Brian CONFRONTS Woke Misandrist College Girl?! HEATED DEBATE! Based Girl RETURNS! | Dating Talk #269

Date: 2025-11-17

Duration: 8h 20m

Guests

Brian Atlas

SSeline (Cosmetology)>

GGrace (Zoology)>

NNatalie/Morena Chinga >

LLauren (Buddhist)>

EErica (Married 264)>

Identified Speakers

SPEAKER_01Brian Atlas(host)

SPEAKER_03Seline(guest)

SPEAKER_04Lauren (Buddhist)(guest)

SPEAKER_06Selena(guest)

SPEAKER_09Natalie/Morena(guest)

SPEAKER_10Grace (Zoology)(guest)

SPEAKER_11Essie(guest)

SPEAKER_12Samra(guest)

SPEAKER_13Erica (Married)(guest)

Key Moments

IntroAll 8 guests introduce themselves

ControversySelena wants red pill men 'eradicated'

Key MomentBrian presents selective service as systemic male oppression. 40-min debate.

QuoteSelena: 'I think men suck. 60-70% of men suck.'

ControversyGrace prefers world without men. Selena cannot say no to snapping men away.

Key MomentLauren: Buddhist nun, FBI investigated for Jan 6

ControversySelena: 'white people invented racism'

OtherSelena leaves. Brian calls her most argumentative guest ever.

Topics Discussed

Guest Introductions

8 guests including Selena (Georgetown/TikTok), Lauren (Buddhist nun/Jan 6).

Red Pill Eradication

Selena wants red pill men 'eradicated.' Brian challenges.

Selective Service Debate

40-minute debate on draft as male systemic oppression.

65% of Men Suck

Selena: 65% of men suck. Brian: that's sexist.

Stolen Land / Immigration

Selena: 'no one is illegal on stolen land.' Native American debate.

Snap All Men Away

Grace and Selena cannot say no to removing all men. Brian shocked.

Colombia / Palestine Allegiance

Natalie sides with Mexico/Palestine. Selena refuses to answer.

Lauren Jan 6

FBI investigated but did not arrest Lauren for Jan 6 attendance.

Body Count

Lauren: 5M/2W. Natalie: 100+. Essie: 12-13.

Bow Video

Brian shows ex bowing video. Selena uses it as grounds to leave.

Transcript

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SelenaThey have come to see that as the correct way of living. And so a lot of families don't prioritize their daughters getting educated or their daughters getting jobs or etc. I'm

Brian Atlassaying maybe 20 years ago. >> Hold on. Um, so what what do you have to say then? The my my understanding across the nation in the United States the

Brian Atlashigher education gap it's like 6040 60% women and this was the case since 1980. So since 1980 45 years ago more women have been going

Brian Atlasto college and graduating from college going to university. So perhaps historically this might have been the case, but now that a gap exists in the other way, are you prepared to say that

Brian Atlasthere's uh there's discrimination and sexism against men given the disparity? >> Am I a No, I'm not prepared to say that. >> But there's a gap that exists.

Brian Atlas>> Yeah. And and and why is that gap there? >> Maybe because women are being presented with more opportunities just because they're women. But can we at least do a correction on this idea that women are

Brian Atlaslike disincentivized to go to university because more women go to university than men? And I'm not this isn't like fake news. We can we can look it up. Uh we could if you guys go to a specific

Brian Atlasuniversity perhaps it's even the case that the university you go to uh I don't know if anybody here you go to UCSB the

Brian Atlassplit I believe is 55% 45%. That's a 10% gap. There's more uh 50 55% women >> is the female not is the female population not higher than the male

Brian Atlaspopulation. >> It wouldn't account for the [laughter] perhaps very in a very small way. It wouldn't account for such a massive gap in higher education.

Selena>> Yes. I'm I'm saying ideologies of certain families. I'm not saying >> absolutely >> I'm not saying oh specifically in the

Selenauniversity universities are accepting less females than they are accepting males but what I'm saying is there are certain families who don't incentivize their daughters to go to school.

Brian Atlas>> That's more of a cultural issue. >> Yeah. I mean I that's probably true. I I don't think I would disagree there. But I mean, in terms of what we actually see

Brian Atlasbared out by the data, more women go to university. This isn't I'm not making this up. We can Google it if you just want to uh reference it. But yeah, more

Brian Atlaswomen do go to uh university. And it's not by a small margin. I think in total I I'm it's either there are one or two million more women that go to university

Brian Atlasthan there are men. And so this accounts for a uh 6040 split in favor of women. >> What's your point?

Brian Atlas>> What do you mean? Well, I was she was saying that well these women, you know, they're they're oppressed because there's not a push, you know, we're trying to limit how many women go to university, but actually in terms of

Brian Atlasactual college enrollment, uh getting a diploma, women are outperforming men in that particular regard. So it's just a correction of of factual inaccuracy. >> We should talk about systemic

Natalie/Morenaoppression, right? So like as history's going on, we are changing that as women. Who's changing that? Men aren't changing that for us. Women are changing that for us to be in school and be in all these places. >> I mean from my personal experience in

Selineterms of the women in my life, the women I've seen, it's always been a very normal ideology like women are ambitious. we go to, you know, most mothers, from my knowledge, are pushing

Essietheir daughters to go to school. It that is completely a cultural issue. >> I wouldn't say so. It was like that in my house growing up. They were kind of more focused on my brother. >> People live a little more Midwest,

Essie>> right? That's why [laughter] I'm like I think so, which is culture. Well, I don't know if Midwest is necessarily I think it's just like more so what's it rural areas is the right term that like

Brian Atlasthey focus on the men. There is a culture to that though. I I don't think there's a dispute that absolutely there's absolutely anecdotal examples where perhaps uh in certain families there's like a you know oh the the son

Brian Atlashas you know I don't dispute that this happens but >> uh in terms of the propaganda that's out there I mean I don't think that there's like >> the propaganda I see is uh family

Brian Atlasmarriage children at least directed towards women family marriage children secondary college career primary >> and I don't really see much propaganda in the other direction where it's like

Selineno women stay no don't don't go to college don't have a career >> that propaganda is more again in the in the personal family life like you don't

Selinesee that online no I will say like I maybe 10 years ago you know when I was a little kid on the internet it was different but as of right now I would say there's no real propaganda against

Selinelike women going to school >> unless it comes to motherhood but again like in the families, the cultural aspects of that. Yeah, for sure you're going to see parents being like, "No, I want my daughter to do this, this, this,

Brian Atlasand this, and this." But that again is the family, the the culture. >> Coming back to this though, just because I I mentioned the selective service

Brian Atlassystem. This is a robust system. Uh it's it's a part of the United States government. And you might say, well, it's been so long, cuz I think you're

Brian Atlasmaybe alluding to that in in your argument. you were saying, well, no, >> well, well, it happened so so long ago. Although I would argue, my counter to that would be even if this was the case, well, I have two arguments that even if

Brian Atlasit was the case, like if I if I were to dismiss like any uh claims related to like >> racism or like ways in which uh black

Brian Atlaspeople or other people of color might be disadvantaged in the United States and I just said to you, well, you know, like slavery was a really long time ago, so it doesn't matter. you would like you would probably say that's ridiculous in

Brian Atlasthat in this same way just because the last draft we actually had happened uh even if we looked at World War I World War II drafts th those are hundreds of thousands of men who were casualties of

Brian Atlaswar in the Vietnam War tens of thousands of men casualties of well I mean including injuries hundreds of thousands as it relates to the Vietnam War and but also even today

Brian Atlasit's not just like when there's actually a draft women have privilege that men don't. And the privilege is as follows. In order for me, me me as a man to be able to vote, and women often bring up, well, women didn't have the right to

Brian Atlasvote, which is a separate conversation we can get into. In order for me as a man to have to vote, I have to register with the selective service and I have to be potentially subject to military

Brian Atlasconscription. In order for me to be able to vote, I have to do something that you don't. This seems like women are then treated then as a sort of privileged class in society. And in addition to that, even

Brian Atlasif there's not a draft, even if I never see any sort of war, I'm probably aged out of it. But there are of course, you know, young adult men from the age of 18 to 25 or whatever who would be subject to it. There's other there's other

Brian Atlasissues with it, too. Uh you're if you don't register with the selective service, you're barred from federal loans. You're barred from federal jobs. >> Oh, >> yeah. You can't um I'm trying to think what I mean technically it's a felony.

Brian AtlasThere's a $250,000 fine if you don't register with the selective service. You can't vote. Uh what was it? Student aid, student student loans, I guess. Same thing. You're barred from certain

Brian Atlasfederal jobs, certain federal programs. So, it seems like there's in order for men to have a right, men need to do more, men

Brian Atlashave a duty to the United States. What corresponding duty do women have? And I really can't think of one. >> So

Selena[clears throat] what what specifically are you asking me? Are you asking me should women have the right to vote? Systemic duty? >> No, I'm just I'm not saying we should

Brian Atlasabsolutely not making the case of repealing the 19th. Uh women do have the right to vote. I'm just saying attached to men's right to vote comes a burden

Brian Atlasand a duty that is completely absent in ex as it relates to any sort of duty women have. Men have duties. I Women don't.

Erica (Married)>> Yeah, I agree. It's not fair that, you know, men have responsibilities that women don't. Yet, we have the equality and the privileges. >> Girl, what I'm I'm not going to lie. I I can't disagree with what Brian's saying. I want to just let me just break

Selenasomething down for your queens. >> If you guys are confused, right, on what duty did women have? >> Am I too can I be sorry? >> If you desire to be, right? So,

Selena>> who was taking who was holding down the household, right, when men were off at war, right? So, oh, oh, oh, oh, legal. Okay, so what? They were just going to leave the kids in the street because it wasn't legal. Like, girl, come on now. Don't

Selena>> How hard do you think it is to clean and take care of a house? duty to take care of a child. >> Girl, it's not the house duty. >> No way. So, you think that it's simple to take care of? >> I don't think it's about that.

Selena>> I don't think it's about that. Okay. >> You have the privilege of having his kids? I wouldn't even make that argument. >> Oh my god. What did you just say? >> So, it's a privilege for a women a woman

Selenato to bear a man's child? >> I believe so. Yes. If it's a good man, could >> What if it's being like forced upon them? Is that still a privilege? >> Oh, hell no. Can you clarify >> like Okay, so abortion is [snorts] a big

Grace (Zoology)issue right now. Like Roie Wade just got like overturned in some states. And so if women are being forced to give birth because it's not um legal in their state to have an abortion, is it still a privilege to you? >> I would still say yes. Abortion is a

Grace (Zoology)privilege. >> Wait, no. I'm saying >> that women currently hold that we should not have >> wait to have a child. I'm saying do >> it is a privilege to have a child. [clears throat] It's an honor when it's forced upon you. I'm I'm sorry, but life is still precious.

Seline>> Wait, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking, do you think it's a privilege to be forced to have a child? >> I don't think it's great force in this in this situation. What constitutes as force? >> Someone gets raped and they can't have

Brian Atlasan abortion. That's for >> Well, by by that I would say no, you don't have to have I wouldn't advise you. >> But hold on. [laughter] I think it's fair. I think it's fair to at least do an accounting of, you know, what

Brian Atlas[snorts] percent of abortions or pre unwanted pregnancies are result of essay or incest as compared to just >> Yeah. Even had a boyfriend, had a one

Brian Atlasnight stand there. It wasn't non-consensual sex. >> 99% of abortions are not. It's it's just

Selenalike oopsie. >> What? Where is the statistic from? But I just want to >> I mean it's accurate but >> so so where is it from? Where did you get the statistic? >> I don't have the exact

Selena>> I think it's a grand 5% of them that are medically necessary. >> I I did forget. >> Okay. So let's talk about economically necessary. What? So you'd rather the mom carry out? >> I didn't say eomically.

SelineLet's add that to the statistic. Right. So just because it's medically necessary doesn't mean that the kid is going to >> But I don't think that really falls in line with morals. And what what more? >> Well, if we're talking about the economy, if you're talking about not

Brian Atlasbeing able to support a child, that is entirely different than your want to have a child or your need to care for a child. >> I'm going to let some chats come through. We're going to come right back to this convo. Hold on. Oops. It was paused. My bad.

Brian Atlas>> Sorry, one sec, guys. We have a few We have a couple things going on. Do you have the stats while we're just waiting on this channel? Thank you. >> Red, >> she always >> boying

SPEAKER_02I was going to find a >> AI is fine. So like >> all these girls are they did no research. Can you spell know how to spell? >> Don't count me out yet. >> Uh >> a message from

SPEAKER_00>> 50%ed $2004. >> Chair one about pregnancy. Do you believe in pro-life or pro-choice? How are you oppressed in the current male

Selenapatriarchy? Do I believe in pro-life or pro-choice? Pro-choice. >> How are you private? >> Sorry. No, keep going. Keep going.

Brian Atlas>> Oh. Um, okay. How are you oppressed in the current male patriarchy? I explained that. >> Do you want to um What was this question? Oh, are you pro-life or pro-choice? I assume pro-choice. >> Yeah. >> Okay.

Selena>> Um >> and then how are you pressed in the >> I explained that that was our conversation. I guess we did already talked about that a little bit, >> but I do want to go back to that statistic, right? >> We'll pull up. Nick, do you have it? >> I have

Brian Atlas>> uh the image just open image in new tab >> just so we have >> um reasons for seeking an abortion. Make it bigger and make us smaller.

Brian Atlas>> All right. Uh so 0 make it bigger. Uh 0.4% rape and incest. 0.3 risk to the woman's life or major bodily function.

Brian Atlas2.2 other physical health concerns. 1.2 2 abnor abnormality in the unborn child 95.9% elective and unspecified reasons. So that would include like financial

Selenareasons at least it's not 99. So, so that statistic right so when you are looking at a statistic first of all you need to understand where did this stat

Selenacome from right so is it is this a pro life organization right first probably is second thing that I want to say >> I hope it's objective >> it it's probably not a lot of the

Selenainternet is not objective the next thing I want to say is it does not account financial situation right it doesn't account if two people are homeless and have a kid and are about to birth a newborn that's also going to be living on the street.

Selena>> Well, that would fall under the 95. >> Yes, exactly. But when you're telling me, oh, this statistic is why is abortion necessary as if it's it's it's just two people having fun, right? They could have the kid, they could financially support it, they could send

Selenait to college, they could feed it, right? But a lot of the time that's not true, especially in this current economy that we're living in. >> You can prevent a pregnancy though. >> Methodology, >> 100% preventable. >> You can prevent it. [laughter]

Erica (Married)>> Pregnant. This this the other thing I want to I want to ask is why do you feel that abortion is a privilege? >> It's a privilege because it's a choice that women get to make that men don't and men are needed to make up half of

Selinethat DNA that that baby uniquely has. I think it goes actually a little deeper than that as it's as well as the fact that basically men

Selinedon't they don't go through pregnancy obviously women go through pregnancy >> and we experience a lot of things during pregnancy there's a lot of complications implications whatever you want to talk about

Seline>> but that's more of like social >> that's social issues those are issues in individual we're not talking about systemic things or anything like that if we're talking about that. We can talk about in other countries where abortion

Brian Atlasis not available whatsoever even when it's medically necessary. >> Hold on, let me really quick. I need to read the chat here. Uh chair one is

Brian Atlasmajor majorly misaligned. She may not be red pill, but she always takes the pill for sure. >> Uh channel, thank you for the super chat. I guess we have pasty George coming in here with >> pasty

Brian Atlas>> a message George >> coming in here. Thank you channel ID. Appreciate that guys. If you want to get a read message >> from the government it's 100 TTS 200

SPEAKER_00>> pasty George donated $2004 share one. If you are oppressed, then how is it that you are able to wear get educated, buy designer clothes, paint

SPEAKER_00your nails, style your hair, wear makeup, and even start an only vans if you chose to? >> Why is that your definition of oppression? You think that just because

Selenaa woman a woman gets to do her hair and have nails on, she's not oppressed? What? >> Maybe the education part. Okay, that was

Brian Atlasthat was that was one thing and it didn't even cite all the other issues that I I I talked about. >> Yeah. But so really quick here going I guess going back to the central topic then I would like to hopefully bring it to some of the dating stuff.

Brian Atlas>> Yes. >> Um you know we were talking basically this whole stemmed from uh you say like red pill is an epidemic. Red pill men are an epidemic. You want to eradicate I think was the word you used. You want to

Brian Atlaseradicate red pill. >> Eradicate. Just really quick, what do you mean by eradicate? Like, do you want to if you were >> eradicate? >> They need to stop having those thoughts. I want to eradicate that way of thinking. >> What if they don't? >> Um, what do you do? I would put them in prison.

Selena>> I want to educate them. >> You You want to do [laughter] >> No, I never said that. I said I want to educate them. >> You want to put them in education? >> No, I never said that. [laughter] >> You You want to >> Why is that the first thing that came to mind?

Selena>> Well, I mean, >> okay, so there you want to re-educate them. you want to re-educate them. >> So, so I want to provide them resources where they can learn that >> this doesn't have to be their way of

Selenalife. They don't have to cling on to this this desperate attempt to feel worthy, right? They don't need that. They can >> they can find love. It's okay. >> Okay. And then going back to the topic

Selenathough, >> but I do just want to go back to this topic of abortion because I do feel some like crazy claims were made. >> We haven't even figured out what everybody's here. This is what I'll do. Your claims just blew me away, girl. I've never heard that before.

Selena>> Because we didn't. It was sort of a derailment from the >> But this is important. Why are we wasting time talking about red pill when when someone has claims? >> But you said red pill. >> Let's not talk over each other. >> So here's what I'm going to do. I'm

Brian Atlasgoing to make a note and then time permitting later we can come back to the abortion debate, but that's a separate conversation. So again, the topic was about um >> is someone scared to talk about abortion?

SelenaI mean, it's not really my wheelhouse. [laughter] I'm Why would you assume I said I could? >> Because you don't want to talk about it. You just keep circling back to red pillow. Let's talk about red pill. >> Well, that was the original original topic. >> Okay. So, we don't we can't open a new

Brian Atlastopic. >> It's not that I'm scared. It's that I want to finish off this topic and then time permitting we can come back to the abortion topic later. >> So, you feel like there's more to But you feel there's more to discuss on this topic

Brian Atlas>> on abortion >> on red pill. >> Oh, yeah. There's plenty. I we didn't even finish. >> Goodness gracious. >> Well, ultimately I I forwarded my position about cuz you laughed and you said, "Well, how men are in systemically oppressed, blah blah blah blah, and I

Brian Atlaspresented, I think, a quite compelling way in which men historically have been oppressed. Men are currently oppressed today by a system." Um, I'd like to perhaps hear a rebuttal from you or some sort of because your position is there's

Selenanot systemic oppression directed towards males. I believe there is. >> I present. So, are you willing to revise your position? Do you think I'm wrong? >> So I want to ask you this, right? [snorts] >> What do you feel should happen here,

Brian Atlasright? So you're saying that the these men have been oppressed. What should occur now? >> Yeah. I think two I guess two things. one as it relates to any sort of

Brian Atlasdiscussions as to either oppression or uh privileges or rights in this country. I think feminists need to stop with this

Brian Atlasuh [ __ ] that women have uniquely been oppressed in this country and that there's no dimensions at all as to male victimization, male suffering, and male

Brian Atlasoppression. Um, so there at least needs to be some acknowledgement that yes, actually men have it perhaps worse in XYZ way. Men have unique problems that uniquely affect them as it relates to

Brian Atlastheir gender. Much in the same way that women have unique problems that impact them uniquely and their gender. Feminists seem absolutely wholeheartedly against making any sort of giving any

Brian Atlassort of ground to the possibility that because it completely destroys the framework of feminism as painting women as victims and men well painting women

Brian Atlasas oppressed and men as the oppressors because it completely demolishes your entire framework. >> Okay. >> So that's the first thing. The second thing is in in the interest of equality, women should be

Selenadrafted. >> Okay. So on >> me. >> Okay. So on the topic of women being drafted. >> Yeah. >> Sure. I'm not against that. I'm I'm against war. So I'm against everyone

Selenabeing drafted. Right. >> Now when it comes to women being oppressed, right? So we talked about systematic struggles. What we didn't talk about is social issues, right? We didn't talk.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. Yeah. Go ahead. >> Did you have something to say? >> Well, it seems like you're about to say Anyways, moving it on. Let's focus on this. >> Let's focus on this. >> No, I I wasn't going to say that. I was going to say if we want to address it as

Selenaa whole, if we want to look at oppression as an entirety, we need to address both the systematic and the social. But if you want me to talk on the systematic, yes, sure. If you want to say that men have been oppressed

Selenabecause of the draft, >> you have that, right? That's one thing. But it's ignoring it's ignoring the fact that it is because you're not looking at how women weren't allowed to be in

Selenacertain positions of power, how women weren't allowed to get certain jobs, how women weren't allowed to get an education, how women were not given access to financial independence. Right?

SelenaSo that is a long list of things that we as a society have widely recognized. Now you pointing to me and saying okay this is the draft right that's one issue and

Brian Atlasif a woman wanted to be drafted she can be drafted nowadays if she wanted she volunteer but the the

Brian Atlas>> implied in this hold on hold on imp >> baked into military conscription is the idea of against one's will. So yes women

Brian Atlasand men can volunteer and they do. However, when we're talking about So, so hold on. If a woman wanted to be drafted, she that that removes the component of an unwillingness on the

Brian Atlaswoman's part to participate in the military. So, that wouldn't >> uh that's like hold on. That's almost like that's Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Let me just repeat back your argument to

Selenayou. That's like a woman who um cons Wait, hold on. How do I frame this? It's like, >> okay, so you're you want to hang up on

Selenathe fact that I mis said literally one word, right? So I I I meant volunteer. I meant a woman a woman can volunteer herself to join the military. So I'm saying,

Selena>> what does it have to do with the draft? >> So what I am saying is that that is not a I want to do this, but I cannot. Right? It's something that's imposed

Selena[snorts] on men that is not imposed on women. Okay? It is not I'm going to take this away from you while I'm going to give it to men. So what I'm saying here

Selenais that what we need to what I'm asking you is can you name more things that you feel men deal with that can list out the list of like five examples that I've

Selenagiven you how of how women have been oppressed. Right? So I'm I can give you systematic and I can I haven't even gotten into social issues that women face and social oppression that they face. I'm listing out five six

Brian Atlassystematic issues. Can you list out six systematic issues that men deal with? >> I I didn't commit to memory all the ones that you listed, but yeah, I could I could do it. >> I could do it again. >> Yeah. Really quick, though. First, I'm going to I'm going to need a concession

Brian Atlasbefore I move on to the next thing. Are you willing to acknowledge that as it relates to uh selective service force military conscription, this is uniquely a male problem and something that

Brian Atlasuniquely impacts men and it's something that is in many ways oppression of men that doesn't apply to women and it's a it's a paradigm in which men have it worse as compared to women.

Natalie/Morena>> But I wait but who's doing that? Men are doing that. Men are other men and women but women are calling you getting making you get drafted. No, but women are also voting. >> How would it be relevant?

Natalie/Morena>> They weren't voting at the time. >> Oppression of men is the draft, right? But like women aren't >> Thank you. >> We have a constitutional men. So men [laughter] oppressing other men that makes literally >> it's a byproduct of the patriarchy. It's what men did to themselves.

Brian Atlas>> They did to themselves. >> I think there's some [laughter] nuance to that. >> That's a great red herring. That's a great red herring. I'm happy to get into who's to blame for the systems that have been established for centuries or

Brian Atlasmillennia. >> That's a separate that's a great red herring. Congratulations on your red herring. We're looking at the still men, but that doesn't hold on.

Brian AtlasI have not receive I have not actually received an answer to my question. So, I'm happy to address the red herring, but address my question first. >> Okay. So, I need to address that you want the answer that you want me to give you.

Brian Atlas>> I I think I laid out a compelling argument. Is my argument wrong? >> So, is your argument wrong? I respond right with her point and I'm also respond. >> Okay, fine.

Brian Atlas>> Who set that? >> Okay. So, what who set that system up? Men set that system up. >> Yeah, we can talk. That's a separate convo. I'm happy to engage you there, but that's a separate convo. My question still stand.

Selena>> Your question still stands. Right. So the difference between what I am saying of the list of systematic things that I gave you right those >> which I'm going to address but you

Selenaanswer my question >> those were inflicted upon women by taking away rights from that >> yeah yeah bad thing hap has hap many bad thing has happened to women I'm asking you right >> yeah plural

Brian Atlas>> yeah but you're you're still evading my question I would like an answer to my question is Is it possible for a feminist to ever do an acknowledgement of any sort of dimension in which men

Brian Atlascan be oppressed or be less privileged than women? >> By the way, let me finish before you jump in, but >> go ahead. >> Sorry if I upset you with that. >> I'm not upset, but it would be nice for me to be able to finish my thought. >> I'm sorry. I didn't want to hurt your

Brian Atlasfeelings. >> My feelings aren't hurt. I don't need the sassiness, though. Go ahead. >> Wait, I'm not being sassy. I was trying to be nice. >> That's you being nice. >> Yeah. I'm a little too old. I was literally just checking in on you.

Selena>> Thank you. I appreciate that. I've been checked in on. I feel better now. Go ahead. >> Okay, good. That's all I wanted. >> Um, >> clearly >> what? >> You're good. Go ahead. >> I'm trying to make people feel comfortable. I I I just wanted to make you feel comfortable. Is that wrong of

Brian Atlasme? >> I feel like you're evading. Can we get back to [laughter] >> Oh, I'm evading now. Okay. >> Because now we're having a meta conversation and you're not addressing. >> Sorry. I am evading. >> I hope this is >> Yes, you are evading. just address my point.

Selena>> Okay. So, I will address your point. If we're going to talk about oppression as a whole, >> sure, >> it is a a group of people imposing a structure

Selenaupon another group of people, therefore oppressing them. Right. So, did women impose the military draft upon men,

Brian Atlastherefore oppressing them? No. >> But can you proxy? So then tell me how women were the ones who opposed it on that. >> Yeah, sure. So, okay, I would look to Yeah. Yeah, I'll answer your question.

Brian AtlasSo, World War II, uh the Vietnam War, Korean War, um I'm trying to think if there was any other conflicts in between there. Um probably some more minor conflicts that I don't even I I don't need to bring up.

Brian AtlasSo, ever since 1920s, women have had the right to uh the uh complete right to vote since the 1920s. Uh the United States is a constitutional republic. You vote in a representative. you're on

Brian Atlasbehalf of your vote. You vote in a representative who operates in uh the Senate, the House of Representatives, the executive branch, so the president or whatever. Uh these systems of government would then make a

Brian Atlasdetermination if there's going to be a military draft. It happened in World War II after women got the right to vote. It happened Vietnam after women got the right to vote. It happened in the Korean War after women got to write the vote

Brian Atlasgot the right to vote, excuse me. So by proxy and through our uh democratically elected officials which again ever since the 1920s women have had uh perfectly

Brian Atlasequalized voting rights as it relates to men. So yes women absolutely are involved in the go in the vote voting in

Brian Atlaselected officials who do vote to send men to war. This idea that and you women pick who you who your representatives are going to be. >> You get to vote on it. Everybody picks. Yeah. Men and women, >> right? Collectively.

Selena>> So, right. You're saying >> you still haven't answered my question, though. >> So, I just answered multiple of your questions. >> Yeah, but I'm I'm asking >> answer my question. >> I'm ask That's what I'm saying. I'm saying I want you to prove that it is in fact oppression.

Brian Atlas>> How? Wait, hold on. So, you don't think men can oppress? Let me grant your position. You're right. It's an evil patriarchy. Men have all the power. How? Men can't oppress other men or >> Yes. Yes. So, when

Brian Atlas>> Okay, great. So even if I grant your position but I dispute it then men are oppressed. >> So what I'm let me ex can I can I talk? Thank you. >> Men

Selena>> okay men we're talking about the oppression of a gender right? So if we're talking about oppression when it comes to women men we are talking you

Selenawant me to say that men have been oppressed by the opposite gender. Correct. No, I didn't say that necessarily. >> Okay. But if if we're talking about oppression and sex, the only opposite sex that could have oppressed men would

Brian Atlasbe women. >> We're talking about gender and oppression. Correct. >> I'm not looking at it through the paradigm of what is the gender of the oppressor. >> But that's what we're talking about. >> Where you're talking about dating and we're talking about >> what

Brian Atlas>> the different sexes. >> My question to you is not what is the gender of the people who are inflicting suffering. That's literally what we've been talking about for the past 35 minutes. We've been talking about men and women. What have we been talking

Brian Atlasabout then? >> Oh my god. When did I make the claim? I never made a claim about the gender of the oppressors. I was making a claim about the gender of the oppressed. Do you agree with that?

Selena>> I was okay. Sure. But >> selective service that has to do with the gender of the oppressed. >> Okay. Yes. And and if we're talking about two different sexes, who else would be the oppressor? We're not

Selenatalking about oppression in the general world. We are talking about two various sexes and oppression, right? So, we're talking about the two various sexes and the relationship to that oppression.

Selena>> I don't think I don't think power is quite as black and white as you think. >> I understand. And a lot of >> I don't think it's men bad. Men men have all power and men bad. I agree with you.

SPEAKER_07And I agree. I never said that. I I did not simplify it to that and I don't think it >> You guys literally did. Well, who's oppressing the you that's understand. But if you want me I know. And if you

Selenawant No, no, no, no. That's not what I did. First of all, no, it is not. I'm saying we are talking about men and women. If you want me to get into the imperialist capitalistic structure that this world is, I can talk about that,

Selenatoo. But I'm keeping it to men and women because this is a dating podcast. Okay. Um, >> but anyways, back to your point. I'm sorry that you could potentially get

Selenadrafted. I understand that that could scare you. It could make you feel uncomfortable. >> Is this is this uh genuine what you're saying right now? It seems a bit sarcastic. >> Why is it just cuz I talk like this doesn't mean it's it's it's not genuine.

Selena>> Well, there's a bit of a dead pan to your delivery. So, >> that's just how I talk. >> I'm sorry. >> Okay. Condescending. >> Huh. I I'm not trying to be condescending. If

Brian Atlasyou feel condescended, I'm sorry. >> That's okay. It just comes naturally, I suppose. >> Okay. [laughter] >> I mean, but I feel like, for example, for for example, really quick, I think

Brian Atlasit's very easy to easy easy for me to say the following. That there were periods in human history where men possessed rights that women didn't. And I can acknowledge this. And this would

Brian Atlasbe like we might bicker about certain, you know, how long it potentially lasted or, you know, uh, the severity of some of these things and the accuracy of some

Brian Atlasof these things, but I can I have no problem saying that yes, there were instances in human history like recent more recent human history and there are paradigms in which women had it worse.

Brian AtlasI'm simply asking as it relates to this specific topic, forced military conscription, the draft, the selective service system. Can you acknowledge that as a metric, a paradigm in which men

Selenahave it worse than women? That's my question. It's very simple. >> Okay. If we're not talking about oppression with without the oppression into the argument, if we're just talking about

Selenathere is drafting men drafted, women not drafted. If we're talking about that specifically that >> specifically yes

Selena>> I can say that that's sad that's unfortunate and it's hard for men. Sure. Do I think it is a byproduct of the patriarchy? >> You can think that. Yeah. >> I do think it's a byproduct of the

Selenapatriarchy. Do I recognize that it could perhaps be an unique experience for men? Sure. I can recognize that. Okay. Mhm. >> But do I think it is the byproduct of the fact that we live in a patriarchal

Selenasociety? I I do think that. And do I think that it means that men are oppressed by women? No, I don't think that. >> That wasn't my position. >> Okay, I'm glad. That's not >> My position is not that men are

Brian Atlasoppressed by women. Uh I'm not really so interested in exploring the potential perpetrators of oppression. uh which I

Brian Atlasthink is a really nuanced topic that doesn't just relate to uh whether you have a vagina or a penis but has a lot more to do with uh probably has a lot

Brian Atlasmore to do with uh you know wealth differences, class differences uh and just like existing power structures less so to do with men because if we if we do

Brian Atlasmake it about men then we're getting into an apex fallacy. You're a so men are basically you know there's some difference 50% of the populace what percentage of men which I think in the

Brian AtlasUnited what is the population in the US like 300 400 million 350 380 million >> or something I don't know half that are men or whatever what percentage of men

Brian Atlashave really any say whatsoever like the average man has no more say in the system than does a woman also I I guess I would ask um for for

Natalie/Morenathose of you who said, "Well, who set that system up?" Do you think men deserve current disadvantages then? >> Say it again. Sorry. >> Well, you said, "Well, men set that system up." >> Well, because you were talking you were talking about like, "Okay, that's the question that you're facing as a draft, right?" So, I was like, "Let's set it

Brian Atlasup." >> Into the mic. Into the >> It was men, >> right? But so, do you think men deserve current disadvantages then? >> Current disadvantages, which are >> uh just the the draft. There's others, but just the draft. Do you think they

Brian Atlasdeserve it? >> Do men deserve it? Even if it is the case that men set the system up. >> Yes. >> Deserve the draft.

Brian Atlas>> Do they I'm trying to see do they deserve the draft and they set it up? >> Or any other way in which men may have it worse than women in society? Because

Brian Atlasmen have more power in society. Do the men who are negatively affected, do they deserve those current disadvantages? >> Do these damn. >> I mean, you can. >> It's like because [laughter] it's like

Natalie/Morenayou set it up, so it's like it's on you. Like, damn, you did it to yourself. >> But he did bring up. I don't think I don't think we [laughter] should say that. >> Wait, wait, hold on. That but but an 18-year-old an 18-year-old

Brian Atlas>> man, >> what did he do? Cuz I don't believe in collective. >> It's a system, right? It's the same. >> But these systems, these power structures and and these um hierarchies, >> but then okay, what did he do? Right?

Natalie/MorenaWhat did that 18-year-old that man, right? But then same thing with the women, what did she do? So, it's like, >> do they go deserve it? No. Right. >> I think the point is that it goes both ways. >> Or what if a 18-year-old man doesn't deserve it? 18-year-old woman

Brian Atlas>> I also wouldn't say 18-year-old man or woman. I would say teenager cuz >> I think it's astonishing how quickly concern for the vulnerable vanishes when the vulnerable happens to be male. I

Natalie/Morenafind that interesting. >> But why is it only vulnerable because it's a man? I'm saying if it's both. Like you say if it's it's vulnerable if it was a woman too. It's both. It's both. It's the system. >> You your position was men set the system

Brian Atlasup. >> Yeah. Thus, my interpretation of that, your argument would appear to be, >> well, it doesn't it's it's not as bad.

Brian Atlas>> It's not as bad. And we can kind of handwave it away. You know, any any problems that men could conceivably face, we can kind of hand >> I would say it was not as bad because

Natalie/Morenalike men are a little stronger than women. So like in the war sense, it's not as bad as a man fighting than a woman woman fighting. Well, that's a >> that's an opinion. Yeah, it is my opinion. I didn't like literally it's an

Essieopinion. >> I don't think that means that they necessarily deserve that. Even though their men set that system up, I think that >> the people who set up systems like that are also the ones that don't have to >> do it. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

Selena>> But I don't think any man deserves that. >> I'm honestly just like really intrigued about all of you guys' dating experience. Like I don't think it's fairly [laughter] one that had to share. >> That's not the case. I've been waiting to get around to for like a half an hour

Selenanow. >> Well, I just don't feel that I should be the only one to share, you know, I know. I really do want to hear other people, too. So, >> I'm happy. I'm happy to [laughter] uh try to move it on a little bit, but >> Well, I'm just curious about other

Brian Atlaspeople here as well. >> No, I agree. Um, I would just say men didn't set anything up as a monolith in response to uh your guys', well, what men set this what about men? They set

Brian Atlasthe system up. Um, most men, majority of men, 99.99% of men weren't sitting at the table when these systems were built. >> So, who was at the table? A bunch of old

Selinemen. Other [laughter] men >> women like still, but that's not the point. >> What then? What's the point? >> What's the point? Can you tell me the point? >> I feel that that will come with the full discussion.

Brian Atlas>> Girl, you >> Okay. Um, so >> yeah, this would just be an apex fallacy. And I would say it has more to do. >> So I'm asking you, who set that system up? Do you think that you should be

Erica (Married)punished for something that your great great great great grandma did just because you're a woman and you got a coochie? Like that doesn't make any freaking sense. >> I love [laughter] that word. No, I just love your >> Was this from saying cooing?

Erica (Married)So what? Now you are evading my question. I'm not evading anything. >> So who set the system up? >> People in >> men who were in power. who was in power. Sir, >> you're deflecting because women are still responsible for voting that system

Natalie/Morenain men drafted. >> I'm talking about the women are still responsible. At least half responses. >> It's a shared responsibility. We vote together. It's a democracy.

Selena>> Girl, you literally men and women. >> You literally think that a woman carrying a child is a privilege. Okay. So, >> it's an honor. >> I know where you stand. >> Go back to that. We're not going to go back to that. No, I'm just saying that I

Brian Atlasknow where you stand. >> You're deflecting. You really are. You can't even stay on the damn point. >> At least I'm talking. >> You're talking too much. Let somebody else talk, >> please. And thank you. >> Look, what you're doing is you're

Erica (Married)blaming the entire gender for decisions made by elites. >> I'm sorry. I'm talking too much. I don't think I should talk anymore. >> And you're not listening. Maybe you should do that. >> It's just lazy. It's a bit lazy thinking

Brian Atlaslike to just say to blame an entire gender for decisions made by like 0.00001 of that gender. Like when the the men

Brian Atlaswho were in power when they died, their power didn't like disseminate to 99.999% of men, it typically went down to it could be well it could be familial too.

Brian AtlasSo we had many queens throughout history. By the way, speaking of this, they actually did an analysis of comparing monarchs, uh, male monarchs to female mon monarchs. Queens were way

Brian Atlasmore likely to wage war than men. So, this idea that, well, you know, if we had women in charge, then there wouldn't be wars and it would be some peaceful utopia is actually ridiculous. It's

Brian Atlasactually ridiculous. So the I don't really see this the purpose of pointing the finger or placing blame on men for the ways in which whether it's men or

Brian Atlaswomen find themselves to be disadvantaged uh historically or even today. >> So who set the system up? Men. >> People in power. >> Men. >> People in power. >> Men in power. >> People in power.

Seline>> I mean it just happened to be men though. Like logically, if we think about it, if it was the other way around, >> I don't think it >> what would really make it different? >> I feel like it's human nature to fall into those same patterns.

Selena>> I mean, look, I'll just do you guys believe in inherited guilt? >> No. >> Yes. >> You believe in inherited guilt? >> So, if we're talking about >> somewhat >> there should Right. So, if we're talking about certain structures and systems

Selenathat were in place, >> like for example, >> to give an example, slavery, right? People make the argument, "Oh, well, we were not the slave owners, therefore

Selenaeverything is good now." But no, because that was a systematic system that was systematically inaced. A lot of those people continue to have effects and negative consequences from that system

Selenalike they like economically, educationally, etc., etc. So that is what I do believe in. >> Who inherits the guilt? I think there's there's two there's two

Selenaaspects at play here, right? So the victims they have they are extremely disadvantaged, right? They're disadvantaged economically,

Selenathey're disadvantaged financial, sorry, e economically, educationally, and they also carry a lot of the mental burden that comes with that. Right. So do you

Selenabelieve in epigenetics? >> You're talking like generational trauma. Yes. >> Well, you're you're kind of moving off the topic here. I'm asking about inherited guilt. >> So, they So, okay. Okay. So, so what I'm

Selenasaying is about the victims, they carry that with them. Okay. So, then when it comes to the people who were the oppressors, I do believe that there should be some

Selenaeffort to make reparations there because now th those are a class of people that have a lot more than their victims. I do believe that there should be a way for them to mend things over and try to make

Brian Atlasit right. >> When I reference inherited guilt, I'm talking about as it relates to the conversation we're having here as it relates to men. >> Men. Okay. >> So, do you think because men there was a

Brian Atlaspatriarchy, there is a patriarchy. Uh because men set the system up. That's your position. That's your position. Do you think men today who we would agree

Brian Atlashave had nothing to do with the setting up of these hund uh decades, centuries, millennia old uh systems? Do you think

Brian Atlasmen today, an 18-year-old boy who lives in Kentucky, do you think he has inherited guilt on behalf of other men? >> I think he reaps from the benefits.

Selena>> Does he have of those systems? >> Does he have inherited guilt? H I think he reaps the benefits and if if his sister >> Yes or no, does he have inherited guilt?

Brian Atlas>> It depends on the person. >> Let's let's um his greatgranddad was uh great great

Brian Atlasgreat granddad did have some political power. He was a senator back in the uh 1800s. And so that senator had, you know,

Selenawhatever had political power back then. Has he inherited guilt? >> I mean, I cannot objectively give you a statement for that.

Seline>> I can. Okay. Um, well, objectively, yeah, but if we're none of this is objective. We're talking subjectively

Selinehere most of the time. But I would say that to a degree as a man in regards to sexism, misogyny, whatever you want to

Selinecall it, the umbrella, you do have some inherited guilt. You should be chivalous. You should be respectful. You should be a decent human [ __ ] being,

Selinehonestly. But, um, I don't think that you should be dishing out thousands of dollar. Like there's this weird expectation that people have for men to

Selinego out of their way. And there are ways to just be what women want that don't include going out of your way. Just in everyday life, you can be casual about it, lol. Like,

Brian Atlas>> but I mean in terms of like [laughter] >> So, okay. Do men collectively >> No. >> have inh Well, not to you, but to you

Brian Atlasboth. Do I well yeah to you both I guess. Do men have inherited guilt collectively? [clears throat]

Brian Atlas>> Inherited guilt. >> So they feel guilty that they feel guilty. >> No, it's not that it's not that they necessarily feel guilty, but you think they're guilty.

Natalie/Morena>> I think they're guilty because they grandfather was a senator that made them do that. >> Or just all men set up the system. Yo.

Brian AtlasDo I think they're guilty? >> Yes. >> Do do men >> is it original sin? Are men guilty? >> Not the original sin.

Brian Atlas>> Are men guilty simply by virtue of their gender of something >> of setting that system up? >> I mean, that seems to be your position. Is it your position?

Natalie/Morena>> Yeah. >> Okay. So, I'm guilty of the patriarchy. >> This is your You guys made it. That has nothing to do with me. Y'all figure that out. Y'all did that to each other. So,

Brian Atlasif you feel oppressed because of the of the draft, because men did that, [ __ ] >> Okay. Um, but do you think like you can look

Brian Atlasto to men as a group? Mhm. >> Can you look to men as a group and lay blame [snorts] at their feet for >> for creating the system? >> Yes. Men, >> they created the system. Yeah.

Brian Atlas>> Well, especially like uh so this would obviously entail an inclusion of like newborn babies. >> So immediately upon birth, uh you know, there's even guilt inherited to the one-year-old child

Natalie/Morena[snorts] >> who's a boy. >> No, it's within the system. was that baby doing with the like are they going to get drafted? No. It's like once of age and then the system get they get

Natalie/Morenaplayed into the system and then they have to get played into the system. >> You guys did it. The men did it. You said that you feel oppressed because of that, right? >> But who oppressed you?

Brian Atlas>> That people who created the system. >> I don't know if you're fully understanding the question. I'll ask you. Do you think men collectively as a group inherit guilt? They reap the benefits of the patriarchy. Yes.

Selena>> Doesn't answer the question. [clears throat] >> I'm saying they reap the benefits of the patriarchy. And because of that because of that, right, they there is

Selenamore on them, right? That there is a little bit more of the blame on these men because they are reaping the benefits and they're not doing anything to not continue to uphold the

Selenapatriarchal system. So, if you're a man and you're benefiting from that system, right, and you're just sitting there like, "Well, I mean, I guess the system was designed for my for my ancestors, but I'm just going to sit here and reap

Selenaall the benefits and >> have >> and just, you know, not do anything about it, then yeah, I do think there should there should be a little bit of blame

Brian Atlas>> of of the ways that your father or your mother have treaded against people

Selenaare you to blame? >> So if my mother and my father were oppressing all of these people, >> they harmed somebody. >> Okay. Okay. I'm I'm answering.

Brian Atlas>> Are you I know >> or are you to be held responsible? >> I got it the first time you said it. >> Just clarifying. >> Um now again what I was saying before you

Brian Atlasinterrupted me. >> I'm just trying to Okay. Go ahead. >> Okay. Well, did you or did you not interrupt me, which you told me not to do to you? >> Well, hold on. As the host of the show, I do need a butt in a little bit just to >> I know, but I I was I was trying to say

Selenamy point. >> Okay. Well, then go ahead and then I'll ask the question again. >> Also, with like the amount you have me talking, I almost feel like I'm the host to be honest. >> That is whatever personal choice.

Selena>> It's not a personal choice. Are the questions Are the questions being directed at me? >> Okay. >> You were first in line and just never stopped. >> Okay. Yeah. Then tell the host to stop directing questions at me, girl. Open the disc. >> I think it's a conversation. She's she's

Selenanot talking and they're talking to each other. >> Well, then do you want to just You want me to just ask the question and move it on or >> No, no, no. I I I'll answer. I I was just I just felt a little bit interrupted. Kind of like hurt my feelings.

Brian Atlas>> Okay. [laughter] Go ahead. >> Sorry. Go ahead. >> Um, >> thank you for the apology. It means a lot. >> I mean, I'm I'm just trying to do just [laughter] I'm trying to keep it moving. Go ahead. Well, you're being like,

Seline>> "This is like the craziest meta conversation." Sticking by her guns. You have this craziest mention. >> I might as well have just hopped on PR chat. >> Go ahead. Just [laughter] go ahead. Just go ahead. >> What? >> No, just go ahead.

Selena>> Okay. So basically what I would like to say is if my parents are oppressing people, right? And I wake up and I inherit that. I'm just sitting there

Selenalike, "Oh, I have all the all the fruits of these oppressed people and they're still being oppressed and I'm not doing anything to change it." Then yeah, I would be at blame. I would be to blame. I if if my parents

Selena>> slaves are no longer present, >> who is talking about slaves? I look ultimately >> ultimately >> we're talking about my parents if they my parents do not own slaves

Brian Atlasobviously. >> Hold on. You guys you guys are just all over the place now. Um >> I'm I didn't >> I was responding to your point.

Brian Atlas>> Look, I I think believing in inherited guilt is just morally bankrupt. It's completely moral. >> That's not morally bankrupt. It's completely

Brian Atlas>> you benefit. You're benefiting from your the the the fruits of your ancestors. Hold on. Hold on. The son is not guilty for the crimes of the father. This is a moral principle that you see like it's a

Selenaprinciple in law. >> I do say that they're guilty. I'm saying if you're reaping the benefits, but you're not doing anything about it, then you then there is some guilt there. But if you are reaping from the benefits of

Brian Atlasthe patriarchy, but you don't >> you're not morally guilty for the crimes of your ancestors. >> Yes. I that that you're you're trying to bring two things that are not related and guilt. It's exactly what we're

Brian Atlastalking about. No, >> it relates to this idea that men set that system up. Yes. Yes. >> No. By definition. >> Yes. Selena. >> No. >> Um >> no. Whatever. [laughter]

Brian Atlasno leader of whatever. >> Okay. I mean, look, ultimately I I think it's morally abhorent to hold [clears throat] >> somebody. >> But that's not what I'm saying. >> Okay.

Selena>> What I'm saying is >> if you're reaping the benefits >> Mhm. >> Mhm. >> And instead of being like acknowledging the wrong that your forefathers did,

Selenaright, instead of acknowledging like, damn, that was [ __ ] up. Okay. and then trying to do something to remedy it or change it, then you are guilty. Are you

Selenaguilty because your ancestors did that? No. But you're guilty because you're doing nothing to change it. You're just

Selenaupholding the quote. I'm not Thank you. Um, what I'm not saying is, oh, just because your grandparents are terrible people that you're a terrible person.

SelenaI'm not saying that. So, I you know what? I can say that I I disagree. I disagree that inherited guilt should be a thing, right? But what I am saying is if you put into that position and you're

Brian Atlasnot doing anything to remedy it, that is when it becomes a problem. >> Um >> I mean people I think people have personal agency. I don't think you're responsible for the crimes committed by your relatives, your

Seline>> Yeah, I never said that. I said >> Well, you did. That's why I can't understand why you can't just agree with him on that aspect and then elaborate your point and add on to that. Why can't you agree where you agree and disagree where you disagree?

SPEAKER_00>> Did I not just do that? >> No. >> One second. >> George donated $200. >> Sorry for the delay, George. Sorry. >> One, women did a great duty during World

SPEAKER_00War II in helping the war effort, but what are they doing now? Are they doing essential infrastructure work now to keep modern society running?

Brian Atlas>> Yes. Um, >> look, I think he's he's alluding back to my question of uh in order for men to be able to vote, men do have a duty.

Brian Atlas>> Women have no corresponding duty. That would put women at least within that paradigm uh in that regard as privileged. >> Okay? In order for a man to have a right, he has to do something extra.

Selena>> Women just you just get that [ __ ] for free. >> Okay, but did you not hear what my what my point was? Now you're evading my points. >> What was your point? >> So for this what

Selena>> what was your point? >> Sorry. Um Okay. So what I said is if you are benefiting from something that harmed people and then you wake up and you have those benefits there

Selenaand you are not doing anything to change it, does that make you guilty? Yes. >> Are you talking about the draft or >> No, I'm just talking about in general.

Seline>> I I get what she means. She's talking socially like if you're if you're a man and you know what your ancestors did and you're actively being an [ __ ] in your day-to-day life then that's [ __ ] up

SPEAKER_00message from the government of Canada. >> Pasty George donated [clears throat] $2004. >> Chair one, what do you think about illegal immigrants who be detained and

SPEAKER_00then deported back to their own countries? Also, chair 8 is based. >> This is actually a great question. Thank you. Now, what do I think about this?

Selena[snorts] I think it's wrong and I think it's [ __ ] up. What do you think? Um,

Brian Atlaswhat do I think about uh so I mean as it relates to illegal immigration, I don't think people should illegally come here. >> Girl, you need to chill. You need to

Brian Atlaschill. [laughter] >> Wait, who? She's good. Just like freaking out over everything, >> dude. >> Um, yeah. I mean, I I would say we have we have laws in this country as it

Brian Atlasrelates to immigration. There is a pathway to uh immigrate here legally. Uh if you're here illegally, it's it's within the purview of the of law

Brian Atlasenforcement and the United States government to expel people who are here illegally. Much like if I went to Japan and I was like, "Japan's [ __ ] dope. I'm just gonna stay here." If I didn't

Brian Atlasgo through the process that Japan has outlined to moving to Japan, they can deport me. I don't see anything wrong with [ __ ] uh Japan doing that. And I don't see anything wrong with I don't

Brian Atlassee anything wrong with any nation doing that. Don't see it wrong here in the United States. >> Okay. So, here's the problem with that, right? >> Sure. Tell me the problem. people [clears throat] immigrated here. A lot

Selenaof people who they call quote unquote illegals, which I don't believe in that. >> Why? Why would it be quote unquote illegal? >> Because no one is illegal on stolen land, first of all, right? >> Oh, boy. >> What do you mean? >> She's doing the finger snapping, by the

Selenaway. >> Yeah, because like that it's like common sense. >> Well, um, stolen land, >> right? So, >> yeah, >> we came and we stole it from the Native Americans. >> Which tribe? There were many tribes here.

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