Brian CONFRONTS Woke Misandrist College Girl?! HEATED DEBATE! Based Girl RETURNS! | Dating Talk #269

Date: 2025-11-17

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSeline (Cosmetology)>

GGrace (Zoology)>

NNatalie/Morena Chinga >

LLauren (Buddhist)>

EErica (Married 264)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Seline(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lauren (Buddhist)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Selena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Natalie/Morena(guest)

SPEAKER_10Grace (Zoology)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Essie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Samra(guest)

SPEAKER_13Erica (Married)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

ControversySelena wants red pill men 'eradicated'

Key MomentBrian presents selective service as systemic male oppression. 40-min debate.

QuoteSelena: 'I think men suck. 60-70% of men suck.'

ControversyGrace prefers world without men. Selena cannot say no to snapping men away.

Key MomentLauren: Buddhist nun, FBI investigated for Jan 6

ControversySelena: 'white people invented racism'

OtherSelena leaves. Brian calls her most argumentative guest ever.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Selena (Georgetown/TikTok), Lauren (Buddhist nun/Jan 6).

Red Pill Eradication

Selena wants red pill men 'eradicated.' Brian challenges.

Selective Service Debate

40-minute debate on draft as male systemic oppression.

65% of Men Suck

Selena: 65% of men suck. Brian: that's sexist.

Stolen Land / Immigration

Selena: 'no one is illegal on stolen land.' Native American debate.

Snap All Men Away

Grace and Selena cannot say no to removing all men. Brian shocked.

Colombia / Palestine Allegiance

Natalie sides with Mexico/Palestine. Selena refuses to answer.

Lauren Jan 6

FBI investigated but did not arrest Lauren for Jan 6 attendance.

Body Count

Lauren: 5M/2W. Natalie: 100+. Essie: 12-13.

Bow Video

Brian shows ex bowing video. Selena uses it as grounds to leave.

Transcript

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Grace (Zoology)with. It's not really a factor. I mean, as long as they're not like obviously I want them to be like driven and have goals um and have [clears throat] something that they're focused on, but they don't it doesn't really matter to

Grace (Zoology)me like how much they're making as long as I truly [ __ ] with them. >> What about you? >> Um minimum 100k. >> Okay. Um

Lauren (Buddhist)what about you? >> Like 65k. I think character and compatibility matter more. Okay. Um, continuing down the line, please don't make me have to prompt you every time.

SamraUh, >> I think minimum like 30K. >> I don't care. >> 30K. >> I don't care. >> We have to survive, girl. >> Uh, we make less than we survive. >> What? Wait, where are you from? >> Ventura. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> I'm moving next month. So, >> I'm moving. I have to head out. So, they told me to say it on the show. >> Um, hold on. Let me at least get into your notes here really quick.

Brian AtlasUm, one sec. Uh,

Brian Atlasyou wrote uh that you went on this date with a guy who did real estate. He came to pick you up in a car and you thought he would have had a better car. >> Show of hands from the other women

Brian Atlaspanelists. Have you ever had this experience where maybe a guy claimed he had a certain career, talked a big game about his money, but then shows up and maybe he's

Brian Atlasnot really aligning with his uh how he displayed himself online or something like that? Anybody else? No. >> Okay.

Natalie/MorenaUh [sighs and gasps] but that's how you felt though. >> Yeah. And then Yeah. And then that was like the question about like the worst date or like he did. Yeah. And then he just ended up getting really drunk >> and it was >> Was it an issue though that he showed up

Brian Atlasin like a worse car than >> It was just a surprise. I was like, "Oh, >> yeah." I feel like that's how men feel about makeup. [laughter] >> Like you don't actually look like that. >> Um look better.

Selena>> I mean makeup doesn't change much of your face to be frank with you. >> It does. Or a picture versus in person. You can take an amazing [laughter] picture with makeup and in person it can look totally different.

Erica (Married)>> You are correct that if you are taking a photo with makeup, >> the photo can look a little bit different. >> Well, you can even do like almost illusionbased makeup where it's like

Selenachanging your facial structure. >> But if you're someone in 3D, does it really make that much of a difference other than changing the color of like certain things, right? Makeup is

Erica (Married)just color based. >> No, cuz makeup also goes and it like redefineses your face. So it like completely changes how the structure of your face just looks like. So a lot of people do get that deep into makeup as as somebody I think I have a place to

Selinespeak on this. As somebody who does very heavy makeup, it's very stylized. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's very stylized. I do this makeup. Um it's like Chinese style makeup. >> Yeah. It reminds me of like anime eyes.

SelineIt's so pretty. It's Yes. It's very intentional. Um, I will say that you're both right to a degree. Makeup doesn't shift my entire face. In certain lightings, you're going to see that shadow. >> You're going to see it like you're going

Selineto see >> you're contouring. You're doing a lot. >> There is a lot going on. But at the end of the day, it while I would say in a picture, yes, with certain lighting, yeah, I can hit that and I look like a totally different person.

Seline>> But when people are looking at me, >> I still I look a little weird for sure. But I don't think that you would like not be able to recognize me if I took it off. >> Well, I mean, we do a segment at the

Brian Atlasvery end of the show where we have everyone take off their makeup. So, if you want to participate in that >> sounds we we have makeup wipes. Um, okay. But uh >> that is

Brian Atlas>> I I actually think though on that topic I think um in terms of the attraction difference that can be created through magic I guess make makeup or making up that you're richer than you actually

Brian Atlasare. I think makeup has a far more pronounced effect than [snorts] a guy who is making up things about his career or financial situation. So, like the difference that

Brian Atlaslike makeup can make in terms of a man being attracted to you or more attracted to you is way more than if guy Look, by the way, guys should not lie about that [ __ ] That's [ __ ] lame. But [snorts]

Brian Atlasif he does, oh, I'm a [ __ ] baller. I'm a rich. Maybe that has some impact, but I don't think it's as much as the impact that makeup does. Um, [snorts]

Brian Atlaslet's see. And then I guess some of your other notes here. Um, okay. You don't believe in using dating apps. You feel like it should be natural in fate to meet humans. >> The universe will always put the right

Brian Atlaspeople in front of you. >> I mean, I guess at least related to dating apps, I partially agree with you in terms I think dating apps are bad for both men and women. >> Although perhaps for different reasons.

Brian AtlasUm, I but I think it's only women who can say stuff like that. Like fate in universe will put the right person there for me because I think women don't really initiate. M

Brian Atlas>> so for you women uh it does feel like the universe put this man here while for men we have to take a very proactive approach

Brian Atlas>> to when it comes to meeting off of dating apps. So like I think women can say the universe and fate but like if a man's like you know what I'm just going to kick back and not do anything and be passive

Brian Atlasuniverse and fate is not going to award you a girlfriend. >> Men have to take action. Men have to take initiative and so I think it is a different little perspective there. >> I take initiative too. I take initiative too. Feel like similar.

Brian Atlas>> Hold up. Hold up. So look, I acknowledge that like some women sometimes I'm not saying it's a universal like women never approach men. However, I would argue that 99% of the time when somebody's

Brian Atlasapproaching somebody, the man's approaching the woman. When a man's sending sliding into the DM or when somebody's sliding into the DMs, it's a man sliding into the DMs. when um it's a man making the first move or sorry, oh

Natalie/Morenamy god, I need to rephrase it. [laughter] If it's somebody making the first move, overwhelmingly it's the man. >> Yeah. I've had many moments that I'm like, I see a guy and I see that he sees me and then he doesn't come up to me. So, I'm like, you know what? I'm going to go up to him. And then he's like, oh,

Brian Atlasthat he wanted to talk to me and I was like, see, like, why didn't you? >> Well, I mean, I would make it simple like this. Of all the times, how how many times have you been approached by men? Hundreds. >> Yeah. >> Thousands. [laughter]

Natalie/MorenaHow many times have you approached men? >> Hundreds. >> Hundreds. >> 50. 50. Fine and half. >> No, but I I really do. I feel like a lot of times men like they tell me that I'm intimidating or like they I don't know. They always say like, "Oh, that they wanted to talk."

Natalie/Morena>> I don't know. You don't really seem that intimidating. No offense. >> Should that be I don't think I think cuz I'm really tall. [laughter] I think cuz I'm really tall. I'm like I'm 5. >> They'll climb you. Um [laughter] >> I don't know. I think uh you look at

Brian Atlaslike the average woman's experience versus the average man's experience. I think like the average woman's like probably by the time she's 30 has been approached hundreds of times. If not that then like at least dozens, right? I

Brian Atlasthink the average man by the time he's 30 zero. >> No, >> maybe one time but zero. Um so I think like I don't know for women like it

Brian Atlasfeels like fate or the universe. But that's because men took the proactive steps to to allow that sort of uh

Brian Atlasperception to even be possible. Um so I don't know. Um >> happy he did. Happy he made my perception. >> Um okay.

Brian AtlasUh anyways, >> so but I my impression I mean the >> we were expecting you to stay till like 11:12. It's like 8 8:00. So, there's a lot more to the show. So,

Natalie/Morena>> is it going to be dating? Is it going to be more on like race? Like, >> I mean, it's going to be all over the place, you know? >> Who knows? >> Didn't you bring up the native? I don't remember. [laughter] >> No, someone said it on the thing. Okay. >> I was in the bathroom.

Natalie/Morena>> Well, we were talking about illegal immigration. >> We were talking about illegal immigration, I guess. >> Okay. >> Uh, so you're staying then. I love it. >> I'm not. [laughter] >> Hi. Thank you. Have a good night. I'll

Brian Atlasget home safe. Half off. Just take for a sec. >> Uh here. I'll be right back. >> Bro, I want to move. I like hate. >> Oh, sorry.

Selena>> Where are you going? >> Right there. >> Oh, okay. >> Cuz I like lowkey hate this wall. >> It hurts your neck kind of, doesn't it? >> And I like have to keep seeing if I'm >> now we get to sit together. >> He's probably going to have you sit there again.

SPEAKER_02We want the first chair. >> The first chair is special. >> The first chair is special. It's the best one. Yeah. That means >> uh Felicity ask [sighs]

Brian Atlasthem to name >> already >> name Felicity one power from each side from World War II. >> Bro,

SPEAKER_02>> I don't even know that. >> I don't even know. Same girl was a while ago, guys. >> Well, you you know it. >> Oh, >> do you want me to say? >> Yeah, you can say it.

SPEAKER_02>> Okay. Um, actually, does anyone else >> Which war did he say again? >> Go. >> A power from each side of >> But which one? >> World War II. >> Oh, World War II. Okay, >> just name one. One. >> Soviet Union. >> Axis versus Alex.

SPEAKER_02>> Well, you just stole mine. >> Yeah, Axis. >> Wait, are we talking about one or two? >> Two from each. >> He said He said two. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, I guess name >> Soviet Union. >> Okay.

Essie>> Um, the United States. >> Okay. Germany. >> I don't know if that's the power. >> I thought we were naming one from each thing. Oh, we're just going in. Girl, I don't know. What did we already say?

EssieUnited States, Germany, and um, Russia. Oh, we already said Soviet Union. Um, >> China. Nope. Girl, I don't know. [laughter] >> The biggest ones. >> Like [ __ ] >> Japan. Didn't they do Pearl Harbor?

SPEAKER_02>> Yes. >> Yes. >> RIP. >> That did happen. >> Still can't talk about it. >> Wait, guys. Okay. So, like the mics, the people like they can't tell the difference between like who's talking.

SPEAKER_02So, if we're all like talking or like saying like little side things, they can't differentiate where it's coming from. >> I'm back. >> Was the UK one?

Brian Atlas>> Oh, sorry. Uh, okay. Sorry. We have some chats we're going to get through. Uh, >> a message from the government of Canada. >> Pasty George donated $2004.

SPEAKER_00>> Hasty >> chair eight is right. Why are feministic women vilifying men while also trying to force them to meet their expected standards which includes traditional

SPEAKER_00male roles and duties like chivalry? >> Um, okay.

Brian Atlas>> No comment. No comment. Okay. >> Thank you, Pasty. >> Uh, Jack Paul, thank you for your super chat. Okay. Um, oh, uh, yo, Tim, >> I [laughter] don't want to like ah, you

Brian Atlassent in a 500, but he didn't do it through it's got to be through Streamlabs here. Here's the compromise, Tim. >> 67. >> Tim, here's the compromise we're going

Brian Atlasto make. Um, you can mute her microphone in one hour. >> Bet. Um, you need to send

Brian Atlasuh just I don't want to send a send a read via Streamlabs streamlabs.com whatever. I'm not going to fully screw you on it, but it it does

Brian Atlashave to be done through Streamlabs. We can't do it through YouTube. Um, >> so we'll do it later. If you want, send in

Brian Atlasa 10 and you will or you know what? Here you can send in a 10 at a other time you want it [gasps] or uh [sighs]

Brian Atlashuh how do I do this? Actually you got to cuz YouTube god um send in the hundred on Streamlabs and we'll do it another time and you you get

Essieto pick the time. Okay. Uh I'm not trying to screw you but thank you for the soup chat. >> Why are they all trying to mute me? Y'all are >> spicy. Oh Essie, can I have you read the these next ones? Chair one, I wish you were as right about what you say as you

Essieare confident. By the way, your voice is like nails on a chalkboard. CBH Oh, sorry, it's eight. Chair 8 is based and has a brain. >> Thank you, Spicy. >> So, first of all, >> hey, chair one, since >> Hold on, you can do your response. Go

Selenaahead. >> So, first of all, my name is Selena, not chair one. Okay, second. >> Rude. How dare you call her chair? >> Yeah, that's kind of weird. That's [ __ ] up. Like, I actually I

Selena>> call her Selena from now on. Um, and since you're so obsessed, you can go to my Tik Tok @ Selena the Yapper on Tik Tok and Instagram and leave your lovely comments there. >> Okay, >> go ahead.

Essie>> Okay, go ahead. >> Hey, chair one, since you're Muslim, did you know Muslims have had slaves longer than what America has been around? Not to mention way more brutal to their slaves. Do you feel guilty?

Selena>> So, PJ G. Um, if you didn't if you didn't understand that America has not existed as long as slavery has been

Selenaaround. So, yes, that makes sense cuz America did not exist thousands of years ago. >> Is that Wait, is that

Brian Atlas>> you are not prepared? >> It's like a World of Warcraft. >> Do I feel also do I feel guilty?

SelenaYeah, I think about it a lot and I try to reconcile how slavery was permitted in within religion. Even though the that religion when it came down, it fought to

Selenaeradicate and end slavery, I still have a hard time with reconciling that >> it was even allowed to exist. So yes, I do deal with guilt. It's called being

Brian Atlas>> a caring human. >> While I was away, Selena. Oh god,

Brian Atlas>> I heard you say something uh that I took objection to and uh you said uh that you think men suck. [laughter]

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Yeah, >> I'm actually a little disappointed that none of the women decided like I think for example I would never think to say women suck. I think that's a misogynistic bad thing to say. Disavow

Selenait, disagree with it. Uh, do you actually do you believe that >> that men suck? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I think there are a lot of men that suck. But that does that mean all men suck? >> Did I say all? >> But if you're saying

Selena>> what did you say? >> I said verbatim. >> Men suck. >> Which would imply all men? >> Okay. [clears throat] Well, then I recant that. I say majority of men suck. >> A majority of men suck.

Brian Atlas>> I'm still prepared to object to even your reframing. Okay. >> Why do a majority? Why do a majority? Well, actually, before we get into that, who agrees with her? >> You You agree? >> I would say a majority.

Brian Atlas>> Some of them kind of some of them. >> But she's saying all men or majority of men suck. Into the mic. Into the mic. >> Agree. >> I love some of them and I don't like some of them. >> Sure. There's bad men. There's good men.

Brian AtlasBut when we're talking about majority, we're talking When you say majority, what percent? Hm.

SelenaI'd say if I'm being generous, 60 se 60 to 70%. >> Well, let's not be generous. Let's be

Brian Atlasrealistic. From your perspective, >> we'll say 65 >> is your like realistic estimate. Estimate of the amount of men that suck.

Brian Atlas>> 65%. >> Okay, I see. >> I'd probably agree with 65%. 65% of men suck. >> Yeah. >> Suck. [snorts] >> Yeah. >> What is

Brian Atlas>> like how about evil? >> Oh, that's different than suck. Yeah, >> it is different than suck. Uh, what about our trash? Let's do that one. >> That's say 65. >> Still 65. What about you? Cuz I think

Brian Atlassuck. >> What do you mean by like our trash? How would you define our trash? >> Whatever your sense of your sense of what trash I think trash is worse than suck. >> Right. Okay.

Grace (Zoology)>> So, it's a bit worse of a categorization than suck. >> Still 65. [sighs] >> Like are absolute trash. Maybe like 50. >> 50. Okay. >> Wow. >> Uh, what do you think?

Brian Atlas>> 50. >> 50. Okay. I have a qu um do you guys think are you against sexism? >> Yeah. >> Is sexism wrong? >> Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. What do you against sexism? >> I'm against sexism and I think it's wrong. And is it wrong? What? What about you? Against sexism. Is it wrong?

Brian Atlas>> That's how I feel right now. >> You got this. You got this. >> Is sexism wrong? >> Yeah. >> Okay. Um,

Brian Atlasif I were to say, and I don't believe this, but if How about this? If a man were to say, "Majority of women suck. Women suck. Women are trash.

Brian AtlasWould you object to that categorization? >> Yes. >> Yeah. I'd ask him why he feels that way. >> So great. Now, and but do you believe you guys are being sexist towards men?

Grace (Zoology)>> No. Because I think that >> um sexism is based on the historic oppression of a group of people. And since men have historically not been oppressed, I don't think you can be sexist towards them.

Grace (Zoology)>> You You don't think you can be sexist towards men? >> No. as a woman? No. What >> how do you define sexism? >> Um,

Grace (Zoology)hatred towards or just being unfair towards a gender be and they've also been historically oppressed. >> Okay. So, you're basically

Brian Atlas>> add that >> uh sexism equals prejudice plus power. >> Yeah. >> Okay. So, for examp let me give you a

Brian Atlasscenario. A woman uh murders a man who's a stranger. It's not in self-defense and she does so because he's a man. Is that a sexist act?

Grace (Zoology)>> I just think that's like a crazy like hypothetical. >> Do you think has that ever happened? >> Do you think men do that to women? [clears throat] >> I don't think so. I don't think anyone's murdering anyone because of their gender. >> Hasn't >> Whoa. Mhm. What?

Brian Atlas>> Well, I mean, some feminists would disagree, I guess. But >> though, >> um, >> regardless of uh >> Oh, well, I don't know. I don't know. >> Well, do you think people get like assassinated for their political beliefs or like their identity?

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Like, for example, if I if I reframe this from a like to a racial lens, do you think in the history uh like has a white person ever killed a black person for like racially motivated reasons?

Grace (Zoology)>> Yes. And perhaps perhaps the opposite motivated reasons to kill someone. >> So in this hypothetical though, and I grant that it's probably rare, >> where a woman murders a man because he's

Brian Atlasa man. That's her. It's not self-defense or anything like that. Just kills him. She hates men and she wanted to >> kill a man. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Is that sexism? >> I would just say that's like crazy. I don't like

Grace (Zoology)>> Sure. It would be really crazy. >> Okay. Yeah. Sure. You could call it's sexism. Yeah. Maybe it's not like, >> but I'm confused. But she's I mean, under your definition of sexism,

Erica (Married)wouldn't she be precluded of having committed a sexist act? >> I just it's just like not that black and white like that. I don't think >> personally I think being discriminatory

Erica (Married)is being discriminatory. It's, you know, straight across the board for me. I mean, be it racism, sexism, etc. That's just it's pretty black and white to me. I think there's [laughter] a difference between discriminating against women when they have been historically

Erica (Married)oppressed versus discriminating against man a man who hasn't been. >> Could we argue that sexism could exist without the historical context? Like it could exist. You could still discriminate somebody based on their sex

Erica (Married)without historical context. You could just judge them on their sex. Maybe you just think that your sex is better because you're you and they're them. >> Oh, I have a good question to test this. Um,

Brian Atlaslet's see. Um, do you realize uh would you acknowledge that a black person could hold racist sentiments towards Asian people?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Because black people in America have not uh in terms of black oppression in America, I don't think you can make the argument that like Asian people uh oppressed black people.

Brian AtlasI just feel like it's just a different situation. >> Well, can Asian people be racist towards black people? >> Yes. >> Can black people be racist towards Asian people? >> Yes.

Grace (Zoology)>> Oh, okay. Well, um >> Well, that's different though because that's different than like men and women. It's like men. there's men and women and then like men have oppressed

Brian Atlaswomen and it's just a different hypothetical than like if you're talking about black and Asian people >> it's not like there's a specific oppress oppressor in that duo >> right but I'm just I guess I'm trying to

Brian Atlassee in this instance would you argue that both of these races have been historically oppressed? >> Yes, both of them have been historically oppressed. >> Okay. And so absent

Brian Atlasone of these races being the perpetrator of said historical oppression, then how would you come to like how would you arrive at a determination that somebody's been racist if it your

Brian Atlasdefinition was uh well perhaps it

Brian Atlastrying to think here. So again, just just so I'm clear, your definition is in order for somebody to be racist towards somebody else, uh, or for somebody to experience racism, they

Brian Atlashave to be part of a minority group and experience prejudice.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. >> Okay. So I guess technically then minorities can be racist under this definition. Minorities can be racist to other minorities because regardless of

Brian Atlaswhich direction the racism is going, they're both part of a although the the person doing the racism

Brian Atlasis not an oppressor, which confuses me. >> How do you reconcile racism being able to exist between two

Erica (Married)uh oppressed racial groups? Uh, >> so I'm curious with that with that logic of sexism, would that mean that you also don't think that you can be racist towards a white person?

Grace (Zoology)>> Yeah, I don't think you can be racist towards white person unless it's like okay, there are like instances like Irish people were really um affected by like there was a lot of hatred towards

Erica (Married)Irish people in um >> that led to like the potato famine and everything. >> Right. Right. But if you like if you like look at me and you look like like another like reddishhaired girl like you wouldn't be able to really tell like which one of us is more Irish and maybe

Erica (Married)you're just going to judge us based off the color of our skin. I still feel like that would be racist even without the historical context of slavery. >> I just think it's like you could call it racism. It's just it's super super

Erica (Married)>> like it's super different if there's historical oppression. >> I still think that Yeah, I still think it's harmful discrimination at the end of the day. And then even when you're projecting this onto men, it's also creating this like weird fear around men

Erica (Married)and a prejudice. And it is, you know, I think it's harmful to society personally. [snorts] >> What exactly? >> The prejudice and the discrimination of men and you know, basically saying all

Brian Atlasmen are bad because of what few men do. I don't think all men are bad. Well, >> why you think 65% of men are bad? [laughter] >> Wait, really quick. >> I think most men really quick. Um, I don't know if my producers hid this, but uh, normally I keep these up so I can

Brian Atlasshout them out. Cat, thank for the gifted 50 memberships. And Ogle, thank you for the gifted 50 memberships. Um, >> well, I guess the reason I bring this up

Brian Atlasis you I guess if you're racist towards white people or you're sexist towards men >> from your purview, >> uh, assuming the racist thing being done is equivalent equivalent in the sense

Brian Atlasthat it's the same thing. So, for example, uh a white person walks up to a black person and punches them in the face because they're black versus a white person and let's say they have comparable strength or whatever. A black

Brian Atlasperson walks up to a white person and punches them in the face and they both suffer the same injury and the pain is equivalent or whatever. Um

Brian Atlasyou would you agree that that that those are both racist acts? >> Like sure you could say they're racist. are just super super different. >> Uh, how are they different though?

Brian Atlas>> Because black people have been oppressed >> I over history >> I suppose I understand but in terms of the harm done >> Uhhuh. >> Um, [clears throat] can you make a case for why one is worse than the other?

Grace (Zoology)>> Yeah. A white man punching a black man is like >> because they're black. >> Because they're black is feeding into a massive racist agenda.

Selena>> It's also not that. It's also the systemic repercussions that come from it, right? So, if a white man is punching a black man, white men tend to have a lot more privilege judicially in

Selenathe courts when it comes to >> I it definitely is the case. >> Um, versus when black men are being

Selenatried, they tend to face much higher sentencing, much longer jail time, and much higher fines. So

Selena>> yes, while the action may be the same, the repercussions that come for it in terms of judicial repercussions, in terms of arrests, etc. are much higher.

Brian Atlas>> Well, per perhaps this might be the case and perhaps you might be able to point to some evidence of bias or discrimination in the court system. Uh but again, my point relates to the harm inflicted on the individual. So that's a

Brian Atlassecondary thing. If you're the perpetrator of a crime, perhaps you do encounter biases in the court system. Sure, I'll go ahead and grant it. But I'm pointing to something different,

Brian Atlaswhich is the racist component of that. So that that's like secondary uh downstream effects of somebody's violence. >> I mean, if we're talking about race here

Selenaand racism, sure, if by definition, textbook definition, people can be racist to white people. Do I think it has the same systematic implications and harm? Absolutely not.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I mean, I don't see how you can get around from assuming two people, a black person and a white person, have the same level of force. >> Yeah, I just explained judicial repercussions, >> right? But in ter you're saying harm, so

Brian Atlaswhen I'm thinking of harm, I'm thinking of the victim. And in this case, if you have uh two men, one white, one black, who are equivalent strength and they throw the same punch, uh the actual physical harm done to the person, I

Brian Atlaswould say, is equal. And then if it was racially motivated, the racial the racial component of it component of it is equivalent. It's wrong for both.

SelenaYes, I sure of course I can agree that it's wrong for both. But I'm saying the implications are much higher when it is a person of color that has been system systematically oppressed. And then [clears throat] on top of that, if we

Brian Atlaswere going to talk about the victim, one victim may seek justice from the person that harmed them while another may not. >> I mean, look, I I actually I'm not sure I fully even buy into your position on

Brian Atlasthat, though. I think I would say >> so you don't think that bias towards people of color? >> I think it it can exist. However, this I I I would actually point to, for

Brian Atlasexample, I think there's a lot of handwaving actually by the media and also actually in terms of the social pressure that's enacted upon the judicial or or the court the criminal court system >> only in some cases only if it's

Brian Atlastelevised. >> Hold on. I I think it actually first I'll start with the media. I actually think that the media absolutely has a field day when the perpetrator is white

Brian Atlasand the victim is black. However, you reverse the roles. I see often times there's a lot of handwaving by the media and we can we can actually point to this. There's been many police killings

Brian Atlasof white men that that are actually worse than George George Floyd's killing and they've been completely handwaved away. There's one just absolutely

Brian Atlasappalling video where uh I've seen two I I saw two actually um around that time period where one guy was made to crawl a white man was made to crawl to the

Brian Atlaspolice and they killed him with a firearm. Uh I can't recall the name of the case but people in the chat might actually be able to if anybody in the chat knows the one Tony Tempa I think it is. And then there was another one where

Brian Atlasit wasn't in the hallway, but a white man was killed by a police officer. When white men are killed by police officers, tons of media handwaving, don't really care. There's not mass protests and

Selenariots. >> It's absolutely the case. And then also, >> when white people are killed in the in the media, it is always sensationalized, especially missing men, missing white men or missing white women or missing white children versus black men and

Brian Atlaswomen. remember that that the high school track meet where some poor like Asian white boy was uh he was stabbed to death by by

Brian Atlasa black male uh high school student stabbed to death at a track meeting, >> right? And there's a lot of handwaving in the media. >> No, that that was also

Selenathey raised like millions of dollars or something for a GoFundMe. >> Okay. There was also there was also a white woman who called a black >> Don't say the word. I I know what you're talking about. >> I don't say the word. [laughter] I would never do that.

Selena>> I know what you're talking about. That's wrong by the way that she was behaving that way. >> Yeah. And and she also got $1 million in a GoFundMe as well. You know, like we can we can give the we can cite all these examples, but if we're looking at it statistically

Selenaspeaking, >> black men are killed at a higher rate by the [snorts] police for doing way way less than a white man, >> okay, >> would be doing.

Selena>> Yeah. I mean, I'd be probably at least per capita you I would actually have to h I'd have to look at per capita stats. I mean, if we're talking about the police force, the police force was literally created

Selena>> as a way to police slaves and give them back to No, that's that's accurate. That's fake news. It was No, it's not fake news. It was created >> You don't think You think Hold on. You think police enforcement, law

Selenaenforcement is >> isn't like thousands of years old? >> No, I'm talking about specifically in the United States. The reason it became the reason it created and become so

Selenapopularized was because of >> property specifically slaves running away. That is how our modernday police started. It's not fake news. It's not fake news. Completely fake news.

Selena>> Um I go to university and I study this. Where do you get your news from? >> Hold on. You where do you study at any sociology? >> No, I study foreign policy at Georgetown University.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. I mean, I'm sure you've gotten some sort of like ridiculous propaganda presented. >> No, there's no propaganda. It's just accurate research studies that and papers that I read.

Brian Atlas>> So, just to be clear, there was no law enforcement prior to slavery in the United States. >> Oh my god. >> You You think law enforcement? >> I'm saying our modernday police force was started.

Brian Atlas>> That's ridiculous. >> That's not ridiculous. Search it up. You'll find it. Yeah. I'm sure there's a bunch of like woke liberal [ __ ] like revisionist history or whatever. Nope.

Brian Atlas>> Here, answer this. Uh, are there other things that law enforcement can concern itself besides uh slave related matters?

Selena>> It was created in order to protect property. Okay. At the time, >> what this is a complete revisionist. >> Okay. So if you want to if you just want

Selenato brush away my point and laugh at it without citing accurate facts then okay. >> I can demonstrate it just simply logically. Um >> I don't need you to demonstrate it logically. I can demonstrate it. I do my research. I know what I read.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. So do you think there were any societies that existed where uh do is can crime exist absent slavery? >> Sure. >> Okay. So, if

Selena>> I'm telling you what I'm telling you, the modern-day police force that we know now. >> Okay, you know what? You can laugh. >> I'm I'm sorry, but to say that law

Selenaenforcement in this country existed strictly due to slavery. >> I never said it strictly, but I said that the the the police force that we

Selenacurrently have at its grandiosity, we have so many of those officers. Mhm. >> Because

Selenaslaves were running away and they needed enforcement to ensure that the slaves could remain in their owner's possession. >> There's probably no dispute that yes,

Brian Atlaswhen slavery slavery was legal. Yes. Okay. uh law enforcement had a hand in like slave related like that is when it became that when this idea that like law

Brian Atlasenforcement wasn't like a base necessity for society and civilization that's you seem to be like ignoring the the general idea that crime is a thing and we're

Selenagoing to have law enforcement officers uh combat crime and investigate crime. >> Yeah, I understand that and I'm not ignoring that. I'm saying it became as rampant and as large and what we know it

Selenatoday to be the modern police force due to slavery. >> We can do a quick judge. >> It's okay. Um, we're off topic here. >> You can't do a judging what I'm saying.

Seline>> What I was referring to by the argument earlier of like we can't just agree when it's necessary. I feel like there are plenty of points where Brian has made and it's like objectively just agree with him. just agree with him and then go from there. >> W

Brian Atlas>> and then go from [laughter] there. >> Sorry. Hold on. So So look, let's >> I'm not going to pretend to agree just to like we don't need to we don't need to linger on it longer. But my question, we're going back to this this whole

Brian AtlasLook, you said that men are trash. You agree. You think men suck. You think men suck. You think men are trash. You guys are against sexism. How do you reconcile uh thinking it's like that counter

Brian Atlasstatement if I if it were to be said about women? How can you say that that's wrong to say but then not say that it's wrong to say that same thing about men? >> Okay. I wouldn't say that men sucked if

Brian AtlasI didn't experience that in the past. Like I if men didn't suck, I wouldn't say that. >> Okay, perfect. So [sighs and gasps] it's a very common phenomenon and I

Brian Atlasthink because there isn't push back in society when this when this is directed towards men essentially if we take your position to

Brian Atlasits logical conclusion >> somebody who is like severely racist >> can say because I had bad experience

Brian Atlaswith this group racial group I can be racist. ist what you're telling me now is you've had bad experiences with men. I'm sorry that's happened to you. That's

Brian Atlasterrible. Maybe they were really bad, right? That doesn't give you or a racist for example. Justification to map that on to an entire race or in this case to

Grace (Zoology)an entire gender. >> Okay. So, in my life, if we were did like a sample study and like we use like my life as a sample and I could say 65% of the men that I've interacted with

Grace (Zoology)generally suck then and that's like a pretty like I mean I guess like it wouldn't be the most accurate sample in the world because I have like lived in one place my entire life. It's not like I've like

Grace (Zoology)been all over the world. Um >> so, but I don't know. I feel like it makes sense to apply that to the rest of your life or to the rest of the population. >> You're going to have to be consistent though. So, you're going to have to

Brian Atlasgrant then if a white person can tell you, you know, >> push it down, >> I've had 65% of this racial group, I've had bad experience with them.

Grace (Zoology)Based on your metric, you're going to have to say your racism is fine. Where you and me differ is I would say that's wrong. >> Yeah. I don't think it's correct to like

Grace (Zoology)be a white person and say I've had like 65% horrible experience with this discriminated race and then >> Why is it okay for women then to do it? >> To to do what?

Brian Atlas>> To [clears throat] have hold hateful uh to to hold sexist uh >> I don't hold hate in my heart though. I don't let that >> well okay >> become hateful. I don't have any place in my heart for

Grace (Zoology)>> well you okay your position 65% of men are awful and you seem to say like okay >> and what else would I base my you asked me to say what percent of men do I think suck what would what evidence would I

Grace (Zoology)use >> if not like my own past experiences like where would you draw like what percent of men do you think suck and where are you getting that and why are you thinking that

Brian Atlas>> well I mean ultimately I think my point here is that I think obviously you can't undo the bad interactions you've had in your past and in your present.

Brian Atlas>> But when you start mapping that on and then you start having uh just generalized negative resentment or negative attitudes towards a group of

Brian Atlaspeople based off of your previous experiences with some people who belong to said group. I don't see how you can

Brian Atlasget around not labeling that as sexism or as I described as racism. >> I mean, I don't think I'm sexist.

Brian Atlas>> Well, I mean, okay, if I said that the majority of women are trash, is that a sexist statement? >> Like, if you've had that experience, [clears throat] then it would make sense for you to think that.

Grace (Zoology)>> But would it be sexist? >> Like, sure. I feel like we're debating like the language of it. >> I don't I I don't think so. >> Okay. I don't know. Do you think I'm crazy for

Grace (Zoology)thinking that like 65% of men suck if I've had that experience? >> Um I mean I think >> where do you want me to get where do you want me to draw like a percentage from? >> If [clears throat and cough] it's not my my own experience.

Brian Atlas>> There doesn't really need to be a percentage then. >> Well, yeah. So, am I supposed to answer are 65% of >> uh the men in your family, father, brother, cousins, are they

Grace (Zoology)trash? Do they suck? >> I only have really one man in my or maybe two. I have my uncle and my grandpa are the only like men in my family. And they're both great, but they're they're like two people. >> Okay. >> Within like the hundreds of men that

Brian AtlasI've met. >> Sure. I guess uh you have it may be the case that perhaps you have disproportionately had bad

Brian Atlasinteractions with men. Uh I I look I don't know you. 65% seems excessively high. Maybe it's hyperbole but I mean think of all the men that you

Brian Atlaswalk past when you're walking to class and those are completely uneventful. Like, are you telling me 65% of the men

Brian Atlasthat walk past you like jeer or cat call you or say something inappropriate? My my guess is you probably when you were walking to class at UCSB, you passed by

Brian Atlashundreds of men every day and they completely ignore you and no bad things happen whatsoever. >> Yeah, but those aren't men I've met. So, how would I say if they suck or not? I have no place to say that if I've never met them.

Brian Atlas>> Uh, right. that would have to you would have to encapsulate that to some degree uh as it relates to your perhaps not as extensive experience with a wide range of men who have not harmed you any in

Brian Atlasany way. >> Wait, so what's your question or what are you what's your statement that you're saying right now? Uh well, [sighs] I mean, look, you guys are saying that a really, really large

Brian Atlasproportion of men and you're mapping on like of the men you've met, might it be the case that you 65% of the men you've

Brian Atlashad like longer interactions with, those men sucked. But then when you do this thing where

Brian Atlasyou map that on to 65% of men, you didn't say 65% of men you met. You said

Brian Atlas65% of men bad, suck, trash, whatever. It would be like okay maybe like say I uh

Brian Atlasha you know of the 100 Asian people that I encountered 50 55% of them were I had a bad experience with

Brian Atlasthem. I don't think I can map on that experience to all Asian people. >> Mhm. >> I think that would be I think that would be racist. >> Yeah, I agree.

Grace (Zoology)Well, then you'd have to say that your position is sexist. >> If you want to call me sexist, you could call me sexist. I don't think I'm sexist. >> It's not about you. It's about the stance you're taking.

Grace (Zoology)>> Yeah. Okay. I'll say also aspects maybe instead of like they suck, like aspects of them suck. I would say like >> Well, I mean, everyone has aspects of them that suck. Like it's just like

Brian Atlas>> here I guess here's an easy test. If you make a statement about men and then you replace men with women and if your statement starts sounding sexist or

Brian Atlasyou replace men with a racial group, you can it can be black people and then you you input black person instead of men. And if your statement starts to sound

Brian Atlasproblematic, if it was said about black people, then you have to contend with the fact that if the statement becomes racist, then there's a very good chance that the

Brian Atlasoriginal statement was sexist in the direction of men. >> Yeah, I can see your reasoning there.

Brian Atlas>> Selena, >> you said uh what did you say? all men are suck or something or most men suck or >> most men majority I think is what she said.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Um I mean I kind of take issue with this. I don't think most men suck. I think there are there are men who do suck. There are bad men out there. There are evil men out there. I think there

Brian Atlasare small small minority of people of men. >> What would you say percentage-wise? Well, I I we would have to assess what

Selenaexactly we're we're talking about here. >> So, I would say Okay, let me ask you this. >> Mhm.

Brian Atlas>> When you're talking to women, I don't know if you like talk to them or if you like >> I do it pretty frequently. >> Okay. >> I do it pretty frequently. >> Um >> Yeah. >> Okay, that's good.

Selena>> Just on the show. I'm talking about the podcast. Oh, like in your personal life, do you have like friends that are women or? >> Yeah, sure. >> Okay, that's good. Um, so I would say

Selenalike if you're talking to them, you'll talk to a lot of women. They'll be like, "Yeah, men like really suck." And I'll be like, "Why, girl, like tell me what's going on." >> Mhm. >> Oh, I got cheated on. He did this to me.

SelenaHe did that to me. >> Sure. And it's not as often that I speak to men and they're telling me, "Oh, I got cheated on to be frank with you."

Selena>> And so [snorts] that's that's one aspect of it. Another aspect of it is I think a lot of men get

Selenathey like women based on attraction. Okay? So if you are attractive, they will like you versus if they find you unattractive, they don't like you. Right? And then when that attract when that attraction fades, they're looking

Selenafor something new. And a lot of them are controlled by lust. Whereas I personally believe with women, a lot of women fall for men based on emotional connection, not necessarily looks. I've met so many women where I have a conversation with

Selenathem. They're like, "Yeah, first I didn't find him attractive." And then I spoke to him and then I got to know him for a few days and oh my god, he's like so attractive. I'm so into him. I do not meet many men that tell me the same thing. I've rarely met a man where he

Brian Atlassaid, "I didn't find her attractive at first, but I felt for her after time." >> I can agree with that. >> This idea that that women are these uh [clears throat] completely devoid of caring about physical looks, I think, is kind of ridiculous.

Selena>> I mean, >> I think for both men and women, physical attraction is a very important part of dating. >> But I think it's more important for men. Oh, I think it's more important for men.

Brian AtlasUm, this is somewhat debatable, but I mean perhaps to a slight degree, perhaps men I think that there are traits that men can possess as it relates to their personality that can bolster their

Brian Atlasattractiveness or make them attractive to women. Uh, like humor, status, success, fame, these sorts of things are typically will be attraction triggers in

Brian Atlaswomen even if they're lacking in like physical like more conventional physical attractiveness. Uh however I think that actually men are much more um

Brian Atlaseven if this is the case men are much more um I think men have a broader range of what they will find attractive in a woman. So like you'll most women and I

Brian Atlasdon't know if this came up earlier. I think a lot of women will say and I think it's even in your notes. You're like there's so many beautiful women but like there's barely didn't we talk about that earlier? There's like barely or no

Brian Atlasit was you. Oh, these sority frat parties, whatever. 300 like all these beautiful women in the sororities, but the frat parties, it's like 50 dudes and like five of those dudes, they're just

Brian Atlascute and then like one of them is not a douchebag or whatever, whatever you said, right? So, it's like, >> yeah, I mean, objectively, I think women are more attractive. >> Well, so here I on that though. Sure. I

Brian Atlasthink that women are really generous judges of female attractiveness and their own attractiveness and they're really harsh judges of male attractiveness. >> I agree with that.

Brian Atlas>> And so, >> of course you do. And so actually I think like I think there's a whole bunch of things here like uh there's a lot of things that are completely out of men's

Brian Atlascontrol that women care about a lot that are going to like okay hair penis size um >> height >> height height is huge height is huge these are traits that physical traits

Brian Atlasthat women care about a lot that are completely out of men's control whereas like I think a lot of the things that men care about uh a lot of those can be pretty easily manipulated by women. Maybe manipulate is not the best word.

Brian AtlasWell, at least like makeup, facial attractiveness, women can manipulate that through makeup. Uh, and then like in terms of body type, the things that men care about when it comes to body, women can I mean when [clears throat] it

Brian Atlascomes to weight, women can lose weight. Men can't change their height. Men can't change if I mean they can't change their penis size. There are some interventions for hair loss, but if you're bald,

Selenayou're [ __ ] bald. Uh >> I mean but I would say the thing about women though is because of men's standards because of a

Selenalot of the structure of the patriarchy and because of these beauty standards that have now been placed on women we see the popularity of plastic surgery lip filler botox stuff like that. And a lot of that,

Selenawhile some people may disagree, I do think a lot of that is because a lot of women have been judged by men and they don't feel attractive and they don't feel that men are attracted to them. And so I think with women, yes, there are

Selenamore ways I agree with you. I think women have more ways to improve their appearance 100%. But I think a lot of that is due to the criticism they had

Selenafaced from men that they feel pressured to undergo surgery, be under anesthesia, pay thousands upon thousands of dollars just to change how they look so a man can be attracted to them. Whereas men,

Selenawomen are not as harsh when it comes to their appearances. Therefore, men don't really change and they they somehow still end up with a girl. I mean, but if it is the case that like I think most

Brian Atlaswomen like I think most men find most women attractive. Most women definitely do not find most men attractive. So >> well I think with the rise of social

Selenamedia things have changed. >> Your the access to >> perfect women has decreased and now a lot of men are expecting that into their in their day-to-day lives. Well, I think

Selenathis would cut both ways a little bit, but um I mean >> I think it cuts on that cuts both ways. >> Perhaps it does, but there isn't as much

Selenaof a culture of like ma male Instagram models as much as there is women Instagram models. And >> so should women stop doing that? >> That's not necessarily what I'm saying. I'm not saying that women should stop

Brian Atlasdoing that. I'm just saying >> how do we combat it then? that >> let's just get rid of social media except for YouTube. We can keep YouTube. >> No, we need to talk. >> Look, I I I guess maybe we might agree on this like I think social media has a

Selenalot of harms to [clears throat] both men and women. I think um >> yeah, >> especially on self-image. >> I will say right, I think it there are benefits of social media for sure. There are ways through social media you can

Brian Atlasraise awareness. You can understand things that maybe people around you have been telling you are not true. But >> I think overall it's been harmful. Like on a balance of in totality, okay,

Selena>> it's been harmful. But what I will say to that point is, yeah, I think I think a lot of men now

Selenaare desiring these like beautiful, perfect influencer models that they see online and when they're not finding it in person and and it it goes for men and women, but I think a lot of women >> put on themselves those standards that

Selenathey're also seeing online, make it making it even harder. I mean, I've talked to women who have said, "I can't find a man until I get surgery," or, "I can't f no man is going to find me attractive." I mean, no, it it's true.

Brian Atlas>> I do think they are putting those standards on themselves. I agree. I agree. >> A quick response to the plastic surgery thing. I mean, at least my own position. I know some men have different opinions on this. I actually think >> it's kind of a red flag for like in

Brian Atlasterms of a man >> who's like into the plastic surgery look or whatever. No offense to >> What the heck? Why did you fake titties, I guess, but [laughter] I I think uh

Brian Atlassorry to throw you into the bus. >> Sorry. How do you know they're fake? >> I have I don't I can see from my peripherals. >> My peripherals. I'm not even looking at her. Fake tits.

Brian Atlas>> I'm looking I'm looking at you dead in the eyes. Fake titties. Uh right there. So, look. >> You are still so pretty though. So pretty. >> Slow and fly. >> But but >> I didn't know they were fake. So I think

Brian Atlasthat so I think when it comes to plastic surgery, Selena, >> I think that there are certain things when it comes to plastic surgery that women do for the male gaze, but I think that there are other things when it comes to plastic surgery and makeup and

Brian Atlasclothes and all this that women do for the female gays. For example, I think lip filler, >> I think, look, I think generally speaking, cross-culturally like big lips

Brian Atlasare deemed as generally more attractive than thin lips. However, like lip filler is something else. like lip filler. It I don't know. That [ __ ] looks weird as a different look. I don't No offense. No

Brian Atlasoffense to girls compared to >> It looks weird. Okay. Like >> Okay. So, it doesn't look like natural big plump lips. >> Okay. Can I ask Can we do an experiment?

Brian Atlas>> Like if you look from the side. >> Okay. Who here do you think has lip filler? >> Oh, I don't know. I don't want to like stare at y'all's lips. No, I mean I want to see I want to see if men >> Show me your profile. >> Oh, that'll Yeah, that'll do it.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah, you can tell. So, you can tell more so from I mean, unless they have really intense filler where you can tell from the front, but if you look at the

Brian Atlasside, the the lip >> uh bulges bulges out in a way that never occurs in natural lips, even natural big

Brian Atlaslips. Um, so I I mean I'd have to see side profiles of all the women here. Um Essie, you've maybe had some filler. >> No. >> Okay. >> I get a lip flip, which is >> Oh, you have a lip flip.

SPEAKER_07>> Good filler, though. >> That Okay, they do this. Uh I have a Okay. Lip flip is different. Lip flip is different than filler. >> But >> they're so different though. It just paralyzes your lip muscle. >> No, but it it it is You had a procedure

Essieon your lips, right? >> But it doesn't make them bigger. >> Well, kind of. >> No, it just makes it so when you smile, your lip muscle can't move. It does make it look bigger in the sense that >> the appearance the appearance

Selena>> it flips the lips up. >> Doesn't actually make it bigger. >> When I say appearance wise, >> but I see. >> Okay. Do you think I've had >> and she just has a lip flip?

Brian Atlas>> Do you think I've had lips? >> It turn to the other way. This might be a tough case, but um maybe a little bit. >> I could be wrong. Look, I could be

Selenawrong. >> I have had lip filler. Let's go. >> But see, you can't really tell. >> That was good. >> He didn't. Okay. He inferred.

Selena>> That was a refer guess based on context. >> You were about to lie about that. >> I don't have no lip filler. >> [ __ ] you. I was seeing your I was giving you context clues. I see you. >> Okay.

Brian Atlas>> I was >> all right. Look, [laughter] but I I think me personally, I don't I I I'm not into the the plastic surgery thing. >> So, do you have a girlfriend? >> Hold on, let me finish my point. [laughter] It's not a deal break. Like, if a girl

Brian Atlashas some plastic, it's not a dealbreaker, but it's my preference if she doesn't have plastic surgery. So, that's like Botox, lip filler, BBL, uh

Brian Atlaslipo belly, what all all that that [ __ ] No. And I think um [clears throat] >> I like and I'll tell you this, my position, it's not even like, "Well, Brian, but yeah, you want a girl with big boobs." Like, yeah, sure, big boobs

Brian Atlasare nice. Big butt is nice, but like I would prefer a cup flat over perfect fake titties. I'd prefer a little a little booty or no booty over like the perfect BBL. I'd prefer a little belly

Brian Atlasfat. Give me a little belly fat over the weird lipo like dehydrated belly. That [ __ ] looks weird. >> Belly button. >> I don't know. It looks weird. Give me uh small small upper lip over fake lip.

Brian AtlasGive me uh giant labia over [laughter] >> Oh my god. >> Give me a giant >> Guin Guinness World Record Book Labia over like an perfect innie that was laboplasted or whatever.

Erica (Married)>> I really really love it when you bring up like the big labia movement. No, because because I never thought about how uncomfortable it made men when women would go around and be like, I want a guy with >> a BLM that finally doesn't really put it into perspective. And I really adore

Selinethat. >> A BLM that doesn't take advantage of people >> and I look I think um >> what you think >> Wait, what? >> Okay, there's a difference between actually caring about black people and black matter >> instead of profiting off it or not using it.

Brian Atlas>> Goodness gracious. >> But I don't know. Look, there are some men that are are into the plastic surgery stuff, but I think like look, if you have a girlfriend and she's coming to you and she's got like a a cup, B

Brian Atlascup, or whatever, or bigger, and she just wants to go bigger, I I think you as a a man in in that relationship have a duty to say, "I like you how you are. You're beautiful how you are." You don't

Brian Atlasneed that. And I think instead of being like, "Yeah, babe. Go get plastic surgery." You need to you need to say I mean look ultimately it's her if she's going to make a decision she's gonna

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