For The PERFECT Man, She WILL NOT Take His Last Name/Quit Her Job?! Jay Dyer! JB! | Dating Talk #242

Date: 2025-05-12

Duration: 7h 50m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSophia (OF LA)>

CCharlie Campbell >

KKelly Vargas >

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_03Kelly Vargas(guest)

SPEAKER_04Charlie Campbell(guest)

SPEAKER_06Kyla Turner(guest)

SPEAKER_07Hyasin(guest)

SPEAKER_08Sophia (OF LA)(guest)

SPEAKER_09Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_10Jay Dyer(guest)

SPEAKER_12Jim Bob(guest)

SPEAKER_14Lexi (Baker)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduced

Key MomentSophia: ex con-artist stole SSN, spent $20K+, faked stalking emails

Key MomentJay Dyer vs Kyla Turner erupts: 32 interruptions vs 7. Brian asks them to say one nice thing.

ControversyKelly refuses to take man's last name even for trillionaire. Extended double-standard debate.

Key MomentJay challenges Kyla to name philosophy books; she can't recall titles but discusses content of 5 Plato dialogues

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

Hyasin, Kyla Turner, Lexi, Sophia, Charlie, Kelly, Jim Bob, Jay Dyer.

Sophia Con-Artist Ex

Ex sent fake stalking emails, stole SSN, spent $20K+, hacked socials.

Jay Dyer vs Kyla Turner Philosophy Debate

Extended debate spanning 2 episodes: feminism, patriarchy, relativism, Agrippa's Trilemma, Kant, Plato, Nietzsche. Chat counts Jay 32 interruptions vs Kyla 7.

Last Name Debate

Kelly refuses to take husband's name even for perfect trillionaire. Central double-standard flashpoint.

Body Count Round

Charlie: 13 (7M, 6W). Other guests decline.

Bear vs Man

Sophia and Hyasin choose bear citing SA experiences.

Transcript

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Kyla Turnergo to a debate, yeah, you should know it. You probably know what equivocating means when you cited because you use feminism two different ways. You cited it incorrectly. You said that it's making two things the same. You use the same word in a different way then why

Kyla Turnerdid you cite it incorrectly I clipped you lying dumb to try to claim something against me but it's an ad homonym from hypocrisy which you when I was looking for confirmation bias you cited gamblers dilemma gamblers

Kyla Turnerdilemma has nothing to do with confirmation bias it wasn't what I was looking for gambler's dilemma has everything to do from using past post talk hawk information to make predictions of the future has nothing to

Kyla Turnerdo with confirmation bias so you what you do is you cite a bunch The very thing you said was what I said to feel impressive. You're not talking to anybody but you don't know what you're

Kyla Turnertalking about. And you rely on presuppositionalism people who don't have like philosophical systems in the background spitting the little balls out of your mouth to this day like a hamster. You haven't solved a grippa's trilmma and you're stuck. You don't even know what that is. It has to do with

SPEAKER_11epistemology. I asked you what epistemology was. You didn't even know. I said what's justified true belief? Tell me. Tell me. You don't know anything about these. I can define it for you. It's infinite regression. It's dogmatism and it's circular reason why

Kyla Turnerwe're debating. It has everything to do with it because relativism is arbitrary. But relativism has never been viewed as arbitrary ever. It's a philosophy. You idiot. It's not appeal

Kyla Turnerto authority at all in the fact that nobody believed that is an appeal to authority because relativism is a foundation. It's appeal to the mass. The reason why it's not solving a grippa's trma is the same reason

Kyla Turnerpresuppositionism doesn't solve a grip. You don't understand regret all the time. You don't know what foundation that you fundamentally cannot justify any must be circular including you

Jay Dyerunderstand. You're repeating what you presupposition tries to solve by presupposing something but it relies on this only deal. This only fools idiots who follow destiny when you just yap

Jay Dyerbecause you think you're destiny average between garbage and your audience. Take a bet on it. Are you serious? the garbage person that you tried you tried to dissociate education

Kyla Turnerlevel between my audience and yours is your education. It maps on to IQ pretty well. Oh, really? Yep. It does. What? Like in the Canadian system that you were educated in? He's significantly

Charlie Campbellbetter. You didn't know what justified you got the answers, man. You got the answers. Aren't you guys trying to like destroy the Department of Education? You ain't got the answers. Swag. What? Aren't you guys trying to destroy the Department of Education? So, obviously

Charlie Campbellthe system sucks. If the system was working, then you wouldn't want to destroy it. I ain't drinking up. I don't believe the the state [ __ ] you say to me, little. Uh, I wanted to ask you, Kylo, how are

Kyla Turneryou? How are you not in [ __ ] school? What's the meaning? Oh, no. One second. Brian's got to get through his sounds. Oh, he hit all of them. It's called you kiss your mother with that [ __ ] mouth. Huh? What's the meaningful?

Jim BobWait, just I'm sorry. This is so distracting. The [ __ ] youth. You shut up when I'm talking to you. You shut your mouth. Is it stuck? Yeah, it's done.

Jim BobThat was so long. What's the What's the meaningful symmetry breaker between the tragedy of a man, his whole value being essentially the GDP of the house and the

Jim Bobcountry having uh that it's a good thing. It's not a tragedy that the GDP of the country is good. That's a good thing. But at the house level, which is a small country, it's a tragedy. What's

Jim Boba what's a symmetry breaker that makes one good and one eological fallacy, right? What's good at like What are you saying? Do you don't know what an ecological fallacy is? Look, I asked you the symmetry breaker. You You saying fallacy fallacy? No, I'm answering with

Kyla Turnerecological fallacy. If you don't know what it is, that's okay. I can explain it to you. Oh, you're so condescending. Just answer the question. You don't have to know all words. I actually don't think it's bad if you don't know what it is. But my answer to your question is ecological fallacy. If you want me to

Jim Bobexplain ecological fallacy, I'm willing to do so. Cool. Can you do that after you answer my question? My answer to your question is an ecological fallacy. So you can't answer it. So you won't answer it because it's you don't know

Jim Bobwhat that word means. Is a question a fallacy? How is a question a fallacy? And so the the question is an ecological fallacy. Yes, questions can be facious. So asking for a symmetry breaker. I want to know the meaningful distinction

Jay Dyerbetween the symmetry breaker is found in the ecological fallacy. Again, I can define it for you or you can define it here. But if you want the answer a grippa's what is that? What is agria's? It's something that she heard destiny

Jay Dyertalk about that she never heard Destiny talk about and has nothing to do with the thing that we're debating, but it's a way for her to deflect away when she gets cornered and she does it in multiple debates. She did it in their first debate, too. But it doesn't fool anybody else in the audience. That's why

Kyla Turneryou can't tell me what subjectivism and relativism are and how your position justifies. I can answer both of those things. You're the one who thought absolutism and objectivism are the same thing when they're not. The words can mean the same thing in the context. They

Jay Dyerdon't mean the same thing in philosophy at all. Yes, they do. Do you want to answer his question on a Grippa dilemma? Tell me how your position is true if it's arbitrary and it's if it's not arbitrary. How is subjectivism not

Kyla Turnerarbitrary? I don't use subjectivism. You were talking about Relativism is the same thing. Yes, it is. No, it's not. You're so stupid. It's the same thing. Okay. Do you want to tell me how it's different? Relativism is looking at the scale like a group of things and finding

Kyla Turnerthings relative to certain points. So for example, relativism would answer the simple philosophical question. If a man steals bread, is it bad? Relativism would go, why is he stealing bread? If you find out that he's in like a super tyrannical country and he can't feed his

Kyla Turnerchildren, most people called moral relativism. There you go. And it's purely subjectivism would say I what I like to do is what is right. It is fully centered on I and the individual. Relativism looks at like the outer

Jay Dyersituation and like utilitarianism is a great example of silly. You don't understand grammar. If I say I'm a moral relativist, that's a subjectivist position. It's not I'll draw here. I can

Kyla Turnerdraw it for you. So you understand you understand grammar. For those of you who are not familiar philosophy, I explain it to the lady. Listen to me. You're talking ais and there's a yaxis. On the

Kyla Turnerx ais would be absolutism. If I say I am this is like talking to she doesn't talk. So absolutism is like do you guys know Kant? You guys ever heard of Kant? Hey don't call people that. Sorry. I'm

Kyla Turnerso sorry. So Kant had this idea of absolutism which is that when we come to universal laws we should apply them to everyone equally in all ways. And the problem with absolutism is that it falls apart really quickly. And the only law

Jay Dyerthat he could find that worked really well for absolutism in way deontologist deontologist. is not what you're talking about. Deontology can be absolutist. Um, so when we're looking at

Kyla Turnerthe spectrum of absolutism to relativism, relativism would say stealing is bad, but it kind of depends on the situation. If I said I'm relative, so an example of relativism would be like utilitarian. If I say I'm

Jay Dyera moral relativist, is that my subjective state? Your statement, is it my subjective state? I am a moral relativist. Um, I I don't even know what you're trying to ask here. It's a simple

Kyla Turnerquestion. Well, the issue is that you're you'reating. I am a moral relativist. You're equivocating because you're using the word subjective. And in the next question, you're going to use subjective for a different purpose. So, subjective in this situation of faith is then when you when

Kyla TurnerI answer that question, what you'll do is you'll see subjectivism is a moral system, but this is very different from one another. Do you want to go into objectivism versus subjectivism? We can do that. Subjectivism. Objectivism is

Kyla Turnerlike platonic forms. Have you guys ever heard of Plato? Okay. Plato had this idea that essentially there was ideas that were true. So if we talk about justice, this is like blippy philosophy. You guys need it too apparently. So when we talk about like justice, is that

Kyla Turnersubjective or don't interrupt me or is that what you're saying right now? Is that subjective or objective? Plato's uh platonic forms. No, your account objectivism for his platonic subjective. Is your account of Plato is it

Kyla Turnersubjective or objective? Again, you're just doing an equivocation. You can't answer the question. No, there's no answer to your question. All you're doing is being bad faith. You're pretending. You're pretending to ask me something that's looking to adhere to

Kyla Turneractual response. But what you're actually doing is to equivocate the word afterwards so you can trick me. Do you want me to finish going through the Yaxis? No. Do we want to answer his question

Brian Atlason philosophy king over here? Nobody wants you to keep talking. We'll come right back to the conversation, but there's a bunch of chats that we have to get to. We've kind of been stalling on them. So, Alpha Pig, thank you coming. alphabetic donated $200. Thank you, man.

SPEAKER_01Society has lost the entire point of humanity, which is procreation and advancing itself. Ladies, do you disagree with that statement? If so,

Lexi (Baker)what is the point of humanity? [Music] It's a good question. It's subjective. You guys want to answer the answer? I

Brian Atlasagree. They they all agree. They totally understand the message that just Okay. Um, all right. Yo, Ogle, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships on YouTube.

Brian AtlasThank you so much, man. We also have a TTS coming in from Ogle. Uh, let's see. Wait. Society has lost the entire point of humanity, which is procreation advancing itself. Ladies, do you here? I'm I'mma get the rest of them to answer

SPEAKER_01that. Glue.net donated $200. Sorry, dude, but relativism is not subjectivism per se. A mouse is very small relative to an elephant but large.

Jay DyerI said I am a relativist. If I say I am a relativist and that's my subjective state. Could you name one Kant book? Can you name one book by Kant? Can you define one book dilemma yet? Are you

Kyla Turnergoing to keep running away from that? You're a contean. I'm not a contian. Okay. Can you name one book by Kant? I don't need to. It's so you don't know anything about Kant. You've never read You don't know a book. You don't know nothing. Define name a single book by

Kyla TurnerKant. Uh, not off the top of my head because you haven't read Khan. You don't know. You don't read. I've read three books by Khan. I don't remember the names of them. You haven't read three books by Khan. You can't name one of them. Philosophy. Name one of them. Name one of them. I don't need to. Citing

Jay Dyerbooks because you haven't because you lied. Citing books. You haven't read. Don't you think people who study at a graduate level can pick out when somebody thinks they know a topic and they start talking about it philosophy at a level and then they don't know a

Kyla Turnersingle things like the difference between objectivism because you're too dumb to you're too dumb to answer you think a word has one meaning yeah you think objectivism and the same bro it's the sense of the word in the context

Jay Dyerdetermines how I'm meaning it it's called intentionality in lang in in linguistic philosophy it's intentionality okay the intentionality between behind when I say I'm in a subjective relativism my position that

Kyla Turnerwould be my state that's my subjective state cool that's not what we're talking about though it's what I'm giving example that we're trying to define the difference between absolutely could you name one philosophy book that you've read uh the five the five dialogues by

Jay DyerAristotle Plato republic there's no book the five dialogues by Aristotle Plato republic those are two books that I've read so the five dialogues which one because Plato wrote a bunch of dialogues name one uh the one of the five I'm not

SPEAKER_11Sure. Plato's Republic. You don't know any of them. That's not a dialogue. Well, it's it's a long dialogue. I know you think that's what's one of the five dialogues. Is this where you go? You can't name your because like destiny,

Kyla Turneryou come to debates acting like you know what you're talking about. Name five. Did Bob not know anything about the government because he couldn't name one of the government yesterday? You said you read this though. Yeah. That doesn't

SPEAKER_11mean I memorized the name of the book. You could name one of the five. Surely. Uh, nope. Uh, because you haven't read it. Yeah, I have. So, you lied. I I don't know why you think this is such a You read five of Plato's dialogues on your friend right now. You're deflecting

Jay Dyerbecause you're looking like an idiot. You read five of Plato's dialogues supposedly and you haven't remembered one of them. What's a book that you read on? What's one of them? What's that? What's your favorite book? Name one of it. So, that's the two quotes. I've already said that I don't know the name

SPEAKER_11of the books, but this is not You said you read it and I think you're lying. I think you're lying about your entire book. We'll get right back. You guys can ask each other about books in just a moment. I don't want to ask because you

Kyla Turnerjust got exposed as a fake. You haven't read any mean. The three branches of the government check. You're sued. You haven't read any of this stuff. Hold on, guys. Hold on just a minute. Disagree

Brian Atlaswith that statement. So, I pulled this one back up cuz I don't I don't want to screw this guy over cuz he sent in a you know, he sent in a $200 TTS. If you guys can answer the question. Do you disagree with the statement? Society has lost the

Brian Atlasentire point of humanity which is procreation and advance. So do you guys agree that the entire point of humanity is procreation and

Charlie Campbelladvancing its society, advancing itself in like an animalistic way? Like yes, like that's like every species is continue procreating to keep it going.

Charlie CampbellThat's like yes, that's to me that's like not debatable. But because we're not what you think of when you think of animals, you know, cuz we're sensient, I would say that like sometimes that's

Charlie Campbelljust not every single person's goal. Some people aren't meant to be mothers. Some people aren't meant to be fathers. Some people would be a shitty mother or father. And uh frankly, we don't really need them in the gene pool, so to speak.

Sophia (OF LA)So like, if they don't want to procreate, then like don't. Do you want to weigh in? Do you want to weigh in? I don't know. That's just my two cents. I don't know. What do I know? Sure. I don't really even understand the question to be honest. It's too comp.

Brian AtlasAlpha pig, you're too smart. You're too you're you're way too smart, Alpha Pig. You got to change it. Here, let me read. There's about five other chats we have to get through. Uh this is ID bro. He

Brian Atlassays, "The reason why it's relevant is you were trying to say that he of the OT are the same as now, which is a blatant lie. You said King David is the same

Brian Atlastype of [ __ ] as Jewish people nowadays." Absolute airhead. What does that mean? This is like way back. This is like from yesterday. No, this is from the start of the conversation because he sent in

Kyla Turneranother one. He said they were uh Jewish people were patrineal. He's following up on that statement. Gotcha. Again, I I wasn't denying that they were patrineal for those like 30 years that he listed. The the issue is

Brian Atlasthat then they were matrinal after that. Like I don't know. They doesn't mean that they were matriarchy. They were matrinal. Uh we have BP here. He says, "I'm so glad the sun dying isn't

Brian Atlasinevitable because it didn't happen by ancient Roman times." And this came in about an over an hour ago. So, this is probably related to a different conversation we're having. I don't know what this is in reference to or sorry,

Jay DyerBP. It's yesterday. It's her argument that was so stupid about inevitability of feminism. And I gave examples of history where societies didn't have it, thus showing that it wasn't necessary and inevitable, which you didn't

Kyla Turnerunderstand. Oh, you're so smart, Jay. My god, I'm so blessed to be in space with you. Do you understand why that's the case? Is somebody tapping the typing?

Brian AtlasOh, okay. Okay. All good. All good. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. All good. Uh, okay. We have Jason Cassell. Chair 4. Do you know how ridiculous you sound? So, you had no agency made to do something

Brian Atlasyou never would have done on your own, but now you are on your own. You do that. Do that very thing. This is when you were saying your ex-boyfriend he got

Sophia (OF LA)you into you said he was uh piming you to do of basically. I said that word because he was taking all my money. Mhm. Okay. That's that's he was exploiting my

Brian Atlasbody. I I was too. But he was exploiting my body and taking the money from me. So yeah, that is a very He's He's saying now that you're on your own, you still do the thing that you feel I guess bad

Sophia (OF LA)about is what he's trying to say. I never said I felt bad about it. I said that I did things when I was 19 and 20 that I would not have chose to do on my own. Aren't you exploiting the viewers and taking their money? No, because they

Sophia (OF LA)will. I'm asking for you don't need to. No, you're right. You're right. I wouldn't say I'm exploiting anybody. People have a choice. You put your bank. So, you had a choice in doing what you're doing. So, you can't blame it on the guy then. I literally from the

Brian Atlasbeginning said I had a choice. No one forced me. I said I was delusional. I do have to move it on. We have Sandbox Explorer. Uh, looks like bought a Oh,

Brian Atlasthis is shop.what whatever.com. Bought a piece of merch. Looks like he bought uh bought a hoodie. Uh, thank you so much. Going to get a large. Appreciate it.

Brian AtlasThank you. Thank you. We have Renzo here. He writes, "I've been counting uh Jay's and Kayla's interruptions for each other. Jay 32, Kayla 7. This is

Brian Atlasfrom an hour ago, so it's probably outdated. When a person is confident in their position, they're open to hearing the opponent's argument. TLDDR uh too

Jay Dyerlong didn't read. Jay, shut the Wait, hold on. Oh, wait. Shut the [ __ ] out. Shut. I'll give you

Kyla Turner$100 if you can name one of the five dialogues that you claim you've read. I'll give you $200 if you can name Trillemma. I've literally said six times that I I can't name any of the books.

Kyla TurnerThat doesn't I haven't read them. Yeah. Could you name one of Kant's for $200? Again, I've already answered question. I know you think this is a crazy, but again, if this is true for me, so you don't do you remember what you do. You

Kyla Turnerremember what you wanted to do because he couldn't I never claimed to know anything about the government. But you were debating about voting and about rights about branches of government. So you want to change the subject. You don't know the three branches. Would you admit that you would

Kyla Turneradmit that you've not read because I can't name books and I don't know what I'm talking about. Usually people who've read the book remember titles. Just let them know. idols come to mind if you've read a book. Just let the merit of the argument exist if you can't refute them without falling back to like how many

Jay Dyerbooks. So your response is I guess you're getting a W. So you didn't read my point. So you didn't read the books. I did read the book. You're a su who lies about what she's read and studied and when you get called out better than

Kyla Turnerlying about my degree when I can't define the difference between absolutism and deflecting because you can't. Yeah. I didn't get tested the name of the book. I got tested on understand what the differences between. You didn't read the books. You actually didn't. That's

Jay Dyerokay. You don't know the context. So you That's okay. So you admitted you didn't. No, I read the books. I don't know. But you don't know any of the titles. Do you remember any book titles you've read? Uh

Kyla Turnerthe recent one. Oh god. I'm reading The Wandering In. Wanderer. So you do remember book titles. Well, I'm reading it like right now, right? So that wasn't exactly the best showing for a book I'm reading

Kyla Turnerright now. Yeah. Book titles don't mean that you know things. Nobody Nobody would ever say it means that you've read the book or you This is unironically facious thinking. It's funny. No, it's just showing that you're goofy. Yeah. You're going to use sick down. You're goofas. You're getting mad because you

Jay Dyerknow you're on the spot and you're engage with the ideas. You're so smart. Just like Destiny, you're a sued, Jay. If you're so smart, engage with my ideas. You're a sued. You could cite your books, too. But you if I thought that you knew what you were talking about, I would engage the ideas. Oh, so you're pretend you're performing as

Charlie Campbellthough you're actually trying to engage the whole thing with bad faith. Interesting. No, it's just a joke. Okay. It's not It's not bad. But it's a joke. Shell shocked. And what? Oh, no. He did like an animation that like a missile like destroyed the screen. And I was

Brian Atlaslike And he was like, "You literally triggered the army chick." And then I was like, "I'm shell shocked." Uh, okay. Here we got some chats coming through. Uh, Bales, thank you for the

Brian Atlasgifted Let me see if I can pull this up. Hold on. Uh, is this coming in? One sec. Bales, thank for the gifted 20 um subs over there on Is it not working? I don't

Brian Atlasknow. Uh appreciate it. We have some super chats we have to read. We got Sean Brewers. Why do all the orthobros have amazing hair? Consider me converted.

Brian AtlasThank you, Shawn Brewers. By the way, Sean, really quick, and this is for other people who send in super chats. You notice how it says 99 cents there at the end? That almost always means you've

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Brian Atlascorpse. If you want Look, Sean, I'm still appreciative, of course. But if you want the majority of your patronage to go towards the show, so we can actually make the show happen because we don't have sponsors. We don't do any of

Brian Atlasthat [ __ ] Do it through Streamlabs. Streamlabs.com whatever or Venmo, Cash App, whatever pod. Thank you, Sean, though. Appreciate it. Lucas writes, "You do realize that affluent

Brian Atlastraditional men are very discerning and exacting when it comes selecting for background, values, gender roles, worldview, etc. In other words, they're

Brian Atlasnot selecting for a liberal woman with pronouns in her bio. Why would you fit the bill?" This is directed at you if you want to give a response. No, I see

Kelly Vargaswhere where you're coming from. Um, I do struggle with with I guess kind of going back to you how like the tattoos could attract, you know, a certain kind of person. Um, I am a musician. I'm free

Kelly Vargasspirited. That's going to definitely attract um, very interesting people. So, I see where you're coming from. I I don't really think in black and white so much. And a lot of the conversation that's been going on right now is so black and white. It's like it's either

Brian Atlasthis or it's that. I there's I don't think that way. Okay. Uh, really quick. Lucas has some more follow-ups, but I have a couple follow-ups of my own on this really quick. Uh, of all the men you've dated, uh, do you prefer if they

Brian Atlasmake the first move? Uh, I would like so, but it's not always that way. It's not always that. But like, uh, you said you've been in like 10 situationships or something, maybe a dozen or whatever it

Brian Atlaswas. The past six years you've been single. Uh, who typically initiates when it comes to any of the romantic prospects that you have? Usually the guy. Usually the guy. Have you ever

Brian Atlasasked a guy out? Um, I don't No. Yeah. And of all the first dates you've been on, say in the past 6 years, who I I understand that you're willing to pay for first dates,

Brian Atlasbut who actually ends up paying for the first date? Typically, um, a man, but I've paid for myself before on a first date. On you've done it before, but of

Brian Atlasall the first of all the first dates you've been on, uh, what percentage would you assign to it? Almost. Yeah. like 99%. 99. Yeah. Okay. So, even though you're

Brian Atlaskind of Oh, well. Okay. And then what what's the other thing? Oh, you do want to get married though. You said do you uh you want the guy to propose? I'm

Brian Atlasassuming. Yes. You want him to get a ring? Yes. And would you be upset if the ring was like a to like a cubic sirconia off of Amazon or would you want him to spend like a decent amount on the ring?

Brian AtlasDecent amount. Like a nice ring. Right. Okay. And then would you want him to get down on one knee to propose to you? Yes. Hold on a second here. So, just to be

Brian Atlasclear, so you want a guy to get down on one knee and then propose to you and then spend the money on the ring, give it, you know, etc., etc. Think and would you

Brian Atlaswant it to be kind of the proposal to be romantic? Yeah. Like you don't want him to just Where's the [ __ ] ring? Hold on. Oh, he has a ring. Where's the [ __ ] ring? Here's a [ __ ] not. You don't want You don't want the guy to

Brian Atlasjust be like, you know, there's the ring. There you go, babe. Put it on. We're married now or we're engaged now. No. Right. You'd want

Kelly VargasOkay. Why the [ __ ] should a guy do that? Like, why? You won't take his last name. I see what you're saying. I mean, I said I was willing to do the hyphen. No, no,

Brian Atlasno. He's He insists. He's like, "Babe, I'm a traditional old school guy and my old school traditional beliefs dictate that you need to take my last name." So,

Kelly VargasI think that's not a I wouldn't I wouldn't say yes. Just wait. I'm sorry. Finish. I think at that point, we wouldn't get to that point. We're not compatible. We're not It's not It's not going to mess. Everything else, let's

Brian Atlasjust grant that everything else besides that you're compatible on. And this is the perfect dude. And he's he's got like a dealbreaker. He's got a [ __ ] hammer in the pants. He's a billionaire. And

Brian Atlashe's really good-looking. And he's also like going to put your music career to the moon. You won't take his last name. I'll do

Brian Atlaslike I'll compromise on some of my [ __ ] for the perfect woman. I'll compromise on my [ __ ] for

Brian Atlascuz bro, the perfect woman is rare. So you you won't even do the traditional thing that like billions of people have already done. You won't do the thing

Kelly Vargaslike I'll compromise. I still feel like personally I would want to keep my last name regardless of the but wait you would hyphenate the last name. I'd be open to compromise.

Jim BobYes. Why can't he hyphenate the diamond and get you a a pseudo diamond? That's just a hyphenated real diamond. It's crazy, bro. It's crazy, man. Like why does he have to get anything that's legit and real or do anything that's

Jim Bobtraditional if like everything from your view is like half in half out? It's it's just an uneven, right? Would you at least concede that it's it's just a

Kelly Vargasuneven exchange? What I think what I'm kind of confused on is the importance behind taking a last name. Why is why is it so important? It's old school and

Kelly Vargastraditional. What about it is demeaning to you to take the name? Like what do you not like about that? She's a feminist. She can't do it. I never said I didn't say it's cuz of feminism. I'm sure there's

Brian Atlasfeminists that would take the last name. Probably. Sure. Yeah. But what if like the last name's like really shitty? Yeah. What if the last name's like super like It doesn't matter. If you're If

Brian Atlasyou're a Gilbert Shitty, I'll answer your question. If you're a trad woman and you want a Trad guy and he's got the dumbest [ __ ] last name ever, it's I don't know. It's [ __ ] Dingleberry. You're taking his last name. Well, I'm

Charlie Campbelljust I don't give a [ __ ] you're taking that name. I'm just saying like, okay, I'm gonna be real with you. If I was if I was if I was engaged with a guy and we got to that point and he's perfect, I'm going to be real with you. I'll I'm

Charlie Campbelltaking his last name. But if his last name, what a sacrifice you. I'm not saying it like it's a sacrifice. I'm just saying that I would I would like it wouldn't be hard. But if it like [ __ ] sucks, if literally his

Charlie Campbelllast name [ __ ] sucks. I don't know. Like let's say this was a last name Gilbert. Like I would never be I would never be with a guy named Gilbert. Specifically Gilbert. You seem like a girl who would date a Gilbert. I would

Brian Atlasnot date a [ __ ] Gilbert. You will never attract. You will never catch me getting [ __ ] by a guy and yelling Gilbert. I'm sorry. I could see that happening actually. You give me kind of I date dudes named Gilbert or

Brian AtlasBartholomew vibes. I I mean Bartholomew is kind of dope, but Gilbert No. Like I'm sorry. But so hold on. going back to this, right? So, okay. Uh, so

Brian Atlaspassionate, the the guy's a trillion. The guy's the the most handsome Italian ever. He's a trillionaire. Trillion. There's no trillion. Well, maybe there's

Brian Atlastrillionaires. He makes bad choices. Trillionaire. Dude, I'll do some borderline weird [ __ ] for if I can marry a woman who's a trillionaire. I would do some borderline weird [ __ ] to make that

Brian Atlashappen. Okay. You wouldn't ch change your last name for a trillionaire. Hello. You just really want me to say yes. No. Look, if it's a genuine not even for a

Brian Atlastrillionaire, not even like thousand-year dynasty [ __ ] money, you'll you won't look if that's if the answer is genuinely nah, I'm going to keep my last name. Say it. If

Brian Atlasit doesn't affect my uh career, what I've built so far, you're dating a trillionaire dog. Your career is over, son. You don't need to work. You got

Brian Atlaslike a staff, son. You got a staff of like hundreds of people. I want to passion. Wait, wait, wait. Here's the condition. Here's another condition.

Brian AtlasWell, I'm adding Okay, the sole condition is you got to change your last name, but you get a trillionaire and he's like a great guy in Italian or whatever the [ __ ] Do you do it,

Brian Atlasbro? You You're sorry. You're I'm sorry. You're cook. Hold on. I'm thinking. I'm thinking. Let me ask another Oh, okay. Can keep thinking. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Would you if you're Wait, wait. Let's

Kelly Vargaslet her We got to let her think. Jim Bob, let her think. Go ahead. Whenever you're ready. If you have good points, I would say if all of the points you mentioned, I would be open to it. Open to it. Yes. But I wouldn't be

Brian Atlasjumping the gun for it. Bro, if if somebody comes up to me like, "Brian, she's beautiful and perfect and blah blah blah blah blah and uh she's a trillionaire." Wait, what? Would the

Brian Atlasreverse be I have to hide? [ __ ] it. I'll hyphenate for [ __ ] it. Why not? It's instant. Instant. But I'm just asking you to do the traditional thing.

Kelly VargasWho thinks about this [ __ ] Who thinks about what's there to think about? Because I think the reason why I'm hesitant is because you're I feel like you're wanting me to say something. You're you're making a lot of exceptions. Here, let me ask you a question. It's not always like if I

Kelly Vargascould hand you a am I going to meet like a trillionaire like every other like guy like that's a very small percentage of ever happening, you know? Doesn't even exist as far as I mean maybe there's like some people who aren't on the books

Brian Atlasor whatever. Like I doubt that the situation that specific situation you're talking about. It's a hypothetical. No. Okay. So I'm in the hypothetical you get the perfect million uh trillionaire guy

Jim Bobbut you have to change your last name. Do you do it? Yes. Sure. Okay. Would you I want to ask you would you uh if your father asked you to change your last

Jim Bobname to your mother's maiden name? Would you do that? Why why would that why would that happen? No, it's not. The question isn't why would it happen, but if for some weird reason he just wished

Jim Bobit. He was like, "I want you to change your last name to your mother's last name. Would you like hold on to the tradition of carrying your father's last name?" I think. Yeah, of course. It's

Jim BobI'm 28 years of my identity is behind Vargas. Like, why would I just consently change it over to my mom's maiden name? Well, that's interesting. So, like you're you're just you're holding on to

Jim Bobsomething that's actually traditional. the very thing that you're defending would be the thing that you're that that the future husband is actually asking you to do. So like you're saying you're

Jim Bobsaying like the tradition of man's name I'm going to hold like I love that tradition but part of the tradition of the man's name is that it actually changes the daughter's name in the in the future. So your your future kids

Jim Bobimagine a future you going I'm so glad mommy took daddy's last name. Right. I see what you're saying. I got a question. Got a question for you. So, okay, let's bring it about make

Brian Atlasit about your career. You get the perfect guy. He'll never cheat on you. He'll never leave you. Trillionaire, but he asks, "I I don't want you to do your career." And that's

Brian Atlasthe condition for you being with him. You have to give up your career. You can still privately, you can't do anything public facing with music, but privately if if it's a passion of yours, you can

Brian Atlaslike make dope beats in your bedroom or like multiple bedrooms that cuz you're trillionaire now. Uh would you be willing to give up your career ambitions for a

Brian Atlasperfect trillionaire? Absolutely not. But wait, wait, wait, wait. A couple followup questions here. That's like a no of the period. your career. To what end is the purpose of your career? To

Kelly Vargasconnect, to have a message and connect with others. Uh music is healing and I put that into my music all the time and I connect through is all music healing.

Kelly VargasLike you know music is everything. Music is anger, happiness, joy, sadness, but to me it's healing. I'm going to assume something right now. I could be wrong. I think you want credit because here's the

Jim Bobthing. Let's say Brian's hypothetical. You have a mansion. He builds you a studio and you create all these all this music. It's just that people don't know who you are, but they love your music. It's changing people there. You know,

Jim Bobeverything you imagine from your music is is happening, but they just don't know your face, your name. That Yeah, you don't want that cuz you want the you want the credit. That was Wait, I I want Jim Bob. Could you That

Jim Bobwas a really good question. Can you just state it once more? So the question is if the man gives her a mansion and you know a sick ass basement studio, she pumps out the music she loves cuz now she has the time to do it. She doesn't

Jim Bobhave to worry about anything else, right? It's funded. But she uses like a pseudonym. Yeah. Yeah. Moniker. Um she's wildly successful for the music you do. Your voice is heard. Your your lyrics

Brian Atlasare heard. So what you're saying is she has the impact that she wants to have, but nobody knows it's her. Yeah. That's why I think it's a pride thing, like an ego thing and not an actual like you're

Jim Boblike I want to change people. Well, if you did that without the credit, there are many people who change people. Uh philanthropists, they never say who they

Jim Bobare. But your image of your success is so it's really wholly uh dependent on the credit and people. You're basically

Jim Boba pick me girl. Sorry. No, I would say how much I don't Well, maybe I'm using that too loosely. I apologize because people are like men pick. Okay, fine. Fair enough. Sorry. I apologize. Wait,

Brian Atlasbut even I mean even in Jim Bob's question is really interesting though because it's not necess like you would still achieve all the things but it would be anonymous. So ultimately you want like the validation and the credit

Brian Atlasfor doing so. I don't think there's necessarily anything wrong for wanting credit for like achievement. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. No, there's nothing wrong inherently. But in this scenario where you're being presented on the silver platter, the

Brian Atlasperfect man, not just the perfect man, but he's also a trillionaire, which essentially would like your your thousand-year dynasty is secured like

Brian Atlasforever. You're the richest woman to have ever lived. And I mean, that in and of itself would be kind of like some sort of social status or something,

Brian Atlasbut Okay. Uh, oh, I had a I'm trying to think what my fault. Oh, okay. No, I asked it. So, you wouldn't give up your career for the perfect guy who's a trillionaire.

Kelly VargasNo, I wouldn't. So, you're not I mean, you wouldn't be submissive then pretty much. Why would a man that I would ever be around want for me to give up the biggest thing of my life for children?

Jim BobYeah. Yeah, he wants you to focus on the because if that if your career, let's let's say you make it, isn't it the case that like a traditional man wouldn't want the mother of his children flying

Kelly Vargasto city to city doing performances at massive stadiums and that kind of life like but again that's like the black and white mentality that black and white you could still be like traditional ask for

Kelly Vargasmarriage and kids and be okay with a woman traveling and touring and not being a mother. No. And you mother tradition of not being a mother. Which tradition is that? Not being home and being a mother. What

Kyla Turnertradition is that? You got to pick. You got to pick one. I think her answer to here is fundamentally she wouldn't pick those men. Like the probably the worst thing that's happening here is she's saying that she wants a traditional man when really she kind of wants like a modern man who's like more masculine

Kyla Turnerthan he is feminine so that she still like finds him attractive. That's like probably the reality. It's probably like a misnomer. I could be wrong, but like what you're describing to me is like what you really want is like a more modern guy in most ways. is you just want him to not be soy as [ __ ] That's

Brian Atlasthat's what I'm hearing from you. Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. I don't think we're disputing that like there are guys who exist who date like hyper successful women for example like

Brian Atlasuh famous female musicians. Uh they are in relationships with men and these men tolerate to some degree the their boss babe career whatever. Uh

Brian AtlasI don't think we're disputing that. I think we're more so and for example a woman could be like the most modern promiscuous like thousand body count whatever all these like negative characteristics that you wouldn't

Brian Atlastypically associate with a traditional woman and she could still like have a standard and want men to pay for first dates which is like a traditional dynamic and she can very well get it. I don't think anybody here disputes like,

Brian Atlasokay, you could be like the most degenerate modern woman ever and still get guys to pay for uh for dates for you. That's not a dispute at all. We're having like sort of a bird's eyee

Kyla Turnerconversation about that. Well, is that a fair shake? Is that is that fair for the for the man for men? I think a lot of ma modern dating standards that are erected are are essentially unfair for men. I

Kyla Turnerthink a lot of times there very much is this energy of like having your cake and eating it too in the reverse situation. Um, and I and I think that comes from this idea of like some level of a gender opportunism where you kind of want all the things that traditionalism benefits

Kyla Turnerthe woman, but you don't want any of the cons that come with it. And I think when you're when you're doing that cost analysis, then you need to like actually and look at these traditional structures and go, what value does it add to me? Why do I want this thing? And then decide if it actually means anything.

Jim Bobbecause otherwise you're kind of putting things on other people that you're not willing willing to I want to add to that that men there are men out there uh not to like put all the sort of red pillars in one basket here but just to

Jim Bobgeneralize is there's this trend of men who are pushing for this like traditional expectation and they're catching the chicks in this contradiction oh double standard I would argue that those a lot of those men

Jim Bobaren't themselves submissive to something bigger and and so they're they're actually not consistent either So they're expecting these women to fall in line and submit to them and there's

Jim Bobno paradigm that they're using and they're not respectworthy a lot of time either. Well, yeah. There's no It's like this sort of like I'm a man, demand it, but there's nothing that's informing them. And and I I can't say it enough

Jim Bobthat if you're a man out there and you're you kind of have this like sentiment of traditionalism, uh, and and you want the woman to submit to you, if

Jim Bobshe doesn't see you submit to something higher, there's no reflection that she can see of why she ought to submit to you. All she sees is a man saying, "Submit." because a man, right? And

Jim Bobthat's kind of the rhetoric we hear. That's why I that's why I advocate for Christianity because that will make that all of that make sense. You'll you'll understand a proper uh system of submission through Christianity. And and

Jim Bobwithout that, I don't think it exists. It's literally like a like what's the alternative? It's like a kind of like just a militant structure, you know? It's just like uh it's like working for a company where you're just like you

Jim Bobwork for my company now. It's like that's not enough for women to submit. So any of you men are confused, why aren't they submitting? They don't they're not understanding the the lens through which submission is a virtue.

Kyla TurnerYeah. I mean like I think if you're in a secular lens, if I like apply to a secular lens, I think for a lot of men like the reason that I submit to my husand husband isn't just because I'm like I feel like that's spiritually meaningful for me, right? It's an

Kyla Turnerimportant thing in my in my faith to do, but I do it because Nick is the most respectworthy person I know in my life. Like I I I delight to listen to him because I I trust him. Um that's why I

Kyla Turnerpicked him. That's why he help picked me is because I I respect him and there's that mutual love and respect. And so I think for a lot of men, even if you're not religious and they're expecting the submission from women, it's like what is there to respect here? Like do you have

Kyla Turnerany higher values that you're submitting to? Do you have any like quality of character that you're trying to submit to yourself? Like is there any ethics or like moral character that you are putting yourself to that essentially

Brian Atlasyou're submitting to whether it's like ideally God or not God just for the viewers word.

Brian AtlasUh wait uh one final question on this and I'll move it on. So I guess we'll start with you. I'll ask everyone on the panel. Would you

Brian Atlasrather have a high status career but make no money or a low status career but make say $100,000 a year? Low status. Low. Okay. So you'd go with 100. Okay.

Kyla TurnerWhat about you? Uh so let's say it could be like lawyer versus like can I just pick my ideal is the question like what's my ideal job versus Sure. Yeah. Your idea of like a high status job. Yeah. I would take like a high status

Brian Atlasjob with zero pay over the low status job. 100,000. Okay. What about you? Low status, low Can you say the question again? Yeah. So, high status job, but you make no money. Can you give an

Charlie Campbellexample of a high status job? Yeah. Like lawyer, but like no money like zero. Like a lawyer slavery. Yeah. You make no money but you're

Jim Boblike volunteer work. Okay. I'm actually confused. What is the high status aspect to if it's not money? Like what's a high status job that doesn't pay money? If

Jim Bobit's not money, what is the status? Is it like visibility or like you're on a reality show? Like you you're everyone knows you, you're famous, but you have no money. So, for example, I could see like a plumber and a lawyer, both of those jobs making the same amount of

Brian Atlasmoney, but I think most people's like assessment of that would be like the lawyer is more prestigious than like a plumber, you know, if that if that kind of makes that makes more sense. Well, even if they make the same amount, I

Charlie Campbellguess. Um, just for the sake of hey, I got to put, you know, I have a roof. I I need to pay for a roof over my head. I would pick the low status stuff that actually pays versus having like this

Brian Atlasgiant sphere of influence, but like I can't get money. What about you? But you just said they're making the same amount of money. It's just I was explaining the status component, like how there could be a differential

Brian Atlasof status between two jobs who do make the same amount of money. Okay. So then I would into the mic into the mic. I would agree with her. I would do low status. Okay. All right. I was just curious about it. That's interesting. I

Kyla Turnermean, it's something to add like when I say high status, I'm just picturing like my dream role that I'm occupying like doing my dream is like running a treatment center, right? So, it's like if that's what you mean, but I'm making no money and I'm assuming in this world

Kyla TurnerI'm magically also like covering my bills. I would love to do that. If you're saying I can't do that and cover my bills and I guess [ __ ] we're a little bit tied to money, aren't we? Can someone explain like what does orbs

Jay Dyermean? Like it keeps like orb or like what orb? It's from my audience. It's an inside joke for my audience because I had a a drama with a dude who believes that orbs like show up on his

Brian Atlaslive streams and we have this big fallout. So now all my audience makes fun of him talking about orbs like paranormal orbs. Yes. Oh, that's so funny. Now we have Lucas here with his followup. As a follow on, I think it's

Brian Atlasfair to say that traditional men capable of fully providing for a household are not looking for a hot mess project. Rather, they're looking for a wife already inculcated with and fully

Brian Atlasaligned with the family dynamic outlined by Ephesians 5:22. And we have Lucas following up again. Yikes. Not taking your husband's last name. Well, maybe it's a Greek

Brian Atlascultural thing, but that would be achin to my wife slinging a pot of turds at my entire family. Much like not naming my son after my dad. Cha chapter 6. Oh,

Brian Atlaschair six. Good luck finding that traditional masculine feminist man. Oh, that's you. Cheer six. Okay. So, what what if he said he'll take your name? Be icky, right? I That wouldn't happen.

Jim BobI would Why? What if you found a Does that like actually happen? Yeah, it actually Yeah, I have a friend who took his wife. Sometimes Sometimes guys take

Charlie Campbellgirl names. I didn't know that. Um I would if he really wants to, why not? Okay, important question. Her last name's better. I mean, if his last name is like Gaylord and like her last name's

Kyla Turnerlike her last name, are you taking a new last name? Like, if you get if you have an opportunity to like flee the Epstein name that would be the man's determination or any Yeah, of course. But I'm asking like would you guys be

Brian Atlaslike if you were last named Epstein and you had an opportunity like would you change? Are you are you saying like not within the context of marriage just like would you change your last name if I'm sure in the I'm mostly making a meme but

Brian Atlasyeah I uh yeah if if a guy wanted to change his la his last name for whatever I think that's fine. Oh yeah, that's fair. That's not Is she just like supposed to change her name to Epstein?

Brian AtlasIf if he if she's in a relationship with him and that's his given last name and he desires to keep it and he's a traditional guy and his traditional expectation is you're going to take my last name, then yeah, she's going to change his name and name the son

Brian AtlasJeffrey, too. Got to go with it. You're tweeting. We have we have some chats here. We have Balile. He just says hi to hey to Hias.

Brian AtlasOh, hi. Hey, is this your homie? Yeah. A thank you, Balile. Thank you. Appreciate it. Then we have Sean coming in here. It's going to take a moment to pull up. Agria's trillemma posits that any

Brian Atlasattempt to justify belief leads to infinite regress dogmatism or circularity. Coherent coherentism is an epist logical theory that can attempt to

Jay Dyersolve this. But it doesn't. Well, you say that, but you'd have evidence that you're not aware of the basics. So, we're not going to listen to anything you say about philosophy when you can't name one. You can't separate absolutism

Kyla Turnerfrom one book from Plato. You can't cuz you haven't read it. Just admit that you haven't read it. I have read it. I don't know any titles. The most famous philosophical text in history.

Jay DyerYou just want to fall back on this, you can. You're sued. I'm not assued. I've read them. But you can't name one of them. Nope. But I do not with my ideas because you haven't read them. Again, this is not the Dun. Your ideas are not

Kyla Turnerworthwhile because you're a sued. At least I'm not lying about having a degree in philosophy, I guess. Cuz if you did, you could definitely tell us the difference between absolutism and objectivism. I gave you I gave you the

Jay Dyerexplanation. You said they're synonymous in the context in terms of intentionality, how I'm using it. They can be synonymous. Do you know that words have can be What a weasel answer.

Kyla TurnerThat's crazy. The word kid, can it mean two different things? Uh oh. So your answer to what's the difference between absolutism and objectivism is equivocating? That's amazing. Can the word kid mean two different things?

Kyla TurnerPower level. You have Can the word kid mean two different things? Uh yeah, of course. Okay. So words are dependent on their context. Yeah. So you're answering the word question here by equivocating. word subjective. You don't know what

Kyla Turnerjust so you guys know is when you think of the words and you use them differently within the same premise so that you can muddy the conversation and make it hard. So he's acting like absolutism when we're talking about as a definition. It's just his personal

Kyla Turnerdefinition that he's thinking of in the moment when I'm obviously asking about the school of absolutism versus the school of objectivism. Obviously I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about your That's what I am asking you about.

Kyla TurnerBut I don't care because I was critiquing your argument. Uh, the good one. Good one, Jay. Yeah. So, all the yapping wasn't addressing the critique. Again, if you just want to deal with the terms, I'm asking you to

Kyla Turnerdefine the difference even though you claimed you've read allism. Five Plato books you said you've read and you can't name one. Nope. Because you lied. At least I know the difference between these two. So, you lied. You're admitting you lied. Nope. You didn't

Kyla Turnerlie. But you can't name one of the five. Nope. The most famous philosophical text in history. Mhm. Plato's dialogues. Mhm. And when I read through it in school, it comes in the five dialogues. So I didn't memorize the specific books with any.

Jay DyerAnd you can't name one of them. Uh of the five dialogues. Nope. But can you uh the difference between you don't understand the topics that you're talking about? I don't think you can because you can't you don't understand what you're talking about. You're a Plato K. You don't see the difference

Jay Dyerthere? Name one difference. Name one book of Kant. You want me to help you? It starts with a C. One of the K books that's famous starts with a C. Same way that I don't know it, right? Because you

Jay Dyerhaven't read it. You said I've read three con books. Describe stuff cuz you haven't read it. Just admit you haven't read it. Just be honest. The whole internet you haven't because

Jay Dyerthey're famous. Anybody in this domain would know you remember the booking. You remember the book that you read recently and it title eventually I did. Yeah. But you

Kyla Turnercan't remember the most famous memorizing book names. You're right. In future debates, I'll do my best to memorize book names. Do you want to deal with my ideas yet, or do you just want to keep on being bad to try to get

Kyla Turneroptic? One philosophy book from any of the philosophers. Uh, one philosophy book, uh, Plato's Republic. Okay. Did you read that? Uh, no, I actually didn't. Okay. Can you name one you've read? Off the top of my dome. Uh, not

Jay Dyerright now. Because you haven't read the subject matter and you came to debate. Uh, oh, nas. What's it called? Uh I'm trying to remember the guy is dead. He goes through the structures. I mean if I can

Kyla Turnerlist Do you want me to list what's within the books? Okay. The genealogology genealogology structures inheritance uber mench under mench and he talks about I'm going to help you. That's not the book that I read. That's

Kyla Turnernot the one I'm citing that spoke there. I'm giving you the first book that I'm talking about. I'm giving you the first words of Nichi books. The anti I don't know why you think this is a dunk because you don't know any of the subjects that you're trying to demand.

Kyla Turnerwant to engage with the idea. You said that I don't know philosophy. You called it to question my degree and you can't name a single philosophy book. You're a fraud. I'm not claiming to have a degree in philosophy. No, you said I was a fraud. I think you're a fraud because

SPEAKER_11you can't know the difference between ask question objectivism which you absolutely name one philosophical book you idiot. I already did. You lied. I

SPEAKER_11already name one. I just you've read uh none. I've read parts of thus speaks their sustra. Does that count for you? Because I helped you with the title. Again, I can go through like the book that I'm thinking of of Nichza and like

Jay Dyerwhat it is. This just isn't the Dun. And what's the philosophy that he as a pro debater? You should be able to engage with hide behind Zarustra. What's he lay out?

Kyla TurnerUm history. I already said that I'd only read one. What view of history? What What view of history does he have lay out? Like I said, I only read because you haven't read it. You're a liar. I said I read because you're a liar, bro. You're so horny. You don't know the

Kyla Turnerbasics of the book. You're so horny for this basics. Why are you so mad? Again, I don't remember any of these books that I've read. If you'd like to engage with the ideas that we're talking about, I would love to do that. Can you define

Kyla Turnerthe difference between objectivism that thus spoke there thus like not the object don you think it is? Again, you have no knowledge of philosophy. I don't remember what

SPEAKER_11they're called. I don't know anymore because you didn't read the idea. Brian, how long do you are failing because you lied? I'm not failing. You're a liar. I'm really mad cuz I lied. This time like compared to last time. You said

SPEAKER_11that I'm a fraud. And you're so mad. Oh, now it's See, I didn't get sleep. I can't remember. Yeah, I flew back from Israel up for 30 hours straight. 3 hours

Kyla Turnerand then book I read one book. No, I call me out as a fraud. Well, you don't know the difference between absolutism and objective. You're going to call me out as a fraud. basic things knowledge of the subject. I would hope that you

Kyla Turnerwould know it. You failed. Citing books doesn't mean that you're educated. It means that you don't know anything about people books and memorize names that are [ __ ] retaility. This is obviously true. You

Kyla Turnerlied. I don't know how long. Thank you for admitting that you lied. No, I did not admit that. I have not lied. You couldn't name one book or the subject. I already said I've named one book that's a that's a [ __ ] philosophy book after

SPEAKER_11I helped you. I already said that I didn't read in Plato's Republic. What is thus spec there? So I already said I don't remember the part specifically. I remember cracking the book and reading a bit of it. Thank you for aditting have no knowledge of philosophy. That's not true at all. I don't know why you need

SPEAKER_11to start. I don't need to read any philosophy books. You know I have no I keep losing this debate to this stupid woman that I keep interrupting. So debate knowledge bike titles that'll get her. She's she's freaking out. She's freaking out. How old are you again?

Charlie CampbellLike 40 something. I have no knowledge of the subject matter. Aren't you like 40? Yeah, that's again homing now. And you've been dating. Okay, I have to interject. Okay, hold

Charlie Campbellon. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Y'all shut up. You've been You've been literally insulting her the entire time. I don't care. You've been insulting her the entire time. You've been calling her idiot. Look, I'm not say Look, I'm Listen, I'm going to come and debate

Charlie Campbellyou, but I'm going to question your military history first of all. Can I do that? No. Yeah. Hold on. Just Yes. You're not in the military? Yes, I am 1,000%. Sergeant. Yep. See? No, hold on. That's what she did. What I'm trying to say. Why did you Oh, I thought Okay,

Brian Atlashold on. Let me like finish my [ __ ] point. Don't Don't pass out the Okay, there. Go ahead. It's okay. Oh my god. Okay, let me finish my point. Are you sure you don't have fake titties, bro? Wow. I'm just Let me like answer the

Charlie Campbell[ __ ] Can I Can I say my point for once? For once in my life, can I speak? Go ahead. So, imagine if I had Oh, God. Can I Listen, I'm going to I'm going to give an example of something. Remember, can I please just I I just want to say

Charlie Campbellone thing. You guys can go back to whatever the [ __ ] you're doing. I was just saying she's a fraud. One thing I want to ask you a question. Can I just say one thing? Okay. I already forgot what I was going to say. Give me a sec.

Charlie CampbellGive me a [ __ ] second. Okay. I said exactly. No, that's literally Oh, yeah. You've been calling her an idiot the entire time. Okay. Hom. Stop. Okay.

Charlie CampbellThat's an insult. That's an ed hom. Okay. Thank you. Well, you're insulting her and now you're talking about because she lied. So if I Hold on. So it's okay to lie. No, it's not okay to lie. But I'm saying like, damn, you're acting

Charlie Campbelllike you're acting like you haven't read the subject. She threw one punch at you. You haven't read the book. She She threw one punch at you and now you're like, why are you hitting me? Why are you hitting me? It's like, bro, you've been hitting her like 50 times in a row. No,

Jay Dyerno, that's not what happened. So imagine if I come to you and I say, I don't know anything about the military, but you're not in the military. You're a fraud. What would you say? I would say, whoa,

SPEAKER_05you can question my experience where I went to basic my MOS where I've been in the world and I can answer it off the fly. I don't have to make [ __ ] up. Exactly. That that's not a point to me

Kyla Turnerat all. If you have this background, you got to pause. You got to let me speak or I'm just talking over you at this point because you would start interrupting. You wouldn't even let this woman speak. Breathe. You

Kyla Turnerfailed. Jay, breathe. You're a fraud. You got lying. This doesn't make your debate career is over again. You lost every debate. Ryan, I will call you out for things we talked

Kyla Turnerabout yesterday. If you go there, don't bantering. Don't do it. I'm bantering. I haven't read these books. You're both what you want to hear. But that's just not true. I have read the

Kyla Turnerbooks titles and what's in them degree in philosophy. What's in them? Actually, I went through the Nichze book and you couldn't tell me what's in it. So I I can't remember spoke there spoke there. What's

Kyla Turnerin it? I already Jesus Christ. Yeah. Now you're cussing and melting down because you don't know. You lied. You got calling me Melting down is crazy, right? So you're melting down. Second of all, you do your fake giggle when you're melting down. Acknowledged all of your

Kyla Turnerquestions. I've answered them. Honestly, I don't remember the titles. I have So you lied because you said you've read those things. won't answer what the difference is between absolut and uh objectivism because you know how silly

SPEAKER_11it makes you look and if you have a field degree I don't owe you an answer when you're not so I have a psych degree and say you were calling now you're signing your degrees no one cares that doesn't give me philosophy knowledge I

Kyla Turnerwould love to you're not competent in this say my piece it's I don't owe you a debate on that subject you invited me here you [ __ ] [ __ ] you're the [ __ ] because you accepted No, not at all. I'm not the one

Kyla Turnergetting mad at you and saying like, I won't engage with you. They're lost. You're the [ __ ] Sorry. Uh Rword off the restarted just to make sure. Is the R. I

Brian Atlasthink we should I think we we try to avoid it, but sometimes the R word is warranted. So I I'll I'll give the R word pass for now. It's I'll I'll give a pass for that. But everybody so the issue is that if we were talking about

Kyla Turnersay psychology, I have a degree in psychology and you thought that I was incorrect about something. Nothing to do with this. I'm giving an analogy. You can follow Jay. You can follow along. It's okay. Breathe. We don't care about psychology. If you're such a great

Kyla Turnerdebater, you can handle a question. It's not relevant. You just want to y because you want to try to save. You dug a hole. Okay. There are two options for this panel at this point. I can continue my talking point. You can breathe and you can let me speak. or we move on to something different so that the everyone

Brian Atlasat the table can have something to do. I love that. You are 200 IQ, Kyla. Thank you. We're going to move it on. We're moving it on. Uh, good suggestion. We have Lucas here with the chat. Oh god,

Brian AtlasLucas, you're killing me. Since you claimed to have read Plato's Republic, can you tell me what Plato described as the read? This is basic basic stuff. Okay, she didn't read it. Thank you, Lucas, for the message. Thank you, Lucas, for the message. lies about

Brian Atlasknowing lies about floss. You're lying when you said that you did. You actually did. You have to know to find it. Okay. Anyways. Anyways, uh we have Stifler here. Ask everyone to rate their own looks on a scale of 1 to 10. You can't

Kelly Vargaspick seven. Starting with you uh into the mic. Uh I think that's the most superficial question to ever ask. Do I need to answer? It's Yes. Go ahead. I'll

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