtlasThank you very much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Good. Great. Whatever now owns that. Um, wait. So, for uh education, you said you went to Berkeley School of Music in

Brian AtlasBoston. Yeah. Into the mic if you can. In Boston. Okay. Just keep an eye on mics for me because I can't really if somebody just shouted out for me. Um, go ahead. My name is Jim Bob. I'm a political cartoonist. You can find my

Jim Bobcomics at Made by Jim Bob on Instagram. I'm also a live streamer at Made byJim Bob at YouTube. Uh, age. Did you say age? 44. 44. All right. Welcome. Welcome. Uh, Jay, what about you? Uh,

Jay Dyeryeah. Jay Dyer. I do comedy. I do uh media. I do geopolitical analysis. Host the Alex Jones show for the last 5 years. Uh, write for the Sam Hyde show.

Jay DyerUh, and I'm a YouTuber and, uh, I'm 46. 46. All right. And then, uh, education. I did undergrad in philosophy, uh, in Kentucky. And then my grad work is

Brian Atlaspsychological warfare and literature. Uh, was that at a university? Yeah. Murray State. Got it. Okay. Is that English? I didn't White English. Is that a Was your masters of arts in English?

Jay DyerIt's English and philosophy degree. Philosophy cognate. What you said? Uh, the psychological warfare? Yeah. My my focus in grad work was on psychological warfare and media. What and um so are

Jay Dyeryou an expert in psychological warfare? I don't know about expert but but you're you've studied it studied it. Yeah, I'm published on that in peer review. Tell us how do you do psychological warfare?

Jay DyerCan you tell us that? Um well I study how do you do it? I study the way that James Bond was used in the cold war as a symbol for western like geopolitics,

Jay Dyerwestern liberal economic theory. So you can use fictional characters as a way to do uh culture war. Okay, got it. So like psychological warfare through media.

Brian AtlasYes. Okay, interesting. Fiction, movies, etc. Okay, got it. Got three books on Hollywood. Do you think like um like Titanic was psychological warfare? Um, sometimes the blockbusters are, but

Jay DyerI don't I don't think Titanic. What about Taylor Swift? Taylor Swift. Well, NATO said they wanted to use Taylor Swift for SCOPS, so maybe. What about Top Gun? Top Gun actually was. Yeah,

Brian Atlasthere was money Reagan put money into military recruitment using Top Gun. So, yes, correct. There you go. Rock and roll. What's like the number one film if you if you had to maybe not the number one if you had to point to a film that

Jay Dyerthat was used as psychological warfare what what do you think it would be? Probably the best example what I focused on was the James Bond franchise as a whole. It's like the best example and it

Brian Atlaswas explicitly done for that purpose. Got it. Okay, cool. Well, welcome everybody. We're going to go around the table once more. So, what's everybody's current relationship status? If you're single, how long have you been single?

HyasinAnd what's the longest relationship you've ever been in? Go ahead. Um, I've been single since December. And the longest relationship that I've been in is a year and a half. All right. So,

Brian Atlasyou've been single for about 6 months? Yeah. Longest year and a half. Was uh that the one that ended 6 months ago? Uh, yes. Okay. Who broke up with who?

Brian AtlasUh, I broke up with him. You broke up with him. All right. And then have you been uh has there been a rebound? No. No rebound? No. You've been just totally

Kyla Turnersingle for 6 months. Okay. And uh All right. What about you? Uh married for seven years, dated for a year and a half

Brian Atlasbefore that. He's my guy. So together total like eight and a half years. All right. Uh longest relationship prior to him? I mean we got married when I was

Brian Atlaslike 24. So him yeah he's Have you had other relationships or Yeah, but they were I don't think any of them were not serious. Okay. And how did you guys

Kyla Turnermeet? It's very cringely wholesome. We both worked at a nonprofit high-risk kids youth camp. Okay. All right. Rock

Lexi (Baker)and roll. What about you? Um I'm single. Um as of I guess timeline's a little confusing. I'd say like February probably. Um, what do you mean it's confusing? Like were you we I mean I

Lexi (Baker)don't want to go like you don't remember it. Go all into it now. I can save time for but um we both entered the relationship as like spiritual and then he is in a Muslim family. I'm in a

Lexi (Baker)Christian family. We both went back to our religions and um it's about like a year and a half in. He just wanted to be Muslim again. And then we kind of had a

Lexi (Baker)companionship for like a year and a half and it was really confusing. So, we've like still been in contact with each other, but we're not really romantically

Lexi (Baker)involved. It's really When's the last time you spoke to him? Um, like recently. Um, like probably like a week ago, but it was just over some things we have to figure out still. When was the

Lexi (Baker)last When's the last time you saw him in person? Um, it's probably been like a month I would say, but it was just again trying to figure figure what like things loose ends. We were like living together and stuff like that. So, just kind of

Lexi (Baker)like financial stuff. Yeah. Stuff like that basically. Yeah. It's really confusing. So, you guys split up in February, so about 4 months ago. Yeah. I had someone come move in with me temporarily, so he left and then we kind

Brian Atlasof just Okay. Yeah. But you ever since the uh I guess the breakup four month or in February, there's not been any I've been talking to people. I went on dating

Lexi (Baker)apps. That's it. No, but like with him. Yeah. Oh, with him. Oh, I'm so sorry. Has there been carnal knowledge? No, no, no, no. There wasn't for a year. The last year and a half was kind of what I'm getting at. Like we were not romantically involved. It was like a

Brian Atlascompanionship. It's very strange. And how long were you guys together? Three years. Three years. So this is longest longest relationship. Yes. Okay. So when you first met you guys were spiritual. Then you got more in touch with your

Lexi (Baker)Christianity. He got more in touch with Islam. Uh did you try to convert each other? So we were really respectful of each other's religions, but I think the hope was maybe one of us would

Lexi (Baker)eventually. Well, that's a dating show. Try to convert each other. Oh yeah. Seriously, it's a it's a rough one. But yeah, it didn't work. So yeah. So now we just let it be what it is. Yeah. And you said though since you guys have broken

Lexi (Baker)up, you've you have been dating other people. Yeah. I've gone on some dates and talked to a few people. Um. Yeah. When's the last time you went on a date? Um, it was a week ago. All right. Was it the first date, second date? Third date?

Lexi (Baker)First date. First date. All right. And so do you have a roster currently? I do not. No. I'm not I don't like I haven't liked any of them. They're all really weird. They're all weird. They're so

Lexi (Baker)weird. I don't Are you weird? Maybe. I think I'm attracting weird people. Okay. All right. And uh what what makes them weird, I guess? Um well, it's kind of a

Lexi (Baker)lot of them have been kind of like almost meeting a lot of men who are like kind of want to be like passenger princess. Like they're kind of almost feminine and it's kind of it's strange. And they've also like two of them were

Lexi (Baker)like shorter than I thought they would be. And I'm talking like like an inch shorter than me and I didn't expect that. How tall are you? I'm 5'6. Okay. And I'm okay with like my height, but it was like shorter than me and I didn't

Lexi (Baker)know that and it was just really weird and awkward. So, yeah. I don't know. How uh how were you meeting these guys? Dating apps. Yeah. Okay. Unfortunately. So, they were lying on their dating profiles. Yeah. Or they just didn't they didn't put it. Yeah. Or they didn't show

Brian Atlasit. Got it. Okay. Um can I just have you scoot your microphone that way or sorry, that way? Yep. All right. What about you? Uh recently single. Recently single. Okay. Like a week ago. I'm talking a week ago. One week. Okay.

Sophia (OF LA)Yeah, it's fresh. Uh, how long were you dating the guy? Uh, 4 months. Like basically since I moved to LA. All right. Who broke up with who? Um, I broke up with him. Why?

Sophia (OF LA)Over a lot of things. We tend to argue a little bit, but we just didn't have the same preferences, meaning sexual preferences. Oh, was he? It just wasn't aligning. He

Sophia (OF LA)gay. He was gay. No, I think I just wanted more than what I was receiving. Oh, so you Wait, you had a high sex drive and he had a low sex drive? No, sex drive was fine. I think um

Sophia (OF LA)preferences wise like you wanted to peg him? No, I think I just I really like it like rough like beat the [ __ ] out of me rough like it's like and he just wasn't

Brian Atlascomfortable with that and I don't think it was Wait, you So there Well, there's so there's different levels of rough. You're saying there's rough, then there's beat the [ __ ] out of you rough. There's catch a case rough. I'm talking

SPEAKER_13like a cute little black guy rough. Like wait, sorry. Repeat that. Wait, what? Wait. Cute. I'm sweating. Is that a reference? I don't know. The black guy.

Kyla TurnerCute little black guy. Oh, I thought you said black guy. Oh no. Everyone heard cute little black guy. I guess they could be a little black guy. Okay. No, no, no. Cute little black eye. like a

Sophia (OF LA)little like you know a little choke like lot lots of choking a little slap and maybe like you know leave a mark here and there. Is that what you wanted to do to him? No, I wanted that done to me and he

Sophia (OF LA)wasn't comfortable which hey I I totally get it like that can you know turn into other things but yes that's what I like. I don't know. So it just wasn't mixing. I mean you can't live your life forever

Brian Atlasnot doing what you want to do. Yeah. Uh, so essentially he just wasn't willing to do

Brian Atlasthat enough. Yeah. And Okay. All right. Was he otherwise great? Yeah, he's pretty cool. Oh, okay. He was okay. So,

Brian Atlasjust wasn't hurting you enough. And so, that was the Just wasn't a criminal. Just wasn't willing to I guess so. Yeah. To Okay. All right. You know, look, I guess people have

Brian Atlastheir uh you know, uh maybe we you know what? I want to get into that a little bit. Not once, not well, not into that, but I mean, I want

Brian Atlasto discuss it. Uh let's So, are are you uh is this like a BDSM thing or you just enjoy rough? Yeah, I wouldn't say I put

Sophia (OF LA)like a BDSM BD BDSM label on it. Um I guess it's just what I prefer. I don't know. Maybe it's the corn I

Brian Atlaswatch. I don't know. Maybe I'm ruined. Okay. And uh this was your longest ord what what was your longest relationship? A year and a half. Year and a half. Okay. Got it. Who broke up with you in

Charlie Campbellthat relationship? Um I left him. Got it. Okay. What about you? Um, I'm currently engaged and it's long

Charlie Campbelldistance and uh we've been together for about two years now and I don't know. Okay. Uh, have has it always been long

Charlie Campbelldistance? Um, not entirely. When we first met, I was actually working at a prison in Florida and she was working at an Air Force base in uh, also Florida and that's when we started talking and

Brian Atlasdating. Are you a lesbian? I'm bisexual. Bisexual. Okay. Um, so, okay. Engaged for and you've

Charlie Campbellbeen seeing each other for 2 years. Yeah. Okay. A little over two years, but yeah, she currently lives in Washington DC and I live in LA. Okay. I know. But like, no, we we fly

Charlie Campbellout and see each other like every month. So it's like if it's long distance, but like honestly not really since we see each other for like six or seven days a month out of the month. So it's like

Brian AtlasAll right, cool. Um complicated. Is this your longest relationship? It is. And it's also my healthiest. All right. And you said two

Kelly Vargasyears together? Yes. All right. Cool. What about you? I'm currently single and not counting situationships, it's been about like six years, I think,

Brian Atlassince I've been in a committed relationship. Okay. There were there have been some situationships. The longest relationship? Um about a year. All right. One

Brian Atlasyear. Uh how many in the past six years that you've been single? How many situationships have you had? A lot. Uh define what what's a lot. Um more than

Kelly Vargasenough, I would say. too many people that just Oh my god. I um I mean I would say maybe like over 10

Brian Atlasif you want a number. Over 10. Sure. And uh how long do they typically last? Short term like 3 months max. Couple months. Okay. Four. Uh are you currently

Kelly Vargasin a situationship? No. I just got out of one a couple months ago. Couple months ago. Okay. Are there any guys in the picture currently? No. No guys? Nope. Are you on dating apps? I am. Um on and off. I have like a hate

Kelly Vargasrelationship with it. Love hate. Love hate. Okay. Uh so no guys in the picture though. No. Not even texting. You don't have a sneaky link? Nothing. No. I mean I am like going on dates. First dates.

Jim BobThey're just not sticking on both ends. Not sticking. Okay. All right. Got it. Jim Bob, what about you? Uh nine years with my wife. Uh happy Mother's Day, Megan. Uh, let's

SPEAKER_13get some W's for all the mothers in the chat. Happy Mother's Day. W's and uh definitely the longest relationship. All right, Jay, what about what about you? Uh, married for 5 years and we dated for

Jay Dyerabout four before that. So, I've been with Jamie for the past nine years. And, uh, yeah. Uh, do you have any kids, Jay? We do not have kids. No. And Jim Bomb, do you have you have three kids? Anybody? Kids? Kids? Okay. Are you going

Brian Atlasto have Could you imagine if I announced my pregnancy like right now? I'm not pregnant, but you should. I'm I'm not pregnant. I could lie for you. One on the way. Give us the exclusive when you are pregnant, I guess. Um we'll see. We'll we'll negotiate a price. Love it.

Brian AtlasAll right. Uh that's everybody's relationship status. Really quickly, I'm just going to pull up. We have a chat coming through. We have ID bro. This is

Brian Atlasrelated to the debate from yesterday. Aerodite is wrong. Flowers were Oh, somehow. Okay. Jews were patrineal until

Brian Atlasaround 29 to 4 B.CE. The change was made by Hal and the Sanhedrin. Did I say that right? Due to the issue of Jewish identity of Roman

Kyla Turnerlove babies. Love babies political issues with Herod's kids. Okay. So, he's basically saying there was a time when Jewish people were match patrineal and then like basically for the rest of their history they've been matrinal. So, I'm not really sure why that's a

Brian Atlascorrection, but thanks buddy. That's like more nuance. Appreciate it. Rock and roll. And he's right. I don't know. Yo, Thomas, thank for the $2 on Cash App. If you guys want to support, you can do so. Uh, Venmo, Cash App, whatever

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Brian Atlasyeah, so we're going to just jump. Actually, before we jump into the show notes, uh, I wanted to touch back on that thing really quick. Is it so uh

Brian AtlasJay, are you uh you're an Orthodox Christian? Is it okay to do that [ __ ] if you're a Christian or especially an

Jay DyerOrthodox Christian? Jim Bob Jay, can you do I mean I think there's levity. There's room for you know things between a husband and a wife. So there are some

Jay Dyerlines. I don't know that there's an easy hard set line as to what that is that maybe a husband and wife have to determine, but I do think that there might be a danger in the situ I'm not

Jay Dyersaying this about you, but like there could be a situation where like if you requested that like that could put the dude in a legal situation. You know what I mean? Like not that you would necessarily do that, but you might say,

Jay Dyer"Oh, look." You know, if you guys have a fight, right? Like look what he did to me. So, it's just like I think there's a lot of reasons and ways why it's just not safe for a dude necessarily to get

Jim Bobinto that. Um, and I would say that yeah, like from a religious perspective, it's odd. I don't know. I would add that uh if that type of thing

Jim Bobcontinued, let's say you got married and you had children, it would certainly be confusing for the child if they were to find out the way daddy loves mommy

Jim Bobactually is harmful. It might actually produce a scenario where the children end up seeking people to hurt them because they think that's love. Well,

Charlie CampbellI'm so sorry to interject. Um I feel like there's a way to work around that. um as in maybe have like a boundary and that's something you probably discuss with your partners like hey as long as

Charlie Campbellit's in an area that's concealable like under the collar bones it's fair game but like your face something that you have to use and see every single day maybe that can be spoken about it

Jim Bobdoesn't necessarily mean like punch me in my face you know I mean then I would say that that's actually then practicing sort of some level of deception and withhold which is another practice that

Jim Bobmight be into question Like not telling your kids your kinks is the deception. Well, I mean, if you're if you're It doesn't change the fact that your husband or the f you know, your father

Kyla Turneris harming what's definitionally harming your your mother. Do you would you though like for other kinks? Cuz this is obviously like a pretty extreme kink. What kinks are allowed in Eastern Orthodox? I actually don't know. I

Jim Bobwouldn't know what's considered a kink and what's considered just like creative vanilla sex is going to be like a kink. So, like, can you piss on each other in Eastern Orthodox? I I I I'm just going

Jim Bobto guess no. Uh I would say that would be a perversion. That's a perversion. What about oral sex? I'm not I'm not sure what uh a priest I've never had that conversation. Do you have to tell your kids about it or are you being

Jim Bobdeceptive to your kids if you don't tell them about your kink practice with your Well, I mean, you don't have to be explicit with what's considered sexuality, but what's considered sexuality would still have a standard

Jim Bobunderneath a Christian view. And then uh what's considered a perversion would also have that. But outside of Christianity, there's no such thing as perversion. Outside of so non-Christians can't do perverse things or Well, they can do it,

Jim Bobbut they don't have I'm saying their worldview. They can't tell you what's perverse, what's proper, what's normal, it's all just kind of like preference. If you feel something from something and you feel good from someone doing

Jim Bobsomething otherwise uh let's say perverse in another paradigm, you can't really say it's wrong or or right or good or bad. It's just Oh, you're saying secular people can't like weigh in on

Sophia (OF LA)what? Yeah. They can't really there's no standard there. Gotcha. I guess I'm not really thinking about children when I'm doing this. I don't really have like a future of having children. So, I guess I

Sophia (OF LA)never thought of it in that way. I can see that. Yeah, I think maybe if I did mature a little, grow up a little, maybe it wouldn't be a thing, but I have no way of

Sophia (OF LA)see foreseeing the future. Do you think you'll want kids when you get older? Maybe. I feel like I'm 24 now. That's still very young, but you know, women only have a period of time where they

Sophia (OF LA)can really decide and actually do it. Um, and as for now, my answer is no. who's going to take care of you later on in life.

Charlie CampbellI don't know. I don't really think about the future that way, I guess. Um I feel like that's kind of like I'm I'm trying to find the words.

Charlie CampbellUm I feel like that's a burden that the children didn't ask for. You know, you shouldn't have kids just because you want somebody to take care of you in your old age. Well, I didn't say that. That's the only reason. Well, no, no,

Charlie Campbellno. I know. Um and I'm not implying that. I'm just saying that in general, um, I think there should be that that shouldn't even be an expectation. Is it nice to have kids that that take care of

Jim Bobyou when you're old? Absolutely. That'd be nice, but that's not an expectation that should be set forth. I don't think I think it is a duty. Yeah, it is a duty. And also, I don't think the

Jim Bobreasoning uh using the reason, I don't think uh that's a burden a kid asked for. Well, from that logic, a kid didn't ask to be born or to be uh to have the

Jim Bobburden of learning a language properly, schooling, uh everything else you could put under that umbrella of burdenship. I don't think uh people actually uh have a say a lot of times of what their burden

Charlie Campbellis, right? And and just to respond to that is um I like for example, I do plan on taking care of my mother and I I am an EMT. Um, I drop off old people, you know, to their facilities all the time.

Charlie CampbellAnd sometimes I look at their ages and I'm like, "Wow, my mom's only like 6 years younger than that." And these people are like completely bedridden. And so, um, I do I do think like I am

Charlie Campbellgoing to take care of my mom. But just sometimes [ __ ] hits the fan and you don't have that great relationship with your parents or maybe they're crappy parents and you feel like you owe them nothing. And I and I know that that can

Jay Dyerlead into like, well, they gave you life, they raised you, they fed you, they clothed you. But a lot of times that's not even the case. Yeah. It's not a universal rule. Like there could be exceptions, but you wouldn't make the exceptions the universal rule because

Jay Dyerthere are exceptions. So I think most people's parents do provide for them and the expectation is that you would then return the favor when they get older. For sure. But there could be toxic people who are completely, you know,

Charlie Campbelldangerous or something. Um, no, for sure. And you mentioned like duty. Um, a duty according to whom I guess like for me it's like I would do it because growing up. It's like my life story.

Charlie CampbellGrowing up my mom was a janitor for three different things. Um, single mom mostly. Um, I saw my dad like every third weekend, but my mom worked basically on top of child support worked

Charlie Campbellthree jobs as a janitor for a college, a school, and a church. And she put a a lot of expectation for me to go to school. And that's why, like, for example, I joined the military so that I can get my school paid for because I didn't want to burden my mom with

Charlie Campbellprobably having to pick a fourth or fifth job just to pay my way through. And so to me, it's like genuine like, okay, I I will take care of you because you've you've raised me into the person that I am today. And so I guess to

Charlie Campbellcircle back, long story short, cake, um I guess what do what do you define as like duty? Like what's who a duty according to whom? M

Jim Bobto take well I mean I I I I get my duties from an orthodox Christian paradigm. I would say that absent that um uh just like other standards I don't

Jay Dyerthink I don't think anyone has a duty outside of that worldview. Okay. And for you I mean it's yeah I have a similar take as Jim Bob. I mean there are duties that would be informed

Jay Dyerby the worldview that you have your upbringing by your your parents. I mean, again, I think even if you have bad parents, you still probably want to return the favor to some degree. I mean, I was raised by a single mom. I had a

Jay Dyerabsentee dad, but I would still take care of my dad. He's in bad health right now. So, we try to help him out as best we can. But I mean, I think this is just an expectation that most civilizations,

Jay Dyermost cultures had until we got to modernity where you can kind of be this individual with no ties, no boundaries, no expectations, no duties. So, we're

Jim Bobliving this weird experiment that Yeah, it's it's ahistorical. It's weird. So even the current uh family structure usually it's our at least Jay and I are are uh share a worldview where you kind

Jim Bobof defend the family in in a nuclear sense but then you go wait a second even that is individualistic if you really think about it comparatively to other cultures or or historically where there

Jim Bobwas like a big generational family and now you have this unit and now inside the unit now you have even more individual units. And I think when when he says modernity like individualism,

Jim Bobuh, materialism, uh, pursuing wants and desires above all things, go live your life, do what you want to do. People are kind of drawn into a mindset basically

Jim Bobinherit a a mindset that uh that justifies just their own personal pursuits. And this is where you get into these issues of like, well, what's is there any obligation to the collective

Jim Bobat all? Um, at this point, um, it's actually hard to see, uh, for a lot of people that that that there's something beyond their own life and what they want. Is there anything? Is there

Kyla Turneranything else? That's really interesting. I'm super Are you guys then pretty opposed to capitalism? No. I mean, that's like an economic system to a degree. Like, is there what what economic system do you guys prefer?

Jim BobLike communism, like high regulation of markets? I think capitalism um can be kind of like a tool. It's like asking like if a hammer is wrong. I

Jim Bobthink capitalism itself uh and what it produces without any sort of um ethical paradigm that's guiding it is horrific. Sure. So like the reason I'm asking is you talked about like individualism and

Kyla Turnerwhatnot which is very in many ways what drives a lot of capitalism right is like individual want and whims and materialism is pretty central to especially our modern day capitalism. So you're pretty opposed to capitalism. Uh

Jim Bobit's not the opposition to capitalism itself. Like I said you can oppose a number of things if it if it doesn't have a guiding ethical principle. So, for instance, I'm not opposed to people

Jim Bobusing their god-given gifts in exchange for money or other things. That's just uh that's like an exchange of your will and your and your labor. Uh if that's

Jim Bobinside of a system you call capitalistic, um then fine. But I think Jay will add that the complexity and the implications of capitalism at a larger

Jim Bobscale is uh beyond what most people think consider uh favorable like you know what I mean like it gets to some limit. Yeah. So you guys would be for like a decent amount of government

Jay Dyerregulation to ensure like some level of ethical principle maintained by the capitalist structure. So you guys kind of want that government oversight. Obviously, you might not want that, right? Because I mean, you have tariffs.

Jay DyerUm, tariffs are a way to protect the nation state and the people that work in that nation state. One purpose. So, to get rid of I didn't say it was the only purpose. I said it's a purpose. So, you don't have to correct that because it was just a sentence. Um, you don't have

Jay Dyerto let me know cuz I know what I'm talking about. You ask me a question, I'm going to finish it. Okay. Go for So tariffs protect the workers of that nation and monarchies which were patriarchy.

Jay DyerThey can be. Yeah. They the ones in western civilization things could be they were in western civilization just like ancient Israel they were patriarchal. Mhm. Those protected the workers. So there's has to be some

Jay Dyerdegree of structure and limitation to the uh to the economy. So yes a limited economic control. And guilds were kind of cool. Oh, that's where that's the

Jay Dyerpurpose of guilds and tariffs is similar. Yeah, it's like a union. I guess similar the original purpose of unions was yes to guard against monopoly capitalism. So to answer your question,

Jay Dyermonopoly capitalism, yes, is a problem. But the basic principles of like Austrian economics, free market, have a Bitcoin shirt, no, it's not bad.

Brian AtlasOkay. All right. This all came from rough sex. Yeah. Interesting how conversations will uh meander their way to different things. Um getting into the pre-show notes, why don't we start with

Brian AtlasWe'll start with Sophia. So, you said your ex-boyfriend, is this the one you just broke up with or a different one? Okay. Ex-boyfriend scammed you. Scammed you in many ways. He made fake stalking

Brian Atlasemails to get you to move to San Diego with him. Then he got you into Only Fans and ultimately pimped you out on Only Fans and took almost all of your money.

Brian AtlasHe put an MX put an MX card under your name. Uh he stole your social security number, spent over $20,000, left you in debt, hacked all your socials and Only Fans, and continues to do it to every

Sophia (OF LA)other girl he deals with. Uh so I guess what's the story there? That's like a long long long story, but um yeah, I mean just from the beginning,

Sophia (OF LA)the whole stalking emails, I was living in Hawaii on my own. met him on Hinge when he was visiting Hawaii. Um, we did

Sophia (OF LA)long distance for maybe like a month or two. I was 19 at the time. Um, or 20, 19 or 20 at the time. Very dumb, very

Sophia (OF LA)delusional. Um, and yeah, he sent me a bunch of emails basically saying like, "I know where you live. You just walked in with your groceries. I'm going to

Sophia (OF LA)come up and, you know, essay you." All all the things. very scary, very and it was him the whole time. And I knew because after I moved in with him in San

Sophia (OF LA)Diego and all of that stuff, I went through his computer and saw all of the emails from different fake emails of him

Sophia (OF LA)emailing me from a number of emails. Um, but that ultimate ultimately got me to move from Hawaii to San Diego out of fear basically.

Sophia (OF LA)Okay. Um, but yeah, the whole getting me to do Only Fans thing, he just said that he knew how to do it. He knew how he was going to get me to make money. And I mean, I was down. I'm not saying he

Sophia (OF LA)forced me to do it. Um, but I am saying that he got me to do a lot of things that I wouldn't have done at the age that I was at or where I was at at the

Jim Bobtime. Um, wait, wouldn't have done absent what? Like if you say there's a bunch of things I did at the time that I otherwise wouldn't have done other I wouldn't have put my entire body on the

Sophia (OF LA)internet and done um the things that he had me do on video if not what is it persuasion is it persuasion yeah it's it was that and I

Sophia (OF LA)I'm like like I said like I know there'll be a huge argument over forced and persuasion and you have a choice and whatnot. Um, like I said, I was

Sophia (OF LA)delusional and I was very young and I wasn't sticking up for myself. Um, seeing as how you're not with him now, um, and this is like an honest question

Charlie Campbellthat comes from like I'm just I want to know. Um, there's no like loaded meaning. Um, do you do you choose to plan on stopping at any point? No. Like this is

Sophia (OF LA)my life now honestly. like it is what it is, but I'm a whole different person now because of it. So, like I said, I wouldn't have done those things when I was 19 and 20,

Sophia (OF LA)but I did it. And now I'm full-blown doing it. Like I didn't stop doing Only Fans when I left him because like to be fair, like the money is very good. I like working from home.

Sophia (OF LA)I like doing what I do now. And I am doing it to my extent now. I'm doing it to my comfortability now. I'm in charge. Like on your own terms basically. Yeah.

Sophia (OF LA)I wasn't I wasn't in charge in any way. Like he had my passwords. He had my everything. He sent me things to do. He made like I say he made me get on only fans

Sophia (OF LA)live because he did like he put me in the room. He shut the door. He turned the camera. Like he made me go live. And if I didn't it would have been a fight more or less. You said uh the money is

Brian Atlasreally good. Are you able to share like how much you make on average or? Um, I'm making around like 25k a month. Okay. And what's the highest you've ever made

Brian Atlasin in a month? Have you ever um 40,000 40k? Okay, cool. Uh, and then you also in your notes here, you said you wanted to speak on leaving toxic men and how to

Sophia (OF LA)know you're dating a con artist. Because I dated he was a con artist. That was the guy. 38 I think when I met 37 when I met him. His hinge profile said 30. Um

Brian Atlashe said he was six foot. I Oh, he lied about his age. Say he was sorry. His height he was maybe 56 and he said he was six foot. Mhm. When I met Oh man, you got conned. Yeah, you did get

Kyla Turnerconned. [ __ ] Why did you stay with him for the length that you did? Like what do you think kept you? I don't know honestly. And I'm not asking that in like a I'm not asking in a judgy way. genuinely curious like what he wasn't the height you wanted. He wasn't the age

Sophia (OF LA)you wanted. So like a lot of people I didn't want anything. I didn't I didn't the the I didn't want a certain age. I didn't want a certain height. I'm just saying he lied. Yeah. I'm saying he's a he he lies about everything. He lives a

Sophia (OF LA)lie. I think he had said I mean even like I probably like this kind of messed up but like his teeth and his jaw like he had the worst underbite. He had the

Sophia (OF LA)worst mouth, the worst breath, the worst everything. But he told he told me that he got into a surfing accident the first day I met him and that's why his entire

Sophia (OF LA)mouth was messed up. Later finding out that that was never a truthful thing. What What was it really? What did What was the actual born that way? Oh, just born that way. Just born with horrendous

Sophia (OF LA)teeth. I mean the the Is anybody else the breath is your fault, but that's [ __ ] disgusting. Yeah, exactly. Is anybody else at the table born this way

Kyla Turneror wait what? How did you say it? Born that way. I don't remember. There's like a disorder that some people will be born with or like their jaw is super receded. There's like a condition. Yeah. I mean, well, there's like cleft lip or clebite.

Brian AtlasYeah. Anybody else at the table was born disgenic that way? I don't know. I have I was born without a jaw, so this is actually This is actually a big jaw. Wait, really? No. No, I wasn't even

Brian Atlastalking about Jaws, just like anything. Whatever. Um, okay, cool. Uh, we're gonna go to Remind me how to pronounce your name. It's Hiasin. Hiasin. Okay. Hi. Uh, I know this on your Instagram. There's a tattoo that you have. Uh, it's

Brian Atlason your leg. It says, "Well behaved women. Really? Make excuse me, rarely make history." Uh, two questions. Are you well behaved?

HyasinI am. I'm a poser. And then secondly, have you made history? Um, no I haven't. So I guess I'm doing it all wrong. Your your tattoo is very contradictory. Like how do you very

Hyasinfirst one and I really liked Marilyn Monroe. So cliche Pinterest. One thing led to another. I wonder if a woman's actually ever in the history quoted that

Brian Atlasor has like that tattoo and actually made history. Like it's it's kind of this justification women will use who will never make history to act like either degenerates or [ __ ] Grandas

Jim BobI actually think it's totally opposite like um just to tilt the the the term make history across time it's actually well- behaved women who make society's work and they actually are the ones who

Jay Dyermake history. Yeah. What defines well behaved to you? Just generally submissive to the men. Who's it who's on uh on board? Oh, go

Charlie Campbellahead. Well, you're in the military. Like you understand submission, right? Just in the structure. Oh, I I do. I'm just saying that like I'm I'm thinking we're going to talk about this later down the line. That's why I was just

Charlie Campbelllike, okay, like we'll let you think that for a while. Wait, what? Wait, what do you mean let like I don't know. I'm just saying that like Oh, we'll discuss it in a in a bit. So, I'm like Oh, okay.

Jay DyerYeah. So, I'm just like So, how did you get the allseeing eye tattoo? What's the purpose of that on your hand? Do you want to show it to the camera? Yeah. I was dating a guy at the time and I was doing like henna and I didn't have any

Hyasintattoos and he was like you should give us the the knuckles. Oh, it did not age well. Oh, wait. No, go like this into

Hyasinthis camera. Face this camera. Stay woke. Stay woke liberal either political stance.

Brian AtlasShe just be getting I did. I really did. You You should go on the other one. It should be go broke. I don't know. Okay. Um, stay broke. Okay. Well, did anybody

Jim Bobto Jim Bob's point here, uh, you were saying how what women should be submissive basically. Is that what that Yeah. I mean, it's it's a larger statement than just the cliche of like follow me woman. Society is structured like Jay was pointing to the military

Jim Bobstructured. And so societies are structured hierarchically and they're structured uh patriarchically. Even if you pretend they aren't, they just they are functionally. And so if you follow an ordered system called a society, you

Kyla Turneractually are submissive just definitionally. By that like what uh when you're saying submissive, do you mean like at a system level like are you talking about like women having rights to land ownership?

Jim BobLet's just say following laws. That's submissive. But then we probably want men to be submissive too. So that's not how we would delineate women. Yeah. men actually from a Christian paradigm uh women if a man is not submissive to a

Jim Bobhigher uh order Christianity God uh if he's not within that paradigm the woman can't really see reflectively why she should be submissive yeah but when you say women be submissive I think we're assuming that you mean something

Kyla Turnerseparate from men right so I don't think like not murdering is what you mean when you say women should be submissive I'm just trying to detail like when you say women be submissive what's unique for women because I'm sure you have things right unique to women well I would men

Jim Bobdon't need to do. Yeah, I would say duties would be like submissive to your duties in a sense that there's a way uh the system's ordered. Women have duties and then men have duties. And so men are

Jim Bobuh because of their duties, because of their biology, because of their nature. They assume these duties are actually informed by their nature. And the women's duties are informed by their nature. It's actually the best way to optimize both natures of the men and

Jim Bobwomen. Yeah, I still I guess I'm trying to get the specifics like when you say a woman should be submissive. uh I would say for a society uh it's better for a society

Jim Boblargely for the women to submit to the roles as uh childbearers and mothers uh uh maybe even in in work uh to move toward the the kinds of work that is

Jim Bobaligned with their nature which they already do administrative caretakers teachers and so I would say that from a larger view that that's uh that's a form of submission uh an act of rebellion is

Jim Bobarguing Basically what feminism ends up being is a is an argument against reality as it is and saying we got to revolutionize this and and yet the irony is they can't do a revolution because they need men

Kyla Turnerwhich goes back to exactly my point descriptively. Yeah. So one thing I was asking like should women be able to own land like private ownership of land? Is that submissive or not submissive? I'm

Jim Bobnot sure. I actually haven't really uh thought about whether they should own land. My my im immediate response to that is they can own land, but is anyone

Jim Bobelse obligated for uh for her to protect the land aside from her? I'm assum have like security. Are they obligated to show up and protect? So many trespasses obligated to arrest.

Jim BobThey're lawfully not in our society. Police officers don't have to arrest trespassers. No, that's responding to a violation. They have a duty to respond to violations. They have no duty to protect your property or your body. Yeah, she could probably get a gun and a

Jim Bobdog and stuff like that. Yeah, if she gets a gun and a dog and and we wish her the best with that, she can try to do that. I'm just saying ultimately for the most part, women are not going to be able to defend their their body, their

Jim Bobland, their house. Sure. But you're fine with them owning the land. Yeah. I mean, I don't think that's a big uh So, you at least align with first wave feminism. You're like, "Yeah, they should probably No, not really. No, the philosophy is different than a particular." Sure. But

Jim Bobat least you can't say you can't say like you think women should own land. Uh therefore you agree with feminism, right? Well, but you agree with that element of feminism, right? That wouldn't be feminism because that existed prior to feminism. I know we had

Jay Dyerthis conversation yesterday. Had a really hard time with it yesterday for that, right? They wanted women to be able regardless of uh like women having a right to life that existed prior to feminism. So that's not feminism in

Jay Dyerancient cultures, right? Sure. W women, but that was contrary to what you argued yesterday. I can answer if you want. So does that mean that you were wrong yesterday? Keep interrupting. Does that mean you were wrong yesterday? Do you want me to respond? Does that mean you were wrong yesterday? If you say sure,

Kyla Turnerbut n so the important thing that we delineated yesterday is that women could own land, but it was specifically if they were widows who inherited it through some like mat pat matrinal inheritance. So if her father willed her land, she could own it. Or if her

Kyla Turnerhusband died, she could own it. But the idea that women could just go out individually and purchase land didn't really exist until after the suffragette movement. Right? That was part of what the suffragettes were advocating maybe in modernity. But again, I reference No,

Jay DyerI reference to you Proverbs 31 which has women also engaging in commerce and even owning their own business. So to own a business, you would also potentially have to own land. Yeah. The Jews were a lot more matrinal. They were very much

Jay Dyermore confused. What you don't even know matrineal. I mean that's the descent in terms of how you determine who your people group is. That has nothing to do with the social organization of the society which you admitted was patriarchal economically. So that's

Kyla Turnerbecause you're economically in Jewish systems. They would often hand down things through the mother as well, right? That was like part of the way to guarantee that the baby was a Jew and that the baby who was inheriting it was the right law. Well, if she's been

Kyla Turnerletting you finish, she has. Like I just was paying attention to that like spat right now. Thank you for being the refere. Appreciate it. Um, so like in the Jewish thing, part of why the matino

Kyla Turnerthing emerged is because like I said, if a Jewish woman is raped by a Roman officer, the only way to guarantee that that baby has some Jewish line um, wrong

Kyla Turnerword. Yeah, good job. Sorry. Essayed by a Roman officer, then the only way to guarantee that that line is Jewish is to know that it came out of her birth canal. Whereas for the fathers, a really

Kyla Turnerbig issue that lots of men have today is guaranteed that the woman who is his partner is actually having his child versus somebody else. This is why like oftent times inheritance was through mothers. You know what the liverite law

Kyla Turneris? Uh the leverite law broadly, but I'm sure there's something specific you want to talk about. What is it broadly since you know Jewish law? The leverite law was like the rabbitic law that Jews operated off of. So the leverite law was

Jay Dyerlike kind of one of the highest laws of inheritance. has to do with if I die, my brother marries my wife, right? Yes. How you have to impregnate the wife. Yep. That's okay. Does that sound like a matrinal matriarchal society? I didn't

Jim Bobsay that it was a matriarchal society, right? So, it's patriarchal. Yep. Okay. Thank you. And in a society where women own land legally, because that's a legal term, right? Is that a matriarchal or a

Kyla Turnerpatriarchal? It can be both. Right. the the the thing that we were talking about, the point that I was making is that if you're for women owning land regardless of their relationship to men, they can just I can just go out and buy

Kyla Turnerland by myself. I don't need my dad or my husband to say yes. That's a suffragette position. Hold on a second. Which is fine for you to decide with. That doesn't mean you're all I ask you a question. When you own something,

Kyla Turnerwhether it's property, land, a house, an object, is that a legal term? Yep. Ownership. And and legality assumes what? uh that you oh are you going down the enforcement arm? Yeah. It assumes

Jim Bobthat the authority is being protected by the uh government that you in the case that the property is violated even if the woman's capable of holding a heavy gun and shooting it accurately. It still

Jim Bobgoes to a system that decides whether she was just in shooting the man, right? Yeah. Men are stronger if that's where you're wanting to go. It's not just men are stronger. It's that it's that any argument for legal ownership of

Jim Bobproperty, whether it's a house or land or anything else, assumes an enforcement arm that has to be uh mostly men. Sure, but that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not you think women should be able to own private land. Well, I know that. I'm just saying

Kyla Turnerthat's what I'm trying to say. It's not a it's not a point in favor of feminism because it's still relies on a patriarchy. Well, it is because the suffragettes were the one that asserted it and that was part of the feminist movement. So the they they get the point

Jim Bobwhere they're the ones that help you any instance that you think is a feminist movement forward. Do you agree that anything you could list actually requires a patriarchy to uphold?

Kyla TurnerUh sort of in the way that you're now defining patriarchy as like enforcement arm. Sure. It's just that's not how anyone engages. I'm just saying that patriarchy would be men in power. Yeah. But you're talking about men in power in

Jim Bobthe enforcement arm, not the government system. And these are two things. What's the government system without power? Banking. Uh, what's banking without power? Okay. Do you want to go into the history of banking? What's banking? The exchange

Kyla Turnerof banking. Fair exchange of monetary notes and [ __ ] without an enforcement. A threat of force. That's true. Threat of force is is the Can I Can I make up money? Can I make up any money? True. But this is going back to Donald Trump obviously has more power than like an E5

Jim Bobsoldier. Can I make up any money? Can I Can I make up money? Can I just make it up? Is it legal? I mean, for the government, yeah, kind of. No, not for the government. Can I as an individual in a society just make up money just for

Charlie CampbellOkay. And if I do that, what happens? You would go to jail. And how do I go to jail? Mechanically. The police will arrest you. And are they strong men? Often. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I mean, not all the time. There are very capable police

Kyla Turnerofficers. Not as capable, but they're lowering the standards. I just don't know if this has to do with can women own private property? Like I I understand that for Yes, they can. We already answered that. Well, hold on. I understand that for you like going back to the enforcement arm dialogue tree is

Jim Boblike your strongest position. But I'm actually trying to flesh out your ideas about other things because I'm genuinely I understand but you got to understand when we said yeah you can own land, you can own stuff, you can participate in in the society and the economics, right?

Jim BobYou said that's a you basically said so you agree with feminism. No, I'm saying that position. I'm saying that very clearly that any expression of feminism that you present is actually wholly

Kyla Turnerreliant on something that's not feminist. Uh, sure. That just doesn't That's all I needed to hear. Yeah, but that doesn't suff. So, are you saying that the suffragettes didn't get women's act ability to acquire land? Men did. Men did that for them, too. The

Jim Bobsuffragettes had nothing to do with it. No, that's just influence. I'm not I'm not denying people have influence on things. Ultimately, what you're asking is the strong person to say it. So, right. That's what a protest is, right? That's fair. But you agree with that. At

Jim Bobleast that suffragette protest. It's an appeal to It's an appeal to the enforcement arm. As a strong man, you're okay with women owning land and you would protect that right. Yeah. If women

Jim Bobown land, if my wife owns Hold on, hold on one sec, guys. Okay. Go to sources. Hit the eye in StreamYard. Okay. Hold on. continue the

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