Brian CONFRONTS Woke Misandrist College Girl?! HEATED DEBATE! Based Girl RETURNS! | Dating Talk #269

Date: 2025-11-17

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSeline (Cosmetology)>

GGrace (Zoology)>

NNatalie/Morena Chinga >

LLauren (Buddhist)>

EErica (Married 264)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Seline(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lauren (Buddhist)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Selena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Natalie/Morena(guest)

SPEAKER_10Grace (Zoology)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Essie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Samra(guest)

SPEAKER_13Erica (Married)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

ControversySelena wants red pill men 'eradicated'

Key MomentBrian presents selective service as systemic male oppression. 40-min debate.

QuoteSelena: 'I think men suck. 60-70% of men suck.'

ControversyGrace prefers world without men. Selena cannot say no to snapping men away.

Key MomentLauren: Buddhist nun, FBI investigated for Jan 6

ControversySelena: 'white people invented racism'

OtherSelena leaves. Brian calls her most argumentative guest ever.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Selena (Georgetown/TikTok), Lauren (Buddhist nun/Jan 6).

Red Pill Eradication

Selena wants red pill men 'eradicated.' Brian challenges.

Selective Service Debate

40-minute debate on draft as male systemic oppression.

65% of Men Suck

Selena: 65% of men suck. Brian: that's sexist.

Stolen Land / Immigration

Selena: 'no one is illegal on stolen land.' Native American debate.

Snap All Men Away

Grace and Selena cannot say no to removing all men. Brian shocked.

Colombia / Palestine Allegiance

Natalie sides with Mexico/Palestine. Selena refuses to answer.

Lauren Jan 6

FBI investigated but did not arrest Lauren for Jan 6 attendance.

Body Count

Lauren: 5M/2W. Natalie: 100+. Essie: 12-13.

Bow Video

Brian shows ex bowing video. Selena uses it as grounds to leave.

Transcript

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Brian Atlas>> Well, I can think of a couple different reasons why this is. You mentioned hormones. uh if it is the case that like women's

Brian Atlasuh greater fluctuation in their hormone profile uh could this have an impact on the uh the outcomes of a study done on a

Brian Atlasmedication whereas because of men's more like steady like it's less of a what's the term for it um what's the term in a study where controlling for >> I get what you're saying but men's

Brian Atlashormones are actually less stable because they fluctuate more freent variables. So because men are a bit more steady as it relates to their hormones, that's less >> because when you think about if you were

Grace (Zoology)like look at a graph like it'd be like on a monthlong scale for like women. So like say like their testosterone goes like this, right? And so it's like on a month. So when you like break it down like day by day, it's like at a stable

Grace (Zoology)level, but then for men it's one day and it goes like this. So then if you break it down by one day, it's a like a more the um like the slope of the line is more drastic

Brian Atlas>> for for men with their hormones. >> Yeah. >> I'm not an expert in hormones or whatever, but um I it's in I'm confused though. On on one hand, the 9 to5 is

Brian Atlasbetter suited to men because of their hormones. Women's hormones seem I I am under the impression that women's hormones is a bit more variable. But then I'll just if if it is actually the case, I'll just go ahead and take your

Brian Atlasword for it. I'll abandon that argument. The next thing I would then move to is because women uh are the only ones that can get pregnant. uh and even if the woman is you know uh it is the case that

Brian Atlasif a woman is involved in a medical trial and we're you testing experimental drugs on her um we don't want to potentially like it's not just this

Brian Atlasexperimental drug could then uh harm her but could also harm uh a potential child and birth defect. What's that >> that she could have in the future? Is that what you're saying? Or like they

Brian Atlaswouldn't do it with pregnant women. Well, so like we we avoid like I'm trying to think there was like a medication that women took for headaches >> like way back in the 50s or something, but they found out if anybody can remember the

Brian Atlas>> That's why I know actually what >> but and it created really severe birth defects when these women were pregnant. So I think one of the reasons why there's like at least from the researcher perspective of like

Brian Atlashesitation of wanting to have women be more represented in um in like medical research is one of the components is the fact that women can get pregnant.

Brian AtlasSometimes there's unplanned pregnancies. Um, in this case, I mean, I perhaps you could just say, well, okay, then the women for the course of the study have to remain like completely celibate to

Brian Atlasavoid the risk of uh, you know, getting pregnant and h and potentially there being like really really serious birth defects. Um, or maybe like only pro-choice women, I guess, cuz then they I guess they could just abort the kid.

Brian AtlasBut I mean, that's kind of that's another conversation. But, um, I think that that's one of the reasons. But also, I'm not sure if the framing of this as being like a

Brian Atlaslike I think if we were only medically experimenting on women, I kind of think feminists would argue they would say, "Wait, hold on. You guys are using

Brian Atlaswomen's bodies to test these potentially harmful, dangerous medications on women only, and these men are just not having to be met." I think like women are always going to default to this wanting

Brian Atlasto view th this through the lens of victimization. Um like oh they aren't get pumping us full of experimental medications that may or may not cause cancer or cause like really bad side

Brian Atlaseffects. I think there's a more compelling argument on this specific topic. I actually think men are more are so desperate to make money that they're

Brian Atlasgoing maybe women are smarter in this capacity. Women are like, "Nah, I don't really want I don't want to risk my health to be medically experimented on even if I get paid for it." Men are

Brian Atlaslike, "Fuck it. Give me the drugs. Give me the [ __ ] I need money." So perhaps that speaks to a socioeconomic argument that men feel more desperate to the

Brian Atlaspoint that they're resorting to like allowing like who knows what this medication or experimental treatment might do. And then I think the other thing would be I I just think I I don't

Brian Atlasknow. I don't think it's like a privileged position to be medically experimented on and given like exploratory drugs. I actually think that

Grace (Zoology)that's per perhaps a like a I don't think that that's a benefit. >> Well, it's a problem when women are not getting health care that is specific to

Grace (Zoology)their body and that like hurts them. Also, you so HPV disproportionately kills women more than it does in men. It affects both men and women, but there's a large

Grace (Zoology)>> connection to it killing women. And why is that? It's because there's a massive gap in healthcare to help women specifically,

Brian Atlas>> right? there's a because of HPV there's a gap but wouldn't this be uh addressing like women's specific health concern like there's

Brian Atlasbeen a massive roll out of like Gardil so I'm I don't think they're ignoring women's health concerns on this >> kind of pushing it to the side I don't know I'm just saying that >> sure

Grace (Zoology)>> like just an example of the patriarchy being prevalent in our society [clears throat] today is because there's a massive gap in research done >> the health stuff. >> Yeah. All the health stuff because then it's just like women are not getting the

Grace (Zoology)health or it's just also so many concerns that like women have be like oh like I have a headache and like have you heard of like like male sickness like when guys get sick like they like act like they're like dying and they're like

Brian Atlasoh my god like I like am like dying. Could it be the case though that the because of the uh physiological differences between men and women that

Brian Atlasmen do experience I mean this I don't know if there would be like objective markers you could measure but because of the difference in physiology between men

Brian Atlasand women could it be the case that men do like when they are having the flu or COVID or whatever it is that they do

Erica (Married)actually it maybe impacts them more. >> Yeah. I think that as women, we have to have a higher pain tolerance because Yeah. because like giving birth and stuff like we actually pass that

Erica (Married)threshold of pain that would normally like kill a man. Yeah. >> And so I think it's really impressive and powerful that women can do. Um but I also think that yeah, when it comes to like reproductive rights and stuff, it's really controversial.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. No, I do think that women have a higher higher pain tolerance than men on average, I would say. >> So, okay, there there's the patriarchy. Um, you say women are oppressed in the USA. Just um, really quick, how are how

Brian Atlasare women oppressed in the USA? >> I feel like we talked about this for like 3 hours. >> Just really quick, what's your like recap on it then? >> Um, >> like are you you're a woman. Are you oppressed?

Grace (Zoology)>> Like as a white woman, I'm not as oppressed as like a lot of like any woman of color. Um, >> but are you still oppressed nevertheless? >> Like

Brian AtlasYeah, because I'm a woman. Yeah. >> How? So, how so though for you?

Brian Atlas>> I don't know. I just >> just give me one thing quick. First thing that comes to your mind. >> Um, >> by the way, I was thinking we can order. Who? Anybody here hungry? We're going to order some food for you guys. Sound good?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Sound good? Mary, can you see what is available? Uh, anybody here have any dietary restrictions? Like, can you eat pepperoni or something? I don't know. >> No dietary restrictions.

Brian Atlas>> Pepperoni pizza. Who's in favor? >> No. Cheese. I can't have pick off. You're going to pick it up. >> No, I can't pick. Wait, wait, wait. Okay, I I see what uh What about Do you want olive?

Brian Atlas>> Do you like olive? Okay, Mary, can you do one pepperoni, one olive pizza? >> Wait, is Ivy Pizza Pub open?

Grace (Zoology)I think just it's fine. It's fine. Um, sorry. What was that? >> Somebody was >> I was saying um if I was asking if Ivy Pizza Pub was open. It's like the best pizza nearby. >> Yeah. Um, cool. No. Okay. Like I was

Grace (Zoology)like really [ __ ] shamed in middle school and like I could say like that was an example of like being oppressed like for >> [ __ ] shaming. Wait, were you like sexually active in middle school? Um, like I don't want to get into it,

Grace (Zoology)>> but I was like definitely such a shame in middle school. >> Middle school. That's like seventh, eighth. >> I thought that was >> wait fourth, fifth, sixth. >> Isn't it seventh? >> No, seventh. Wait, sixth, seventh. Sixth, seventh, eth. >> No, junior high.

SPEAKER_08>> I was in middle school in sixth, seventh, and eighth grade. >> School sixth. >> Wait, >> I would say in eighth grade I was very >> [ __ ] shamed >> and I was not sexually active. Wait, >> like probably like

Selena>> like people can make things up or like sending explicit photos, stuff like that. >> Yeah, it was just like >> wait sending Well, hold on. Anybody who's under the age of 18 >> Yeah, I know. But like a lot of people do that. >> Well, they shouldn't. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> They shouldn't. Um, >> let's see. Okay. Um, so the [ __ ] shaming in middle school oppression. When I think of oppression though, I'm typ typically typically thinking of like

Grace (Zoology)some sort of like >> law like a law government. >> Well, you could say like birth control rights and abortion rights. I would is

Erica (Married)oppressive towards women when you're not um allowed to do that. I would argue that women are the only ones that have reproductive rights. So, that's actually an example of how men are unequal to women. >> Wait, male have men have reproductive

Erica (Married)rights, too. Not when it's regarding to the infancy of a child. >> Okay. >> Well, reproductive would I I think it

Brian Atlaswould men have uh parental rights once the child is born. But as it relates to reproductive rights, I don't really think men have any any reproductive rights. Like for example, if the man

Brian Atlaswants to keep the kid, the woman wants to abort it, man can't do anything. Uh, the woman or excuse me, the man wants the woman to get an abortion. The woman wants to keep it. Can't do anything about it.

Erica (Married)>> Okay. Sure. Yeah. [laughter] >> Yeah. Um, so are you oppressed though? >> I just like don't even know. >> All right. Okay. >> Is there do you feel like there's rights or opportunities that you don't get, but

Brian Atlasmen do? >> Well, she says that men and women do have equal rights. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, then I don't see >> really quick to you. Uh Seline, uh you say women are oppressed in the USA. Really quick, how

Brian Atlas>> uh >> closer to that was a mistake, guys. >> Oh, wait. Can you take the little bottle and the thingy mabobber off the table? >> Yeah. Um okay, that was a mistake. Uh

Brian AtlasSelena, for some reason, you did not circle. Maybe you don't think women are oppressed in the USA. Okay. Um, let's see. With uh going back to grace,

Brian Atlasfinishing off your questionnaire, uh, you think men are more priv privileged in society than women. We talked about that though. Uh, people of color can't be racist towards white people. We

Brian Atlastalked about that. Basically, do you still hold that position or was I at all convincing? >> No, I still hold it. >> Still hold. So, >> so like black people can't be racist towards white people.

Grace (Zoology)I think we should What about the Asian people? I actually loved that that piece earlier, but I couldn't say anything. >> Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off there, Grace, if you want to continue. >> Like you could call it racism by the definition of racism, but I think it's completely different because of the

Brian Atlashistory. >> So, if I'm willing to grant that uh if we're talk so if we're talking about different kinds of racism, like so I think there's like individual racism, but then there's like the systemic

Brian Atlasracism that I think you're alluding to. Uh, I think I'd probably be be absolutely prepared to agree and grant that black people in this country have faced certain systemic racism that like white people haven't. Like case in

Brian Atlaspoint, slavery. >> Case in point, like other things I could cite to. Yes. >> But like when I'm thinking of racism, I think it can occur on the micro and

Brian Atlasthe macro level. So the macro level would be like slavery, right? Macro. Uh micro level would be like a black person goes up to a white person, actually

Brian Atlasdoesn't go up to them, is sitting behind them on a a transit on a train and while stabbing them to death, stabbing a white woman to death, uh says something about their skin color and calls I don't know what was the thing with the the train,

Brian Atlaswhat was the girl's name? >> He said something along the lines of white. I got that white [ __ ] Could that be evidence of a racially motivated uh a racist

Brian Atlasincident? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um All right. Um so perhaps I don't know if this is a middle ground here. uh black

Brian Atlaspeople more so than white people face uh have faced more or most of the systemic

Brian Atlasdiscrimination in this country. Uh well, you might say all of it, but um >> yeah, >> on a micro level, white people can experience >> like

Brian Atlas>> racism. >> Yeah, sure. on like a >> it's just like so different, but >> not just an individual level, but like for it could be in other ways too,

Brian Atlas>> but how about this? Would this um would this be an example of systemic racism while Barack Obama was president of the United States? Um and you said earlier

Brian Atlaswith your definition of I think either sexism or racism, was it prejudice? Uh racism equals prejudice plus power. Mhm. >> Yeah. So, Barack Obama being the

Brian Atlasexecutive the the top executive uh well, excuse me, let me rephrase. being the leader of the most powerful country in the world, being the leader of the executive branch of the United

Brian AtlasStates, uh, well, the United States, the United States government. If he had a policy where he refused to hire white people in any any roles in the White

Brian AtlasHouse, would this be a systemic oppression or a systemic systemically racist policy? >> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Well, nothing else to

Brian Atlasargue with there. I think your final thing here, Grace, women can't be sexist towards men. Any revision there, micro? >> It's like the same thing. >> Same thing. Okay. So, a woman could like walk up to a dude and like stab him just

Brian Atlasbecause he's a man and she hates men and this would be sexist for you. >> Yeah. >> But you don't think systemically that women have uh that that you think women have been more systemically oppressed than men have?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Okay. All right. Um, let's see here. Okay. Uh, let's hold on. Selena, any thoughts on any of those? Women can't be sexist towards

Selenamen. People of color can't be racist towards white people. Anything there? >> I mean, I I think on those points, like,

Selenayes, by textbook definition, sure. >> Mhm. racism, sexism, yeah, that can exist to men, to white people. >> But when it comes to on a systemic and

Brian Atlasbigger scale, >> Mhm. We just haven't we just haven't seen that happen >> because because some people and look on the systemic front I'll just for this for the simplicity sake I'll go ahead

Brian Atlasand grant it like yeah probably it's the case that in some ways well at least with race I think it's pretty clear-cut to me that yeah there was definitely differences in like systemic oppression of black people. However, some people

Brian Atlasoutright say you can't be racist as like a just broad overall statement. You can't a black person can't be racist towards a white person. >> Do you agree with that?

Selena>> I mean, there is a textbook definition of racism, right? And that's having a certain prejudice to >> a racial group. So, of like textbook, right? We can't argue with definition.

Selena>> And then the same with women being sexist towards men. Like some people say women can't be sexist towards men because >> I mean I think oppression. I think with those arguments it's it's it's it's more

Selenanuanced. When they say can't be, I don't think they mean textbook definition can't be. I just think they mean on a larger scale. It it it just would not equate.

Seline>> Sure. >> That's why you need to reframe that. Honestly, that's why I was talking about earlier about the needing to disagree

Brian Atlas>> because we got to the same point. >> Mhm. Uh, and then going to Natalie. I thought you you wrote Natalie. >> Yeah, that's my real name. >> Oh, that's your Oh, you're you have a

Brian AtlasSoundcloud name. I get it. >> Um, you just really quick on the people of color can't be racist towards white people. Um, any thoughts there?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, I agree. on a are you talking like systematic uh systemic level or like for example can like a a person who's Latino uh walk up

Brian Atlasto a white person and like really dislike white people and like stab them to death? Is that racist? >> I don't believe in reverse racism. >> You don't believe in reverse racism? Um what about like >> racism?

Brian Atlas>> What about between different uh differing groups of people of color? So like can a black person be racist towards an Asian person? into the mic, >> I guess.

Brian Atlas>> Can a Mexican or uh what's the categorization? Uh can somebody who's Latino be racist towards a black person?

Brian Atlas>> I guess. >> Okay. Um can an Asian person be racist towards white people? >> An Asian person be racist towards white people? >> Yeah. I don't think you can be racist

Brian Atlastowards white people >> across the board. >> Yeah. >> Black people, Native Americans, um, uh, whatever other racial group. Okay. So, like that instance where there's that

Brian Atlasgirl who was on like the train or the transit or whatever and the black guy sitting behind her like stabs her to death and like while he's stabbing her to death, he's saying like, "I got that white bitch."

Brian Atlas>> I think white people invented racism. >> Sorry, what? White people invented racism. >> True. >> Wait, hold on. >> Are you Just to be clear, I just Hold on, hold on, hold on.

Brian Atlas>> I said what I said. >> Doesn't make it make sense. >> Hold on. >> You're not going to like this. So actually I think you're you do realize that that in western

Brian Atlascountries western countries the United States are the most tolerant culture

Brian Atlaslike for example uh I I I mean can you think of a more toler like I oh my god Bro, I can't even. >> I think she's I think she's rage baiting.

Brian Atlas>> Hold on. >> Do you think like the racism in uh like various Asian countries is [ __ ] insane. Uh racism I'm not super familiar

Brian Atlaswith racism like in Latin American countries, but like I think there's like even inter like [ __ ] Venezuelans hate the f like they uh per Peruvians [ __ ] hate Chileans and [ __ ] Like that's the

Brian Atlaslevel of it, right? They hate their fellow Latinos of different whatever break. Maybe that's a nationality thing. I don't [ __ ] know. In any case, the [ __ ] uh if you look at Asian countries, bro, holy [ __ ] dude. >> So,

Brian Atlas>> Japan, >> Filipino, [ __ ] Japan, Korea, China, they all are like at odds with each other racially. >> Mhm. Okay. >> America, I know you hate I know you

Brian Atlasmaybe don't like America. America is incredibly tolerant. It's >> there are still >> western countries are the least racist countries. >> That's not true. The West invented racism. >> That's ridiculous. No, it's not.

Brian Atlas[clears throat] >> Ra Hold on. Racism is is um >> Okay, you know what? >> What What's the word for it? Racism >> knows no race. >> Okay, you know what? I can give you

Selenathat. I can give you that in the sense that okay maybe but the the structural structural racism that we see today was

Selenaliterally invented by the west in order to propagate an imperialist agenda and to why are we laughing >> imperialist agenda? >> Okay. Like >> what? Okay.

Selena>> What do you mean what do you not know what imperialism is? I can explain that. >> Yeah. Go ahead. Explain it to me. You you want me to explain what imperialism is? >> Well, what do you mean when you say imperial? >> When I say imperialism, I'm talking

Selenaabout the West going going into foreign nations and imposing it is its imperial imperial

Selenainterest and also imposing capitalism. >> Borders don't exist on stolen land. >> What's what are you saying? >> Wait, what? So, okay. about colonialism right now in this

Brian Atlascontext. This makes no sense. >> Well, I mean it's it's it is kind of there are some corlaries when it comes to immigration, but I won't go down that rabbit hole. But um I mean I it's interesting to me you think it was

Brian Atlasinvented by the evil white man or whatever there >> I mean it was who do you know what Darwinism is? What was Darwin? >> When was Darwin alive? You think Darwin pre like

Selena>> No, I'm saying >> racism only started after Darwin >> in our >> Did I say that? I I asked you, do you know what Darwin Okay, I can do I can

Selenaexplain who Darwin is to you? >> Sure. Okay, tell me. So with the modern construction of racism that we see here in America

Selenatoday, a lot of it was propagated by Darwinism and a lot of the time certain things

Brian Atlasthat were put in the Bible. >> Wait, hold on. You do real Wait, I I don't know why you're reverting to this. Like, by the way, honestly, look, you're not going to like this. Um, Islam was

Selenaspread by the sword. Like that's the genesis. Okay. Islam. So you're just going to find like the that the the conservative talking point you see online and bring it up. >> Islam was where does it say that? Where

Selenadoes it say that? >> What do you mean? Uh all like history books ever. Islam first. >> Can you like cite um specifically what part of it says? Does it does it say

Brian Atlasthat in the text? >> I I'm not an inl. If you don't know then why are we speaking on it? I can't site to like the specific. >> Okay. So, so I but but that's the thing,

Brian Atlasright? >> It was spread by the sword. And by the way, >> and Christianity was spread by the sword. Okay. >> Before before, look, I >> somebody in the chat. Hold on. >> Crusades. Let the host finish speaking, please.

Brian Atlas>> If Thank you. Appreciate it. >> Glaze. [snorts] So before uh Christristendom ever set foot in any Muslim country, there were massive

Brian AtlasMuslim conquests into Muslim or excuse me, there mass massive Muslim conquests into Christian nations and Christian

Brian Atlasterritory and Christian countries. So you you had uh I believe it was the Ottoman Empire reaching correct me if

Brian AtlasI'm wrong if it's not the Ottoman Empire reaching all the way into like Austria v I believe Vienna right so this idea that

Brian Atlaslike a lot of the by the way a lot of the crusades were like I I believe in response to Islamic aggression. >> Sure.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Spain massive like Spain took centuries to reconquer its land. Spain was Christian and there

Brian Atlaswere massive Muslim conquests through nor northern Europe into Spain into Portugal and then you had it all the way into Vienna, Austria.

Brian AtlasThere were massive massive amounts of Muslim conquest into Christian territory. >> So what's your point here? My point is

Brian Atlasthis idea that like Christianity is some like wararmongering people. A lot of these you referenced the Crusades. A lot

Brian Atlasof that was in response to the conquest. It was it was re taking land that was taken from Christendom. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> Anyways, I'm not look I'm not a theological expert. This isn't like an area of expertise for me. But like this idea that white people bad and like

Brian Atlasother uh nationalities, other groups of people who aren't white haven't like committed atrocities throughout all of history. Like I don't understand is it

Brian Atlaswhite people who have always been the ones like all these other people are peaceful and they're just and the white man comes in and he just wants war.

Brian AtlasYeah. >> Have all civilizations, whether they're white, whether they're Asian, whether they're whatever. The Mong Hold on. The Mongolian conquest, they made it into eur uh Europe.

Selena>> Okay. So, >> so this this idea that like all races besides white people have always been a peaceable people. It's kind of crazy. >> So, I never said that. I never said that um all people have been a peaceable people. What I'm saying,

Brian Atlas>> you said white people invented racism. So you think when the Mongolian conquest that's not racism >> the Mongolian Hold on hold on you think the Mongolian conquest as they were like scorch Hold on let me just finish this

Brian Atlasthe Mongolian conquest as they're completely scorching their way through Eurasia you think that they there wasn't like probably some like a racial component to >> uh well I don't think I think it was

Brian Atlasmore conquest related correct you think like racism >> so I don't know why we're going into conquest and that's Mongols Do you think the Mongols didn't like view themselves as like racially superior to like the

Brian Atlaswhite tribes and like the I I'm trying to think precisely. >> Can I just like you don't think they didn't think them themselves as like racially supreme or anything like that?

Selena>> So we are talking about modernday racism. I don't know if the Mongols felt themselves racially supreme, but that was motivated through

Selenaconquest. Right? Back then it was about garnering land. It wasn't necessarily as much as um it wasn't necessarily [laughter]

Selenaas much specifically about race. Now, when we're moving into modern-day capitalism, >> oh boy. >> Which was invented by the white man. >> Cap who hold on.

Selena>> Oh my god. How are you going to dispute this point? Capitalism was created by the West. Hold on. What? >> Modern day. Why are you confused?

Selena>> Modernday capitalism. >> Hold on. What? >> Okay. >> Sorry. Finish your point. Finish your point. >> I If that if that's what you're going to do every time I speak, like I I can't have a good faith. I'm still struggling

Erica (Married)to really comprehend or wrap my brain around why you think that the Midwest is responsible for racism when we didn't invent slavery. >> Wait, this hold on. This this this claim that white people invented capitalism

Brian Atlasthe Silk Road they were trading spices. You you don't think that there was commerce in like parts of Asia? >> Commerce is not capitalism.

Brian Atlas>> I have gold bar. You give me spices for gold bar. >> Barter. >> Oh my god. Okay then expl then then fine. I'm [ __ ] Explain capitalism to me and how

Erica (Married)>> where did the gold standard come from? I mean, if it's not worth money, if the barter system doesn't correlate to monetary value, then where does the

Selenawhere does that even come from? >> So, modern-day capitalism is based on

Selenacolonialism and imperial conquest. Okay? So our current system which is our modern-day form of

Selenacapitalism is built upon exploiting populations

Selenaand extracting from those exploited countries that we exploit and taking their resources in order for us

Erica (Married)to get wealthier. Can we agree upon that? >> How are we taking resources from other countries if we're like paying for them? >> Oh my god. Exploitation.

SelenaDo you know what that is? >> Yes. I I can wrap my head around exploitation. >> Okay. So we are paying them we pay them bare minimum if not less like cents for

Selenatheir labor and then after that we take those goods that are worth a lot more

Erica (Married)>> and we build wealth off of exploiting people. So I think we can in our in our own country in our own government we can control minimum wage because that is

Erica (Married)something that's you know it's within our control but to be able to tell another country oh you have to pay your workers so and so in order to >> even pay others the minimum wage >> I'm saying you're saying that we're we're taking resources from other

Selenacountries wouldn't other countries be setting the standard for the minimum wage not us >> so do you not think that we are extracting resources from other countries and exploiting them >> you think we should be offering trying

Selenato compensate them in ways that they aren't asking for. Okay, that's Yeah. Um I I I just this is I just feel like it's

Erica (Married)basic economic fundamentals, you know. >> Yeah, that's basic exploit. That's exploitation 101. Yes. I just say you don't know how economy works. Economics.

Selena>> I'm not I'm not going to clear like I'm sorry. I I I'm just not going to have this. Clearly you believe like Okay.

SelenaIf there are certain people we can just if if we don't if we're not legally mandated to pay the minimum wage, we don't have to. And and like

Erica (Married)[clears throat] >> that is exploitation >> textbook definition. >> All right. So what are you are we going to do about it? What can we do about it?

Erica (Married)at least pay the people that are working in the foreign countries that we're exploiting a minimum wage. But other countries don't have like the same dollar value that we do either. So you have to think about that.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. >> I do I'll move it off of this. But um final few things here from the questionnaire. Uh let's see. It is what

Brian Atlasthe heck? These are weird. Um oh past should not matter. Body count. Uh Seline, you agree past should not matter. Grace, you say it depends.

Brian AtlasNatalie, okay, that's pretty much it for everybody. Uh okay. Well, um I think it was only you and then Grace, you said it

Brian Atlasdepends. Uh going around the table, >> what's your body count? >> Starting with you.

Erica (Married)>> Oh, with me? Oh, yay. Okay. Um, five men, two women. >> Oh, >> wait a minute. I didn't know >> shocker. >> You >> one. >> Okay. I have to say, >> you have to Into the mic. Into the mic. Into the mic.

Essie>> 10. >> Okay. Essie. >> I think mine's either 12 or 13 now, I think. >> Okay. Natalie, >> I don't know. >> Did you lose track? >> Yeah. I don't remember.

Brian Atlas>> Did Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. Natalie. Natalie, did you lose track?

Brian AtlasI don't think so. >> Do you Do you want a ballpark? You want a ballpark? You just going to sit? Does this question offend you or so? Get Do you want an energy drink? Get

Brian Atlasthis girl an energy drink. You want an energy drink?

Brian AtlasEnergy drink to >> Those energy drinks are pretty effective. Just use your hands and you can go like this for, you know, 20, 30, 40.

Brian AtlasOkay, you want here, I'll help. Thumbs up or thumbs down? Over 50. Thumbs up, thumbs down. If you don't do a thumbs up or thumbs down, >> I don't think she's going to answer the

Brian Atlasquestion. >> It's over 50. It's a yes. over a hundred. Your body. Oh my god, Natalie, you are such a little player, girl. Oh

Brian Atlasmy god, you have so much game, Natalie. You Oh my god, I'm so proud of you. 100 na Natalie a thousand. How do you find [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> Natalie? Natalie, how do you find the time between your your emerging rap career and just sleeping with all these men?

Grace (Zoology)Okay, good talk. Uh, Grace, body count. >> It's just not information that I want the public to know. >> Do you want to do like a ballpark? >> No. >> Do you want to do uh less than >> Nope. >> Less than

Grace (Zoology)20? >> No, I'm going to stay mysterious. >> Above 20. >> I'm going to stay mysterious. >> 53. >> That's just not something I want the public to know. I don't need to disclose sexual information to the entire world. And >> I'm going to ask everybody. Well, okay,

Brian Atlaswhatever. Um, body count >> four. >> Four. Selena, >> I don't disclose. >> Is it below 20, >> bro?

SPEAKER_07>> It's more. It's okay. >> I don't disclose this information. This is private. >> Multiply it by three and that's the real number. >> Um, how about this?

Erica (Married)>> Wait, did you say yours? >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Oh, sorry. >> Yeah. I don't know if it's a fear of privacy or a fear of being exposed. Honestly, >> let's do this. Um, what age did you lose your virginity? I was 17. >> Oh man, I'm really sad to admit this.

Erica (Married)Um, really didn't have great examples growing up, but I was 12. Way young. Yeah, I don't advise it. That's honestly why I'm here. >> I was 20. >> 20,

Erica (Married)>> 17, 18. >> Oh, come on. This one's not bad. >> Natalie, >> girl, [clears throat] I just said I was 12. Like, [laughter] >> come on, Natalie.

Brian Atlas>> Can't get much worse than that. We're gonna We're gonna You don't get a slice of pizza if you don't if you're just going to sit there pouting the rest of the night. >> Come on. Just This isn't a bad one. >> Oh my god. Are you going to answer other

Natalie/Morenaquestions or you just going to sit there? >> Done for >> Is she just ignoring me? >> Yeah, I think that it's just being a a bad guest. >> A bad >> Oh my god. Holy >> girl, shut the [ __ ] up. Honestly,

Erica (Married)>> make me >> That's the first thing you said. I'm glad you finally said something. Shut the >> [ __ ] up. You be sucking episode. You suck his dick the whole damn episode. >> I mean, I have a controversial opinion and now

Grace (Zoology)I'm a pig. >> No, you don't. Girl, you just >> you just ain't [ __ ] [ __ ] >> That's a yellow card for you, by the way. Um, >> yeah. >> Do you have >> kind of giving her what she wants by giving the yellow card cuz isn't that no talking for five minutes? Now she

Erica (Married)doesn't have to talk. >> We got to reverse it. She has to talk. Do you have do you have Do you have more here? How about you just talk [ __ ] to her uninterrupted? >> Is there a green card? >> I mean, hey, it's obviously getting more of a reaction than your direct

Brian Atlasquestions. So, >> Oh, wait. A green card. >> Uh, if you want, just put some in plates [laughter] for the guests. How many Do you know how many slices we have? Do you have enough for two two slices per guest?

Brian Atlas>> I'm sure we do. >> She if she's just not going to talk, you know, part of the yellow card. Uh, you don't get pizza. >> That's exploitation. >> You know what? Give her one pepperoni. >> Exploitation.

Brian Atlas>> Give her one. Do you like pepperoni? Maybe a few olives. Do you want applesauce? >> You're not yourself when you're hungry. [laughter] >> I have Do you want some applesauce? Hey,

Brian AtlasNatalie. Natalie. Natalie. Natalie. Natalie. Natalie. Natalie. [clears throat] Uh, Natalie. Natalie. Nata. Natalie. Nata. Natalie. Natalie. Natalie. >> Let me Let me feed you, girl.

Brian Atlas>> Girl. >> I'm good. Let me >> Girl, let me >> Girl, the accent. >> Hey, let me get you like a >> No, hold on. I'm not >> She [laughter] almost cracked a smile.

Brian Atlas>> She almost cracked a smile. >> You're not yourself when you're hungry. >> She's going to lunge across the table in a second. [laughter] >> Natalie, can we get you something, girl? Can we get you a energy drink? Can we

Brian Atlasget you uh Can we get you applesauce? You need alcohol. You want more champagne? I think what would make her feel better would probably be like stop like >> maybe everybody needs a

SPEAKER_07>> I just feel she's being stonewalling like imagine you know I'm just giving toxic boyfriend >> toxic boyfriend [laughter] >> it is >> Natalie like is this what you do in relationships Natalie

Brian Atlas>> Natalie >> relationships babe please >> damn you can't be stonewalling me like this Natalie what the [ __ ] >> Natalie has a 2-hour drive home I got a 1 hour

Brian Atlas>> all right well you know Look, we we all can't they Okay. Um >> Oh, you >> you know what, Nadley? >> I accept I accept it. >> I'm not mad.

Brian AtlasI'm just disappointed. [laughter] >> No, Dad. >> I'm not mad. I'm just disappointed. Okay. Um finishing off. Oh. Uh age. You lost your

Selinevirginity. Did >> um I just don't want to disclose any sexual information. >> Feel that. Yeah. it. I respect it. I mean, I I don't really want to either,

Brian Atlasbut I don't have an issue. Um, I was 17. >> Yeah, there's there's nothing wrong there. Um, >> Selena, >> do you want to answer the question? Uh, is she in the like the bathroom or

Brian Atlassomething? >> Okay, whatever. Uh, we can skip that then. >> Probably not though. >> Uh, okay. Final things from the questionnaire here. Uh, okay. Seline, you say men should provide,

Brian Atlasprotect, men should be chivalous. Iffy on men should pay on first dates. Uh iffy on husband should be willing to die protecting you. Take the bullet. Uh you will iffy on if you're going to keep your last name. I I don't know if

Brian Atlasthere's >> Are they N's next to the thing? >> What's that? >> Are they N's? They kind of look like N's >> squiggly, which I know. Oh, >> I guess just means maybe. >> Well, I'll go to Grace then. Uh Grace, you say men should pay on first dates.

Brian AtlasMen should provide protect. Men should be chivalous. I don't have like strict like opinions on all of these though. I don't know. I was kind of just like >> But like let's say uh you go on a date with a guy and he uh the you get dinner or whatever and he's like two checks

Grace (Zoology)when the waiter comes. >> Uhhuh. >> Um is that like an issue around? I guess >> um >> feel like it's kind of rude

Grace (Zoology)>> for the guy to not pay for the date. I feel like it's rude for either party to do that. It's like the perfect size >> to say two checks. >> Yeah. >> Oh, you mean like it's rude to the waiter or >> No, not rude. I would say that like I

Brian Atlaslike it would be nice like for both of us to offer. Like I always offer to like >> But if the guy takes you up on your offer and you guys do split it, will you feel the type of way? >> I mean, it depends. I'm also like a lot of the guys that I've been on dates with

Brian Atlasare like my age college students that are like struggling with money, so I get it. >> Okay. I see. All right. But I also love being paid for. That's nice because I'm also a broke college student. So, >> uh, Natalie, men should pay on first dates.

Brian Atlas>> Men should provide, protect, men should be chivalous. >> Yes. Oh my god. Na, the five minutes is over. Um, you're going to keep your last name or

Brian Atlashyphenated in marriage. >> Do you want it? No. >> Wait. Sorry. You said me. >> No, I'm talking to Natalie. Are What are you doing, Natalie?

SelenaAre you This isn't like controvers. This is just like me. >> Okay. Can you just like leave her alone? >> Well, I think if you've been invited on like a podcast where you talk >> Well, I mean it's been like 8 hours. Like how much longer yapping? You were

Selenayapping too much. >> Oh, come on. >> So, like how long do you think this is going to go? >> I don't know. We'll get this wrapped soon. >> Like how long? Can I have like an estimate? >> Probably 30 minutes. >> Okay. Well, >> that's the goal. But

Brian Atlas>> come on. If I don't get bogged down, like if people just >> I get that you're tired or whatever, but like it wastes time if I'm just like >> trying to p like pull. >> I know. But I think like this is it's

Selenait's get it's garnering to the point where like you know if we've been on here for like 7 and 1/2 hours and there's no like break. There's no break. It's >> not broke. >> Okay. But like when like when does it get to the point of like this is

Brian Atlasexploitation? You know what I mean? >> Oh, it was exploitation. Everybody volunteered to be here. >> Thank you. It was exploitation. >> Exploitation at hour one. >> Thank you. >> Can't believe we leave. >> You've all been exploited.

Brian Atlas>> Nobody's forcing us to stay here. Not physically, not legally. >> This is how women use language to like try to paint something in the most unflattering, uncharitable, bad faith, bad light way possible.

Brian Atlas>> I mean, what is it called when you literally you know who are exploited? Uh slaves. Not like somebody who's like in a [snorts] like, oh my god, that's so crazy. Exploitation. You guys are all here willingly. Nobody's being forced to

Brian Atlasdo anything. We're feeding you. There's drinks. There's champagne. That's not Come on. That's crazy. You guys are all here. We're having It was a fun convo. It was pretty light-hearted for the most part. No [ __ ] freakouts or anything.

Brian AtlasThat's crazy. Exploitation. Get the Get out of here with that [ __ ] Okay, so anyways, >> I will >> love it. Um, all right. So, Natalie, you're gonna

Brian Atlas>> The [ __ ] I don't speak Spanish. Speak. Can you speak English so I can understand? >> Oh my god. I can What did this girl say? She's uh You got a 20 uh 27year-old woman. She doesn't claim any of the guys

Brian Atlasshe's been with, the longest consecutive period of time. >> The longest consecutive period of time she's ever been with a guy in her 27 years of life is 5 months. I can kind of

Brian Atlasstart to see why that's the case. If if this is how you're acting in front of cameras in 4K, I can't imagine how you would act with your boyfriend. It's completely ridiculous.

Brian AtlasContinue the stonewall. By the way, stonewalling is like a really terrible tactic to do. Is this what you do? Oh my god, she's not even going to give me an answer. Congratulations on your

Brian Atlasstonewall. Real mature. Are you really 20? Like what? Okay, that's crazy. completely disrespectful. You guys and the girls here might be like, "Wow, Brian's being really harsh."

Brian Atlas>> Agreeing to come on a podcast where you're going to discuss things and she's going to throw a temper tantrum and do this little uh like it's it's ch completely childish

Brian Atlasto completely shut down like this. We've offered her. Okay, whatever. It's obviously frustrating, but whatever. Um Okay. Uh Selena, you say men should pay

Brian Atlason first dates. Men should provide, protect. Men should be chivalous. But you are going to keep your last name. >> Oh my god. This is You want to know why the wage gap exists? By the way, the

Brian Atlaswage gap doesn't exist. Is because you guys are in a comfortable uh studio. You guys are in a comfortable studio and this girl's [ __ ] >> Oh my god. I have to put in a a work

Brian Atlasday. >> I have to work for six, seven, eight hours. Uh, every Okay, everybody else does it. Kind of weird. Whatever. Um, it's just

Brian Atlasweird, man. It's [ __ ] stonewalling. It's pouty. It's ridiculous. [sighs] And if she just participate like it's wasting time, too. If her goal is to get out of here, just give me the answer.

Brian AtlasDon't do put on this act that's forcing me to waste more time. Whatever. I'll move it on. >> And then you got to wonder who the performance is for. >> Yeah. Whatever. >> White girl. Selena, men should pay on first dates.

Brian AtlasMen should provide protect. Men should be chivalous. Hold on. >> Sorry. I'm just curious. >> Yeah, listen to me right now. Uh, but you're going to keep your last name or hyphenate in marriage. So, do you want to get married?

Brian Atlas>> Um, if like [clears throat] the right person comes along, sure. >> Okay. Um, I guess my question to you is it seems like you want a man to fall more so into his traditional gender

Brian Atlasroles. pay on first aids, provide, protect, be chivalous. Why aren't you like I I guess how do you Well, what first how do you reconcile

Selenabeing a feminist but also holding men to traditional gender roles? >> I don't I mean I expect them I would say I expect them to protect >> Wait, can you just straighten your mic and fix it? >> Sure.

Selena>> Okay. >> Provide as well to a certain degree, but when it comes to

Selenalike traditional gender roles which is the man is providing and the woman the woman is staying home. Mhm. >> I personally would be providing as well, >> right? But I mean in in regards to

Brian Atlascertainly these things, you affirmatively said men should be shovel risk, men should pay on first dates. I watched one of your TikTok videos. You said 50/50 is [ __ ] The man should pay for everything. Um that seems to

Brian Atlasfall more so in line less with feminism and more with like a more traditional gender dynamic. You're clearly anti-atriarchy. You might even be like getting into misandry territory. Perhaps that actually makes sense then.

Brian Atlas>> Why? >> Well, I mean this essentially it's like well you dislike men so much. What else are they good for than to be a wallet for you? >> In any case, I saw your video. You're against 50/50. >> Okay. Thank you.

Brian Atlas>> Right. Is that is that correct? You're against 50/50. The man should pay for not just the first date, second date, like etc., etc. >> Why? How can you call yourself a feminist? How you can you be in favor of

Brian Atlasequality? How do you reconcile that with holding men to their traditional gender roles? This would seem to like uphold the patriarchy which you're claimed to

Selenabe against. So what I have to say to that is

SelenaI think that when it comes to relation having a relationship with a man, it benefits the man more than it does the w

Selenathe woman the woman that he's with. So that is to when men are paying I think it kind of alleviates that gap. Do all

Selenarelationships benefit the men more than the woman? >> I would say most relationships when men are with a woman, it benefits the man more than it does

Brian Atlasthe woman. >> 70% 80% 90% of relationships, >> I'd say 80%. >> 80%. Okay. Uh that's kind of interesting. In that case, what are the benefits? I don't

Brian Atlasknow if I want to go down that but um so I understand maybe if even if it is the case that men do benefit more in relationships which I think is a bit dubious.

Brian Atlas>> No they do. >> Well I can contest this. Why would this even if this was the case though why would this warrant like why would this

Brian Atlaswarrant you deviating from feminism and equality? So men traditional gender roles for men, >> modernity for women.

Selena>> Okay, that's not that's not necessarily the truth because I would be fine to pay for my own stuff. I do pay for my own stuff majority of the time.

Selena>> And why do you advocate for women doing 50/50? Okay. So what I what I personally believe is that I

Selenafind it more attractive when a man does pay. And I think most women would agree with that. And so for me

Selenathat is why I expect or I would desire a man to pay. So despite so I I don't

Brian Atlasthink women are beholden to like their base like base level like evoc biological drives. So yeah provide

Brian Atlasprotect that's going to just be like baseline appealing for like the vast majority of women. You're not beholden to that though. So, like what I guess is

Brian Atlaspreventing you from dating a guy who maybe he wants 5050 on providing and protecting and he wants to go 50-50 on first dates.

Selena>> I mean, I personally think that if I am in a relationship with that guy, the benefits of being in a relationship for him

Selenawould be much higher than for me. And so I personally would not care to be in that relationship. >> So is your is your claim that Sorry,

Erica (Married)just one moment. So is your claim that not only do men solely benefit from relationships with women, but simply a woman's presence benefits his life and betters it? Is that your claim?

Erica (Married)>> Yeah. >> I think that with that logic that men don't actually have to invest in marriage to reap those benefits. He would just need a pretty lady around in a pocket full of money. >> How do you think he's getting that

Erica (Married)pretty lady around? >> Probably because he has money and he's of value. >> Probably because many women are chasing him. >> Okay. I'm just saying with that with

Erica (Married)that logic, I could deduce that men don't actually need to invest in a real relationship with you to benefit what you think that they are going to benefit from. >> Okay. Sure. I I could personally argue

Selinethat um >> men benefit more in marriage >> than relationships >> cuz when you're a girlfriend, you're not really supposed to be doing all that stuff. And if you are, that's on you.

Seline>> I feel like about video. Pull up the about video. >> Let's do away with all this. >> Let's do it. >> I I don't mean to interrupt you, but um >> Well, what specifically are we talking about? Cuz I'm talking more of like wely duties.

Brian Atlas>> What were you going to say? >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I love this. I love this. So, I think >> that yes, women should absolutely doing be doing the wifey [ __ ] as soon as possible.

Brian AtlasThey should be doing all that [ __ ] as soon as possible. Maybe it doesn't have to be the first date, but I think that should come quick. [laughter] Well, I guess the expectation here is if you

Brian Atlasexpect men to do the husbandly duties and so like a manifestation of that would be well a manifestation of providing would be to pay on dates, pay on first, second, third dates.

Brian Atlas>> I would call a husband duty. >> Well, hold on. If it's an extension of providing >> like why can't >> in terms of women's preference for men ping on first dates why can't men just

Brian Atlasdo the uno reverse or reverse uno whatever it is and say hold on you know how like women will say oh you want me to cook and to clean and

Brian Atlasto take care of the household or whatever I'm not your mom what's stopping men from then saying okay you want to play this game I'm not your bad. I'm never going to protect

Brian Atlasyou. I'm never going to provide for you. I'm never going to pay for you. So, on one hand, women expect men to do the hus some of the at least husbandly [ __ ] right away.

Brian Atlas>> Okay, I can actually I can agree with that. >> And so, I guess but anytime we say women should do the wifey things, I'm not your mom.

SelineIn fact, even wives even wives are saying, "I'm not your mom." >> I I think that sentiment is more in regards to men that are just are not

Seline>> providing emotionally in like I think that yeah, if you're bringing money to the table, laundry done, >> dinner done, but if you still need to show up in other ways.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I think both both men and women need to show up. But I just think it's interesting that uh it's there's no problems saying

Brian Atlasthat men should women always say men should but there's a lot of push back when men say women should

Brian Atlaslike you you might say well uh men should be able to do this men should be able to do that but if we say women should do this women men should be take

Brian Atlasinitiative. Men should be leaders. Men should be XYZ, whatever. But if men say women should be submissive, women should be followers, women should cook, women should clean,

Brian Atlasthat's sexist. But when women say like I don't know if any of you responded to like men should husbands should die. Grace, husband should be willing to die protecting you.

Grace (Zoology)Take the bullet. Women >> Yeah. I mean, I like would want I would assume that the person that I was if I had a husband, like I would die for them, too. >> I It goes both ways. >> So, I I get that and that's a fair thing

Brian Atlasto say. However, I guess the framework that I would put this in is as a woman, if you lack that willingness

Brian Atlasor you for example, in a situation where you were to display cowardice, like let's say you ran away from like you were you were scared or it could even be

Brian Atlassomething as simple as like a spider. You see a spider. Oh my god, spider. You see a a rat. You see a mouse. Oh my god, mouse. Rat.

Brian AtlasA man. If you act scared or you're a c act like a coward or whatever, men aren't going to lose attraction for you for that. But as a man, if a man acts

Brian Atlasscared towards a spider, towards a rat, towards a mouse, or if he's a coward, he displays cowardice. He doesn't protect you, you're going to have a negative

Grace (Zoology)assessment of him. You're going to have a negative assessment of him. So, >> wait, I don't think we talked about this earlier. I don't know if you were at the table when we talked about it, but we were talking for a second about like if a guy like screamed at a mouse or

Grace (Zoology)something, I'd probably be like, "Oh, that's like kind of humanizes them a little bit and it's like kind of funny." >> Um, but like if they weren't willing to take a bullet for me, then that becomes a problem. But like being scared of like a spider or something is like I don't really care.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. But I in terms of sure maybe that's like trivial to you, but in terms of like a situation like Okay. uh your man on a run like in a situation where

Brian Atlasit's maybe life or limb or something and he runs away like a coward instead of like maybe standing by your side or whatever there would be like for most women I don't know about the case

Brian Atlasfor you there would be like really really massive probably really massive negative consequences there most women are going to lose attraction that's going to be a major issue whereas like if my girlfriend if like I don't know

Brian Atlassome [ __ ] goes down and she screams screams and runs away and hides and she's scared. I don't lose attraction for her. Like I don't because I don't look to women to be protectors. Women look to men to be

Grace (Zoology)>> Can I ask you a question then? Sure. >> So if like some guy is or some girl is coming up to you and is like slaps you and like your girlfriend's standing next to you and like runs away like you're going to be like pissed about that,

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