For The PERFECT Man, She WILL NOT Take His Last Name/Quit Her Job?! Jay Dyer! JB! | Dating Talk #242

Date: 2025-05-12

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSophia (OF LA)>

CCharlie Campbell >

KKelly Vargas >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Kelly Vargas(guest)

SPEAKER_04Charlie Campbell(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kyla Turner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Hyasin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sophia (OF LA)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jay Dyer(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jim Bob(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lexi (Baker)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentSophia: ex con-artist stole SSN, spent $20K+, faked stalking emails

Key MomentJay Dyer vs Kyla Turner erupts: 32 interruptions vs 7. Brian asks them to say one nice thing.

ControversyKelly refuses to take man's last name even for trillionaire. Extended double-standard debate.

Key MomentJay challenges Kyla to name philosophy books; she can't recall titles but discusses content of 5 Plato dialogues

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Hyasin, Kyla Turner, Lexi, Sophia, Charlie, Kelly, Jim Bob, Jay Dyer.

Sophia Con-Artist Ex

Ex sent fake stalking emails, stole SSN, spent $20K+, hacked socials.

Jay Dyer vs Kyla Turner Philosophy Debate

Extended debate spanning 2 episodes: feminism, patriarchy, relativism, Agrippa's Trilemma, Kant, Plato, Nietzsche. Chat counts Jay 32 interruptions vs Kyla 7.

Last Name Debate

Kelly refuses to take husband's name even for perfect trillionaire. Central double-standard flashpoint.

Body Count Round

Charlie: 13 (7M, 6W). Other guests decline.

Bear vs Man

Sophia and Hyasin choose bear citing SA experiences.

Transcript

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Jim Bobspeaking with some Can I make a t-shirt of that? You were hang you were hanging out with some helpless people. Ryan, why are you telling people that? Sorry. You're Asian, too. Don't tell J. Do you What you just said is absurd because if

Jim Bobyou're you hold both of those true, which one which one's the true one between the two? Objectivism and relativism. Yeah. Which one's true? These two things are not mutually exclusive concept. How is that? Okay,

Kyla Turnerdraw another. You should just so it's clear. I want you to tell me. Yeah, I will. I'm not giving you the lecture like you want me to degree. You should know. I want you to tell me because okay, objectivism

Kyla Turneris rooted in something like Platonic forms. It believes that there is a true sense of a concept like justice and that this is a universal essentially idea or construct that exists. Whereas

Kyla Turnerrelativism is way more interested in things like looking at uh the situation around something to gauge whether or not it's essentially saying you don't have to apply all law equally to every person because there's always so much more

Kyla Turnercomplicated going on to find things. So a good example of absolutism is Kant. He believes that basically all law should be applied equally to everyone. This is not the same as objectivism in any way, shape or form because objectivism just believes that there is a true concept of

Kyla Turnerlike justice. You said you were going to let me say this. Subjectivism basically rejects that. It's like derided that says there is no such thing as a true anything. There's no such thing as justice. There's no such thing as any of this. And this is where like

Kyla Turnerpostmodernist theory comes in. I am aist and a relativist. What are you? You don't understand Kant because you couldn't tell me one of his books. Oh wa buddy. Can you engage? What is Can you

Jay Dyertell me what his ethic is? Uh he's an absolutist. Are you asking like what's the name of his ethical system? Uh I don't know the name of his ethical system. He's an absolutist. But you just talked about Kant's. Do you disagree

Kyla Turnerthat Kant is what his system is? Is he not an absolutist? You don't know what his what his system is. God, just saying no, you don't. It's simple. Just say I literally just said that I don't know what it's called. But is he not an

Kyla Turnerabsolutist? You knowism. It's called deontological ethics. Deonttological. Oh, right. It's deontology. Do you disagree that he's an absolutist? What's the phenomen? You're never going to answer a question. You're just going to run forever to show that you don't

Kyla Turnerreference things that you don't understand. We will just keep asking you this question. Is Kant an absolutist? Is Kant an absolutist? Kant is I he believes in idealism. Is he an absolutist? He believes that everything

Jay Dyeris in the mind. And so in that sense, no. So he's not an absolutist. You heard it here, guys. Not an absolutist. Great. He believes in a What about Plato? He believes in a Let me finish. He believes

Jay Dyerin a duty-based ethic that he thinks you can ontologize to all people. He thinks you can universalize it. But he doesn't believe that it's absolute and it's objective. That's called the phenomenal numinal distinction. I didn't say

Kyla Turnerobjective and I didn't say he's an objectivist. I said he's an absolutist which you Thank you for agreeing with me. You said in your definition you said absolute was universal. Absolutism is a universal application of doesn't believe

Kyla Turnerthat. Thank you. Yes, he does. That's why he creator imperative which is essentially lying. He thinks lying is the only categorical imperative. deontlogical ethics that you can universalize every ethical situation. That's not refuting

Kyla Turneranything about the category. It shows that you don't know what you're talking about. I'm telling you, you're allowed to not know certain words, but you can still engage with the ideas. This is why, for example, you know what you would never do. Never talk to me about

Jay Dyerpsychology because you know you'd get [ __ ] So now she has to go to the the discipline that she came to. She isn't here to debate to because she doesn't know the discipline she's trying to debate. Why are you talking about Kant?

Kyla TurnerYou don't know any of his works. You don't know the basics. Jesus Christ. Name name one of Kant's books. Knowing books is what name one of his name one writing. That would be simple. Just one. I've already told you I don't know the

Kyla Turnertitle of any things. I don't even know the title of William Castello's articles that I'm saying. I have no I don't memorize titles. Did you read any of Kant's books? I did. I read one of them. You said three earlier now. Which which

Jay Dyerone? Uh I don't remember. Was it three or one? Uh I think I read one. Uh but you said three earlier. Uh maybe I was wrong. or you lied. You just lie about what you

Jay Dyerthink you know because you're on a performative debate setting and you totally failed. Which is crazy because you'd think that if I was such a liar and such a stupid head, you could just answer my questions. You just got shown

Kyla Turnerup that you don't you don't know the difference between you want me to help you out. You don't difference between these words. You don't understand the question. You think a dunk for me is not knowing title. You came to debate topics

Kyla Turnerthat you don't know anything about. Remember when we talked about Haidiger last time and we agreed to debate topics silly thing to do? Remember when we talked name one of Haidiger's book and you agreed with name a Haidiger book. I can't I don't memorize you never read

Kyla Turnerany of this [ __ ] That's not true. You're a liar. I I'm sorry because you're lying and you got busted lying. The issue is Name one Haidiger book. Busted. Careful. I'll call you out again. Name one Haidiger book. I'm joking. I'm joking. Come on. Name one

Kyla TurnerHaidiger book. Jay. This is facious and please name one Higer book to show that you've read Hiding. I don't need to because you haven't. Have you read them? Memorizing book titles. Have you read them at all? Memorizing book titles is

Kyla Turnernot evidenceing a book. Can you define versus objectivism? Have you read? You said yesterday that the book Why did you Yes, I read Haidiger. Name one book. I can't. I've already tried. I don't memorize titles. No. Can you name

Kyla Turnerthe difference between Haidiger book? Because yesterday you said that they are synonymous. Being in time is a hideer book. A lot. Last time you said that objectivism and absolutism is synonymous, which is false. And you know that that's false.

Jay DyerCan you define the difference between these two words? The same thing. You were not using them in an equivocating way. Don't even [ __ ] try. That's not equivocation, you idiot. Don't you dare. Don't you dare. Give it a try. Can you name one philosophy book? What's the

SPEAKER_11difference? Name one. I've already gave you I just one Plato's Republic. Plato's Republic. Just one that you've read. Uh I've read parts of thus speaks theustra. Five dialogues is also a name of a book. Just because I don't know the specific

Kyla Turnerletter names doesn't mean that I haven't read the five. I could walk you through walk you through multiple dialog. The first dialogue is broadly about arate which is this idea of like purpose of things. So he goes into lions and how their purpose is to like kill and how

Kyla Turnerforks the purpose is to help you eat. And so the question of the first dialogue is essentially what is the purpose of humans? Because they're somewhere between demons and god. So what is their purpose? because it's certainly not dialogue. That's the first

Kyla Turnerone. The fifth one, for example, goes into friendship and friendships of virtue. And he talks about the three types of friendship. And he asked the question, how do you achieve friendships of virtue? And what are their values? This is why men su uh all of this proves that I've read

Kyla Turnerthese books. He's just mad because I don't know the title of the dialogue. I'm sorry if I'm able to cite you portions of what the book is about. This proves that I have engaged with the philosophy. You are squirming so hard

Kyla Turnerbecause you realize that you don't know the difference between these two words which massively calls into question your validity. You have not even once answered the question of the difference between absolutism and objectivism. Not

Jay Dyeronce have you answered it. You said they were synonymous. You said those are words that can be used in different systems based on the intention. objectivism and moral absolutism are defined very because you said just the

Jay Dyerwords and those words depend on the systems that they're using and the philosophers that use them. Nope. You uh you said that they were synonymous. This is what you do throughout debates when you ask people to explain and they start

Kyla Turnerto explain and you just go nope because in your mind that's actually an argument. Did you hear what he said though? This is like the unironic Darvo thing. You do what I do. meaning you hear what just define the

Kyla Turnerdifference. What's the difference? What's the difference? Jay, what what's the difference between absolutism and objectivism? I don't know why you're running from this question so much. It's fine. It's easy to ask this

Jay Dyerquestion and I can answer it based on the philosophers that are in question. So, we can talk about Randian objectivism that he's not going to ask about. He's telling you that the word

Jay Dyerthe words themselves depend on the context and the philosophy. agreed on idea about objectivism. Oh, who agreed on it? Broadly the philosophical body of academic. So you agree then there are

Kyla Turnerschools of objectivism schools. You can search these things. Thank you for making my point. Schools of them. You made my point. You just made the point. That's not your point. That's literally what he just I'm telling you my point. You idiot. No, you're not. You just made

Kyla Turnermy point. You're just running by obuscating. Look, you made my point about objectivism. I actually have to go back 30 years to Einran objectivism which actually isn't in school of you just you just proved his point.

Jim BobYou proved my point you idiot. No I did not. You just literally said what his point was. Literally m you mouthed it. You mouthed his point. What do you mean? No. I'm telling you you did. I agree with what you said, dummy. So you agree that there's a difference between

Kyla Turnerabsolutism and objectivism that they are not synonymous terms. And yesterday when you implied that they were synonymous terms to get a sick dunk on me, you were [ __ ] lying or [ __ ] said the same thing yesterday that the words are used

Jay Dyerby different philosophers and different systems and it depends upon which one. So you just won't answer. So I I said earlier that I could say that I'm individually a subjectivist. Let's try the next one. What's a grib? So just not

Brian Atlasgoing to Well, you won't answer that one. So let's answer you. He's answering the question. What's a gam? The grippers. The gamts. I got to read a couple. If you're going to talk about sex, you should probably

SPEAKER_01know what a gam I got to read a couple chats. So, I didn't argue with him. Put your swords away or donated

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Brian Atlasthank you for that. Appreciate it. Uh, okay. Really quick, some shout outs for Venmo Cash App contributions. David, thank for the 22. Lindsay, thank for the 20. Chad, thank for the 10. That's on Cash App. Laura, I think for the three

Brian Atlason Cash App and then Laura, I think for the 25 on Cash App, too. Appreciate it. If you guys want, we're doing $69 TTS if you want to get them in. We

SPEAKER_01have, let's see, uh Kenny here with a message. Thank you, Kenny. Appreciate it. Kenny's tax donated $69. Thank you, man. Chair 2's entire dialogue. Yep. Yap

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Jay Dyerpretty different, but yeah, we we No, you're not. You mimic every one of his movements all the way down to as somebody who worked with him as somebody who worked with him for a year and a half. And you thought that he was actually a good debater. That's why you

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Brian AtlasPuppy lady. Oops. Sorry, I meant butch lady. Piece of [ __ ] Poop emoji. What the [ __ ] Okay. All right. Thank you for

Brian Atlasthat. Um, we have Wrath coming in here in just a minute. Here, I'll just read JJ. Take destin. Oh, okay. That there. There it is. Thank you. Thank you. Roth

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Brian Atlaschange over, fold, hang, match socks, clean the lint filter. Thank you. Thank you, Raph. Thank you for the TTS. Appreciate it. Kyla. Next note here. You

Brian Atlassay it's sort of wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns him down for sex. You also, Kelly, you also agree with that. If uh the

Brian Atlasgirlfriend uh or wife regularly turns him down for sex, wrong for him to dump uh them in that. Why? Why is that? Here, why don't we

Kelly Vargasstart with Kelly, then we'll go to Kyla. I think the pressure of having to engage in sexual activity shouldn't

Kelly Vargasrely so much on the destiny of a relationship. Like I feel um it's not fair essentially. Like if a woman just doesn't want to have sex all the time

Kelly Vargasand but she's still like having sex like it's not like all the time and the guy is not feeling satisfied and is putting pressure and it's putting the whole relationship in jeopardy because of that

Kelly Vargasone soul aspect. I think it's very shallow. Okay. Very shallow. There's so much more to a relationship than sex. So much

Brian Atlasmore. Would you would you uh yourself be in an asexual relationship? No. Well, that's very radical. Why are you asking that? Why are you asking

Brian Atlasthat? Well, you're saying that. So, I mean, I agree with you that there's more to a relationship Mhm. than just sex. Absolutely. But it's just kind of

Jim Bobinteresting. You you yourself I guess it's not a what priority I guess would be a good question. Like if there if we all agree

Jim Bobthat a relationship is uh composed of various aspects if sex I would say most people argue that it's a fairly important depending on their age uh

Jim Bobaspect. So what level of importance in like 1 to 10 is uh regular sex. Um I would say like the top three but it's not it shouldn't determine the destiny

Brian Atlasof a relationship. I don't think it's fair. I have I have a follow-up question. If a girlfriend of yours came to you and said, "I'm dating this guy. Things are otherwise pretty good, but uh

Brian AtlasI want to have sex and he's not giving me sex." Would and she was contemplating breaking up with him. Would you Oh, like definitely say that's not okay. Like you

Kelly Vargasshould have a conversation with him consistent. you should be uh at least having a conversation, mention it, and then if you were able to work through it and try to What does working through it

Brian Atlaslook like though when one person, whether man or woman, wants to have a higher frequency of sex in relationship and the other doesn't, but finding a compromise. Um maybe perhaps the person

Kelly Vargasis working so much and they don't have time to just be home and having sex all the time and maybe the other one is not, you know, they're stay at home or, you know, if if a guy uh was dating a woman

Brian Atlasand he stopped paying for dates, would that and she wanted him to pay for dates, would that be sufficient justification for her to dump him? If

Kelly Vargasthat's her top three and she doesn't like it, then that's her. If it's free will, yes, she can. Well, but so you indicated it was wrong for a man to dump his girlfriend if she regularly turns

Brian Atlashim down for sex. Let me change a little bit. Let's say it's a dead bedroom and they're not having sex at all. Mhm. She and it's on her part, right? He wants to keep having sex, but she's just not

Kelly Vargasshe's not about it. Justified to break up or end the relationship? I would say, especially even for marriage, um you're supposed to really work through things.

Kelly Vargasthat's till death do us apart. And to just really break something without working through it and trying to find a compromise or middle ground or maybe there's a reason why they're depressed. They they're not really focusing in in

Brian Atlastheir sexual activity. There's so many things to talk through then it's not just surface level black and white. Well, um, sure, I guess there could be problems. Uh, but what if those problems

Brian Atlasare attempted to have been worked through and she still just doesn't want to have sex? Then that's a problem. Yeah, that that would indicate I would just end the

Kelly Vargasrelationship then. But you would say you would say it would be wrong to end the relationship for that reason. I think I came from the perspective of like I've been in um relationships before where I felt pressured to engage in sexual

Kelly Vargasactivity and I just didn't feel comfortable and that was enough for them to be like you know this is not going to go anywhere and I felt pressured to give that to them to keep them around and I don't think that's right. I think at the

Kelly Vargasend of the day, like a woman should be able to say no when she doesn't want to. And there's so much more to a relationship than just feeling ultimately drawn to sex. Like that. Yeah, I I agree with you that a woman

Brian Atlasshould say no and that should be 100% respected. But I don't think I would fault the man who entered into this relationship with the expectation that it would be a component of the relationship would be

Brian Atlasthat it would be a sexual relationship. and then she's kind of walked this back. I don't see think there's anything wrong with him uni well him ending the relationship for solely that reason. Now

Kelly Vargasquestion you mentioned let's say it's a dead dead bed they're not having sex at all. Did this happen since the start or did it just happen towards the end? I'd say it's usually a more progressive thing. So it's maybe the sex life was

Kelly Vargasbetter then it became worse and then it became non-existent. So to me it sounds like they got into relationship for They were sexually compatible. Now something is happening within the relationship within themselves or the relationship

Brian Atlasthat's causing this to happen. What if the guy is not doing anything and it's just on her? It's just her part. What do you mean? I don't know. She's just doesn't like she she's not into sex

Kelly Vargasanymore. He's otherwise treating her just the same. Is that like a common occurrence for a person that's sexually active at the beginning to just suddenly be like no? I don't think

Kelly Vargasthat's very common. I mean, I'm sure there's scenarios. I'm I'm sure there's like not a never in that. Maybe there's a scenario in a case, but that's like an exception, I would say. And commonly like there could be a relationship is

Kelly Vargasthrough waves. You could be going through a financial uh instability, a job loss, a death of a family, and like you you're not thinking about sex all the time. And Sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

Brian AtlasI'm not like if uh for example, like your girlfriend is sick, like let her recover. Like you don't need to be pressing for, you know, I think you can give somebody grace in moments of even

Brian Atlasif you're horny, like, okay, she's like feeling really terrible. I let you know, we don't need to have sex right now. Um, but if it's like if we're looking at a

Brian Atlasconsistent pattern where she's otherwise okay, but she not having sex as frequently as he would like. I don't see what would actually be

Kelly Vargaswrong with him breaking up with uh his girlfriend. To me, it's situational. If they are working, they talked about it, try to work through it, and it didn't work out, then it makes sense to break

Kyla Turnerit off. If it just there was no conversation, and it just abruptly ended things, I don't think that's fair. Okay. And then Kylo, your position on this? It would basically be like it depends on why she's withholding sex, right? So, if

Kyla Turnerit's like to spite him, um, I think that that's a pretty good reason to end your relationship. Like, that's a terrible relationship. if she just had uh you know vaginal birth and she's in a fair bit of pain and needs time to heal even

Kyla Turnera fair bit of time. I think good partners are like patient for that. So it just it really depends on like what her reason is and what level of steps she's taken to like rectify that issue so that they can come back because partners need to have sex with each

Brian Atlasother. It's a really important part of relationship, right? What is I I mean this maybe this is a bit of a dicey conversation. What is the Christian perspective on on this? So you guys are

Brian Atlasmarried, the hus the wife's doesn't want to have sex anymore. Um I don't know what that is. Like do you believe in spouse or rape? That would be like the question. Uh essay.

Jim BobLet's try. Uh no. I mean um I think that's a case uh generally speaking that Christians have a pretty good sex life. And if that

Jim Bobwere to occur and it was a problem, uh, that's something that could be talked about independently with a

Jim Bobpriest. Um, but then there's other aspects like if someone's like sick, you mentioned like let's say it's an a a terminal illness. I'm actually not sure

Jim Bobwhat the pathway would be for expectation of sex given that the person's not temporarily ill. like does it does it suddenly bring into question

Jim Boblike do you have six sex do you have like like I don't know how that would work honestly I don't know the answer to that question for every single uh situation Jay I mean there's the notion of the marital debt which is the idea

Jay Dyerthat in the marital relationship both parties are expected to sacrifice and engage in things that the other party might not necessarily want and that's ex that's expected when you go into the

Jay Dyermarital relationship. So, there's going to be times when that happens with both partners. But I think that it's irrational. It's unreasonable to have the expectation that people should be

Jay Dyeralways having sex even at situations where it's like damaging or something like that. So, no, there's all things within reason and uh so yeah. Okay. Uh next thing, a woman's past should not

Kyla Turnermatter. To which Sophia, you agree. And then Kelly, you agree. Can I ask just a quick follow-up question? I'm pretty sure I'm just genuinely genuinely curious because I don't know the Eastern Orthodox answer to this. Um, do you guys

Kyla Turnerbelieve that like spousal SA can exist? Like, can a wife for like and assuming it's not medical, right? It's like other reasons. Can a wife say no to sex um and then the man still have sex with her

Jay Dyeranyways? Like, is that legitimate or would that be viewed as bad? I actually I'm genuinely I don't know the answer to that. I mean, she can do that and the expectation is that the reasons are rational, that there's good foundation for that. What if there what if she's

Jay Dyerjust like, I'm really not feeling it. Like, she just if she persists in that, that can become a case for there no longer being a marriage for dissolving, but he wouldn't be allowed to like have sex with her anyways, despite what she

Brian Atlassaid. Violate people's will in that way. Gotcha. Okay. Uh, woman's passion not matter. Uh, you agreed. You agreed. Why

Sophia (OF LA)is that? I agree with it on both parts. Like you just put women, but I think like women and men's past should not matter. The past is the past. Can't do anything about it. Sure. What about the

Jay Dyerconsequences though? Like what consequences of the past? You don't think that matters? Like what consequences? Like people's actions, like who they've been with, if they've had kids with

Sophia (OF LA)other people, like nope. Nothing in the past matters. I mean, if we're talking about kids, like obviously the kids are going to be a part of the picture. I guess I'm conf like I'm just talking about like body counts, people you've

Jim Bobbeen with, like things you might have done that you wouldn't do now. How do you How would you determine that that doesn't have a consequence on you, let alone someone else? You wouldn't, but I wouldn't judge somebody based on what

Brian Atlasthey've done in the past. What if I had AIDS or something? That's that. Okay. Yes. Okay. Cool. Consequences matter. Does matter. And

Kelly Vargasthen uh your answer why uh a woman's passion not matter. I also agree that it should be women and men. I just think anyone's past is their past. Um if you're focusing obviously no I think you

Kelly Vargasshould definitely take into account like if it's a huge mistake they did. But I don't think if they're working through it and they're trying to change I I what's there what's what's there to keep

Brian Atlasbringing it up? Three three question uh a couple questions for the both of you. Uh so within the context of body count right because I could give a bunch of examples but when it comes to body count

Brian Atlasum to uh you Sophia would you date a guy who previously had sex with men? Yeah. I mean if they're by you you wouldn't have Yeah, sure. he's by you

Brian Atlaswouldn't have any issue with it. No, there wouldn't be some component of a man who just

Brian Atlashad I'm not going to say it, but uh just had uh carnal knowledge of a man a week before meeting you.

Sophia (OF LA)That's sexuality. That that would be that they're they're by and they chose to be with a man and now a week later they're choosing to be with a woman. I don't feel like would you wouldn't make any like So you would date a guy who I

Brian Atlaswould date a by man. Okay, fair. And then Kelly, would you date you you're old school and traditional? Would you date a guy who previously slept with men? So I I feel

Kelly Vargaslike the old school traditional like it's being like labeled forget that. That was just some banter. Um no, I got you. But I would say yes, I'm open-minded towards sexuality. Okay.

Brian AtlasSo, you would date a guy who gets had sex? I have sex. It's not sex. PB in

Kelly Vargasthe poop. Wait, you've had sex with gay men? No. Bisexual men. Bisexual. So, so they're also gay. So, um I just the gay

Brian Atlasto me seems like they just only like men. Bisexual is like indicating would you past doesn't matter. Would you date a guy? Uh, who cheated?

Brian AtlasI did. I sure you did. But is it is it your preference? Like, would you prefer to date a guy who has no history of infidelity or a guy who has cheated on on every single girlfriend he's been

Sophia (OF LA)with? Uh, obvious No, I wouldn't I wouldn't want to cheat uh be with the cheater. Okay. What about you? Yeah. No, I can agree with like the cheater thing and all of that. I guess when I'm

Sophia (OF LA)looking and answering that question, I'm not thinking that deeply into it. I was like thinking about the rest of your questions. Okay, but just to be clear, you guys would date a guy

Jim Bobwho gets [ __ ] in the ass. A bisexual man. Just say I want you to repeat after me. I will date and I don't think it's that crazy of a guy. Well, no. You You

Jim Bobguys soften what it is. You try to make it like it's a sexuality. It's not even sex. All right. It's not sex. It's literally not sex. But you're saying gay sex is not sex. No, it's not

Jim Bobsex. Is oral sex not sex? Not really. So penetration is not sex of any kind. Some It's like some type of sodomy or mutual masturbation. Even if they reach orgasm, it's still not sex. If I reach orgasm

Kyla Turnerfrom banging a refrigerator here, if you want to be pure and stay a virgin, just [ __ ] in the ass. Then you're safe. Can I have sex with a tree? I disagree with you, Bob, on this dating. Can I That's

Jim Bobwhat I just said. Is masturbation sex? No, it's sexual activity. No. Look, we're talking about intercourse. what's considered sex between two people. Okay, we're we're this is where the definition

Jim Bobyou guys run with the definition and then soften what it actually is and and then it's a way of basically uh am it's it's you're basically making ambiguous like you're making it like oh it's just

Jim Bobthis thing that they do. For instance, Kyla, you're are you like in favor of homosexuality? What do you mean? Like do I do I personally Well, cuz you say you're a Christian, right? Yeah. Do I think it's fine for other people to choose to be gay? Yeah. Do you think uh

Kyla Turnerdo you think a marriage between two dudes can be consummated with sodomy? Uh like in a spiritual sense? Yeah. In like a meaningful sacramental way? Uh like at a spiritual level. I'm not sure if that would be viewed like legitimate. I'm not

Kyla Turnersure my theology on that specifically right now. Uh because I'm not sure if I'm convinced that at a Christian level that like two two men can be like unified spiritually. Why why wouldn't you know that if you call yourself a Christian? I don't understand. uh if you

Kyla Turnerwant to get into like the theology of it. There's like an important thing of understanding like what the key words were when they're talking about it and what they actually mean. We can like get into the accret I don't want to get into

Brian Atlasa Greek like a I have to move it on from this but uh so going to uh Kelly going to Sophia if past doesn't matter we're speaking about body count uh like should

Sophia (OF LA)men not care about body count basically like your body count if they want to focus on it that's on them. I think it's shallow. It's shallow. What about you? Are we really like are we asking for people's body counts like when we're

Brian Atlasdating them? Like are you going on a date and being like, "What's your body count?" before I Yes, we are. You are. First, not even on the dating app, first

Brian Atlasmessage. What's your body count? You strumpit. No, I don't care. So, if past doesn't matter, uh, what's your body

Brian Atlascount? I've never actually counted. Uh, we have time. Go ahead. Oh my god. Do I have to? Yes, you must. Okay.

Brian AtlasTwo million. I see that. I You give off [ __ ] a nation vibes. Thank you. The entire nation of Qar. Yeah,

Sophia (OF LA)something like that. It's uh maybe like half of Norway, you know. Um so do you want to give us the real answer there? Um, I don't think past not mattering should be the reason that she outs

Brian Atlasherself to the Hold on. Let's let her answer. It seems like she might answer. So, I'm just saying I'm not going to answer. I mean, I don't really I'd rather not. Do you want to do a range? It's like you could say

Kelly Vargasbetween 200 and 300. Do you want to do that? If we can all do it, then yes. Not just I think all the women here will do that. If they all do it, yeah. Why do I have to? So, why don't you go first?

Brian AtlasDo you want to do a poll and see if all the women will actually do that? Men should be included. I kind of believe they will. So, I think I heard Sophia wouldn't do it. I feel like I don't know. That might have your You feel like

Brian Atlasyou're trying to make her do you know what consent is? Oh my god. Do you know what consent is? Uh I didn't consent for you to wear that necklace today.

Brian AtlasYour necklace graping me right now. Okay. Okay. So, anyways, eye graping me with Anyways, whatever. Um, do you want to do it or if we pull? Okay, I'll ask somebody else. Uh, body count going this

Brian Atlasway. I refuse. Do you want to do a range like one to You don't have to give the exact number, but it's 10 to 20. Something like that. No.

Brian AtlasOkay. What about you, Sophia? I already said I wasn't gonna. Do you want to do a range? Is it over 10? Over two. the two

Brian Atlaspeople I've dated. Okay, sure. I believe it. What about you? I would, but I prefer not to. You huh? I would for the show.

Lexi (Baker)Do it. Wait. Wait. You're Lexi. You're a homie. You're the homie. You're You're a big fan of the show. You got to I know. You got to be But going into it, I That was the one question I didn't want to

Lexi (Baker)answer. Just more out of respect for people. I just don't know if I want. I'll tell them, but I just don't know if I want. Do you want to do a range? No. Okay, Kyla. I'm just going to stick with

Hyasinthe girlies at this point. Yeah. No. Oh my god. Solid [ __ ] solidarity. What about you? I I feel like be a Yo, be a [ __ ] legend. Be a legend. So, I am

Jim Bobvoluntarily celibate. So, I've been with like 10 to 15 max, guys. W's in W's in the chat for 10 to 15. I say W is the opposite. I think it's progress that

Jim Bobthis show has progressively produced women who have acquired some level of maybe shame or maybe they don't want people maybe it it's the case that it actually does matter that maybe maybe

Jim Bobthere's a reason you don't want people to know that it's not just personal I understand that aspect but there is something about it that kind of has a sense of a devaluing for yourself and

Jim Bobthis I I think this still applies to men it's not in the same way but I think It's a good thing for women to stop uh celebrating their body count or stop like even feeling like they should share

Kyla Turnerit. Let's test this. Uh if you guys if I asked you off show later, would you tell me what your body count is? Would you be comfortable letting me know? I'd rather not know. Would you let me know privately? I probably would. Yeah. Okay. So, I just genuinely think it's none of

Sophia (OF LA)anyone's business. Like, I said pass shouldn't matter, which means the number shouldn't matter. Gotcha. Would you share with me your body count privately off afterwards? It wouldn't. Would you share with me privately? No, the body count. Okay. So, I don't know if it's

Lexi (Baker)shame that's doing this necessarily, right? Like sometimes shame. It's because of shame. Mine isn't insanely high, but I would say it 100% comes from a place of shame. I just think I mean for me with my religious beliefs, I think anything outside of marriage is

Lexi (Baker)shame. Wait, are you Christian? I'm Christian. Yeah. When you say you're religious, are you waiting until marriage? Um, I that's something I'm trying to figure out. I kind of want to after my whole the whole celibacy thing with the Muslim guy, I'm kind of like,

Brian Atlaswell, maybe I should, but How long have you been celibate? Um like a year and a half. Two year and a half years. Yeah. Um question though. If you were asked on a date privately, not on this podcast,

Brian Atlasif a guy genuinely asked you cuz he wanted to know what your body count is, would you then answer give the answer? Yeah. Wait, sorry, what? I was thinking of a different question. Would if you were on a date with a guy, you're not on a

Brian Atlaspodcast, he's just asking you privately, would you give him the answer? Oh, no. You wouldn't? No, I just said that. I don't think it matters, right? But it matters to him. Then he I don't know

Brian Atlaswhat to tell him. So, let's say he's the perfect guy. Perfect guy. But you don't know. I mean, I guess you could like try to sus it out by being like, "Well, what

Brian Atlaswould be too high of a body count for you? Perfect guy, but in order for this courtship to progress, he wants to know and he's going to want an answer. Would you tell the perfect guy your body count? And it could go either way. It

Brian Atlascould be like he's like that's acceptable or it's not acceptable. So would you tell him then? No. If so wait, you would lose out. So you'd lose out on the perfect guy and he he might be totally fine with

Brian Atlasyour body count, but you don't know until after you tell it to him. You'd lose out on the perfect guy because you wouldn't want to reveal how many sexual partners. What makes him so perfect? Like why is he forcing me to tell him something? I don't know. What's the

Jim Bobperfect idea? Whatever that is, that's how perfect he is. Also, if it didn't matter, you would actually say it. For instance, like does it does it matter what type of like um meals you like

Jim Bobnecessarily? Just like what does that have to do with people? What kind of what what's your favorite meal? What does that have to do with I'm giving you an example of something that doesn't actually matter. What's your

Brian Atlasfavorite meal? I don't think it matters. High value traditional men don't ask those types of questions from the jump. Well, no. I wouldn't want to actually I wouldn't want to ask that. No, they don't. They don't, Brian. Uh, yes. Actually, I think a high value

Brian Atlastraditional guy, this would be a perfectly acceptable metric by which he could make a determination as to whether he'd want to date. Are you dating anybody? How would that be relevant? I would grant you not off the jump, but eventually they're going to Are you

Charlie Campbellsingle, Brian? Yeah. How would that be relevant to the argument at hand? It's relevant because you're saying that this is a good metric, but if you're single, I'm saying like I'm not going to go to some homeless separate class in real

Brian Atlasestate. Are you pro-choice or pro-life? Me? Yeah, I'm pro. It's none of my business. That's okay. You're pro-choice. That's it. That's the end. That's my argument. So, okay. None of my business. I'll ask a different way. Uh,

Charlie Campbellare you fine with other women getting abortions? It is none of my business. That is my That is my answer. I'm telling you that is my answer. And it's not changing. It is none of my business what to other people. How about this? Do

Brian Atlasyou if if there was a vote that the government that it was a vote to the populace, the entire populace, yes, abortion should be legal. No, abortion should be outright banned. Do you say yes, abortion legal, or no, ban

Brian Atlasabortion? Legal because it's none of my business. Okay. So, you're pro-choice, but you have that opinion on it, right? It's none of my business. Yes. Um, is there any position that you have

Brian Atlasany like is there any uh topic that you have any position on? Yeah, I think um gay people should be allowed to marry.

Charlie CampbellI think I think sex between by saying that for example to go back um saying that sex between two men for example isn't actually sex you're basically

Charlie Campbellsaying is rape is rape is if a man rapes stop if if a man essay is another man. I I'll stick it to the specific topic we're having though. So uh do you

Brian Atlashave any political leanings whatsoever? I do. I'm left leaning. You're left leaning. Okay. What do you think about like the war in uh Ukraine? Like, is it bad? I'm truthfully not informed on the war in Ukraine. Okay. Is war bad?

Charlie CampbellIt depends. If it's an objective evil, like the Nazis in World War II, it's none of your business say that war is justified. She's given multiple opinions throughout this entire conversation. She which means it is her business. No, you can have the opinion that she wants to

Jim Boblike basically abstain from an opinion on one thing, right? Like you're a it's a performative contradiction that he just Yeah, it is. to vote on something is to say it is your business because you're participating in a way that it makes it free will. She would probably

Jim Bobprefer it to be between the doctor and the woman. But if it wasn't if it really wasn't any of your business, you actually wouldn't vote at all on it. I would do my civic duty and vote. So it

Charlie Campbellis your business. No, that's what you It's between a woman and her doctor. Who's your woman or their them? Like a woman and her doctor.

Jim BobA stranger. Is that her business? a woman and her is your vote in Is giving you the answer. Is your vote influencing another woman? Her business.

Charlie CampbellIf my side wins, then yes. So you So it is your business. There's no way escaping this. I'm just trying to say that like if somebody has an abortion, they shouldn't have to tell

Brian Atlasanybody or justify it. Look, the the the point I was trying to make the point I was trying to get at is you're trying to say, "Well, Brian, uh are are you currently in a relationship?" because who are you to speak on this? So, in any case, you're pro-choice, right? So,

Brian Atlasyou're in favor of abortion. So, frame it that way. Yes. Sure. I'll just go ahead and frame it that way. Have you had an abortion? No. Okay. So, why are you allowed to make a determination on whether abortion should be legal or not

Brian Atlasdespite you never having had an abortion? In that same way, that was a rhetorical question. In that same way, my relation my my personal relationship status would have no bearing on my

Brian Atlasability to make a determination as to like what would be uh perhaps good conduct on someone else's behalf. No traditional woman will ever wear her body count on her sleeve. Would a

Charlie Campbelltradition So, I'm saying that you guys seem to like you guys want traditional women. No traditional woman will ever tell you her body count on the first date. That's maybe like third or fifth date, but the first date you're tripping. If we take it to the ultimate

Brian AtlasI mean a traditional woman would be a virgin. Like if we if we look at the ultimate manifestation of like a traditional woman, she would be a virgin. Her body count would be zero. I don't see why she'd be Well, there's also traditional women that [ __ ] up according to their

Brian Atlasown worldview, right? Yeah. I think you can still be a traditional woman and not be a virgin. But this idea that the traditional woman would not share her body count is dubious.

Charlie CampbellI disagree. Why? Okay. Why? Because it's Why should somebody have to say that on the first date? That's not about the first date. You said the first date. I'll take sure I'll take you said

Brian Atlasthe first date. You guys have been saying the first date. Yeah. I think it's totally fine to ask. It's fine to ask before the first date. Before. Yeah. If you're messaging or something, you can ask that before. You know what? I

Brian Atlasagree with you on that. That way I can unmatch you quick as [ __ ] the moment you ask that. If if you were a woman who also who also was like, "Yeah, I think body count matters." I don't think most women are going to have an issue with

Brian Atlasthat question being asked. I think most people have an issue with that. So it does matter. They have an issue with it because it's a reflection. It's a reflection of your own promiscuity. Well, what's your body count, Brian? How would that matter? Because I'm asking

Brian Atlasyou. Let's say let's say it's a thousand. Why would it matter? Give me a real body count. You asked for her real one. If if it was a thousand or if it was zero, why would it matter?

Brian AtlasExactly. No, I'm saying why would it matter as it pertains to my argument? It doesn't. Do you think Okay. Do you think murdering somebody is bad? Body count doesn't matter. Do you think murder is bad? That's crazy. Murder.

Jim BobYes. Have you ever murdered somebody? No. Oh, so why are you allowed to have an opinion on murder if you haven't murdered somebody? If because it's bad. Look, if if body count, look, it's really simple. If body count didn't matter and someone uh you you're texting

Jim Bobsomeone for a potential date and they also thought it didn't matter, but their position was because it doesn't matter, I could ask it. It's it's a it's either or. So, why wouldn't you just answer it? Well, she already conceded that you

Kyla Turnercould ask it by third or fifth date. No, but she said I would unmatch, right? It'd be really weird if on Tinder within like the first two hours of talking to somebody, they ask your body count. It's her position. Hold on a second. said it

Kyla Turnerwould be weird. I know you're talking for her. That's weird. So really, you two would like to hurt everybody here. Number one, you said that I'm the exception because I'm the debater. So it's

Kyla Turnerreasonable for a second. You also both of you have been back and forth together when you get stuck on a question. So it's completely reasonable that I can answer and help her out with her answers when she's dealing with people. It

Jim Bobsounds like It sounds like you're saying on the like early on it's very aggressive, right? It's like it's like personal, right? I agree with that. Okay. But if it doesn't

Jim Bobmatter like it's almost like how would it be different than saying um you know what what's your favorite color? That doesn't really matter either. I I can say that later on as you get to know the person it can't it should be a

Jim Bobconversation worth discussing. So it doesn't matter. But on the very first date or even before that absolutely not. Fine. Fine. But you you're you are agreeing that it does matter because it actually warrants a type of

Charlie Campbellconversation. Not does ma when I say does matter. I don't mean it does matter as in that's a make or break. I'm saying it does matter as in if that truly is something you care about. As I get to know you, I'm open to sitting down

Brian Atlashaving a need and need conversation and talking to you about it. Do uh is hookup culture good or bad? It's bad. It's bad. Okay. So why would a conversation which

Brian Atlaswould tend to move a person away from wanting to date somebody who engaged in hookup culture, this would be a form of social shaming. Why why would it be view if you were like yes hookup culture bad

Brian Atlaspromiscuity bad? Why would it be bad for a guy who's essentially saying I don't want to date a woman who engaged in hookup culture who or who is or was promiscuous? You're basically something saying something's bad, but you're

Jim Bobsaying there shouldn't be any consequences. Why shouldn't there be any consequences if to something that's bad? Like, I'm so sorry. Can you say that one? If it's bad, if hookup culture is bad, and as Brian explained, if the

Jim Bobconsequence of something bad is that men want to know if you've been a part of something bad, right, to make their their they're basically going to make a choice. And maybe women will make the

Jim Bobsame choice with men. If it is in fact bad, if we agree hookup culture is trash, um bad things would have consequences. But how would you even that that may that basically means we're

Jim Bobwar we're totally warranted and justified in in digging in if you're participating in something bad. It seems reasonable. And if I can piggy back off of what Jim Bob's unless you wanted to give a

Brian Atlasresponse to I'll see what you have to say too. Uh so if to piggy back off this actually you the the framing I would give is as follows. A guy who's interested in asking you these sort of screening

Brian Atlasquestions. What's your body count or other screening questions as it relates to your past means that he's generally angling for long-term relationship or he's not don't take this word the wrong

Brian Atlasway. He's well I'll just say he's marked you as a potential long-term prospect. So, this should actually perhaps even be viewed. My framing of it would be this is actually a flattering question

Brian Atlasbecause a guy who just wants to [ __ ] you doesn't probably doesn't care what your body count is. But a guy who's angling for long-term relationship probably is a little more invested in your past promiscuity. If he's inquiring as to

Brian Atlasyour past, he's probably a little more invested in long-term relationship and he's maybe more uh long term. He's he has a Sorry, I'm No, it's okay. It's getting late here, so I'm kind of fumbling over my words a little bit, but

Brian Atlashe's more interested in the long-term relationship with you. So, you can be offended by it, but I think the actual framing I would provide here is he's actually doesn't just want to [ __ ] you

Brian Atlasif he's asking about your body count. I disagree and I would still unmatch him, even though he might be a higher value man by his concerns. I don't care. Interesting. So, I think I think having

Brian Atlasa a guy who's willing to potentially lose a woman by having these sorts of uh important at least to in his view important conversations. I actually

Brian Atlasthink that that's high value conduct in and of itself. A guy who's just like, I really don't want to lose her. I'm not going to ask her any questions that might offend her or I'm not going to make any, you know, put I'm not going to

Brian Atlasstate anything that might offend her at risk of losing her. even though this is this thing is something that I want in a relationship or this thing is something that I value. Uh, I think that that

Brian Atlaswould that would be highv value behavior in so far as hm I'm willing to lose the girl because this is this is a boundary and a preference and a standard that I want in a woman and if she doesn't meet

Brian Atlasit then I don't want her but I'm willing even if I otherwise would like the girl but her refusal to answer the question would then preclude her from my uh

Brian Atlasromantic pursuit he's willing to pass up on a woman under these circumstances. I think that would be high value. a guy who's pressed for [ __ ] and who's willing to sacrifice on his wants and

Brian Atlasdesires in a relationship. I think that's low value behavior. Also, I don't like the high value, low value metric, like uh terminology. It's kind of cringe, but just for the sake of the convo, I'll use it. Yeah. No, for sure.

Charlie CampbellUm saying that, oh, you don't want to answer um body count that precludes you from being a long-term partner. I accept those terms are agreeable. That's it. Okay. What about other things in a

Jay Dyerperson's past? Like, do you think that like what if he had a background like addicted to gambling or something like that? Would that matter? Chopped, gone. We're not dating.

Charlie CampbellUnless there's a there's an unless is is he actively like does he acknowledge this is a problem and I'm in like doing something about it? So, you're concerned with his past? I mean, but just not in

Jim Bobbody count. Gambling? Yes. Is he obligated to tell you if he had a a gambling problem? And by when?

Jim BobProbably when he starts like when we start mingling our money together. Sure. That's when I have a problem with it is like when our money starts becoming like his Let me ask you, is it fair for you to match up with the guy and then you

Jim Bobsay, "I'm sorry, this is out of nowhere, but uh do you have a gambling problem out of nowhere? You you just asked that. Would it be fair for him to answer yes or no at that point?" I mean, he can

Jim Bobanswer, he could not. It's up to him. I see nothing wrong with But asking is justified. Has he given me a reason to suspect that he has a No, you just know. No, you just kind of know for some reason you have in

Jim Bobthe back of your mind as a as a one of the things that you want to avoid. Yeah. It couldn't be past based thing like you're just like I want to know if you have a gambling problem and he's like that's that's random. Is he like he's

Jim Bobgoing to be you know you're putting on the spot, right? M but we're using this example because if you just swap the gambling uh and and reverse it and a man is asking essentially a very similar

Jim Bobquestion actually are you do you have a gambling problem because promiscuity is a gamble in itself. So, it's like, do you have a gambling problem with your vagina is what he's asking, right? And so, if it's fair to

Jim Bobask the man if he has some sort of background problem um that has consequences, he they should be able to ask the same thing back. I'm going to ask him if he likes it rough. What the

Brian Atlasmen don't want to marry the town bicycle. It's really that simple. Somebody sent in uh somebody sent this into me to be perhaps help me uh this will help me better explain this a

Brian Atlaslittle bit, but so basically when it comes to this like these guys not asking you questions to potentially screen you out. Essentially, women are just and I'm reading from his from his message he sent me. It's not a super chat, but it's

Brian Atlasreally good, so I want to read it. Basically, women are just really used to dealing with uh thirsty white knight sent men. They're gonna pla plate you for even the chance of a breadcrumb

Brian Atlasbreadcrumb of [ __ ] If they actually challenge you on anything or take a position you disagree with that reduces his chance of sleeping with you, like if you're some liberal chick and start talking about how you want open borders

Brian Atlasor want to give 10-year-olds puberty puberty blockers or whatever [ __ ] worldviews you have. If a guy wants to sleep with you, he's not going to challenge you on that. And that's for two primary reasons. They want to sleep with you and don't want to upset your

Brian Atlasworldview at the risk of losing out on the chance at [ __ ] And then there's just social ramifications for men who communicate these things. Um, so basically a guy who it just goes back to my point of if the guy's actually

Brian Atlaswilling to ask you a question that might offend you, it would point towards him being willing to lose you, which I think is probably would be considered I hate this [ __ ] term,

Jim Bobhigh value, but it's a man with options. Well, it's a man with conviction as well. It shows that he's stable in his convictions and his worldview and his morals and his ethics, which is, you know, coincidentally what women end up

Jim Boblooking for once they figure out they want to settle down because, you know, they're reaching that age and they realize that, you know, their life's not going to actually turn out the way they thought it was when they were 22. We

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Kyla Turnersomeone could oppose individualism. A Christian humanist is insane. Deas vant. Wild. I agree. It is wild. Yeah. Your

Kyla Turnerguys' fans are a lot like you guys where they're just I think in Twitter day I mean you said so many guys just be like you did this fallacy and this fallacy and I was like these [ __ ] don't know what any words mean. Like because

Kyla Turneryou're wrong. Yeah. probably don't know what a gameamt is yet. You don't want to go there. Can you read Tell me a book that you've read on human sexuality that's scientific nature. Um probably not here. I'm gonna move it on just for the sake of time. Gonna move it on for

Brian Atlasthe sake of time. Paul the postmodern. Let's see. We're going to do here. We're going to do these. What would you want the minimum yearly income to be for your future husband? Go ahead.

HyasinUm ideally maybe a h 100,000, but I don't have a specific like it's me not money. Kyla. Um, tilt your mic down a little bit. My future husband. Well, your current husband, I guess. Uh, I

Kyla Turnermean, for the last for most of our relationship, he's made like pretty low money, but zero for a large portion of our relationship. You're the bread winner in your relationship? By and large, I think for now, he's going to be making about 4K a month with his new job. He, now that our views are through,

Brian Atlashe can get a job again. Sure. And has that presented like any issues in your relationship or otherwise? Pretty good. No, we're pretty like good at talking things through. Lexi, what about you? Um, I said 48,000 4 grand a month.

Brian Atlas48,000. Okay. What about you, Sophia? I said 100 100k. Okay. Um, I don't know. Like, I don't really think about that if you want me to be honest. Okay. So, you would date a man

Charlie Campbellor a woman who uh like worked at McDonald's? I mean, no. Like, it depends. How old are they? Like, how old? Seriously? 30. 30, I guess.

Charlie CampbellProbably not. Um, my fiance, she makes a lot of money at the job she does now. She makes almost 200 a year. like 200,000 a year. What she do? I can't really get into it. Oh, you don't need

Brian Atlasto give like the the company she works for. Just is she an attorney? Is she CP accountant? She works with um she's a federal government. That's it. She works for the federal

Brian Atlasgovernment. So that's it. Is she the press secretary for Donald Trump? I can't say. I'm not allowed to say. Carolyn, what are you doing? What about

Brian Atlasyou? I'd say either the same as me or more. Okay. Um, and question, I forgot this. Uh, so you you're a singer, right? Uh, but do you have like a while you're

Kelly Vargasworking on the singing stuff, do you have a regular job? So, uh, freelance is what I do. So, along with performances and studio writing, I do background vocals for myself, other artists. I get

Kelly Vargaspaid that um for songwriting as well. I do teaching piano, guitar, voice lessons, remote, in person or um then

Brian Atlaswhat else? Okay. So, uh, how much do you make currently? Uh, roughly like 5K a month. So, like 60,000 a year. I think that works out. Actually, even more than that. Uh, so you would want a guy who

Brian Atlasmakes $60,000 a year or more. Is that fair? Yeah. Okay. And then you say uh and then you said when when you end up making so you know uh when you hit it big how much

Jim Bobyou how much do you think you'll be making the whole I wish like a lot of course yeah of course. Okay. Yeah. What do you think about Sorry I just wanted to uh What do you think about like AI

Kelly Vargasmusic and that whole technology? Um I've been asked about that frequently actually recently. I think it's I don't think it's so so wrong. We do get inspiration from it. Um I don't

Brian Atlasuse it. I'm not against it. I do think it's um quite weird. I don't know how I feel about it. Yeah. Well, they're coming for your job sooner, Jim Bob,

Brian Atlasthan the music. The the Yeah. Doodles. Doodles. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably. Um although they're also going for

Brian Atlasmusic. Uh well, they do, but uh wait. So, okay. Um, how tall are you and what's the minimum height of a man you would date? Starting with you? Um, 5'2 and I would date someone that's the same

Hyasinheight as me. Okay, Kylo, what about you? I'm 5'7. My husband is 56 and a half. Oh, okay. What about you, Lexi? 5'6 and 5'7. Sophia, what about you? I

Brian Atlassaid same. 5'2 and 5'2. All right. At least one inch taller than me. At least one inch taller than you. And you're 5'8. Mhm. What about you? Say at least

Brian Atlas510. And you're how tall? 5'7. Okay. Would you rather cross paths with a random man or a random bear on a hike? A

Charlie Campbellbear. A bear. Okay. Kyla, what about you? A man. All right, Lexi. Man. I said bear. Bear. I don't I never understood what that meant. I don't know the

Charlie Campbelldiscourse about it. Like what's the difference? Like literally a man or a bear. Yeah, literally. Probably a man. He could probably help me get to where I'm going. What about you? I wrote neither. If you had to pick though,

Brian Atlasum, I don't know. I feel like a bear is too much. A man. Okay. Uh, so to those of you who, uh, I think it was you picked bear and then you picked bear.

HyasinWhy do you pick bear? Um, because a guy can be more thought out about what he'd want to do to you. A bear is not going to torture you for hours, you know. Well, they could they could eat you

Brian Atlasalive. But essentially, you're saying the man could essay you, the bear would not essay you. Yeah. It'd be fascinating this. And then why do why do you Cuz I've had an experience that would make

Sophia (OF LA)me not choose the man. Mhm. Um Okay. And I've had like comments on my Tik Toks and stuff that would that made me deeply scared of going into the forest by myself. Yeah. But like bears don't have

Brian Atlassmartphones, so they can't really comment. They'd be wild. I understand. But if they did, they would say some crazy [ __ ] Grizzly bears. Not good. They'd say some crazy [ __ ] It's just based off experience. Based off experience. Okay. Uh I'm wondering if

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