For The PERFECT Man, She WILL NOT Take His Last Name/Quit Her Job?! Jay Dyer! JB! | Dating Talk #242

Date: 2025-05-12

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSophia (OF LA)>

CCharlie Campbell >

KKelly Vargas >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Kelly Vargas(guest)

SPEAKER_04Charlie Campbell(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kyla Turner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Hyasin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sophia (OF LA)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jay Dyer(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jim Bob(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lexi (Baker)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentSophia: ex con-artist stole SSN, spent $20K+, faked stalking emails

Key MomentJay Dyer vs Kyla Turner erupts: 32 interruptions vs 7. Brian asks them to say one nice thing.

ControversyKelly refuses to take man's last name even for trillionaire. Extended double-standard debate.

Key MomentJay challenges Kyla to name philosophy books; she can't recall titles but discusses content of 5 Plato dialogues

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Hyasin, Kyla Turner, Lexi, Sophia, Charlie, Kelly, Jim Bob, Jay Dyer.

Sophia Con-Artist Ex

Ex sent fake stalking emails, stole SSN, spent $20K+, hacked socials.

Jay Dyer vs Kyla Turner Philosophy Debate

Extended debate spanning 2 episodes: feminism, patriarchy, relativism, Agrippa's Trilemma, Kant, Plato, Nietzsche. Chat counts Jay 32 interruptions vs Kyla 7.

Last Name Debate

Kelly refuses to take husband's name even for perfect trillionaire. Central double-standard flashpoint.

Body Count Round

Charlie: 13 (7M, 6W). Other guests decline.

Bear vs Man

Sophia and Hyasin choose bear citing SA experiences.

Transcript

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Charlie Campbell"Hey, is everything okay?" And he'd kind of just be clammed up and be like, "Yeah, everything's fine." But you could tell things weren't okay. And honestly, when I got the email, like the mass email for our battalion that hey, he

Charlie Campbellpassed away before I I knew cuz the subject line was like like unaliving basically. I honestly thought of him immediately and it goes to my I get it.

Brian AtlasSomebody unal alive themselves and so can we get to the actual Yes. Yes. content of the conversation here. You said it's the result of rules men have. So let's discuss that. So So men's fault

Charlie Campbellsuicide. Oh [ __ ] [ __ ] necessarily men's fault on the living like not necessarily like any men that are alive right now cuz these rules were made before any men that are alive on this

Charlie Campbellearth are are um alive obviously but us saying that you said being a result of the rules men have put in place a lot of traditional men think like be a man like

Charlie Campbellyou know suffer in silence like you know don't like stonewall like don't communicate your feelings like you know don't cry things like that and well I have a question for you though. So if

Brian Atlasthe unal alive the the incidence rate of unaliving has gone up do you think uh masculinity has also like gone up too or have we seen men

Brian Atlasbecome more feminine in the past like 50 60 years? We've seen a lot more men that are okay with being feminine, right? But so like but that's not correlation. Femininity rates of femininity in men

Brian Atlasincreasing but uh unaliving rate can you show me? But what you're pointing you're saying like oh it's the it's this which by the way uh the

Brian Atlastraditional or toxic masculinity that you're referring to has been on the decline. So that which you're pointing to is the cause of the increase in men men's unaliving rate. It seems like that

Charlie Campbellcause has been on the decrease. No, I I definitely see the need for masculinity. Like I'm not saying like, oh, masculinity is toxic and in in and of itself. I'm saying there are certain aspects of masculinity in which there is

Charlie Campbelltoxicity like stonewalling, not communicating your feelings, not seeking therapy. These are all masculine things. I work in I've worked only in masculine roles and I see this time and time again

Charlie Campbellwhere and it's a it's an expectation that men are given from a very young age and then sometimes like in June you see like men's mental health month or something like that and it's like it's that seems to be like the only month

Jim Bobwhere men seem Can I ask you a question? If someone unalivives themselves and they're a man, do you agree that they're responding or reacting to an emotion? Like what what do you mean? There's a

Charlie Campbelllot are they are they reacting to like an emotion? I mean I'm sure that before somebody unalivives themselves there's a lot of a series of emotions that they go through. Emotions like I think the world would be

Brian Atlasbetter off without me. Nobody would miss me. Like things like that. Like I'm sure there's a series thoughts and emotions. Speak to speak to you said being a result of the rules men have put in

Jim Bobplace. Yes. Saying the rules are that you're not allowed to talk about your feelings or cry. How many times she's drawing out some sort of narrative that

Jim Bobmen being pent up and not crying with their therapists on the couch results in some sort of like what like a rubber band effect where it's like builds up and then Yeah. Like where it builds up

Jim Boband and and it and it continues until to the point where they reach a breaking point. I mean, but how is it the fact that the in like like Brian said, if masculinity at its peak was before all

Jim Bobof this stuff and there was less selfdeions, why is there more now with the increase of being emotional and more feminine? Because back then the statistics weren't as accurate as they are right now today in these in these

Brian Atlastimes. So you're saying the ability just to track it is the it's getting better and more accurate. Yes. But even even from the point of time where we started tracking it, it's trending upwards.

Kyla Turnercurrent perap. Yes, because I'm just curious. I actually don't know. Is it per capita that it's trending up or is it just like total number because there's also like more people? I'm pretty sure I think it's the per capita. Yeah, I actually don't think it's about

Jim Bobemotion at all. I think the I think the strongest link and I can't prove it. I'm just I'm just uh speculating here is that men are uh because of modernity

Jim Bobbecause of egalitarianism uh men are not expected to uh fulfill the the duties of men and to be drawn

Jim Bobinto work, to be drawn into labor, to be drawn into all of these masculine activities. Even starts early on with with children, boys. the the

Jim Bobthe public school system is literally crafted to shut down masculine expression. And so like what Brian's pointing to is pretty true. It's like the men are being feminized if anything.

Jim BobAnd if you're going to try to draw a correlation between men and selfdeion, the trend would show a stronger correlate with demas emasculating men rather than some sort of tac to toxic

Charlie Campbellmasculinity. But then another study would be would need to be conducted saying that because men are being feminized, suicide rates are going up. You can't just say that one is because of the No, I I would Yeah, I I agree. I

Jim Bobwouldn't draw that strict, but I think more it's more likely men are depressed because they're not um being used fully in society that they're not being drawn

Jim Bobinto their duties and into positions where they're used. like men respond really well to you, dude. Go do this. Just go, you know, it's like a it's like we're we're just like these kind of

Jim Bobroaming beasts who just need to be put to work. And I think um I would I would include a variable of technology which is kind of blameless. Uh but uh removing men from positions where they're

Jim Bobconstantly active and drawn into some some type of role, a needed role. I mean, think about you're facing a society as a as a 25-year-old and you're looking for your wife and you're living

Jim Bobin a society that literally says women don't need need men. Literally, the narrative is women don't need men. Could I? If a man is his ontology is to be

Jim Bobneeded and wanted, can you imagine living in a society where the overall loudspeaker that you hear from from childhood to now is you're not needed. uh can I offer like a I think like a

Kyla Turnerjoining uh a hypothesis because I really echo a lot of what Jim is saying but I also understand a fair bit what you're saying. There's really really interesting studies on emotional expression in kids. So uh there's two ways that kids and people tend to express emotions. One is externalizing

Kyla Turnerand one is internalizing. And I'm sure you're not surprised to find out boys tend to externalize more, girls tend to internalize more. The issue is that the way that we parent an externalizing child. So if your child gets overwhelmed

Kyla Turnerand stressed, so they start throwing blocks and like kicking [ __ ] basically, they're way more likely to be punished and sent to their room. Whereas an internalizing child, it's very easy to comfort. They're crying. You pick them up. You're like, "It's okay, Sophie. Go

Kyla Turnerback to your play." And so in many ways what we do as society in in part because of our expectations of what boys are, but also because we very much fear and resent male anger is that we take the

Kyla Turnerboy in the moment where he needs co-regulation and he needs parenting and he needs support and we tell him go to your room. Nobody wants to [ __ ] seal it. Deal it with yourself. And so we have a whole bunch of boys that I would agree are increasingly being reduced out

Kyla Turnerof purposelessness. They've been told that their proclivities like wanting to do like play violence is bad and having externalizing emotions is bad, but we never actually teach them how to externalize in like a healthy way, which

Kyla Turneris why most men if they find things that help their mental health when they've been having severe issues, it's usually through like fitness and boxing, which is externalizing ways of managing your emotions. And so I think there's kind of a duality where I think when we talk from like a feminist lens, we're like

Kyla Turnermen just need to express their feelings more. And I'm like, well, even when they do, a, lots of women don't like it, and b, we don't like it because they'll externalize a lot of the time. They'll be sent to the room, they'll be told that they're bad, and we don't give them

Kyla Turneran off-ramp. Um, and then on top of that, really neutral things about masculinity like violence and roughousing and all these sorts of things are also increasingly

Kyla Turnercriminalized. And and by criminalized, I mean this in like a uh pjorative way, not in like a legal way, obviously. And so I think what we're doing is we're setting up this catch22 where there isn't really a direction that men can be

Kyla Turnerand the way that they often naturally want to express is bad and harmful. And then especially on the left, we just basically say, "You've had the mic for too long, so shut the [ __ ] up. We're not interested in you." I mean, Obama, Michelle Obama literally told men to sit

Kyla Turnerup and shut down and and shut up. And it's just like none of this is ever going to be ironic for a man to say that. Michelle Obama. Yeah. Oh, okay. Okay. I said I get it. Uh she does have very strong arms. So my alternative

Kyla Turnerhypothesis would be I don't know if it's fair to say that it's it's expectations that men have put on men. I think it's expectations that came out of necessity. I think there's a lot of reasons why patriarchies emerge over and

Kyla Turnerover were on men that all of us society reinforce. Moms, dads, etc., etc. I mean, absolutely.

Charlie CampbellUm, I guess what I'm trying to get at is that I've personally seen time and time again where a guy will vent about his frustrations about what's going on in his life and his friend just basically

Charlie Campbelltells him, "Man up. Here's a beer." Basically, and that's not enough. Sometimes that's not enough. It really is. It's enough for me tonight. You know what I'm trying to say, though, is that you're not every there's no

Charlie Campbelloneizefits-all. But I'm saying that I do agree that men need to be heard. Men need to be listened to. I do agree with that. I'm not saying that like I'm saying that there's just for too long men have been told that they just need

Jim Bobto take it. I think that's good. I think they should take it. I think you should say man up. Stop being a little [ __ ] I mean I I do that as why they kill each other or kill themselves unal alive

Charlie Campbellthemselves. No, they don't mo they don't mostly do that though. I'm I'm just saying that you can't say like don't talk to anybody. Keep it internalize it. Keep it within yourself. How could you

Jim Bobhow could you make the link though of teaching men to essentially um overcome uh their emotions, overcome their uh

Jim Bobperceive tribulations by being stronger and stronger and then you're trying to make a link to if you teach men to overcome things that results in them deleting themselves. I don't understand

Charlie Campbellhow you're making this jump. Well, let's let's just say men and women women are a lot more social. Women talk to each other a lot more. Men a lot more are more independent. They don't talk to

Charlie Campbelleach other. Yet, you don't see women killing themselves. Le unaliviving themselves unaliving themselves. They're not as good at it. Unaliving themselves left and right. Men are better at it. What? It's like a force. They succeed.

Jim BobThey can follow through. Men, women fail at it. They attempt it, but they fail more than men. Why is that? In the attempts, in the comparative analysis of attempts, why does the men Why is the

Kyla Turnermen so successful at it? Like the women try but they also does therapy work like in general therapy therapy in general does therap does therapy work robustly

Kyla Turnerbut I will give you a caveat therapy robustly works by and large there's a couple of caveats therapy is extremely ineffective with incelss extremely incels actually seek therapy more than

Brian Atlasthe general population but the efficacy rate for them is about 10%. I'm not even talking about incels. I'm just speaking in general. Like I don't tell you at level there's certain things like grief counseling or like if you're if you're

Brian Atlasspecifically trying to address maybe something specific there I I guess I could see the application of therapy. But a man just going to see another man or woman and just here's my problems.

Kyla TurnerWell, that's not therapy doesn't necessarily mean you have Hold on. Just to be clear, talk therapy is like the most popular form of therapy that there is. But you're describing a talk therapy that isn't even like most men, for

Kyla Turnerexample, tend to prefer CBT versus like Yeah, CBT has some merit to it. But like just talk therapy. Here's talk therapy is CBT. CBT is the most common form of therapy unquestionably. There's a new fourth wave of therapy that is getting a

Kyla Turnerlittle bit more popular that's a little bit more emotion focused exclusively. Women tend to like that more, but CBT is here. Who here is currently in therapy? Amazing. Who here has ever professionally offered therapy? It

Brian Atlasdepends on the therapist. And how many therapists have you had? Like three. How many therapists have you had? Two. Um, if if it's not too much to share, what

Charlie Campbellissues are you guys specifically working through in therapy? So, the thing about therapy is a lot of people think there's a stigma like, oh, he or she is in therapy. It like that stigma that comes

Brian Atlaswith it. But therapy doesn't ne just because you do therapy doesn't necessarily mean that there's something wrong. You're just giving somebody like $200 an hour just can you answer my question though? What specifically are you working on in

Brian Atlastherapy? Sometimes I talk about things in my life that made me upset for example. Why can't you talk to a pillow here and are you spec cuz I know people are are you specifically working through

Brian Atlassomething in particular? Yeah. Yeah. Childhood trauma. Okay. I think that's fair. Mhm. I think that's fair. Um, I guess the question is though, sometimes you go to this therapy stuff. Does has it helped you talking about it?

Kelly VargasHonestly, it's it has to be the right therapist. I currently have one that I stopped seeing because it I agree with you. It's just like talking to a wall and she was like, "Yeah." Yeah. And and first off, I'm very sorry to hear that

Brian Atlasyou went through traumatic things when you were a child. Um, I think a lot of people go through that. Um, do you have you found that and this is my experience sometimes with talking about anything

Brian Atlasthat is troubling? Uh, I find that talking about it just makes me more upset. It doesn't help at all. It just it sort of uh what's the word for it? it

Brian Atlasit just sort of recycles the feelings and sometimes I just if if it's something like temporary that I'm upset about talking about it and focusing on

Brian Atlasit just makes me more upset about said thing and if I'm given a day a couple days to just not talk about it I tend to just move on past the thing that was troubling and I'm good now I I can

Brian Atlasunderstand perhaps with something that's like a bit more deep-seated and like you know you're not going to get over you know I'm talking about more of a minor thing, but even things that in the moment are troubling to me. If I just

Kelly Vargaswait a week, yeah, I'm over it. So, when sorry, when I'm in therapy, um we practice something where they with trauma, they want you to be um to feel

Kelly Vargaswhat you felt when you had that trauma to overcome the idea of like, I don't want to think about it, you know, hush like it's under the rug because you're not really working through it if you're just not talking about it and you're

Kelly Vargasjust putting it under the rug or hiding it. what talking through it and having that emotional reaction is actually helping you as a person. It helped me. It has to be the right therapist. Like

Kelly Vargasagain, if the therapist is just nodding her head or his or her head, just saying yes, yes, yes, and not actually asking questions, engaging, um trying to understand my perspective or even interjecting and saying, "Hey, like what

Kelly Vargasyou just said is not correct." Like that's um cognitive behavioral therapy. um then there's no it's not Can I ask you more of a more of like an empirical

Jim Bobquestion? How do you measure whether or not you've uh sort of worked your way through something? Let's say like here's a

Jim Bobproblem in between these two things is therapy and here's you you've made your way through. How do you what's the metric for you've made your way through the problem? There's never a way. There's never uh I made a way through my

Kyla Turnerproblem. I will always live with that. It's unfortunate, but it's the way I am able to react to it, handle it, and talk about it. I think that's Do you want to know the empirical metrics that we use in the science to to evaluate? So, there's a couple of metrics that are going to be used. One of the most

Kyla Turnerimportant ones is days off work. So, one of the most important metrics for the efficacy of therapy is to see how often that person has to take off work for mental health related issues. So this is one of the most robust evidences for support for therapy is that people who

Kyla Turnerhave gone through therapy miss work less often. Another really good measure of therapy efficacy would be things like relationship flourishing. So if they prior to therapy struggled in relationships can't maintain them very well and post therapy have relationship

Kyla Turnerflourishing that's oftentimes used and you see this robustly like when I'm saying robustly I mean millions maybe billions of data points right? So this is an extremely established phenomenon

Kyla Turnerthat by and large therapy works. There are bad therapists and there is a pathizing of normal living that I would totally grant where people like I'm really sad. I need to go to therapy. I'm like you can probably just talk to a

Kyla Turnerfriend. Like you probably don't need to. But there are things like trauma for example that have very neurobiological underlyings that have very very wellressearched protocols for addressing these things. And the thing that she's describing where essentially you're

Kyla Turnercalling the emot the emotion and the memory forward and reconsolidating it is based on hippocample data. We know that when you pull a memory forward and you reform it, every time you re reexperience that memory, you're

Kyla Turnerrecoding it with like emotional colors. And so the goal of like PTSD therapy would be reduction of nightmares, reduction of days off, and reduction of flashbacks. And it doesn't always work. There are some people that it is not

Kyla Turnereffective on. And there are other ways, but for example, prolonged exposure is what it sounds like you're talking about is extremely effective on average by and large. However, there is a caveat here again, which is that overall we said

Kyla Turnerthat therapy is slightly less effective for men. And I would argue that's because we approach therapy almost exclusively from a more feminine approach. And there can be therapies and there are therapies that focus on more mechanical movement. for example,

Kyla Turnerteaching men to externalize, having therapy that's focused outdoors and with movement, talking about like uh project related processing. These things do exist and are beginning to emerge because I think men have been

Sophia (OF LA)underserved by therapy. Well, it's like you it's like you said you said that you'd way rather just not talk about it, wait out a week. I personally want to

Brian Atlaslike I want to talk about it. I can't let it sit within it. You know, there there's some variance here. I think you made some good points and I I think that

Brian Atlaswhen I'm talking about therapy, I'm not talking about it so much from like trauma stuff. More so like vaguely sad, like I'm vaguely unhappy. Uh there's not

Brian Atlaslike a specific traumatic experience I'm trying to work through. It's more so just like I'm vaguely upset or sad about something or I just like or perhaps the problem's been solved but I'm just going to be perpetually in therapy. Yeah,

Kyla Turnerthat's kind of confusing to me, too. But mild to moderate depression and anxiety by and large, particularly when it's state, which means like you're feeling sad. It's not like a diagnosis can be solved by community. If you just immerse that person into a community that supports them, most of these things go

Brian Atlasaway cuz most people are sad cuz they're lonely. Sure. Final thing on the therapy thing, just in response to you, you said you you want to talk about that things and stuff. Sorry, that was you want to talk about things. Yeah. Like I got a I

Sophia (OF LA)got a therapist after that year and a half breakup because I just couldn't put it on my friends to listen to me 24/7. Sure. Like cuz I'd be so anxious, so

Brian Atlasdepressed, like it was. Yeah. But do you feel like the if I can make it from a relationship realm? uh I don't feel the need to like for example if my girl uh if I'm dating a girl and she does

Brian Atlassomething that's annoying or something I don't feel the need to like in every instance uh if somebody's like said something that's like whatever kind of annoying or I don't feel the need to constantly litigate every single minor

Brian Atlasthing I think part of being in a relationship is giving the other person grace and like letting like minor things unless they put the toilet paper the wrong way. Oh yeah, of course. then you've got then it's over, right? You

Brian Atlasknow, but I think that like a component of relationships is giving the other person grace to like maybe especially this is especially the case for for women I think like if we say something

Sophia (OF LA)that offends you if maybe let a couple things slide, you know? I don't know. I've had girls are like every [ __ ] thing. I don't think I really necessarily

Sophia (OF LA)saying I wasn't saying that. just saying like I have a bad day. I had a bad day at work or something really shitty happened. Like I'd rather just tell somebody about it, talk about it for a

Brian Atlassecond, and I'm more likely to get over it. My brain works on just festering on it. So, I feel like that's kind of like where we're different. We're going to move it on. We have a chat here from Blest. Speaking of which, guys, TTS is $70. Oh, I forgot to change it. I'll

Brian Atlasjust read it then. Women attempt unaliving more times than men. There are more men who statistically unalive themselves in total. Men are just better at it and less desperate for the attention women see comes from it. I'm

Brian Atlasneed to change the threshold on on those. But uh yes, thank you Blest for the message. Thank you. Thank you guys. TTS has been lowered. $69 TTS if you

Brian Atlaswant to get it in. $69 TTS. I'm going to finish up with the pre-show notes, then we're going to get into some of the questionnaire stuff. Let's see. We had uh oh, final thing for you, Charlie. Your final note here. You disagree with the host and others that have been on

Brian Atlasthe show when it comes to male loneliness epidemic. You think that that exists because women are largely waking up to the tricks guys pull and that's just the free market doing its thing by

Brian Atlasweeding out weak men. I do. What tricks are what tricks are guys pulling and that women are waking up to? I mean just in general gaslighting. What is that?

Charlie CampbellWhat is that? I don't even know what that is. Gaslighting is kind of like if I said like I'm gaslighting you right now. I literally I do know. Okay. Well, sorry. Uh what what is gaslighting is

Charlie Campbellcuz you're [ __ ] crazy. No. What is gaslighting though? I mean, I don't have like a definitive definition. You don't even know. I think it's just a buzz word women like to throw out that it's definitely I can define I can define it

Charlie Campbellas like if I'm defining it as a verb where it's like it's as if if I said you did something or you saw like a text that I sent or something and then you're saying like I saw you send this text and I'm like no you didn't. No, you didn't.

Kyla TurnerEven though you saw it, I'm now making you question whether you actually saw it or not. That's just like something making there's it's from a movie there. This guy like tries to make his wife go crazy by like moving everything like slightly to the left. It's the

Kyla Turnergaslighting comes from it's not a psychological like psychotherapy word. People weaponize it like that, but it's not from I realize it's a phenomenon, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that there is an influx of a lot of men

Charlie Campbellwho want, as I said earlier in the podcast, some someone who wants like a traditional woman, but they aren't willing to be actually traditional men. And you know, seeing as how you know, like would you guys say you guys are

Charlie Campbellfree market? Free market. Like you guys say free market's the best. Like capitalism is not perfect, but it's the best. I mean, I've never spoken on my economic I'm just saying that a a lot of a lot of conservativeleaning men will

Brian Atlassay that I support free market. Yeah. I don't think you should like dump toxic sludge into rivers and stuff in the government. Yeah. No, but then but then what I was getting at is that like well a lot of women say that these guys are

Charlie Campbellreally low quality, so let me hold on and like wait longer to see a guy that does come along who is a better quality man. And that leads to a lot of the weaker men who aren't as traditional and

Jim Bobaren't really high quality. It leaves them without anybody to go with them, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. So, I mean, I guess that's what I was getting at is that Are you saying li

Jim Bobleft-leaning liberals or men who aren't leaning traditional are more depressed or or what do you No, no, I haven't said that. Oh, I was just wondering like if you who's the lonely people here? What's

Charlie Campbellthe demographic of the lonely men here? A lot of a lot of men that say there is a male loneliness epidemic tends tends to be harsh rightwing. Not like just like conservative. I'm not thinking you're saying opposite. Not like normal

Kyla Turnerlike traditional conservatives. I'm talking people who go off the deep end and they say that there's in fairness if you actually look at incel research it's extremely politically diverse. It's also like racially politically diverse. Yeah. By Yeah. It's like I think it's a

Kyla Turnerright-wing talking point because the left well the left is so angry at men. Like the left and left speak like I'm a left wing person. I advocate for men's stuff all the time and as a result of

Kyla Turnerthat I'm a pariah in a lot of left spaces, right? The left really doesn't want to be honest with itself about like plightes and issues that men have. But like, yeah, even incel data you have

Kyla Turnerlike there's like communists all the way to like fascists within the incel ideology by and large from what this is like Castello's research at least. I I had no idea. Yeah, people expect it to

Jim Bobbe rightwing that it actually isn't. How do you determine someone's involuntarily celibate versus this is like can women be involved? Like how do you even determine someone is it's a self ID

Kyla Turnerthing or Yeah. I think the men who uh self ID is that or essentially they're trying to get [ __ ] and they're they cannot do it but they'll also like they would never like approach a grandma and

Charlie Campbelllike get [ __ ] which they probably could if they grandma. Oh, and to answer your question, Brian, yeah, they there are like women, it was in response to the grand [ __ ]

Charlie Campbellcomment. There are like women who are fall under involuntary celibates, but in in buzz word spaces, they're called fem cells is kind of like what they call. It's it's impossible. A woman can't be

Kyla Turnerinvoluntarily celibate. Well, she could be really really really ugly, right? And then it's like most men won't want to [ __ ] her. But most incelss, for example, would never [ __ ] a grandma. But there's a lot of grandmas that probably would be down for some young dick and would be

Kyla Turnerpretty open to how ugly a dude would look. But most guys would be like, "Ew." Right. So it's like, yeah, but also the incel phenomena, the fem cells do steal a lot of valor from incelss, which have a very different problem by and large.

Jay DyerGet it, J. Yeah. I mean, I hold on, let me let this chat come through. Or actually, wait, I'll incels are going to be so mad. Now you where are you getting this information? You mentioned the science earlier. What's

Kyla Turnerwhich information? He's asking about the incel. William Castello is probably one of the most like foremost researchers on incel stuff. He's the first researcher who's actually tried to approach incel groups

Kyla Turneruh honestly ra most research on incelss is like do they hate women? Yes, they do. And it's like shocker. Uh he's the first one who's like befriended worked with incel groups and studied them like

Charlie Campbellwhere they are in their like forums and stuff like that. Like Jane Goodall. Like Jane Goodall but her incelss. Yes. I'll let them know. I'll let these uh chats come through. Thank you, Blest.

SPEAKER_01Blahest donated $200. Thank you, man. I'm a highquality, hardworking, respectful, and traditional man. I love my wife and my girlfriend so much. I don't think I have it in my heart to

Brian Atlascheat on them. All right. Thank you, Blest, for the big $200 TTS. Really appreciate that. We have your friend Intel Wild coming in to talk some [ __ ] Uh Kyla, so incoming. Oh, my best buddy.

SPEAKER_01Thank you, Bluff Fest. Appreciate it, man. Uh, if you guys want $69 TTS, Wild donated $69. Sweet Jesus, not so bright. Please cover

Kyla Turnerup that stomach. We can see the jelly rolls bursting out. You know that this dude's fat. You know that this guy is some like fat [ __ ] I'm definitely I'm definitely heavier than I I like I said, I'm at the end of

Brian Atlasa bulk. I am definitely one that's been out. Mine is a little bit I just don't care. Like Yeah. Nice. Okay. I guess see me in two months. See if the bulk pays. Uh the the cutting pays off. So to you though, you think that there's like fem

Charlie Campbellcells exist. Women can be involuntarily celibate. I think so. I mean, not necessarily in a buzzword sense. Yes. Like a woman who's like a misandress hates men. I could say that. Yeah.

Charlie CampbellThat's a fem cell. Like someone who just hates men with like, you know, I I could say I could see that. Yeah. But I mean um I haven't I haven't really put much thought into it cuz I don't think about Just curious though. Do you think like

Brian Atlasguys who are mega players who have smashed like 200 300 women, do you think they're like the pinnacle of feminism or do you think they probably have like some misogynistic tendencies or do or

Brian Atlasthey they also maybe have like some uh views on women that are not particularly like uh wellreceived by feminists. I could I could see it. Yeah, I like mega

Brian Atlasplayers probably don't have like super high opinions. I agree. Of women. I can see that. Yeah. Versus like the average guy. They're probably I would say like mega players probably lean more

Brian Atlasmisogynistic than like your average guy who has like an average body count. So this idea that like we're linking like one's ability to get laid with misogyny is kind of interesting. But

Brian Atlasum I just don't I genuinely don't see how like I suppose a particular woman could be involuntarily celibate. like

Brian Atlasshe's just she's just like 800 lb and like even like she's

Brian Atlasjust bad looking. Mhm. But like the if you look at like these incel men like probably a lot of them are below average looking I would say. Um, but I think

Brian Atlasbelow like if you look at like their ma if you look at a quote unquote like uh uh a male incel his female equivalent lookswise she can [ __ ] three dudes in a

Jim Bobday. Isn't the only metric for this whole terminology just sex? Like just the act of sex like the ultimate Oh god. That's the definition, right? It's like can you

Jim Bobget sex? Yeah. Yeah. So like what if it's the case that both men and women are slowly rejecting this sort of like

Jim Boblingering sexual liberation uh crop dust that we're in. Uh and maybe they maybe maybe in the incelibate thing is act could be a good thing. What if it's a push back and people are like

Jim Bobwell maybe I just want to get to know someone and and with technology and all of this promiscuity it's really hard to navigate. That'd be a volell. Maybe they just want to like Yeah, maybe they just want to like Yeah, that that's the thing

Jim Bobis like that's why I'm like insel involuntary voluntary. It seems to be a bit ambiguous given that there's a lot of other variables at play. Well, I think it would just strictly be like this is somebody who's not like waiting

Brian Atlasuntil marriage and they are desirous. trying to they're desirous of at least having a singular sexual encounter and they can't like they cannot get a

Jim Bobsingular sexual encounter. Yeah. Like that's what I'm wondering. Maybe maybe they should rearrange their priority to Sure. You for marriage or

Brian Atlassomething instead. Maybe it'll change things. We have Intel Wild here. Oh boy. Here it is. Intel Wild. There it is. Thank you, Intel. Intel

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Brian AtlasBob. Is that what's he talking? Is that me? I know him. 179. He's not He's not That's him. That's him. He's not a fatty. I see. He's He's trim. That's a

Brian Atlasgood That's a good Congrats, Intel. Wild. Good job. Um I'm proud of you. Um, really quick question for the panel, starting with you, Kelly. Equality or chivalry, if you had

Charlie Campbellto pick one. Equality. Equality. Okay. Absolutely. One. Equality. But I also don't believe that those are mutually exclusive. Sure. Equality.

Brian AtlasChivalry. Equality. Shivery. Shivery. Shivery. I'm sorry. There you go. No, that's fine. Uh, okay. That's interesting. That's interesting.

Brian AtlasUh, okay. Oh, wait. How about this? Um, democracy or crazy abortion? Same thing. So, would you

Kelly Vargaswould you rather have a democracy or access to abortion? Starting with Kelly. Wouldn't access to democracy give you access to abortion in this world. You

Brian Atlascan only have one in this. Yeah. So, let's assume it's like a a Republican conservative democracy. Oh, yeah. Democracy. You pick democracy. Okay.

Brian AtlasDemocracy. I'm confused. Sorry. Oh, it's just uh if if you had to choose one, so would you rather have democracy in a country or but no no abortion rights

Brian Atlaswhatsoever or it's could be like totalitarian, authoritarian, monarchy, whatever it is. Uh, no democracy. You can't vote anymore, but your your right

Lexi (Baker)to abortion is preserved. Oh, democracy. Okay. Democracy. Democracy. Democracy. Okay. All right. That was not bad. All right. We got a chat here from Jake

SPEAKER_01Bernett. Jake Bernett donated $69. It's past Jay's bedtime and he's lost so many brain cells he's falling asleep. Not so you ride. You tell Jay

Brian Atlasnot to give an entire history lesson, but every time you speak, you give an endless yap with an essay. So, we'll get into I want to try to bring in a topic so we can get Jay in. Pumped up. I I got

Brian AtlasI got a topic coming up here for Jay. I want to do I want to read one of your notes and then we'll come back to some of your notes a little bit later. Uh you said uh

Brian Atlasuh here I'll just do a simple one really quick. In a relationship, sleeping in different rooms or beds is okay. Yes. Okay. Okay. I'm on board. I'm actually on board with this. I'm on board with this. I think a lot of people could

Lexi (Baker)probably get behind different rooms because it's not like you can't go to each other's room, but you have your own space and you have, you know, it's just your own independent space separate from each other. Um, beds I guess kind of

Brian Atlasgoes with that, too. Um, but yeah, I think that that's okay. Any anybody have thoughts on this? Like okay with having separate separate beds, separate rooms? I think it's healthy healthy to have

Hyasinspace in a relationship, but I like to cuddle. So, I guess you can still go over spend the night in their room. It's just you have your separate space. Let

SPEAKER_00us stay the night. Yeah. Come sleep over. Yeah. I just want one sec, guys.

Kyla TurnerOkay, we're good. All right. Um, what about you? Uh, separate beds, separate I rooms. I don't want to yuck on your yum. Uh, in general, I think I'm very concerned for the health of a

Kyla Turnerrelationship if they can't share a bedroom together. I think you're concerned. Yeah. I think there are situations like, you know, like if one person has a syndrome or like their legs like restless leg syndrome and stuff, he's going to kung fu the chick and Yeah. Like she can't sleep beside him

Brian Atlascuz he's literally like vibrating while he's asleep. Not murder, just like he's like with his legs. With his legs. even snoring. But by and large, I guess the question is is concerns me when I see that wouldn't there always be some

Brian Atlasreason for separate like I can't imagine we're just going to arbitrarily if they're otherwise fine sleeping together we're just going to arbitrarily there would always be a reason for the separate bed thing right I just think most a lot of reasons that I hear are

Kyla Turnernot very compelling to me unless like oh man it's hard for me to sleep in the same room as somebody uh again it would depend on like what that is uh so like if they're just like I just don't like sleeping near anyone I'd be like that's

Brian Atlaskind of weird but I guess do your thing. Um, if they're just like, I just need my own space. Wait, was this the topic that was going to get Jay fired up? No, I wanted to do one of her notes, then

Lexi (Baker)we'll get to the hopefully we'll get to that topic. So, what's your what's your reason for wanting it? Um, mainly I think just to have your own room and your own space and all your own stuff and it's just

Sophia (OF LA)kind of like yours is yours. Yours is yours. Sure. What about you? I'm down to have like a guest bedroom, but for the most part, like I just want my own closet. Maybe separate bathrooms, but

Kelly Vargasbed I'm sharing. What about you? Uh own your own bedroom, I would say. Yeah, you're you're fine with it? Yeah, I like the idea of having your own self-expression and you don't have to

Jim Boblike compromise so much and then you can just, you know, go to each other's rooms after. Doesn't matter. Sure. Jim, Bob, uh I would say same bed. Try to keep that. Um, not to say like you can't have

Jim Boblike a I don't know like a a daybed in like a studio where you just like pass out because you're you know you're doing stuff, but um I kind of look at it from a even though it's unlikely I look at it

Jim Bobfrom a protective lens where like I want access to be able to defend my family and my wife. So I want to be closer if something occurred. That makes sense. Jay, what about you? Um, I married late

Jay Dyerin life, so I was really used to not having like somebody in my personal space every single night. Um, but then when I got married, it took me about a year or two. I got really used to it, so I like it now. And then like when we,

Jay Dyeryou know, like sometimes I do snore, like not every night, but maybe once every month or so. Um, sometimes like you can have, you know, if somebody's sick or something like that, somebody goes in the other room, but like I think

Lexi (Baker)typically you're going to want somebody. Yeah. And I'm not I would I'm okay with sharing a room or a bed. I'm just saying it's okay. Like I could see why you would. And I'm I kind of could go either

Brian Atlasway, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm kind of big on the separate I like the separate beds. Separate room. I just like the separate messes. Yeah. Separate messes. I feel like that'll avoid a

Jay Dyerfight. You make your room messy. I make my room messy. No one Yeah. I I think separate rooms is good cuz I messy cuz usually girls are clean. Like the dudes

Sophia (OF LA)are messy. I mean, like my closet's a disaster from getting dressed today and I don't plan on cleaning it up tonight or maybe tomorrow. So, it's like that type of

Sophia (OF LA)stuff, but no, I feel like men are very messy. If you're if you're the girl cleaning and you're cleaning up after a man every time. I mean, obviously,

Brian Atlaseveryone has their own situation, but yeah, I Okay, rock and roll. All right, let me get into the questionnaire here, which hopefully we'll be able to get Jay

Brian Atlasinto on some of the stuff. Uh, let's see here. Why don't we go Kyla's notes to see if there's anything there. Uh, you did like little squiggly signs, which I guess is like maybe like depend

Kyla Turneron how we phrase it. So, a man dating a transgender woman is straight to which you're he's like more gay than a guy not dating a transgender, but he's it's it's more straight than a guy dating a man,

Brian Atlasyou know? Okay. Okay. So, it's like a it's a spectrum is what you're saying. Yeah. If they have titties, it's obviously more fem than if they have a penis and chest hair. I see. Okay. I would actually be I think that probably

Brian Atlasgrant that. Uh but you wouldn't say that it would be straight. It'd be straighter. Straighter. Okay. But it wouldn't be, for example, like a man

Brian Atlasdating a transgender woman. They would not be in a heterosexual relationship. Uh they'd probably use that label a lot. I'd be fine with that. I don't really

Brian Atlascare. But would it be from your perspective a heterosexual relationship? Mostly. What do you Hold on. Mostly. Yeah. Cuz she's in most ways

Kyla Turnersuper fem. She's presenting fem, but there's obviously in a lot of cases there's no chance for pregnancy. There's often times not a vagina going on, right? So it's not quite heterosexual. Hold on. But heterero. So we're talking about the binary though because I'm

Brian Atlastreating these things obviously spectrum, right? Well, there's not a sex. There's a g I'll go ahead and grant that there's a gender spectrum, but there's not a sex spectrum. Like, it's binary. Sure. But I think when you're talking about like heterosexuality to

Brian Atlashomosexuality, you're talking about being gay or straight. And so, in that sense, I would say it's which is sex. It's sex, not gender. It's it's heterosexuality pertains to sex, not gender. But I guess I'm rejecting your

Brian Atlasuh your binary approach to literally, but it's literally in the word itself, heterosexuality. That's not how we like define things though, right? Same. Wait, it's same sex. Opposite sex

Kyla Turnerrelationship. This is the science that you're talking about. Are you a science denier? No, I'm not a science denier. I don't think anyone says that sexuality and homosexuality is this like binary

Kyla Turnerthing in the way that we'd say like sex is cuz sex is binary for a number of reasons. It's not just genitalia. It's a whole number of factions. Whereas heterosexuality and homosexuality is much less of a biological concept. It's

Kyla Turnermuch more of like a social concept of how we label relationships which sexes more spectrum between what? Between sexes between genders a lot of time, right? No. Yes. That's maybe how you define it. That's just not Wait, but so okay, the word

Brian Atlasitself is a social construct, but the behavior that's observed is object. Wouldn't that be objective? Yeah, that's why it would be spectral, right? Like if she has if you're having sex with somebody and you're like

Kyla Turnersucking on their titty, but also like they have a penis, it's obviously less straight than it's her titty but his penis. Are you splitting? No, it's her titty and her penis. It's her titty and

Kyla Turnerher penis. Wait, you think there is such a thing as her penis? How's that? Is that binary or you guys? What is a gender? Well, it's uh you're the one making the claim. Yeah. Well, I don't think that like sex is just genitalia.

Jim BobOkay. Do you think there's a difference between sex and gender? Yes. Okay. Can a female sex a female be a transw woman?

Jim BobCan a can a female like a sex woman? If gender and sex are different, can a female be a trans woman? No. Because the whole point of trans is that you're transitioning to the opposite gender.

Jim BobBinary. You mean transitioning to a different sex? Uh, nope. Performing as the opposite. Okay. Well, no. If it's you don't suddenly become like X Y. You just reduce it to sex. If it's impossible for a female well you have

Kyla Turnerreduced it to that but I have not right so if you want to gauge my world what's the transition what's the transition then the transition is the gender performance from what to what a woman to man in this case if it which is what

Jay Dyerwhich is what a transgender would be a transgender man so you see how silly this is over like you're insane I get it you guys don't like transane you're actually insane like you're an insane person uh you guys

Jim Bobalready acknowledge that gender is spectrum. So you're already ining my norms. We're just asking you for Oh, you guys don't think gender and sex are different? No, that was just me, I guess. Okay. No, I think once I think

Jim Bobthey're informed from a binary. That's why this question is is absolutely it's downstream from a binary. This question destroys the entire paradigm because if premise one is sex and gender are not

Jim Bobthe same and transgender is this transition of genders, it's not a transition of sex. Then a female, which is sex, could be a trans woman, but you said they can't be because of But

Kyla Turnerthey're not really transitioning anywhere, right? Like, yeah, that's our point. There is no transition happening. That's true to my point, too. If you want to hear my definition, right? Typically, gender is downstream of sex. This is obviously true. When you're

Kyla Turnerborn, when is it atypical? Uh, there's multiple situations where it's atypical. There's lots of women that are born with an XY condition, but their test is essentially identify. Not. It's literally not sex. And it's arguable about whether or not they're a man or

Kyla Turnerwoman because their testes don't drop. So they express they have a vagina. They have tits. So physical. They have a vagina. They have tits. They go through female puberty. The only thing that you catch them in is they don't have a

Jim Bobperiod because they're testing. Can I identify as that? Can I identify as that? Well, there's a massive question of which sex that person is. The thing you just described can I identify of ha as having that phenomenon. What's a chair? Define a chair for me. the chair.

Kyla TurnerWait, this is what you're doing. You're doing questions. Do you think I answer questions, Jim? With questions. I answer your questions the entire conversation. The issue is that when you find answers

Kyla Turnerthat you don't like, you just insist that I don't question. You have still not answered my question about objectivism versus absolutism. You've run away from it the entire time. You still not answer my question about answering because you don't know anything about you're not worthy of

Kyla Turneranswering either. So, I get to use the same fail. You claim that you know the You're not worthy to talk to. You don't know anything about the gender spectum. You don't know one book in the talk. I'm sorry. You're not worthy for me to talk to on this topic that

Jim Bobsubject. Does that have to do with sofas? No. No. So, this is the this is the problem with it and this is why it's such a defeater is that if there's two different things you're talking about, every time you

Jim Bobpoint to some sort of obscure uh deformity or some weird atypical biological expression that happens between genes or the Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Every you're actually

Kyla Turnerpointing to someone something that has nothing to do with gender because gender you said we're talking about sex. No, we're talking about sex and gender. Yeah. Which is why I said it's downstream but it's not one to one. Sex is categorized by a number of things.

Kyla TurnerIt's your chromosome. Can I be any gender? No matter what the gametes that you produce, listen to my question. Uh and the androgenic uh hormones. You spouting out science terms doesn't get I got to ask you a question because you

Jay Dyerdon't know the subject. You don't know what these words over this for a second. Do you know what a gamt is? Focus for a second. Spout you spouting out terms. Forget it. It's biological.

Jay DyerWhat's a gam? What's a gamt? You can't have a conversation because it does is ask for definitions of words. I want to know. Help me understand your position. Can you help me understand your position? I would love to, but you guys keep interrupting me. You think that

Kyla Turnerwords are purely subjective? Like definitions, are they just subjective? Uh, no. They tend to be arrived to by like social concession. However, scientific words typically are operationally defined. So, they are how do you come? So, how do how do you know

Jay Dyerthat? You claim these things, right? You asserted that. How do you know that to be the case? Are you just going to go down? I want to know how you know these things. Claim I think, therefore, I am that. Can you tell me how you know that? You just spit stuff out, but how do you know that? And what constitutes that

Kyla Turnerknowledge? Jesus [ __ ] Christ, dude. Okay. So, you're just going to cuss, but you don't know. Uh, no. I'll I'll answer you as well. How do we know? Okay. What was the statement? How do I know uh that you literally just machine gun [ __ ]

Kyla Turnernon-stop? How do you know any of those things? What's your justification for those? What's your epistemic system? Epistemic justification. What is it? Uh, typically I observe things. There's not like epistemic systems that you subscribe to the same way that we all

Kyla Turnerknow. You observed. How do you know that your microphone exists? All the things that you stated. How do you know that your microphone exists? All the things you stated that your microphone too quick. I'm just curious how you Jay know that your microphone exists or does it

Jay Dyernot? So your answer to my question is to ask me a question. Yeah. That's called Socratic engagement. Have you never

Kyla Turnerord Socrates not a real philosopher? Was he a dodger? He's not answered most of my question. Does he answer question? What's objectivism versus absolutism? What is a understand how you solve a

Jay Dyergrippa's chili? I want to understand your position about when you don't when you say words are defined this way and this way and they tend to be arrived to at a social collection as well as in science it's operationally defined

Jay Dyerbecause that's the norm that we all live in which you live in a fallacy. You would of course because we all because we all you said because everybody says that or believes that it's true. That's a

Kyla Turnerfallacy. That's not at all what I said. I said that we tend to arrive in terms that are like denotative by operational definition and quantitative these how does this justify you know what these words mean I'm engaging at your level

Kyla Turnerquantitatively we typically arrive to by like some sort of social tell me what we do and I want to know how you disagree that we come to the arrival of what words mean by some level of social grouping how do we come to words in your

Kyla Turnermind how do we come to so when you get pinned you dodge by asking a question I have answered your question every single time and then I respond respond with a question that you don't like because you don't want to engage in a purpose because you know that you get why are

Kyla Turneryou bringing up something about I'm asking your position because what you're doing is an epistemic walk down of self-justifying the why why I just want to know your position I have answered it six times where's the justification you just asserted things typically do you

Kyla Turnerwant me to answer it again well you said we observe it and we all have that normal we do stuff we agree on that's an appeal to society which is a fallacy it's not a fallacy to say that the way that we come to connotations is by to

Kyla Turnermasses fallacy. It's not appeal to masses when you're talking about the social collection of words. This is an appeal to masses. You're misusing the masses do it this way. No, I said that society arrives at these masses. How do

Kyla Turnerquantitative words? That's an appeal. How do quantitative words get defined in your world? That's an appeal to masses. How do words get defined? She got caught. You're never going to answer a question because your questions are gibberish nonsense when you get a small

Kyla Turnerman. Are you going to answer a question? That's all she has. Well, you're all I've had is multiple answers to your questions. I've had five reasons as to how you find I've outlined the difference between sex and gender. And

Jim BobI've also how you arrive at definitions. Are you still bulking multiple times? What's the difference? Are you still bulking? You're you're bulking. What's the difference though? Oh, you're just going for now fat joke. Kyle Kyle, you said it. We asked you bulking. Well, no,

Jim BobI ended bulking like four days ago now. It's a very simple question. Can Can a uh someone regardless of their sex be any gender? Oh, and now we want to talk about real question. She doesn't know. You're talking to a mentally insane

Kyla Turnerperson, which is crazy because despite that, you can't answer a single [ __ ] question. I don't owe you an answer to your dumbass question. I don't owe you an answer to anything either. That's what [ __ ] debate. We both agree to engage back and forth. This is not the W

Brian Atlasthat you think it is. You look embarrassing. You look embarrassing. You guys wait just just wait a second. I got a little proposal here to maybe we can make some headway with it. Some some ground here. Uh, and I don't know if I'm

Brian Atlasusing this term correctly. What if we did this? So, it seems like both of you strongly disagree. What if instead of like kind of hold on, hold on. Instead of instead of like a constant like back and forth, you ask a question, he

Brian Atlasanswers a question, ask a question. What if I give each of you like you ask 10 questions, you respond to them without asking a question back, and then once he's asked his 10 questions, you then

Brian Atlascan ask him tw 10 questions to which he has to respond to. Sure. Without like asking a question. Is that Is that like an internal? 10 is a lot. That's going to Do you want to do like five? We could do less. We could do less, but that

Kyla Turnermight be more productive. Is that But I'm only going to answer her questions relevant to our topic. Amazing. So he doesn't have to answer the previous questions that he dodged. I'm not going

Jim Bobto answer irrelevant questions. If that's the caveat he's going to add to it, I refuse. That's what a debate would be. Why would you bring in irrelevant questions? engage with one another. The whole thing is to bring in irrelevant

Jay Dyerquestion. Did he ever answer the question absolutism versus objectivism at any point? They don't know. It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant what anyone else says about whether I don't owe you that answer. This is how debates

Jay Dyerwork. All you're doing right now is adopic is not on that's not today's topic. That was yesterday's topic, dummy. That first of all, we explicitly talked about that. Today we talked about how about it has to be relevant to the

Jay Dyertopic. No, I reject that because the questions I would like to get answered. Exactly. The questions I would like to get answered are the questions I've answered the entire time is talk about totally irrelevant other topics than what we're debating. That's the only

Jay Dyerthing you do. It's a destiny tactic and it's pure garbage. None of that is true. That's a crazy statement. No, it's not. Aging is rough for you, isn't it? Oh, so here we go. It's not an

Brian AtlasAre you bulking up still? Are you bulking up still? First of all, he he looks in his 30s. He does not. He looks He's a He's a handsome guy, but the reality is like he's terrified of being

Kyla Turnerlike he's terrified of what? Aging. Asians. Asian. But you have something against Asians. Asians. How am I? He told me before, by the way, he was like, "If there's any Asians there, I literally can't be there." Are there any

Brian AtlasAsian people here? I told a lot. I actually made sure there wouldn't be any here today. So, can I can I really appreciate that for this? This kind of exploded, but I didn't get a clear about the Asian thing. Yeah. That you're

Brian Atlasafraid of Asians? No, I don't think you're afraid of Asians. Did I say that to you? Is it No, I I literally just turned to Charlie and I said, "Just you know, it's Are you Asian?" God, I wish. No. Aging. You was talking.

Brian AtlasShe was talking about aging. That was That was me. I I made a joke. I made a funny uh So, no. No to the 10 questions. Okay. 10 question. Definitely 10 questions. That would be okay. Well,

Jay Dyerfive three. I'm not answering any of her gibberish. That's not relevant to the topic because her whole stickick is to bring in things not. Okay, then I'll just move it on. But I do want to say

Brian Atlasthat's not [ __ ] Uh, you were you were talking about male [ __ ] You were talking about male vaginas. That's not It ain't a vagina. It's a wound. It's not a vagina. It's not [ __ ] Okay. It's

Brian Atlasnot [ __ ] It's a literal wound. It's not [ __ ] Huh? What you were when you were describing the things like, well, if a if a man has Oh, like a mangina, like if he gets the vaginal plasty has like titties and the makeup and the wig

Brian Atlasand the vagina. And I was like, it's not a vagina. It's not. Don't call it a vagina. Like a like a vaginal plasty vagina isn't a vagina. Is that what you're saying? I just want to make sure I'm you were saying how a biological

Brian Atlasmale when they transition change their gender from uh from man to woman and they get the the the surgery some of them do that's a sexual distinction it's

Brian Atlas[ __ ] what is it it's a wound I guess it's not that's not [ __ ] it's a literal wound it's not a vagina it's a surgery wound it ain't a vagina okay please show some respect of vaginas I

Jim Bobknow you are very passionate about vagina I was very I don't mean to step on your feminism today. I'm so sorry, Brian. I saw your disagreement. Yeah, I could I could prove it's not a vagina if you think it is. If I got the same exact

Kyla Turnerum surgery done right here on my cheek, is that a vagina? Yeah, you'd have a vagina on your face. You got Yeah. Every single person who would look at you would be like, "Why is that dude got a

Jim Bobvagina on his face?" It's a real vagina. Yeah. Everyone would look at that. That's a real vagina. Well, it's not like a sis woman's vagina. What? in every way. If you a sis woman's vagina

Jay Dyeras opposed to what other real vagina mean do you have are you on meds? Because you literally don't seem like a sane person. Wait, hold on. Are are you saying that this you're this is really

Brian Atlasmisogynistic? Are you saying that instead of women having mouths, they should have vaginas there instead so they can't speak? I think that's what you're getting to. Hence, as a sole feminist here at the

Jim Bobtable, you're kind of being Can they utilize queefs effectively to form words? I will grant it. I'll allow it. Okay, then I'm I'm okay with this world. Oh man, that's crazy. Cuz you're basically

Jim Bobsaying something that's an impostor is identical to the thing itself. Like your knowledge of philosophy and yours apparently. It's not supposed to. You mean how you couldn't name anything? Do you want to Well, now that we're back to this topic, do you want to define

Lexi (Baker)objectivism versus absolutism since you brought it back there? My god, look at this poor girl in her sunburn. Holy [ __ ] What happened to you? Driving up. One drive, one way drive. Don't look. You should have turned around.

Brian AtlasHe was driving up here like skin attention to it. Um, okay. Kyla, your the rest of your notes here. Uh, you did a little squiggly line to you

Brian Atlasagree men are more privileged in society than women. Uh, it's that's like an iffy maybe one for you. Women are more privileged in a number of areas and men are more privileged in a number of

Kyla Turnerareas. In totality, or is it hard to say? In totality, I I genuinely I don't know. I haven't done the co I haven't done the cost analysis in my head. Okay. Do you want to bite on that one, Jay, or not so much?

Kyla TurnerHe doesn't want to talk about male privilege. That's so antithetical to everything he cares about. What? How do you know? Oh, sorry. Are you really passionate about how do you know? I'm just assuming based on your worldview. On what? Your worldview. How do you know

Kyla Turnerwhat that is? Well, if like you're pro patriarchy and all these sorts of things, I imagine that you wouldn't want to say something that like male privilege like men have more privilege because then you're like acknowledging something that sounds negative. But also, you wouldn't want to say that

Kyla Turnerfemales have more privilege cuz that would also answer the question. God did society. If you can't keep up with this at this point, Jay, that says a lot more about you than it does about me, right? Like

Kyla Turnerif you think I'm a child and I'm all these like bad things and yet you also can't understand what I'm saying, that's your issue. It's literal gibberish. Like what you say is gibberish. I'm not speaking gibberish. I'm speaking coherently. It's not coherent. You think

Jay Dyera vagina is a gash on a face. I get that you don't like what I'm saying. No, it's just total insanity. It's like talking to person on this like a bum in the street. It's like the type of like

Jay Dyerskitso gibberish that they say. It's equivalent to what you say. You're saying she's homeless. It's equivalent mentally the equivalent of being homeless. What is that? What do you even say like mental illness to a person on

Jay Dyerthe street? Like it's the same level of understanding of subjectivity that words are defined according to you and you can make them into In other words, there's no truth. It's a a I am I relativism is

Kyla Turnernot the there's no standard for truth from you. Relis opposite of absolutism. Uh objectivism is the opposite. Do we create truth or an objectivist? Do we create truth and a relativist exist in

Jay Dyerboth of these paradigms? That's a contradiction. Total insanity. Like you said, God's a relativist. Like when you said God's a relativist. Remember that? Remember that. This is why the notebook when you said God is a

SPEAKER_13relief. She drew something. She draws a meme. She draws a meme. That's what homeless people do. They scribble on. Do you guys want me? I mean to be fair. God, our [ __ ] are I just get some scribbles. I did see you

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